This is the baseline discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. Welcome everybody, your tune to the baseline Callie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA and we are back at it again, another hot and heavy episode that are covered in edition of the Autopsy Reports NBA Playoff Action. It is crazy hype as we continue to move forward ever so closer, you know to what everyone says is, you know, trying to get to the top of the
mountain, right riding space mountain like Rick Flair. One team wants to be the one hoisting that trophy. And we've been watching some awesome Round one action of NBA Playoff Basketball, and you accompany that with are coveted autopsy reports. Man, I mean, it's just a great time to be alive, even if you're dead. So let me go ahead and roll out the red carpet to my right hand man's www Dot Shaw Sports Dot epic of Huna P ANDC. My man, mister Warrenshaw rapping out of fat Lad Florida. What's good,
brother Shaw? I know you have been thoroughly impressed so far with the first round action of NBA Playoff basketball, and it just gets us all warmed up and excited for us to do another edition of our autopsy reports. You know what it is, brother, you know you know you know me for a long time and understand my my understanding and feelings about the game. And yet again one team just jumping the line here to get on top of our
autopsyport. Couldn't wait for the baseline boys jumping on you know, give us we don't hand out. We don't hand out tickets, right, we don't hand out, we don't hand out tickets for autopsies. Right. We might need to start though. I mean again, it's becoming a pretty popular situation.
So, but the playoffs themselves have been really intriguing, a lot of injuries affecting a lot of smack talk going on too, So we need to do some evaluation of ours Talker of the Year conversation as we push things forward. But the NBA Playoffs have have not under promised and not underdelivered in any capacity. A lot of intrigue storylines throughout the course of this first round. And I mean we could we could actually do a show in of itself just
regarding a lot of the first round action. I know, that we have got a jampacked episode of our coveted autopsy reports. But I quickly want to just kind of get your take on a couple of highlighted items that clearly you and I have recognized and maybe our listeners didn't even recognize from what we've seen already in the first round of the NBA Playoffs. First of all, Shaw
a very interesting point by Doc Rivers, which you know I listen. I gotta give it to Doc Rivers, right, the Philadelphia seventy Sixers went in and handle business, and they are quickly emerging is becoming one of the most dangerous teams. All of this is predicated on the health of Joel Embiid indeed, but us seeing the resurgence of James Harden, the role players for the
Philadelphia seventy Sixers. Listen, while everybody is probably still thinking that it's going to be the Bucks of the Celtics that are going to probably come out of the East, I think people really should take note on how dangerous this Philadelphia
seventy Sixers team is. And they definitely made a statement by asking the Brooklyn Nets to exit stage left very quickly in this first round in the NBA Playoffs, and again it just highlights to me how we just cannot take for granted when teams are coming in with their best work at play, how we have to acknowledge what this can mean for them and their playoff run. I would agree. I think, you know, the Philadelphia has acquitted themselves in a
way that many people were skeptical of. They didn't want to see them struggle against It really wasn't an inferior Brooklyn team. Nice story, but a lot of the Nets juicy if you will, was padded by the work Kyrie and KD did before they left. So they add they are out ten games above five hundred when both of those guys got traded, you know, and the Nets more or less was able to maintain some semblance of standing here, but
probably were not the true sixth seed, if that makes sense. In terms of that, I think Atlanta and Atlanta and Miami are both better teams as currently constructed. And then they just ended up running into a bus on the
seventy six ers. But luckily for Philly, they took care of business, didn't play around and really starting to see really truly the emergence of Tyrese Maxi even further than what we've a lot of people said, like they need him to be technically like the second best scorer on that team with Tobias Harris and
even James Harden and filling in supplementary roles. Harden is more facilitator now, So Maxi's a s sorry sure ascension here is really what is the case herein that made Philadelphia is running the first round here as easy ass as it ultimately was. Yeah, the one thing I just wanted, because I know we're going to focus our attention on discussing the brooken Nets is they are obviously one
of the teams that we will be discussing on our autopsy report. My attention is more so about the Philadelphia seventy six ers show in that this, to me, on a macro level, I think is the best case situation for us to properly assess what is going to be the future of the Philadelphia seventy sixers moving forward. Because if you can't have a team that you can truly rely on making a significantly deep run, what changes could you possibly make?
Like the rumors about them getting rid of Doc Rivers, you know, the chance that they're taking signing PJ. Tucker things that nature like for us when we're talking about Tobias Harris, so we're talking about Tyrese Maxie, if you're the Philadelphia sev six is you really want to use this run to properly assess what the future of the Sixers and the success for them to finally get over the hump is gonna mean when you're seeing these guys playing at a high level
and we've seen them fall short year after year. So what I appreciate more than anything is Doc Rivers told these guys and even though I know it's the Brooklyn Nets, Doc Rivers says, go in handle your business. Don't play around with these dudes. Like we're seeing some teams right now, they're probably going to run into a struggle. You're gonna probably start seeing hiccups. Do we start questioning whether or not that's going to be the landscape of the Eastern
Conference. When you're talking about the Bucks, when you're talking about the Celtics against their matchups, I'm just saying that I'm glad to see the Philadelphia seventy six ers leave no question, no stone unturned about the doubt that they should be in the semifinal round, and that to me is a good thing if you're talking about representation and the actual future of the seventy six ers. Yeah, I mean, and that's where do you go from here? So this
is what have you done from a lately situation. I don't think anybody picked the Nets to beat Philadelphia, so some ways they took care of business in a way that everyone expected. Maybe I certainly sweep think most people pick five, maybe even six games, but they were by far and away the better team and that showed, especially in the fourth quarter of that first round series.
So Philly will sit here and wait see what their second round opponent is and if it does happen to beat Boston, Ortlanto whichever one, they have full expectations to get past both of those teams and meet whoever now in these conference finals, because you know, on the other side of the bracket, we have no idea what's happening. You know, we get we could do a whole other show on what the playoffs look like from what we thought they were going to be coming in, you know, a week or so ago.
Absolutely, all right, chear really quick. I want to focus towards the Western Conference, right and what we're seeing emerging now with the field with the Phoenix Suns, right Like, everybody has looked at them and said, if these guys start putting it together, they mess around, they essentially are going to look like the Golden State Warriors from four years ago, four or
five years ago. So you know, my whole thing is when you look at the Western Conference and you see how things are playing out in that first round, what I have acknowledged is the chippiness. The competitive level has gone up way high. Right Like, even amongst the brotherhood of the NBA, we're seeing guys basically saying it's gonna be all out, balls out when when we're playing against each other, we don't care about what the ranking is,
we don't care about what jersey is on your chest. I mean, when you really look at it, man, it's it's amplified the attention of how you know what I'm saying, everybody is grabbing at this opportunity to possibly walk away with a championship this year. And oh, by the way, the Golden Stay Warriors are still amongst those teams that you still have to take that into consideration. This spy the antics of what's taking place in that King's Warrior
series. Yeah, I mean the West is giving everything we thought it would. All the teams out there feel like they have a legitimate chance, um save maybe the Minnesota tripleles, right, and you didn't even though Shade you're just doing Eclipse, I mean, just keeping it a buck. I think at the end of the day, like they don't have championship aspirations, I really feel like that that's where they can be. You know, in their
heart of heart. Everybody else thinks like they could probably do something. And I mean whether good, bad or different. You know, a lot of people would probably say the King don't have a real chance at this, but you know, as we record leading in their series and whatever it is, everybody feels like they're they're right there. So I think what we what we're seeing is really truly the testament of that of understanding, like, yo, why not us? Why not? Why can't we possibly win? You know,
especially if we can stay healthy? And you know, I think that's obviously the unfortunate case for the Clippers. You know, with Kawhi going down with the nice brain and not knowing when he'll be back. You know, that puts them into disadvantage to the aforementioned Phoenix Suns as you spoke about, So the West is great. I don't again, I don't have a good sense of it right now. Who really is the best team. I don't
think Denver's being challenged in the way that is probably requisite. But you can say maybe it's a nice tune up for the next round, and if they do meet Phoenix in that second round, that's gonna be a really great series and I can't wait to see it, absolutely man. So yeah, that that is our quick round up of first round action so far, and obviously you want to keep us locked here because we will continue our conversations and highlight
all of the things that are taking place. There was one thing that I did want to definitely get your perspective on Shaw, and it's it's something that I think even Doc Rivers had highlighted in regards to what we're seeing as the trend that's taking place. I don't want to fixate on whether or not referees
are getting things right or wrong. We do this all the time, but I did really want to get your perspective about the juda cation that is taking place, on how we are looking at the actions, whether it's been in the Eastern Conference or the Western Conference, that that that is that is happening to the players, And I just wanted to get your perspective on it because you're someone you know who kind of looks at everything, you know down the middle. Right, Um, you can say blame can go be on on
on both sides. I'm just wondering from your perspective, Shaw, do you find that the n NBPA is going to lean in more on the idea that there has to be more accountability taking place when we have things like this happening during the the the you know, the client, the height of NBA action right primetime, whatever you want to call it, on being making sure that
we are parsing out proper um punishment to everyone involved. That is taking away from the factor of people being entertained and seeing the best players out on the basketball court basketball court and the best product that's being put out there during the playoffs. Well, it's a layered conversation only in the aspect of the referees and the Referee Association. They're they're going to make those calls in the game
when it comes down to suspension. That ends up being a league issue, right, So it's based on whatever evidence was presented or they review the tapeic center after the action that took place. So it's really multi layered in that too. So the PA and the and the League now they've renegotiated, you know, the collective Bargaining Agreement. So don't know what aspects of referee are
actually involved in that. I'm not sure there's any. But then now the League and the Referees Association has another agreement that they helped that I think more recently was I think of a year or so ago, was negotiated. I don't know how often they go back review take a look at kind of the things and I think you talk about you know, the Competition committee and all
those other things that those types of conversations come up. But in its totality, what we've seen this year and Thistager's playoffs specifically, has been a lack of consistency. And it's almost really interesting because they just try to put some semblance of parameters in when it comes to the establishment of awards, right, these awards need to have this minimum criteria siveral, fourth and so forth.
I think in some ways you're going to be looking at all. Right, well, you know what type of offenses, and the offenses are going to carry this weight and this type of criteria minimum finds, maximum finds, suspension, no suspension based on kind of the judication of whatever the penalty or a situation is. Um it seems a little haphazard currently right now. And that is what players don't like more than anything else, as well as coaches.
Just the inconsistency of understanding what what what what penalty fits the crime. We don't know, so they will need to take a look at that in some capacity. I just don't have enough education in terms of the back end to
understand exactly what that looks like. But I would, I would imagine silver and all those involved are going to say, hey, lest summer, let's let's get together and see how we mess some things up here, you know, especially in those first round hopefully gets better, and then see if there are some things that can make the players and the players association a little bit
happier. Moving for Callie warns y'all to Baseline NBA Podcasts, and as always, man, we appreciate you and yours for hopping on board with us this week. We got a lot to get into man sew and I about to drop on them white coats, and it's time to examine and exhum two new teams. They're being added to the slab for our autopsy reports. We will
be talking about the Toronto Raptors and the Brooklyn Nets. Both teams interesting path to their deaths, and obviously our eulogies will be somewhat of an interesting call, so to speak. Is there a future for both of those teams. Obviously one of them is taking a completely different path about dictating where their future is going to be, and we'll talk about that in a moment, but
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man, they knew we were coming. Night time Now for the breakdown. Callie Warrenshaw The Baseline NBA podcasts and this is uncoveted autopsy reports. When we get to examining zoom teams who unfortunately are no longer with us for the
run for the NBA Finals or the NBA title for that matter. And so two new teams are going to basically put on the slab, and the first one that was stepping up onto the examiner's report, it's going to be the Toronto Raptors, and you know, Sew, it's it's interesting, Uh, the Toronto Raptors themselves are obviously, um, you know, putting some bodies on the slab as the recent reports um came through the wire of them letting go Nick nurse To as their head coach, which I think has shocked me
more than I'm sure you were shocked by this as well, and anyone else, you know what a pulse would be totally shocked. Here you have a guy who basically took the team to the NBA Championship in twenty eighteen. He has an over you know, five hundred percentage as the head coach, arguably
one of the more heady minds in the NBA. I think it really surprises me that given the circumstances and what the Toronto Raptors basically had to do to get to themselves to be a part of the playing situation, and though they did not know get into the playoffs, understandable the fact that Massaia Yujuri just thought it was best that they part ways with Nick Nurse. I don't know what could possibly be the justification for it, but clearly there's gonna be a
lot of work down the road for this team. I just didn't think it was going to start with their head coach. Well, Nick had been alluding to it a little bit, and I guess maybe he him aside with having some conversations, but there's a little bit of had he lost the locker room conversation going on here. We know he's a you know, anigmatic guy, does a lot of things kind of quote outside the box that can resonate and
seemed to work. Others may call it gimmicky, and you know whether or not those those gimmicks or those you know, those strategies started to wear thin, and I think it's up for debate, just depending on the circles that you're in. Toronto had an uneven season. They played better towards the end, especially after getting Yaka Peurdle. They were above slightly thirteen and ten.
I think after the All Star break and you know, trade deadline, so you know they finished at forty one to forty one though, right, So this is a team that I think looked at in the water for a little while but then showed glimpses. And I remember various reporters or watching games and sometimes saying it's like, yo, how was this team where they're at? Just like they were completely underachieving. Ultimately, though Nick Nurse, you know
is has moved on. I feel like it's while it's coming off as a quote unquote firing, I think he probably was not long for the job in that itself as well too, So Hybrid goes, he moves on, and now you know, Udoka is a leading candidate in the clubhouse for for a team that has obviously some talent with it, they have some big roster decisions to make as well. Though. They acquired Yaka Purdle as I mentioned earlier, but he's not under contract, so they have to figure out they're going
to re up on him. But at one number does that does that give you? And a question I want to get to for you is really kind of dual fold because they have three guys in in very various different situations Fred van Vliet has a player option, Gary Trent has a player option. O Gianna Nobi just wants to be out. He wishes the player option because he would be exercising that and piecing out on them. I think on the first thing, smoke, so Van Vleet did not have a really great year,
especially shooting the basketball. He really struggled with that. But I think there was a lot of like, oh, he's gonna opt out regardless he's a twenty two million I mean, yeah, he's not done a playing basketball. But canny bet on himself and stay and then try to increase his his his his value, you know, for the next season. Or does he opt out now and see in a weeker free agent class and said what, I
might be one of the best free agents out there. Do I go out here and see if I can you know, secure three years, sixty, three years, seventy whatever it ultimately is. That's my question for you Van Vleet, Trent, and Annanobe. That's kind of stopped with the Van Vleet side of it first. So Fred van Fleet to me is a very interesting player and and in me following him over the last couple of years, I've often said, like, you know, he's a he's he's a mercurial kind
of guard. He's not the kind of guard that I think you you can't coach down, and I don't know whether or not you can completely coach up. I think he's someone that just pretty much stays within himself and stays within his zone. And maybe this is part of what's triggered UM, you know, size thought process in considering what moves have to be made, um in order to to to determine what kind of future the Toronto Raptors are going to be. So the reason why I say all of that is because you know,
Fred van Fleet is gonna give you about twenty points per game. But I just thought he was always equally effective when he was coming off the bench during that essentially during that year UM that they won the championship, right Like, I think part of that UM difference in the way that the Toronto Raptors have always responded as being a quality team was driven by the way that Kyle
Lowry led that team. I think it also drove you know you um uh you you your jeries um uh decision making process about moving the Marta Rosen for the forgetting a Kawhi, Leonard, I want to see where if you're telling me that Fred van Fleet is going to be your point guard, have we seen the elevation of Pascal Siakam's game? Right? Have we seen? Are we going to see the elevation of Scott Barnes's game. I don't know if
I worry about Grary Trent and Ogianna Nubia. I feel like those are part of those yester years of the Raptors because I you know, twenty eighteen up till now, there's a distinction about the way that this team was supposed to be moving in the direction that they were moving for us to really determine if
Nick Nurse truly had a finger on the pulse of this team. My whole thing is, I don't know if you have Scottie Barnes and Pascal Siakam at the peak of their levels, if you continue to play with Fred van Fleet. I think Van Fleet's pace of play is very deliberate, very methodical. That's not what you want with two athletic guys like Barnes and Siakam. And I think part of that decision making process about saying, well, what are
you gonna do? With Van Fleet. Me personally, I think that if you're selling me that Van Fleet is going to play a role of not being the primary scoring guard that you have, you're gonna need a guard that's gonna accentuate what you're getting from Barnes and Siakam. So let me start with that part in my off base in my assessment of what I'm saying about Van Fleet.
Well, I think Toronto doesn't necessarily have a true option here. It's Vanvleet's option, right, So Van Vleet is a one who kind of hell holds some power. Now he opts in power shifts back to Toronto and being able to say it's like all right, well on this last year, if your deal, we'll see if this is where you ultimately want to be. But I think they do need to figure out what the role definement is ultimately going to be. I mean, Van Vleet nineteen and seven seven assists is
nothing to see that at any capacity, right. But I think you're right about in terms of pace. Siakim does a lot of facilitation for them, so does Scottie Barnes. So it's great to have that level of versatility kind of throughout the throughout your your roster, especially with all those guys on the floor, because you ever kind of know who's going to facilitate or versus who's
going to score in some aspects. M I just don't know. I think that the total roster construction of Toronto is a little bit too Duplicitu and Van Vleet while not you know, a rangy long guy, you know, like that in the in the Barns and Siakam and Chris Bouche and even add Anobie Realms. You know, he's kind of a diminutive, but is a solid defender as well too, got really great hands. I just don't know if
this is the future that he wants, you know, to be. And I think now all all options are on the table because Nick Nurse has been let go. So does he say, yeah, shit, I do want to stay. And now the year if you're going to bring in a guy like Judoku led a team to the NBA Championship in his first year as a head coach, right, well all Nick Nurse, right, I think that has a lot to play with some of the decision making of both Gary Trent and and and Fred van Vleet, like they may say, you know what,
maybe I don't. I will say though, I think Trent probably has more more to gain by opting out than Van Vleet does currently and Ven is a better player and even had a better year statistically. But I think the aspect of what Trent does as a shooter and as a pseudo defender, he may be able to go out here and cash out in a way that maybe Van Vleet may not be able to because sometimes people are hesitant to pay guys who are smaller, you know, like Van Vleet, you know, long
term. So especially since again he didn't have a good year with the percentage standpoint, now that he didn't have a good year at all, but the percentages were a little bit down, and that might have some teams like, hey, maybe try to get him out a discount. But again this is about market value and if you wait and go to another year where there's better free agents available, will that probably drives your ability to make money down. So do you jump out the window now or does Toronto say hey, we
really want you. That's why I say this is a really interesting situation here, I think for the Raptors, because you know, I don't know who's going to blink first? And you know what everybody wants because the firing of Nick Nurse is looms very large. I think for the roster rotation and everybody else on this team, how they'll be able to move forward moving again as next season comes about. Right, So let me go ahead and address the
second part to your question. And I don't know if whether or not what you're gonna do is lean me in towards what my assessment is going to be about Gary, Trent, Nogi and Andnobi. But let me put it like this, Shaw, I would rather see van Fleet slide to the shooting guard position. If your intent is that you want van Fleet to still be a part of this constructed roster of Barnes sachem say and having van Fleet, but then you cannot have Trent and Enobe. I would probably like to see Barnes
move back over to the maybe the small forward position. Siakam naturally gravitate to the to the foe if that's the intent. Here's my thing. Van Fleet cannot be your primary ball handler. While I think that he is an adequate guard, he is not the kind of guard that completely dominates you. Know what I'm saying where you're gonna set up like him being the ISO guy and
still be able to set up guys like Barnes and Siakam. I just have seen way too many instances where you're pushing van Fleet in a space where I think he's built with someone better coming off the dribble better than having to be the primary ball dominant guard. I think it compromises a lot of what you can get from Barnes and Siakam if he's primarily your ball handler. Also, let's keep in mind as well too, the Toronto Raptors are among one of
the worst teams in space. You have two Thoroughbreds and Barnes and Siakam, who I believe are better in transition. You're not getting that with van Fleet. So if you're gonna have Van Fleet, he needs to be your two. I think that he shoots the basketball better. I think he comes off
the dribble better. Get a legit guard who's going to be able to help open these guys up a little bit more, operate with more pace and play for them so that you have a balance of whether or not you need a half court set player like van Fleet to be your primary score or you can have guys on the open blocks like Barnes and Siakam taking advantage of what they
can give you with their athleticism as the front court players. Right With that being said, it can't be at the expense of saying, well do I keep Trent or do I keep in Enobi, because I really think that you're getting essentially the same kind of players. The only difference is is I see more upside with an Enobi if as long he stays healthy. But we've seen his track record of him not being fully healthy for the duration of time.
I think this is the last like this last season is the first season we actually got to see Annonobi in full blossom for everyone to see what he can bring to the table. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it yields success for the Toronto Raptors. This would have been great back twenty eighteen prior when they've had him, but up to this point now I just think it becomes an
anomaly. I just think it becomes like too little, too late, and it's more to the advantage of Anobi for what he wants to get as far as contractual goes, that he may go somewhere elsewhere being the type of player that he is. It's going to be better for that team than necessarily what he's going to continue to do if he does it with the Toronto Raptors. Well, let me tell you this, without knowing Annonobi in any capacity, this is no not source or anything like that too. Annonobe think he can
be mcel Bridges. Basically he can if you give him the opportunity to go be the man on a team. I'm gonna have some words about Michael Bridges, and I know people are gonna probably be like, what the hell is cal talking about. Well, we'll deal with that. We'll deal with that examiner's report in a little bit. But and Anobi, I think in his mind is like, Yeah, I can go out here and get you twenty plus a game if I was given the opportunity to be at least a number
one or even two option. Because Siakam is there, because van Fleet is there, even Barnes to a lesser degree, those guys kind of gain. They all just kind of do enough and cancel each other out. And the way Yakam is clearly the best offensive talent on the team and really good. He's really had two bounce back years in a row that have been stellar statistically
and all star level at et cetera, et cetera. But your point going back to it about van Fleet is interesting because they are a couple of things bothered me about Toronto, their lasting rebounding. So they got Purtle to hopefully try to avert that Peartle's not gonna catapult them fifteen slots, excuse me in
the rebounding category, but he's gonna help. But they're also one of the last team and shooting as well too, So now you just kind of wonder with Van Vleet, Gary Trent, O, Gianna Nobi, Pascal Siakum, Yaker, Purtle, how do you figure out that role delineation. You still have Chris Bouche coming off the bench as well too. It's just there's a lot of things that just don't really seem to work, and they are going
to have to probably move one or two of these guys. But the question, again we keep coming back to, is well, does the problem get solved for them by Van Vleet and Gary trent opting out of their contracts And if that doesn't happen, what your quote quote stuck with them for a year.
Best case scenario. Maybe you do a two year extension with you know, team option player option, right, you know, like you get an option next year, they get an option the final I don't know, but those are the biggest questions I think surrounding this Raptor's team, especially like I said, in a free agent class that doesn't really seem like they'd be interested in some of the guys that might be out there, and then financially they
wouldn't be able to would bring in people without moving a lot of contract to solid realt I don't nobody I think wants out van Vleet. We're not sure about Trent. We think probably like would like to stay, but just once wants a pay raise, and then then they got it and they have to more or less definitely resigned Purtle, who they brought in after trading him the first time in San Antonio. Bringing him back now, um so they're in
a precarious situation. And not to even mention the the roster development. You know, Delano Barton was also a free agent, and then um uh Pressus Chua as well too, who also they got into trade as well. I'm glad you brought up pressure to two because here's my thing. What do you do with him? What? What? What? What becomes of him? If the target, to your point, Shaw is possibly figuring out a way to resign or re up yaka portal. Right, Like, I'm just wondering,
like what is what is the overall makeup? Because let's also be realistic about this team as well too. As promising as some of these names are that we've thrown out there, their bench is really not that good, right, Like they're not the most productive in the in the sense of if I sit a van Fleet, I sit a Barnes, I sit a Siakam, where I sit in a nobi that these guys are gonna collectively amplify, amplify this team's ability to score the basketball. Great team defensively, but god awful
defensively, god awful offensively. And and that to me is I think part of that problem. You know we've talked about with other teams. They look like promising dudes, and you want to keep them on the roster. You keep them now you've overflooded the position. You've you know what I'm saying, Like, you've got too many guys doing the same thing. So I'm in fear of this is what may become of it, and listen to too massize credit. He has always done an excellent job of diversifying the rosters that he
puts together. Now we may not see it all come to fruition, right because they've only got one championship to show for it, and it basically took them getting a superstar to do it. But we never questioned us looking at someone on that roster saying, damn, that guy's got a great future.
You know what I'm saying, if if you're playing, if you're playing as a Raptor, right, like, I'm just wondering what's because we have become we've started to see the deterioration sort of speak now of what was one of these strong points to the Toronto Raptors through the course of the years between Casey and Nurses, that they had depth and they can put guys in and they can be productive. Maybe they played above their heads. We're not seeing that
now. And this season you really saw a kind of fall off the table because they really weren't able to generate much of anything in the way of getting reliable guys to come on and be you know, plug in play dudes. They're gonna make up for some of the things that they weren't able to get from their starters and or just what they weren't getting at all, you know, to leap frog them in a way where they weren't playing in the playing
and things of that nature. Yeah, again, I don't. I just I struggle with trying to understand the obvious direction, because you're gonna look at this team again, forty one to forty one got a limited in the play in you know game if you will, eleventh and was eleventh and twelfth I think offensive defensive rating, so like they're not terrible, just outside the top ten and those things. While they are, they do struggle with the rebounding,
They struggle with the shooting. As I alluded to, what is the clear path to roster construction? And I don't know if it is the version of of nnobe. And for those who might be interested, who would have been interested in the Macail bridges, I'll just continue to kind of like hammer down on that comparison. All right, Well, if people out there want bridges from Brooklyn and would would give you two or three draft picks, well, is that the mode Tronda wants to go in because you're not in a
rebuild. So can you get pieces that make sense for a mid build that ultimately fit would you do? Can you basically do what the Lakers kind of did here at the at the trade deadline, right they reconstructed the roster around
the court pieces, but got pieces that fit more more more adequately. And you know that's where it takes, you know, the work of a season general manager and a great front office to understand the cap and the numbers to make off for us out there that gets some pieces that make sense like who
would be sellers who? Or they need shooting as I said, they need rebounding as I said, but they need pieces that fit around Siakam and Barnes because then, as you were talking about in the outset, even with the Chua and Chris Bouche, those are complimentary pieces that are somewhat duplicity, especially because Siakam is a four, five Purdles are five, Barnes is are three to four. So you like the flexibility of it, but it also can
cause you some dissension because role definement is harder to create. That way. One thing I wanted to highlight show maybe you were going to get to this
particular point before we start getting into our eulogies real quick. When I talk about Pascal Siakam, right, twenty four points per game, eight rebounds, very nice numbers, but nothing that is jumping off the page for us to say he's among one of those great stars, right, like there was a few years ago we were trying to make that ascension comparison of him to what we did with Jannis, like there's there's something in him where there's this level
of greatness that is just there, right, like we want to believe it so badly because he was a part of what this team showed us when all they needed was a Kawhi Leonard on that roster, right. And I don't want to hear people, you know, trying to make this all well, you know, as fool's goal, because you know the Golden State Warriors.
This has nothing to do with that. But the Raptors did what was required for them to get to the finals, and then they all played to do was necessary to win a championship, and Pascal Siakam was one of those guys. And then the team got basically gutted, right like, got totally And
I'm not saying um Massai did that. I'm saying Kawhi walking basically put this team in a very unusual situation where, you know what, the window is now open for Siakam, for van Fleet, you know what I'm saying, to step up and be the future for the for the Toronto Raptors, and listen, you can make the argument that while they have had nice seasons and they've been good, we are not seeing the superstar level that I think people
were hoping to have seen was supposed to grow from or blossom from still having Lowry on that roster and what Leonard at Kawhi Leonard had implemented or gave them in that fusion. You know what I'm saying, I'm not seeing it. Maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong. Shaw, And I think that's an interesting dynamic that no matter what we're talking about here, the Raptors I
think are gonna be a very good basketball team. But I think part of this other equation is when will Pascal Siakam or maybe it's gonna be Scotty Barnes, I don't know, but when are one of those guys going to elevate to a superstar level to say they are a building block for this franchise, right Like the idea to believe that we're building around something isn't because we're collectively just decent guys and you know we'll get along. We'll be along to get
along. One of them is gonna have to step up and say I'm the next Vince Carter, I'm the next Tracey McGrady, right Like, somebody has got to step up like DeMar De rosen and and Kyle Lowry for their part, for what they accomplished, what they did, they were the stars of the Toronto Raptors. I have not been sensing that with Pascal Siakam, even during these years post them winning the championship and the twenty five points per game.
While it looks good, is a number, it doesn't accentuate the level of stardom that is required for them to be competitive in the Eastern Conference. I mean, I won't disagree with that. I think he's he's not an empty calories guy. You know it's not it's not, no, I'm not, but but you know what, it's the same, it's the same breath that I talk about with Karl Anthony Towns. Right. Yeah, good,
very good player. Obviously puts up really great stats, but there's just something missing when it comes to that that in terms of being the guy and a Siakam is your number two, I think you're fine. So again, I'm not knocking Siakam because I don't think he's he. I don't think he can't be that. And that's why I think Toronto's built the roster in a way that compliments him and allows him to be, yeah, their best score, but not necessarily all right, the guy who's going to make and take the
toughest shots. I think that actually goes to Red VanVleet a lot as well too. Scottie Barnes is still very has a lot to go in terms of his offensive development before he could even sniff that, and I don't know that he'll ever beat that either as well. So that brings you to the other question. It's like, all right, well, can you just be this team that does it by a certain level of depth with really good, even all star talented players on your roster, but the other pieces that complement those
all star pieces to make your team that much better. So I think you were onto something with Maybe it is the moving of VanVleet or moving on from him and whatever that lultimate looks like, or moving on and obe and getting pieces that ultimately surround them, because I don't think you're gonna be able to move Siakam. He's going to make thirty seven thirt eight million dollars over here,
you know, each for the next two seasons or whatever. Scottie Barnes is a talent who they still obviously want to develop, right and he still will be going into year three. So I think those are your quote unquote building blocks for now. But I don't know if you're looking for the Raptors to suddenly develop or have a superstar, I don't know that that's in their in their makeup right now. I mean, and you could say the same thing for we're not going to talk about them here today, but the Nicks
are doing that without a true superstar. Brunson and Randall are really great players, are really good players, all star level players, but they're not superstars. So I think it's about roster construction, coaching, and that allows you
to get to whatever level of success. And then yeah, there's a cap on that you know, there is you know, like traditionally, but sometimes you catch lightning the bottle and I think that's where the Raptors will ultimately we try to go with their team absolutely shall I think that sounded like a really good eulogy. Like I think, at the end of the day, the one thing that we have properly assessed is this is going to be a competitive
basketball team. Let's not doubt that. Let's not even question that. And I think as long as the Raptors continue to hang around in the Atlantic Division, that other teams are going to force them to have to make sure that
they step up because they don't want to look bad. Right. But I do think that there's going to have to be a lot of questions answered in this offseason, and part of losing Nick Nurse, I think has accelerated a lot of those questions now more than ever about what kind of clock you know?
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playoffs after being routed by the Philadelphia seventy six ers. You know, Shaw, one of the things that I found interesting about, you know, the Brooklynness is the narrative about this is that, you know, obviously the team got helped by the uh the record uh prior to the trade deadline with Kyrie Irving and and Kevin Durant, allowing them to basically be sixteen I think sixteen games fourteen sixteen games, about five hundred something like that. Um, yeah,
there were there were ten eleven games about so listen. At the end of the day. While I understand that, you know, they got helped and they didn't have such a great record, the team still finished forty five and thirty seven. Okay. Um, given that kind of movement for a team where essentially three fifths of your starting rotation is gone, it's just like poof disappear, you still manage to have in above five hundred records, you
still manage to be a top six team in the Eastern Ofference. That to me, I think you could spell out as a positive victory, no, or is this fool's gold that we're talking about. Um, it's it's like it's in the middle of So the team was eleven and thirteen, um after
they All Star break, so two games below. A lot of that is you know, strength of schedule, looks at exciter, so a lot of factors coming into that, got to learn new systems, continuity, moving guys around, so you know, not trying to read too much into that. But at the same time, this is an average basketball team without early level talent. So it's good as Ridges was and you know his three point celebration
and all of those great things. Um, this is a team that still needs to figure out how they're going to develop and get better moving forward. You know, again, I think I will continue to think the praises of Jacque Vaughan here, but he continues to get dealt a hand that is harder to deal with that he really has to use his coaching acumen to figure out right, well, how do I make this roster different better and extrapolate the
most amount of talent. So with the various draft picks coming in and out versus the various deals they've made over the course of the years, they have some things at their disposure here one key thing, and you know, you know, I don't want to get into overall tangent about it, but something
has to give with Ben Simmons, whatever that is. Something has to happen there because that's obviously a lot of money on your books and whether you feel like you can utilize them as a high price guy coming off the bench in whatever capacity. I don't know that he can fit into our starter's role here or not. But that's that's a conversation they really have to have with both Ben and themselves as an organization moving forward. But Joe Harris, like,
what's the saddest of him? He's still under contract? Can you move that deal? Not really getting much much run out here, Seth Curry is going to be a free agent. Cameron Johnson is probably like, yeah, f this on out, uh, you know, because anytime he gets you know, thirty minutes a night, he's putting up forty points a game. So can you figure out wolf for him where he can be a super sub coming off the bench, or is he just like, listen, I'm moving on
to greener pastures. I'm not a part of this roster moving forward. He still needs some size behind Nick Lackston. You know, they I think they signed uh Moses Moses Brown, I think to come in. He didn't really do much for them, you know, ultimately, but there's a lot of holes, but a lot of great things, right, And then I said all that, and uh, sorry, I said Cameron Johnson. I was talking about, I said, Cameron Johnson, I met camp Thomas Thomason about
to say. I was like, okay, yeah, so yeah, Cam, okay, yeah, but but but Cam Thomas is somebody as well too well who is under contract. And they're like, all right, well he doesn't get he doesn't get any runs, so you know, can you can you parlay him into maybe another draft pick that you can flip. That's my circumstance though, I mean, because the minutes you brought in, dim witty, his minutes got eaten up. That's just that's just what it is.
Unfortune, not even the same position. Just but again, by virtue of playing you know, guys out on the at the guard position in any capacity, you know. And then because camera Johnson give does give you a little bit of defense not a little bit, but a decent amount of defense into inditional what he does, he just more season Camera Johnson twenty seven, Camp Thomas is twenty one. Um, they they they just I think they're gonna want to. But Johnson is a guy who probably could go, but they
don't have the ability to just figure it out. And I don't know if he'd be willing to do a sign in trade or not, but I'm sure they wish they had a couple more years of his contract on the books where they could potentially flip him and get assets. But because he is a free agent, that prosit that causes some problems for them, you know, going into this into this offseason. So I do love what Jacques Von has been able to do, but this roster is not as good as its overall record.
Um. And while they play hard, and these are I don't want, I don't want. The word is is negative by by connotation, but they're quote unquote cast offs who who don't feel like they should be treated as such. During even Jornan Finney Smith, get capable NBA player, capable NBA player, But none of these guys are going to get you too forty five or fifty wins next year if this team comes, just runs it back, especially with Devin Simmons situation. Loo. Yeah, so you bring up a
lot of great points. And I don't want to go too much on a tangent, but I will say this the one main thing that I want to tell people, I would be very, very cautious about the hype that people have about Michael Bridges. I think Micaal Bridges is going to be a great player, maybe even a star, I don't know. But he is a volume guy and I witnessed this a lot. Maybe part of it is because of the burden that is on his shoulders to go out there and execute and
score. I think people in Brooklyn got used to so much of the effective and efficiency of having a Kevin Durant who can get you thirty points with less than twelve shots, essentially, right, That's not Michaal Bridge's style of play, right. He has got He's a volume shooter. He's got to take shots. And I think if you are Jacque Vaughan and you're saying, okay, and you're Sean Marks, and you're you're essentially saying, we're gonna keep
this piece. You better make sure that you've got quality guys that can rebound to basketball, quality guys that can allow for that kind of volume shooting to not get in the way of what other guys are going to have to contribute on Michal Bridges part. Okay, while he's a great two way player, you also are asking of that from him, you know, And so that that, to me is part of where my concern is is that unless he dramatically shows that he can be a more efficient score for the Brooklyn Nets,
this team is not constructed where there's going to be success. Given the type of scorer you're gonna get from Michale Bridges, you got a lot of pieces that I think are gonna wind up kind of withering away. Joe Harris's the Seth curries, even maybe Spencer Dinwi. I don't know if the dynamic of Dinwitty and and and Bridges is going to be as effective for this team moving forward. So it'll be very interesting to see what is going to take place.
Because to your point, y'all, this team is the way that they're constructed. While you got got a bunch of hustlers, they all seem to be hustling in very different directions, not one completely cohesive. And I would not put that on jacqu Vaughn to be the type of person to figure all of that stuff out, um, because this team is not going to be constructed. It's going to be yielded for success for his part, let alone for the players individually. Yeah. Well, I like what you're saying that
you don't want to be too much for a prisoner of the moment. But in the in the sample size in the regular season, you know, Bridges was twenty six points per game, right, his defense was still top notch. Then when the Sixers defense keyed in on him, that dropped down to twenty three points per game and was a certain level of efficiency. So while a lot of people say, yeah, Bridges is the next guy, He's he's a star, he's all of that, I probably I want to see
it over an eighty two games Temple, you know. And I'm not trying to say he's not better than he showed in Phoenix. I'm not saying he's not even a twenty plus point per game guy. I just don't know if he's the building block that maybe some people are going to try to make him out to be off after seeing somebody average twenty six a game. Twenty six a game is like Jaylen Brown numbers, you know what I mean, Like that's really really good basketball and you get the defense on top of it.
I think there is some level of schematics that that played in his to his advantage here, and then maybe some even overlooking and not thinking all right this like they had to really worry about this guy. So he's gonna be a twenty point per game guy with I think without question. But at the end of the day, Brooklyn ultimately decides can they hitch their wagon to him as the building block as you alluded to, even alongside Dinwitty, who will be
up after next year. So I don't think, you know, that's a long term situation, even in his second stint. But the other guy, it's a supplemental pieces, you know. It is the Dorrian Finney Smith is the royce o'neils of the world. Yes, you got great production on our next Claxton, but all right, can you can you get that again next year? And do you want to be playing him thirty plus minutes a night and just kind of forcing him, force feeding him minutes as a result.
So again, with some draft picks and the need and want to be better, especially in a market that needs and wants you to be better, I think you're going to see the Brooklyn Nets be very active in a lot of ways and trying to make a lot of moves to improve this roster, as I mean, as all teams do, but they just have a little bit more incentive to do so because they do have a couple of good pieces and a really good coach in addition to some draft equity that some of the teams
may ultimately want. I want to highlight really quick on the Nicholas Clackson point that you made Shaw, so you listen, he had a he had a good season, a really good season I think by all accounts, because of you know how he's come, how he's emerged, sort of speak like he didn't come in like on the map as being like this completely great player. I mean, he obviously had to develop his skill set to even be at a level where he is able to be a presence amongst those centers in the
in the Eastern Conference. I'm keeping it strictly within the East. I will say this, though, Shaw, you cannot tell me that Nicholas Claxton is capable of being able to hold his own if he's going to be dealing on a night in a night app basis with the likes of Joel Embiide, time Lord Pascal Siakam right, Like, there's going to have to be another step in his evolution, whether that's his ability to get bigger, like you know, bulk up a little bit, or his ability to be able to show
that he can hold his own, stay out of foul trouble and be a significant contributor on both not both sides of basketball, but from a rebounding perspective, defensive, you know, principle's perspective. It's kind of like what we had questioned about Time Lord. Okay, so I'll be interested to see what happens with Nicholas Claxton, because you know, you're beginning to see this,
this this idea. Jacques ban was toying with it because he had no choice of running out this uber small lineup, you know, and trying to create
chaos against the likes of a team like the Philadelphia seventy six. Is the problem is, no matter what you do, you cannot match up for a guy who's seven foot tall that can shoot the basketball or a guy thatt seven foot tall that has the ability to outrebound you and give their team second chance opportunities, which I think is going to be a compromise situation for a guy like Nicholas Claxton, you know at times. So it'll be interesting to see
what happens of this. But again, a lot of it is roster construction. You could probably get away with that if the rest of the other supplemental parts are helping to make up for what you know. You're not going to be able to get from Nicholas Claxton immediately as he continues to grow and get better because of the fact that he is a very young budding center in this league. That's what I'm saying. I think you were able to get pretty much Pete Claxton. I don't know how much better is going to get.
You'd hope he has a little bit more touch around the rim and even outside, you know, maybe even ten to twelve feet you know, to do some picking pops. But he's primarily a lot of threat offensive rebound, put back type guy right now, there's nothing wrong with that. Many guys that made her career doing exactly that, But I think Brooklyn made me a little
bit more. Or even if it is just if you find somebody in free agency, trade, whatever it is, that maybe not just gives you a different look off the bench, right And I don't think you're you're your big men all have to be the exact same way. You can guys who play your lineups a little bit different. So maybe you have you bring a five in who is a little bit more stretchy, but who can still give you
some rebounding and hopefully some defensive metrics as well too. To me, Brooklyn is again we say this all about a lot of boys teams where they're not destitute, but they do have a They have a lot of interesting directions in which they could go, and they could and they could very rail at this up like they really could and fall back. And I think the worst mistake would be to be standing pat and just say, hey, well, this
was a great story. And that's it's kind of the situation. When you have guys that are off in that way, at some point the good story runs out because expectations seep in and they're just there's just not the workquisite talent to be able to make a better story than like, oh that was cool. Hey you ever twenty six a game these last twenty games of the year. Oh that's awesome, But are you superstar? Can you lead a team into the playoffs? Can lead team and not be you know what? To
me? Again, they were the sixth seed, but probably were more like an eight seed or playing team really, and if you bring this roster back as currently constructed, there's a very very good likelihood and that's where they'll be in the playing game next year and maybe even out of the playoffs, depending on how other rosters and matchups go. So Brooklyn, hey, it's it's not bad. Obviously, the Katie Kyrie era really really ruined things and ruined
expectations. But you have to move on from that. There's just no choice. Like the basketball doesn't stop, so you can't cry over spilled milkcare. You got to keep things pushing. And a lot of that too has alluded to, not only with the Ben Simmons situation, but it is a Cameron Johnson sum tuations. Even the Camp Thomas situation how do you get better from here? With the draft equity that you have and the players that ultimately may
be interested coming to New York to play anyway? But how do you make that all work from a solid cap stampoint? Final final question for you, Sean. Do you think Sean marks made up for you know, essentially what he's gonna be or hasn't been? Yeah, so okay, no, no, and and and and and it's not for lack of effort. I think it's just it's just such a monumental just fall and failure on on all sides.
Everybody plays a part in it. He played a major part in it as well, So he's got a lot more to do before he can make up for that. Do you think he'll be here in order to to to figure out a way to kind of do that or No. That's a really great question, you know, I think that's a really great question. This summer will probably be a huge bridge one way other. You know, it's the fork in the road for him. Either you're going to hell or maybe
you're going to purgatory. You know, I wouldn't even say even him a highway to heaven purgatory. I can't even say happen, because what happened with this Kyrie KD James Harden situation is it's it's an epic failure. So is he moving in the right direction, sure, but it's surely it's baby steps that it's going to take a very, very long time I think for the Brooklyn faith Ball to forgive the transgressions of the past. Here. Oh my goodness, man, you talk about a rugby shot. Ask me, man,
I'm just trying to tell the truth and listen. This is why we this is why we do eulogies, right, I didn't know further or not. You were given one for the team of Shaw Marks. Oh man, awesome show. This week's Sean Man. So much good stuff, um, tidbits of information and just flavorful things. Man. With regards to both teams again in the same division, both obviously got outsted really in the same kind
of fashion, unceremoniously, but um, it's obvious. Man. It yields for us to keep our full attention on what offseason are going to have to be decided upon and ultimately made before we start buying into the viability of both of these teams repeating themselves. Possibly there's you know, next season to do
not the same, if not better. Uh, you know, as far as their abilities to hang and compete and maintain in this Eastern Conference, gone, yeah, I mean it's teams with talent, you know, and at least that's like they have that they have some starting point in terms of time, and both of them different starting points and even different draft equity. And now Toronto has a problem not even having a head coach, and that ultimately
will help them decide the direction that they go. But two really great teams that I think again, uh, there's always a hope of the next season, and if they can get a couple things right, they can both be firmly planted in the playoff conversation, not even the plant if they can get some things right. But that's a big if. And you know, you're competing against what thirteen other teams you know, within within the conference who were
trying to do the exact same thing. But I like where Brooklyn and Toronto are both that for right now, um, and hopefully they will make the records of decisions that that put them in a position to be better than they were the species. I really want to see who takes it that that that step forward, that leap forward, right Bridges or Siakam or Barnes or Johnson if they're I don't know if you can get another letter letter level out of
Siakam though, I mean at twenty five. That's what I'm saying. I would be very interested to see if if that in and of itself could possibly happen. No listening, So we've seen, we've seen the crazy, right like you know what I'm saying, but you're saying, the likelihood of it happening is very you know what I'm saying, minimal, Like you're not on the you're not a ride in the belief train. But I want to buy I want to buy into the idea that somebody is gonna try to take that
step forward and and and and elevate themselves into me. These are the only options that we've got, you know what I'm saying, Unless somebody makes a move, so it nonetheless, it's it's gonna be musty. TV. Didn't know of how you slice it, Yes, sir, absolutely all right. Once again, man, we appreciate you and yours for hopping overboard with this this week. For the baseline, Kylie Warrent, yall, we appreciate you guys. You know we do. We'll catch up with you next time.