George of the Jungle

a great time, and thanks to everyone who went. It was it was so much fun because that was like, I mean, I don't know if you've heard of this little thing called COVID nineteen, but this show was postponed I think for three years or two at least two years sometimes, so it was really lovely to be back with everybody in safe and wonderful space and we were just really thrilled to be there. And this was pre

Brendan Frasier having an oscar. So I'm pretty sure we're talking about this as if we don't know, because we don't know, because that's how the past works. Yes, so thank you to everyone who came to the show. We will be releasing other live episodes we recorded on this tour in the coming weeks and months. And here's the thing about those, the next few episodes that are coming out. There are shows we recorded live in Portland and we

had wonderful guests. We had Sarah Marshall for the Gooneyes episode, and we had Robert Evans for the Hannah Montana the Movie episode. We also live streamed those episodes, and there are things that happened in the live show that we will cut out of the audio episode that will be released on the main feed, just because they didn't translate well to audio and because we're withholding assholes. It's true.

But but but you want to see the live stream, you can buy like tickets slash access to see those shows on demand. Yes, so if you want to like see the extra special, like the fun little activities we did, including Jamie accidentally throwing a knife. Oh, thank you for saying it, thank you for plugging. Yes, that's in the Hand of Montana episode. We also do a treasure hunt and give Sarah Marshall a chocolate box full of hot dogs.

There's a lot of fun visual gags that you won't get and so you so if you'd like to see it and just get a preview of those episodes, you can purchase the video to those episodes individually on our link tree, which will link below. Unfortunately, there's no video of the George of the Jungle episode, which is a shame because we more really funny hats at one point. We really did. But you will hear that segment in

the episode that you're listening to right now. A quick note about it is that it kind of abruptly cuts off toward the end of the show as we are giving our nipple ratings. Most of the episode is intact, but you know, it's not a becdelcast live show without some technical difficulty. So it's true the grand tradition continuing continues. But we had so much, like truly, truly, truly, so much fun at this show. Thanks again to everyone who is there, and I think you'll be able to hear

our enthusiasm through the podcast. Work well. Enjoy the show, Enjoy. On the bedl cast, the questions asked if movies have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zeph and Vast start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hi, welcome to the Beckdelcast. Wow. Hi you Sam Francisco. How are you? Uh? Hi Jamie, Hi, Caitlin right now? Hello? What's our friend Bryant? What he knows? We have a show? Right? This doesn't pass the well

all right, that was a sting operation. He called it, that exact moment to fuck with us. We were gonna have a perfect, uninterrupted discussion about no men the whole time. Well, welcome to the show. Thanks for going out. My name is Caitlin Dronte. Yeah. Hello, Oh my name is Jamie Loftus. Wow. I'm so glad your applause wasn't louder than mine. It was just exact same it would have been. It's always a chilling moment where you're like, what are we gonna do? Um?

But yeah, this is our this is our podcast where we take an intersectional look at your favorite move vs. And today we brought you a San Francisco classic question mark. Honestly, the thing is with this show is it's been on for a pretty long time, and um, what you know, we we've done the Princess Diaries, We've done the Social Network, we did the Social Network. In this very theater. Was

anyone here at that show? Welcome Hi, welcome back. Um, this one is going to be just as serious as a social network, and I think have equal social impact on the current climate. You know, George or the Jungle used to be called the George or the Jungle, and then they drop the the and now it's just now it's just George of the Jungle. Oh that got a bigger laugh out of me than I was expecting. It's pretty good. Um so, but yeah, we are covering San

Francisco classic George of the Jungle. Who's seen it? Oh? We got some George heads in the house. Has anyone not seen George of the Jungle? Round of applause? WHOA, Okay, the proud, the holdouts. Um, I genuinely, you're you're missing out. It's a it's a pretty fun movie. It's true. Um. Shall we say what the Bechtel Test is? I guess so, yeah, I guess. It's a mediametric created by a queer cartoonist, Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test. Yes, there

are many versions of the test. Ours is as follows. Two people of a marginalized gender have to speak to each other about something other than a man. It's nice if they have names, it's nice if their conversation is substantial. Does it happen often? No? But in George of the Jungle, interestingly, it happens when Holland Taylor asks Leslie Man what her

vagina was like after after returning from the Jungle. From whence George came the context of this, there's a lot of like this movie is PG, but I feel like they're really stretching it to the very limit. There's they're talking about like raw sacks at multiple points. There's a whole scene. There are several scenes where multiple women are like, oh my god, Georgia the Jungle would fuck and or they're like he has the biggest dong I've ever seen. They all but cut to it, like the way that

the camera is. I like, I don't know who the cinematographer in this movie is, Roger Deakins. So I just had the most disgusting thought of my entire life. I can't say it a lot, but um, you know that you know the tunnel from Shawshank Redemption, Yes, I something something. Georgia the Jungle's penis you navigate through it much less that's okay, I should um, I should be locked up? That was that was a bad way to start the show.

Um No, But there are sometimes the camera is angled so close to like his like pelvis bone, that you're like, oh my god, is it gonna a rare vie? Are out like Jig Saw, a rare movie that's about a head of row romance where the man is far more sexualized than the woman. Oh, time and time and time again, which doesn't make it the right decision. I feel like

that that's We'll have a whole discussion about that. Where I feel like, you know, we're just sort of not we specifically, but as a culture we are emerging from the binary flip culture is like, oh yeah, just oppress someone else. You're like, well, no, don't do that. Um but I did love the scene where George confidently wears a dress and a hat. Yes, they shouldn't let him just wear his damn dress. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he looked good in our money as well, but why not?

Why not both? Look, we're getting ahead of ourselves. No, we're so thrilled to have you here, and we're really excited to be talking about cinematic classic George of the Jungle. We love movies from nineteen ninety seven everything. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, Jamie, what is your relationship your history with George of the Jungle. Oh, I don't. I don't remember seeing this movie in theaters. I feel like I maybe did when I was really little, but I just remember watching it growing up. I remember.

I don't even think I had Like I think the movie is like encouraging you to have a crush on George, but I didn't even have a crush on George. I just thought that he seemed really nice. I feel like that is like one of the beautiful I know. I know that, like it's currently trendy to be obsessed with Brendan Fraser, but like I mean, I'm not even like hyper fix it. He's like not Alfred Molina to me, but like you know who is very few people are.

It's really just the one guy. But Brendan Fraser, I like, even when I was like a little kid, he was just like a very like friendly and calming presence in a way that I feel like there were like a fair amount of actors like that in the nineties. And we've talked about him on the show before is kind of like a character actor to like his bones. But when you're like movies start conventionally handsome and you can do character actor stuff, people get confused and they don't

know what to do with you. Um, but I just like, yeah, I just I really loved this movie. And I I think I just had a crush on everybody except Lyle. And yeah, not no disrespect to Thomas Hayden Church. Um, you know I love Spider Man three, do you? Yes? Okay, I do, but I mean, but I mean, he does a good job. However, it's a hard act to follow, villain wise because yeah, and a lot of people are slowly connecting the dots and others, well, they don't have

two brands up together. I don't know. It's Alfred fucking Molina as doctor Octopus Chidas in four. Anyway, someone snorted, and I celebrate that. Yeah, we love it. Do it again, scary m Caitlyn, whats your I just I just loved it. I watched it. Um, I think that there were there was a sort of a mini renaissance of children's gorilla movies, because I also watched Mighty Joe Young a lot. Oh sure, Well, there's a sexy blonde woman and a big gorilla and and a hot guy nearby. They were going to show

that to six year olds. Does anyone remember Dunstan checks in? Because that was around this time as well. I believe that it. Yeah, what is that Forgive me? This is a movie about an orangutan named Dunston. Okay, I think I haven't seen it in thirty years. No, No, here's my question. Is he checking in? I think a hotel? Oh? Okay, thank you so much. And that's the power of collaborative

work exactly. My favorite UM, not that you asked, but my other favorite UM celebrity h celebrity primate movie was this was a direct to This was I think a part of the Airbud cinematic universe. But there were two

movies that I can remember. I don't remember what the name of the monkey was, but it was called MVP Most Valuable Primate and it was about I think a chimpanzee that joins a hockey team, which checks so many boxes for me that I left my body because it's like he's looking at this amboni, He's like oh like

and I was like losing my shit. And then they did a direct to video sequel to the direct video sequel MVP, but this time he's skateboarding and he it's a most Vertical Prime, right, which is you've spoken of these movies before. That's how I know about that. We gotta cover MVP month. It'll be like Miracle and Most Vertical prim Not even Mighty Ducks. No, no, I mean they didn't even have that was an all human team boom, Where are the Ducks? I feel like in nineties kids

movies that is not off the table. For some reason, animals were joining sports teams. It was an epidemic and people were exploiting it. It wasn't right. It wasn't moos fucked up, but this is I would say it was. It was a childhood favorite. But as far as um a primate comedy for children, it was maybe three or four on my list. Kaitlyncher, what was your history of Georgia the Jungle. I think there's a very good chance I saw this at a drive in movie theater in

nineteen I know, impressive. A lot of people were like yeah, because I would have been like eleven at the time, and I was kind of the target demo and this is a movie that it's been with me since its inception. What is the subtext to what you just said? I don't know. It was a movie of my childhood. I watched it quite a bit in the late nineties, but not since then, so it was fun to revisit. Though. They made a direct to DVD sequel of this movie

with kind of my favorite genre. I think there should be a whole podcast about this genre where it's like sequel where none of the cast was interested in returning, and then it's like some poor I don't know who it becomes George of the Jungle, but there's no way he isn't fighting for his life the entire time, just desperately trying to evoke Brendan Fraser, you know, yeah, yeah, should we do that? Podcast? Should be no? No, okay, no, we should do um we should we should do the

primates in sports podcasts? Okay, fair? Yeah, fair. It's like when we did a show in London once brag ever heard of it, um, and for some reason the venue just put on the Marquee Women in Film podcast. It was like they like looked at the title of their show and they're like, no, they've punched it up without asking. Yeah, yeah, should I do the recap? Do the recap Georgi or

the Jungle? Okay, so we get some animated backstory slash, a credit sequence where we learn about a plane wreck in which a baby was left behind in the jungles of Africa. Where in Africa unclear, we'll get there. We we outsourced that work. We had some research done for us. Yeah, I did that. That is like I love when a movie has an animated opening sequence. It didnt makes sense for this because George of the Jungle was a Saturday morning cartoon in the late sixties that only aired for

seventeen episodes, and yet it's famous. I don't understand that. Who knows it doesn't make sense, but I do. But there's, you know, kind of like a lost Pilot situation. I mean the show Lost. Oh yeah, it's like if Lost happened, but everyone was saved and no one looks for a baby. Correct. Yeah, So this baby gets left behind, and this, of course is George of the Jungle, and thank you so much.

That's his Christian name. He does introduce himself that way, or he introduces himself as George Primate, which is also comedy genius. Look, I was laughing the way that Brandon Frazier sometimes says things and he's like leading with his teeth. You're like, I guess I'm laughing. Or and then Holland Taylor, Oh my god, it's how did they get Holland Taylor in this damn movie? She's a living legend. And then she's they're like, you're the mom and Georgia the Jungle's

she's a professional. Look she read the script and she's like, this is good, this is this will endure. Yeah, the woman has an eye. Um okay. So baby George is raised by animals. He swings around on vines, he crashes into trees famously. Right we cut two twenty five years later. George of the Jungle is now Brennan Fraser. But before we really see him, we meet Ursula. That's Leslie Mann, who is on vacation in the jungle nearby. How clear

was that to you? Because I was like I wasn't clear if like she was a documentarian that was so bad at it, or if she was making home videos or like what she was doing. And then it's like later clarify, like she is the most trust fund kid to ever trust Fund kid. Yes, yeah, I think she's just a rich lady on vacation, and so she is guided by Quam played by Richard Rowntree and Shaft, Yes, unbelievable, and a few of his colleagues. Then Ursula's asshole fiance, Lyle,

played by Thomas Hayden Church shows up. Oh, such camp. Yes, we were talking about this backstage. Lyle has a shade of blonde that only existed in this calendar year. It's like Jack Dawson's Sandy Blonde. You couldn't get it outside of ninety six. It was released in ninety seven, and by that time it wasn't available. It's like qua ludes for hair. Yes, all true? Okay. So, so Lyle shows up unexpectedly with two poachers, Max and Thor, and they

have heard tell of the legendary white ape. Lyle thinks it's bogus. The poachers want to capture it for money, and they all set off to go and try and see some apes, and Lyle takes Ursula further into the jungle by themselves. A lion shows up and Lyle trips

and is knocked unconscious. Immediately, so Lyle is so like he's such a flop that it starts to look intentional, like like there were a few points where and it was like maybe my own like internalized patriarchy where I'm like, surely there must be a greater plan at work here. He couldn't be bad at so many things, but he

really is so bad at so many things. And I really I loved that, unlike a lot of movie because it's like movie is like pretty meta and self aware of itself, which is like true to the cartoon because it was like originally a cartoon that was meant to make fun of Tarzan. But I liked it. From moment one, Ursula very visibly does not like him. It doesn't want Like he walks out, he's like babe, and she's like,

oh no, brutal yep. So this lion is about to attack Ursula, but just then George of the Jungle shows up. He swings in and he saves Ursula and he carries her off after he and the lion have had a goofy fight or maybe even and it's an extremely fight. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, improved upon the original. I love. And then Brendan Fraser, I wonder if like he was just warming, like it felt like he was in a way auditioning for a

later movie. He did Louie Tunes back in action. Oh yeah, Brendan Fraser really knows how to like interact with ultimately whatever is like the tennis ball in front of him. Yes, and that's a rare skill and he can really do really nails it. Yeah, he was spinning that lion like a basketball on his little finger. It's impressive. Okay. So then Ursula wakes up in George's tree house, where she

is properly introduced to George. She also meets George's friend Ape, a talking gorilla voiced by John Cleese, and you're just like, I guess, so, like this is like an interesting I mean because John Cleese, if you know anything about his personal politics, like he can absolutely light himself on fire,

you know. But this is like an interesting era for like Monty Python actors where they were just in American children's movies, like serially because it's like I think best by Eric Idol and Casper, right, but they were just like a pop from the crowd for Eric Idle and Casper, I mean Eric Idol and Kathy Moriarty and Casper. There's a kind of like, uh, like they didn't kiss, but you're like, why not? But that was like kind of what was so sexy about it? Exactly? But we already

did that episode. Okay, So we meet Ape and Ursula faints because women be fainting, right, but don't forget Caitlin. She then faints again, yes, multiple times, yes, yes, yes. Then George notices that Ursula has boobs and realizes for the first time that she is a woman because he has never seen a human woman before, and then he

licks her face. Look Ape, Okay, I think that people will Galaxy brain this and be like, well he doesn't understand human behavior, and you're like, okay, true, but Ape seems too Why does this Ape has books about it? Ape appears to be a Rhodes scholar. Surely he would have told George not to lick someone's face at some point, So I think that point is moot and George was was acting out of pocket there. He was wrong to

lick her face. We talked about this earlier too, but George has I don't think, like as bad as what I'm about to compare it to. But George has a real watching women's sleep issue. Uh huh. I do like I'm glad it no longer really exists, but the filmic language of man watching woman's sleep as a way of saying I love you and not like I'm planning on how to murder you is kind of a lost art for him. And yeah, and Brendan Frasier is looking at

Leslie man it's like very Edward Culin. Yes. Yeah, He's like, I don't sleepy, don't do that. Okay. So then Ursula wakes up and she's like, oh, I have to get back to my fiance. And then George is like, he's like, i'll help you. So then he calls his dog, Shep, who is actually an Ella hint and George, Yeah, were you laughing? I mean yeah, I was laughing every time the worst joke ever happened. I was laughing, laughing, laughing.

An elephant isn't a dog. It's funny and that's comedy. Yeah, the elephant had a milk bone at one point, and then the narrator says, don't do that. Yeah, and then I was laughing more. And that's a good joke. I agree with that. I couldn't write that, okay. So then George and Ursula set out to search for Lyle and the others. Meanwhile, Lyle has gone back to Kwame and the other guides and they are searching for Ursula. But

Ursula is having a really good time with George. She's like, not in a rush to get back to Lyle, who she famously hate hates. Yeah, And she and George are frolicking. They talk to a toucan, they talk to a monkey. He teaches her how to swing on vines. And George is developing a crush on Ursula and he tries to seduce her using some guerrilla techniques that Ape taught him. We'll see. Here's here's where what I just said it turns out to be demonstrably wrong because Ape does only

what are apes books about? Okay? I because I don't think that, like, are there a lot of books about like here's how apes flirt? Like I don't understand. Here's my theory. After watching the movie three times to prep for this episode. I think Ape knows because he's like, Ape is like, oh, you gotta like puff out your cheeks and throw leaves around and like make all these noises and stuff. I think Ape is goofing on him. I think he knows that that's not going to work. Oh, okay,

you think Apes fucking with it? Yeah, that's I mean, that is kind of brilliant and very cruel. For the first time he's met one of his own species and it's like, let me just fuck around. But but I guess I guess that that is kind of funny. Do you think I was like, maybe he was just my theory when he didn't appear to be learning from I was like, well, maybe he's just reading a series of unfortunate events, you know, like maybe he's reading fiction and

so he's not really learning. Maybe he's watching Hollywood movies and would have no idea what romance is, Like maybe maybe he has a VHS player. Well, because when when George comes back and he's like, oh, Ape, that didn't work at all, Ape is like, oh really, like he kind of knows he what's wrong with him. I don't know who would lie to Brendan Frasier. That's fucked, I know, I know. Okay, So Pla and George they're having a great time. He's developing a crush and then they have

this romantic moment and a dance. He gets hurt of dance with a scene that it's a good scene, and then Lyle and his goons abandoned Quame and the others, and they find George or the Jungle and Lyle accidentally shoots him. Cut to George and Ursula on a plane taking him to the US, specifically San Francisco. Ever heard of it? There again, just to shout out another hilarious, hilarious joke in this hilarious movie. When George gets shot, it freezes, and then the narrators like, we can't kill

George the hero. He's our hero. He gotta bring him to San Francisco and we gotta do you know mayor Willie Brown's nine millionth cameo of this era in children's movies. It is truly the fact that he got into Prince's diary and George of the Jungle, I mean, god bless iconic, really impressive work. Yeah, okay, So George needs medical attention, so they bring him to the US because only medical attention exists here, and Lyle is left behind. He gets

arrested and thrown in jail. The poachers Max and Thor they were like, oh, if we go after Ape, we can make a bunch of money. We can like join showbiz. Because they have dreams of right becoming performer. I could. I couldn't keep track of those characters. I was like, who are these guys? Like they were just trying to do Joe Peshi in Home alone and I was like, it's not gonna happen, guys, Yeah, yeah, but they're like, oh, if we go after Ape the talking Gorilla, that's our

ticket into show business. So meanwhile, George and Ursula arrive in San Francisco. George is trying to get acclimated to city life, and Ursula tells her mom, who is Holland Taylor, about George and Holland Taylor does not like this at all, but hall and Taylor frames it in a very specific way where she's like, I have no problem if you fuck George raw. Yeah, Like she kind of like repeatedly is like, no, you should definitely have sex with him, but you can't marry him. And it's just I don't know.

We've covered a lot of like waspy moms of this kind of like category before, and Holland Taylor is the best of them because it's like a self aware writing of it where she sounds really horrible and she's saying it where you're like, no, George is the best guy in the whole world. He's the hymbo of the century. Oh wow, our crowd love that. Okay. So then Ursula invites her best friend Betsy over and they both see George naked after he comes out the shower and they're

ogling at him. Betsy classic Trope character. She comes in, She's like, I'm the best friend. Who you fucking And then Ursela is like, oh, no, one, and she's like, look at that huge panut and Ursela's like, no, I'm not interested. She's like, whoa, why don't I take a bite? And then Ursela says, okay, I guess I do like him, and then she disappears for forty five minutes, like unsung heroes of movies of the nineties, women with curly hair

who are barely in the movie. Okay, So, Ursela has to go to her engagement party the next day, so she leaves George at home, but he ventures out into San Francisco. He goes to the Golden Gate Bridge. He saves a para sailor. Sorry, I know that, Like people are listening to this in the future. I just wanted to say that three people just pulled out harpoon guns and they seem really upset. Yeah, I it's the Bay Bridge. I've fed that. They're slowly lowering them, but they want

us to know that they have them. Oh, because the Golden Gate Bridge is stuff. Stop they're bringing them back out. No, I'm gonna die on this hill. The Golden Grape it's red, right and this one wasn't red. I should have known. I'm humiliar. Someone just threw it tomato. That's so fucked up. Stop I'm a man na. We're from Los Angeles. We don't have brains that work. We don't have bridges. Okay, stop, okay, let me try again. He goes to the what's it called bay Bridge? What did I get it wrong? But

just throw a pineapple at your head? Stop bridge. Say it's a para of sailor whose parachute had gotten caught in whatever bridge it is. And Ursula is like, oh my god, George. She sees him on TV and she's like, George, you saved that man's life. And she's swooning about it on TV. She doesn't give a shit. She does give a single shit, And then she tells her parents that she doesn't want to marry Lyle anymore, and her parents

throw well, specifically, her mom throws a fit about it. Yes, one of my I mean, we'll probably get back to this, but one of my least favorite tropes. That happens when you have to get a woman in a romantic lead part where her mom is like, no, I want to get in the way of this, and then the dad, who has not said a word the entire movie, is like, I support this, I love my daughter, and then she goes, thank you, daddy, and then and then we all just look at the mom like what a bitch. Yeah, It's like,

why does it? I mean, it happens every single time. The narrator even calls her like the meddling mother. So yeah, well, and and the father says, like what a he says something really mean about her. Yeah, I forget, I forget what he says, but it's I feel like he says what a piece of shit? Like he says something like that, and maybe that exactly yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, could be,

could be. Uh okay. So then it's her engagement party that evening, and George is there and all the women are so horny for George, and then Ursula's mom pulls George aside, and she's like, stay away from my daughter, or I will cut your dick off. Oh my god.

She is so iconic in that scene though, like, I won't stand for people being mean to George, except in that scene specifically where George is so sweetly like you don't want Ursula to like love George, and she's like, I would sooner nail my tongue to the table every morning at breakfast. Here's like, well, if she's saying it like Miranda Priestley, I guess I like it. Sorry, I looked at my notes. Ursula's dad says about his own wife as a comedic button to the scene. God, that

woman is a pain in the ass. Yep, hilarious. Okay. So meanwhile, back in the jungle, the poachers Max and Thor capture Ape and plan to bring him to Vegas for a Siegfried and Roy type show. So the Toucan shows up in San Francisco and tells George that Ape has been kidnapped. So George has to leave and go back to the jungle to save Ape, and then Ursula goes after George because she realizes she loves him. Yes, George, so George arrives back in the jungle and he saves

Ape from the poachers. Ursula shows up to help. They're about to kiss, but then Lyle shows up and kidnaps Ursula. They end up on a raft. They're getting swept up by the rapids, and then so George has to do like the biggest swing known to man to save Ursula, and he does, and then still hits that damn tree, the tree. If there's one thing my man George is gonna do, it's hit that damn tree. And he does it every time. People tell him to watch out for that tree, and he never listens. He does not. So

then George and Ursula get married in the Jungle. We cut to a few years later. They have had a Greg Greg Greg of the Jungle. He got her greg nant, she had a Greg and um. Then the movie ends on a Lion King reference where George is holding up his Greg on Pride Rock, followed by Ape performing in Vegas in a solo show the original Marvel mid credit scene. So that's the plot of George of the Jungle. Oh thank you well, I mean there there's so much to

talk about with this movie. I don't even really know where to I mean, where where would you like to start? Oh geez, because I know we have like we've got a well we have a we should we just well, let's just yeah. So we were, um curious because this movie takes place in this very like it says it takes place in the jungle in Africa, and then it is very unspecific as to where they're talking about, and like, so we were curious. It's like, is this based anywhere?

What are the like, what is the culture and what is the wildlife that we're actually supposed to be paying attention to? And how accurately does the movie represent it? Yes, which we didn't know, And so we contracted some local experts. Yeah, we found them. They're in San Francisco. This is going well, it really is. And so I see without much further ado, would you give us a help in giving a warm welcome to our two experts on this matter? Thank you? Okay, holdah,

could you hear me that clicker there? Oh yeah, no problem, Yeah, welcome they thank you. Don Francisco. Pretty freaking epic if you ask me. All right, um, all right, thank you? So, Um, I can't do that. I can't. I want to stand up oh yeah, yeah, that not you relate. Okay, so I don't know why on live presentation we've got. I'm gonna keep it up, so uh please introduce yourself. Yeah sorry, uh um, well, Caitlin asked us to present catffects on behalf of her Yeah, a lot of cats in the

jungle allegedly. So this is catffects and other animal effects. Yeah, featuring myself, Lauren D. Titanic, Yeah, and me doctor Bambi orwell, sorry, the your credentials got left off. It's fine, it's fine, that's all of it. But a little more about us. Yes, So I'm Lauren D. Titanic. I've got a master's degree in uh animals from Animal University, right, but I hate to mention that. Meanwhile, I, doctor Banbi, have a PhD, a bachelor's and an associate's degree and animal studies from

Wikipedia University. No masters, skipped straight to the PhD. No credit for the Yeah, I up all the time. All right, So, um, first of all, let's just do some context corner. Um, George of the Jungle is set in according to the movie, is set in a place called book. Is that a place that exists? Well, let's ask all right, we will ask Google, any experts, and according to Google and also the World, no, it's not. Well it's so spelled differently. Is a city in the Democratic Republic of the Congo

City not Jungle? So and also not Bokovo, correct, right? Right? Right? Yes, yes, so that's not correct, even though the movie keeps mentioning that that's where they are. So we went back to the drawing board. See did they mention any other locations? Yes? Right, So moments later in the film, Ursula says, oh, this is the third day in Bow and so is that a place that exists in Africa? And we're the experts, so we of course googled it. That's right. Is it

a real place that exists? Is a real place? According to Google and also the world. Um no, no, it's not place. It is an African surname. Um. It's also the fictional province that's the home of Georgia, the Jungle. It's kind of shocking that it has its own Wikipedia page, given that that is the dent of it. That's what we're in the end. It's what we in our profession call a stub. All right, So now this is actually a native species to Scotland if you can believe it. Yeah,

well it's a it's an image of Shrek. Yes, Laura and I spent years in the trenches of Scotland looking for the rare Shrek and and we found him and it turned out he had aspirations and shell business and so and you know, he's become rather a star. But really his confused face represents our confusion. Yes, yes, he's sort of the people's Shrek. So back to where we were discussing. So then we um looked at Wikipedia Scholarly Journal. Yeah,

I'm an alumni of it's true. And according to Wikipedia, on the George of the Jungle page says while touring in Burundi or sah blah blah blah. So we thought, you know, like it's a blue link, we should click on it. Yes, and we did. That's just sort of like research, you know. So we clicked on got down a rabbit hole if you will. Yeah, yeah, And so we clicked on Burundi and oh god, we found a place that exists. It's a real country in Africa, that's right, Yes,

just south of Rwanda. So I guess that's where they are in the film. So tell us all about Bundy. I'd love to so, um, it's where Georgia the Jungle is canonically sit. It's a small landlocked country in the Great Rift Valley between the African Great Lakes region and East Africa. And we were really interested in particular about the wildlife. We are again wildlife expert. So Sureley, like, you know, the Henson Company made the puppets for this movie,

and the Hensons aren't known for just making shit up. No, so I thought this is probably elogically accurate. Let's look into it. Yeah, so there's a you know, there's a number of species of birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fish, among other non vertebrae animals, including zero species of talking bears named Peddington absolutely gating. Okay, So getting into the animal representation of Georgia the Jungle of the film. So there's an orangutan in the film who appears in several scenes.

So we're like, oh, orangutans must live in Burundi, right, did you know that that's true. It's not it's not true. They're not there and it doesn't stop there all right. Next we sat we noticed there's a there's a two can I believe that's right. Um, well, just to go back real quick, orangutans are native to Indonesia, Malaysia. There are now only found in parts of Bonneo. Is that how you pronounce it? I don't know, everyone's going to

correct me all the time. That and Sumatra? Okay? Um, so, well got the two can Tuki Tuki who famously flies from from Africa to San Francis going about twenty minutes. Hilarious joke. Yeah, but he's Georgia's you know, sort of his what we would normally see as a pigeon in American movies. Uh that they're known for their colorful bills and loving fruit loops. So we're thinking, you know, two

cans must be native to this region. Well, well are they? No, they're not from they don't live in Burundi, they don't live anywhere in Africa. Never guess where they do live. It's Central and South America pretty far away. Yeah. Funny little fact though in Africa and Asia hornbills now hornbills occupied the two cans ecological niche, which is an example of convergent evolution. And we know exactly what all of that means. Yeah, yeah, well it's like, well, we we joke.

We're like, oh, it's like the the bill has an erection, you know, but that's just a little uh, that's just zoo talk. It's a nasty things. We say, yeah, I got the snort. So the point is that easily just could have put a hornbill in the movie and it would have been accurate. But instead they're like, no, let's put a two kin, even though they don't leave in Africa anyway. Okay, here's I'm gonna fuck up this pronunciation to everyone? Is it capuchin? Capuchin? Capuchin? How does everyone do?

Everyone in San Francisco is a fucking genius? Interesting, you're fucking weird. As I walked outside, someone I got hit on worth than I've been hit on in my entire life, but the weirdest guy I've ever met inside of three seconds. You people are sick here. Thanks for coming to the show. You know it all weird enough. So this is a Capuchin monkey that George helps by giving the confidence to stand up to its bullies, which, of course as a

tale as old as time, Yes, classics storytelling. Kapuchan monkeys, You'll never believe this do not live in Africa. They are also native to Central and South America. Now it's like that they didn't have encyclopedias when clearly Ape has a full set. It's just unbelievable. What else do we have here? We have? Oh, of course there's a shep, one of my favorite characters, George's pet elephants. So, okay, do we find elephants in this in this area of Africa? Well, yes,

but only African elephants. But sheep, however, is an Asian elephant. We are not quite sure how that happened. But I think that that's actually kind of more of a failure of storytelling. You know, that's true. I just switched into New Jersey for a second storytelling. I also, I can't wait to get canceled by everyone in Australia for this bit. Having a long Asian elephant is in a movie that's supposed to take place in Africa. That's right, Yes, not correct,

So that's fucked up. Yeah, I'm all right. So also, there's a lion in early in the movie. Of course, George famously fights this lion, and we're like, oh, wait a minute, lions do live in Burundi, but but not in the jungle. Oh no, they live in the savannahs and grasslands and rocky hills, which they would know if they watch the movie they parody in the final shot of the movie, The Lion King. Yes, takes place entirely in the savannah exactly. But what can you do? What

can you do? All right, research is what you can do. Um. Now, let's get down to brass text here. This is the real important part. And this has been I mean, I know this has been sort of the mission of your research for for a very long time. Yes, well, yes, Caitlyn and I work closely on this. Um. Yes, it's she's your muse, you could say, ye, so um, specifically the number of nipples that cats have, and so lions have four nipples. Oh good, I just want you to know. Yeah, okay,

So moving on to Ape. So Ape appears to be a gorilla. That's we were able to figure that out pretty quick, right, and we were. You know, gorillas do live in Burundi, however, Lauren, Yeah, well they used to until they went extinct due to poaching in habitat loss. So sorry to bring the show. What what is otherwise is very awesome, lively, wonderful show that everyone's just wanted to let you know that if Ape was real, he would have died. And so there, in a way is

kind of like beautiful. We thought it was nice that the writers where is this that I don't know right movie? There is of the movie wrote in Ape because it was sort of like you become attached to his character and then you realize, oh, oh no, there, you know there, there's none of them anymore due to a series of really trait unfortunate events. A series of unfortunate events by Lemony Snickett. Yeah, yeah, all right, let's move on. So

this is actually my doctoral thesistant. Yes. So ape Is is voiced by actor John Cleese, who is better known most famously now. His most famous role is voicing the Frog King in Shrek two and Shrek the Third. Yeah, yeah, you know, and he was he was a troubled frog, but ultimately he died at the beginning of the third movie. So yeah, it's fine. We love kings. All right, Well that's that. We just wanted to thank Caitlin and Jamie

for for flying us in. I think it was worth it. Yeah, and uh, you know, just like they're they're so beautiful and interesting, you know, we should bring them back to the stage. Welcome them back, all right, Welcome back Caitlin

and Jamie. They were wonderful and so pretty, almost as pretty as us because it's a competition, but yes, and yeah, I'm gonna get into hand to hand combat with Okay, Well, now that we know all about how I mean, I feel like part of the reason we wanted to talk about how wildly inaccurate and kind of randomized and underthought the way that the jungle is built out with animals is because the way that Africa and the African jungle are portrayed in the movie overall, it just makes no sense. Yeah,

particularly with the African characters. Yeah, who are in the movie. So we have mister Kuame and then these three Porters, and the way that they are characterized, especially the Porter characters, is they are like the funniest characters in the movie for sure, like time and time again, Like it's it's a frustrating thing to what because I like checked everywhere I could, like, were these characters even intended to have names? No,

there's three porters. They are all referred to as Ursula's friend and an African tour guide, which is a very long way of not giving someone a name, right, And on one hand, it's like something that surprised me about this movie is like Lyle is a very clear, flamboyant colonizer character, Like he's fucking arrogant. He never knows what he's talking about. He's constantly bullying people and belittling people

and assuming that they know less than he does. He does, specifically mister Quame and the Porters, and he's always wrong and they're always laughing at him in a way that's very satisfying. But on the other hand, we don't know what their names are, and we don't know anything about

them except that they know that Lyle is an incompetent loser. Right. Well, I would even say that the movie the movie is inconsistent with how it wants you to feel about these characters because it doesn't even present him is always wrong because for the first few moments of the movie, the way they represent it is like they take the expression shake a leg literally because they like don't fully understand

like the nuances of the English language. They are easily startled by like modern Western things like flash photography, or like one of them the movie throws one of them off of like a well, at Lyle throws them off a bridge, right, but that is like the inciting incident for like, yeah, I do agree that it's like they are.

They are shown as being like I think, even more offensively cartoonishly like, they're shown as like being, well, they're not familiar with Western civilizations, so we don't need to respect these characters, right, which happens all the time. But then when Lyle shakes the rope bridge and one of the porters nearly passes away, but then the narrator is like, no one's gonna die in this movie, I swear, And so he comes back even though he should have dined,

and he's just Matt. And then there's like a turning point where all of a sudden, like you're saying, like the broad offensive trades we were introduced to go away, and all of a sudden, like Lyle comes over to them and is like condescending to them about like I have this polaroid camera and cigarettes and cigars and in exchange,

I'm going to take your land. Like he's using the most colonizer colonizer language ever and they know exactly what a polaroid camera is and they're laughing at him, and then for the rest of the movie they're laughing at him and he falls into a pile of shit, and then they say, two camera, we're laughing at him. But like it's like the line, it's such a funny line. It's a good line. The line is bad guy falls

in poop, classical element of physical comedy. Now comes the part where we throw our heads back and laugh, and then they do it. Then they do It's like, have you guys taken a UCB class? Oh, they're they're giving hard three one. Yeah, but yeah, the movie it's almost as if the movie for the first few minutes wants you to make an assumption about the characters as being like oblivious and they don't understand what's going on on

and they don't know things. And then it's there's a hard turn where it's like, oh, shame on you for thinking that they speak English this whole time and they know they're like far more aware of everything than especially Lyle. But we only thought that because you character it that way. And also it's like there's all those different assumptions of that the movie makes of like they spoke English the whole time is such a loaded thing, Like why do you have to speak English to be considered to be

a civilized, respectable person. Colonialism, Like there's kind of like all of these like subtle things at play that this

movie is in no way equipped to handle. But even with like the tone that this movie is taken on, like you're totally right where the porters should first of all have names, because they do have like pretty distinct personalities for like side characters basically, And also, this is a movie that takes place in the African jungle, and every black character is very much a side character, which is ridiculous. Hollywood movies set in Africa still are always

about white guys. Yeah, they're yeah, and mister Quam, I think, is like the most the most characterized of the group, But it's also like that's mostly just because he has a name and he appears in multiple scenes and he's played by a very famous person, but it's not like he's given really much of Like the porters and mister Quame are there to make fun of Lyle, which is

an admirable task. Yeah, it's important to enjoy when Lyle falls into a pile of shit, But I just feel like there's like more room in the story to give them more of a story or like kind of like you don't even need like Lyle's goons or anything like that kind of other characters to make space for them. You know, Lyle's goons, who are given far more characterization and names than when they're the fucking like dog nappers from one hundred and one Dalmatians. You're just like, who

are these guys? Get them out of the movie and like make room for people. You know. Yeah, that was really frustrating. And yeah, and also like the actors who played the Porters were so fucking funny. It was so like every line was so good. Yeah, and then that sort of like brings us to Lyle. Who is I mean, I feel like Lyle. I don't know. I've we've talked about the different tropes over the years of like there's very often especially in like movies for younger audiences, but

sometimes for grown ass people as well. You know, it's like you see like a huge societal issue that's like completely boiled down to one character and their sins, and it's like patriarchy the guy, And if you can defeat patriarchy the guy, then the world turns into the windows two thousand screensaver, you know, like every think is amazing all of a sudden, or like capitalism the guy. We've like talked about that sort of thing, and Lyle sort

of seems to be like colonialism the guy. And if you defeat colonialism the guy, you defeat colonialism, which of course is like overly simplistic and very much not true. And it's also fun to watch colonialism the guy fall into a pile of shit face first. Yeah, it's very satisfying. Yeah, I guess I appreciate that the movie recognizes him as

the villain. I don't know, I mean, because like colonialism is not always demonized in movies, so especially not in the nineties, Like it's like glorified in the nineties very often.

But because but I feel like the offset of that, of like making Lyle colonialism the guy that like removes pressure from other white characters like Ursula, who is doing like jungle tourism and like is a US fun kid touring the African jungle in ways that I think is like that's open for discussion, right, you know, But because Lyle is so diabolical, it sort of removes the pressure from other white characters in the movie from what they're complicit in. True, Um, well this is a fun compo.

Um I did like, but but also like, okay, so Lyle is a lot of things. The guy. He is colonialism the guy, which he is punished for to extent. I think that they should like kill him, but when but you can't do that in the movie. He's also misogyny the guy. He comes up to Ursula the first time that they speak, and he goes the jungle loves you,

You're beautiful, like he also tries to do. He gaslights her a little later because when he shows up after she's been rescued by George, she's like, I remember what happened when the lion showed up, Like you left or like you tried to run away, And he's like, what are you talking about? I was fighting the lion the

whole time. You just don't remember because you were so terrified, right right, I mean he's he's the worst, and like he um, you see after George takes Ursula away, he knows exactly what's happened and then he like bursts a bunch of berries on his arm. Um that I bet if we looked up, we're not native to Africa. I bet they were from like, uh, Massachusetts, but he like, you know, exploded a couple of Massachusetts cranberries on his forearm and is like, no, I you know, he like

makes up a lie, a coward. He is a very effective villain because he is he is the most evil and only Holland Taylor likes him and she's the other

most evil character. Yes, but I mean later in the movie it's it's the other moment with the Porters that I wanted to shout out was that that does sort of come back where whenever Lyle tries to use a Swahili phrasebook, he says something that makes no sense, and the way that I feel like anytime someone's using a phrasebook in a movie, they're like, I can't think of something,

I don't know, but I know what you mean. It's a it's a classic formula for yeah, and this time I was not laughing, but it only like sort of makes the Porters angrier at him, and then over time they do seem determined to like bail on him and leave him for dead, which at that point is extremely earned and sort of was from the beginning, because why is he there? What is his job? That was my question, what is his job? Oh? Yeah, don't. I mean, I mean you could ask that question of Ursula too, because

I was like, oh, she's a YouTuber. Well she does. She's like, I have to go to work, George, so stay at my apartment. But then like she's kind of just walking around like where I don't know. She goes to see but when she says she's going to work, she goes and says hi to her dad at the bank. Oh right, which is like she's a bank heiress. That's her whole things. And a round of applause for that. Now I'm kidding. Um, yes, Caitlin, Bank of America. M yeah,

I mean, but what does any rich person's job? You know, we don't know what her job is. We don't know what Lyle's job is. But what do rich people do? I don't understand. Are you defending them like I'm in a way in a way the movies, No, I'm saying that. Um, I don't know what I'm saying. I do think if this movie was made today, Ursula would be making a shitty podcast. Um, can we talk about Ursula? I would

love to talk about Ursula. Okay, So, like her character exists in the story because she's Georgia Jungle romantic interest, and so there's some interesting things happening there, such as there's the Born Sexy Yesterday trope but inverted right. Yes, they did a Ghostbusters twenty sixteen. They gender swamped that.

And for anyone who's not familiar with the Born Sexy Yesterday trope, it's a like sci fi trope that or it's like mostly a sci fi trope that is characterized by usually a woman being like an alien or a like cyborg or like some kind of like sci fi thing and fallsome love the first man she meets. Generally, it's I mean, it's like an extension of like sexy baby ideology right where it's like Bill Paxton shakes you up.

One day you're like a goo goo ga ga, and then you're and then three days later but but but you have like huge naturals, and one week later you marry Bill Paxton and everyone's like yeah, and then you win an oscar. It's like pretty wild. It's yeah, it's a woman who have like a fully formed, mature adult woman body but like the mind of a baby more or less, and she has to be taught things by the first man she meets and she usually falls in love with him. He teaches her about like sex and

stuff like that. Yeah, the fifth Element, I feel like it's kind of like the quintessential example of that. But it is really like it's a short It's like a writing shortcut, not only if you want to underwrite a woman, but also if you want to make a very boring man seem more interesting, where like you have like a really boring male protagonist and he's like, oh, yeah, this is like three plus three and then she goes, oh god,

and he goes yeah. So in this case, in this movie, it's like switched because this time it's a man who doesn't know anything and who falls in love with the first woman he sees, who he doesn't even realize is a woman until he's like cold compressing her boobs and he's like, what are these? Well, I felt like it was like there, I mean, there is like born Sexy Yesterday traits into like the way that it's played. But also I felt like the movie took a fair amount

of time to show that. It was like, even though everything about George of the Jungles world is completely fucking made up because it's a cartoon, but there was like some sort of exchange where like he showed her his world I thought in a more equitable way where when she didn't understand what things were, he would just tell her what it was and like wouldn't challenge her to Like an example that stood out to be was when

Ursula was staying in George's treehouse. He didn't pressure her to like change the way she was dressing at all. She was wearing her own clothes the whole time. If she didn't understand what was going on, He's like, oh, this is what this is is And I didn't feel it lazy put like too much pressure on her to

join or not join. But then when George goes to San Francisco, Ursela's like, you gotta get in ARMANI, we're going to Emon Marcus like she Actually, I think in another inverted way where I feel like you more often see in the Bourne Sexy Yesterday trope, like the person who is like falling in love with the Bourne Sexy Yesterday character, They're like, you have to assimilate to what I'm doing. And in a way that like George doesn't do to her. He's just like is interested in her,

and it's like, this is what I do. Do you like this? And she does. But then they go to San Francisco and she's just like take that dress off. You're wearing a tuxedo, and you're like to where where? Like why does they need an Armani tuxedo? Like he looked nice in that dress, any I mean he looked nice in everything he wore. It was Brendan Fraser, Like he looked amazing. But it was just like, I thought it was interesting that he didn't put pressure on her

to assemily, but that wasn't true in the reverse. The narrator even says something like Ursula, being of a conservative mind regarding gender roles, takes George shopping at Nieman's or whatever. But also she's a bank heiress, so that's just hyper realism. Yeah you think she's voting dec she's voting blue no matter who. Yeah. But yeah, so so there's that interesting component of their relationship. But yeah, there's like there's ways

that that is subverted. Where again, in the traditional born Sexy Yesterday trope, it would be like the man teaching the woman about like here's how to kiss and love me. But there's they're gonna get I'm a virginum. But in this case it's not like, well, first of all, he's learning sex from Ape, like how sex works, but it's just fucking with him anyways. Ape is a bully um.

And then we go see his show in Vegas. Honestly, yeah sure, and then George is like, Oh, there's this coffee commercial that's gonna teach me how to love and then he figures and then he figures it out on his own. That's what happens in the movie. What I guess We're just gonna let that slide. He Okay, he sees a coffee commercial and then what and then he does what. I'm not saying it's right, but his reaction is, Oh,

this is how I'll get Ursula to love me. The killed Georgy said, no, don't worry about it, don't worry about it, don't worry about worry to protect them today. Okay, what is it? He said? You wait, you really don't know, buddy, one of these Oh I've heard he said. He had a can of vodka mule. Yeah, your Freddy and slip it all over the place like it's the fucking water park. I say, like he said, he fingers it out on his phone, which would have been really interesting to watch.

Wait did everyone hear that? Yeah? Everyone heard that. Okay, we're gonna okay, James, No, No, we're gonna figure this out together. So he figures yeah on his own and then he fingers her um, and she was like, who fuck? While, UM, I do I do like that Ursula like there is a certain amount of because like, I think there are

moments within Ursula and George's relationship that are up for question. However, Cathartic I thought to see Ursula be it felt like her parents were pressuring her to be in a relationship with Lyle, because he was like, if like a rich person arranged marriage kind of thing for sure, um. And also they look a lot alike, and you're just like, oh, I don't want to I don't want this, um, And

she doesn't want this. And the second she met someone she was actually interested in, she kind of just started. She didn't just like not care when Lyle was held captive.

I loved how the second he was like, there's multiple times where she's like mentioning that Lyle's in jail on another continent but murder right, but only because it's inconvenient to her today, She's like, well, I have to, like I'm supposed to bring Lyle, but he's in jail in Africa, and like she just doesn't give a shit about him.

And I think it is like fun to see a woman who's being forced into a marriage she doesn't want, just like get to say shit like that and be like, yeah, my Hembo's on TV at the Bay Bridge and okay, ink you San Francisco. There No, but like that, she's just like, yeah, fuck while, like I met someone I actually like and to see her like actually enjoy yourself a little bit. That said, I do think her family votes read in every single election and always has. Yeah, scary.

Well that brings up the Okay, we've covered a lot of movies recently that involve a love triangle um specifically a woman having to choose between two men. Some of these episodes haven't come out yet at the time of this live show, but we've got this love triangle in this movie called Titanic. There there's and we've never covered it before. That's so weird, but yeah, there's a love triangle in Georgia the Jungle. We have an upcoming episode

on Sweet Home Alabama, where there's a love triangle. We have an upcoming episode on something New, and then of course Titanic. Let's take a little detour to examine the parallels between George or the Jungle and Titanic. Shy, because I mean it's nineteen ninety seven, literally the same year, and Georgia the Jungle comes out first, and so I have to imagine James Cameron in his forty five story tall house underground, shaking in his boots when he sees

this damp. He's like, oh no, they're coming for me. Because the parallels are shocking, are shocking. Yes, starting with yeah, curly haired high society woman is engaged to an evil rich man and his hair it's flopping around and he and he can stop saying fiance. Yes. Then we've got another man who has no material wealth and and so, and in one of the movies, no material who saves the rich woman from death m okay, and she starts to fall in love with this quote unquote poor man.

I mean you said that, like George of the Jungle had money somewhere, not actually poor Yeah, right, okay. Then the poor man gets a makeover and tries on a suit to adhere to the standards of the rich people. M Okay, then we've got the woman has an uptight mother with a Transatlantic accent who tries to keep her daughter away from the poor man so that the rich

daughter will marry the evil rich fiance. The poor man has to save the rich woman from a boat catastrophe at the end, and how and to give George of the Jungle the edge in this regard only how amazing? What did it happen if Jack Dawson had whacked into one of those smokestacks, that was a bigness. What if Jack Dawson Kareem's into one of those Titanic smokestacks, And that's what this is, That's what knocks it over kills Fabricio. Whoa, They're like, watch up for that. Yeah, I mean Jack

Jack Jacob Titanic. It rights itself, my fiance. And then the final thing I noticed is that the rich lady wears a necklace with a jewel on it, and that necklace is called attention to several times. Yes, and Georgia the Jungle also has his own his own necklace. And I liked that bit where Ursula makes a little assumption about him and is like, oh, did you I forget what the animal? He did? You fight a crocodile? Yes? And then he's like, I did a dental procedure on

the crocodile. They're like, okay, Brendan Fraser literal genius. Interesting, He's not going to go out there and fight. He's so gentle and so sweet. I guess to sort of put a button on how their relationship. I think, honestly, there's a lot of movies that came out this same year that did much worse with building a convincing and like somewhat equitable relationship. I at least get why George

and Ursula like each other. It doesn't feel I mean, in a movie that feels really really forced and contrived in a lot of ways on purpose, I thought it was good. Like I just they're sweet together. And also I feel like trust fund kids and people who grew up and were raised by like monkeys have a lot in common, and they're both sort of like we we both don't know how the world works, and let's not follow rule. Rules aren't applied to us, you know, And

in that way it's kind of beautiful. They're both so sexy. I don't know. I had a quick thing about Brendan Frasier in this movie specifically because there was Brendan Frasier. He's going through you know, he's going through his renaissance, and yeah, we said I did not come up with that, but I wish I had. But Brendan Frasier is like experiencing this resurgence and the movie he's resurging for we don't have time, but he is experiencing our resurgence and

people are excited about it. So he's been talking a lot about sort of his like first Hollywood like Leading Man Heyday and Georgia the Jungle is kind of like smack in the middle of that. And I found an interview from late last year where I mean, I guess, like even us, like when we talk about Georgia of the Jungle, it's like Brendan Frasier is ripped in that movie, like he's so Hollywood handsome that it's like he's he's

basically naked the whole movie, like it's it's wild. And he did one of the actor on actor interviews with Adam Sandler late last year and talks about like how he had a full blown eating disorder for the entire time of this movie, and to the point where it like affected his like ability to just like for his

brain to work. I look, it's late in the show and I'm bringing this up, but he said that he starved himself of carbohydrates for months at a time, which is really dangerous to look the way that he does. In George of the Jungle, he said, quote, I would drive home after work and stop to get something to eat. I needed some cash one time, and I went to the ATM and I couldn't remember my pin number because my brain was misfiring, and so I didn't eat that night.

And yeah, okay, guys, he's fine. Now, it's just remember back to when I accidentally said finger. But I did, like, I think that Brandon Fraser is kind of one of the few Hollywood leading men who has actually spoken to this in terms of, like we talk about it all the time, because I do think it disproportionately affects women and fems, but it does also affect men, and Brendan Fraser is kind of one of the only people that has sort of spoken to that over the years on

a number of issues. And the other person who has interestingly is Zachster, who we love. He also said that he went for years without ever eating carbs and saying that like it affected his brain and ability to do basic things. And then he spoke about this, I think ironically and also m really in a funny way when they revealed his wax sculpture of his like abs at Madame Tissot's, He's like, yeah, whooo, I think this is very dangerous though, which is like pretty iconic to do

to undercut the event so severely. But but like, you know, it's like the there there are on the pressures put on um people of all genders who are expected to look a very particular way. And this movie is you know, even if you love it, which I do, I love the part when he fingers the cone um, but like it.

You know, I appreciated that he he's able to and that like there has been sort of I guess enough of a cultural shift, not entirely, but it's some some sort of cultural shift where he's he feels like he can he can talk about it now. M Yeah wow. But here's a question, Yeah, does this movie pass the backdel tists not to go full bamby what was my name Bamby orwell Bamby orwell I like that you made it up. So yeah, it does pass the Backdel test.

In the scene where Uh Ursula's mom, who is named Beatrice I believe, Uh says do you have a fever, how's your temperature? What color is your tongue? And what is your vagina like right now? And in so many words? And um, she says in the Pig movie, yeah, yeah, yeah, and Ursula says, it's all normal. First of all, what even is a quote unquote normal vagina? Ursula. Secondly, it

does pass the Backtel test. You're nitpicking there, Ursula, I should have said in the movie and to me, here's what a normal vagina means, and then describes her on to her and she was like, and then it got fingered by by George. You're happy. Um, yeah it does. It passes a couple different times, but that was my favorite by a long shot. You would think with the best friend character Betsy, it would pass more. Here's where

I found it past. The only time between the two of them in multiple scenes together, Hello Hello, which is narratively impactful because we hadn't seen her before. That's true. But other than that, She's like, hello, Hello, Hubba Hubba, and then that just kind of like that's kind of the rest of the movie. Yeah, so it's not it's not an extreme past. I well, I wanted to give a quick shout out there. There were two credited writers

on this movie. Um, one of whom is a woman, Audrey Wells, who wrote a number of kind of classics of the aughts. She also wrote Disney's The Kid, Remember that one she wrote under the Tuscan Sun. My mom got so fucked up over that one. Shall we dance? Same story? And Um. Then the last screenplay shot up before she passed away in twenty eighteen was The Hate You Give. So she's a very legendary, respected, wonderful screenwriter that was gone too soon. So it was nice that

there there was. And I feel like, you know, even though I wouldn't say that you could make a mad max argument that this is really a woman's story, there are I mean, I think like, because of Audrey Wells's work, I would guess that that women are you know, more present in the work than they would have been otherwise. M true, very true. Yeah. What about our nipple scale? Though? Are the one metric metric where we rate the metric

movie WHOA Lord Are the Rings? Reference Jamie, I cannot answer any follow up cross Well, this is our metric where we rate the movie on a scale of zero to five nipples based on how affairs Looking at it from an intersectional feminist lens um, I would say, hmmm, this, it's like, yeah, I mean, I'll let me talk through it for a moment. We've got is Ursula damseled a

number of times? Does she think constantly? But does she also later save George at the end for one second and then and then he she does pass out, and then he also drops her and she's like, I want to tell you that I love you, and he's like, there's no time to talk right now, and then he drops her on the ground, and then he keeps fighting the bad guys. So that's not maybe the best. It's not the best when he licks her face while she's unconscious,

and yet I am rooting for them. Mistakes were made, okay, because well, I was starting to talk about like the love triangle relationship dynamic that's so prevalent in so many movies where it's just like, yeah, I want her to pick George obviously, and I do hope they stay together forever. If away just like make halland Taylor upset. Um and I know, I mean not the real Holland Taylor. I want her to be so happy, for sure. But but yeah, no,

I mean I I was rooting for that relationship. It seems like they were happy together, although you know she unquestionably I don't know. I mean, I guess it would have been worse if George moved to Sam I'm sorry, there would it would have been worse. I just really

I remembered where we were. No, but like, it makes more sense that she would move there than he would move to where she was, because it seemed like she didn't want to be there anyways, right, But yeah, it does mean that she has to give up her question mark job. She has to give up her job and family that she loves. But I don't know that she loves her family or has a job. And that's a

conversation for another day. Sure sure, sure, um, So we've got that, We've got the very underdeveloped characters of the Porters and mister Quame a general misrepresentation of Africa in general, for sure, and in a movie that largely takes place in Africa to be mostly about white people, is um. I mean, it's a very Hollywood thing to do, but it's not. We don't like it. It's bad. How many fingers are you going to give the movie? Um? I'll give it one and a half fingigers. And where are

you putting those fingers? Well, I think it's important that I give one or I put I put a finger into our special guests on the show Bamby. They would love in that. Oh my god, they would flip. And then my half finger, just the tip I will put this is horrible. Um, I'll put my half finger into No. I'm just okay. No, you said into no one, no one told you to do that. I'll put it into George. What about you, Jamie? Where are you putting your fingers? I look, this has nothing to really do with my

intellectual opinion. I just wanna you know, I'm I'm I'm throwing in two fingers because I want to have a good time one and a half. Come on, we're already here. You true fair for what? Okay, I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it two fingers, and I'm gonna give them. Well, I guess I don't know. You know, I'm gonna give them both to Betsy because it seems like she really wanted to do something with her fingers for sure, and I wish her the best in her future fingering endeavors.

And I think that that's feminist of me to do DoD feminine finger Um. So that is where the recording

cuts off. Luckily we were almost done with the show. Um, the part that got cut off, it is just us saying thanks to everyone who came out to the show, Thanks again to SF sketch Fest for having us, Thanks to our special guests Lauren D. Titanic and Bambi orwell was that your fake name, Jamie Bambi orwell, yeah, I think that those that okay, fake name, Hello, I'm so sorry, those are real people, our friend Kaitlyn d. Sorry, Lauren D. Titanic, Yeah, which is um not at all even close to being

an anagram of Kaitlyn Durante, so don't even try to make that connection. And Bambi or will like literally just not. It's just that's just the name of a human woman and a woman in stems, so watch your mouth, and a real person. So yeah, and a real human person is the best I can say for her, yeah, other than that she's I'm afraid of her. But thank you to Lauren and Bamby for lending their their cat facts, their animal facts in general. Depending on how much you

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