Good Will Hunting with Ayo Edebiri

Absolutely cannot end up kind of doing a Newsies kind of think every time I try to do it. But you know, I think that fits with this episode because like there's maybe one person doing about an accent that makes any sense in this movie. I this is the Bechtel Cast. Yeah, what what is the Bedel Cast? Hey kid, what's the fucking Bechdel Cast? Fucking tell you? Is where to broads? Talk about broads? Inflicts? Brods in a flick? Gotta talk about something that's not a dude. You want

to know what the fucking you want to know? The Bechtel Cast, this broad Betel, this fucking the fucking rules women in their rules, right right. Okay, so here's what happens. Then you gotta have two broads that have names, and they gotta talk to each other, because when they won't stop talking, talk to each other about something other than their fucking husband sounds stupid. So I fucking hate it. Anyway, this is my favorite. This is my favorite episode. It's

gonna be the most annoying one. I decided today, this could be the this could be the worst one. Oh wait, let's do an example of how something might pass the Bectel test. Just like a boy I can't from Hello, you sound like that lady on SpongeBob Jamie. This is us passing the Bechtel test. Um do you like apples? Yeah? Yeah, how do you like the apples? Oh? My god? That it was an incoherent as like who oscar winning writers? I feel as I feel absolutely sick thinking about I'm

so excited for this episode. Yes, anyway, so hopefully you know what the podcast. Yeah, we talk about the representation of women in movies and today's movie. Okay, oh boy, motherfucking after no one has requested this movie. Literally ever, you didn't ask for it. Here it is, this is our episode on Google hunting. That's right, and to join us in our discussion. We've got a very funny stand up comic and writer from Boston, and she's from Boston.

Iowa debris what it does pleasure? Yeah, my friends. So yeah, we're fucking wearing Boston from from dot Rat from Georchester. Yeah, that real shit. I'm third generation brockton Ian. Yeah, everyone's, everyone's We're still out there in Brockton. We're on the south side near Westbridge, witer. We don't like Westrata. They suck. Go to Easton a little bit to the east. They got they got a lot, they got too much heroin there. They don't go there. To Brockton is not good the best.

It doesn't have the best reputation. But they say it in the depoded once they do, and we do not let people forget it. It's also in What Maybe Gone, Yeah, which I watched the other night because I'm sick, and that is a very strange way to be home set. Yeah. No, it's also it's like not representative of anything I've ever experienced. Really, most movies about the area we're from do not represent

anything I've ever seen happen. Yeah, and this I feel like this is maybe the most famous one right, Like it's like can to the national stage. It's huge. I didn't realize that. I mean that was like one of those places where like surely they have to have these everywhere everywhere. Yeah, I mean even though their food, yeah, sure, their food tastes like fucking chemicals. I don't care. It's

made to be in hospitals. I feel like, you know, I mean like it's made to be like when you're like grieving, like the fact that like you're closest family member is probably gonna pass away in a few days, and your best mealmen. No, but it's like you gotta go down, you know, to the hospital lobby. You take a rite and there's the aubon pan next to the flowers. Yeah, I like to I like to get a huge ladle of broccoli jetta soup. Wow, and yeah, just like pour

it down my throat. Yeah, I think that's never they old lukewarm clam chowder. Get a nice funnel film, film the film. I put the film on my face like a face mask. Then like get a nice funnel right down the gullet, poured the soup down, and I'm sucking healthy and I'm sucking alive and I lived to tell the So there's alban representation. We got pizza, coffee, and of course we got dunks. So much Dunkin Donuts pizza from Boston. I don't even think so, I don't know.

There's just a pizza that's like that was in Harvard Square, right, that was the only one I was ever familiar with. In bronckto Massachusetts. In at least the year I graduated high school, there there were over fifty Duncan Donuts, which is uh a lot. I mean, it's a pretty big city. It's there's like like a hundred two people who live there, but there's no need for fifty Duncan Dnuts. But none of them are ever going to go out of business.

I mean there's truly, I think, like in Dorchester, every three blocks there's a Duncan Donuts, like you cannot, like truly, it's illegal to be driving for more than ten minutes and not have a dunkin Donuts in a ten minute circle radius. I had my first ten is like exhausting to think of driving too, it is, yeah, I mean I and there's fortunately one around here, thank god. That was I do whenever I get homesick, because I got my mom gave me the sex talk in the parking

lot of a Dunking Donuts. And then she also interrogated my first boyfriend after he broke up with me in a Duncan donut dunk Donuts. Yeah, so you know, a lot of a lot of milestones. There's history there, yes, texture, there's layers. So google Hunting movie that was nominated and one oscars what is your history? What this movie? Well, I we we texted a little about what movie to pick because I was I was having me. I was spoiled for choice in so many ways. Uh movies, there's

a lot of them, you know what. And then I just thought it would be really funny if we did this, um, not realizing after that there is one woman character. I guess I just forgot that part. Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like it was always on like TBS or something like. I just feel like it was like always on and around. But I feel like, I really that's it, that's that

on that I feel like like when I got to college. Weirdly, it was something that I would watch when I was homesick, even though none of it was real, like none of it was real or true to my life or my experiences or the people that I knew or cared about, or like the neighborhoods that I was in, but which is crazy because you grew up very close to where everything is pretty Yeah, for sure they're from Southie though,

but there are like neighborhoods I obviously recognize. But also Bassett is very like um racist trying to find the right terminal. But it's like Geograph, It's like it's like very split up. And so it's like, I think, not, you're not really going to go into neighborhoods where it's like it's not people who look like you are people who are your friends. So I was never really like hanging out and like Southy or like Westy which is West Rock Spurry or like you know or like certain

like all Stin or whatever. Like I wasn't really like hanging out there but trying to get shot on by my by school graduating class. They're listening to this podcast, but yeah, I don't know, but like really it's something that I just like watched a lot when I like, it just gets chilly and I want to see fall leaves, you know, sort of like drifting in the comment or whatever. Yeah, mine was Mine is kind of similar. Like I just think I don't remember the first time I've seen it.

I've definitely seen it a bunch. I've seen it in chunks a bunch. I've definitely started it and not finished it a bunch hundreds of times. Yeah, like I forgot about the I forgot many drivers in this movie. Yes, I constantly mixed up her and Andy McDowell, which is sort of like my own personal journey that I need to be working on in terms of like how I support white women, but I would like always mix them up, and only like very recently, like way too recently, did

I realize like, oh, these are very different women. There's almost no overlap. I mean they look quite so I was trying to shame and they're both like like like fake demure. But yeah, I'd seen this movie a bunch.

It's like I feel like it is kind of like there was a lot of people's introduction to Boston has an idea, uh, and then there's so many and it's like this, there are so many movies that you can see like kind of pull direct influence of like oh, we're just never going to set a movie that isn't at Harvard or in Southey. Yes, and that's pretty much been the case to this day because you've got your little social network first twenty minutes. Uh, and then you've

got the town, the depoted, you got SATs smell most recently. Yeah, and then there's I mean, everything that happens in Boston happens in exactly two neighborhoods. Yeah, and that's it. Well, that's also like very much like my experience as a black person from Boston when I leave and people are like, ah, you got the fucking accent, you know, And I'm like, well no, but nobody talks like that. Actually, it's like

it's fully a dying accent. It is, and the only people who talk like that are people like young people don't even really talk like that, even if you're like from Southie, unless unless you're like a little bit more I think, like Western Mass my mom, I'm from Southern mass and my mom has a very thick accent. But there's I feel like most people our age or it definitely in Barkton, we would actively untrained in ourselves from having it entirely because I was by then I don't know.

Maybe this is partially because of like good will hunting and that like ripple effect, but like I remember being aware pretty young that it was an embarrassing way talk. Yes, yes, yes, it's like fully like seeing socially by society is a very ugly accent and it's not wrong. That's yet I find it comforting to hear like hints of it in people's voices sometimes. But yeah, I was like I feel like by like second grade, even like I remember hearing my mom like talk out loud to another parent and

being like, yeah, we can't. I can't be that. That can't be my life. Caitlyn. Once your history with this movie my history I saw so it came out in ninety Okay, I saw it probably for the first time in high school, so I'm guessing like two thousand three, And then I did not watch it again because I did not like it the first time, and I was like, this is not my type of movie A powerful all to say, I mean, brave, brave. Why isn't it your type of movie? You know, I like a good romp

and this simply is not a wrong. This isn't what are you talking about? This is one of the rompiest films. How is this a wrong? Math is a wrong? And he's m he's romping between his academic life, man, his personal life. Boys boys, boys, Um, it's a romp of the soul, spiritual romp romp. It's like there's like rompy parts. There are parts of it that are rompy. I think, I think there's even talks I do like that that's

a wrong scene, but that I wrote down. I was like, could be cut movie would be no difference, but we like that. It was like it was trying to say something political its but it means nothing. There's so much like a Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, who if you didn't know, wrote this movie. There's so much like college freshman like grandstanding, so many monologues and like I was, I got exhausted, but then I found a second win. It gives you a second win. That's what it does.

It really does. It's crazy. It's like it's not with a three X structure, but like a seven. There's maybe ten X in this movie. Some of the acts have nothing to do with most of the movie. No, not at all, and they and they won't like why why is there a scene where Ben Affleck and Casey Affleck talk about jerking off into a baseball glove for like five minutes. It's funny. Does that help you know? Because

it's funny, well should be allowed to talk about. So actually, this is what I'm here, Actually why I'm on your podcast. I'm a sleeper agent for the Meninist movement UM and boys should be able to be boys and talk about drinking off and have fun to locker room top. You didn't lock a room there. I this is I think my favorite math movie. The math substitutes would show include this was a pretty good movie to turn on during a math substitute stand and deliver. I would say, is

math movies A Beautiful Mind? Hatiful Mind? Can suck it. My mom loved the movie A Beautiful Mind and replay it on. Like in our kitchen, we had the like tiny TV that had the HS. Yeah, the kitchen TV that we decided as like a global community or maybe just as the nation that we would have that be a kitchen TV. But it ours was way up on the top shelf because it was like, well, then when you're cooking or when you're sitting you can watch it,

so that made sense. But it was impossible to change the tapes, like because it was so high up and me and my mom were both very very small. Imagine I'm even smaller because I'm a child, if you can fully imagine it. So I would like have to climb up on the table and then like hook myself onto the shelf and then sort of like myself and then I would come back down, and then I would like go back up and grab it out and then go

back out and pull it in. It's crazy. No one took me, but Beautiful Mind got stuck up there for months, months because I was like, I'm tired of like risking my life to change different out of the Yes, Cinderella's story was in there for a hot sect too. That's I mean, prefer that to a beautiful prom that movie. I actually think I've seen that movie over a hundred times.

We've been That's been requested a lot. Really, Yeah, that was one of the ones that I was like, yeah, back and forth between every movie that got stuck in the kitchen. Honestly, Yes, just like what trauma can I work through on a podcast? Please? And today it's Boston, it's good Will hunting. Should I do the cap? Yeah? Sure. Yeah, all this movie is two hours long and it does feel so Yeah, it's crazy that shipp enup to Boston.

Is it fully in this movie? I know it's in it's in The Departed, but I wish it was in every Boston movie it has. This movie had less of an aggressive soundtrack. It has the most gentle soundtrack. In addition to putting a bon pant on the map, but elliot freaking on the map every time Mini Driver is on screen. This plane, it's like the insane. It's like a connection. It's it's it's illegal. I I don't know

what I expect. I mean, I expected it to be like a very like Boston yeah soundtrack, but no, it's it's very it's opposite like this like quiet depressed man from like Portland is like strumming. And they're like, yeah, this sounds good. Um okay, here's the story of good will hunting, which sounds to me like goodwill hunting. Good will hunting. Anyway, So we're in Boston. There's there's an m I T. Professor named Gerald Lambeau. That's Stelen's scar scard.

He puts this advanced equation on the chalkboard in the halls of m I T hoping that one of the students will solve it. At the end of this is not at all distracting Pirts of the Caribbean and I and unfortunately I can neither confirmed nor deny that. So okay, So he has this equation on the on the on the board. He's hoping one of the students will solve it. By the end of the semester, we meet Will Hunting. That's Matt Damon's character. He's a janitor and m I T.

And he sees the equation. He ponders it a bit, and then he solves it. I think within the span of a couple hours. This is like the most dangerous like just that every like hot, irrationally angry guys also secretly a genius, like I understand why this movie made so much money, and also being hot is justification and a genius is justification for being like unwell, yeah, addict to everyone around him. Yes, So he solves it. The professor and the students are like, oh my god, who

solved this? We don't know. Meanwhile, we know we know who it is. Meanwhile, Will and his loser friends, who played by Benefleck Casey Affleck and then some other dude who I don't know if he even talks at all. Somebody. They are hanging out, they're they're disrespecting women, they're getting in fights, and then Will gets arrested for starting a fight with someone who used to beat him up in kindergarten. Kindergotten that guy used to beat me, having kid guy,

And then yeah, he's mad. He's met the faculty at m I t puts another theorem on the board, and then two professors catch Will solving this one too, but he like runs away and he's like fuck you because they're like, hey, you stupid janitor, get off the board, quick,

quick graffiti ing our math homework. There's where I have to suspend my disbelief because I'm like, if, like, if there was a sexy janitor wandering the halls of a college, people would be noticing him, that would be wanting to know, or it was a vall cell before we've been I'm like, I feel like someone would have been like, who is sexy janitor? Sure? I think it was pre internet. Yeah

that's true. Yeah this movie was made. Well have gotten hired, and then he would have gone viral being hot and he would have gone on to Ellen show, and then Ellen would have been like, I got your money, and he would have been like, oh money, and then quickly done an equation and Ellen would have been like, wait a minute, are you get a math? And that's how this movie right? And then he looked like over a year later, I think it's a season two of American Vandal.

There's like a hot janitor and everyone talks about like everyone at the school knows about hot janitor. So yeah that, yeah, this is this is pre done. Is their movie ideas busted? Now that sucks? Okay, I hope you feel good about that. Killed the pitch Okay, so sorry, Okay. So then Will and his friends go to this Harvard ba and then what they say and never heard that in my life.

I don't know what that means. Will basically has a dick measuring contest, but like with his brain with this Harvard boy with her, Yeah, it's a knowledge measuring contest. It impresses Skyler, that's many driver, so much that she gives Will Hunting her number. I Will say, Skyler has a friend that's a woman, yes, but who is where does she go? And what is her name? And does she say anything. So he has his hearing from when he got arrested a few days previous, and Professor Lambeau,

who's quoting books, he's quoting books, he's defending himself. He's like, I don't books, you know. My boys in the court a lot. And so Professor Lambeau, who has figured out who Will is at this point, convinces the judge to let Will go on two conditions. One that Will meets with this professor wants a week to do math stuff, and two that Will see a therapist. Right. Love that. So they go to trying to find a therapist who's gonna work for Will hunting. But he's not taking it serious. Joke, yes,

the montage that's too long. Yeah. So then Professor Lambeau recruits his old old college roommate Sean McGuire, that is Robin Williams, who does not know what accent he's supposed to be doing. He is lost. He's supposed to be from South Yeah, he's supposed to have the same which I like Robin will he was a great actor. I don't very Yeah, don't jump into my mentions about like, oh, dare you dump on a dead man? I'm like I

do that every day. But there, but like it's so weird to be that, Like, why didn't he just try to do the accent that Matt Davie was doing. They're supposed to be from the same exacut I'll say, I'll say this, not all dialect coaches are made equal. So we don't know what went beyond the scenes. I mean he does some great Shakespearean lengthy manolone. Yeah, very good soliloquies. His his wife she is dead, His wife, she is dead. Yes, we know we learned this over and and guess what

we have a question about. This is life done. But here's the thing. But it was all worth it, and he loved her. That's so true, Like it was worth it. It was all worth it. I love how that is a central question of his Like do you think it was worth getting married if your wife died of cancer? Do you regret marrying her? True? Like, oh, like you can be a grown man and have the emotional maturity of the bag of like tostitos as we see goodwill

Hunting have. So he's going to send the title. So he's so good, So Sean McGuire is He's not like the other therapist. It's not like the upper therapist. He assaults his clients during the violence, and he grabs him by the neck. And we can just sort of like put a pen in violence in this movie because it's

one that needs to be pinned. It is everywhere. Yes, and he's like, you know what, Will, You think you're so smart because you read a couple of books, but you're just a cute doesn't know anything about love or how to fuck goods. So you need to open up your feelings. So now the ball's and Will's court. You know, his approach is all over the place. It involves violence, it involves verbal harassment. Yeah, yeah, it involves off hours meetings,

going to the park, close into my friendships. Well, if you're a good therapist, then it won't work a bad therapist, I think we all learned. Yeah, that's important. Um So then Will goes out with Skyler finally, and then he also keeps going to Robin Williams's character for therapy and he refuses to talk at first. Will does and so progress is slow, but he starts to get through. He's

starting to make some breakthroughs. He's starting to get some job offers because he's doing all this math and he's really good trying to get him a job, yeah, kind of trying to like steal his shine a little bit. He's got that weird mentor really issuer ship where he's like, I'm helping you, but I also want to be You're Yeah, a good stealing performance and then things start to fall

apart where he gets in a fight with Skyler. He tells her he doesn't love her because he's afraid of love and he's afraid of feeling still, and then she moves to California for med school. Will and Professor Lambeau getting a fight because Will doesn't really care about all this math stuff and having a job and everything like that, and you know, Lambeau thinks he's throwing his life away. Ben Affleck is like, dude, get your ship together. That's a good speech one where he's like, you gotta get

out of here. He's like, my favorite part of the day is is that when I think you might not be home, because you know, it's like literally beautiful. You're laughing, but it's beautiful and it comes back at the end, and it is a good actor. He's a damage math. He is a good actor. He's canceled, right, He's been really creepy with a bunch of like I can't get interviewers and stuff. Okay, I don't. I don't know. I thought that Matt Damon, like there is some weird ship

with you. I don't, I don't, I think, I mean everything. It seems like everyone in this movie is canceled of the of the Boston bro friends. I mean especially I know, I know the story Yams, there's there's there's definitely some history that's not very good. Okay, yes, indeed for for both of them, they're for everyone, for literally everyone except Robert Williams. We hope we that we know I write. No one is saving anyway. So so Will's fighting with everyone.

He and Robin Williams getting a fight because you know, Will Hunting is being a dick as per usual. But then Robin Williams is like, Will, you you're intimacy issues, you're abandonment, she is, it's not your fault. And then Well cries and he realizes that it's okay to have feelings. Sometimes it's okay to not be okay. Sometimes when you cry, it's actually awesome. It's actually a good thing. This is this is like Will hunting a part of the movie that I like where it kind of veers into that

like rare dad tear jerk or genre. I like Dad's Ee that movie. They're like, yeah, I like crying. I think Dad's for men to cry. I was joking earlier, but now I'm serious. I really am here for the men in this cause I believe that men should be able to have movies for them that are like this because they don't. I don't disagree, I do like I mean, I'm just like, man, this is sort of a story of a man learning to understand and like be able to talk to other men about it. I think that's nice.

You did you sort of? I mean, the movie is horribly paced anyway, and so the end really just sort of does come at you like a freaking whirlwinds. But unlessen I don't want to, I don't want to cut your recap off. Go for it. We missed the well maybe we'll get into what we talk about mini. But when they start fighting, oh yeah, we'll talk all about that. Okay, don't you worry. So Wills like, oh my god, I it's okay to have feelings. Then he gets a job so that he can get his life on track. But

then he writes a nut. Then he writes a nut to Robin Williams, and he's like, screw the job, I gotta go see about a girl, which is the thing that Robin Williams said to him about him a baseball game. And then he dropped and Will drives to California to be with Skylar because she has moved there for med school. That's the end in the movie. We got to take a quick break and then we'll come back to discuss. Hey, welcome back. Hey, we're back. We're back. My exit gets

worse than worse every time. Back on the back. I hope that I can be discovered as like a comedian or screenwriter, the way that Will is discovered as a math genius in this movie, where it's just like I'm writing a joke on a chalkboard and then someone walks up and they're like, oh my fucking god, this is the greatest joke I've ever seen, and then you run away like you and then they find me and I'm like, okay, fine, I'll be a comedian. Those are my hopes and dreams.

Um so good Will hunting, Yes, listen the movie says he's good. He's good. He is. The movie says he's good. The movie says, so, Matt Damon and Matt Affleck both. I'm so that was really disrespectful. Literally, that was a ra They won an Oscar for writing. They did. Robert Williams won an Oscar for acting. He deserved it. There. I like he did, he did, he did, and that his monologues are great. He's so good. His dialect coach

should be he's doing the correct accent. I would say about thirty percent of the time when he gets that thirty when he gets it right. Um. Something that I do want to say about them winning the writing Oscar is that they are the youngest Oscar winners for writing. However, I think a lot of people don't know this. The movie was like heavily ghost written, Like they wrote a draft and it was horrible and they're taking it around and then a much more experienced screenwriter who refuses to

take credit. They went, wait just because it's embarrassing or I don't know why he won't take credit. I think because he was like, um, I think it's William Goldman. He wrote Butch Cassidy and the sec Kid and Princess Bride. Yeah, and he was like their script doctor, and basically he there's like a thing where some somebody was like or like I guess like reportedly once was like, I wasn't a script doctor. I rewrote the entire thing from scratch,

and then people were like, is that for real? And he was like, uh no, I don't want to talk about it. So I don't know why, like what it was about it, but basically he fixed the script and then made it active. I mean, I feel like that happens quite a bit in Hollywood, where like there's just a million people. Yeah, I mean yeah, but there's like and the only the reason I'm inclined to believe that because I don't want to negar boys or don't we don't want to negar boys that may or may not

be canceled, I forget. Honestly, the reason I'm inclined to believe that someone else wrote this movie basically is because neither of them really go on to ever write anything

ever again. Yeah, so you would think if they were good writers that I think Rob Reiner was like originally attached to direct it or something, or he knew them and like the script and so he's the reason why William Goldman was like, I'll take a look at this, so it really I don't also know like where they were in their careers where it was just like everybody thought that they were awesome. They had both done a couple things, but I think this movie really jump started

them as like movie stars. This was like post Chasing Amy though, right, yeah, but those were pretty you know. That's like when it's like he's getting but he's like getting buzz and it's probably like he's like he's schmuzen. He's at these Hollywood parties, he's pool side, he's kicking it, he's meeting people, and he's like, I'm just a guy from Boston and everybody's like, that's what we do every weekend. Every weekend. I'm still at the pool side waiting for

Rob Ryder to show up. Hasn't been there in years, but I'm there case he's gonna get a little hot. I'm going to do a movie. It's called Good I Hunting and it's about me and I'm a perverted, abusive cook. Yeah I see, I mean Harvard and guess what I can read. But one thinks I can read and it's good you're good because it says because it's in the title um. And also it kind of sounds like maybe it could mean something or be a sentence, but it's not.

It's just my name. Surprise. I really thought this movie was about like hunting for goodwill, like the like the goodwill and people, and I did not realize that Will hunting is the name of the character. And do you get that it's such a clever turn of work. You

should read the screenplay I wrote. It's about um World War two, and the main character's name is Shoot Gun And it's really sort of subversive um in the way that you wouldn't expect because because you hear the name shoot and you're like, oh, Shoot, I know tons of guys name Shoot and also tons of people with the last name Gun. But then you look at the movie overall and it's like, wait a minute, Oh, what's happening. We are shooting? Thank you? And oh my god, sorry

that's a little advanced. It's a little bit of screening training. But then that's really the twist at the end of the movie. Yeah, is that actually the gun shoots itself. It's really good and it's coming out. It's a comment it's something. Yeah, it's so good at Bill hunting. Oh that wasn't directly connected to that weird or that your transition. I'm so sorry your choice. So what So let's talk about the one woman character in the movie who is alive the point of the podcast. Yeah. Yeah, so we've

got we've got Skyla. We've got Skyla to have it. She's British. Yeah, we love that. We know that she is, like, I think, a fourth year undergrad Harvard student. She's she's a woman instant about to she's hot. That's important. It's so rare for women, a woman in a movie who is hot, It's right, never heard of it. So she she's she meets sexy Janda. Yeah. I like how that that whole scene is. Ben Affleck's character goes up to hit on mini driver and her friend, and then the

smart guy, like the Harvard guy, comes over. Has a ponytail. Yea, he fully has adult blondmaile adult don't trust him and don't trust him, do not trust him, flesh color hair is scary, but he so, so he comes over and then it turns into this where I think it's supposed to be this weird class war that's going on where they're like, oh, so fucking poor guy can't just go and harass women at the BA. But but smart guys kid And then it was like no, no, no again,

but that's not that. This is America. Poor guys should be able to hit on a fucking woman, and so should smart guy. If I want to fucking harass a woman in the fucking street, whether I'm poor or rich, I should be able to do it. This is what afula fathers died. And then like, none of don't ask her what she wants to say. Had a dream that one day, regardless of color or cream, any man could harass a woman if he wanted to. No, no, no, I don't want to hear what you have to say

about because I got it. Do you want to take this outside? So here's what drove me crazy about this scene. So he's, you know, he will is like quoting books. He's like, you know, flexing his his knowledge brain and think your brain. Of all the people who are around Skyler in this moment, she is impressed by goodwill hunting. She's also not speaking from right. Women don't have I

never talked. Actually, Sys actually has a podcast, so she gets her time and what she needs to and then she goes over to him forty five minutes later, and she's like, you're an idiot. I was waiting for forty five minutes for you to come talk to me, because you know, when you're hot and you go to Harvard and you're beautiful at your pre bed and you wait outside bars for almost an hour to talk to an evil man and he has no less than forty holes

in his shirt in this scene. Yeah, we know that he has other clothes that don't have holes in them, Like why did he why? Anyway this? I mean, women are conditioned to like wait passively for a man to pursue them, especially in you know, like she does eventually go up to him. It's crazy than me that she's like waiting there for forty five minutes for him to

talk to her. I think that that's just as like, oh, this screenplay was written by a bunch of dudes, and that's like not that's since they're like, oh, that's women to think of this all the time. When I'm at the butt, they're just sitting there being like I wish and then I just you know, I didn't think she was hot, so I didn't go out there, you know,

it's just like that's just like stupid writing. Yeah. Um, So then she approaches him, So I guess it's like good that we don't see a guy like aggressively wearing her down. That comes later. That's only when they're in does he start to become abusive, because she does. She does initiate a lot of stuff in the early half of their relationship. She like suggests the first kiss, I thought their date was really cute. I didn't hate it.

I liked like the beginning of their relationship. I thought it was very she she tells a great jokes, that weird joke about a mouthful come. Yeah, I really, I mean it's weird. I thought the relationship was very cute at the beginning. It was nice, and I like I like her character too, Like I think she seems more well rounded than a lot of like romantic interest women in movies, especially at this time. She doesn't do like she doesn't drop everything the second she meets it, Like

you know, she's like she's still doing her whatever. It's senior year. Yeah, she's having fun. She did her work. She still want to do her work, but she wants to have fun with a cute janitor. Yeah, we've all been there. We've all been there, We've all wanted to funk a hot janitor. And if you think you haven't, check again. You just didn't know that he was a custodian. I'm willing to spread that rumor about Boston. It's like it's a read a passage that you're gonna suck a janitor.

He's going to be a genius. He's going to be emotionally abusive to you. I cannot watch any more movies about like a tortured white man who's also a genius. Yeah, he has to be redeem Metrograph, New York City. You know what's up on on a seven day marathon of movies where white men are tortured geniuses and it's okay because they're smart. Uh. And then as it pertains to her character, Will starts to talk about her in therapy

and he's like, she's beautiful, she's fun, she's intelligent. Like so he, you know, values her for things beyond her her beauty. Yeah. But then the like subtext of him saying that that, I was like, oh man, but it is in the world of this movie. I'm like yeah, of course they would say that. But he's sort of like, I feel like part of what you're saying. There's like she's got this British accent, and all the women around

me sound fucking girls. And well he does say like she's different from all the most of the girls I've been with, which is like, she's not like the other girls. She's the salthy girls are made out to be like dumb, like late ninety like it's just like total there's some like yeah, there's a lot of like weird like classist, like if you're like working class or from a particular neighborhood,

you're automatically like a fucking idiot. And then if yeah, but um so, then he says to Robin Williams, He's like, oh, I don't know if I'm going to go out with her again, because like, what if I realized she's not that smart and she's fucking boring. And this is him like not processing his feelings, which like he learns to do later, sort of what if she's like actually a

little actually not that cute? What about that? And then this is when things fall apart in their relationship for me, when he starts to do her homework for her, so that like she has time to hang out with him. She's like, I got to learn this stuff, Like you can do my homework for me, Like it's a red flag. You're right, yeah, I mean I would accept that if I was dating a math okay to be fair, senior in high school, dated a guy who was really good at math, and I did let him do my homework

once or twice. Oh my god, she's canceled. But her thing is like she keeps being like, I need to learn this. I'm going to medical school. I need to know how to do this stuff. I was going to dog school, dog University. Yeah, it's incredible. But he keeps like, you know, exerting his fucking brains power over her. And then and then it's the whole thing where she's like, moved to California with me, I love you, and he's like, well, I don't love you, and it's just because he doesn't

know how to do his feelings yet. That so yeah, the context said that is that he had lied to her. He said he had twelve brothers and he had like Mikey, Tommy, Baby, Joli, Rabbie, Brian, Johnny, Mickey, Terry, Jimmy Johny. I did like that they I think that they left that shot on Matt Damon so he would have to say it twice in a row, and he did. He earned that nomination. He didn't learn, he said, Mike.

But uh so she finds out that he had lied about that, that he was in the foster system for a long time, had an abusive father in the foster system. We also learned the first thing we know about Mini Driver in a long time in this because in most scenes of them together, she's like so weird, like what is your deal? Like what is he doing? Like you so good at math, but like what are you? You know?

And he never was hunting for and he never asked her about herself, so we don't find out really anything about other than like where she goes to school, and like we know a fair amount. But we find out and I think we don't learn about this before. But in that scene where the fight, she's like, well, my like the only reason that we find out she's rich,

which we didn't technically know. We could have guessed, but what we find out and he's like, oh, you're gonna go with all the other fucking trust fund kids, which I've yelled at someone before and then they but then she's like, well, the only reason I have so much money is because my father passed away when I was thirteen, and he was like, whoa where did he not know that? He's never asked her anything about herself. Holding her up, he shoves her against a wall and then like slams

his hands around next to her. Very scary it is. Yeah, she's she's me and drivers really good in that scene though, She's like she's so scared and heartbroken and crying, and I was like, oh, I kind of liked that scene. Not dating in real life, Oh you love when women get hurt. Okay, yeah, breaking news on the best Jesus lord, I'm taking over. I'm bringing movies for boys. Or they're kind to each other, um no, but it's really scared.

But also they were dating in real life at the time of like making the movie and then doing press, and then they broke up. Interesting, so you know that's they'll make for some good act not that chemistry. And then the way their relationship and the movie basically ends is that he gives up everything that he's been working towards, basically to move across the country to be with her. Without telling her or calling her, he just drives straight

to California. Also has barely apologized to her for how horrible he was. Has not he has he plans on showing up, yeah, which is like now textbook, do not do scary no, no more, just showing up please. But there there's like yeah, he tries to call her and then he gets he's like chicken ship and hangs up and then just decides he's going to uproot his entire life and come to her. And then she's like, I'm about to leave. I love you, and he's like, okay,

take care. But like, but it's good because Ben Affleck is happy. Right. That is such a weird and that's how movie is good. Yeah. So actually if Ben haff like smile at the end or like it was forgiven right, the takeaway the argo that Affleck is happy at that bad movie, gone girl at the whole movie, and so thats a movie bad, very puffy, gone girl baby, gone gone girl baby, where's that movie mash up? Well, then probably smiled because he was directing it. That's the greatest.

That's great. Smile as gifts Ben smile. But the takeaway from this romantic relationship that we've seen unfold is basically like, oh, you can treat women like ship as long as you make this big quote romantic gesture and then all will be forgiven. Which we have which, And it's also like we don't. We also don't see how it goes. We don't know, we can't. I hope that he gets there, and she's just like, no, you should you have to

drive home a you know, I think it. I think it has to go horribly also because it's like he just has so much ship to figure out. But the way that she has written, she's way too accommodating, and the way that she has been written in this movie, she'd be like, oh my god, will you do love me? You've showing up your means you love me and we'll be together forever, because that's how this movie understands women

to be. I don't disagree that it is too early in their relationship for him to move across the country to be with her. I also, and if I were in his position, I would have been like, let's try

a long not I'm shoving you against a wall. And there's I mean, there's like a lot of like they've got that class tension going, which is like an interesting there's like interesting elements to their relationship that ends up kind of either being really like treated like very not well by the movie or just end up kind of disappearing after a while. Ye Sell, what's going on with anybody got to answer me? Is selling? Okay? He does at least get at least three or four several minute monologues.

I don't really know what he was saying in any of them. He I like that the movie is like, oh, and we also need to figure out our things okay with Stelling and Robin, and we're just like I truly could not care. Wait, oh my god, I forgot about that. That whole plotline. There's like at least like fifteen minutes devoted to like these college roommate is going to be friends at the end of the day, You're like who because there was like a whatever, yeah, oh my god, random, Yeah, okay,

awkward sauce. Random. There's also that whole long scene where we referenced it earlier that Matt Damon turns down a job at the n S. A ed gives a really long monologue about how he disagrees with the n S a yeah, sure, Like I you know, but why is that there? There's a lot of scenes that could have been cut. Part of the beauty of this movie is almost none of it needs to be there. And I mean, I don't I don't know. I think that at least, like many drivers, character is like rooted in the story.

And but like she's kind of you could kind of argue her character is kind of there to like prove that he's quote unquote growing as a person, because his journey to like being able to love her is like kind of what all him and Robin Williams talk about. Robin Williams, he's got major his wife trope syndrome. His wife his wife is dead, which is in and that's like and the something that we know kind of what we love about him is that his wife is dead and he can't shut up about it. All men have

dead lives. There's the meninistas bag. Actually not all men. Did you know? You have aviator shades on a little something about my boys there. But there's like it reminds me of like Ed Harris and The Rock where the whole like drive of this character is just like it's not as good as Ed Harris screaming at his wife's tombstone, and they're like, I loved you so fucking much. But it's just probably is talking about, you know, feveral character we never see. Even the only other female character in

this movie is dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. Well, Many Driver's friend like is like she's an extra. She's like extra thing. Come on, So I don't think I was. Come on. She says, one thing that changed the movie. I ripped open the spacetime conserum. She's like, yeah, girl, you're like feminist text. We did it. Sorry, Actually, too women talking this movie. So hunting go awful Hunting there's it's yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't get there. I I like it's too bad because I'd like the

first half of the movie. I like Many Drivers character, and then I feel like they kind of sell her out. She's as many female characters in many movies, she exists to further characterize the male character. At last, she appears she robs his wife on screen. She is allowed to appear on the cutting room floor Vera for Mega as a ghost as young hop ghost wife alright, because she's she's a therapist and the departed. Her pulling over like the white She's over her head being like, she's like,

why do you walking up out? She has the worst Boston accent that I've ever heard in my life. And it was something so easily in the script, scorse as it could have been, like, you know what, actually, you weren't born and raised in Boston. You came here from California and you went to be you and you've been

here for fifteen years. Let's just say that. But she's like, I'm born and raised in Boston, Massachusets like when she truly and not even well, we got to take another quick break, but then will come right back, well fucking back back. The next thing that I think we should talk about, what should we talk about? Let's talk about a lot of solos in this movie should be mentioned, should be mentioned, our sort of shared history. Yes, let's

bring it up. I mean, Jamie and I both notorious known in several circles, famously in a large way, played the elbow in high school. And I think it shows, honestly, which is crazy giving off major obo vibes. Do you you still have do you still have yours? It's back home in Boston. I've got I brought mine here just in case you never never know, but like, okay, when you hear the obo in movies, or you're like, I'm like, well that's me, you know, or I'm like, oh, I

basically did that. Visibility is so important, so important. I feel more during an oboe solo in any movie than I did during any part of Black Panther. Incredible. And there's a character name I am in the movie and I was like, which was right now? I wish the character was an obo on screen, was a talking elbow,

and I would have done it. So one thing that I think to give this movie some credit, Yes, I do appreciate that it is largely about a man recognizing that another man needs therapy, and then that man going to therapy, and then eventually embracing it and then like realizing that it's actually healthy and perhaps good to hunting to hunting. Yes, so I don't think there are many movies like that. The fact that this is a pretty well known, mainstream movie I think is good for that reason.

I think the characters are still fairly toxic even after they've been through therapy. The way they get there is, you know, there's some bumps in the road. The way they get there, but I I yeah, I think like generally it's it is like it's like that dad, like that dad crying genre like forgiveness, men forgiving each other porn for for Dad's that they're like, oh shit, like I wish i've I could do that, but at least fucking mad Dammon did. Yeah. And I've said it before,

I'll say it again. Toxic masculinity stems largely from Okay, sorry, I know I'm in the presence of a meninist. I just stood up. What the fun is going on here? Here? A good will hunting bad in the ugly shirt. Um. The toxic masculinity stems at least in part from men not embracing their emotions or knowing how to process them. So a movie that encourages that is a good thing, because if we're going to dismantle the patriarchy, we need the cooperation of men, and they're not going to do

that unless they can talk about their feelings. So that was my my good Will Hunting monologue. Thank you so much. I hear you, I hear you, and I think that that's really important. I feel like and all my boys listening to this, pot you know what I'm talking about when you want to cry but you can't, so you just drink seven Monster Energy drinks in one Mountain dew Code orange, and then I have feels. It feels like a feeling. So so I hear you, but I counter that,

and I'm actually right a movie about that. I can't wait. Lucas Hedges plays the mountain dew Code orange, so it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. Miles Teller is attached. Yeah, so much stays in place. The sun great. So the climax of the movie is smile so shoots himself into the sun. So it's the sun is so the World War two script that previously wrote and that will be coming out. This is actually um the way that the Avatar movies shout up boys um sort of like span

several generations. That is what my movie about shoot Guard his family's legacy will also do. So it's kind of a cinematic universe. Well I would say exactly that actually, So thank you for seeing it, love it? Thank you. Yeah. I mean any movie where a man goes into therapy and it and it and it works out for him, I feel like it's like almost like the the like goofy, Like they're like, listen, if you want, if you want like the pussy in your life to cooperate with you,

you just gotta go to therapy. And that is, like, you know, not not the best message, but I feel like if you're trying to appeal to men who are completely not open to therapy at all and are completely closed up the promise of sex at the end of the therapy road, I'm willing to tell that lie. I'm willing to prepare to write that lie is that sometimes it does work, though I mean many many driver even tries it. She's like, I'm not going to have sex with you again until you like introduce me to your

friends and family. Basically like, unless you open up to me in some way, I'm going to withhold sex. I mean I've been there, I'm there right now. I'm still doing the sex strike. Yeah, I'm still doing the sex strike. Yeah, it's actually really awesome. I'm actually doing it because I'm

a menentist. And then the way mental health is treated in this movie is kind of all over the place where you mean, doesn't your therapists throttle your throat whenever you challenge your therapists talk about themselves from justice every single what if you had a therapist? I was like, I don't know, he like talks about his dead wife

most of the time he's helping me. Well, they're of those few different moments where like the therapist montage when he's trying instead of like a dress trying on montage where we see in every movie about a woman. Instead we see a therapist trying on montage with goodwill hunting. But he's trying on different therapists. One of them calls.

He's like, I can't do this. This guy is a raving lunatic, which is like not how well, the reason he does that is because of like a weird, bad gay joke that was written where Matt Damon is like, now, isn't I don't hate gay people? But I can I've clocked you, and you're like, I have a whole list of problematic things like that That gets said, But like, no therapist is going to be like, oh, I can't help this person. They're a raving lunatic. It's like, you

only help normal people. How dare you bring somebody sick in of my off? Get out? Get out? It's like the medical diagnosis that the psychiatrist gives in the movie Halloween where he's like he's pure evil. It's like, this is not how medicine and mental health work. But um, yeah, okay, here's my list of seven creepy, problematic stuff that is said by straight white men. And uh, the R word. The R word gets said several times. Um Stelen's Scars guard asks one of his female students if she would

like to have a drink with him. A woman, Oh yeah, it's fine. Robin Williams says to his class full of students who are wanting to become therapists, quote, if your clients don't trust you, you'll never get them to sleep with you. And that should be the goal of any good therapist. Nail them while they're vulnerable. That's my motto. And then everyone laughs. And in the movie it's framed was like he's trying to get their attention again because

they're like falling asleep. But like, don't make that joke to students. Bunker Bunker Hill, So I like, that's actually kind of near where I loved Okay, it's kind in high school. It's all right. Will calls Skylar but doesn't say anything on the phone, and then she says, Professor Valenti,

are you trying to call me again? So apparently there are several different professors in this movie who are harassing young women, hereditary professors, um Stale, syd Robin Williams are talking about an Indian man and they say they make that awful joke which is still being used by comedians today, uh Indian dot not feather. A few more, Robin Williames is talking about having a lottery ticket that will cover his tab at a bar, and then he says, Oh, it might not cover my tab, but it will cover

your sex change operation. Why would he say that? Why is that a line of dialogue? Give them the trophy? And then finally, because even though this movie is about you know, like men coming to terms with their feelings and learning how to process them, Will and his therapist hug at the end, and then Will Hunting says, does this violate the doctor patient relationship? And Robin Williams says no, only if you grab my ass, which like, okay, you ruined a nice moment anyway. So that was my list

of why was this written into the movie. Well, I mean that's like so much of the movie really specific of you to have a list. I I think that it is. This movie, as far as I know, it is not like as popular as it once was. I don't think people really go other than people from Boston are homesick and want to see a version of where they grew up that never existed. Uh, it doesn't seem like it's really endured. Like I don't think teenagers are watching Good Times. I don't know. I don't think so.

But it did like propel those two guys to like start, We're stuck with them, for sure, we're stuck with them. Um. But yeah, So those are kind of all my thoughts on the movie. Anyone else have any final thoughts. I think that Matt Damon is using most of the janitorial supplies incorrectly. The way he holds a broom, I don't think it's correct. The way he is mopping as someone

who's mopped a lot of mops, Yeah, he's a bad mopper. Well. Also, clearly everyone who wrote this movie has never been to therapy either, Like, never been to therapy college, I had a job a bar. There's lots of experience and healthy relationship not been had. But we're written by in this movie. Um. Yes. My final thought, um, ghost socks, they're oh ship the person I love, I love and bruins. I respect the socks, of course, but I did think it gets a little

bit crowdy. I'm all about the pats your pets. I'm a patsy, a pantsy. Go oh cool. I love bruins, I love a fucking Joe Thornton and in all of his who Celtics go ahead. Speaking of talking about man, does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yeah? Um, okay, let's see. We have a scene with two women, Mini Driver and Robin Williams's wife's ghosts played by Vera Farmega, and the and the scene where they talk about bomp and they talk about Mini's medical career and how proud

Vera Farmega is of many drivers. Is um a decision to go to California. This is after the breakup with will Um and she's having a really hard time and her best friend, who's a ghost, comforts her and it's like, I'm really proud of you, and she's like thank you, and then she's like what got you interested in medicine? And then Mini tells her and they hug and and they're like I'm going to get each other. It's really good. Yeah, I know, I love yeah, because we remember that's a

great senior. Remember. Let me ask a question. Does it pass the Bechto tests? Yes? If? Yeah, because if Ben Affleck's first words in the movie are screaming at a woman across the bar, Kathy, why didn't you give me none of that nasty COUCHI wouchi you usually throw at me? Does that pass the Bechto tests? Yes? Oh yeah, yeah I thought she claps back. Yeah, uh feminist win. She says fuck you and you're tout real dick. I guess

she is. The other named female characters. Matt Damon says like hi, Kristen or something like that to a woman at the bar. But yeah, these are very tertiary characters this movie was producing. That's how you see women in film as tertiary characters. And I feel bad then, I really just then it's that's a lot. I'm the meninace now.

Also very famously a Weinstein Brothers joint. We've covered a lot of Weinstein max uh ten million dollar budget, two million people love this movie, A hundred million tickets ticket. I used to be a trust fund baby, but I blew it on hunting tickets in theaters. Theaters. Okay, let's rate the movie in our nipples scale. Yeah, alright, so five five nipples a great portrayal of women, feminist win yes, zero nipples bad bad bad bad will hunting bad villion.

I'm going to give this, I guess one nipple because I do like Mini Driver's character. I do like that we get to know a little bit about her. She seems like a fairly okay she seems she seems okay at first, and then the movie does sell her out and she can. She starts being treated very badly by the man that she loves, but it's fine because he drives across the country without letting her know, so that

doesn't bode well. I do appreciate that the movie is about a man's like emotional journey, and even though he still ends up being pretty toxic by the end, he's demonstrated at least some emotional growth. And I and for nine seven, I think that was pretty ground break. Yes, yes, truly like a man going to therapy in a movie in the ye. Clearly people found it very brave, and although like I said, I just simply do not have the patients for stories about mediocre white men who are

actually also geniuses don't care. So yeah, I'm gonna, I mean, one nipple sounds like too much, I'm gonna go down to a half nipple. And I'm going to give it to Kathy for not giving her Couchi wouchi to nasty and also Kathy, in her defense for visibility of nasty couchi Wochi does not say no, no, no, my kuchi wuchi is not nasty. She maybe is like, yeah it is, and I'm fine with that and I'm fucking proud, and I was like, my name is Kathy, and like, couchi

wich is absolutely disgusting. Feminism is the law now, um so so I will. I will give this a one. I think I like Minny Driver's character for most of it. Like you're saying, I hope for better for her in the future, Um, when Matt Damon is going the hell off about like yeah, and then then the future you're gonna marry some other guy. Are you gonna talk about how you fuck the janitor once? And I'm like, honestly,

I hope that that's what happens for her. I hope she moves on quickly and she finds a different kind of douche bag at Stanford. You know, there's plenty of plenty out there to a whole different genre. Yeah, Like it's it seems like it's like the token female character in the all male movie, but you know Matt Damon goes to therapy. Uh, and it is I Like I feel like it's just like indicates that's like, oh, we need more like dad cry movies. It is like I

feel like dads get a release out of this. That that is like maybe why the movie has even remotely endured other than like Boston and men can cry during the movie and people like me who are horny for horrible bos there and but it's like you get there, there is like value to it with with that. Uh so you know, maybe just a better, better version of a movie that that your dad can feel comfortable crying

too and think about all his regret. I'm like, I was like, if my dad was watching this movie, he would be thinking about his regrets the entire movie, and uh, you know he needs he needs to be doing that. So it's really all guy. Yeah, but for this is not this is not I'll say it, it's not a feminist text. But you know what, I'll say it. I agree, I'll give it one nasty COUCHI WOUCHI and I'm I'm also going to give it to Kathy Great. Yeah, how

you feel. Um, this is tricky, this is tough. This is score that I give in no way reflects my beliefs on the meninist community, to which I am deeply connected. Um, however, it's not very it's not very kind to women. It's not very kind of women at all. And poor Mini

Driver's character really just suffers and suffers again. Um, she just like loses any sense of character, which is a bummer, even though Robin Williams's dead wife is probably one of the most fleshed out characters, just because we know that starring her sleep right, that is more we know. So so you tell me, Um, we know a lot about Cathy lady. Na Um, but I think, but they'll score. Why I gotta give. I gotta go, I gotta go point five? Yeah yeah, oh and that's again and all

the women get harassed. Wait, I gotta go. I think I might go oh zero, Okay, I still will be watching the movie. The thing is, I get clear, I'm addicted to that movie. I just know everything that happens that it feels good to watch. That's the point of the podcast. You're still allowed to love the things you love, even if they're you know, bad will Hunting. But you know, we just encourage people to examine the media critically that

they consume that feels good. I'm gonna go home and watch it, but I'm going to be playing it on mute and on surround sound. I'm going to be playing Chris Brown and R. Kelly Sons at the same time on full blasts until my ears bleed. And so knowing that I have the safety to do that makes me feel really kind of like a Wizard of a Dark Side of the Moon. And that's exactly but with Hunting and um An, R Kelly Chris Brown collab right right, right, yeah, yeah, all right, this is a safe space. Well I oh,

thank you so much for being here. Do you want to come over to do that with you? To watch? Yeah, I'll be there, yeah, okay, obviously anytime you seem like you're sitting in your seat still, oh, here we go here company, Yeah, okay, cool, Just of the plot. I just want to make sure I think this could be a really fun, cool idea. Okay, all right, I'll just like hell first, I'll just meet you guys in my place before you do that. Plug your stuff though. People

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