Emma. (2020)

Have you ever heard of it? I haven't heard of it, which is really embarrassing at this point. I don't and I've been bluffing my way for over half a decade now. Yeah, we've been doing the show for six years, James, really really a long time. It is March, which means it's International Women's History Month. I honestly don't know why international has to be like specified, because if you eliminate it,

the meaning is much the same. But anyways, true, we wanted to make sure we were featuring women directors this month, obviously, and we had in the works an episode on The Women King that we'll be coming out, but it won't be coming out until April because of a bunch of scheduling stuff, so we wanted to make sure we were featuring women directors this month. Yeah, and that is why this week we are unlocking a Patreon aka Matreon episode

that I'm rather proud of. Honestly, we did so much homework for this one, and by that I mean we read a book. But for a movie podcast reading a book, it's not easy. Extra credit. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard, and reading is hard. No, but yes, this is part of our Matreon theme January aka Austin August aka Jane Austen month. Yes on the Matreon. We did it. Last year we also covered the Joe Wright Pride and Prejudice

adaptation with Kiera Knightley and Tom from Succession. However, Joe Wright is famously a man, so he doesn't qualify it for this and so what we are unlocking is the twenty twenty adaptation of Emma starring Annya Taylor Jolie that's directed by Autumn deWilde, also written by a woman, Eleanor Katon, which we will discuss in the episode as well, but too great in my opinion, too great. Jane Austen adaptations. Is it and is it? Clueless grade greatness? Nothing is

that's the best adaptation of Emma. However, this is my second favorite and we really enjoyed the movie and we think that you will too. If you haven't seen it, should check it out. Yeah, go watch it? She wi is what are you doing? Also, one other quick housekeeping thing. If if you are listening to us for the first time right now because you found us through Apple Podcasts, Welcome, We're the back too. Hello, Hello, Hello, Hi. We're being

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whatever's going on, all right Pokemon? Fine, yeah, fine, it's not against the lull noise, So please please enjoy this unlocked episode of Emma twenty twenty. Okay, it's still January aka Austin August aka Jane Austen November. Yes it is, and we are closing it out with an episode on Emma Period. I did not know at first that this movie has punctuation. Unnecessary punctuation. Oh in the title, I know. Did you read the reason why too? It's pretty corny.

Oh no, no, no, I believe it's autumn. deWilde was like, it's a period piece, so I put it was like, that's kind of funny. It also in any times the director of this movie. I was such a pleasure getting like acquainted with her as a person and an idea because I'm like now fully like just like I will go wherever she takes us forever, like she's so cool.

But yeah, because I because maybe it was an interview I was reading with her, but yeah, there's a period in it, because she's like at the period beast put a period at the end. Wow, I'm like, well, of all the reasons to do that, that is at least a pretty funny reason, I allow it. Yeah, right, okay, right, okay. So we're covering Emma Period from twenty twenty. It's one of the last movies that was released in theaters before

the COVID nineteen pandemic. Ever heard of it? I remember I almost saw it and then I didn't, and then I experienced regrets. You know what I saw it? What I see instead? Oh you know what I saw Invisible Man? And yeah, same portrait of a lady on fire. It wasn't too you know, I could have done much worse. I liked both of those movies. Yeah. One of the last movies I saw in theaters pre pandemic was Oh, my gosh, what's it called. It's the Pixar movie about

the like fairy tale creature people onwards. Oh, the one with the Chris Pratt pants Dad Dad pants, My dad is pants and I'm Chris Pratt right, Yeah, it's just what the fuck was that movie? There's gonna be a million people at the comments like that movie changed my life, And I'm sure, I'm sure it's great, but I only know that movie is like Chris Pratt's Dad is pants. You're like, I just like, I'm sure that. Like most Pixar movies are very heartwarming, this one did make me cry.

I'm sure, I mean all, like most Pixar movies, that's like what they're genetically engineered to do. I just like the way this one was marketed specifically. I just thought was so weird. I was like, I don't want to see the Chris Pratt pants Dad movie, and I reserved that right and I and you know, maybe I'll see it. Sometimes I think, did you hear a glass shatter? Am? I? Like? Just now? No? No, things aren't at all? All is not well? There? You know a Stabruary is really bringing

out in me? Is I want we should go back to like naming our houses. I know that it's because no one owns property and all these all these books are about rich, but even like middle class families name their house in Jane Austin World, which is also like I'm sure that just happened. Yeah, I didn't realize that was a thing. I mean, I guess I knew from like Downton Abbey because their huge mansion is called Downton Abbey. And then there's like I was like, what's it called?

I was like, what's the house called? But then, um, mister Knightley and this story has an abbey as well. I forget what his abbey is called. What constitutes an abbey? Like what I don't When you say abbey, I feel like it means like extra big, but like I'm sure it means something specifically, like there's a mill, or there's like a church, or there's a fawm or something. Right, what's the difference between like an estate and an abbey and a palace and a castle, because all of these

structures are big. So I don't know what's what bing bong, I don't know. You know, I'm no fucking clue he's gotten an abbey. I just this, Okay, yeah, so I'm going to start thinking of place. You know. I like that they name the houses, but all the ways that they name the houses stuck. They're like it's like corn wall and you're like, okay, that's just a compound word. I don't know. Let's just work on it, because look, we're never going to own any but I'll you know,

I'll name my half of the duplex that I read. Sure, I'll name that. Why not until I'm evicted any day now, I hope not. Well, no, my whatever, But you know they can. I'm on a month to month lease. They can just they try it. Do you remember matrons over the summer of my landlords are like, we're going to sell the house and you'll just kind of be shit out of luck. But like, we don't know when but you could be shit out of luck at any second, right, So I was like, oh, and then they failed to

sell the house. Okay, so well I have a home good news for you for now. Just I don't know landlords should just fucking explode in Minecraft, of course, which I know is something that you have to say. Um, well, we're talking about more rich people from England today because we're talking about Jane Austen's Emma period period. Yeah, okay, we're not talking about Gwyneth Paltrow. Did you watch Gwyneth Paltrow?

You watch you rewatched Clueless? Right, correct? And I really thought about watching for the first time because I hadn't seen Gwyneth Paltrow's Emma So I was like, yeah, I should watch that just in case it's helpful. But what did I do instead is play Pokemon? Okay, So well, yeah, matrons, we're working really hard for your five dollars over here. Jesus Christ, Kate like you've in my defense, yeah, it's for my mental health. That's not a good excuse. I

think it's a great excuse for my mental health. I have to play Pokemon for eighty five hours there is Yeah, sorry, I'm feeling spicy today. It's good. Um Okay. I saw Gwyneth Paltrow. Gwyneth Paltrow Emma. Back in the day, we were talking about this with the Pride and Prejudice episode where it was like, oh, there was like gen X Pride and Prejudice, and then Kiera Knightley is millennial Pride and Prejudice. There's kind of not a millennial Emma. I think that they did gen X was Gwyneth and then

this is fully gen z Emma. This is not this does not belong to us, but we're allowed to enjoy it and look at it. But like Anya Taylor Joy, she belongs to them. She does not belonged to us, just because she's so young. Yeah, and just like the aesthetic of this movie. I mean, this movie is so esthetic, it's beautiful. Yeah. Anyways, this is gen Z Emma period and I really like it. What is your experience with the story, Emma in general? Not much. I had seen

Clueless a few times. Oh yes, but I don't think I knew the first few times I watched Clueless that it was a Jane Austen adaptation. I definitely didn't the first Yeah, I don't think I knew that until like at least college, right, But I haven't read the book and I haven't seen the Gwyneth Paltrow Emma. Yeah, so this is my first exposure to this story. I've seen it three times now between I had some time between my Pokemon Pokemon hours that I was putting in to

watch Emma three times, so I did that. But yeah, I did not read the book for this one. I read Pride and Prejudice, so I filled my book quota of reading one book per year. So I don't have much exposure to Emma. But Jamie, you did read the book. Reread the book. I reread the book, and by that I mean, of course I listened to the audio book at one point five speed. And yeah, I guess I'm like fully too much Emma this week for old Jamie.

Too much. But I'm glad I read the book because because the changes of the movie makes is really really really interesting to me. But like I saw Clueless starting in high school, didn't know that it was Jane Austen adaptation, so it's almost like it doesn't really even count in my brain. Sure, And also Clueless is so different in a lot of ways, you know, and I would say many better ways. But I read the book in high school. I saw the Gwyneth Paltrow movie in high school. I

think I liked it, I don't really remember. And then I was I think this has also been like you know, miniseries did and all this stuff. But I was really excited for the twenty twenty Emma period because it was, you know, an adaptation that was directed by a woman. It just looked really I don't know, like you know, I was just genuinely excited to see it because sometimes you're like, this movie just looks beautiful, like it just looks, yeah, delicious, and I want to watch it. And it was, you know,

like written and directed by women. I like Anya Taylor Joy who. I feel like this was like this movie came out like right before she popped off, because this was pre Chess Netflix. Am I talking about Queen scam Bit. Yes, Chess Netflix. That's so funny. I feel like I should be dating a guy named Chess Netflix. Oh my gosh, that's a great character. Please write something. Yeah, Chess Netflix. It's like my new rich boyfriend. I'm like, guys, this is Chess Chess Netflix. We met at a party. I

don't know. He just slid into my dams and now it's been four months. Congrats. Speaking of mister Chess, Emma or mister Netflix, I guess Emma actually hooked us up. She she does these things sometimes, she's a matchmaker like that. I'm her Harriet, and she hooked me up with Chess Netflix. He's awful. Um Okay, So anyways, I like Annya Taylor Joy. I had only known her in The Vivich I think, and I hadn't even seen it at that point, but I'm like, oh, it's the the vivic girl that has

those big old eyes and oh oh. I was mostly excited to see this movie because fucking Bill of I Frankenstein Fame is in it, so that was There's that. I feel like we texted about it when we both first saw the trailer because there's that great trailer moment slash movie moment in general where Bill Nigh hops down the stairs. It goes like, dude, I caught like best part of the movie, and I really like to the movie, but it's like the best part of the movie absolutely,

So I was very stoked to see the movie. I watched it on HBO when it was on HBO, and then I was excited to revisit it for this. I think it's an it's a good adaptation. I really like what they changed because the book is very bizarre. I'm excited to talk about that a little bit as well. The book is like it's it's good and like the literary sense and you know, whatever changed the shape of

the novel forever blah blah blah, like I get it. Sure, bookheads don't come for me, but just like this, the way the story plays out is interesting to me because I feel like and then I frantically googled my own opinion to see if I was you know, if your opinion was correct. Yeah, to see if my opinion had been corroborated by someone who knows who can read a book, and it has been corroborated. Is I think the emma of the book look ends up regressing by the end

of the story. But the way that it's been adapted for twenty twenty, which I think is smart in terms of like you want as a moviegoer to get some payoff and feel like the character has grown in the book.

I don't think that she really grows very much because the ending is different and by the end you're just like it just is sort of one of those I feel like this is like a Victorian novel or just like sometimes a novel thing in general, where like things move slow, slow, slow, slow slow, and then it's like whatever the protagonist is at their slow they're at the whatever. The second act, end of the second act of a

novel is the low point. Yeah. But then but then in some but then like things just kind of like very abruptly work out sure, and it has kind of nothing to do with any action that the protagonist takes. Right, Well, let's take a quick break and then we will come back for the recap. Okay, we're back, and here is what happens in the movie Emma Woodhouse. We get some text on screen that she is handsome, clever, and rich and has lived nearly twenty one years in the world

with very little to distress or vex her. Woo. We meet her. She's Annie Taylor Joy. Of course, her whole thing is that she loves to match make for other people, and she has just done this for her I wasn't sure exactly who this was at first. I think it was her former governess, Miss Taylor. I also don't know what a governess is, like a like a tutor or like a governess. Yeah, it's like a combo tutor and nanny basically. Okay, yeah, got it. And they like live

in so it's like a permanent the house. Yeah right. So Miss Taylor is about to get married and become missus Weston, and she is therefore about to leave the estate where Emma lives with her father, mister Woodhouse, and that, of course is Bill Ni. So at the wedding between Miss Taylor and mister Weston, we meet such people as Miss Bates, who Emma thinks is very tiresome. Can I Yes, there is a thing. And I think it's because we've

been doing Jane Austen and Cinderella adaptations. And I say this as a woman with a kind of longish thin head. Anytime in a damn period piece they want to telegraph this woman is annoying and not very smart. They cast someone that has my head shape, and I don't like it. The actors who play there's always one step sister in Cinderella that has my head shape, and then Miss Bates my head there. Look what I'm saying is you can cast me as woman is obviously supposed to be annoying

because I have the correct head shape. What is that? I know what it is. We don't need to talk about it, but I'm like, fuck you, it's rude leaf I head alone. Yeah, sorry, Miss Bates. So Miss Bates is there. Mister Elton is there. He is the vicar who marries this couple. And there's also talk of the groom's son, Frank Churchill, coming, but he never shows up. Who do you think is the hottest guy in the movie? Oh,

good question? Um, my answer sucks for me. It's probably between mister Mister Martin is pretty cute to me, just as far as looks goes, not personality, but Frank Churchill I would maybe kiss I also, Um, I like the actor who plays mister Weston, and oh he's fun. I like him. I don't know if I would kiss him or not. I would kiss Bill Ni probably. What's do you remember when Bill Nigh he said MW two. Uh yeah, I will never forget the first time I heard Bill

Knight say mutwo, I like lost my fucking mind. Well, now that I'm a Pokemon expert after playing five million hours of Pokemon, and I think it's Arcius Arcis Archaius Arka. I don't know, I don't know how it's pronounced. I'm arresting you, but I know I would get just as into it. Wait, I hold on, Okay, I can't stop thinking about him saying it now. But we taught We've

talked about this on the Matreon before. I think about how Bill nigh he didn't know anything about Pokemon and then he started playing Pokemon Go, and then he was like, I know that he became a sentient poke dex um and he's just I just love I love that. Okay, think about this. Probably probably on the set of Emma Bill and he played Pokemon Go. Oh yeah, definitely, because

he would have been into it by the Yeah. Anyways, when he said mewtwo, he just it's because he said it like a theater actor, and you just never expect to hear someone say it that way. Um, anyways, where are we? Um? Oh? Oh? Who would you kiss? Mister Elton Josh O'Connor. He's also in the Crown. He also plays a fucking He plays young Prince Charles, you know,

another famously losery guy. But guess what he's got. He's got a head shape that I like, and he's having Also, I think he's very funny, and he's having such a I think a good time in this movie being the most annoying man to ever live. Oh. Yes, in no sense, I don't. I didn't understand that joke. I'll say it. That joke was in the trailer and I was like, what's the joke. It's just Bill Nickey repeating something. No, he mispronounces it. And then Bill Nile's like, no, it's

in a sense he said, mew two. Okay. So those are some of the main characters. We also meet mister Knightley, mister Kiera Knightley. Also, I don't know who that actor is, but I kept thinking referring to him in my head as slightly less hot Heath Ledger. Oh interesting, you know who I think is mister Knightley. And the Gwyneth Paltrow one is ermray Er You will Own McGregor? Were You? Is Nightly? In that one? Which is? I get it? This guy's name, what is his deal? His name is

Johnny Flynn. His Wikipedia picture is weird. It looks like it was taken on a fucking point and sheet fifteen years ago. Well, I guess I don't have much to say. He was definitely hot, but I you know, he was too conventionally hot to hold my attention. I want I want a mister Elton. I want to Bill Nile saying me two, give me something interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So mister Knightley visits Emma and her father. Okay, so

what is the relationship between Emma and mister Knightley. In the book, they're like brother and sister in law because Emma's sister is married to mister Knightley's brother Emma's I think that that's the case in the movie too. It's confusing because I keep saying we're siblings, but it's because Emma's sister married mister Knightley's brother. So they're in loss no Blood. I wasn't sure if it was the same thing as it was in Clueless, where they were former

step siblings no, which I always found really weird. I think it's weirdly less weird in the book from the eighteen hundreds than it is Clueless. I think I kind of forgot yeah that there. It was like a weird like step sibling porn line. They're definitely yeah, no, they're they're in law and they're brother and sister in law. Okay, yeah, that's never made very clear in this movie, right either way, mister Knightley and Emma have a like flirty but like

teasing nagging type of banter. Yeah. Emma befriends a young woman named Harriet Smith mia goth fun casting. Emma kind of takes her on as a project and plans to match make for her. Harriet fancies a young man named mister Martin, but Emma doesn't think he's good or interesting enough for Harriet. So Emma tries to encourage Harriet to like mister Elton the vicar, right, he was kind of funny and weird. Is like, so, Harriet's like a local student, but the way that Autumn de Wilde chooses to style

the students is like they're in the Handmaid's Tale. So you're like, well, I'm sure that that's like historically accurate, but it's just as a modern viewer quite jarring to be like, oh my god, where are they taking these women? Should we help them? I know I had the same thought, but they're just probably just like, oh, they're just you know, young women who go to a boarding school look like little Red riding Hood slash the women from The Handmaid's

Tale very weird. Who knows not us. We're not scholars. No, we have one brain cell and we have to share it. Okay. So Emma and Harriet get closer. They run into miss Bates, who is like carrying on about her niece Jane Fairfax. We see them hanging out with mister Knightley. They also hang out with mister Elton, who loves a painting that Emma did of Harriet and it seems like he really

likes Harriet. Then mister Martin proposes to Harriet via a letter, which Harriet reluctantly rejects because of Emma's kind of subtle persuasion to not accept his proposal. Every time someone says persuasion in this movie, I'm like, that's another Jane Auston buck. I know that. Oh that's funny because at least once they say prejudice it is I know. I was like, I remember that. And then they're also talking about sense and maybe sensibility anyway, and they say they boy, did

they say I'm a lot? And they really say I'm a a lot? But there's no mention of Mansfield Park. Is that a Jane Austen novel or did I make that up? Now? You nailed it? You nailed it. Wow. Yeah, I am a scholar after all. Okay, Harriet rejects mister Martin, which upsets mister Knightley, especially since it was he who encouraged mister Martin to propose to Harriet. I think, right, he it is it is and so that's like call that more in the book two of like, mister Knightley's like, Emma,

you shouldn't meddle. I'm like, you literally just came from mister Knightley's house to be like, you know who you should marry. So he's like meddling with his boys too, but whatever calls him out on that good point. Emma's sister Isabella visits with her her husband, who is apparently brother. Yes, I had no idea, and then their baby, and there's

also another small child. I think. A bunch of them have dinner together, after which mister Elton professes his love not for Harriet like Emma is expecting, but his love for Emma herself, and she turns him down. She's like, I don't want to get married. And he does not take this rejection well he like a big baby and like dashes out into the snow. He Oh my gosh, he's dashing through this now. Fun fun, josh O Connory.

I like in this movie there's like a few times when someone just starts like yelling and you're like, well they like just where He's like, oh, by the carriage. You're like shit. It really takes you by surprise because it normally these rich people are so proper and not yelling anyway. So Harriet is disappointed to learn that mister

Elton never liked her. Then Emma and Harriet spend some time with Miss Bates again, the woman that Emma thinks is super boring, as well as Miss bates niece Jane Fairfax, who Emma is also not fond of and maybe even jealous of, which is not as clear in the movie as it seems to be in the book. Meanwhile, Harriet bumps into mister Martin, hot farmer. She had rejected farmers Only.

That's that's Harriet, until Emma starts meddling she's on farmers Only, and then Emma's like, no, you gotta get on Jane Austin. Ye yeah, yeah, wow, Yeah, we've heard of a thing or two. So that interaction is super awkward and it's clear that they are still in love with each other, but they don't do anything about it. And then Emma finally meets the elusive Frank Churchill. They make eyes at

each other, it seems they like each other. And also one of the things that I think that this movie in this book do very well is that's like I feel like you don't see it very often executed effortlessly, Like this is like seeing two characters that bring out the worst in each other. And that is so Frank and Emma where like separately they're like like they still kind of suck both as a Frank sucks worst, but

like they both kind of suck his individuals. But when you bring them together, you're like, these two cannot hang out together. They're going to like hurt someone's feelings. And then they do, and then they do. Yeah, hate them, hate them, cancel the friendship. Right Then there's a new lady in town. She is the new wife of mister Elton. Emma also does not like her. We will come to find out that Emma does not like most of the

women she encounters. Then Frank Churchill's father, mister Weston throws a ball in Frank's honor, Emma dances what I thought? I was like, he does what? Sorry you meant like? I was like, up, he doesn't. I don't see him throw a single baseball. Okay, he does not throw any poke balls Phil Knight, which is which is a which is a shame, because I bet Bill Knight he has five hundred at his damn house. I would love what if Phil Knight has a poke ball room and that's

where I keeps all his Pokemon. So too. We should cover Detective Pikachu on the podcast. Literally, let's cover I mean, I don't know what we really have to Is there anything to Actually, there are a couple things to say, okay, and I will say them when we cover it. Maybe for my birthday this year, maybe I'll do Detective May and then we'll do Detective Pikachu and another detective movie because every movie is about cops. Yeah, anyway, or we could find uh, well, I guess oh I had this,

Oh God, I had this thought the other day. And then do you ever have a thought that you're like, I probably don't even want to know the answer, and I don't need to go there right now. And so in my own for my own protection mentally, I don't want to know the answer to the question. Yeah, my question was, is Nancy Drew a cop corrob like? Is she? Nancy Drew works independently? But I don't remember. I don't remember. I feel like she probably then reported to the cops.

I don't remember either. And I've read so many Nancy Drew books. She worked independent twenty five years ago? Uh, she like she worked independently, But when she solved the mystery, would she tell the cops? I don't remember. Same with the same with the mystery team or the mystery mission that all those cartoons that got in that car, the Scooby Doos, the Scoobies, what were they? God, I can't remember a damn thing today. The Scooby did, the Scoobies

the coalue coalued, that's the word I'm working it. Oh, did the Scoobies collued? With? There was there in a situation there? You know what, I guess we're just going to have to cover scoob No Scoobs or two thousand and two Scooby Doo. We should cover two thousand and two Scooby Doos. I watched I watched Scoob at a low point in my life, and it was stinky, stinky, stinky. Not no, no Lillard, right, no Lillard. If it doesn't have Lillard in it, I don't care. Trewin Lillard got

so he got so sad when they recast him. He because no one told him. And then they're like, Will Fourte voices Shaggy in this one, and I love like Will forty is the best, but my love of Will Forte is outweighed by my discomfort of the idea of Matthew Lillard like having a bad day. So how much do I love Will Fourte? I don't know, I really love him. Wow. Enough talking about random white guys in

their forties. Okay, So Frank Churchill's father throws a ball, the dancing kind, not the pokemon kind, and at the ball, Emma dances with Frank because they're you know, canoodling or whatever. But Harriet has no one to dance with, so mister Knightley asks her to dance, which Emma thinks is very kind and Harriet thinks is very kind. And then Emma and mister Knightley says some nice things to each other and then they dance together and we're like, oh, what's happened?

This is another thing I like that the movie does that the book doesn't. The book kind of plays out more like a detective novel and like who loves who you don't know that you can tell on like a reread that Nightly clearly likes Emma the whole time, but Emma has no idea how she likes mister Knightley until

like very late in the book. And something that I learned about Jane Austen by reading these books and literally following along with the spark notes to make sure that I was listening correctly, is that, like she has this bizarre tendency that I don't even really like. But in terms of like adaptation, it opens up a lot of

creative license for writers or like screenwriters. But like the most important moments in the book, she will like summarize instead of writing dialogue for characters where it'll be like like that whole like mister Darcy, like you've bewitchbe body and soul, like that's not in the book. In the book, it's like mister Darcy professed his love ardently and Elizabeth finally reciprocated, like it's she doesn't say what they're saying. Show don't tell Jane Austen, geez, have you never taken

a screenwriting class? Yeah? Why didn't? Literally, And that's so she actually was a bad feminist. She canceled. But anyways, because she writes like that, it opens it up for a screenwriter to do kind of whatever they want. But but I just thought it was funny how that plays out with Emma realizing that she loves mister Knightley is when Harriet is like, yeah, no, I love mister Knightley. I don't feel a damn thing for Frank. Frank kind of sucks, which also, like Emma didn't even seem to

understand Harriet knows that Frank sucks. She's like, no, I love mister Knightley. He's awesome, he's cool. And there's a single line that's like Emma realized suddenly that mister Knightley could marry no one but herself, and like that's how you're told that she loves him, Like that's how she realizes it. And then she sends Harriet to the dentist for a month. I'm just like, oh my god, I don't know how long the dentist took back then, but not a month. Not a month. I didn't even know

there wered dentists back then. So that's where I'm a stick burn. I actually I wouldn't enough, Like I don't know, but she got sent away to the dentist long enough that she got engaged. Like that's too long to be at the dentist. Oh yeah, weird. Okay, So Emma and mister Knightley's relationship is evolving, much like how a Pokemon evolves. Oh, she's going Charmander to what's the middle one? Was the middle one? Oh? I don't know enough about it yet.

This is my first Pokemon game. She goes Charming. Okay, well I'm gonna skip the middle. Then she's there's that shot of him touching her waist where she goes Charmander to Charizard like that. She's like, you're like, oh uh oh, like it's a good I got. I mean, when there's a horny a good horny moment in a period piece, it's exciting, it's nice. Oh a touch of the waist full Charizard Like, That's that's how I'm gonna that's what I'm gonna call boner moments now full ars it hits.

Yeah it works. I thank god Bill Ni was in Detective Pikachu, or we wouldn't be on this gorgeous train of thought. Well, it's also thanks to me playing eight billion hours. It's true Pokemon Arcius right, they're now a fish billable hours. Mew chew, mw chew O so funny. So after the ball, mister Knightley runs all the way to Emma's estate, presumably to profess his love for her, but before he can, Frank Churchill shows up carrying Harriet,

who is injured. Harriet tells Emma that she's in love again, and Emma assumes Harriet means she's in love with Frank, and Emma promises not to interfere this time like she's done in the past. Then, mister Knightley invites several people to his estate for an afternoon, during which Emma lets it slip that she thinks Miss Bates is very boring to her face to Miss s Bates's face horrible. Mis

Bates is extremely hurt by this. She all but like burst shit like evil, so evil, and mister Knightley is also taken aback by Emma's cruelness and confronts Emma about it, and she feels awful. Then Emma learns that Frank Churchill is engaged to Jane Fairfax and secretly has been for quite some time. So Emma feels horrible on Harriet's behalf because she knows that Harriet is in love with Frank. But then Harriet is like, no, Frank isn't who I'm

in love with. I love mister Knightley, which like started when he asked Harriet to dance at the ball when no one else would dance with her. But then Harriet realizes that Emma also loves mister Knightley, which drives a wedge between them. So when mister Knightley professes his love for Emma and proposes to her, She's like, well, we can't do anything about it because Harriet loves you and

I don't want to hurt her anymore. And he's like, okay, well I have to go convince mister Martin to propose to Harriet again, and Emma's like, no, I have to be the one to do it. I have to display character growth because the book doesn't do that. Yeah, yeah, I will say the addition of Emma's nosebleed makes the movie The two Emma's nosebleed and Bill and I he hopping down the stairs makes it a must watch for me,

warts and all. It makes it a must watch. Yes, So Emma goes and does this to convince mister Martin to propose to Harriet. It works, Harriet accepts his proposal. So now Emma and mister Knightley are free to be with each other. So they cannoodle, they kiss, and then the movie ends with them getting married. The end slurpp. Okay, let's take another quick break and then we will come

right back to discuss, and we're back, okay. So I'm gonna be talking about the book and movie back and forth throughout this episode, because boy, is this a log book and it's got to be worth it for me, okay, please, by all means. So, the main difference, and we talked about this in the Pride and Prejudice episode two, where it's like there's a lot of trimming out excess characters, storylines that are just going on forever, stuff like that,

which makes sense. But the big change at the end is in Emma period in twenty twenty, Emma has to make things right with Harriet because she has like fucked up Harriet's life under the guise of like, I'm such a good person. And then it turns out that if she had just left Harriet alone, Harriet would have made the right decision on her own months ago and would have gone through much less emotional distress and gas lighting and all the kind of just being fucked around by

weird rich people. Right, and so in the movie, I think it's really smart that Emma has to like atone for that. It still is pretty abrupt, but at least they have her, you know, she has to say I'm sorry, She has to go and apologize for being an asshole. In the book, that is not what happens in the book. When Nightly proposes to Emma, she says yes right away, and then she says, yes, but let's not tell Harriet

what she's so mean. In the book she says she's like, absolutely yes, love you so much, my king, but don't tell Harriet because whoopsie daisies she's in love with you. And Nightly is like, oh yeah, let's not tell her. And then Emma sends Harriet away. Emma is like, Harriet, don't you have to go to the dentist. You should go to my sister's house in London, like, get the fuck out of here. She disappears Harriet so that she can tell her society, like I'm engaged to mister Knightley,

but don't tell Harriet yet. She's going to be so pissed off at me, Like she feels guilty about it. It's not completely evil, but like she sends Harriet away, and then you know, in the movie Emma, she gets a noseblade, which is so funny. She gets she gets a noseblade, and she's like, I want to marry you, but I have to make some things right first, which it totally makes more sense for the character demonstrating growth. And then she has to go, you know, tail between

her legs. She has to go to mister Martin and say I fucked up. I meddled too much. You and Harriet clearly belong together and really care about each other, and like make it right. She does not do that in the book either, So she sends Harriet away, and then just kind of while Harriet's away, she runs into mister Martin and is like, hey, do you still love me?

And he's like yes, and then they get married and Emma doesn't find out for like where Emma goes to the wedding in the end, but like it just all happens, Like Emma doesn't have to do anything. She's like rewarded for sending Harry it away because if she hadn't sent Harry it away, then how would she have gotten back in touch with mister Martin or whatever? Like it sucks.

And then at the very end of the book, in the last like what I find so bizarre about Emma And again it's I'm not I'm nowhere near Jane Austen, like I don't know even like a fishy, and like I'm sure we have listeners who have a better understanding of this than I do. But I just found it so bizarre that, like in this book versus Pride and Prejudice, it's a lot of like Jane Austen reinforcing the class

status quo. By the end of the book, everyone marries within their class, and that was the right and morally upright, like is like socially and morally correct that everyone remained within their class, whereas in Pride and Prejudice that is

not the case that that novel pushes against it. It's interesting because now that we know that, like Jane Austen had a lot of complicated feelings on class and definitely some class resentment that comes through in her workmen then other times it's like she's kind of reinforcing a status quo. We're not scholars, we don't know, but like, I just think it's so interesting that, like, because it does feel

true to like born into wealth kind of richness. That it's like all of her problems are extremely temporary, and that is like how it plays out in real life very often. But it's so frustrating to see it, like like it's just Ana Taylor Joys, like, oh I was being such an asshole, blah blah blah, and then mister Knightley runs up. He's like I love you, and you're like, oh, well,

I guess it all worked out. Yeah. I feel like Emma comments on gender pretty effectively, but I find the way it deals with class weird because at the end of the book, I think the movie does it better. I like the things that the movie does. But in the book, at the end, Emma and Harriet do meet up one more time. She finds out that Harriet's father

was like a tradesman in bloody Bloo England. And instead of saying like I'm sorry, I love you, you're you and mister Martin are welcome at Wallcorn or whatever her house is called any time in the book, she says okay, well bye, and then in like whatever the narration, Jane Austen basically says, like Emma and Harriet quickly fell out of touch because it would have been socially improper for

Emma to hang out with a farmer's wife. That would have sucked, and like their friendship ends like they're just like within a few months, Emma and Harriet didn't talk anymore and that was the correct thing to happen, because you know, you can't catch Emma dead like hanging out

with a farmer's wife and the end. And so there's a lot of there have been some schoolers who argue that in the book Emma is both like limited in a weird it almost kind of reminds me of like Belle from Beauty and the Beast, where she has this dream of like living and doing all these things she

wants much more than this provincial life. Perhaps yeah, and then she ends up moving four feet from where she came from, So why even sing that song if you're going to end up getting her married four feet from where she lived, she literally still lives in the province, So why did that happen? And it's not that Emma just like Emma is like set on being with her father and like that is I mean, there's gender stuff in there, but like she wants to stay with her dad.

But it just seems like the argument is, like, Emma, doesn't you know the only thing that's really changed for her at the end of the book is that she's now like well married, So her like whole independent I never want to get married thing is gone, and she is still pretty aggressively classised. So there's a lot of arguments for the book Emma to be like, well, she learned a lot of lessons, but whether she actually applied

them to her life is pretty unclear. M it was bizarre. Well, I find some things about the way the movie ends not as bizarre as what you've described, Yeah, the book ending, but still kind of bizarre, where like Emma owes several different people apologies that she does not deliver, and yeah, just I do. I was wondering about mister Knightley's like I have to go find mister Martin and like get him to propose to Harriet, and Emma is like, no, I've got to do it. Yeah, neither of them do that.

They're like, um, yeah, send Harriet to the dentist, and then Harriet's gone for a month. They're like, they said Harriet to the dentist for a whole last month, because they like, are too chicken shit to be honest. That said, there are more apologies issued in the book than in the movie, and I feel like there are some, like particularly between Emma and Jane. Jane has a much, much, much larger role in the book. Okay, wait, who is

oh Jane Fairfax? Jane Fairfax who ends up getting married to Frank, which I'm just like, fuck, Frank can't stay Frank. But at least at least the book, the book very much knows that Frank sucks and that he is just so like mister Knightley. They kind of do it in the movie, but I thought it was funny in the book where mister Knightley is constantly and I've always am like mister Knightley is much older than them, which maybe is not obvious in the movie that age gap is present.

Between the actors. The actor playing Knightly is thirteen years older than Annya Taylor Joy, but in the book it's very like Victorian and to the point where it gets creepy where he's thirty six in the book, Emma's twenty one and he's like, oh, I knew I was in love you since you were thirteen, and you're like, that's

enough of that. Like so they make it out. I mean, even though that age gap is more or less present in the movie, I feel like there's no attention called to it, and the actor in his thirties looks pretty young. But yeah, then Nightly in the book they really like Jane. Austen is very much pointing out like, oh, she's marrying a father figure too, which also just doesn't seem very I get why mister Knightley and Emma like each other,

but I didn't. I didn't love in the book how they're just like, yeah, he knew, you know, she was a child, that he was a man, and now she's a woman and he's still a man. But sometimes the point is, and I'm about to say something I like, which is so I'm being all over the place. But

in the book, mister Knightley. He's like at least ten years older than all of these, like people in their early twenties and like late teens, and so sometimes he'll talk about them the way that like a thirty something person would talk about a twenty one year old's decisions. And he's just like, Frank fucking sucks. I can't believe that everything like works out so well for him, because he's an asshole to everybody. Jane Fairfax is like way too good for him. I don't know what she sees

in him. He's so lucky that he could treat her so poorly and that she would still come like mister Knightley does explicitly say all of that stuff, So I'm like, okay, Jane Austen knows that this is not how you treat a woman who is like intelligent and cool the way that Jane Fairfax is, but it still has like it's just so bizarre, like it's just a weird book. I mean, I really, I don't know. Even though it's like aesthetically like whatever and time period wise similar to Pride and Prejudice,

the stories are are very different. It's weird, and yet there are some similarities. Who did you think needed apologies. I thought that miss Bates was owed a major apology, and even though Emma does bring her like a basket, she doesn't really address what she did. Yeah and barely says I'm sorry. She gets an apology in the book, which is weird. The things scout that back. She apologizes

profusely in the book. I thought that was going to happen in the movie, but instead she's like, here's a basket, gotta go. And then miss miss Bates is just like you are so you're too kind. You've always been so kind, and it's like she just made you cry for saying something really mean and insulting to you. Miss Bates, right,

and Nightly was right, like I'm glad. I am glad that Nightly like gave her ship for that, and that's like that is such a Jane like and I guess maybe just like a Victorian male hero thing in general, but it's like the fucking binary in this situation is like guy with charisma, dirty liar, don't talk to him,

guy who's sort of mean to you. Now that's the love of your life, like right, And then the other major apology that I thought needed to happen that didn't really is is Emma apologizing to and maybe maybe this does happen better than I remember. But so Emma goes and makes things right by approaching mister Martin and convincing him to propose again to Harriet, which again I like. When I saw that in the movie, I was like, that's a very active thing for a female character to

do in a story written in this time period. It seems a little too modern for that to be the case. And it turns out, yes, correct, Yeah, they I boss that part, But I do like, I do like that she I think that's way more effective. Oh definitely, Yeah, I don't. I don't. I like the change. I like the adaptation change. I like, you know, in general, making

a female character more active and giving her more agency. Um. Okay, So then when she does that, she meddles one last time, but it works out and Harriet's and mister Martin's favor where they get engaged. Either way, I feel like Emma owes Harriet a much more significant apology for meddling in Harriet's life and her you know, romantic situation, like her romantic life, and Emma does not really give that apology, So I feel like, you know, Emma needs to hold

herself accountable more than she does in general. But yeah, that's just me. It's all weird, like if all in the book, I thinks I was bummed about that didn't make it from the book to the movie mostly, but the movie clearly is choosing to focus more on the Emma and Harriet friendship, Like there's a lot of emphasis given to it, which I do like, and I think

it's like almost, well, I don't we'll get there. But what I was bummed about was I think my favorite character in the book is Jane, and Jane does not get a lot of playtime in the movie, and I wonder if she maybe did in the Gwyneth Paltrow one, I'd be curious. But I really really really liked Jane in the movie in the book because like you were sort of saying, like the people in this movie, like in the movie, everyone acts a little silly because it's

like whatever. Mister Woodhouse is a good example of an upper class character who acts very silly. He's a hypochondriac. He's very particular, like there's always a draft, there's always a draft, and Bill nyghe is like king, like love him. So it's not like only people of the lower classes are written to be goofy, but it feels more point like the way Miss bates Is character is written where you do get that moment where it's like, no, of course she knows when she's being insulted, yeah, and it

hurts her. So it's like it's not like those humanizing moments aren't there. But I feel like between Harriet and miss Bates, you're sort of like led to believe that, like women of the lower class are silly and less intelligent and like because I would guess, I mean, Tie is the Harriet of Clueless, right, And yeah, I feel like that is more effectively done and Tie gets more humanizing moments than Harriet does, because I do feel like it's like, ultimately Harriet is so and also she's a teenager,

like she's very impressionable. She's being thrown into this world. But the I don't know, I don't know, maybe I take it back because like missus Elton as a rich lady and she's the goofiest woman alive, right, and Elton himself is I mean, I guess they're like upper middle class like climbered because they're always like my friend mister Knightley, and mister Knightley's like rich enough and powerful enough to be completely you know, and ask in the way that

mister Darcy is wearing. I feel like those are very similar characters but just very different heroines, which is interesting right to the point where I'm like, I don't really know, Like I get why he but I'm just like, is this a good match? Anyways? What was I gonna say? Oh, but Jane Fairfax. So Jane Fairfax, I feel like, is a really really good antidote to how Silly Harriet and miss Bates are written, because she's from that same class

and what they get rid of in the movie. I think, correct me if this is like referenced in a scene in Passing, but that like, Jane's situation is that she is firm like she's a Bates, She's of that class, she's related to them, but when her parents died, she ended up like going to stay with a rich friend of her father's and so she grew up in the upper class, but she's not of them, and so her situation is that she can hang out in the upper class, but ultimately, when she turns twenty one, she has to

become a governess or like she has to have a working class job. Do they mention that in the movie, because like the stakes are pretty high for her, right, So it's like confusing the way she appears in the movie. I found a little confusing because it's like in the book, her stakes are very high in terms of like she's grown up a certain way. It's clear that she doesn't want to leave everyone she knows because her parents happened to be middle class, but she's going to have to.

And then you know, she's secretly engaged to Frank for most of the book, but Frank treats her so badly that she's like at the end, she's like, fuck you, I'm going to become a governess. And that is what motivates him to Yeah, like all of it, Like, there's a lot of Jane's stuff that goes on in the book. She and Emma have a lot of scenes together in the book that I really liked where Jane you get

moments of it in the movie. But like Emma is jealous of Jane because Jane is just as whatever refined, if not more so, is just as talented, if not more so, than Emma and is from the middle class, and so that's what bothers Emma about it, is like Jane doesn't have a lot of the advantages that Emma did of birth, but is kind of like better than

her in a lot of ways. And so Emma kind of like weaponizes that insecurity about like how is Jane so good at this, this and this, and kind of flings it in her face and Jane responds, and like there's this interesting tension between them, and by the end, Emma grows a little bit and once she realizes like Jane was in love with Frank and like Emma was totally off about everything, she goes to Jane and gives like a really sincere apology and is like, I wish

that we had been friends all of these years, but we were pitted against each other when we were so young. And also I was jealous of you, and like I'm sorry, and I hope that you have a happy life marrying this fucking jerk. But like it was just I thought it was a very satisfying. Jane was my favorite, yeah, because she just she did what she had to do, but she did it with class and she didn't meddle, and I just wish she was like ended up with someone cooler than Frank, but she loved Frank. So I

guess sure, fine, Oh, I guess sure. Justice for Jane. No no. Yeah. Also, there's too many Janes, because there's Jane and Pride and prejudice too, and there's she Jane Austin. There were like seven different names back then. I guess it's an interesting adaptation because it's been I guess pretty

thoroughly debated. Whether Jane Austin even likes Emma based on the way she written in the book and the fact that she Some people view Emma the novel as like a full on class satire because Emma learns all these things about the world and still acts like a rich person at the end of the day. And so like, Emma gets everything she wants because of course she does, she's fucking rich. Like, no matter how much you force onto the like genteel class about the reality of the world,

things are still going to work out for them. And like, so there is a way of looking at it from the book of like, yeah, Emma sucks. The author knows that,

and like, to some extent, that's the point. But because of how movies work, and are sold you can't really do that, or you can, but like most adaptations choose not to over like having Emma display learning, Like I feel like this movie takes the I don't think this is like unusual, but like this movie takes the route of like she learns about class and successfully applies that to how she lives her life, and she stands as this like symbol that she does in the book as

well of like you can have the most privileged it's possible for a woman to have in this time and still be basically fucked, which is which is something that I think is touched on more effectively in Pride and Prejudice. Right, Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, I I don't like Emma, but I like watching Emma, and I'm constantly frustrated by like the lack of consequences she experiences. This movie has to add consequences to get her to a place where it seems like she's grown, and it still feels like

she kind of gets off easy for whatever. Right, she doesn't grow or arc as much as I would want to see a character grow. But also, you know, she does come from extremely rich and privileged background, so like kind of what do you expect from someone like that? You kind of just like I would have to like suspend my disbelief more that she does have a significant arc and that she lets go of some of her

perhaps prides and prejudices the ha ha. And I think it is more believable that she kind of stays a pretty static character, right, I mean, if it is satire, I mean the movie. I don't think the movie is satire. The movie, I feel like definitely isn't satire. The book arguably could be seen that way, but also we're not talking about the button, but the movie I don't think. I think the movie tries to kind of plays it pretty straight. Yeah, and like adds in moments to give

Emma growth. And I thought it was like interesting. I read some and watched some interviews with the director of this movie, who I man, hope she's listening. She I'm like, she's so fucking cool. After Autumn de Wilde, it was her first feature, she directed, her first feature in her late forties. She walks with a cane that has a shot glass built into the cane, which she's just so fucking cool, Like it's unbelievable. And she started as a

music video director. She's like of that pipeline, but unlike many male music video directors who I feel like direct, you know, like I'm thinking of like your David Fincher's, your Spike Joneses, who direct a few successful music videos and then are directing movies by the time they're in their late twenties early thirties. She had to fight to make not this movie specifically, but like to make a movie of her own for decades because you know, misogyny

and what. Anyways, Sorry, we've ben talked about this on the show before. Excuse me, and I don't have time hang on, but she fucking rocks, Like all of her interviews are like she's just she dresses. She just oh you'll like this. She described her personal style as Oscar Wilde meets Paddington Bear, and it totally tracks. She's just

she's so fun. Like she sort of made it her mission statement of the movie to like create a very beautiful movie, which like mission accomplished that I hear based on all of the fucking costuming YouTubers I watch because I'm a Door is a very period accurate nice because all the all the costuming YouTubers they're like this is eighteen o four and it should be eighteen o four and a half, like whatever, But this one apparently like

the attention to details, like on point, it's beautiful. It looks like a music video in a way that isn't distracting whatever. But she said like, oh, I you know, you have this flawed heroine in the form of Emma. And I'm like that is true, but I and yet I really like and this isn't even a criticism of the movie or the book. I just am like, yeah,

I don't like Emma. Like I'm like not, I'm interested in what happens to her, and I want her to display growth, but I like, don't really, it's so obvious that she's going to be fine, and then at the end she's fine, right yeah, where it's like with Lizzie Bennett, the stakes are relatively high, like she you know, and it is like we talked about in the last episode, where it's like, you know, the middle class is not a death sentence, but in the society that they're in it,

you know, the misogyny was much more intense and there's all this stuff, but Emma doesn't really It's made very clear early on that even though Emma remaining single, there is some discrimination against her, which you get in those few moments of like well wives first, like single ladies to the back, and Emma never wants to get married, So this is how she'll be treated her whole life.

But it's made clear very early in the book and I think in the movie too, that like, even though this is an unconventional decision, her immediate support system fully accepts it and accepts her and thinks she's amazing, and she'll be able to do it without her quality of life being sacrificed, right because, as we talked about in the last episode, one of the reasons that so many women were so concerned about, like, oh my god, I have to get married, and I have to get married

right now, and it has to be to a man who has a big income, because that was literally a survival thing. More than the very tropy. Women just love romance and they love getting married for the sake of

being married thing. So it's just like when Lizzie Bennett refuses someone's hand, a rich person's hand, it's a way bigger deal than when Emma refuses anyone because she's going to be fine no matter what which just for me makes it like her a like rich Girl learns a lesson is just not a very compelling narrative to me. Let me pronouncing the tia narrative, what a bitch, Sorry, but it isn't like I just I don't know. And again it's like, I'll be damned if I could tell

you why it works for me. And clue is maybe I just like the outfits better. But like, yeah, rich girl learns a lesson is just not interesting to me, especially because it's like there, I just think, I don't know. I'm just like Jane Fairfax is more like her story is more interesting, Like I've in my mind, Emma is a b character and Jane Fairfax's story, which is more laired and more interesting, it has more to say about class and gender and like how people interact with each other.

But I see what you mean. I don't think it's the most compelling story ever told. Sure, which is my standard for every movie. But if we do have to watch movies about rich people, which many movies are, I'd rather them learn and have an arc and see the error of the ways. But the thing, I think what Emma learns more than like I should be more empathetic to people of a lower class than me. What she learns more than that lesson is she just learns to

stop meddling in other people's lives. Right, So for sure, if she learned something that had more to do with like, oh, I should stop treating poor people like they're a little project of mine and treat them like human beings, or I should spread my wealth meaningfully or something like that, I would find that way more compelling than her just being like, oops, I played Matchmaker one too many times or whatever. Right, And it's like hard because it's like

I know that. That's why this story is like light and fluffy and fun. It is because it's like this young woman is clearly like if I was, like Emma's clearly projecting, like that's so much of the movie as like I don't want to deal with my or maybe it's clear in the book. I don't know, Like it

feels kind of clear that it's like Emma. Part of the reason Emma metals and other people's lives is because she is not able to see herself as the protagonist of her own life, which is interesting, like she keeps casting herself as like Judy Greer in her own life, and it's like interesting choice because you're literally a millionaire, And like, I wonder, I'm sure someone's done Emma's astrological chart, because it's so like she does have this like superhuman

ability to like that I know, like people have, but

it's just not relatable to me at all. Of like, she's able to see romantic issues very like objectively, and she looks at romance in terms of class, which I think, which is why I wish that I guess that that's part of why I ultimately kind of walk away disappointed that there's not more said about class, because she is very obviously arranging people and doing this like puppetmaster thing based on class, like the reason that she wants Harriet like and and and then there's also this theme in

the book that is not touched on in the movie, where it's like or she she says it about mister Martin. I think that that's the most you get. At the beginning of the movie, she talks about like, well, I don't give a shit about mister Martin because he's not poor enough for me to look like a hero if I help him, right, He's not rich enough that he can actually hang out with me, so why would I

give a shit about him? And she's basically like, the middle class is useless to me, because right, and so it's like she's she's an extremely classist character and that is like cannon to the book and the movie and like explicitly says like and she says this too, Harriet, which makes it clear that Emma's like, yeah, I consider you someone worth helping because because you're so poor, right, you come from nothing, and you don't even know who your parents are. But let's pretend like your father is

a gentleman. That's just what we'll say, right, And like, so it's a game turn her like poor people are pawns, and a game that she uses to elevate her own profile, a game of chess. Netflix. I gave of my boyfriend chess. Netflix. That's what a fun name, mewtwo. You two. I'm so tired? Okay, so same oh oh, So, like Emma is like the metaiest metaller that ever was, And part of it's because she is like you know, like she says, I don't want to get married, but then it turns out that

that's not actually the case. Find that happens whatever, But she's she's matching according to class, like she wants Harriet to class jump, like she wants Harriett to jump at tax bracket. And that is why she keeps trying to convince Harriet that she's in love with all of these men.

And Harriet is very young and very impressionable and kind of out of her depth in many ways in this story, and so she ends up like experiencing a lot of emotional pain as I think, like a late high school early college student, right, because this rich girl is like, I want you to jump class you know, which, which is in the context of this society, Like you could argue, you know, Emma wants to secure Harriet a better future

than she would have if they hadn't met. Sure, However, once mister Knightley comes into the picture, obviously that's not the case because once she figures out like and this is more explicit in the book, but like, once Emma figures out that Harriet is in love with mister Knightley, technically that is exactly what Emma was trying to do, make a match for Harriet that was above her class

that Harriet felt good about. Right, But Emma's like no, no, not no, that's actually he's mine, So you have to go to the dentist like for a month, and then she like possibly fucks her friend over permanently, and then thankfully Harry it gets to marry the guy she wanted to marry the whole time. And Emma she doesn't apologize to I mean, she does apologize to Harriet in the book, but then she never speaks to her again, so it's like, right,

what was the point I do? Like in the their friendship in the movie I think is more effective, but it's still just because of like the source material. It's like it's just never going to be super satisfying because Harriet is just so forgiving of Emma. Everyone is everyone

she loves Emma. It could be like effective commentary maybe if it was like approached differently, but just like people's tendency to give rich people so much leeway and like forgive them for all of their you know, horrible misdeeds, but the movie isn't really commenting on that. It's just like presenting, well, the book isn't either, Like right, again, a lot of the problems with the movies storyline are

part and parcel to what the like. I think that the I do think the movie does the most I can with the story without striking too far from the story. Shout out to screenwriter Eleanor Katton, who was a novelist who has more recently gone to screenwriting, which is fun. Love that for her. I read what was the book

of hers? I read? I read, Oh, the Luminaries. It was good anyways, but there's yeah, there's just like so much like Emma Is I guess considered one of Jane Austen's more conservative novels because it ultimately kind of ends upholding upholding the status quo in most ways where viewed from one side, it's like, oh, that's great that Harriet married mister Martin because that was who she liked the most the whole time, so like, that's her following her bliss.

But also Jane Austen made these people up, and she made it that in every case everyone married from except for the only couple that is like has class disparity in the way that like dars See and Lizzie Bennett do is Jane Fairfax and Frank Churchill. That's the one couple actually that is worth But the movie kind of chooses not to doesn't really make it clear that that that happens because of Jane Fairfax. Erasure right glosses over

what Jane Fairfax's situation is. I'm going to write one of those horrible God, I'm so sick of this happening, but I think it would be fun for Jane Fairfax, you know, like when I feel like it like peeked with like Wicked and like those Gregory mick Whatever's guys books where he's like, remember this B character, Well, I wrote a whole book about them having sex, And you're like, I don't want I don't think I wanted that, but they were all bestsellers in like the mid to late

two thousands. They're like, yeah, remember the like he wrote a book about the step sisters. He wrote Wicked. They're just like, yeah, I remember this B character. They they're so funking horny, and you're just like, ah, okay, whatever, I guess. A matron pointed out. Shout out to Abigail pointed out on the comments of our Prime Prejudice episode that an author named Janice Hadlow wrote a novel called The Other Bennett's Sister to flesh out the character of

Mary Bennett. She was, so see that's the one acceptable answer. So that's fine. Mary Bennett and Jane Fairfax are the two side characters who are underdeveloped in the books and adaptations that I want to write. Oh I want to read that Mary Bennett book. Yeah. Oh, Also, someone tweeted this at me. I don't know how we missed this, you knoww we were like, oh, the actor who plays Mary as the least famous of everyone. Apparently she was

married to Elon Musk twice. Twice they got married and then divorced, and then married again and then divorced again. So she was busy doing some probably fucked up stuff. Yeah, so that I guess that's why she's not acting, because she's she was. Look, you're we all on this planet have one job, and it's still like not marry Elon

Musk and many people have um simply failed. As you hear that Grimes is La who was married to him right now, she did not marry him and then she broke up with him, but she did have a baby with him. Oh right, okay, okay, And that is unfortunately way too much information that I knew. But I'm a recovering Grimes fan. I really was. I was a huge fan of hers in college and I was like, Wow, she's so cool, and then you married Elon Musk. Disappointed.

Oh you know what, what what I should have said instead of that actor who married Elon Musk twice, I should have said mute two times. Oh anyway, go on, Oh my goodness, Okay, I guess I'm sorry. I don't know anyways, Jane Fairfax Rocks Emma is. Emma is fine, but she's not the most interesting person in the story, I don't think sure. The couple things that struck me about her since I wasn't familiar with the book and

didn't know how this adaptation compared to the book. Speaking strictly from watching the movie, standpoint, I found it interesting that Emma Her relationship with women was noteworthy in that she seems to hate almost every woman she encounters, with the exception of Harriet. But that's also an interesting relationship because MS sees Harriet and missus Weston right, yes, yes, yes, yeah, oh right, okay, So Harriet MS sees more as a

project than a French person. Yeah, especially in the book as you've described it, she was just going to be like sorry, mister Knightley's mine. You have to go to the dentist now. Right. In the movie, they do change that, which humanizes EMA's character more. But even so, m spends most of the movie not really treating Harriet as an equal and being like, I'm the teacher. I teach you things, and you have to do as I say, and if you make choices that I don't like, then I'm not

gonna want to be your friend. So that's a peculiar relationship with Missus Weston. Well, Missus Weston is like basically her like surrogate mom. So that's right. I think why that relationship goes away it is, I do. Yeah, if with Emma there is this kind of strong, like she has a bit of a guy's gal energy about her, where she's much more forgiving and even like celebrates the faults of the men around her and is very very

punitive and judgmental of other women around her. I feel like again in the book and at the movie to an extent, that's contextualized a little better, where you know, like, part of why Lizzie Bennett is amazing is because there's constantly this pressure on her to dislike other women and She's like, no, fuck you. This is an important relationship

to be and that's why Lizzie Bennett's the best. Emma on the other hand, I feel like experience is that same pressure of like we live in a small community, everyone's in competition with each other, blah blah blah, and she gives into that I feel like in a major way, in a way that probably wasn't unusual for that time and still happens now, right, But yeah, Emma doesn't really push back on that until at the end of the book where she issues a series of apologies and makes

things right, which like sort of happens in the movie.

I don't know. I wish that had happened more in a movie, because if the movie is asking us to be endeared and empathetic toward Emma, yeah, she needs to grow more and she needs to apologize because the way I was seeing it, she starts out hating a lot of the women around her, but then sees the error in her ways, Like especially after after she's cruel to Miss Bates, she offers her a basket and I guess that's an apology, but she like kind of she comes

around on Miss Bates. She doesn't really come around on Jane Fairfax in the movie. I would have liked to see more of Emma acknowledging that she was being very petty and jealous and classics toward Jane, but that we don't really see that in the movie, which is weird because I feel like it would help the movie, and it definitely happens right right with Harriet. Obviously, that's a major change in this adaptation, and I think for the better because it again does make Emma more empathetic and

more active. So I'm pro that choice. But I think a more effective film overall and like adaptation would have shown Emma being prejudice toward the women around her at the beginning, but then reconciling with them and like growing and having those relationships become more positive by the end fresh versus like in the beginning, she's favoring a lot of the men around her and like thinking they're awesome.

She thinks mister Elton is awesome at first. She thinks Frank Churchill is awesome before she has ever even met him, you know. She thinks all these men are awesome. And this is I think done pretty effectively in the movie, where she as she gets to know them, realizes their actually way worse than she thought, so basically like the arc for Emma should have been, like she starts out as a very bad, very poor judge of character, and then by the end she becomes a way better judge

of character. And maybe that's and which is like also kind of what priend prejudice it is about, but it's just better. It's better. I mean, I know that not everyone can be Lizzie Bennett, but I'm just like, damn Emma, Lizzie Bennett, no contest, honey, I would so be friends with Elizabeth Bennett. I don't want to be friends with Emma Woodhouse, No, I wish her no ill, But I do want to be friends with Jane. And I want to talk Jane into divorcing Frank and eloping with me

because she's awesome. But also it's I don't know in this world Jane ending up with Frank is It's funny because it's like I kind of in some ways, I kind of like and again I'm maybe talking more about the book here, but like I kind of like mister Knightley more than I like Emma, which feels like a betrayal. But like mister Knightley, I see what you mean. Like

mister Knightley, it has the same amount. I mean, he has more privilege than Emma because he's a man, right, so like inherently, but personality wise, mister Knightley is way more willing, probably also because he's older, way more willing to be like you can't treat people like that or like in the book especially he goes on some you know, too long tears, but like he's he's I think more often than Emma presents the morally correct standpoint towards a

character where he's very quick to be like Frank is a bullshit artist, like something isn't quite right there. He's like courting you, but it's weird, like he catches on to that very quickly. He also catches on quick to like Emma, why are you being mean to Jane? She's like a perfectly nice person and I think you're maybe a little bit jealous of her. And Emma's like no, which is which is pointed coming from a man, because it's like what does he know? But also he's like

correct in that situation. And then he also is the person that's like, you can't treat miss bates like that, and he lays out a pretty like I thought, like and this is in the book too, but like a pretty gender and class aware argument as to why he's like, not only does it mean but you need to keep in mind that she does not have the same amount of privilege that you have, right, and because of how our society is structured, her situation is going to get

worse with time, So like, how dare you talk to her that way? Right, which is also like, well, nightly, you could always help her out, You're a fucking bajillionaire. But just the fact that he sees and understands gender and class issues better than Emma in some ways, and then obviously there's other other ways that Emma like Emma seems hyper aware of the fact that she will be treated differently her whole life if she never gets married,

and she's already said like, I'm fine with that. It sucks, but I'm fine with that, which is I think one of the only points that that character has to make that was interesting to me. I don't know, I guess I'm anti. I just don't like whatever, Like you don't have to like her, I don't In many cases, like she's supposed to be hard to like, and it works. I found it hard to like her, right yeah, Because it's also mister Knightley who sees through Frank Churchill right

away too, and it's like this guy sucks. How do you not notice this? And Emma's like, no, he's awesome. And in the book, Emma forgives Frank. Frank sends her this long letter and he's like, hey, sorry, I was like aggressively flirting with you all that time. I assumed that you knew that I wasn't serious about it, and which in the book is true. So she's like, oh, yeah, I do. But it's like, imagine if she didn't know

how evil that is. And then he's like, yeah, it was really mean of me to be like aggressive, like because he does it once in the movie, he does it all the time. In the book, he's constantly calling Jane weird, looking like to throw everyone off his scent that he secretly engaged to her. He's like, Jane Fairfax,

what a weirdo? Hate her, can't stand her, and like eggs Emma on to do the same, and then she forgives him, and I'm just like, Jane, baby, let's get out of here, like I don't know, it's so bizarre, like Frank sucks and Nightly Nightly. Then oh so in the book, Emma reads the letter and she's like, oh, well, you know, Frank, you know, he made a lot of mistakes, but I'm glad he apologized, which is true. Men don't usually apologize for anything in fiction or real life. So

there you go, that's good. You know, he did more than most people would, but it's still not enough because he did a lot of bad stuff. And Nightly reads the letter after her, and it's like, all right, well, I guess it's good that he apologized, but like, I still think Jane is way too good for him and I don't want to hang out with him. And I was like, yeah, mister Knightley, Well, the other big thing for me with this movie is the romance between Emma

and mister Knightley. I mean, we've already touched on some of this stuff, but you know, it starts out not unlike the way that like the Lizzie Bennett and Darcy relationships starts out where they are, you know, antagonistic toward each other. With Emma and Nightly, it's a little more like teasy and like they're acquainted already, so they have like a rapport that they've had for many years. Yeah, it's cute. It's cute. And what I find maybe this is maybe this is just me, but if I like someone,

I'm very acutely aware that I like them. I've never experienced the thing that seems to happen a lot in movies where someone realizes that they've been in love with someone for months or years. Has this Does this happen to other people? Where they're like, they're just completely clueless that they're in love with someone, and one day the right clueless, one day a light bulb goes off and they're like, wait a minute, I've been in love with this person the whole time. Is that a thing? I

don't know? I mean, I I don't think like in this way. I think I find that more. I think that that happens more often than enemies to lovers, Like I do think that it's like I know, I mean, I guess you could argue that that's sort of what happened with my parents. They were friends for like I mean, granted they're extremely divorced, but my parents were like friends

for seven years and then they started dating. But were they like secretly in love with each other that whole time and then they find they like suddenly realized it or is it? Probably not, Caitlin, But do I think that Nightly has had a thing for Emma forever? Which gets problematic because she was a kid for a lot

of that. But I don't know. I do think that they're like, I don't think it happens as often as it happens in books, but I do think that, like there's plenty of examples in real life of people being friends for a long time and then falling in love. Well, yeah, that I think that's definite thing. But I'm saying, not like realizing I've loved you the whole time. I don't understand how that would right. Yeah, that sounds made out. I mean again, maybe maybe there are people out there

that that happened, but I don't. I'm just like, I don't know. Maybe I'm just so aware of my feelings brag that I just know if I love someone, I don't know. I anyway, I guess that that well, I know, you know what, I think it happens, I do, okay, because I was just like, wait, I think that that that's actually kind of what happens in my first major relationship. I well, I the point I was going to try to make was because I like realistic representations of romance

in media because it so rarely happens. Yeah, so many romantic movies just like make up a thing that doesn't seem to happen ever in real life, and that's like the crux of the relationship, and then convinces people that that's how stuff is going to go in their life and that it doesn't and then they're just like well, and then they're thirty and then they're like, wait a second, I guess that wasn't a thing, right, So I was

just curious, So sound off in the comments. Also, matrons, if if it's happened to you where you've loved someone for a long time but it took you a very long time to realize it and you had no idea about your feelings, because if that is a thing, then I will I will hold my tongue. I think it does happen, but not as often as it does in ficture. That's my that's my I don't know, sorry, but that's my two little pet. That's should we just end the episode, I don't know things are going off the rails. I

don't think I have anything else to say. Honestly, I will say that in the comments of our Patreon someone mentioned that Miss Bates and Emma, or their opinion was it Miss Bates and Emma was as close to um Jane Austen's financial situation, which was that she like had some money as a young person, but then when certain relatives die, she was dependent and it was single because her income from writing wasn't significant enough to like elevate

her to like Emma's status. So God, just more more grist, little to chew on. Yeah, do you ever? Do you have anything else here? Just one last really quick thing. This is something we you talked about in the ever After episode. Yes, okay, I is another movie that paints romani people as dangerous thieves. It's not as egregious in this movie as it is and ever After I would argue, but there's a definite mention of it. And that's something that's in the book that I was shocked made it

to the movie. Shocked, Yeah, because this movie was made two years ago and everyone involved should have known better, because it's like this movie does take creative license with a lot of plot points. Why not that one peepee poop poo bad job. Yes, Other than that, yeah, I think, um,

I guess. My parting word. My parting thoughts are that this adaptation could have lent itself to a character in Emma that I would be more empathetic toward, had she demonstrated more growth by the end, a better judge of character by the end, gotten rid of her prides and prejudices by the end, especially because so many of the people that she was quick to judge or mistreat our other women, And had Emma not ended up such a classist, anti woman character, which is so hard because it's like

I don't think that Emma's like anti woman per se, but like it's just like it's a very weird, complicated thing that the way that this story has been adapted makes it hard to be on Emma's side as much as the movie would like you to be. I think right in the book, I feel like my I forget what other but I'm like, I find it very easy to believe that the book has elements of satire to it, of like rich people are going to be rich people,

and like, look at all these. I don't know. This one is kind of tough because I always want to be resistant towards like why doesn't this movie that takes place in eighteen twelve have the morals of today. It's like, well, we know why, right, But then also why choose to adapt something from back then in the twenty twenties and not really say anything or do anything about it. I felt that way with like, well, I think that she tried, Like I that's willy come to the But I do

think that they tried. I think they changed elements and they tried to put you more in the friendship with Emma and Harriet. And they try and they did, like I mean, and they were successful in putting you more in Emma and Harriet's friendship and demonstrating more personal growth on Emma's part than takes place in the book. I just think it gets a little dissonant, and it gets into what was Jane Austen's intent with this character, and does the movie telegraph that same intent? So I think

it's just like it's adaptation wise. For me, it's a little messy because I don't think my read of the book was that you're not really supposed to be like Wahoo, Emma got everything she wanted. It's more like and obviously Emma got everything she wanted, where the movie wants you to be more like Wallhoo, Emma got everything she wanted.

And it's just hard when someone is that privileged and most of her growth happens through minor inconveniences that affect other people more than herself, it's hard to root for her, and it's hard to be like Wall who she got what she wanted because you're told in the opening line she's clever, handsome, and rich. She gets what she wants, right, So why am I supposed to be cheering at the end when she gets what she wants? So I just

I don't know. I've it's weird, and it's like I want to be careful to not like Project twenty twenty two morals onto this story and in the same way or like, but Jane Austen has done a better like we just covered a story where Jane Austen did, I think, like a much more effective job of discussing these same topics that feel weird in this adaptation. Right, it's just weird. I don't know. My opinion is it's fucking weird. Who knows.

I mean, honestly, I have had such a good time prepping for the It's not to brag, but it's taken way longer than it usually does when you're reading a whole book and then watching a movie a billion times.

But I feel really something revisiting Jane Austen's work and like having to engage with a period piece like this critically, because it is challenging to be like, Okay, you know we're an intersectional feminist podcast, but what does that mean with this work, and like, how can we analyze something without coming to the table with a completely unreasonable expectation, and like how does adaptation to I don't know. It's been a fun little brain puzzle that everyone's going to

view differently, but I've enjoyed it. I don't know, But I mean Pride and Prejudice way fucking better. And I don't think that that's the fault of the filmmakers of this movie. This movie is gorgeous. All the performances are well done. The only thing that I would really criticize about this movie that is the treatment of Romani people. And also just like I mean, scaling back Jane, I didn't love and removing more effective apologies that were in the book but were left out in the movie. I

thought was bizarre. But but the third act changes, even though some of them, like you were saying, were like a little too modern, even so I liked the third act changes they made. I thought it was like a cool. It kind of reminded me of another White Girl reboot we saw recently with Little Women, where Gredick Gerwick was doing all sorts of funery with the third act of that movie, and it worked out in this really fun,

cool way that had something to say. This one maybe didn't have quite as much to say, but I thought it was like a cool I don't know, I'm happy it exists. I would rather see more adaptations of Pride and Prejudice than of Emma. And also, you know, I don't, I don't know. I mean, I don't. I don't even know that I necessarily feel like no more Jane Austen adaptations. I think it's kind of cool that there are these properties that get a generational reboot. It's kind of like

Shakespeare in that way, like Where and Autumn. De Wilde says that in an interview where the first question an interviewer asked her, was like, so why in Emma reboot? Why now? And she's like, no, I've literally never heard that asked of a Shakespeare reboots. So I don't know how to answer that question, right, So I don't. I don't know. It's it's all, it's all weird. Should we cover Pride and prejudice and zombies? No? It sucks. I

never saw it sucks. It's so boring. But Joel Kim, Booster and Boie Yang are in that Pride and Prejudice reaming called Fire Island that comes out next year. Oh, I didn't realize that was I had no idea see it. So it's like this is like these are fun stories to reimagine and readapt and like still like Clueless is the most fun I think in like insightful ly adapted version of Emma. But I liked this movie. I thought that they did cool stuff and it like it's so

beautiful it is. I liked it. It It passes the Bechdel test. M it does, sure does. What would you rate it on our nimble scale? Because I don't know. I think I'm gonna go with like two and a half or three, like something like maybe three given the time period, because it's like centering a complicated woman at the center of a story in a movie that's directed and written by women, that's adapted from an old ass book by a woman. A woman it bears saying that it is all white women,

you know, right down the line there. However, it's like it is. It is rare in that regard, and I feel like that's a lot of the reason why this story has endured and so for its time specifically. Yeah, a complicated female character at the center of a story, whether I like her or not, is something. Sure, she's no Elizabeth Bennett honey, but I think even Jane Austen knows that, you know. So it's like it is it, it's complicated. I don't like Emma. I just don't love

I don't know. These are just like like I think that ultimately, like Emma doesn't. She understands what she's done, but there's not really any consequence for it in a way that I find so frustrating. She's like fucking with the like she could have ruined Harriet's life. It's like it really like she could have rout like in this society specifically, Emma is trying to make herself feel like she's doing something, like she's whatever, insecure about whatever it is.

It's everyone quite clear to me what it is, and so she needs to feel like she's doing something. But she's ruining the life of someone much poorer than her. So I hate that. But I do, like I mean, in terms of the class spectrum, there is a lot of women of different classes that I think are all I still think that Miss Bates and Harriet are made to look silly because of their class and made to seem like under educated. Yeah, but you do get humanizing

moments with them. It's not like their total cartoon characters. It's just all so complicated. I don't know. But like Emma is handsome, clever, and rich. It's on the fucking poster. She starts the story that way, and she ends the story that way, and she does learn a lesson about meddling. But I think, given the fact that she's meddling on a class basis, I just wish that this movie had word to say about class. It's so it's hard, I guess I'll But because Autumn deWilde is really fucking cool,

I want to see more movies from her. I thought the screenplay was pretty well done for like Annie Taylor Joy is you know chess Netflix, She's great Bill and I he no notes, Like, I guess I'll give it three nipples, and I'm giving them all to Jane Fairfax. Give her a spare put in her pocket like a tire nice. I will agree on three. I think, just echoing a lot of your thoughts on it definitely could have,

especially again an adaptation coming out in twenty twenty. I feel like, and I mean, maybe this is just because we've been doing this podcast for over five years, but I'm of the mind that if you're going to adapt something with such old source material, accompany it with some interesting commentary or make adaptation changes that update the story in interesting and meaningful ways. And I think I think this movie does attempt that to some degree, but I

agree that it doesn't do quite enough. Yeah, Like, I don't necessarily want to see like an eighteen hundred story with twenty twenty two morals, but like maybe I do. But also I'm like, I think I just like want to see new story, right, I don't know, I don't know, And I guess some things are just there for entertainment. And we don't need big whatever or whatever. Mute two mute. Oh my god, and this era. I was about to make a terrible joke go about the mewtwo movement anyway, Okay,

sorry everything, mute the hashtag mutube movement. You're evil. Oh my god, that's so funny. Okay, three nipples I will give. I'll give one to Harriet. I'll give one to miss Bates because she deserves way more of an apology than she got from Emma. And then I'll give my funnel nipple to Bill Ni because I'm dying. You literally said the mutube movement. It's the worst thing I've ever said. Maybe I need to take a nap. That was unbelievable.

Wow Wow, well I I well everyone, I hope it was worth waiting five years because Caitlin just said the mutube movement. Um, I'm gonna get canceled for that. No, I truly like we said it in our in our pride and pressure this episode. But this was very rewarding, very cool. Uh. You know, we're not going to read a book for another five years, but thank you. Well, we'll do Wuthering Heights in five years. Oh, I don't know about that I take it back. Uh, you know,

it's just, uh, we're not a buck podcast. It really takes a lot out of us. But he will be back. We'll be back. We'll be back next month talking about who knows, maybe Detective Pikachu. Do you do you all want that? Do you home want? That's not enough in the comments? All right, Well there you have it. That was our unlocked Emma episode from our Patreon aka Matreon, where you can subscribe to find even more episodes like that. You'll notice we mentioned the Pride and Prejudice episode that

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in the movie Emma twenty twenty. Yes, and with that we fare thee well bye bye.