This is the baseline discussing the hot button topics of the nb A. Welcome everybody, your tune to the baseline Callie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the nb A ed. It is all said and done, put a rap on this twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three NBA season.
The Denver Nuggets are hailed as NBA champions for the first time. I've been forty six years since this team was able to find itself participating and competing for an NBA championship, and to be able to do it on the first go around, it is quite impressive. And here to talk about it and also to kind of round out our coveted autopsy. You know, I got to do with my man, man. We've been putting on the coach for a while. We get to do it one more time for this season.
My man fifty grand www dot Shaw Sports dot Net, Big hunap andc my man, mister Warrenshaw. Helping to burn that midnight oil watching the Denver Nuggets enjoy the spoils. What's good man, I know you're breathing a little bit of a sigh of relief. There because you know what I'm saying, because it's a little dark down there in Miami, a little dark, but dark for me. That's all dark for me. But at the end of the day, you know, I know you're swinging a lantern out there, You're
trying to find some light. You know. I'm I'm not disappointed in the outcome, let's just say that, but ultimately really excited for no cry for me Argentina is that, no, But it was. It was a while NBA season, it really was, and to have an end in five games, and I think for the most part the games were competitive. While I don't think the series was ever really in doubt. Um, you know, Denver was the better overall team. To see it in that way, especially
them winning on their home court, is just what it's all about. So for me, Um, it's it's tough that the season is over. Now We've got to focus on the draft and then ultimately Summer League and free agency, and then you know, we'll get up for the song and the Pony Show again sometime in October. But kudos to the Dever Nuggets and kudos to the Miami Heat. Man, those dudes are toughest nails bro toughest nails totally.
I think the one thing that really sticks out at me Shaw when I think about this NBA Finals is and we talked about this in the very beginning. This was the Finals that I don't think anybody wanted, but I think that basketball needed. And I know that we can spend a whole bunch of time relitigating you know, the good, the good, the bads, ups and downs. I think we'll have enough time to do that when we do our autopsy in assessing, you know, the talent that both the Denver Nuggets
and the Miami Heat have. But a couple of things really stick out at me because of having this NBA Finals between the Nuggets and the Heat. And the first thing that really sticks out at me is is that this brings this back to us appreciating the NBA having so much talent available to itself that it is allowing us to be introduced to new superstars in the game who are taking the opportunity to step up and shine on the brightest stages. It's also opening
up the doors too. And I've said this numerous times before, and I hope you know our beloved quote unquote Boston Celtics and a lot of teams alike can truly appreciate and understand that defense travels always if you are expected to win a championship and you cannot win a championship just simply resting on the idea that you can shoot, shoot, shoot, and you can't defend or stop the
other team or limit the other team's possessions. And this was a textbook situation of if you didn't know the guys that were on each other these teams, you know, whether it's the heat or the nuggets, you have to at least appreciate that when it really came down to it, when it mattered the most to determine who was going to win this championship, it was about the team who came out and played better defense in the most critical situations to give
themselves the best opportunity to win these games. It wasn't like you know, with the exception and maybe a couple of quarters sort of speak. It was always coming down to defensive possessions, defensive stops and runs in the fourth quarter, giving opportunities for their stars to take quality shots or get that quality shot at a winning shot. And that to me sticks out more than anything. When I think about this NBA Finals, well, I think in general,
right, defense absolutely does win championships. But if you take it even a microcosm, just the last game they were left for for the NBA season finishes eighty nine. Right, A defensive just struggle. It was a it was a struggling to shoot. Nobody has any legs at the stage of of of the season, and just willing their way to kind of get it done.
And I noted specifically in Game five, you know when Miami probably made a big full pat I'm gonna have to get to the Xenosa's of starting Zeller in the fourth quarter, but they stayed in that zone, and you know, stuff that we talked about all the time, just like making the right adjustments, and Yokis was like, f that, I'm going in the middle of the zone and I dare you to stop me. And I just, you know, for the life of me, why didn't three other teams do that
to Miami? And I understand Yokich is a great and equalizer equalizer around. I get that nobody had a Yokis on their roster, but just the common sense to kind of just do what's needed to be done. And as I was looting to as you were in to begin with, to play the requisite defense that was necessary. You know, Aaron Gordon in this series, I think he was He was immense. CACP was immense on the defensive side of
the basketball. I know Michael Porter Junior isn't your guy, but he was immense on the defensive side of the basketball just by sheer being able to utilize his size for once. Yes, and he accidentally walked himself into defensive greatness tonight. I know, I mean, you know, but there's there's something to be said when you just have the requisite height and physical capabilities. You know that a lot of teams don't possess. When they do, they just
don't invoke it and don't put the effort in there. And Michael Malone was not going to allow his team to go out without playing the defense that was necessary to win an NBA championship. So I love it. I'm gonna say this these are one is going to be a cal spiracy theory. I mean, how long has it been since you've heard one of those? And the second one is I'm going to give an unsung hero shout out and we'll talk about him later on in our autopsy report cal spiracy theory. Seeing what I
saw from Aaron Gordon, I would not be surprised. Within the next couple of years if he continues to play at the level that he's playing, he will be in a conversation of being a defensive Player of the Year. Because what you're seeing right now from Aaron Gordon is the evolution of the four man who is able to defend two guards, swings and also fives, and the way that the Denver Nuggets play their defense. That gives a lot of a room and opportunity for Aaron Gordon to be in the spotlight, to be in
those conversations like the Kawhi Leonards, like the Marcus Marts. You know, for his size and stature and his athleticism. If he stays healthy, defensive player of the Year mark my words on that. And number two, the unsung hero for the Denver Nuggets is Christian Brown. What that kid showed me is while he is basically looking like a deer running in headlights, he stayed on the floor because he played with the level of intensity and defensive savvy.
I don't think Malone cared whether or not that guy got his seventeen eighteen points or there was open shots for him, and that what he cared about most is his on the ball defense, which was something that the Nuggets were struggling with mightily when they got Gabe Vincent out and Kyle Lowry was soaking up a lot of those minutes and using his veteran play. You saw Christian bound jumping,
passing lanes, tipping passes, and out rebounding. You saw that one rebound with Butler and Ada Bayou. Amazing that a guy of his stature undersize and definitely not man enough in the NBA, yet kids still got fresh baby legs in the game, going out there grabbing rebounds that he probably shouldn't have won in any situation like that, to keep the Denver Nuggets within striking distance or to help them propel that run that they made to finally take over.
It just speaks volumes to what Mike Malone has instilled and even some of these younger guys who were getting those opportunities and runs, and I just want to make sure that they get their flowers as much as we credit the Yokichis and the Murray's all alike. Now it's it's it's a team win and we understand
that. And I think you know what you're alluding to. Even when Christian Brown, Miami basically ran into a team that had the records of talent but actually matched their effort, and I think that's what just that what was lacking throughout the course of the Eastern Conference side of these playoffs runs, Nobody matched Miami's effort, and Denver was like, you're not gonna out hustle us,
and we had the records of talent to kind of get it done. And to a man, whoever Michael Malone was able to put in there, they gave them that effort on a consistent basis. And yeah, they stumbled in Game two because you can argue it could have and should have been a sweep, but ultimately, you know, Denver gets it done with with high level basketball play, great offensive execution, smart adjustments by Michael Malone, and defense
that was befitting of an NBA champion. So I'm really really excited to shout out to Uncle Jeff Green gets a chip, DeAndre Jordan gets a chip, Thomas Bryant Smith gets its. Smith gets a chip. He's probably the one. I'm so much more happier for because I think you know all of us in a like. Man, I don't know what it is that people don't see in this kid, but anytime that we've seen him beyond the basketball court, he has always been a solid player. He's always been a solid role
player. It sucks because maybe there's just that much more talent in at the point guard position that Mike Malone couldn't find any any any run for him on. But I listen again, I'm just happy that I'm seeing some guys act out there. Actually, you know, getting those flowers. Now, there's something I want to get into show before we do our autopsy, and you alluded to this, and I don't know whether or not we're going to really have this conversation about this, more so when we talk about the heat.
But I want to know, when we were talking before we jumped on doing this podcast, you alluded to the fact that like the Tyler hero tse what the F right like? So I want you to kind of expound on that real quick for me, man, because I don't know if we're going to really have that much of an opportunity in time to speak on it, unless we're maybe alluding to the fact that maybe this is some foretelling about the makeup of this team and where they feel Tyler Hero is, you know, to
this Miami Heat roster an organization. Well, truth be told. So for our fans of listeners we're recording, there's literally minutes after the NBA Finals, so spill might come out and giving it a reason as to why he didn't play Tyler Hero in Game five. But ultimately, you know, I think it's something that you alluded to in the beginning of the in our finals preview, is that hey, you just wouldn't be able to kind of throw him in there, you know, when the chips are down in a high stake
situation. Then to me, though, then why I announced that he's available for Game five if you weren't quit to utilize him in a high stake situation like that. Part of it doesn't really make any sense. And clearly say that you know what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of Dave Chappelle, got you a bitch. But they scored eighty nine points, so could they have used some an offensive spark in some capacity, even if it's ten twelve minutes
in a limited time. I don't understand why he just didn't get a look like that part to me was perplexing from Hawaii deem to be the best coach in the NBA UM but obviously he had his reasons. Felt like maybe he wasn't mentally right, and even if he was physically cleared, you know, it wasn't maybe mentally right to kind of give them the requisite effort that was needed. But to me, it's just like, that's the point. Then then then don't even clear him, you know, because then what are we
doing? I thought we were going to see him earlier in the series. Do you think we just didn't? Do you think Jimmy Butler may have had a say in that? I don't know. Again, it's it's hard.
It's hard to kind of get into into any of that. And I think especially with the with the way the game was going and Miami had and maybe you felt like I'm not alluding to that to say I'm trying to start drama or no, but listen, everything and any everything runs through literally Jimmy Butler, and and I'm sure that he's going to be the type of person that even let's say in the fourth quarter, when it really comes down to who he wants on the floor. He knows who he wants on the floor with
on those final four or five minutes left of the game. You know what I'm saying, that he wants to ride or die with. And it's not to take anything from those dudes. It's just that this is the comfort level of your best player who you're asking you to take you to the promised Land. So that's the only reason why I was just more curious about you know, do we think maybe that Butler may have had a say and whether or
not it made sense bringing in Tyler hero. You know what I'm saying in a situation like what has just occurred, which I would have probably said, yes, you're throwing everything in the kitchen sink, because this is it. This is all you got, right like, so you might as well give it a go. I would have liked to have seen it done earlier rather than assume that it would have ever happened later. But to your point, if you're gonna say the guys dressed up from Game five, then what the
hell is he not doing on the basketball court? An give if if it's it's a it's an elimination game, so you feel you go out guns blazing with every every bullet you have, and you know in the in the holster, and I just that part is just perplexing. Again, Heat Nation is going to criticize as aller minutes to begin the fourth quarter we saw Heyward Hi Smith in the game. You know, even if it was briefly or whatever the case may be, probably an overabundance of Kyle Lowry wish I'm, I'm,
I'm, I'm good on the Lowry stuff for a while. Um So, so to me there, I don't know, five of those minutes could have been here at least to kind of give him a look and ultimately, if he gets cooked, he gets cooked. But I think, you know, for I think for heat fans are probably like, well just why not, why not give him a chance? You know what I mean? And that that that I think is a little bit rough. But ultimately, you know, the deveror Knuggles were slated and faded to win this series, regardless
whether Hero played or not. But I think it is a valid question as to why I spilled it at least, you know, test the market a
little bit with Tyler. All right, Well, I mean and listen, it's it's an excellent point and as an excellent reason why we wanted to make sure we bring that to light, because I'm sure that there will probably be answers over the next days, coming days, not just even from the post, you know, pressor but just in general, you know, when you're talking about, you know, did the heat really give everything that was left
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They knew we were coming. Man, they knew we were coming. Time now for the breakdown. Callie Warrenshaw Baseline NBA podcasts and this is our coveted autopsy report. Shaw and I get thrown in white coats, White coats one more time to break down Never Nuggets in the mighty and since Never Nuggets are the NBA champions the field, it is only right off the course, but in a good way. So listen, Job. I didn't want to be a believer of the Denver Nuggets only because of the fact that it was
just so hard to tell when you watch a team. I think that's the key. When you watch a team evolved, you can really see where they're going to stand. As far as you know their their championship medal, you know will come shining through. And this Denver Nuggets team proved to me that by far and away, they would have came out being the best team as long as they played up to the level of the potential. I think the only caveat, and you had mentioned this before, is do they have enough
depth to get them through the finish line? But when you look at the skill level of what they got from their starters, which you can make the argument they arguably had the best starting five in the NBA period when you look at their starters and you look at what they had even coming off the bench for at least nine nine players deep, I would probably argue with anyone to tell me that they could have found that good of a startup, even to
our teams that we said, like the Milwaukee Bucks and you know, things of that nature. I would think given the way that we've seen this Denver Nuggets play, I don't even think the Milwaukee Bucks with a healthy Honist to Tucumpo and what they had, even with a prime Chris Middleton, would have been able to stop what we saw from this Denver Nuggets team, which is a scary proposition considering that this is a team that can re up and reload
and come back from more for twenty twenty four. Yeah, I'll start where you finished there. Denver is more or less they're locked and loaded for their team, right fringe level free agents and no disrespect obviously to to Uncle Jeff Green and even as Smith Thomas Ryan, who they got as a midseason trade because he was unhappy with the Lakers, but they didn't even play him in the playoffs. DeAndre Jordan who saw some spot in minutes in the playoffs when
Yo was injured. Reggie Jackson who they got off the scrap people as well too. Those are the free agents. The core of this team is all signed for a least at least another two or three years, and Yokich has signed till twenty seven, twenty eight. So this Nuggas team, as you alluded to, is not going anywhere. And they made a very smart trade right I think, right before Game five of the NBA Finals, to acquire
a couple of draft picks from the OKC thunder Um. So, you know, not necessarily this year, but even for next year, they'll be able to have controlled talent, you know, within a paid range in essence that they can contentially potentially can afford, because they're going to have roughly about one hundred and seventy million dollars and committed salary next year. But when you're the NBA champions as they are, you probably do just bring everything back and tweak
around the edges. Bruce Brown um I forgot is a has a player option. He's opting out. He's an MBA champion, so he's opting out, and there's a very good chance they could lose him because you know he's signed Christians after seeing Christian Brown. Look, I'm not saying that that Bruce that that. I'm not saying that Brown and Christian Brown are you know like that
he get it. Yeah, but it's kind of like what the Warriors did when you know, when they when they basically went and got DiVincenzo, you know what I mean, They thought that they were able to kind of supplement, and I think that Nuggets were gonna would be okay with something like that. I would I would venture to think, though, if you're Brown, maybe you should consider staying because of the way things work for you. It's just so hard to assume that some other team is going to be able to
put you in the best position. Not about winning the championship, I'm saying you look at the way Brown was able to play so freely coming off as a second unit. Never had that even playing with the Brooklyn Nets. How many other teams you're gonna do that unless you're assuming that he's going to actually be a starter. And I'm not completely sold on that aspect of it yet. His shifting still has to be mean and I don't know what the market
is. I mean, if he's making he'd make roughly seven next year or six point eight to be exact, if he opts out. I mean, came Denver bringing back maybe two for twenty you know, give him ten million year? Is that? Does that keep him happy? You know in the role that he that he was in. You know, he's he's a defensive minded guy. You know, gives you some offense here and there. But
then you're playing with the championship level team. What the difference that's going to happen here now is where we've talked about and every other Optopsy report, where teams are they're a quote unquote cap strapped and they're not going to have a
whole lot of flexibility. Denver Is like said, they're the NBA champion, and then more players are going to be willing to kind of come and play for them for the minimum or the biannual, the mid level, whatever is available you know, to them, like they will have those options now because your Kitchen is clearly the best player in the world. He makes the entire of his teammates better. He doesn't score if he scores fifty, doesn't care
if he scores fifty. Year scores sixteen, and that is something that's amazing to play with. And now you have an amazing NBA champion level coach and
Michael Malone as well too. I think, you know they're not going to have a problem filling out the supplemental parts that are basically as you alluded to, maybe nine through twelve on their roster, because the top seven, top eight guys or again, they're all more or less coming back, with exception of Brown, Bruce Brown, and I think they'll probably figure out a way
to get something done. Let me say, let me tell you this though, so and this is you know how I was saying that Jannis is the most dominant basketball player, Like I kept saying that because I think the word dominant does not equate being the best player in basketball, because there are other there are other numbers that you would probably use, or other other metrics or tangibles that you will use in order to kind of put that stamp or that
connotation out there. But you said it correctly. Yokis is the best player in basketball, and it's because of the things you alluded to. But there's one other thing that really sticks out at me when I think about Yoki and this is scary. Yokis is so damn good right now. Bro. And I don't know if people were paying attention to this during the NBA Finals, but I really want people to really understand the lethalness of Yoki Nicola Yoki.
During many situations when the Nuggets called for and needed a basket, shooting a three, Yoki was probably spot on. I would be very interested from a statistic standpoint how many first three point shots Yokis was hitting through the course of this playoff run. It is amazing to me to see that at any moment, if he really wants to put his mind to scoring the basketball, he can damn will do whatever he wants to, whenever he wants to, wherever
he wants to. And you can't say that about even the Janisata Tukompo's. You can't say that about the Jimmy Butlers. You can't even say that about the Jason Tatums and the Joel Embiids. They haven't gotten to that point yet. They gotta find a rhythm, they gotta find something. You gotta give them a quarter or two before you begin to see that. Yokis can wait until the second half, like five minutes into the third quarter and then explode
for twenty five points. But when you look at the stat sheet, he winds up with forty. You know what I'm saying, Like that, you can't speak to that shaw, You can't find a metric for that. That's confidence, and more importantly, that's you knowing how you shoot the basketball. That's you knowing how you can get your buckets. And for him to be able to do that, man, and I just find that I'm saying, maybe I'm just putting them up, you know, such a high praise.
But I have never seen anything like that ever in our generation. When I look at basketball scores, I've never seen a guy basically just say I'm gonna wait, wait, wait, and then when I explode, I'm so unstoppable that even the other teams can't even account for. How does be able to stop you simply because you know that you can score whenever you feel like it. That that's doesn't heard of, that's unheard of. Yeah, well,
I mean the touches it it's remarkable, it really is. And why and a lot of people want to get into the comparisons right now, And you know, is he the best European player ever? And Dirk and blah blah blah blah. I mean that's that's neither here or there. At the end of the day. I think, you know, the Will twin is up
there with anybody right now. And I think it as we talked about it, even in the beginning segment, when he decided that this game was not going the way that they wanted it to go, he was like, give me that fintball. I'm gonna go down here and I'm gonna punish whoever you put on me guard wing big. It doesn't matter. This is what's going
to happen, you know. So to shoot as efficiently as he did in a closed out game, and just as he has throughout the entirety of the playoffs with that soft touch, being able to shoot from range, you know, if if it's there for him, but operating in the post, I think that to me and and to you maybe into some degrees too, it's like we come from you know that era, you know where it's like, hey, it's get your ass on the block. You're a big and he
has the ability to do whatever he wants to do. But the fact that he didn't just camp out when his teams needed buckets and hope the ball went in. Was as he fired away from three, he was like no, and he didn't get him going in the paint exactly. He didn't even get the out. He didn't bail out the heat either. Right like most guys like Joel Embiid as dominant as an MVP like season he had, he bailed out the Celtics, he's been He's bailed out other teams because he selled us
for jump shots. And you know, we could talk about the fact that he was injured, not one hundred percent, I'm not talking about that. What I'm talking about is you recognizing that you're gonna go to the place that you want to go to, and you are going to establish your presence at that space, and you're gonna force that other team to stop you in whatever it is that you're attempting to do, which really should be for his size
forward North South, and Yoki showed that. I mean, do you see the first step that he was showing once he stopped, you know, before he was getting he basically pulled the oaky doke on the heat. He basically, I'm gonna hand it off. I'm gonna do the two man game. With Jamal Murray and then many situations the moment that Gabe or Lowry or any of those small guys were assumed that he's gonna hand it off again because he
simply just wants to get Murray the ball. He basically went to that first step and already had those guys really on his shoulders, like they literally had to climb on top of him. And I think they, I think they intentionally wanted to foul him to just stop it. And it's amazing to me because the referees are sitting there just being like, oh, should we call the whistle, No, let's let the guys play, when they're clearly clipping
the dude. They're straight up clipping this man and calling fouls like amazing, amazing. It's still getting back and still getting buckets. Still, yeah, and that's the I guess that's the you know, the penalty if you will, if you're big and have that level of physicality. But his footwork is amazing, you know. And if you're watching him on offense, it's not just him standing at one location. There are times they're literally literally moving him.
In action. He's setting a down screen and cutting to the baseline popping back up from a from a pin down to catch the ball in the elbow and then dribbling and taking it to the rack and then dishing it all for fingers, finishing with the finger roll. The guy's phenomenal. And I think when you have that at your at your you know it's disposure if you will, it's just it's it's something that I think Michael Malone and this Nuggets team,
they know how to play him. He knows how to play and he doesn't try to do the things that he wouldn't necessarily be good at um or force things, and I think that's what's so amazing. Of all the superstars in our game, he's probably the one who forced his shots to the least. And this is not to not anybody in any capacity, but we know
Curry takes wild shots. We know Dan Lillard takes wild shots. Where the case it be, the wild shots so you've seen Yoki take is probably because the shot hawk is winding down in the ball is in his hand and he has no choice. Everything else is usually measured, And I think that's just that's phenomenal for the way that they are systematic and almost all in almost every single approach and offensive possession. And that's why they right up to get this
thing done. And I think that's why they should be in this conversation for a long time. Absolutely, So one quick thing and then I want to pivot to our boy Mpjum for there is one caveat and and I wonder if it's probably the only thing that you may wonder now that he's an NBA champion, where do we look at the hunger level? Right? Like, I believe that he really is a hunger Like I think he doesn't want to say it. He doesn't want to make it, you know, make it.
So I think there's a level of humble and sin to him. But I do believe that he wants to be among one of the greatest players that ever played this game of basketball. I think that he feels like that is the best way for him to pay homage of what the game is giving him and his family. Right, But I think that for him. One of the things that I've noticed at times is that Yokis does has a little bit of that Lasa fair lasadaisicalness, not in the way that we talk about when we
see Steph Curry with his recklessness of the basketball. There's a there's a risk reward factor when you see as great a player as Yokis is in the way that he does distribute the ball and make his other team better and stuff like
that. You saw that in an early outset that when you play against really good, hungry defensive teams that really want it, like the Miami Heat, they will take advantage of Yokich's you know, smoothness sort of speak and force him to actually, hey, I need you to play a little bit more physical and listen. It's been a while, right, Like, how long has it been since we'll be talking about Yokis being a dirty player? Right? I mean it's so far removed from that, which is how much it
speaks to how his game is evolved. So I just wanted to allude to that, that part that it's really stopping Yokis. I feel like at this moment in time, when you look into totality of his work in the last three years, two MVPs, now, a championship and an NBA at Finals MVP, only Yokis is stopping Yokis, and it will be frightening to see that if he focuses more on even showing that level of aggress like marrying the two right, you know what I'm saying. It's almost like super saying.
You know, it could really be a problem for the Western Conference and NBA in kind if we see another level to Yo Kitchen that way, all right, real quick, Shaw, Michael Porter Jr. I'm apologizing to you because I was straight up land based in this kid, maybe because I was pushing so hard to believe that he really was. He really could have been such a dynamic force in this series. This series was primed for him to be the secret weapons sort of speak, if the heat figured out a way to
neutralize Yo Kitchen Murray, and we just did not see that. And I do believe that while he did show really well tonight, he actually did the things that my god, he could basically doing his sleep the whole time in the series and refused to do it. It just raises a bigger point to me, Shaw, what will him winning this NBA Championship do and where do you see him fitting in when we talk about the Denver Nuggets moving forward,
Because listen, this is all about Yokitchen Murray. Aaron Gordon knows his role. He ain't spoiling the gravy train. He's good. He knows where he can find himself. It's the reason why I said look for him to be a defensive Player of the Year candidate. But where does this put Michael Porter
Junior in the structure of things when we talk about the Denver Nuggets. I'm pretty sure Michael Porter Junior understands so what it is now and after winning an NBA championship, if that doesn't become even more crystal clear to you, then he's doing it wrong. I don't I don't see a world where Porter Junior now comes out here and says, you know what, you know, Hey,
I gotta be average in twenty twenty two a game. I think we're past that because he got into the league so young, had all the injuries. He tried that route, tried to kind of force feed his offense, and it just an and go right for him. So where he's at right now and that you know, roughly seventeen to eighteen nineteen points per game range, you know, five six rebounds, and they can play stellar defense. But he is a guy who can get hot at times, you know,
and yeah, he can go off for thirty at night. If your kitchen is like, Hey, you know what, go ahead do he so to speak, I'm going to take the night off. But his role now was clearly defined as the number three guy behind this um in this pecking order, and you know, and Narin Gordon's not even that far behind them even when it comes to points per game. But I think Porter Junior just has to continue to develop his defense, stay healthy. For the most part, he's
already got his bag. He's signed to I think till twenty six, twenty seven, he's gonna be making thirty eight forty million dollars a year. Like there's there's he has nothing to complain about nothing, So go out here, continue to hoop, play within the system that is designed for you to be a high level contributor. Because it's not like he's coming off the bench or
anything like that. He's still giving them again, seventeen a game and playing, you know, thirty plus minutes a night, right out Michael Boord Jr. And ride this gravy chain that is Nicola Yokis for as long as you possibly can, you know, until the wheels fall off here. And I think that's the route for him and everybody else. When the Nuggets roster. To be quiet honest, there's nobody who needs to be trying to do more than what they're currently doing right now. Who do you think is more expendable
on their roster? Like if we're looking at this this this team, and we're saying, you know what, this role or this position could certainly get an upgrade. You know, do we see maybe you know, moving transitioning from contapious called Will Pope not saying that he's still ain't got nothing left in the tank. I think he's solid, But I'm just curious. You know, you run everything back and everything is supplemental parts. Yeah, I think
for the most part, they run everything back. If there's one situation that maybe you look at, is all right, do you feel like you have enough at the backup point guard situation? Bruce Brown was the facto backup point guard and he wasn't really contributing and distributing for people. You know, that's that's just Yoki's job. That's just what it is. So you know, when you have somebody at that level, you just don't need the traditional ball
handler so to speak. But if I was to tinker with this, maybe you're looking to get like a true backup guard to maybe take some of that pressure even off of your kitch at times, you know, in those young in the in those non joker minutes, and you can run Murray more at the two and get him, get him some off ball stuff and get somebody who can dribble and penetrating kick out. But I mean that's nitpicking, you know. I think they have enough three point shooting. They clearly have enough
defense, They clearly have enough size. You know. Maybe the other thing too, was do you get another backup, you know, for for for your kitch. But they just don't play those guys in the in the playoffs. You just you need them to eat up regular season minutes. So Thomas Bryan's DeAndre Jordan's of the world. Hey, they did what they need to do in the regular season, and then we didn't see them again, you know, you know, once once it turned you know, mid April.
But those are the things that I think the Nuggets can do, and I don't think they'll have a hard time finding guys who will be happy to contribute and play within the system that is now again NBA championship levels. All right, Well, let's and there's no eulogy needed for a team that is hoisting the championship trophy, the first championship trophy in the organization's history. Congratulations to
the Denver Nuggets once again for showing us the way. And uh hey, beware the rest of the NBA because this roster is stacked, locked and loaded, and they're gonna be a problem, you know, come next to this upcoming next season and stuff. So you know, beware. You know what I'm saying. We left We left the we left the tombs, We left it to what you would call it. We left the grave open because nug
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here on the Baseline and we are back. Callie Warrenshaw Baseline NBA podcasts, and now on our autopsy report, we're putting the Miami Heat on the Slabshaw. What an impressive run by team who came in as the eighth seed, made it all the way to the NBA Finals, push this to five games. Unfortunately, they just didn't have enough gas in the tank, and you basically saw that, you know, a line from the fact that they just
really didn't have the best matchups. Either way, a lot of good things still came from this because if you really think about this, you got guys, man, that have a much higher learning curve to improve and be better at playing this game of basketball and an NBA level, which I think is unheard of. You know what I'm saying, because a lot of times most teams are looking at saying, well, we're gonna upgrade and we're gonna throw
a whole bunch of money at all of these free agents. And Miami could go that role, man, But listen, there were some guys that I really just think they just didn't. They don't have enough teeth in the game for them to actually show whether or not they have the capabilities to stay. And I don't think this season and I don't even think this run against the
Denver Nuggets should mitigate that. I think it should actually show more so that there's opportunities if this team sticks together, that they can basically do what the Denver Nuggets were able to achieve, as long as you've got your guys like Butler and Bama to Bayu, who finally gotten an identity about how they're going to have this team run for them to be able to execute what they were
showing us that they're capable of executing. Miami's in a in an awkward spot because a lot of a lot of people are going to doubt them coming into next year. You know, they had their offense was putrid. It was twenty fifth overall coming into the playoffs, right, they still played good defense, but they were two minutes away from being completely eliminated, you know,
in the playing tournament, you know, against the Chicago Bulls. They ultimately obviously turned it around, got all the way to the NBA Finals, dispatching two of the top three teams in the Eastern Conference, specifically in Milwaukee and Boston, and having a game shooting against the Denver Nuggets. So there's nothing to to pooh poo on their season in any capacity. However, I am
concerned. I think with what we saw offensively, you know, throughout the course of the regular season, and I think they were able to outwill people in the playoffs. And I just don't know how sustainable that is year over year over year if the talent isn't up to a certain level, and they're going to have some decisions to make, you know, player option for Victor Oladipo, I don't really know how much he's a part of the overall plans.
Tyler Hero's extension kicks in next year. They got to figure out if they're going to pay Gabe Vincent and Max Duce. Those are two guys who were monumental for them. They were trying to get rid of Duncan Robinson, they were trying to get rid of Kyle Lowry. They ended up needing both of those guys, and they contributed throughout the course of the playoff run. So where what's the mix, like, what what is what is the land? And do you just lean on Jimmy and Bam? You know, BAM's
only twenty five years old and there's still room for him to grow. I think as a NBA Star. You just sat there and said, a hold on, you just sat there and said before when we were saying, yeah, I've decided I just don't like his game. Are you talking about the game that he showed in the in in in you know this finals, or you're talking about his overall game like you're just his overall game to me, Like he's he's clearly valuable in the system and what what Miami needs to do.
He's a lynchpin for what they're going to be in the future. I personally am out on him. I realize more he's he's not dirty in any capacity, but he moves pretty much on every single screen screen. Uh, a little bit of a flopper here and there, But I think that's maybe some of the Miami you know, the Kyle Lowrys and all of them. Now you see that with Gay Vincent, you definitely see that. Jimmy Butler
like. But I think at the end of the day, and this is going to sound way more negative than I mean it to be, but I think at some point, when you don't have the requisite talent, you just kind of have to do any and everything. And the Miame Heat are not a dirty basketball team. They're not dirty, that's just not what they're about. But they're not above flopping, they're not above embellishing in a way to
try to overcome some of the disadvantages they may have. You know, if they're going to be just if if the talent on the other side, it's just better, especially if another talent can another team can match their proverbial will. And I think that's where miame shines is that they just have that that
will to win, that never say die. That's obviously led by Jimmy Butler and Eric Spolsho specifically, But for me with mam he showed signs in this playoffs where he was more aggressive and you just need him to be that all the time, and that is not something that we have seen. And then the MIAMEI faithful are like, hey, why aren't you a twenty five twenty seven point per game guy, Like you could be that? But he, you know, he does all the other little things and the intangibles that helps
miame be as successful as they as they are in most parts. So they've got to figure out exactually what that looks like. Um, but I'm concerned about what exactly they're going to do with the guys who they were really really trying to get rid of. And I don't know if this playoff run kind of kombay y'alld all of that and brought it all back together. And now all is forgiven on the Duncan Robinson situation, all as were given on n Kyle Liry situation, and if it is, I don't necessarily know that it
should be. Um So you bring away too many any points. Let me I want to ask this question first, and then maybe I'll be able to try to revisit some of the things you just said a moment ago. Let me ask you this question, given what you've now seen the body of work of Bam bay to Bayou, do you think BAM pairs well with Jimmy Butler.
The reason why I asked this question is because now the terminology that's going to be thrown out there, when you see what Yokich and Murray is doing, when you've seen when Draymond Green and Steph Curry get together, when you see um U Job Morant and Steven Adams right like, there's there's a two man game, right, Arden and Embid, Right, there's a two man game. Why do you think it's so difficult for Bama to buy you to have his two man right like Butler and Bama to buy you have been together
now for what three years? Why is it difficult for them to establish a two man game with their skill sets? Um, I don't know that it's not established. You know, it's just not dominant. And you know there's again there's some deficiencies that are there. Bam still in undersize big despite having the speed advantage in a lot of situations, he doesn't always have the size
advantage there, you know, And is his jumper rangy enough? I think, you know, sixteen to eighteen, maybe even twenty, you feel pretty confident. But he also misses a lot of chippies as he gets to the lane, and we saw that throughout the course of the playoffs, like he misses a lot of layups, and then Jimmy, maybe it's just the time, it's what we see with him over time, he just obviously wears down.
So again, I don't think the two main game is ineffective, but I just I don't think it's the same two man game that you can go to with maybe some of the other matchup seal. I think what I'm alluding to Shaws. I don't feel like the Heat or maybe spol Straw leans on that more so, I guess in a way where I'm going with this. And again it's just me. I feel like they are stretching Bam thin because
look at the look at their supplemental parts around him sort of speak. There's no real definitive way that you can describe the Miami Heat, Like they want to shoot, but they can't shoot. They want to play a two man game, but they don't lean on the two man game, So it's kind of like they're playing both sides of how their offense. Really, it's like almost like they're trying to still feel it out sort of speak whatever works,
you know, they'll go with it. And I'm just saying, when you got a player like bam I to buy you going into the offseason, when you're saying what are the things I need to improve on? What are the things I need to fix? And to your point, it's just like, you know, why don't we see band become more aggressive? Well, part of my question is is like, what what do you define as aggressiveness?
Right, because to your point, you probably would be like I can live with him missing fifteen sixteen chippies if he's doing it consistently to be aggressive going to the basket, but when he bails out and you know, he's like letting other guys eat and he's not being aggressive. And then suddenly now you're expecting him but going out there and start throwing those shots up and stuff like that, and he's missing them. Well, you gotta remember the guys.
He's never put himself in a position where there's a rhythm to him, you know what I'm saying. And I think this is the first time that I'm actually questioning how the Miami Heat want to really utilize Bam out to buy you because of the fact that you have all of these other parts around him that don't seem to fit, you know, with consistency to what I think he even wants to try to do. And I'm not saying it has to be built around him. I'm just saying, look at all of these pieces that
Bam works with. I don't think that he's ever been comfortable with every single piece that's been on the floor with him since this version of the Heat has been out, you know what I mean, That's just me. No, I mean again, we may just disagree there because I think how they utilize him, you know, at the nail and setting screens, doing dribble handoffs, kicking out to the corners and to the wings is ultimately how they want
to play, you know, especially when their shooters are hot. And that makes a lot of a lot of sense, you know, for him. He is a capable passer, and he's you know, has a decent basketball like you. And obviously he's the tenacious defender of well too, and that's just kind of like in his system. I'd be interested to see and I don't think, you know, I can't see it now Bam ever, not being in a uniform, but I'd be interested to see how he played and
how he looked in another uniform, in another system. Would we see him be a little bit different. He's still averaged twenty and nine a game, so he's not devoid of offensive talent. He's not and I'm not produced and I'm not saying I know that's not what you're saying. I just I think,
but there's a there's still a sense. And I've say, you know, live where I live, and a long time people like, hey, why can't Bam be this there's always that next level I think of offensive capability that they want to see because they see it in spurts like we saw in even in Game five in the first half eighteen points and then he scored what three, four or four points in the second half, and that's because maybe he runs out of gas. But he started missing a lot of layups as
well too. Um, he's just not dominant in that way. He can be dominant and stretches, but he's not a he's not in a he's not
an NBA elite player. He's not a super stright and and at some point, but let me ask you this question, like, what's your take on on Jimmy Butler, because listen, we're a long way away from the himmy stuff that we were seeing, you know, in the first couple of rounds of the playoffs, and he definitely trailed off, not that he wasn't good, but he trailed off from what we saw, you know, especially in that Milwaukee series, and that probably just was unsustainable to kind of see throughout
the course. Um, but he's thirty three, he's gonna be making roughly fifty million dollars by the end of his contract. You know what do you think the status is in Miami's not going to trade him, Like we're not talking anything crazy like that, But how do you what do you think is the next step of evolution for him or is there? And what happens with
his Miami Heat team overall. Well, so two things that really stick out to me with with Jimmy Butler is clear that if you put enough length on him, he's going to have difficulty being able to create and make shots the way that he typically does. I find it interesting Shaw, And I guess maybe it comes full circle when you see, you know, the final possession that Jimmy Butler had to give the yacht, the Heat an opportunity to maybe
even take the lead. I think it was they think they were down by one or no, no, they were down they were yeah, they were down by one at the time, and he dribbles down, he goes way deep into paint. The Nuggets don't switch and clearly I think it was Gordon. It was Gordon or somebody that was on him, and he just he basically tried to pump fake he did, and the Nuggets they knew that this was coming, They knew that this was what was going to happen. They
didn't bite and what did he do? He tried to you know, he tried to back out and then he wind up turning the ball over the table. Call Will Pope reads the passing lane and intercepts the pass. Hey enough, teams see what you do and if this is what your go to is,
somebody's gonna read you out. And I think this is what you know, Jimmy Butler is gonna have to go home and do his homework on He has to figure out a way to be able to find ways to score, to score, to basketball against guys that are going to be taller than him, lengthier than him, you know what I'm saying. And whether that's developing a new you know, offensive repertoire sort to speak. We've seen guys at his age be able to do that. The Kobe Bryant of the world,
of Lebron James of the world. That's gonna have to be his evolution. He can't go back to the same thing that he's been doing over the last couple of years, because you're not gonna have the advantage of playing you know, the the Jason Jalen Browns and the Jason Tatums who are basically kind of your size, your girth, you know what I'm saying, And you're gonna
rely on your savvyness. You're gonna have to shoot over some of the best of the best, which in the game is becoming lengthier, more versatile, athletic wing like three, four or five type players. And to me, that's where I think Jimmy Butler need Himmy Butler needs to be at Well,
let's take it back to the tal Hero situation. And I know we don't live in fantasy land here, so this week, but Tyler Hero healthy throughout the course of those playoffs, do we get the same outcome, you know, with Miami making it all the way to the NBA Finals, And do they have a better chance against the Denver Nuggets. Oh, I shouldn't say
that, because I clearly they have a better chance. Could they have won the NBA Finals Tyler Herro healthy throughout the course of the throughout the course of the playoffs, they would have just they would just have proven me, you know, correct in our predictions that we're saying the Nuggets would win in six. I don't think that Tyler like Tyler Hero is a solid player. Don't
get me wrong. I Am not taking anything away from that, but Tyler Herod was not going to be the only thing that the Miami Heat would have needed to be able to beat this Nuggets team. Listen, we didn't even get into all this. I don't have to because I think it's all if you people were watching this NBA Finals, the Denver Nuggets really were the more
dominant basketball team. And if you watch this last game, this Game five, the Denver Nuggets did everything in the they possibly could to draw this thing out longer than it needed to be. They I mean, they clearly looked like a team that was so nervous about not effing it up. They gave the Miami Heat so many chances. I've just seen too many opportunities with the Denver Nuggets could have blown the Miami Heat out of the water in this series.
And sometimes they play not to lose, and it happens. This is your first NBA Finals, you know what I'm saying. But it does not mitigate the fact that the Denver Nuggets would just a far superior team and they had bodies that they could have thrown out at Tyler hero We don't know what version of Tyler hero would have been out there on that basketball court. So I wasn't going to rest on the idea that Tyler Hero would have changed and
things dynamically. Maybe would have aided Jimmy Butler a couple of times, but I don't think he would have been that much of a difference maker. To stop with them Denver Nuggets are throwing at them, Yeah, I agree with you one one thousand percent, you know, and just kind of throwing it out there in general. So kind of back to the matter at the hand, gave Vincent, Max Drus big names free agents from Miami that is, you know, maybe not necessarily on the open market, but guys who they
are probably going to want to retain. But at what number of those guys made just under two million dollars is here? And I mean, yeah, I just I know there's more money for them out there, So I don't I don't know how Miami brings both of those guys back unless they move off of Frank and Robinson. Can I throw something at you real quick? Shaw, This is where we really see the savvy of pat Riley, right.
I think pat Riley is gonna is going to force them to make it make a choice hey, we he'll basically and I don't think he's afraid to say this. I mean, we picked you up off of the off of the sidewalk, off of the causeway. You know what I'm saying. We gave you a chance, and look where we took you, Look where our culture took you. You want to go and see you can do that somewhere else,
have at it, you know what I'm saying. I don't think he's afraid to let them dudes go because he's like, we can find we can find other Max Chuses, we can find other game Vincent's and guess what,
He's proved it, you know what I'm saying. So I would think that if you are the max Chuses and gave Vincent of the world, be very hilarious about what you're prioritizing for yourself and your NBA career, because I think you and I can say without without doubt, Shaw, there have been plenty of dudes who went and collected the bag and then have been basically bagging their ass right on the at the end of the bench twelve on the roster chart.
Coaches got no use for them, can't find them anywhere in the rotation it doesn't play them. They're getting paid, but after that money drives up, you will not see them playing in the NBA again. You better go check them on NBA TV playing in the G League. I think for those guys, you know, mid twenties, so they're not necessarily old, but you know they haven't gotten a legitimate contract yet, and Miami can go into attacks to retain its own guys. I just don't know what that number would
ultimately look like, and I think there'll be some bidders out there. Strus didn't have a great NBA finals. Do you need Struss if Hero and Duncan Robinson are healthy, I mean, they were there all year and Streuss ended up becoming the starter. So I don't know's it's a really, really a tough situation, I think for Miami, and do you kind of run off of the high off of this amazing run, or do you make some harder
decisions here now fiscally understanding that you've got to rebuild them again. The team was terrible offensively. All the guys shot terribly from the three point line this season and got better in the playoffs. For the most part, they're terrible rebounding team. They're one of the worst teams and block shots as well too, So those are all things they need to figure out a way to address in some capacity. And there's not somebody on the roster who's going to ultimately
just kind of become that. Even a guy like Ohma, You're seven, who they don't even play. You know, his contract is up and he's at least a legitimate six ten seven foot type big, but you know they're not really concerned about playing him. Kevin Love free agent or are they're going to bring him back. So to me, there's a lot of questions with
this Miami team despite this amazing run. Unfortunately, I can't help but think it was just that it was a run, and I don't know that we can rubber stamp them back into the top of the Eastern Conference and making the same type of run nixt are all things being considered that I think they could trust some stuff, but I don't know where exactly that's going to Absolutely, but that would be a mistake on anyone's part to assume that that's what we're
talking about here, because let's not you know, I've skate Like the truth is, they were not the best team almost like they weren't even the best team out of their own division, right, but they they they found a way. Unto your point, the effort, the fact that they played as a team and they saved the best version of basketball to get them through the playoffs for that run. Okay, And that's something you just can't teach.
And sometimes that's it's a hard road to be able to put that together unless you have the right guys who are willing to commit and sacrifice for those things, which is again, look look at how many teams have been trying to do that via through free agency, through trades, right look at the Brooklyn
Nets, look at the Philadelphia seventy sixers and all those guys. So what I'm just alluding to, Shaw is is more to the point that there is room of opportunity for these guys to actually take stop in knowing that it took a Denver Nuggets team that was that talented to best you, and that you have an opportunity for yourself to improve on the things that you highlighted. You're not good offensively, you don't shoot the basketball well, you don't rebound the
basketball well. These are things that you can actually take this off season and work on and improve on. It'll be funny because to your point, if some of these guys are interested more about the bag, you know what I'm saying, because of what they what they could bring to another team. Now you're talking about you. You're changing how you're gonna fit for what that team is gonna do, not for what you could be doing for the Miami Heat.
So it'll be interesting. Shaw, Like a lot of times, we look more so on the decision making of the organizations about what type of players they are looking to put together, you know, on the roster, especially if you already have your core guys like Butler and how to buy you right and in Hero. But my thing is is that you know, sometimes you also got to look as a player, what is it that you are actually looking for, especially after you've made a run like this. Well, I'm
gonna again. I know we're running short on time, and this is kind of maybe a bang or way to kind of go out, so to speak. But there is the stuff, you know. And I texted you the other day like I'm listening, I'm a little tired of I'm getting owner Bro. I definitely am. I'm tired of him here and dame talk and hint at things, but Lillard is a name that he I guess there could be a slimns a slim twinkling the eye possibility. Pat Riley is going to try
to do something to improve this roster. I think he's smart enough to know that things broke right. They weren't lucky, but things broke right for them in a way, and they got the matchups that they were able to dominate really kind of the Eastern Conference. Do they go out and get a guy
like Lillard? I don't know, but I think we know pat Riley is going to big game hunt and that probably comes at the expense of the guys I mentioned before, Lowry Tyler, Hero maybe even or Duncan Robinson, because those are bigger contracts that can be cobbled together to try to get, you know, another star to pair alongside Jimmy and ba blam out of bio. All right, well listen, so let me ask you, what's your faith me to run the heat that they that they find themselves making making the playoffs
for next year. I think they're gonna they're just too witty and strong. I like how us first, Yeah, they're too strong well to not make the playoffs, so they'll be in the playoffs own capacity. And I thought they were going to be in at a four or five seed this year as as as it stood, so I could see that potentially being their fate next year. Um, but again, I just don't think things are going to break right for them in the way that they did this year that they can
make another run to the NBA Finals without significant upgrades. All right, well, fair enough, man, fair enough once again, y'all another awesome show put together. Man, And this has been a fabulous season. Um. I know we got a lot of stuff on the on the on the pipe come, you know, for the for the off season, but man, this is just a really really enjoyable season. You know, the baseline, been doing it for ten years and then and it's it's been great to be
able for us to you know, cover and discuss another NBA Finals. And I like the twist. I like the fact that it wound up being a team who's never had an opportunity to hoist that trophy, to be able to do that this year. It's what it's all about keeping the level of interest kind of going throughout the NBA. So for our fans, listeners, thank you so much for rocking with us this NBA season. Obviously we're still going to be here during the offseason, drift Playoff, Summer League, the whole
nine. But this has been a wild one. To see a mid to small market team like the dun Nugs finally get their first NBA championship is an amazing situation you just again. For me as an NBA fan, I like to see that type of situation and allowing other people to kind of get a
bite at the apple, as you'd like to say. Man, So shout out to the city of Denver, shout to their fans, and obviously to that great organization who's able to kind of get it done here into twenty two twenty three seas Absolutely once again, we like to thank you and yours for tuning in with us. Keep us live. Do you know how we do? Baby for the baseline, Kylie Warrenshaw, we appreciate you guys, you know we do. We'll catch up with you next time.