Episode 231 "Sean Garrett"

you do snapshir we do snaps the bold famous sea. Yeah, it's up, sir. Welcome to the show man. We said snaps. You don't you doing snaps? Man? Give me novation. A lot of people don't know this, but I talked to you all the time. We talked all the time. One of my friends in the industry that I met in the industry, but we talked about personal stuff all the time. I appreciate you pulling up on us. Man. We go, how you host a show with us? Then we will

getting your business? Okay, all right, here we go. What do you guys thoughts on LSU, Angel Reese and Jill Biden. The Jill Biden controversy. You guys know that LSU won the we didn't know that ship for people who don't know because it's a podcast and some people be in Lala land. Um, Jill Biden, the uh, the wife of the president, the first lady. She invited both teams to go to the White House, and then of course one team, one team one and that never happens. You never invite both.

It was like one h two to eighty five. Yeah. Yeah, it was a really good game. I watched that game. It was a good game. And that was my first time ever watching a woman's basketball game. And for the record, Caitlin Clark is a bad mother weather none time out. He's bad. She's not a bad girl. I only watched it for her. I shoot, she just shoot from the pardlt. I don't know why they put the black verse the

white thing, but he's fired anyway. With Internet about that, the Internet, I felt like the way it ended up playing out the way it should have played out. Yeah, um, you know LSU man shout out the LSU. Yeah yeah they did. The ladies got down, um and Kaitlyn is hard like she she should get down. And I think that Caitlin actually calmed everything down. He did when when she got an opportunity to um speak about it, Yeah, speak about it. And man, I think she was real

professional sportsmanship, right, I think she did. Yeah. I don't think she wanted to smoke though with what baby girl facts facts the court, Yeah on the court by Kayla got all the smoke. Listen. I don't think I don't think that both teams should have been invited, you know. Fact, I think LSU kind of looked at that as like a slap in the face. And then and you know, the only the thing that I hate most about the Internet is the Internet and the media makes everything so racial.

It's like everything has to be black and white. It's like, hey, I feel like that's never gonna stop. Keep in mind because we saw it with Larry Bird and Magic Johnson UM, and it's just I don't I haven't seen a female rivalry like that in a long time. I can't even remember one that was good for TV for me. For me, that was the viral moment for female basketball, you know

what I mean? Like that, this is the moment I think we all look back on and say, like this was the turning for Remember what I'm saying, and I feel like, well, it's it's about time that I want to go on record to say I think it's about time that the females start get pay Come on now. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. They got they gotta feel them, they gotta feel them seats up. Though they feel they feel well, I think they was the attention that it was felt. Yeah, like they feel the seats up right.

But not only that, I feel like it's more than enough ways for them to figure out how to, you know, how to put put people in the seats. Um. I think if they, you know, started to do more um participation in advertising, you know what I'm saying, Um, you know, commercializing it more, um, just bringing more light to it, you know what I mean, Like girls be balling. Yeah,

I think I think they need more media coverage. I think the media to speak more about because this is probably the most I've ever seen a woman's basketball game being being covered in the number showed like I believe the whole game. I did too. Yeah, I've never even watched a woman's basketball game. I watched the whole game like I'm watching watching the NBA Finals. I'm like, I was, Oh my God, I was one time for fly J's my little homie. Remember she was on she was on

the Rap Game, she was on the Rap JD. She now plays for LG and she has a recording deal with rock Nation. Wow, big shout out to her. Yeah yeah, all right, all right, right, all right, um, how'd your kids? How'd your wife? No? Okay. Marcus Houston says he met his wife when she was seventeen, but did not pursue a relationship until she was eighteen. He is twenty years older than her. Thoughts, y'all didn't know that. I knew that, but go ahead. He met her at seventeen and did

not pursue it that she was eighteen. He's twenty years old. Yeah, he talked to or anything. He wait until she was legal. League, come one, who is believing that you met a young lady at seventeen and you said, Hey, I'm gonna wait twelve months and talk it. Take you on a day. I think this stuff, Lisa, stop resurfacing because this happened before, because I remember when he married her and they would talk about the age gap and how how young she

was and nothing happened. So like, why are we continuing? Like why are we continuingly talking about it if we're not gonna say or do anything, you know you want to people, go ahead, go ahead, I said, you want to know why people keep talking about it because r Kelly and Jail and they was high. They look at that time they were sweeping another rug under the rug and then it came back out again and they for years. Car Malone, My thing is, I wouldn't get would I

would want more attention on things. Does this matter? I don't. I'm not upset that this stuff keeps rehashing. We needed to just to protect these women out here. What do you think about this, Sean? I mean, I think what do y'all y'all feel like? I mean, but do you feel like do you feel like the women are like who Who's whose fault? Do you think it is just like the whoever's older, it's their fault? Whoever is the

mature dog? She's seventeen when he had his eye on her and thirty seven a thirty seven year old man should not be a mutual friend too. So some people and that's a little sketchy because some people we were talking with Gail be and the uh they do? What does what does she call it um grooming? Yeah, some people do the grooming thing, so that's kind of raises a brow too. She turns eighteen, he turns thirty eight.

Still a twenty year gap. Ain't no twenty eight year olds or thirty two year olds or not see this as a red flag. Well, I think the mutual friend was was the probably one of them that was helping doing the grooming. You know what I'm saying, like, like, I don't know, I believe with people adults, you know, the age thing, the age the age yub don't don't think eighteen is not an adults But he said seventeen. I mean he probably really met her at fifteen, nineteen twenty.

It's like you have so much more things going on around that those times frame mentally. But well they married now, right, all right, says man. Code wives and baby mamas are off limits. What are your thoughts? And do you agree like baby mamas is off limits amongst friends meaning you know, my baby mom, you shouldn't be here. I think he was saying it as like an industry thing, like people you know like you Yeah, yeah, I mean I me personally, I probably would take that same it that same route.

I mean, respectfully, I don't think that I would if I know somebody, Uh, the baby Mama's probably a little bit of off limits. Yeah, it was a little bit. I mean, what if the opportunity presents itself. Is she single? That is true? I don't know if if it's somebody that I'm cool with, like that, I'm cool with. Yeah,

I definitely, I'm probably not gonna now. I think if I think the baby mama is off limits, if you if you know the kid, you know what I'm saying, like like, if you ain't got no relationship with the kid, then it's like I don't think the baby Oh lord who Future does definitely does no bout. I mean, ain't got no choice but to know each other. I don't know they don't have no choice. But I'm saying, prior to him dating his baby mama, did he know that was Oh, I don't know. I don't think. I don't

think Future and Batau ran around the same. Yeah, yeah, I don't think that was in the same But is that not like he said, Like we were just saying, it's like an industry standard, like bro code. I'm guessing man ain't nobody ain't nobody baby mama off limits. I don't think yes, because the dollar reason why I say wives are off limits because people people saying the same. I think, I think people will kill you over their

baby mama too. Yeah, but they why like Brome is definitely yeah, wife is off well, ex wife too, because I'm sure that's what he means is because it's like, yeah, because they got my ex wife because if his wife, you know what, I don't care who's to me? I don't care. So they not respectfully to the mother the mothers of my kids, right, respectfully, I'm not tripping. Yeah, we don't want to get you in trouble personally Ferrari Yeah, right to my exes. I'm not tripping on any of that.

So that's what I'm saying. No, X happier relation is off women, your baby mama limits, your ex wife not off limits to my circle. Now you and my grooms man still to my friends. Yeah, but industry people aren't friends because I'm let's stop, let's stop not friends. Yeah, but Garrett was was wrote somebody record and y'all not friends.

And the man baby Mama tried to give you that thing you're gonna hear is off limits to me because that's my That's that's what I mean, because I would definitely take a personal I would take a personal if like my friend, like if fou out, r if if if foul out was to hit my my baby one be like wheezy, what's happening? Like But yeah, like I mean, I think, yeah, oh my god, oh yeah, no, you know that's it's no man dreams, it's you know what

gonna talk about? Okay, Yeah, because I was ahead, it's like on the court, on the court and on the field better than now, I'm taking his head off. I'm like, he's not he can't fuck with me. Okay, but can we go? Can we go there? Yeah? All right, So shout out to you in the dream, you guys is like the first unofficial versus the first viral. You guys were the first viral moment in the pandemic ye, which

turned into versus and all this stuff like that. I think the viral moment came from Sean being kind of tipsy or drunk or whatever you want. I actually, first of all, I don't do nothing to roll, but but now you know, I had went to the dentist. I was at the dentist that day and I had two root canals. So I was actually when I when I when I got the call from Swiss, I was with my man Bobby, and I was out of it in

his truck, you know what I'm saying. So when I got the call, it was like, Yo, I don't even know if I'm gonna really be able to do this Swiss, and Swiss like, yo, I need you right, So it was it was it was like the same night he called you when you got online. It was yeah, it was like an hour ye, like an hour away. Was this like the verses or was it just like something

like well, it was like what was so crazy? When people don't really understand I was actually holding my I was actually holding my phone the entire time, right, So it wasn't like it was set up. It was, you know, this was the versus versus was you know what I'm saying, was like, hey man, we're gonna have it a little battle, you know, a little conversation. And this was like he had told me like a week before. Should I forgot

about it? You know what I mean? And I definitely when he when he called me and reminded me that day, I was like, I am I am lit, you know what I mean? I was he was late, but who wants up with me? No? I was, oh yeah, but I still yeah, I mean why when it got real,

it got real serious. And you know what really turned it up was Swizzy put me on the cables and was like, yo, bro, you ain't feeling this, Like I gotta show you this commercial this So he sent me the commercial and you know, because we both did like little like little commercial to for the for the event, and oh my god, he was just talking about, man, I'm the culture and you're not the culture, and I'm just like, what gas? Like, who is gassing you to

think that you? What are you talking about? What are you talking like? So it just it just went from you know, in my natural I'm already on ten to come to you know, being on the field, and I mean, you know, it's kind of like men men men's dream have always had this um competitive nature. Yeah, we've always been competitives. You know. He always wanted to occupy that house. You know what I'm saying. Can can you go down the list of your number one because I know you

know them Ushers? Yeah you wrote ushers. Yeah, Yer's goodies, Sera's goodiesh Beyonce's check up on it, Fergie's London Bridge. Did you do give me body too? Yep, give me body? He did upgrade body. Yep, you did upgrade, you upgrade you diva. Uh that's the shy soldiers lose my breath. I mean, you got Beyonce records, but he got records too. Ain't got these, but he got the newest ones. He

ain't got the bombs like these. Man, listen. So so let's let's go, let's go, let's go, let's put let's put his against even the latest album alone grand So you're gonna tell me, so let's just keep it gangster. You're gonna tell me which one of them records on they're harder than ring the alarm Renaissance. We're talking about blog we s my shit that that's classic forever. Yeah, we're talking about records that you just got to perform.

Put a ring on it, Okay, classic forever. Okay, I put up one of mine up, I put check up on against that. Nah. It was nine weeks number one, So what you say, number one? What's happening? Dream? You gonna to come on here? Dream? It was cool, he Dream, Let me let me do it more real quick, Hey, Dream, we gotta have you on The Baller Show. Sean Garrets on here talking smack. I'm talking and I'm talking, So

we need you to come back on here. We might need to do an episode both of y'all, but that would be I got more I got more hot one hundred than ones and him about far period. Hey, So I'm gonna let him come on here into enough crying. What we're doing? What is we doing? We'll be right back with more of The Baller Alert Show. Sean Garrett, Where are you from? I'm from Atlanta from um and you grew you grew here? Know. I moved to Europe when I was fired, okay, um? And how what made

you get into music? Like? Was music something that that was already in you? Like? How did you? Because you know it's hard to become a number one hit writer. So you know I was an artist and saw my first record deal when I was fourteen. Um, I came back to the States with who where do you? Who'd you signed with Aerial BMG so in Europe and I actually came back to the States to sign a new

deal here in America, um My deal fell through. I was signing with Warner Um Warner that I worked for, yep um and so um and so then man, my mom came. My mom got sick and I and I'm losing my mom to cancer. And so I moved back to Atlanta, and you know, I started shopping um my demo for a new artist deal. Uh. And so people were like, yo, you were by Sean Garrett. Yeah. People were like, yo, you really read some great songs, like do you mind or would you mind writing songs for

other people? And I was like, I don't really do that. Who asked you that? Just generally people were hearing. Yeah, And it was like a lot of the songs that I was that I wrote for myself, they were all different. I've always had this perspective of, like, none of my records. I never really wanted none of my records to sound the same. So I could do a body of work they would all go together, but they would they would

definitely be different. Like, you know, like it made sense for me to do a year right on an album like Confessions, because my perspective would be, let me do something on this album that's going to be different, that's going to be a standout outside of what everyone else is doing, right, And so I never really even thought writing songs, writing and producing songs for other people with something that I really wanted to do. I never even something I never even thought that I wanted to do.

And I actually was like totally against it until I lost my mom. And you know, it was really like a sort of a wake up call of just like realizing that, you know, life is short and she should always say, like, you know, you should put all your eggs in basket, in one basket. So I ended up doing a wishing deal with Hitco. I mean lad publishing company. UM original Hitco, the original one, Yeah, the original one. UM. And right before then, I started getting a lot of

UM offers from different publishing companies. So I was like, damn, they really want to pay me this much money to write? Did you have a hit record for them to reach out to you like that or No. It was just like in our community, like in Atlanta, you know what I mean. It's like, you know, you had you had Hitco, you know, you had Sony, you got all these different publishing companies. That's right in our area, you know what

I'm saying. So heard your stuff was circulating around. Yeah, it was kind of circulating around, and there was different people. And I actually ended up doing my deal with hitco Um God Rest his Soul with Shakier Stewart and Billy Callaway. So Billy Callaway was throwing these um Billy Callaway was doing these bowling leagues, the Entertainment Bowling League, so the Entertainment Bowling League. Everyone would be there, right, and so it was just all of the play is that was

actually in Atlanta, Man, you had plugged in. Chris hicks Um was actually the president of Warner Chapel at the time, and then he also had Noontime. They also had Noontime, so neon Time was a whole production company. And then you got the dreams uh and Tricky they were all at what's the name, what's the name of their uh the click Uh damn, I forget the name of the click, but that was a whole click um. So you had

like different section sectors of you know. B Cox was signed too, if I'm not mistaken, he was signed the Noontime John toy Austin was signed the Noontime UM. Jazz Fabe was signed a Noontime UM so you know you like that young click. I wasn't in the click just like people just liked the songs, you know what I'm saying. And so I ended up doing my deal a HITCO and and the crazy part was like, as an artist, I was an outsiders. As a publisher, that was my publisher, right.

So as a producer and a songwriter, I was working there, right, I was signed there, and so um, my first opportunity to get it get in the game was UM working on Ushers. Yeah, I was working on was trying to get on Confessions, UM, and that was one that you were trying to get on there. So I was trying to get on there because it wasn't um, it wasn't easy, and it was like that you know, La had called me. It was like what you're gonna do? Kid? Like, you know,

Confessions album is about to close. So I looked at that opportunity as man, if I if I can get on this album, this could be the start of something and I can get I can get in and get out of here, you know what I'm saying. Because my whole perspective was like I wanted to get in and get out. I really wanted to if I was gonna do this, I really wanted to do it. I wanted

to do it at the highest level. So UM, I ended up doing my UM doing my deal there UM and so the quickest way I felt like I was gonna be able to because at the time everybody was real clickish, so I wasn't in the click to be very honest, you know what I mean. J d Um shout out to J d Um, Brian Michael Cox, a lot of these guys, man, they were already implemented in the systems right and so I'm an outsider UM at

the time. Also, Pouvier was signed to Hitco um My man Zeke who now uh is president for um Epic. He was a songwriter, he worked, I mean he was signed to Hicco as well. Um Tab Tab was over uh No, I think Tab was signed a Hitco too, but he was a part of Tricky and Dreams crew. So to be honest, man, it was like they all thought all my records were completely They were like, who's this new guy? Man? His song was a whack like, so people thought your songs weren't good or they was

just hating on you. I don't know what it was. Man. But you know, you know, I was an athlete. I'm an athlete, Bob Bob. I played football, basketball, baseball, like I played every sport. So I'm I've always been real competitive, always been like really in shape. So wrong business. Yeah, I was just with competing. It didn't matter, you know what I'm saying. My question to you is, how did Usher get Yeah? This was your first big one? Yeah? This was my second song. Actually ever, what was your

first hit? My first? But USh, Yeah it was my first hit. My first song out was latifs I Don't Want to Hurt You. That was my ship, you know what I'm saying. Um from my slow jam playlist. Yeah, so like that's crazy so um And I actually really loved that song, Like I thought that was I thought that song was gonna go. Then he did a video in the rain and yeah, yeah, I didn't very about to do a video in the rain. I was like the first but go ahead in the car? How did

they say? Yes? How did you get in the door? Well, I mean I had. Um. I got a shout out to Antonio Junior as well La Ree's son. Okay, Tonio, that's my boy, my guy Junior. Um, So you know working over there. Um, that was my perspective. I was like, we ship, the only way I'm gonna be able to get on this album is I'm gonna have to do something really different and I'm gonna do something that's completely far to the left, or they ain't gonna fuck with it, you know what I'm saying. So I, um, I wanted

I wanted some of those little John beats. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna do one of Michael Jackson song. I'm I'm gonna create a Michael Jackson record on a on a little John beat. And cast thought I was crazy, you know what I'm saying. It was just like, um, they all they all thought that. I don't know if they was hating or what, but they all thought that was talking as if my records were just like it was just it just wasn't good because they didn't sound

like theirs, and I thought that shit was amazing. Or they might didn't want you to get through the door. Yeah, if you do listen to The Confession's album, that's the only song that sticks out, you know. And I had like this style of like you know, I had like a I have an unorthodox style of writing songs, you

know what I mean. It's like it's like I really I really try to do things creatively to a point where, um, it makes you it it's so uh it makes it makes the consumer love it from not just a melodic perspective, but a style, right, And so I always create songs that have a style that that's sort of like that. I knew it not only was a good song, but it made the artists look cool. It made him feel cool.

Like if you think about like Chris Brown's running or give Me That or Ain't No Way or wall to wall, Um, those are all that's That's like, that's like Chris's signature. Female Like that's still Chris today. You know what I'm saying, He's still that he uh says the words and and does the runs and stuff. I know what you're saying.

I'm saying, there were you there with Usher with Chris Brown. Yeah, that's another thing that's a part of my gift is like I'm really really good at producing vocals and creating there with the artists. Yeah, like like we did like we did be there in like two and a half weeks the whole album. You know what I'm saying on that album, um, ring the Alarm Upgrade, you M Get Me Body green Light with Pharrell, Um, that was a

dope album. Um, how was it working with her? Like, I know she likes to write a lot of her stuff. Did did you write it in she assisted or changed words in the booth? Or how does that work with Beyonce at the time? M Beyonce's Beyonce's like, well, first of all, everybody knows she's really really private, right, and so she don't really like people like knowing her business. But to be very honest, like, she's like one of the one of my favorite people to work with because

she's extremely smart. Right. Um, I don't know if y'all got a chance to listen to a knife wonder kind of explained the story on like when I was doing Recause like girl or is she the reason why the first record I did for the Girls it was definitely child is? Um? Is she the reason girl? T shirt? I'm Through with Love? Why are you going? You know?

Soldier lose my breath? Bee was like at that time, she was like she wanted the best right and so she would just you know, she had these rooms set up at Sony and she would give us all like it was only like God rest his soul. But Lashan Daniels and Rottney that was one team. It was me and I was actually working with um My Man Swiss Swiss Beach, and I was also working with Pharrell, and then I was working with I think I brought in

a couple of other tracks as well. But a lot of times Bee let me do, she let me do when I got around her, I was trying to give

her the craziest shit possible. So I would come with ideas shit before she wouldn't come to the studio a lot of times, you know what I mean, Because I was so excited to work with her, And that's why I feel like, you know, pound for pound today, I'm still one of the best songwriter producers for Beyonce period because I feel like she and I really work well together, Like in reference to like communicating, like she'll just say hey, She'll say, Sean, I'm feeling this way today, or I

want to do this, or i want to do that. I'll take that perspective and go make a record and come take it back and then like you just leave her with it and then she does her thing or are you in there vocal coaching her or anything like that, or does she just she takes the demos and then the reference and then go do her thing. And that's time, like I would do a demo, like anytimes I do records, I'll do the demo, you know what I'm saying. And so then she'll, oh, I might just do the chorus

and then finish the song up. You know what I'm saying. She might cut the chorus and see how she feels about it. And a lot of times it was just we was it just every song was just going crazy, you know what I'm saying. And it was like I would make this, I would create the ship like right there in front of her to the point where she would love it, and she would cut you know what I'm saying. And it's just it was. And she was

then going in another room. So she so she like five rooms going so I think at the time also there was um uh she was Solange was there, her cousin, um Angie was there, or Bay. So these are production rooms, studio studio studios. They'll runt out of studio and they're having different separate um separate, separate studio rooms. They would have like a group of people working in one room, like maybe me a songwriter, producer, and and a tract producer.

Yeah it's the same. Yeah, it's the same thing. They've been doing the same thing for years because most people don't know that there's other writers as well. Yeah, there will be other people in the in the rooms and it'll be it. That's why it's so competitive, you know what I'm saying, and say this song sucks, We're about

to go Sean Gear. Yeah, like a lot of times, and that's where some of the that's where some of the um I guess some of the um hate comes from sometimes because at the end of the day, it's not like I'm in there dissing or or hating on somebody. It's just like, shit, they're gonna go with the best song her record, you know what I mean? Now, Yeah,

you know what I mean. So it wasn't like like like you know, like anybody that know me and shit, like I'm just I'm a real nigga, Like I'm like, I'm cool, Like I don't I don't really got no problems with nobody, you know what I'm saying, unless there's a problem, and then there's a problem. I have a question recording and at the end of the day, before we get off of the songwriter thing, it's about it's

about who gets the most on the record right on. Yeah, it's like, well it's it's really about the songs, you know what I'm saying. At the end of the day, that's that's the part that's today. I feel like people compromise and they end up having to pay for it later. Like it's like, you need the best fucking song to sell your product. But that's why she has so many people around her so she can pick from the best.

That's hard too, you know what I'm saying, because it's like you can have a lot of people in the room. Like I never like to work. I never liked to work like that because for me, it's like I'm more so paying attention to what whomever it is that's driving. If Beyonce's driving, I'm paying attention to what Beyonce. He's

talking about her process. Yeah, I ain't got shit to do with I'm not focused on anything else because anything else is gonna take me off of what I came to do, you know what I'm saying, And I'm focused on where she's where she's coming from and and and being it's it's about you being smart enough to understand how to take this ship to the next level. Understanding the job. Yeah, she's the job and you're gonna work

according to her process. So it's like the way they're doing it now, it's crazy, like they be having like six seven eight people writing on a song. That shit is crazy. And a lot of these songs that's coming out of y'all can tell like the songs ain't really crazy. I've been music is not as good as because yeah,

because it's all over the place. But to your point, though, and I do miss how the old process were, where it's like a Jimmy Jammt Terry Lewis spending time with their talent, a Janet Jackson getting to know her and then create something for her, like a whole sound for her. Yeah, and um, you know, I feel like that's missing. How important is it for the artist to have the right producer? Important?

Like it's important. You got to think about it like this, right, Like I look at the consumer, like I really respect the consumer. I like that's the end goal. It's almost like like Nike selling sneakers, Nike packages, their shoes properly. It's the box, it's the paper, it's the way the shoe look, it's the color. It's everything, right, that's the

presentation is everything. The product is everything. So the fans at the end of the day, UM, that to me, I feel like that's the reason why you know, people will pay for your ticket when your music is incredible, Like the reason why Taylor Swift sells out the way she does because her music, her fans already know she's going to deliver an incredible project, right, And that consistency, that's a problem with us because when you're in assistant,

what does consumer thing? Shit? Last time I went to go buy this damn last time I went to the grocery store over at the Walmart, the damn the meat was spoiled. But why is that though? Why why does why does um with the you know, with our side of the music business. Um, I look at like the country singers and stuff like that, they always have the same producers, like Corners Bro. It's like, you know, it's you know, it's that's it's us, you know what I mean?

Like we always think we can get shit cheaper. We always think we can you know, what I mean. Uh, you know, it's like Gibson was talking about, it's like you think you can, like you really think the people that really do this shit, they really are amazing at it. Like I really do this music shit. You know what I'm saying. And I'm very thorough about it. You know what I'm saying. And I'm gonna do amazing songs no matter what. I'm not just a songwriter. I'm a songwriter,

producer and singer and artist and creative. Who needs to call you back? Y'all know who need to call me back? You know? Nah? Man? Look, man, think about to call you back then, y'all hear who need to call you back? Hey? Man, y'all heard the new Glue? Man? You know what I mean? Like, Um, look, I'm just I'm just excited still about doing amazing music. Man. That new Usher song? Is that new Usher song is crazy?

Is it? It's called Glue? You heard it? Yeah? I know what you're talking about now, But just for the audience, Yeah, okay, you're good. Questions in the comments, boy, but that song is great? Um, how was it working with Usher for this for Glue? I mean it was really amazing actually, because um, one Usher is like one of the hardest working UM artists. He gonna work his tail off, He's gonna he's gonna challenge yourself. I really wanted to challenge him on his vocals. Yeah, because he he's back in

that false subtle range is giving me Maxwell or something. Man. I thought. I thought, I was like, man, that sound like Prince. Yeah, Like I'm like, like, no, shout out to Prince Man, and like Prince is like unbelievable, Like it definitely is the inspiration of that spirit of him um DeAngelo Um. I just wanted to help Usher. Well one I got I got annoyed by the idea of UM and what this is one thing I don't really

like about our community. Man, It's like we're always putting each other down or we're never giving um our people man the respect that we deserve. Like you know in the country, in the country sectors or the pop world, you know, they always got the same respect for their for their for their artists, and they show it on stage. Artists think the producers and songwriters that help they bringing

them on stage. And for some reason it's like I don't know why we feel like we can't thank somebody like you can't thank the person that really bust they asked to help you shine. I always say the real the real stars of the songwriters and the producers. Yeah. Man, it's like I I but but don't get me wrong. Back to Usher. Usher works his ass off, Beyonce works her ass off, like so's Chris Brown works his ass off. You know he's wanted. I love him, man, I love

Chris too. Um. And it's like when it comes to working with each other, it's we're all using our talent to get to get to one place, and that is the scoreboard, that is to win, right or number ones, you know what I'm saying. And it's like it's a combination of us helping each other, using our talents in

different ways. Right to be creative, because sometimes it's like you know what, um, you know, uh, the ideas like when an artist does one cycle with an album, the next cycle is a completely different cycle, right, but you also still want to keep that level of uh, that level of greatness. You still want to keep that shit up there, you know what I'm saying. Speaking of that, and you go, like you just said, from how the

old album was to like the newer sound summer Walker Project. Um, what was your thoughts on the performance of that and the reception of the second album versus the first The first single was a little bit different, and that was on purpose, right because if now, if you look at we were trying to do, you see what scissors at now? Yeah, you see what's going on. Yeah, that's where I want

to get to. People don't understand, you know what I'm saying, Like we were trying to get Summer in that space of the world, right because she had already been you know, you got to keep involving, you know, the urban side. So we need we needed to cross, right, because if you don't cross, then you stay in the space and it becomes to it a lot of times you started to climb, you hit that ceiling, hit right, and so that was just expertise of trying to get her to

that level. But the problem is ready. Well I don't know if fans are ready, but sometimes it's the way you play it right. It's like like everything works in a law, Like the law of it is the star is the person that knows. That's why they a star. The star is giving the world what the world what the star wants to give the world. Right, and so the world has to wait and deservingly and respectfully allowing

the artists to roll out their project. Right. And so when you got if you put yourself in a position where you're allowing people to not even let you roll your shit out properly, then it makes you nervous. Give an example. Yeah, some some artists don't stand behind their music, right, they don't. If they they'll get nervous if they get some sort of uh, if it seems like like a bad comment, if it seems like people get bad comments

and stuff like that. You got to keep in mind, this whole comment thing, this whole idea of likes and dislike, has just came about in the last five years, right, So now we have allowed ourselves to lose our strength and being confident in our decisions of what we're putting out there, right, And so now it's causing it's causing artists to not necessarily have the strength that they have before,

because it's like they're hesitating. You're hesitating, you're worried about somebody you know, commenting on some shit that ain't got shit to do it really what you're doing, right, And so the idea is just and nothing's perfect, man, nothing's easy. Um, it ain't always gonna be perfect, but you gotta, you know, you gotta. That's the whole point of us having each other, man and trying to trying to push forward, trying to

um elevate UM. And I love Summer and I had an amazing time working with her, and she was in and to be very honest, man, but people don't realize that she was pregnant the entire damnity, the entire time of recording her album, all the way up until the days she had her child. Oh wow, you know what I'm saying. So shout out to shout out to Summer. It was a dope album too. I really like that album. And you know in shouts the Summer man like Summers.

I'm just I'm just uh I really, I really enjoyed working with her, Like, well, you be on the next project because I know she's dropping an EP soon. Well this EP she do this EP she's putting out. That's her thing, like her relationship she got with her labels. Like when it comes to her albums, like everybody works on that, but but that's when it's her project, you know, her um, when it's her ep that's that summer thing, you know what I'm saying. So you don't have any

records on that. Nah. So she so she's writing on that and yeah, she summer got a pin like she she writes on all the shit I'm saying, But this particular thing, it's almost like her brain child, you know what. I'm just like personal for her. Yeah, it's a real personal So you know, respectfully, man, I think it's also important to let people get their shit out too. Yeah, and then when it's when it's time to get them

his they call you. Yeah. I mean I have a thanks bro, I have a niche, and my niche is just trying to do number one records man, like you know, and sometimes it's not, uh, my perspective is not necessarily Sometimes a hit record is not the most emotional record. Yeah, you know what I'm saying it. You know, some records are to build base, you understand, or stretch your your market out. Like yeah, I don't. Yeah, you know what

I'm saying. It's like you know, and and and and everybody doesn't really understand that, you know what I'm saying. To the point, if you know, so, I can't beat all things to everybody. And that's why I have to understand. It's like, Okay, if an artist is like I've given so much of myself to the world. I've given myself to the industry. I've given myself to all these artists, you know what I'm saying. What about yourself? Though? Uh? You know, have you reached the heights of success as

an art is that you want? Or have you done that yet? Nah? I think I think that's the beautiful thing about life, right. It's like, um, like I'm working on my album now and it's like, you know, I'm gonna tour like internationally and stuff like that. That's a good thing about like working on your own shit. It's like you can go and you can tour and you can do shows, you know what I'm saying, And you can. Um, being an artist is completely different than being a hit maker,

you know what I'm saying. And I can't lie sometimes. Um, I enjoy it so much. I enjoy giving of myself. I really do. Like some people don't some people really have a person? Is that hard though? Like when you got when you got a record that you're like, man, this is a hit record, and then you got us or somebody like, hey, man, come on, let me get that record. Yeah, I mean for me, man, Nah, you've

never done that before, Like I want to save it. Yeah, I've I've known that record at get this one away. This is mine. You know what's crazy, Like Mario's breakup was like that. My breakup was my record was huh yeah, yeah, so that wasn't your record, now that was my It was my record, but then I ended up because you're on the hook, but album, I'm on the whole record. Yeah, so I thought it was your record. But so what

happened was at the time Mario had Aum Mario's manager. Um, like Mario was in a place man where he really needed to hit something, and so it was like, you know, his manager was like, man, Sean, whatever, what do I gotta do to get I said, dam, I had already told you, bro, like I ain't played the ship for you for somebody else. Um, but anyway, um, you know again man, that's just me giving them myself. I was like, you know, I'll share this record with you. You know

what I'm saying. Um, that's dope, you know what I'm saying. So and that's the part sometimes that you know artists forget. It's like, man, I I did this for my heart. Yeah, I didn't have to do that. You know what I'm saying, Like I didn't have to. I have to share this with you, bro, like I purposely said, Yo, I'm gonna share this with you. I put my own money. I spent my own money at radio, you know what I'm saying to get it going. I remember it was on

radio everyone. Yeah, it was on radio crazy. The pds was like a couple of ps, like I don't know about this one, and I knew it was I knew it was crazy because I knew it was different. Speaking of smash record, it definitely blew up at the verses. Did you see the verses? I know you did. Did I see the Marian versus Mario? I love a Marian, but I knew Mario can eat with them vocals, but

I didn't think honestly, I thought like with O versus. Yeah, a lot of people was on Mario side because when I seen the verses, I said, man O, Mario got the records. He about the smoke Mario. And then when I watched it, I was like, I love a Marian, but I'm telling that Mario and you know what the great single about Mario Yo. It was funny because it was almost like I saw Mario setting him up, you know what I mean, he was sting at the end of everyone. He wouldn't go acapella and just sing him

under the table, you know what. He went back to his you know, the crazy shit. Mario went back to his um. He went back to his first album and um uh I love you. I would never yeah, like he got some songs or that, or he got U or he got uh he got braid my hair or I love that song. He has some but he killed him. He killed him with the vocals though. That's why I was like killed. I was like, but he was on his b more ship too because when he got the talking shit, Yeah, I was like, oh he had all

the licenses. We didn't. I just felt like we didn't expect that. I think a lot of I expected that from am Arion. I have to ask you a question. Though we've been talking, we've been talking about everything, guys, I Tavia BT asked you all these questions, you know, I want to ask you. We'll be right back with more of the baller alert y'all. Where the hell is the money at Let me explain where you're writing records for people? How do you know or how do you

bank on getting paid? Where do you get paid? How do you get paid? Because now you know, I'm you know, your normal person. Thing you didn't did usher? Yeah, you're a millionaire overnight. Yes. No, I'm gonna say this because it gets political, right, so I'm gonna have to be all shit, No, but I'm not gonna be political. But but the reason why I said it like that is because I'm on this platform that's the music business, and it's so many different ways. It's almost like trying to

explain to somebody how this building. Uh so, dumb it down. If you got a number one record, what does what does the money look like? All of these different people make money from the source, which is the song, right, and it becomes a situation of how that song is going to be divvied up in reference to how it makes money one, how it busts how do how do you bust the money down? From one song, two songs,

three songs, four songs, an album, a package? Right, And so those those different um, those different components really matter. So when people try to tell you to break the ship down or to hurry up and tell you. There's no hurry up way of telling you that, because because you'll come back later and be pissed that you miss something. And that's what's wrong. That's the tough part about our generation right now. It's like our generation don't communicate, We

don't like to talk. And that's the worst thing you can do because when you you get these were talking about Manny talking too much. Yeah, because I know a lot of shit. You know what I'm saying, and I know what to do, and I know what not to do, so I know what to ask for and I know what not to ask for. So when I come into a situation like number one, I'm a producer. I am

a producer first period. So you produced to be No. See, that's the misunderstanding producing producer does not make all the time. Producer puts the fu song together, create the song like that's so instantly. I'm already if I write the song, I've already owned fit center to copyright. That's what did he said? If I talk on a song is mine, I'll produced it. Yeah, I don't know, well I'm saying if I'm talking a song it's mine to politics, you know what I'm saying. So I see what's what's green?

Or one person is read to another, you know what I'm saying. Depending on your strength, your status, and your ability to hold your own, you know what I'm saying. So if I I was never I was never able to get like tossed around like that because I actually did the songs. You know what I'm saying, Like, you're not nobody, e't inna come and handle me like that like I did, Loving you no more for Diddy, loving you, you know what I mean? Um, and I love didd

He shout out to Diddy. Um. But everybody got their own, like the way Diddy came in the game it as a producer, but he produces the way he produces because he had the leverage to produce the way he produces. Just to give a little more context and to break it down in black and white for our audience, for you know, the song is one hundred percent, fifty percent goes to the songwriter, correct, and then fifty goes to the producer. Right, But here's a yeah, and then they

did that up on their ends. If you got well, sometimes people breaking sometimes people yeah, Well, sometimes that's kind of the same thing. Fifth percent as the writer side. Other fifty is the track side or the music side. The music side. Yeah, but to add to that, a person might come and do some drums, and then another person.

You might have another person that come and play keys, and then you might have another person that comes and and uh programs uh rhythm right, an arranger, you know what I mean, Like I arrange, our produce, I write. So it's different ways that it's broken down. Sometimes like in uh uh in the country music they um they break it down. On the pop side, they just break it down a third third, you know what I'm saying, Like,

we don't do it that way. We do it a little different, right, and sometimes it hurts the person who's actually doing most of the work, you know what I'm saying. So it depends. That's it depends like on who you're working with and how you want to work with them, right, And so if you don't know those different things, a lot of times what was happening is that people would come in and they would be working and they don't talk discuss no business. And that's how you come in.

That's how you have all of these split disputes, and so that's how people get sued for a record when someone says, you know, this person, what does that mean? When people you see all the time, when people say, well this person stole my record or you know they stole my beat, how does that happen? I give you

a prime example. Right, So, so I got I'm not gonna mention on names, but this is some This is the first my first lesson I learned in the music business that was that really pissed me off, and I ended up probably losing I don't know. That person ended up making over time from Yeah, probably like five million dollars. Right, So I had somebody to engineer my session, right, and that person was a songwriter. But that person didn't write

a fucking lick on this song on Yeah. But because that person was a songwriter, and at the time, the guys that the company wanted everyone to participate from the company because it made the company look bigger, they ended up convincing me because I was new, to give this person four percent of Yeah, what I'm saying. And I was fucking pissed later because I was like, y'all just sucked me over. When you learn you know what I'm saying, you learn, and so that was all I needed to

ever learn, and that was the reason why. So sometimes people tend to think like, oh, you know, well, this person is like um, like I've always had. Sometimes I get this stigma that I don't know why I got this stigma. It was like, like I was telling y'all before, it was like, I don't do not to go do

my job. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes people hate on you, but it's like, I don't know why y'all hating this shit because I don't I've never had a confrontation with somebody or or wouldn't stole something from someone that took some I've worked by my damn self, or I collaborate with a track I might work with Ninth One, that I may work with Swiss Beasts, i might work with Champ. I've worked with so many different people to help make so many different people money, you know what

I'm saying. In this business, that's why I get a lot of love, But at the same time, you're gonna get hate because success just breathes that right. But to simplify things, the reason why I've never been in no issues like that because I always do the ship by myself. Yeah. I was just about to say that that's probably why you don't like a bunch of people in the studio because when I try to collaborate, that's exactly right, bro. So it's like when you try to collaborate with people,

the ship gets messy and messy. So it's a hit kid Glow really happened though he knew about himself. Yeah, yeah, he do everything by myself. The money is on a number one record, a hot one hundred number one record. That's why when you ever you hear me say I got eighteen hot one hundred number ones. Anybody that knows what the hot one hundred chart at the chart? I want to be on what do you understand what that is? But if you don't know, you don't know. And a

lot of these kids is doing music. A lot of these people that's managing people. It's managers that don't understand what I'm saying. So on your new podcast that you have coming soon, but you be discussing more in depth of what you mean. Yeah, I will, I will. That's why you over here being political. Do you have a name for the podcast yet? Yeah? Um no, but I will I will be I will, I will be UM. I will be letting you guys know first what it is. Um, Yes,

for sure, And it's gonna be crazy. It's really gonna be crazy. I really love y'all show too, to be honest, and I'm not being political. I want to I want to be clear. I'm not being political. I'm just being correct and it and I said it is political, you know what I'm saying that the business is political. And you get yourself and shit that you know, you know how a lot of shit go viral when it shouldn't go viral. It's like, damn, I was just walking down

the street and some shit go viral. Well, today, you just have to be extra clear about the context and how you're speaking like that because it's so many different elements to the question. Right, It's not a it's not a one answer. It's not a one answer to that question because it's a loaded ass question, right, And I would love to be as informative as I can possibly be, But part of it has the change has to be from this new generation of people who are managing people

who are artists, who are producers, who are songwriters. That's why I'm gonna start doing these seminars. I'm definitely gonna do some informative seminars and to to help being with you. Yeah, and also man like, yeah, we're gonna get down, like you don't want to get a to that. Um, So how are you single? Have you do you have children? Yeah? I mean I don't like to, Yeph, but I don't really like to talk about that. I like to I like,

I got two boys. I really don't. I try to keep my personal life um as private as I can, only because to protect my family, you know what I mean, to protect my to protect my kids, you know what I'm saying, And to protect whoever I'm in a relationship with, you know what I mean. But now important is that for artists to protect their their family nowadays, especially with social media being so crazy, the way you enter something is the way you're gonna end up exciting, you know

what I'm saying. And so, to be very honest, like the music business, if that's how you're making your money, um, you gotta learn how to understand the details of it because the details has a lot also to do with like shit, to be very honest, it has a lot to do with how you how you get dealt with agree. You know what I'm saying, Like, people like leverages everything right, and a lot of times the leverage is what causes

you to take a loss on a deal, right. So so sometimes you know, it's like people don't like to communicating ship. So they might be like, man, this shit take it too long, or or damn, why is it taking so long to get the song done? Or why is it taking so long to have this conversation. It's like, because in the end, you're gonna want to know all the answers to this shit, and you're gonna want those answers.

Those answers that you're expecting to get, is the purpose of the conversation and the dialogue at the beginning, because if you already know how this process works, you already know that X plus O minus x equals whatever. You already know that. So if you're not taking your time to understand that from the beginning, you're gonna be pissed off. In the end, you're gonna be pissed and you're gonna blame someone. And that's what we do in our community.

You know what I'm saying, We're not taking the time to understand what this business is about, and it ain't trickery. It ain't no bullshit. If you if you know what you're doing, you know what I'm saying, and if you approach it from the right perspective, it ain't gonna be perfect. And you know, of course sometimes you're gonna you know, you are gonna get yourself in some shit. Um, But I can honestly say it comes with a lot. You know what I'm saying that it's come with a lot

when it comes to hit songs. That's my goal. My goal is to make hit records and it makes everybody money. Right, you're very pr train. That's that's what I realized. The relationship question, right, you get a grade job. You did it, okay, But I was gonna ask, what, wait, with all the issues that, like you said, the music industry has and people not paying attention, would you want your kids to be a part of it? I ain't got no choice.

There are and it's it's like you know the all you can, Yeah, I mean the hardest part is like like fighting with them, fighting with them to like my oldest like fighting with him to um, because you love him so much you want him to know the pitfalls first, like, you know, you might feel like I got all this shit happened to dad. I'm I'm lit like here, I'm my my numbers, is this my stylish this? I got this shit figured out. I got this figured out. Yeah,

you got that figured out. But you do not understand how to move yet. And the way you move has everything to do with where you end up being. And it's gonna be harder for him because of who his

dad is. And that's something that I feel like a lot of kids as parents are in the industry, they don't understand because they're like, Yo, my dad is this person and they're not helping me, and it's like, WHOA, I think your dad is probably trying to protect you because it's gonna be really hard, hard because of who your parents are. And if you get to a certain level of success as a kid, they're gonna say, well,

they only like that because it's dada. Sean geartt Well, let me say this right, So when you bring this on your kids, it comes on them like four or five, four or five, like four or five heavy ass waves more than it comes on you. Because I was just myself. You know what I'm saying. No one knew who I was. But for your kids, that shit makes it because the first generation was the first generation of the it's the same.

And that's such a good point. When you first generation, you're really taking all the bullets, so you can help them not take the bullets because you're hoping that they can take the bullets. But they ain't gonna be able to take the bullets. They can't take the bullets that we took, right because you know, it's almost like adrenaline, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I ended up making it out of that situation because I had

the adrenal just because of mine. Why can't they Is it because you gave them a certain life that you didn't have it so where that they didn't have to feel like to be prepared like that to take the bullets. No, it's not even a life. It's what comes with it. It's not the life. It's like you know, it's like like I wouldn't want my son to have to deal

with Like it's it's really tricky. It's really tricky, like when you talk about hate, right, you know what I'm saying, Like when you look by the time, by the time I was um by the time I had like my ten, I had ten number ones, Like they didn't even know. My face looked like you know what I'm saying. There was people like there was people telling me like, yo, y'all know, y'all man is Sean Garrett. And I would be like word and I'll be talking to the person.

Wait wait so you said you said people would say I managed Sean Garrett and as a selling point and you're bro I was so high. I mean if you really think about it, like like we ran the game man, Like like I ran the game for like a good ten years, ten to twelve years, like hands down, like at least five number one one is a year. But would they know who your son is? Hell? Yeah, Like it's heavy on your children one. Trying to explain shit to your children, uh from your logical perspective, and there's

it's like completely like night and day. And because me and my son are so close in age. Um, it's like you may think that you're talking to them on their level, or you may think that you're talking to them on the same level, but you're not talking to them on the same level because they're emotional. Right. It's like my son, these kids are emotional as hell. So they don't like the word no. They don't like they

want it now. They want to do easy to them because because their dad's yeah, because you took the bullets, like the ship exactly, it's like I could do this shit already, got thirty number one. Yeah, and and the ship that they got in a DNA like he got it, like he got it. Yes, he got it. He got everything, you know what I'm saying. Everything, But but why won't you just give it to him? Because some people believe no,

I'm giving it to him. But it's just like you still want to you want to be cautious with your children, like you got kids, okay, so when you have me, yeah, oh really worry enough for everybody, all right, the way you know, But like kids, it's just like it changes you.

You know, when somebody have a child for the first time and you talk to him like a couple, like a couple months later or a year later, two years later, you'd be like, damn, y'all, you're a change because it's it's it's that's a feeling that you can't like your child is your everything, you know what I'm saying. And it's just like certain things you just don't play with it, you know what I'm saying, Like I don't play with my kids. You know what I'm saying, I don't play

about my kids. I don't play about I don't play about life period. So a lot of times, just like people used to be like damn, you know Sean Garbb, be so serious, like hell yeah, shit, because this is life and death. I always looked at it though that way, though, right, I always looked at it like when I go in the studio, Shit, this might be this record could change the world. I really did look at it like that. I really did think that, yeah, it was going to

change the world. I really did think that. I really did think that we were going to change the world with Chris Brown. Like I really thought that, and it really happened, you know what I'm saying. Working with Beyonce, Like think about it now, Like if I never work with Beyonce again in my life, wow, I'm like, it's happened, you know what I'm saying, Like she's the biggest superstar in the world. I would have never thought at that time.

I mean I knew she was Beyonce, but I'm like, where you start struck when you first started working with him? Hell yeah, like yeah, like I worked with Destity's Shout first, but yeah, man, like it was I was nervous as hell, Like is she the reason was the first song? Because I was scared. I was kind of like I knew that I knew that that was a comfort zone, you know what I'm saying, like shout out the knife wonder unfe wonder beast. Yeah. I don't know if y'all saw

what he just posted, but what do you say? It's crazy like he he just explained like when we first met, understanding he explained we first met and how serious I was, you know, like I had my damn briefcase handcuffed in my hand to my hand like I was just serious about this ship, bro. And it was like I was saying, by the time they by the time I had like ten number ones, they didn't really know my face looked like because I didn't really I didn't want them to.

I didn't care about people knowing who I was. I was an artist too. I was an artist too, but I didn't really care about that. What It's almost like it's two that's two different cakes. You know what I'm saying, like when I'm in when I'm in Superman hit hit making mode, that's completely different than Superman as an artist, and sometimes I really enjoy it to the point over here that I spent a lot of time doing it

where I just didn't get back to this artist. Yeah, I mean, I mean I've had some hit songs Clark Camp better than being Superman. Have you read where you wanted to be it? Because like you said, you'd like to be the songwriter more and so you cater to that more and being great and your artistry kind of took a hit being in the fortune take a hit, though.

It's like it's like if there's no way I could have took a hit, because if I was just working on me as an artist, that means I would have been putting out maybe five songs a year versus twenty, or having ten number ones in one year versus one. Like that was the math that I was using, you know what I'm saying, and it really never was. It's like Sean Garrett to Sean Garrett, you know what I'm saying. And it's also like you gotta let your you gotta

let life come to you. Like sometimes you could drive your car completely off the off the rail if you if you're not patient with God and letting and allow God to just like deal with you accordingly. You know what I'm saying. It's like I can't I can't try to be everything. I can't be all things to everybody. I just gotta pace myself in and allow myself to let God bring it to you. You know what I'm saying.

Sometimes you gotta just like I get into my own girl, because like sometimes I like to just be at home and I just like to just be at home. What you're doing, you got such a such I'm like, I'm just at I'm just chilling, Like I just like to listen to the world. I like to see what's going on. I like to let God talk to me. I like to just, like what you mean, like be at home alone and yeah, She's like, weren't you here with me? Yeah? Like sometimes it's like I don't. I just like to chill,

you know what I mean? Because that piece I need that piece sometimes Gendi Nah. I mean nah, a person can't give you what God gives you for me, you know what I'm saying. She gives me peace when I'm in that piece type of peace mine. She gives me that, she gives me a certain type of piece, but only God gives me that's spiritual piece that I need sometime for myself. You know what I'm saying, Because you gotta because if I'm not balanced, man, that I can't give you.

I can't give I can't give nothing of myself. Right, Sometimes you gotta step away, you know, have a mental break. How long does that last though? Is it like months or week or day? I mean, it ain't like no three three months abatical and no ship like that. It's just it's just, um, it's just sometimes you know, you might you might need a day or two, you know what I'm saying, just to just enjoy your enjoy your enjoy your peace and weigh things out right, because it's

like it's so much going on in the world. You know, it's so much going on with um money, like the money, like like our currency, like it's some real shit going on. You know what I'm saying. With our currency, what's it's gonna go dig you or you know you got Russia and uh shoot, China, China and people in India. You know what I'm saying, Trying to create a whole other currency. So you know, for me, shit like that matters, you

know what I'm saying. I'm just I'm just one of those people sometimes und need a little piece, of course we all do. And to like offer, you know what I'm saying, Like to offer something, you got to build within. It's almost like you gotta get your energy back sometimes you got to recharge said all the time. I'm that was my whole point about. You know, keep going back

to you as an artist. You know, you have been a servant to your industry for so long, you know, you know, sometimes it's okay to be selfish if that's what you want, like as far as to be an

artist and to be as big as you want to be. Yeah, I'm definitely getting more to that place of being selfish with myself myself from an artist's perspective, Like that's coming for sure, right, But that's such an such a mindset, you know, I mean, that artist's mindset is like like I think Future probably said it best, Like when you think about Future the way he explains the way he explains himself in his life, it really makes sense for the artist's future, you know what I mean, Like every

every aspect of it, would y'all agree? Guys? What does he say? So it's like, you know when when you talk about future, like when future talks about he had to be selfish at times, he had to be um even though his relationships on like how serious he took it or how it comes across. It could have came across to some people as if you know some sometimes he don't care something, but he has to focus. You have to. You have to really give yourself. You gotta

be selfish with yourself. The industry is always going to be a number one girl in some type of capacity. Yeah, it breaks you down like this shit. It really the industry will break you all the way down because you know, when you think about it, if you're already dealing with shit like this's been on the internet along, it's too much. I think it's just too much. You got the answer

to people you don't know. You don't really you think you're not answering to them, but you you definitely you answering in some way because you see that shit it's over on a certain to a certain extent. After seeing shit happened or seeing shit said so many times, it

affects you. Yeah, like celebrities always talk about like how comments don't affect them, and I'm like, yes, yes, yes it dude, because if you got the time to respond to a negative comment that a fan said, and you got a thousand other comments, it's positive that you could respond to. Then the comments. You know, I feel like slaves are I mean celebrities are slaves. So you know the Internet at this point you are, man, you were

slaves to success? Yeah, you slave to the success. It's almost like man, you know you think to yourself, you like, damn like what you were saying. It's like, Sean, do I feel like you ask me do I feel like, um, I was slighted as an artist? I don't feel slighted. But to be very honest, it's only twenty four hours in a day. Sometimes it takes me twenty. But you

feel under appreciated. I do. Sometimes I ain't gonna lie like like if there's nothing, if there hasn't been, if there has been anything, I feel like that's the part that, Like, to be honest, that shit really fucks with you sometimes. It's like when people don't appreciate your hard work or your or your your talent, your gift, you know what I'm saying that ship at some point it does fuck with you. But we appreciate you here on the Ball

Alert Show, and I appreciate you. Just learning more about you, you know, makes my appreciation grow even more. And um, what you were saying about, you know, how you took a different route on purpose and did things differently and ended up, you know, that becoming your signature and you becoming really really successful at it. On another level, that hits from me too, because I don't know if you remember. You probably don't, but um, I think it was like

early twenty maybe eleven twelve. I did a DAT tape and with Greg with Greg Street, and he hosted or whatever, and then he wanted to make this whole big deal about it, so we did it on his radio show and you actually called in and you were, you know, giving me my props and all that stuff. Remember that. I remember that. I really do remember that. That's crazy. That was you. Yeah, all right, listen. Life is crazy, right, Life is one big circle, it is. But you know what,

they never appreciated Michael Jackson. They never appreciated Prince. People don't appreciate any of the grades that we have in front of us until it's too late. I really appreciate, UM, I really appreciate these times. UM. You know, growing up, growing up UM with a lot of you guys, UM, I didn't get a chance to, like I think, to get to to get back to you what you said. I was working so much that I didn't really the

human side of me. I lost the human side of me at some time, at some points because I couldn't, UM, I couldn't focus on being a human. I had to focus on being a machine. UM. And now I'm I'm spending a little bit more time being a human and having a time to be appreciated and having uh time to actually process um, real conversations and love and appreciation and UM. Because it's really tough sometimes, you know what I'm saying, Like it's you know, I'm really, I'm really,

I'm really passionate. You know what I'm saying. I'm very passionate. And you know, sometimes it has been times that, like you know, you don't always like it when the wrong perception of you is out there. You know what I'm saying. It's like you can't be out there that long without somebody having an issue or somebody not liking some shit.

You know what I'm saying. It's like and you really just been trying to just do your best and be your best and give everything you got and that ship gets to a point where it weighs on you, you know what I'm saying. But but at the end as a whole, you know, I'm very appreciative, um for being out here and and the love I've I've I've received over It's been a great life. Like it's been a great it's been a great time. You gotta come back on the show, brother. Yeah, yeah, we got up upset

shit man. UM, trying to finish up this this Usher album. UM, and thank y'all man, And UM, I want to say thank y'all to everybody who's been really receptive to the new single Glue for usure. UM working on my album for sure, I want to do the international tour. UM. I mean sometimes I never I never really appreciate it. I mean I never even realized so many people appreciated my my work as an artist. UM, you know what I mean, a lot of interviews I've been having it's like, Yo,

where is your shit at? Like, and UM, I really felt like I didn't really think people appreciated it that much. Said that it's hard man. You know what I meant. Number one, they want to let me get so. I got so used to people being selfish, and I never was selfish. I will say this, you know last thing. Um, it's important to um let people know that you love them. You know what I'm saying, Because it's it's shit. It's

a challenge. It's a challenge, uh every day and and um, just like you said, you know, I didn't know that that was That's so crazy. I didn't know that that was you. And that was ten years or damn there eight years ago, right and now look look at you. You know what I'm saying. That's the one thing I really appreciate to about life. It's like seeing people grow and being able to have conversations later about it. You

know what I mean. You might have never known where a person was going through or what a person was really trying to do with their life. You know what

I'm saying. So well, thank you agatting Sean Garrett. Before we get out of here, if you gotta have a pep talk, my name is mister Sean Garrett aka to Pen the pep Talk for me today is just basically definitely stand on your positivity, maintaining your mental stability, not allowing anything or anybody to talk you out of your peace, I think is a very important part of life, no

matter what your profession is. The other part, I would say, if you're in the music business and you definitely want to be successful, learn as much as you possibly can about every aspect of the business, and not just in the music business, but that's in life. Yeah. Motivating, Motivating yourself is motivating the world because if whatever you give it, if you're given that positive energy back out to the world, it's going to come back to you. Peace and love.

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