Music. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Back Story Podcast. I'm honored to be with you here today. Today as as part of what we've been doing lately, has been interviewing people who've been doing the work, who've I've been out there in the trenches doing the work in a lot of different ways. And one of these people is somebody I'm very proud to have known for quite a few years. Andy Santo Pietro has been doing the work in so many different ways. It's absolutely incredible.
And I wanted to bring him on here today and kind of let him tell a little bit his story and what's going on with with Andy. Andy, welcome. Hi, welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Glad you're here with us today. So you, you do quite a bit of work. Tell me, tell me a little bit about. Well, I, I, for instance, I know the book you've, you've written an incredible book. What is about a year and a half ago? Yeah, about a year and a half ago. Incredible book about the 5D human, the new 5D human.
Really interesting the way you put things in the way that you conceive things about it. And of course, it ties in a lot with what the group's been talking about the 5th dimension. They, we kind of backed off about talking about the 5th dimension a little bit because they're frustrated.
They say you guys have been in the 5th dimension for a long time and you're still using third dimensional rules, you know, so, so anyway, it's, I'm, I'm very thrilled to see somebody pick up the ball and really, really do some descriptive work about the 5th dimension, how things are different, how things apply differently and so forth. So how'd you get started with that?
Tell me well. My mentor, you, I mean, it's your fault I started following your your newsletters early 2000 and you know, it's been a romance. I've been I grabbed onto your coattails since early 2000. We're in almost 25 years of this and you really initially brought my work to such a different level because you expanded my
consciousness. And no, I didn't know that's the direction I was going to go. And even though I was in the world of spirituality and spiritual healing, and mainly my first two books before we connected was on Feng shui design and the spirituality of Feng shui. So when you came along and you started discussing some of the 5D, you know, concepts, it, it, it opened up what I was doing to a whole new level and I started looking at my work and my
purpose here. You know, not only my work, but my, my individual purpose here on a dimensional level. I think that was the big shift for me that I was expanding, but I was, I was playing on the same game board, you know, and I was moving the chess pieces around. And as I became more and more exposed to the dimension and truly with you and Barbara leading the way with that it, I realized, oh boy, I think I have jumped to another game board and it's a brand new game.
And I had no idea how to play this, this game of Earth Chess. Earth chess, I love that. You know, I like, well, what is this? So at the first I was very excited about it and then I was extremely stressed about it. And I'm still stressed about it because I'm part of, you know, my humanness here. There's. Nothing, you know, there's nothing here, nothing close.
And in my opinion you've really presented us if there was ever such a handbook in piece meal, you've been feeding that to us little by little in ways that we can actually absorb it. And with with that, it sort of launched me head on into 5th dimensional work and helping people with the ascension of being 1/5 a 5D person living in a 3D World. That is the umbrella that all my counseling and books and classes fall under. So tell me a little bit about that. You do counseling, you do.
Do you do regular counseling where you see people or is it online? How does it? How does it work for you? At this point it's on, it's online. My background is as a social worker, so my degrees are in therapy and social work, and I have an undergraduate degree in special education. So I already started off doing therapy work or in the realm of
therapy. And very early in the 80s, I was introduced to the chakra energy system and I got very involved in the psychology of the chakras and I started putting together my therapy work with my chakra work and I called it chakracology. And perfect. That was my private practice for most of 1015 years. People came and I was expanding on the psychology of who they are and looking at who they were, spiritual beings and
energetic beings. And then Feng shui came into my life and it expanded even further because I started looking at how the energy of the environmental 1's home interplays with that human, you know, living in that space. And, and then that's where a couple of my books came and then you showed up and I was like, huh, I just exhaled. Now I have, I thought I was going to be doing just this for the rest of my, you know, career.
And then good old Steve comes along and drops this 5D bomb and, and, and off to the races I went and you know, here we are and that's I, I realized that we have a lot of people and I, and you probably agree with this. Who and the group sound? Based on what you said, the group was probably nodding their head. We've already evolved. We are in 5D. It's official, you know. Oh yeah. But most of us hasn't.
We haven't woken up to the fact we're there, you know, We're still sleepwalking through our 3D life and acting as if that shift hasn't happened. And that all has to do with not denying it or not wanting to be a 5D individual, but it has to do with that shift in that bump in consciousness, True. And then all that comes with it. Because it's not an easy ride to wake up. No, it isn't. No, it means being more vulnerable.
It means it means a lot of things that people are very hesitant to do. We feel we built our safe little worlds, our safe little environment here in the third dimensional area. And then the 5th dimension comes along. Everybody's in the 5th dimension, but we keep using these third dimensional rules and ideas and so forth to be able to do that. And we're, we're changing. I don't want to say we're not.
We're, we're evolving very well. And, and largely thanks to people like you who write books about it, who take this in energy in several areas or, and to be clear, Barb and I and the group did not originate the idea of 5th dimension that's been talked about for quite some time. But the actual countdown to it and the actual energy around it was very magical, absolutely magical. So you did, you did counseling for a while. You moved into the counseling. When did you write the first
book? My first book was written in 971997 and the second book was in 20, 2004. It came out, I actually wrote it in 2002, but it got published finally in in 2004. And that was overlapping.
That was overlapping my time. And yeah, no, maybe you, it's fair to say you didn't coin 5D. But I think the difference, if I may, about your work and your timing of your work, I'm going to correct you a little bit, is that 5D, as you said, have been spoken about for eons, you know, and a lot of people, I take that back, many souls on the planet were living a 5D life.
But the 2000 era where you sort of came into your work and your delivery of your path and this mission, what was different about that is that the collective was moving towards 5D chunks of the collective, not individuals who were highly evolved on the planet and already ahead of the game.
So, and, and it was, you know, I remember, and I still do with a lot of your talks in classes, which I take is that I was going from newsletter to newsletter waiting for the day that you release the next newsletter because we were all on pins and needles knowing something massive was happening. And it was not only wonderful, it was scary.
And it still is because I think, you know, when you were, when you were addressing, hey, you know, why are we still doing a 3D dance when we have this expanded, you know, this, this whole, you know, orchestra 5D, beautiful skills, new stuff. And in my opinion, I think people underestimate 3 DI think out of the three dimensions that the majority of us are moving in and out of. And that's just my definition of multi dimensionality here on the planet.
I don't I, I know we're in 5D, but we as humans, every second of the day bounce in three 4th and 5th dimension. We move in and out of those those dimensions all the time. That's multidimensionality. That's what's more challenging if we would just up in 5D and that was the only dimension. And that's what we were born into. And that's what will die in our kids in the next generation or, you know, however the earth is going to be around. We would be treating it like we the whole hum of 3D.
The reason why 3D became so familiar to us is because the IT was the longest existing dimension of all the dimensions. So 3D happens to be the most limiting and oppressive, but it and, and, but it's the dimension that was the easiest to navigate because if you liked it or not, you knew your place, you knew your gender, you know what was expected of you as a woman, as a man. I'm not promoting that or saying I'm so glad we grew from that. But even if you didn't like it,
the guardrails were there. That's. True. And you had to live within it. But what the the most tumultuous, in my opinion, dimension on the planet now is 4D4D is not spoken of enough, but it's really the dimension that's running circles around us. It's the shortest stay, but it does the biggest upheaval towards change, yes. Well, it has to be, has to be there. We won't be able to move exactly.
We have to have to go through it to get the imprints of the 4th dimension to live firmly in the 5th dimension. So yeah, absolutely, it's all, it's all part of it. And the third dimension, like you said to, to me anyway. And from what the group has shared with me, what's part of
the challenges? We built so much for so long in the third dimension, Even all of our systems, which the group says we're starting to have some challenges with our banking systems, our communication systems, everything that we built originally was built, yeah, there was built in the third dimension. And now we're starting to open up and the technology is moving very quickly because of it. So yeah. No, I, I, I agree with that.
And I think that's why it's so important what I'm seeing in my, my work and my practice and with my friends and my, myself. You know, I'm not above this by all means. You know, they say you teach what you need to learn. So I. Hate that, right? You know, but that's true. For me it is true. No, it's absolutely true. It's keeping me grounded, you know, every day I need this every day.
That's why they stuck me in the front of the line with this, because they're like, oh, I'm going to be a handful if I, if I fall behind, you know. But my, my, my feeling is that what has happened, like any other concept, you know, and you can take this from technology, medicine, you can take it down to typing, you know, if you don't know how to do it, it's scary, right? And if you don't understand the mechanisms on how to learn it, then you feel impotent.
You feel like you're falling behind. You feel like you lost your mojo. And what I have found with a lot of my clients and, and even some of the journey that I was on is out of that confusion of the actual sort of the advancement consciously that that we move towards going into 5D. It left us so disarmed and not even knowing what happened that you that many people start internalizing it where the confusion lowers their self
worth, their self esteem. I'm probably not good at what I do, God forgot about me, and a lot of great people who are involved are getting caught in the undertow of how they internalize the not understanding of the transition. That, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. That's what the group calls the bodysuit. Basically, the avatar is basically who we think we are.
We do that. That part has to change a lot in order for us to really anchor some of the new attributes of of all the dimensions that we're in right now. Because it is a scary time. And that's why I think we, I think it's part of the reason we're seeing so much incredible division on the planet is because people have feel the change naturally, people resist change. They want to go back to the good old days, even though the good old days weren't really that good.
They, you know, we have, we always have our memories about putting our, our good memories in the back and, and, and projecting toward the future. So it's, it's kind of an interesting process that we play with it. That's amazing. So tell me about, tell me about the rest of your work. You do sessions, you also do you also do classes? Do you not? Do you? Do you teach classes?
Yeah, I do. I do regular series of classes and actually the last, the last year we focused on the spirituality of money, which was really, it was an amazing process to go through. And I on purpose use the word money. Yeah. And I'll, and I'll tell you why, because we tend to trip over our spiritual feet, right? We use prosperity abundance, but I don't know. About you. In my house, my father never used that word when he was
talking about being short. You know, my father didn't go, hey, we're a little short on abundance. This. Week you're. Not going to that movie, kid. My father was like, hey, I don't have the money this week. You're not an Italian father, you know? And money carries the thought form. So we become these spiritual beings and we start talking around the thing that we're most confused about and we learned it as the word money. And then we go, you know, I have to learn how to be prosperous
and spiritual. And our subconscious mind, like we have no judgment about those two words. We have judgment about the MONEY word because that's what our culture and our society use. So on purpose, I over exaggerate and work with how do you feel about money? What's your relationship with money? And what are the thought forms attached to money?
And how can we work on transmuting them and creating a safe space where that part of your brain that feels panicked around it can actually go back to calling it money so we can understand what's really going on under the hood. So, you know, that's, that's a lot of my work in helping people, not telling them what to think, but teaching them how to think differently. Give them the ideas, plant the seeds and put them in fertile ground and they'll grow.
Absolutely. That's that's the magic of it all. So that's incredible. Do you do in person seminars as well? Yes, I did COVID kind of, you know, like I'm sure you understand, just hijacked life as we knew it. But during COVID is when I wrote this book, so I had no intentions of writing a third book. And I have a whole chapter in the book, in the 5D human book about COVID and the bigger picture of why it was here.
And it was actually part, you know, as you've said and and group has discussed, it's actually part of our ascension period. I, I feel like, you know, when I, I know there's nothing funny about COVID, so I don't want to come across as insensitive, but I always saw the bigger picture of it as the universe saying I'm giving the whole world time out. You guys don't know how to play with one another. Your whole, you know, economy systems are out of control,
right? The the, the feminine and masculine aspects and everybody get in your house. Nobody's going out to play for a. Month. That's a great way to. From. School. That's a great way to put it, though. I love the I love the overview that you have on pretty much everything. You you see the larger picture to it. It's really kind of neat. Wonderful to see that way. We were just totally out of control. The universe didn't know what to do. With us.
Totally agree with you. Everybody said that's it until we get this right. You know, and everything's changed. I mean, even the technology has evolved in different ways. We've learned to communicate in different ways. Even though COVID is in the background, it's still here with us. But it's not not killing people the way it used to and all the rest of it. And of course, we had all the conspiracy theories that surface around it and so forth. But the reality is, we dealt pretty.
Good with that we we integrated that piece, which was very difficult to do, but it also helped us change our physical bodies. So you know, some of the evolution that we've gone through with that is it it did serve a higher purpose. So that's amazing. So you, you're, you're doing all of it. Basically you're you're doing in person seminars, you're doing online, you're doing the coaching awesome work and you're an author. I just I'm so proud of you, Andy. It's just.
Thank you for that, you know, and. Thank you for being. Such an incredible mentor to me. For decades, you know you've, you've been the voice in the back of my head, your teachings, the group. Barbara and everything that you've brought forward and I, it's my humble, you know, it's mine to own. I I am very grateful. When, if I remember right, I think the last time we were together was in Sedona, we had.
In Sedona, yeah. We had a we had a seminar in Sedona that you came to see and we we were able to connect you with some other people. It's very magical. That was, they always are, but you know, they just keep getting better. So the last one was better than the one before and the one before. So yeah, that was very special. And yeah. And, and I think with COVID, I just want to touch on this because it is a background, you know, my feeling is especially
my work is around the shadow. And that's a lot of what the book is. And shadow not in the pejorative sense, it being bad or negative, but it's the unknown, the unconscious. And we not only personally have shadow, the dimensions have shadow. And as we were leaving 3D and going in, you know, to 4th dimension and then into 5th dimension.
What got kicked up not for chaos but for transmutation as the remaining shadow of thought form around all the things you name that were three, you know, 3D related. So when COVID came along for the first time across the universe, and This is why it's never happened before, is that for the first time across the universe, everybody was scared together. Everybody was able in their own way. It might have been finances or health or what's going to happen next. But for the first time, it got
neutralized. That fear wasn't something humans should be ashamed of or humiliated by. And the fear came up and it it united us in a collective emotion that was very based in 3D teachings because of opposites and duality. So it acted, the virus inadvertently acted as a poultice and it pulled up the fear in a massive sweep across the planet, which is enabling us to be steady our rudders much more in 5D.
Because you don't have fear in 5G, what you do have is remaining fear that we are transmuting through. But 5D consciousness is not based on opposites, it's based on triality. There's no duality in it. That's correct. That is, that is exactly it. That's it. That's an important point. Yes. We actually, when we look back at COVID, I think we're going to see that we gained more than we
lost. The group actually predicted almost a year in advance that there would be coming a time fairly soon where we would be losing a lot of people. And it wasn't, it wasn't a bad thing either. They basically said there's certain people that want to go home before the next wave of energy comes in and, and this will be an opportunity for them to do that. Some of them know it, some of them don't. The reality is we're going to have a lot of people leaving the
planet. And just before that, we had a massive exodus of, of animals leaving the planet, largely in Australia and different places where a lot of these viruses went through things and just kind of wiped out animals. And we, of course, we're too busy with ourselves to really pay attention to that. But it was a whole reset of the animal Kingdom in a lot of different ways. It was really fascinating to see in different ways.
OK, we've got this. You've got an excellent way of being able to see the overview of things. I got to ask you about politics. I know you talk about politics. I know that's part of where it is. Tell me, tell me the overview that you have with politics and and the spirituality of politics. Oh boy. OK, that's a mouthful. I really love talking about politics. Not, you know, because I think it's important we make assumptions and I do all the time.
And my assumptions are if you are somewhat evolved, whatever that means, you know, I'm using that word loosely. But if you have enough interest in taking type of classes you teach and following this, these kind of teachings, there's a part of you that wants to grow, wants to understand, you know, you know, it's a, it's, it's a very elite group. You know that we we preach to the choir, right? That's what I always used to tell Barbara, I said.
I can't hold any secrets here because I'm working in front of a room full of psychics. You. Know. You just got to tell it like it is, that's all. That's it. There's, you know, and we're preaching to the choir and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And what I found is a lot of surprises along the way. How people that maybe I'm generalizing, you know, I'll, you know, I'll take that hit.
But many people who are spiritual tend to back away from politics because they see it beneath their spirituality because it's so convoluted and it's really gotten disgusting. And you know, everybody's fighting with everybody and there's division and all we want is love and peace.
And what got my attention about that is I'm, I'm an old timer from Lemuria like you, you know, and in Lemuria, we have to remember that Lemuria was the closest we've come to, you know, that we could at least, you know, reflect back towards something tangible that where we came very close to this Earth ascension and how evolved we were in so many ways, we were
reaching that apex. But one of the miscalculations in Lemuria was that we thought we had enough light and that light would overcome any darkness and any negativity and passivity and love was the way. Well, we know how that turned out. Didn't quite work the way we thought. No, no. No, no, no, no. It was like a little off on miscalculation. The heart was in the right place, execution and not. So good. That's exactly it. That's exactly it all. Right. So we're here now.
And the majority of people that are on the planet right now, in my humble, narrow opinion, are from Lemuria and Atlantis and we are all back here and we're getting another shot right now. Do this again and not rest on our morals and not hide behind our big hearts and our spirituality and put more damn skin in the game because we cannot sit this one out. Not because it's morally wrong. Politically we're going to wind up with the wrong person. Please don't do this.
What about humanity and values? It's none of that. It's a personal karmic opportunity not to lean back and take the soul's assignment of part of why you were dropped here during this time on the planet and move into an actionable desires versus just meditation, prayer and talk. Really put it into use. And that is one of the ways we can put it into use. Absolutely. Become involved with it. Yeah.
It's interesting. They, the group talked about Lamoria and they talked about the the government of Lamoria, which they said was really kind of interesting because these were true public servants. They were more responsible for making sure the trash was taken out and dealt with. And then they were for international relationships or, or strength of their defense systems or things of that nature. So it was it, it was a different process entirely to do that. And I'd love to see us return to
some of that. I think we're, I think we're heading in that way. I do, I think we're again in the 5th dimension, trying to still hang on to old, the third dimensional stuff and being able to pull back and, and being afraid of the change and every other aspect. I think that's all playing out right now in our politics in a lot of different ways. And I will tell you the, the entire world is watching the United States right now because it's going to be affected by what takes place in the near
future. So absolutely. I agree. What the United States does, the world follows and we have that responsibility and it is quite a gift if we are willing to step into the responsibility of the power. And when we step back and, and I think, you know, because politics has become such a hot topic and, and I and I speak for myself always first. And everybody's gone out of their way not to sound partial and not to pick a side. And, and that is just to me,
nonsense. That's like, you know, whitewashing something, You know, it's like having a crazy friggin uncle, you know, that walks around with his pants off and nobody wants to say anything at Christmas dinner. Because. They don't set the apple cart and you know it it. That's not OK in a family and it's not OK in the world. And I don't think neutrality is the goal. I no, I I definitely don't think so. I I don't.
Think so and I think it would be a very big mistake for people who are intrinsically want change and on on a spiritual path to buy that thought form or and hide behind it because we need everybody on the plane. We really do for this game. We really do. You know, The group talked about a time when after actually after Atlanta sank, after Lamoria sank and after Atlanta sank, that there came a time where we stopped time and we had a grand meeting of all the spirits.
And we all decided if we were ever able to get humanity to a high enough level that we would all jump back in and try to make it past the the goal. Mark, I think we're here. That's exactly what you said earlier. Most of people that are here are from Lamoria or Atlantis. Most people and personally I, I, I didn't resonate as much with Atlantis. The group told me I was partly responsible for some of the problems. So I probably, I probably blocked it a little bit.
That's why I'm doing this work now. It's my mayor, Poopa. Exactly, I'll make. It amends. Exactly. But I boy, I have memories about Lamoria and the, the, the interconnection with it. So, you know, if we all stand up and take our stand, right or wrong, it doesn't make any difference. We get involved, we ask the questions, we do our research, we do our voting, we do all the rest of it there and we get involved. That can make a huge difference right now, more than ever before
on this planet. And I think that's part of what's happened. We've seen this massive wave of people come back in and be here at this time. And that was really critical for all of this. So tell us, tell us a little bit about how people would find you. We're on a podcast, so you'll need to spell out your website for us. Yeah.
Oh, thank you. Yeah, they can find me on my website, which is Andy AND i.e. Santo Pietro SANTOP ietro.com and from there they, they have contact forms where they can reach me directly and find out, you know, get on my mailing list, find out more about my classes by individual sessions. And also I have a blog page and Instagram where they can follow me. My my Instagram address is it's not your mama's spirituality. Love that not your mama's spirituality. I love that.
Is that the name of it? That's my Instagram. Perfect. Perfect hashtag. That's perfect. And, and we can do this really tough work and look at these really hard things together. It doesn't have to be scary. We can laugh about it and follow a lot of your very early and continued teachings about responsibility and accountability. Because without that, the soul is not very happy here, correct? You know, Andy, Sante, Pietro, thank you so much for being with
us here today. I'm so proud of you. I really am. The work you are doing is incredible. I've seen your personal struggles. We've we've talked together many times on different things. You have really are a bright light on this planet and I want to personally thank you for that and. Steve, I love you very much and I am so grateful to you personally and I am so happy that you put yourself and followed your path and LED so many people to this incredible place that we are right now.
Espavo. Espavo, Andy. Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Steve. All right. And that does it for today's Back Story Podcast. These are people that really have made a difference here in the planet, and you're probably watching this because you're probably one of those people. We hope we can spur you on a little bit to step into your power, to bring the 5th dimension into your reality now and to stop using some of the third dimensional rules that really don't work anymore.
Thanks for being with us here today. A spa, everybody. This is the Back Story podcast. I'm Steve Rother and we're at despavo.org. Music.