Frozen with Chris Farren

I'm still Caitlin Darante. We have a podcast called the Becktel Cast in which we discussed the portrayal and representation of women in cinema through a feminist lens, because, wouldn't you know it, Hollywood usually Fox up real bad when it comes to portraying women. Well, I'm struggling taking this baby Bell cheese out of its waxy container. Did you ever know that you can't eat the wax? Yeah, if

you think it's food. The first time you have baby Bell cheese, maybe you're I don't know, out on a date with someone and they're like, hey, do you want some baby Bell cheese, and you're like yeah, and then you just bite into it thinking there's no task to perform before you can Anyways, Well, that's a good example of a conversation that I think passed the Bechdel test and special what gender the date was right, and I won't now uh so I'm pretty yeah that passed the

Bechdel test. And if you're still curious what that is, I shall elaborate. Is a test that you apply to media like movies for example, that requires that two female characters speak to each other, they have names, and their conversation cannot be about a man. That is the try to bring a pussy saga again or pussy saga out from last week. I think we're extremely pussy staged out. Just talk to all our listeners out there who are on the pussy saga that is their life. We wish

you the best in your pussy saga. Yes, I just wanted to say it. Okay, anyway, it is mad at me. I don't understand why you're mad so soon. Yeah, it usually takes me like twenty minutes or so. I know, I'm getting things stressed and put tearing up my cheese into small pieces. No, I'm not mad. I'm happy that you brought up pussy saga, but I did want to just stay on track and say that the back of priest is what we use as a just a basis

for a larger conversation. So I say, without much further ado, we should introduce our guest, who is a wonderful person. He is a musician. He's a very funny person. Chris Farren. Hi, Hi guys, thanks for having me, Thanks for coming on the podcast. Chris, of course has been fully restrained with but because he is a trusted friend Bungee Cords. Yeah, thank you. A comfortable restraint. Yeah, I can move a little bit. Do we have the scary stuff? We have

sharper stuff, but that's for interrupters. A friend of mine, sorry, just interrupted me, Chris, and you have to go. I can leave al right. So, Chris, you have brought us the movie Frozen. Why did you pick this? Tell us about your history with this movie. Okay, so three years ago I saw this movie for the first time, and I just I really something about it really activated my mind, and I really really liked it, and I became obsessed

with it, no kidding. Yeah, And I had like merch that had frozen characters on it, Like I sold merch that said my name. But I also had frozen people probably illegal or definitely illegal. Well, when we were emailing us like with your few different movie picks, uh, and we were sort of deliberating which one to go with, and we're like, what if, what if we just do Frozen? And then we like combined your name with it, so it was like Chris Farrozen like f A R r

Z and that works. It works really well. You're both on everybody. Um, I should have done that for the shirt, and then like people who would come to my shows would start bringing me Frozen swag, So I did. I did, Yeah, for sure. I mean I still I still love it, but I am I have a tendency to get like all in on things and then I'm just like, well I think it was mostly And I'm sorry to anybody hearing this who maybe brought me stuff. Do you have

a scloosy right now? No? No, no, no no. I just I get pretty sick of it because of how much my own fault. I I like attached it to myself. My apartment's full of frozen, and I was I like kind of looked around one day, I was like, I don't like anything this much, and then I kind of started cooling off. Cooling off, would you say, and frozen the temperature of frozen, which is cold, and then keep going, keep going, keep going, don't stop. It's him stopping, much

like flowing water does when it gets frozen. It stops. Yes, okay, that's cool, a good job. But again, I say thank you to anybody who ever brought me any sort of frozen gift. Yes, here's the thing. We often get tweets, Facebook messages, different methods of correspondence from fans. Some of them are men, asking us to not have so many men on the podcast, I think, and we're we're we hear you, We're listening to our but sometimes we're ignoring

as well. Something I think the reason that we still have on male guests because often they are wonderful, and our fans acknowledge that. But I think it's important to in a situation like yours, where you loved the movie Frozen and you brought it to us, like this movie was intended largely for like young girl audiences like you wouldn't expect a grown adult man to like really have this movie resonate with them, So I think it's interesting and good to include the representation of a grown wow

man like I'm being roasted almost, but it's nice. I did like how you slowed your spears, slowed the sound when you're like a full grown who likes Frozen, and that's good that that exists too. That's how my mom would talk to me when she thought I was like doing something fucked up too much, but it wasn't illegal, you know. She's like, well, I think it's interesting that you eat dog suit, and I can't tell you know,

love it anyway. What I'm going to say, Chris is we're very happy you're here, and I'm happy to be and we like you so much and we're so glad you brought us the movie Frozen. This is my first time seeing this movie this morning. I didn't know. And I love a princess movie and all the problems that

come with it, but I love a princess movie. I think the reason that I did not see this movie is because when this movie came out, I was a substitute teacher in elementary school and it would be all they would talk about and it was horrible and it was just total And my mom is a teacher as well,

and so this is my cousin. It was just like there was a lot of adult fatigue coming off this movie because it was so popular and in a way that like few movies are anymore, Like it's like a movie's just everyone has seen it, to the point where when I was a substitute Jim teacher brag, I would could literally coerce the children into I'm just like have the time with the ball over there, and then at the end of class, I will play let it go if you do what I tell you the whole class,

and they would do it. Because kids, there's something is activated within them when they hear that song. Or was a couple of years ago, but I think still is like every child on the planet has seen this movie and likes it. Yeah, when that song started when I watched it today, when it started, I was thinking, okay, this is overplayed this song, and then about halfway through it, I was like, I love this song song. I was so excited when she like lets her hair down and

then her outfit changes. It's so cool. It's a very empowering song for her and moment in the movie. Yeah. Yeah, I saw the movie for the first time. I don't think I saw it in the theater, but I think I saw like right after, like when it came out on DVD and Cait Loves That's Cool has more DVDs than anyone I know. Most of them were bought between the years of like two thousand two and two thousand ten. Will say that hardly bought any in the past several years.

But I don't even have a DVD damn player. Wow is that counter the counterculture has ever had? I don't have a DVD player or a TV v Thank you so much, I know so Anyway, I saw this movie shortly after it came out, and it did not quite resonate with me the same way it did for you. I was like, Oh, it's cute, it's okay. But um, I only saw Frozen that one time before rewatching it yesterday, and I don't think it's a good movie. Like I

think the story is flimsy. I think overall it is net positive in what messages it sends, especially considering the intended audience. But like I compared this movie to Mowanna and Molanna is its characters are so much better. It's scripted so much tighter, like the songs a lot better, like the animations a lot better. Molanna does feel like more of a fully realized movie. There's parts of Frozen that feel incomplete kind of you. We're just like thrown together.

It's like, why is all off there? Like I get why he's there, but like it doesn't serve the story. I hate that he's Yeah, that's a hill I'll die on. I was arguing in the car over here. I think that if Josh God is in the movie at all, it cannot pass the backtel No, if he is on

the roster, it cannot. I don't know why I have such a visceral hatred of Josh Gad, but I do want to steal his lunch money and throw him in a trash, which is just I just want to say that we on the backtel cast do not endorse bullying, except as it pretends to Josh. There's always an asterisk her Herd's not mine. Uh should I do the recap? Yes? Okay. So Frozen centers around two sisters, one named Anna and

one named Elsa. They are very close as children. Something about Elsa's that she has these like kind of magical ice powers where she can conjure up snow and she can turn anything into ice and also create snowmen who are anthropomorphized, and she can she just summon josh Kad,

which is more of a curse than anything else. And yeah, so she has all these powers that are getting stronger with age and that are like exacerbated when she's feeling feelings, and while she's like, they're like playing with her magical powers. Elsa injured, Anna and her parents have to take her to these true magical things. They're cute, they are fine, they're made of stones, and they don't get why they're there. So the troll King is like, we have to erase

all of your memories of Elsa having powers. So then Elsa kind of goes into seclusion because like she's encouraged by her family to not use her powers, and she's becomes like a bit of a shut in. And then their parents die, and then of course at least both of them die true subverting them at least both of them, because subverting the normal princess option, they become total orphans.

They go full orphan. And then a few years later, Elsa comes of age and she is about to have the coordination ceremony where she will become queen, and she's nervous because she's like, what if my powers come through because no one knows about them, including Anna because her memory has been erased. And then all these visitors come for the coronation, including this guy Hans, who Anna falls in love with immediately and they get engaged. Yes. Then Anna goes to Elsa and she's like, do you give

us your blessing for us to get married? And also is like no, that's stupid. And also ice everywhere and her powers are unleashed and everyone's like, oh my god, she's a monster. So she runs away and builds an ice castle on a mountain, as you do. And it's a beautiful castle. It is cute, stunning back into it, I would say it's like not very well furnished, but she can do whatever she wants. I don't even think she ever sleeps. Maybe not. She doesn't need no lounge furniture. Yeah,

she's just walking around looking at stuff freezing this. Have you guys heard about the the fan theory that brings together Tangled and Frozen and Little Mermaid? It is it brings together a lot of white princesses. So you see at the core nation scene because I knew to look for this, even though I've never seen Frozen, Rapunzel is there, um because you know, how at the end of Tangles she has like that brown haircut, and but she's there. You can there's like a screenshot that was like an

intentional Easter egg. But then one fan took it like all the way and assumed that Anna and Elsa's parents gotten a boat accident on the way to Rapunzel's wedding and the boat sank, which is why Rapunzel would feel like she has to come to the coronation three years later because the parents died on the way to the wedding. Also, Tangle came out three years before Frozen, and then Frozen

says three years later, so that there's that connection. Then the sunken boat that the parents dying is the shipwreck at the beginning of The Little Mermaid that Aerial explores, Well, that shipwreck. I mean, we're led to believe that all of this stuff happens in Frozen in like some Scandinavian culture. I believe for Nordic some something like that, right, but whereas but I don't know where they would be going.

I don't know where Rapuzzal takes place, because they would be somewhere between somewhere and then Ariel, I don't even know where she is. It's all vaguely Europe. Little Mermaid happens, I believe in the Caribbean when but there's only white people there. Well, it's like colonialism that are They're like, it's like all the white I don't know if they're French or something, but they're all um, you know, inhabiting those Caribbean islands. Oh wait, there's no there's maps. No, okay, no,

it tracks Norway Denmark is I believe Little Mermaid Germany. Okay, those are three. I don't have any information beyond Norway, Denmark, Germany. Those are the three countries that is written on the BuzzFeed article The train Journalist. Anyways, that's a fun I mean, it's a fun idea to entertain. Yeah, of course. Anyway, Okay, So Elsa builds her eyes castle and in so doing

like it unleashows this internal eternal eternal winter. So all like the townspeople, they're like no, oh no. So Anna is like, oh, I have to go to Elsa and get her back so that she can be my sister

again and get rid of this eternal winter. In so doing, she meets Christoph, who helps her get up the mountain and then on a conference Elsa and she's like, no, you have to stay away from me because you won't be safe and I'm going to put you in danger, and then immediately creates a giant snow monster to chase her away, you know, to keep her safe. A weird,

A weird. There's so many things that happened in this movie that, like, because it's been four years since it came out, I was like, this is not what I thought happened in this movie, Like, it doesn't follow the storyline I had in my head. There's a lot of weird ship in Elsa's defense of creating the snow monster. Why did she do that? She was just she just made him. And then all the Snowmonster initially did was

just pick him up and just throw him out. And then Anna threw a snowball at him, which is yeah, but he which is rude, which is aggressive. Yeah, that's aggressive. Yeah. I still think that he was in the wrong and that the snow Monster. Yes, and Elsa was wrong for creating such an entity that was capable of such evil. That's misguided yet yeah. Yeah, But she also doesn't seem to have a lot of She doesn't seem to have very good control of her powers, which is why she

secludes herself. So in some ways, by them showing up, she's like, I can't control my powers. I'm not ready. She's not totally like they're like, no, you just don't believe in yourself. It's like no, but also she clearly does. She also can't do she can't. Yeah, I see that anyway. So they have to return to Aaron del Oh because in this like interaction that Anna and Elsa have, Elsa accidentally attacks her with her ice magic again, but this time in her heart, and they go to Kristof's family

and friends, which are again the Stone Troll people. They're there whenever anyway. So the Troll King is like, oh, whenever the ice magic attacks you in the heart, the only way to fix that is an act of true love. So they interpret that to mean that Anna needs to receive love true kiss from her new fiance Hans. So they rushed back to the castle, but Hans is like, actually, I'm a murderer. Was here just a plot and conspire against you to steal the throne? Here to plot? Hey?

When he's actually you think you in love? But I just I wish I could have said that all the way through. So then Anna is like dying and Kristof is like, oh, ship, I have to go back because I actually love unlike Hans. And then Elsa is like, wait, I fucked everything up. I almost killed my sister. I have to go back to Arendel too. So there's this

like confrontation. Hans is about to kill Elsa, and Anna sacrifices herself to save Elsa, which is the act of true love that was needed to melt her icy heart and bring her back to life. Love it. And then like Hans gets arrested, Anna and Christophe share a kiss, and then that's pretty much the end of the movie and they're like, oh my god, it's summer again, and

oh love is what thaws everything. So I just have to feel love because Elsa had been told not to feel anything, and now she's like, what Conzila, don't feel exactly, but if I feel, so everything's fixed and al office still there. Why doesn't someone take a blowtorch to that thing? It's awful? The opposite of that, they give him a snows carry him around and his own little Netflix special or whatever. The fun. Oh no, wait, there's that thing

that what movie did that play before Coco? There was a twenty two minute long Disney short that played in front of Cocoa, and it was the worst thing I've ever seen in my life and I'm so People were so upset about that that they stopped showing it. They were like, there's a half hour Josh gad joint, Like, no one would pay for that. It has to be foisted upon you, God, Josh Gada. So that's the story of Frozen. Thanks for the cat, Thank you so much.

Here's some initial thoughts I have. Okay, well, Jamie, you mentioned both the parents dying, so subverting the trope, because most Disney movies, especially ones that are fairy tales, have like the dead mom trope where it's a princess and she has no mom but her dad is still around. This movie, both of her parents are alive, but if

you notice, her mom doesn't say anything. She is there, but it's like the king who does all the talking and makes all the decision and the mother I don't think has a single line, not that I notice, but it's bizarre because it's like they do a few shots on her giving a meaningful look, and it's like, why

can't she just say something? Because there it would be kind of interesting to have introduced that into the dynamic of the parents of like, I wouldn't think it would be out of the realm of possibility, for like, obviously the king has the final word because literal patriarchy. But to see the queen be like, maybe we shouldn't do this, Maybe we shouldn't force our daughters to be separate their whole life, just like a line of that would have

been helpful. But you see her give I think at one point she gives Anna like this look of like yeah, it sucks, don't it, But she doesn't say anything. I was frustrated by that. Yeah, I think there was easily an opportunity to introduce that sort of dynamic. Cut the scene where all Off is imagining what summer would be like for him, Like that doesn't need to be there, good mouth bit me I have so much Like those scenes do not advance the story at all. They shouldn't

be there. There should be more time developing, yeah, like something like the mother character. Instead we have a snowman on a beach. Hilarious. So glad it's there. I honestly like the second that song hit. I was like, I knew this was coming, and I'm fast forwarding this ship.

But yeah, I mean, even from like a story standpoint, if we're even putting gender aside, like we're not attached to the parent characters at all because they are sort of just like mean and misguided and they die and you feel bad because you like Anna and Elsa, but not because you like had any attachment to the right, so you're like, oh, they just sucked. Yeah. So then a few story beats later, it's Coronation Day, and um,

there's a whole song. There's a whole song in which Anna sings about how she she's so excited for the people to come because she's been so lonely, which makes sense, like she's basically like, how to get rid of most of the staff and the castle princesses can't stop being locked in their home, right, Princess under House arrested, So it makes sense that she's excited. But then the song basically shifts to the focus is her like, oh my god, what if I meet the one I'm so excited to

fall him up today? And then so this story is mostly about her relationship with her sister, but a large part of her motivation. Of Anna's motivation is falling in love with and being in a relationship with a man. I get why they're doing that, because this is still a fairy tale, and that trope of her whole desire being to fall in love with a man and to end up with a man is subverted at the end. But it's just I don't know, it's just like, well,

why can't we just eliminate that altogether? Yeah, I think that this is like in a way that Moanna fortunately doesn't frozen, like kind of tries to have its cake and eat it too, with a lot of the commentary it's making with like oh yeah, like Anna realizes she doesn't mean a man, she still ends up with, but you know, so it's it's like we're presented with I mean, I didn't even really have that much of a problem with the coronation thing because I feel like it was

commented on enough of like, oh, love at first sight with strangers is uh a scary concept to teach the children, uh,

and don't do that. And then she, you know, we then see her get to know a guy and then end up with him, which isn't the worst, but it's like then Disney still has its way with like one of the princesses ends up with a guy at the end, and it's the context is shifted a little, but not quite enough for it to be like and it was subverted because it don't it's like like the way there or not even that much because initially what they said, it's the concept of the movie was to have a

movie that wasn't about romantic love, which I think they tried to do, but they but then she still has cost these characters who end up being loved triangle, right, right, Yeah, And I feel like the way that they try to talk that off is like, well but there's two princesses and only one of them ends up with the guy.

But it's like, no, that's not how that works. That's yeah, it's frustrating because it's like, it's not that I even have a problem with someone ending up with someone, but it's like, then, don't say you're making this commentary if you're gonna have her end up with a guy at the end, because then you're not really doing what you said you're doing. I mean, I can see it where like their relationship isn't the focus of the story. But it is enough of a part of it that you

can't ignore it. So yeah, I have kind of mixed feelings about it. And then the switch that they go back because they're like, oh, we have to go find Hans because love like that pushes such a large part of the story. But then it's like, oh, well, she realizes that's not what it is. But then it's like, oh, this is. But then now she's just gonna marry this reindeer guy who's to her, who negs her constantly, always telling her to calm down because women be so emotional.

And it's like, dude, you hang out with a reindeer all your life, your whole life, yeah, your only friend and trolls. Let's apply let's apply the test there, Steve Bushey hanging out with a reindeer his whole life, meets a lady. He's a killer. He's not a love interest, all right, because the movie opens with like young Christoph and he's like harvesting ice because he's in the ice business. That's the worst song, by the way, it's a really

bad song. That's the worst song. That's the worst type of song in any Why is it in the movie, Like, why do why do we open off that? That's insane. I don't understand what they're really doing either. They're just like mining ice, their ice prospectors. Yeah yeah, where do they bring it? And they better get it there fast? Hold right, it'll melt. That's the worst song. Second worst song is the one where she's getting ready for the party. I have a mental ranking. Oh yeah, wait, what are

your hot rankings of the song? Okay, I gotta write this down. Yeah, pull up, pull up the soundtrack, figure this out, all right. I am genuinely so from memory that we've got and I don't know the names of him. Okay, so we got ice, guys. Making ice is the worst song. Worst and the next worst is getting ready for the party first time and forever is what it's called. Love is an open door. Uh snow man, I would not die in the heat. Third worst, And then we have

the troll song. Oh right, the fixer upper, fixer Upper. It's actually a pretty good song. Uh so I'm gonna say, build a snowman. Chris is a professional music right, so what he says what I say goes, Yes, this is hey, this is your wheelhouse. Yes, we're letting you fly. Okay, so worst, second worst worst, and then Bill the Snowman is fourth but not worst. It's getting good. Now, I did my ranking really weird, and then I would say fix her upper fifth worst it was actually pretty good.

And then sixth worst is love his Open Door, which is actually a very good song, and then seventh worst just let it go and seven words equals the best seventh worst. Yeah, there are only seven songs. That's I have another big issue. Maybe you're forgetting one or two, but I feel like there's a lot of mini songs where you're starts his Little Reindeer song in the in the Shed that's not kindudn't even count. But the ice song,

the ice grunt song, is still worse than that song. Right, But like the last half hour of the movie, no songs, which bothers me the trouble. They're too busy, they're too busy doing stuff, but they should have a song if

that's all. It totally weird. Like, Yeah, I was reading through and I think that this is kind of like emblematic of how hard it is to get a cohesive, cogent story about women told at all, especially on this high level where it's all I mean, it's like John Lassetter, which is a whole other thing to unpack because he was very involved in this. But like, if you read through the writing process of this movie, it's crazy how

much changes over the course of time. Where it starts out good sister, evil sister, where Else's pure evil and she frees it on his heart on purpose. Yeah, like women on women straight up, like sisters hating each other for basically no reason. And they brought in a female screenwriter, Jennifer Lee, who also co directs the movie also wrote

the screenplay for Wreck It ralph Um. But they do another draft of it, and this time it's like Else' is less mean, but she still is hurting Anna on purpose because she's jealous of her, and like, but that's like how these movies have always been written of, Like if we're putting in on like you know, a princess in any stepmother, any second wife, that's like the dynamic.

And when you go through the history of it took a couple of years for this movie to get written in its current way, which is still not perfect, but it's at least you're viewing the sisters as like equals, you know, instead of like good and bad It's just crazy how how hard it is to get a story about two women told that isn't like based around jealousy

or like one hating the other or whatever. So right, I mean, yeah, this movie subverts at least some of the tropes of a Disney fairy tale princess story, but it's still adheres to a lot of them in the sense that. So, I mean, Anna is the main character, She's the protector. We see the story from her point of view. She's the one with the most agency and bearing on this story. She decides on her own that she's gonna set off sort of on her own adventure to go and bring Elsa back so that they can

figure out how to melt this eternal winter. But um has three male cohorts by the time she gets there, and like she basically she sets off on her own, but then almost immediately needs the help of a man, and that's when we meet Christoph. And then there's that scene where they're being attacked by wolves, which what is it with the evil representation of wolves in Disney movies. I mean, gosh, this wolve there pro wolf agenda, you know what for our wolf listeners out there, like they

would be upset big wolf community. I didn't know that they have a lot of wolf fans. I get all really well with coyotes. Coyote yesterday driving I wait, the coyote was not driving, was just looking at another dog. See, they do kind of just look like sick dogs, So it gets confusing. Yeah, and I think that would offend our coyote listeners. I've almost I've almost touched a coyote

multiple times and then been like that dog is so sick. Well, anyway, moving on from wolf like creatures, so the wolves are attacking them. She's like, I want to help, and Christos like, no, I don't trust your judgment because you just got engaged yesterday to a man that you've hardly Yeah. He's so mean to her, acts so indifferent to her, and then when that comes up, he's like what that's crazy, and

she's just like what do you care? Right? Yeah, hard to say, but yeah, he doesn't want her help, but she helps him anyway and actually ends up saving him a couple of times. So we see the reverse of a woman. I don't think there's any time, at least in that sequence where she is damseled. So it subverts the trope of her being you know, damseled and needing to be rescued by a man, because instead she saves him.

But then as the story goes on, more male characters show up like all Off who man, Yeah, he's male identifying, you know, voiced by a male identifying actor. So um, don't bring up Josh Cat again. I will say also in the notes for the way this movie was written, because I think that there's a very clear parallel for this Josh character that drives me crazy. Den't Reely, who wrote the movie, tried to write all Off out multiple times.

I would not let her do it, because you need a cute little sidekick, because it makes cute stuffed animals. This is the same thing that ruined what would have been a great movie Treasure Planet. There's a robot named Ben in Treasure Planet that ruins the whole movie. And you're like, that's a studio note. Why can't they just get the fucking thing out of there? And they're like,

but bucks, but merchandise is it's treasure Planet. Treasure Planet is plant actually very steampunk, which and it's funked up that I love it so much. Steampunk what a bird? But robot. Yeah, it's like a steampunk reimagining of Treasure Island. It's really good, except they ruin it in the second half by adding in a really loud, obnoxious sidekick name Ben.

But anyways, they tried to write out all off. Also, they originally rejected the ending of this movie multiple times, like yeah, like the sisters realizing that sisterly love could be more powerful than a man you had just met was rejected over and over and over. Oh, we are not surprised. How did they get it through? Weirdly problematic? John Lassetter ended up vouching for the ending and said, like,

I've never seen a movie do this before. I think we should give it a try and test screenings, and if it doesn't work, we'll go We'll go full head or oup um. And then and also, this is the first Disney animated movie ever that co directed by a woman. Wow. Wow, it took a very long time. It took a hundred years. Well, this is an example of a story where the two main characters of Anna and Elsa are women, but pretty

much every other character is a man. Between Christophe and Hans Spend, the reindeer who I thought was a moose, for a while, the Duke of Westleton his to like bodyguards, the troll King. All of those, the only other person implied to be a woman is a troll. Yes. Also the only this say is maybe a whole another can of something. But the only implied like person of color in the movie is also just a troll. Yeah, that's true.

Oh is it the one who at the very beginning with young Christophe and Young Spen like hi, and she's like, Oh, you're cute, I'm taking you. Yeah, And she also is like has a very gospel singery type voice in the think it's yeah. And anytime I see that Mickey Mouse that's in the beginning of this one, it's like from like nineteen twenties. I was like that sneaky Mouse is racist. Steamboat Willie, I mean, that's a name that sounds racist and it is. Well, I wanted to talk about how Yeah,

all the characters in this movie are white. And granted it takes place in we can assume sometime before like nineteen or eighteenth century Scandinavia, which is still an extremely but it's also like a magical right, But Anna and Elsa are you know, conventionally beautiful by Western standards, they're

very thin. They have like that body type that we see in almost every Disney princess movie where it's like perfectly, it's like, you know, proportioned in such a way, you know, very narrow way, like wide hips, pretty sexualized for you know, a movie that's directed towards children, more more covered than

you would find most princesses. At least at least they are dressed weather appropriate, which though most times they aren't because like Elsa after she turns everything into winter, is still wearing like the top of her dress is still mostly like her, isn't it. She does say that I still never bothered me anyway, Yeah, welcome for my beautiful singing voice. I would have to imagine she But also it's like that is a choice. She has more hair

than a human that she was. She has upon her head more hair than a human than I like an actual person would have if she if you count the strands, which but excuse me, Okay, we see these two characters in this very specific body type that we see and over again in Disney movies, and there's nothing wrong with having a body type like this, but when it's pretty much the only representation of a body type that you see in these movies that are largely being seen by

young girls. These characters in these movies are influencing these young audiences. And I think that movies have the responsibility to show a vast range of body types and skin

colors and everything else. But when they're almost always like this hour glass, very thin waist, very by Western standards conventionally, the ideal that is irresponsible and and that goes beyond just the movie too, because when we're talking about Disney movies, we're also talking about merchandizing and like, what are studio executives and people with money comfortable putting out into the world because kids are I mean, as someone working out

of school. When this fucking movie came out, every kid had frozen merchandise on the dolls, right, So, and it's like if you see that same image over and over and over, like this is the body you're going to see. Every kid has merchandise with this body type on it, this skin color, this like yeah, it's just it's there's no argument that it doesn't funk with you to some extent, and there's no there's no alternative with this movie with the type of body that you see. It's just really

the only difference you get is the number of braids. Yeah, you get the one or you get the two, both filled with more hair than strands. I'm seeing that's more than a human. That's a lot. It's a lot of cig hair. Render that head, hackers, render that head. Render this head of hair, you dirty little hackers. Oh So, speaking of the songs, the Fixer Upper song I find the worst, Yes, but you're not framing them that way.

To second that song again one of the many scenes in this movie that is unneeded, but it just drives home the point of this movie's agenda of like still having on a be in a like romantic relationship or a potential one, because like he brings her there to his adopted family of troll people and he's like, hey, she's dying, and we're like we don't care about that right now. Actually we're going to sing a song about how you should love our son, And it's just like,

why is that there? Why is that a focal point. There's a part in the song where they say like something about how like how he hides it he's the honest good, which is a weird line. Yeah, it's just like he's a real nice guy, but you wouldn't know it based on the way he treats Yet, you know what, I'm I'm taking. Fix her Upper is now fourth worst, and build a Snowman is fifth fifth worst. Okay, I'm

I'm a ky with that switch. I'm okay, Okay. So then the next story beat after that song is when the trolls are like, hey, you need an act of true love to melt this frozen heart. They interpret that to mean, because you know, they've probably read a bunch of fairy tales themselves. Everyone involved are like, oh, yeah, that must mean a true loves kiss. There's an other

attempt at them subverting, right. I think this movie sends a positive message to its young viewers that rather than a hetero kiss between a man and a woman, it was like the familial love between two sisters that saves the day, because up until that point, most Disney fairy tales where if there is a curse to be broken, if there is something that needs to be fixed, it is often a hetero kiss that saves the day. Right, So, at least this movie does not go in that direction.

There is a kiss though at the end I think this is noteworthy because Christoph asks for consent and actually that's a great point. Yeah, because she replaced his sled that she sucked up like she said she would, Anna did fair. She's rich, she's extremely wealthy. That was the only thing I thought. When she's like, I'll replace it and everything in it, I was like, well, good for you. Right. So he's really happy about his new sled and he's like, oh my god, I'm so happy. I could kiss you,

but I won't, but could I maybe? And then she's like, you may. She gives him a little peck on the cheek and then he's like and then they go, Okay, this sounds my worst. It sounds like you're taking something. I'm sucking the soul out of everyone I kiss, or a cartoon character running away really fast, leaving the friend. Yeah. So I think this movie does send a very positive message to its young audiences that asking for consent to kiss someone is actually hot. It's hot and it's cute,

and it should be done more often. Yes. So, uh, that I think is worth noting. Um. I wanted to talk a little bit about Else's powers, her cairo kinetic magic. Off the top of my head Ye, cry Magic who she only shares this powers with Ice Man from the X Men and Sub Zero from Mortal Kombat? What about I forget that and some other things too, But those are the only ones that Mr Freeze mr himself? Yeah, okay, yes, who what's the is it? Free Frozen Frozen from The Incredible?

I think it's Frozen Frozen. That's that sounds terrible. Wait is that really the name of the character. No, I have no idea. No, I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah, it is Frozen Frozen. That's well, a lot of characters that turns out have this power. What is it? It's of course cryo kinetic magic. Of course, of course it is. Are all the characters that you mentioned all the other ones? Are they all? Were they all men? Yes? Sub Zero? I think this is the only one I'm on the

fence about. But a problem is that the Mortal Kombat can't find the character's name is Frozen. It's like Zone but FROZENO. The only black character in that movie is named Frozen. Yeah, it's not good. That's not good. Well, I guess we got to do an incredible episode. Well, can't be right? Sequels coming out? True, sub zeros thing. He says, You're about to get really cool, says get over here. One of my favorite bad movies Jack Frost.

Oh yeah, I recently just watched that. Very recently. Movies Crazy Christmas time, I watched it Wait this Christmas two thousand seventeen, The Michael Keaton one, Who Made You? Who Made You Want It? I think it might have been self inflicted that because doesn't he's like a bad dad who died. He's like a rocking blues magician and like a cover band. Yeah, well, they seems like they're gonna get signed. I don't know if they're cover band, but

they might as well be. He died. He died and then comes back as a terrifying anthropomorphic snowman that has to repair his relationship with his children. It's horrible. It's really scary, very scary, and it works so well. That's the scariest part of all. So in movies, when women are given powers, they are usually either an evil witch or a supervillain. Examples include The Wicked Witch of the West, Ursula, the Evil Queen from Snow White, Melissa Mellifus, Melissa Cassa.

It sells that you really feel about melissas a witch. What I meant to say is I have loved that new element of Taxbo cast Laws believes Melissa McCarthy is pure evil. Um, but who I actually think is evil is Mallificent. There we go from Sleeping Beauty the Ice Queen, which from the Len the Witch and the Wardrobe mystique from X Men, we've got Poison Ivy, where there's a

whole laundry list of others. So it's either that or if a woman has given powers and movies she's perceived as being like too dangerous and that she should not harness these powers and that or that she just shouldn't like use them in general. Um, we see this from like Rogue an x Men. I feel like this is a thing in Wanda from The Avengers Princess Leia, we don't even know she has force powers pretty much until

like five movies into the franchise. The Love Fairy and Pussy Saga is U doesn't use her powers right away, but then once she's liberated. Another great example, she's just naming a lot of lores. Sure, did you beat the game? It's impossible to beat the game. It actually ends up kind of becoming this existential nightmare where you're said that is that why it says you won't last five minutes, you're giving you can last ten hours and not they

give you a goal. And then I achieved the goal and there was nowhere no one acknowledged that I achieved the goal, and they're like, you should give all your points and open a movie theater. And it ends up being this weird real estate scam. It's one that probably plays it for ten hours. They know they don't expect you to get that far. I was completely horny neutral or played for ten straight hours, and I was like, I'm ready to rescue the Poets Safo, which was the

goal said at the beginning of the game. And then I went to the love Fairy who had given me the phone where I get all the anti sex after I solve every puzzle. It's my reward, is my anti sex. And I returned the phone. I say, here, here's the come of five women. As I told you, i'd bring back Release the Poets Afo, and she says, do you want to open a movie theater and that you can't, and then you just they drop it. They don't expect you to get that faro rude anyways with women having powers.

When men have powers in movies, it's like makes them strong and powerful. There are some exceptions and sometimes yes, like they have to keep them a secret from their family or from whatever. But by and large, a man having powers in movies means he's a superhero or he's going to save the day and he's just strong and powerful, or even if he's like a villain, like he's still crafty, cunning,

like wow, like look, how cool. So this applies to this movie Frozen because she has given this like awesome power. We don't really understand where it comes from or why this happens, but there's you know, it's a magical world with stone troll people and snowmen that can come to life. So sure those are the rules of the world, and we just suspend our disbelief. I guess world Josh Gad can exist freely, including ours I have a problem with.

But so she's given powers, but the whole time she is encouraged not to use them or that it's going to be too dangerous, and it's just like this, Uh, I feel like if a little boy discovered that he had these same powers his parents in whatever movie it was would be like, Wow, these are cool. You have to harness these and learn how to like channel them

and make yourself awesome. Well, I think that the story at least gives you a reason why they try to suppress her powers, which is that she hurts her sister. I think that the punishment that they come up with, given that they seem to have unlimited means, is a little harsh and they could have maybe consulted another third part.

But I guess the trolls were like that stupid. Yeah, that's like I thought, was that I don't understand why they had to be keep them separated, and that also like, realistically, we're supposed to believe they actually remained separate that whole time, even when they were dead away, right when their parents were right I'm like, why couldn't you just hang out now, like their funeral they didn't go to that, or was the whole funeral just putting that piece of black cloth

over there, draped over there, drap drape Malfoy that thing up and send it. But they Um, Oh, what I was gonna say is I feel like her powers being suppressed is obviously. I feel like the movie at least makes it clear that they're doing the wrong thing by doing that, and that eventually, by the end of the movie, it is changed and she is able to recognize that her powers do have value and it's just a matter of how she uses them. But I had a problem

with that. I don't think this happens with male characters at least as often, and I don't watch movies where people have superpowers very much because I'm a fucking adult, so I don't really know. But the fact that else's powers every time it goes wrong is because it's her powers are sort of dictated by her emotions is something that I found a little bit annoying of, like, well, she just can't get her emotions under control, which is

a common criticism of women. So that's why her powers keep hurting people, because like, her emotions aren't in check. That's not that's not something you hear about when a guy's like, I mean, there's a million montages of a man honing his powers, but it's not quite as put upon is like, well, you're you're like emotions are an issue. Yeah. I feel like that's like a fairy tale version of saying, like women be crazy, right, A little bit yeah, so

that was my issh. And yeah, the movie does make an attempt to say, like, oh, this was the wrong way to go about this because her suppressing those emotions that apparently like exacerbate her ice powers. I'm sorry her cryoecticut edgy magic. But still it's like by the end, she like she hones her powers by keeping her emotions more in check, right, Like, I feel like that's not

fully well, no, you could argue that to me. It's she realizes that love and like letting people in is the thing that allows her to contros or that at least allows her to unfreeze the Eternal Winter and to like saw it all out. But that's also it's a horrible lesson. If you're vulnerable, you'll just get gaslighted by a ute Hubert. That's what happens when you're vulnerable with yourself. Well, the problem is, I think, I mean, that's one of the reasons I don't think this movie is very good

or very well written. Is it. The rules of her powers and just the world building in general is not very good and it leads to some story problems and stuff like that. But um, yeah, at least the movie, as we've discussed before subverts enough of the like Disney fairytale tropes that it isn't like another replica of some of the more problematic ones that we've talked about, like snow White. Um, so, I mean, Present is considerably less problematic than most Princess movies, but it's still that does

not mean it does a good job. That is just such a low bar to clear. Perhaps all of these problems will be fixed in Frozen two November. Does that really happen? Is that your plug? Yeah, that's my plug. I'd like to plug Present it really needs some big marketing boost. Yeah, I hope so, I mean I would be interested in because I mean, you think between late and now there has been a pretty significant cultural shift that I would hope it'd be reflected in the movie.

But I don't know. And speaking okay, so I a lot of I remember at the time of this coming out, a lot of the conversation around this movie was that some people felt and it is certainly not explicitly stated by the movie in any way and carefully done to not state that that Elsa is coded queer. That's something I've heard over and over again. It's like, especially like

even a couple of years ago. Disney would never like Disney notoriously codes characters queer but as bad as queer villains, like that is their bread and butter, and then this way. I think it's interesting that many people read Elsa as coded queer. I don't disagree with it. I certainly see what they're saying, but I feel like part of the reason that that is and it is ultimately a net positive thing, I think for for kids seeing the movie. But I think that the reason that happened is because

she started as a villain. In the first draft of the character, she was a queer villain character. They softened her to the point where she was an equally likable character to the protagonist. But like that element of the character, I think, like to some extent state intact because I don't know, I feel like the way that Disney codes characters as queer besides evil is alone. Well, that's what I was going to ask, is what is the reason that people were perceiving her or feeling that she was

coded as being queer. Is it only because she doesn't have a love interest. I think that that's part of the reason. I'd have to go I'd have to go deep into, Like I think that there's a number of ways to come at it. I know that for a lot of people, I mean, just based on the research he did. When the movie came out, people interpreted her being isolated and not pursuing any love interest in the movie as a possible way of queer cutting, which is

kind of like depressing when you think about it. Is like, you know, a queer character it has to be alone, and uh, straight character has to end up with someone like it just the rules of that world become very fun very quickly, and strate characters in this movie is an example. There's often more than one person pursuing her because she's got I mean, Hans ends up being a bad guy who's not actually a love interest of hers,

but she doesn't know that until towards the end. As far as she's concerned, he loves her and he's her fiance. And then meanwhile, like Christoph is like the scrappy, mean person who is also secretly developing a crush on her, but you could never tell her that because she's too mean or whatever. But yeah, that I'd be interested to learn more about that. There was do you remember, though, there was like that big movement on Twitter. I remember

this just from being a frequent tweeter. There was like brag sorry, but there was like hashtag give Elsa a girlfriend, Like were very deep into viewing Elsa as like a positive queer role model, which again I think is like a net positive move, but also that you have to dig through so many layers of creating meaning where the movie isn't necessarily giving you much to go on. To find a queer character in a movie for kids is

like frustrating. Wasn't the most recent Beauty and the Beast the first time they had Josh, which is why I don't hate him no, because first of all, that like a queer moment in Beauty and the Beast is total bullshit and Jock Gad is horrible. But getting back to queer undertones and Frozen, I'm seeing and and this makes sense. I again, it's like open to interpretation and everyone's going

to view this movie differently. I viewed Else's suppression of her powers as more of like a femininity thing of like, here, you're awesome, but keep it hidden so that you are able to move through the world and you know, like,

don't become too powerful. I viewed that just seeing it today is like a feminine thing, but a lot of people view that as the experience of being in the closet um, so that creates else's arc as like hiding herself away from the world, isolating herself because she's not comfortable with herself, she doesn't know how to be around other people. And I guess that that is too many viewers read as the experience of being in the closet and then going back into the world as your authentic

self looking at it through that lens. Yeah, that's really interesting because she does have that let it go very empowering song slash moment the seventh seventh, So that's you could maybe argue is like a parallel to her coming out. Part of me is like, I guess that's kind of cool that they if that was like their idea to kind of leave it open to interpretations, so many different people could insert themselves into the experience and put their

own experience into it. But I it would be way more cool if there was a person that was like explicitly right, because I don't think a lot of kids are like watching this and writing that you know they're not and not to that's again the intended audience of this movie. So for children's movies, things like that, I feel like do have to be more explicit because they're

not going to get I agree. I just think it was interesting that it had such a profound yeah infect and then also the inverse of that being that churches got mad that also didn't have a boyfriend. Oh and really and also if you that as queer cutting of not having a boyfriend equals you are gay, bad news for me in high school. So interesting. Yeah, So that is I assumed, I've because I was aware of that going into this and had a few notes to that.

For some reason, I didn't remember that happening at all, but I am not as frequently tweeter, so maybe that's why there's I don't know. Yeah, I thought that was interesting, and that's something I'm very interested to see if they do anything within Frozen two, because it was such a big response and it's like, are they going to do

something good? Yeah, because I can't imagine that Disney would commit to her being alone again for a whole movie, right, but if they give her a boyfriend, people will be yeah, exactly, Yeah, definitely, So let's see Jennifer Lee. I mean, I'm pretty down for Jennifer Lee the writer. I don't know if she's writing Frozen two. I hope she is. She is, because I don't know she's at least directing it, directing it again. And there was a There's been a few like little

Frozen things like Olaf's Frozen Adventure. I didn't see that. There's something called Frozen Fever that I hated, like a paradox. Yeah, when I watched it, it made me realize that Frozen has been for kids all along, and I was like the second this is a cartoon for children, but it's also something that anyone, if any age, can enjoy. Yeah, and I did, if it appeals to them personally, I much prefer mo Wanna. Zotopia was great. They sing in Zootopia.

They don't Well. Something we see in Frozen that we don't see in mo Wanna as much is that is I dam and sell. I think that's really were is one big thing. Mo Wanna, How's going for? It? Is a It's a bedroom movie. Be Josh Gad has nothing not anywhere near it, which is great Moanna too, though I know they recast Josh. It's actually people are freaking out. That job cad Isa, which is what the poster says, Josh gad is He's wanted. They jumped the shark. Melana

has an evil twin. It's Josh. It's insane. He appears as himself a real man, not even jes Josh cad basically wearing Steve Wozniak outfit. It's horrible. But the theme of two strongly bonded women in a Disney movie who are not constantly being pitted against each other. We see

mo Wana has a close connection with her family. Um, but I did like seeing Elsa and like, I hadn't seen a relationship like that in a kid's movie before, of like a strong familial bond between two characters that are very different that and I mean we already sort of unpacked the visual aspect of it. That's a problem. But like, I don't know, I thought it was really nice. And I even tear it up once or twice because

I'm very fragile. But yeah, like the theme of like sisterly love and two strongly bonded women who have uh sordid history and that one almost killed the other twice. Uh it happens, But they still are able to resolve their differences, and I don't know, just like someone you're close with when you're young and then you grow apart because whatever your parents are on a bone and saying so, then you have to learn to love each other again as adults. Like that. It was nice. That is nice.

I think one of the problems with it, though, is that we don't see them on screen together that much, because either Elsa is in seclusion or she just runs away and builds her ice palace. Like if you counted up the total amount of time that they are on screen together interacting, I imagine that it's like eight minutes or less. Like it's a very small part. What if they get to know each other, I don't even really like each other, that would be a lot. Frozen two

barely have hung out with each other. Frozen two they like each other's posts on Instagram. But I've given that kind of radio I I which is again another thing that I don't know. I don't know. I'm standing out for Jennifer Lee right now because I'm reading through all the stuff she pushed for in the movie that they were just like funk Off. Because she was pushing for

them to be together more in the movie. She was also pushing for them to know each other after their parents died, and the powers that be were like, no, we want them apart for the whole movie, which we can interpret as a way to I mean, there's I guess, sort of a narrative reason to do that, but by the end, I think there's no excuse for them to be apart for so long, so you can shoehorn in all your bullshit, Josh Gatz like, keeping the two interesting

female leads apart just gives them the opportunity to sprinkle in all these other dudes. Right. Yeah. Should we figure out whether or not this movie passes the Buchtel It does really early on Elsa and Anna as children. Anna runs into the room, She's like, wake up, let's play. But then she says, do you want to build a snow man? Yeah? That's what I was wondering about. Is it passed the test? If they're talking about snowman, how

come it's never snow woman? How Come no one is ever like, let's go outside and build a snow woman or snow gender queer person. That's cool. My brother and I made a snow Tony Collette one year we were a Tony Collette household. Sure, yeah, yeah, she's very talented. We all felt that. Um So that scene, I think there's at least a two one exchange there. Later on, when they're both adults at the coronation ceremony, Elsa and Anna are like, oh my god, this is what a

party looks like. And then we cut to a bunch of people standing around and not really enjoying themselves. Uh. And then I have had that thought a lot though. And then they tell each other they look beautiful, and then they smell chocolate together, and then Anna's like, I wish it could be like this forever and ELS's like, it can't because of my powers that you don't know about. I think that's pretty much the end of that conversation. But I would say that by and large, like passes

the whole way through. I don't think there's any mention of any men they're at all. They're not in that many scenes together. You think it would pass more frequently, but it really doesn't. I think like the next time is when Anna is like, hey, will you give your blessing for me to marry Hans and rightfully so Else's like, no, but that does not pass the buck to test because they're talking about Hans. Later though, when Anna goes to Elsa's ice palace, that passes because they're just like, hey,

come back to Arandelle and almost yeah. After that, it's probably not till the very end when they like reunite. There's opportunities that were missed right and left. If we had given perhaps I will see a scene that I think would have made a lot of sense and would have worked. Would have been a scene between either the

mother and Anna or the mother and Elsa. It would have helped the story and that would have been away to shoehorn it and if we have to have a fucking snowman, make it not be Josh Gad, I was just gonna say evil, which Caitlin's mortal enemy, Melissa McCarthy. Like Melissa McCarthy, I just want everyone to know, it's crazy, how evil you think Melissa McCarthys And we all disagree. A dark board in the studio with Melissa McCarthy face

on it. It's so weird because it's like she's so talented and she really like knew when to steal a scene in Gilmore Girls and when to hang back. She's a giving performer. I think we should give her more credit. Kalen also like the main stone troll person could have in a woman and she could have talked to the moose, the rein dare content, whatever it was. Um, yeah, there were plenty of opportunities for this movie the pass it

for but it does definitely Yeah. Shall we rate on our nipple scale zero to five nipples based on its portrayal of women? This is another tough one where like I said, I think it's net positive in terms of the message that it sends, particularly to its young audience, and that it shows women being active in the story. It shows them having agency and making choices that have

bearing on the story. They are for the most part, not damseled in any way the way that a lot of Disney princesses are for most of the stories that they're in. I think that having it not be a hetero love kiss that saves the day, but instead being a active between sisters right the it solves the conflict that asking for consent to kiss her at the end

I really really enjoyed. So I think there is a lot of good things to be taken away, but the fact that there's still several love stories that are feel kind of shoehorned in there that don't really need to be there. The fact that we don't see Anna and Elsa interacting more, the fact that they're you know, body types are the same body type we see over and over again in Disney Princess movies and in almost every

movie in general. I think that there's still work to be done, So hopefully in Frozen two this year, next number this year, which is next year. Yeah, so I'm gonna give it a three and a half nipples, maybe four, I don't know, let's say three point seven five. Okay, wow? First, uh yeah, three point seven five. I'll give to to Anna, one to Elsa, the three fourth nipple to the mom who didn't say a damn word in the entire movie and then died tragically in a boat accident, not unlike

most of the people on Titanic. True, yeah, very true. What if, oh my god, what if Elsa created the icebergs in tit She was so emotional. Women are two emotional, and it sinks the Titanic eventually? Oh my god. Bad. Yeah, she probably made a glacier in her like you know, Fury her flurry fury. Yea it is, and then it breaks off centuries later floats into the Atlantic Ocean. The Titanic hits it. That's what happened. That's canon. Okay, Anyway, who's next, I'm going to give it. I was going

to go two and a half. I think I'll go three. It frustrates me when movies like this because I liked this movie. There's so much not positive that you just just described. I also think it's very significant that this is the first Disney animated movie that is at least partially directed by a woman, written entirely by a woman.

But now I'm going back to two and a half because because there are so many missed opportunities, and it really frustrates me when a movie tries to capitalize on how forward thinking it is when it still features so many themes and through lines that are regressive or at least maintaining a status quo that has existed in this these franchises for years and years. So mostly I mean two and a half based on cheer missed potential of

what this movie could have been. I totally agree with what you're saying with reinforcing the like conventional Western beauty standard body image on such a high level, shoehorning in the love story was obnoxious and not totally necessary and just the missed opportunity for women to be present in this story that was actively thwarted by the movie itself

by keeping women away from each other. Because their scenes together I really love and I think that they're like so nice and special and yeah, taking the voice from the mom, why do that? Like, why is that necessary? I don't know. It sucks because it's a good movie. I think net positive. And you know, girls who are in school now and this is their movie are way better off than we were where we're like, oh, the girl who funck a dog is my hero. Uh, that's

a belle from beauty. And the girl who french the dog is my is my favorite girl. Um, and you're always French with coyotes. Yeah, I'm from approaching coyotes on the street thinking conflating it with true love. And and we're even better off than our generation work if it was like growing up, Yeah, they're like fall asleep. Maybe someone will show up without checking. It does demonstrate progress.

Progress is very slow though that's not an excuse, but it tends to be extremely slow, but there are so many and and just like reading about how the writer director of this movie was trying to push it forward and was actively thwarted by the system she was working within sucks to I mean, I'm glad she was pushing, and I think that this movie would have sucked if she wasn't pushing, really pushing. So it's like progress but not enough progress. I hate that it's still like princesses

will sooner French a dog than be queer. That's like crazy. Um so two and a half from me one on a one to Elsa and I'm given one to Gadable, given one to gad Listen, he needs a win from me personally that he's very wealthy and doing games. Yeah, I think he spent more time talking about how much you hate them than Anna and Elsa appear on screen together in the movie Frienz Problem. The only thing that

I feel more strongly than loving women is hating what if? Okay, and also Alfred Molina as one of any female identifying person or also this movie I Have to Go Back does not pass it back to al test because Josh appears. Okay, that's your opinion. I do not stand new hard rule. Does Josh God appear in the movie, Chris, Okay, I wrote down three three nipples, three les, a lot of the stuff about like the mom not speaking. That's pretty crazy.

How there are literally only two or three potentially women in the movie, and one of them dies almost immediately, and one of them is a role whose name we never know and we don't know anything about her. Yeah. I mean, I think if it was like on a scale of like all the Disney movies, then it would be like higher than three. Because this is until Mowanna, which we gave I think five nipples across the board. We were like, coming back. It is a very good movie. Yeah,

that's great. Yeah, and then uh, of course I have my issues with the song in the song. Of course you've recopied your list well, just to make it clear for myself. So just to clarify, the seventh worst song is let It Go, which is You're also the best, but seventh worst today it's the best, right. Number six worst is Love as an Open Door. It's just a nice song. Number five I wish to build a Snowman, right, Okay, Yeah, I wish to number four fix her upper the Trolls

song I see I like the trolls. I know that they're just And are they the trolls? Never got the answer no, because they look like the trolls. But those trolls aren't made of stone. That's just like a weird if you saw a cartman but he was made of stone. You say, cart cartman, cartman? And can we help him? Yeah?

And is that legal? Leave Cartman and stone? But also, I can't watch South Park anymore because Matt Stone and Trey Parker they gave Josh Cadd his big break, but the Mormons they did actually don't funk with Cartman anymore because it's got a little bit too close to Josh Cad being a relevant person. Yeah, so sorry, he could clay him in the live action movie One day. Were given the list, anyway, where was I? I'll start from the beginning. Number seven again, Let it Go loves Novador,

Bill the Snowman, fix her up? Okay for third worst, I'm a Stoneman, he Won't kill Me. Number two Getting Ready for the Party is the second worst. Number one Ice Guys Making Nice is the worst song in the movie. Guys Making Nice is a terrible song, and no and it's the only song no women appear in. Oh sure, well we don't know how that's true. Well, alright, so three nipples and I give all three to whatever interesting character will be revealed in the second Frozen that's coming out.

The three nipples character we haven't There's gotta be something something either creepy, scary, bad, or hot the four tenants of a movie. Yeah, that's like the National Honor Society. Are you Are you over the creepy, scary, bad, or hot you have to be to get in tonight? Well I'm back to being mad. Okay, Chris, thank you so much for Thank you so much for having me. We had so much fun talking about Frozen. Where can people

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