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little bit more felt, a little bit more professional. But at baby Faces Pod, we are back. You guys probably just hurt us last week with WWE superstar Ricochet. Of course, ww RAW is going to be coming to Lexington, Kentucky Hearing about another month, so we're kind of getting the hook
up. You already know we have a good work in relationship, Billy and I do, of course with the radio station, with WWE and of course all these other good wrestling promotions out there, so when they come to town, they like to promote with us. So we're anxious to see who we got next. But it's just the boys, just us to today, just like old time, just back when we were just a wee little podcast in our opening days, right, and it's been a minute Billy the Kid,
our co host, What is going on man? How you doing? Dude good? And yeah, like you said, it's been a minute since it's been just me and you. I feel like our loyal listeners out there, we kind of get in the same cadence every year of how we do this thing. You know, we'll get really into it starting now. We're on the road to WrestleMania, which we're going to get into all that's going on and all that you know we've missed we need to catch up on and talk
about. But then, you know, football season hits. I took on a football coaching job this past season, got super busy with that, so it was mainly like interview content for you guys, which you can go back and listen to if you've missed any of those. You know, Austin mentioned Ricochet last week that on guys like Grayson Waller, the Street Profits. I mean, the list is on and on al Snow part two, So you
know a lot of great interview content to check out. But we'll try to do a lot more of these, you know, regular just me and Austin talking ball, talking shop type podcast. We're on the road to wrestle Ania, man, it's a big time in the wrestling obviously, and we want to be here to break it all down, give our opinions and whatnot. So we're back, like you said, we are back for the home stretch here of the best time of the year wrestling. Yeah, I mean you
you just mentioned it. We talked about this before, Billy. I mean, as much as our loyal listeners have heard this speel about us around this time, kind of taken off and like you just said, taking on a coaching opportunity and billion his first year, guys, Billy and his first year took More High School, helped take More High School to the playoffs. This
is the first year coaching staff, and it's really really cool. As passionate as Billy is about wrestling, he's also very passionate about teaching these young athletes how to develop because of course Billy young superstar high school quarterback himself, and he's just just trying to pass that knowledge along. But like I was saying, dude, it's like people, I mean, we just kind of had
that. We just kind of bit the bullet and understanding that most of our audience, as much as they probably do, don't mind listening to us. The audience wants to hear when we have wrestlers and we have stories on and it's just I mean, just by default that's just a little bit better for a podcast. So we've just tried to you know, just leave episodes up to that. But we'll just try to come a little bit more frequently with
just us and do an updates and all that. But you know, as we've grown over the last couple of years, we've gotten some pretty good connects for you know, other interviews, even if it's not ww superstars or having a content creator that I came on to watching just a couple of weeks ago on TikTok At vigil Anti talks. If you want to go check him out.
Really, I know immediately kind of thought of you whenever I found this dude, and I kind of showed him to you because, as I know, you've been a little bit more busier than I have, so you haven't been able to watch too too much. But this guy, Vigilanti talks to make some pretty good recap videos if you if you really haven't been at That's one of the major things about WWE is you can never fall out of it
for too long. It's relatively easy to sort of jump back into the action with promo packages, and they do a good job at catching you up. And this guy does a really good job at it. So check him out later we're going to be talking to him. But man, just a couple of big things. Where do you think we want to start? You want to start like a couple of peers, because I know where I want to start. Well, I know where I want to start. Okay, let's
go with it. It's not on the wrestling front. Actually, justin I mentioned loyal listeners at the top of the podcast. That's right, and our most loyal listener unfortunately passed away recently, right, and that is your uncle Kenny, who went with us to the Rumble in Saint Louis, SummerSlam and Nashville with his son Chris. We always had great times with them, you know, good vibes all around. So also, I just want to give you you the floor a little bit shout at your uncle uncle Kenny, an
absolute legend, man. Thank you. Yeah, Uncle Kenny tragically had to lay him to restless last week, but he he goes in good faith and he leaves behind a wonderful person. We hung out with Chris before on hell at not even just wrestling. We've been to like Louisville baseball games with them
and stuff too, So he definitely will live on. He's one of our our loyal listeners since day one, always asking when we're gonna have the next baby Faces episode out, even always kind of got confused on how to put it on because he always tried to put it on through his iHeart Apple on the television and he kind of know with some of these people now in technology, it's sort of tough to do so, but once we kind of put him on game and he loved all of our guest listeners, always asking who
was next. Like you said, we had the awesome time where we met up with him and Chris shout out to them at the World Rumble, and we got to have some time at the at SummerSlam just last year just as well, and had a couple other listeners drive along with us, like Cody Jacob and my brother Wyatt who ended up making the trip. But you know, we sat next to Kenny and Chris. It was just an awesome time. And yeah, and tragically not with us anymore, but we will live
on good faith and the baby Faces will continue on in his name. So appreciate you bringing that up, Billy. Yeah, of course, gotta gotta give the tribute to the legend. Man. That's right, rest in peace, obviously, my thoughts and prayers with you. Kenny was an awesome dude. I will never forget because I have it on my phone the Summer Slamed box. Every pay per view we've went to there's been something that happens. We're at the World Rumble, the sign catches on fire, or when we're
at Summer Slam. You remember the whole light debacle. The lights were way too damn bright. And then I have a recording where you're yelling triple h and then right next to you at the very end, you here, Uncle Kenny, just barrel in. We turn the fucking light. It's great it listen in for me. I'll post that up to our Babyface's IG story later.
There you go. Really good stuff, and we're looking forward to building off of that just as well, because Raw is coming back to Kentucky and I've been making some frequent trips back to just just back to the state here recently, at least two times a year with a Raw and a SmackDown either in Louisville or Lexington. You have. I don't think you didn't make the SmackDown one from a couple of months ago Yah Wyatt tribute show. But it
seems like you're on board for RAW here in a couple of weeks. Right, yeah, yeah, it's looking good. It's it's not football season, so that's gonna be a help teams. Right, yeah, exactly right. It's a Monday. A Monday should be should be pretty solid. Is that the Monday after the super Bowl? Actually it is the Monday right after the super Bowl. Okay, there you go. We will be high roll with the super Bowl, either losing money or uh making making that trip up to
Les. It makes it a little bit better. When it's a RAW,
it's three hours, it's a flagship program. Usually something dope happens. It's I think it's two weeks after, two weeks after the Royal Rumbles, so there's gonna be a a I think it could either fall in that place where they're just building and they just come hit after hit leading up to it, or it can kind of be just like a dead period that they just had this huge, huge event and they just kind of let stars rest for a couple of weeks and it's pro I hope it's hope it's the former, and
we kind of get a lot of stars. It seems like Cody's advertised, Bianca's advertised Riu jay Uso. Don't see a tribal chief yet, don't see Roman reigns, don't see see them punk on there, know seth rollins and have some more about seth rollins later on. But when we get to it, we'll worry about, say, well, we'll see the WrestleMania sign again. We just thought that's right catching fire at the Rumble, but that'll be on on Raw. So that's we don't have a picture. We don't have
a picture pointing at the WrestleMania sign. I noticed that. I don't think we were close enough to kind of do that at at the Royal Rumble because we're behind it. Yeah, we'll be able to find our way to do it this time because it should be a smaller vignette repreena but that should be pretty fun. Ye. But just let's just start off, like I said, I mean, you probably already know where I'm gonna come from. H
We'll start what did I say The Rock back. I mean, there, this is this is really nothing like official because all the Rock did a couple of weeks ago. He came out and he kind of did declare himself.
Well, it was more they fooled us with the gender Mahall thing, and there's just so much shit into the gender ma Hall and you talk about the year that he's had with the Rock, but he let that squash go into of course, the Rock basically calling out Roman reigns and saying where should the Rock sit at the head of the table, And dude, I fell back in my chair, like, let me tell you something. Well, he was going through that spiel. I just kind of had it in my head
he's gonna he's gonna say something about Roman reigns. It was either that or he was going to like declare himself for presidency, because he came out very diplomatic because Gender was cutting the U People promo and the Rock came out and mentioned like the First Amendment and the repercussions from government, and I'm like, what the hell is this guy doing. I thought he was gonna say sit at the Oval office or head of the table, one of them. But
you the seeds at least are planted. There haven't been any. There haven't been like any real like this is what's gonna happen. There's been nothing but speculation and nothing but coping on the ends of people that really, really, really been wanting this Cody Rhodes Roman reigns thing too. When Cody to desperately finished history in Philadelphia at WrestleMania forty this year, but it may have seen those plans kind of got a bit jumped up with the rock Billy, what's
your whole takeaway from everything going on? Start by saying, yes, Austin, you are right, Well, okay, I mean three years later, Austin is finally right. Yes, the Rock has returned, and it looks like all signs are pointing to Rock versus Roman. Now, I do want to say my opinion on this the whole time has been I will not believe it until I actually see some sort of evidence that it's gonna happen. I need to see the Rock return. I need to see him do exactly what
he did, call out Roman reigns. Now, I'm on board. I mean, if this isn't the main event at WrestleMania forty in Philadelphia, it's a big it's a huge show, WrestleMania forty. That's what I was saying last year, Like, yeah, Hollywood thing made sense, but like they always want to do it big on the decade, right WrestleMania ten, WrestleMania twenty, thirty forty. I feel like they always try to go a little bit more above and beyond for those shows. So that's why I was always
like, all signs should be to WrestleMania forty instead of thirty nine. But the way that storyline built last year, it probably was like strike while the irons Hot should have happened last year. I get the Hollywood theme that played into it too, but nonetheless this should be I mean, if it's not the biggest match of all time, it's one b right, like the Rock Vers John Cena was massive and John Sena has gone on to be a massive, mainstream, mainstream star in his own right, you know, two huge
basically a list celebrities at this point. I don't think the you know, outside of wrestling, people know Roman Reigns as well as John Cena, especially today and even back when they had that match. But I just feel like with the already built in storyline of the tribal chief and the family and all of that combined with you and insert The Rock with this guy Roman Reigns, who's been on top of the world for you know, three four years now
and on the wrestling scene. This has the makings for everything that we we can one out of it. Right, So when you talk about WRESTLEMANI made events, you talk about dream matches, you talk about all of that. This is the epitome of it. And it looks like we're gonna get that. So that's awesome. Now the question is how do we get there? Yeah? Right? Does it involve the title? Where does Cody Rhodes land
on the card? You know, obviously he's a He's a factor in this, in this situation, So how I have my way of booking at it, But I'll let you, I'll let you kind of take over first and say, you know, how do we get from now until WrestleMania forty you know, with everything that is involved in this storyline, how does it all
take place? Well? I mean that that's just the interesting thing too, is because just a couple of weeks before The Rock came back and it's one of the biggest things that some of the online Internet people are just referring to of just the rumors that the Australian government was willing to fork out money and travel agencies were able to fork out money just to try to get The Rock to be there, which totally makes sense. I can't understand him appearing,
but that's not for something like a match would do. And you know, I understand wwere trying to make these international shows just as big, but they're
not going to make something massive what they've been creating like this. I mean, I've gone on hot take and I've had some hot takes today what you haven't agreed with on Twitter, But I've gone on to say if I mean John Cena and The Rock, if this isn't like that, I mean, this has to be probably one of the champion aspect of it and the Roman reigns and the historic aspect of it against a superstar that the Rock is. I think possibly has to be one of the bigger matches since Hogan and Warrior
way back in the day. And I'm thinking the question is how do we get there? I mean, does the Rock win the Royal Rumble? I mean there's one we haven't even talked about yet. See him Punk coming back. He's a heavy favorite to win the World Rumbling. He's already said that he's not even going to go after Roman Reigns, that he wants to go after seth Rawlins or at least the World Heavyweight Championship. We don't know seth
Rawlins' condition. After this past Monday Nights, heavily rumored that he may not be going into WrestleMania as champion because of that match with Gender. Mahall, you tried to hinder the gender and that's what happened to you. But I don't know it's going to be interesting if that doesn't happen then and then we're talking about the whole Cody thing. Does does Cody win back to back Royal Rumbles? And that's nice? But if he does, then how do the
fans take that? And you know, I know that there's a lot of people last year, me included, they kind of thought that the fans would not necessarily turn on Cody Roads, if they wouldn't start to boom a little bit just because he settled down on the My Daddy promos, and you know, after actually getting to meet Cody Roads and do the awkward depth up with him at Louisville and take a picture. I've you know you do that, You meet these stars and you start to develop a sauce spot for him.
But you know, I was I was just met more mad last year that if they weren't going to do the Rock and Roman reigns, they have built up this amazing story with the bloodline in Sammy Zain that literally just got shotgunned to a meaningless elimination chamber match because we all knew it was going to be Cody that had so much meat on the bone. But since Cody felt sort of interjected in there, so what do we do? Does Cody win the
World Rumble and whatever happened, there's an elimination chamber after that? I mean, does are the Internet marks true? Is a Rock being paid to compete at the elimination check? I don't necessarily know how we do it. If it would be fun to see the Rock win it, the Rock comes out at the Royal Rumble and wins it, and that's the most organic way to challenge for it. I know we've talked in the past that they don't need the title for that match, but at this point in the career, I
mean Roman's so close to passing Hulk Cogan. I think that they're going to make him pass Hulk Hogan just because ww wants new people on their record books. They can't have Bruno San Martino and Hulk Hogan up there forever. Those guys. They have to have like a newer guy, kind of the same thing that they did with gun Through and the Intercontinental Championship people. Now, I mean, I love and respect them. We love and respect the honky
talk man Kirk Canning. Your average viewer right now is who the hell is at. So they just look at these record books and I can see that they kind of want to update them a little bit. So I'm not necessarily sure how we get there, but I am intrigued. You said that you have a couple ideas. What would you do? Would you like book the Royal Rumble the winner to get it or Elimination Chamber. I I kind of
want to see where you're at on this. So whoever challenges for Roman reigns if he is holding the championship, the WWE Championship, whoever challenges for that will not win the Royal Rumble, all right, seam Punk is winning the Royal rumble. I have no doubt in my mind about that is that's your prediction right now, as of now, as of January eighteenth, that is my prediction. I have no doubt using that one. Soon, Yeah for
sure. Uh So he's gonna go on and challenge for the World Heavyweight Championship against whoever That is probably seth Rawlins. We'll see how that kind of you know, plays itself out. So put that aside, right seem Punk Night one main event challenges for the World Headweight Championship. So now you have to decide is Rock versus Roman gonna be for the championship. That's what you have to decide. And the hall Coken factor plays a big part in this because
otherwise I would say, no, it's easy. This makes it a little tough. But if you do kind of throw that record to the side, you can take the title off of Roman possibly at the Rumbleyes, in this Fatal four ray match with Randy Orton, La Knight and aj Styles, you can have the Rock interfere in that match, you know, distract Roman reigns whatever it might be, and then boom, Randy Orton wins the championship. So then you lead to Rock versus Roman non title at WrestleMania, just like
Sena and Rock was at twenty eight. Your w W Championship match, Randy Orton is the champion, you have an elimination chamber match to determine the number one contenter for it. Cody Rhodes wins that, then you have Cody Rhoades versus Orton for the championship. That's the only way for every party involved to be satisfied, right. You get the Cody moment with him winning the championship. Finally, you know, finishing his story against his mentor, Randy Orton,
the guy that you know he came up with in legacy. So there's a good amount of meat on the bone with that storyline. I would say seeing Punk made events a WrestleMania and wins the championship, wins the rumble, all the ship that he complained about that he didn't do when he was here the first time. They satisfy that, and then you still have Rock vers Room and is the main event of Night two non title match, you know, just like seen in Rock was at twenty eight. So I think that's
probably the best way to do it. But the HAULK Hogan record factor is massive in this. Yeah, because then Cody Rhodes is going to get left out of the pictures. It's as simple as that. They're not blowing this fucking match off at Elimination Chamber. Brow. Everybody talking about that is out of their fucking mind. I don't get that. Like that is. Elimination Chamber is the speed bump to WrestleMania. It is a not like a C level pay per view. It sets up WrestleMania, right, It's like the
it's like Thanksgiving and Christmas. Right, Thanksgiving kind of like picks up the speed to Christmas. It's not like the main event, right, So that's how I would I would say it. And yeah, they're just not They're not gonna do that. Like the the pay per view is gonna be happening at what like five am and the at like three or four am. It's crazy. They're not blowing off their biggest match and over a decade at Elimination Chamber. So everybody dropped that, and and the speculation on that was so
ridiculous. Like although the government forked up all this money for the Rock, Okay, that doesn't mean The Rock is going to wrestle Roman at elimination chamber. He can still show up, cut a promo, you know, all of his to say, literally, and then he calls out wants to bring WrestleMania here next right. That's that's fucking all. He's not going there to wrestle It's crazy that was even even a thought, and even room like insane. That is where me and IWC just do not see eye to eye with
some of these things. Man, It's just like, how how could you how could you even think that's possibility. So anyway, I think that's how we get there. But again, the Cody Roads factor is gonna be interesting if they have room and break this record. Cody Rhoads, I don't know where he finished his story. I guess at SummerSlam this year, which is a little bit of a letdown, I would say, but you know whatever,
that's still that's still the second biggest show of the year. Now, are you one of the people that subscribed to the idea that Cody's story involves him beating Roman Reigns or I just think I just think it's I think it's winning just a world title, whether it's the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, that's the one that Roman the undisputed World Heavyweight Championship. I think if you're one to do this lat, then you should have done it when at last year's
WrestleMania. But once again I kind of felt that that was thrown together. You had this amazing rivalry with with the with the bloodline thing going on. I don't know, I don't know if it's in ww's whopefully. I think
this may have been like the Mark. The people are so ready to fast track storylines, and Marks were so ready at the beginning, at the beginning of Sammy joining the blood Line and he's eventually it's gonna come down to them turn it so people he's gonna turn, He's gonna join Kevin Kevin Owens, and they just I feel like WW feels rushed into that, and that's why they got to That's why they got to at a blowoff pay per view.
Mat I watched it. I remember texting you you did not watch Elimination Chamber last year, and I remember you telling me like, it's meaningless, it's not gonna happen. I'm still a Mark at heart where I kind of thought they might do something here, just because this story has been so fucking good, and they really didn't just because of his hotspots, and at the at
the very end, I'm like, well duh. I mean, we all knew that Roman Rings was gonna win, but like I would have rather had my feeling, this is my my disbelief suspended at WrestleMania than the one right before, and I feel like they were just doing that just to a piece to get Cody into the main event, which he didn't. They didn't even book him to win, which is great because I was there cheering for Roman Rains. I didn't expect it. I went on the I went on our
podcast where he previewed it saying that he was gonna lose. But that's the thing, and also we haven't discussed the possibility. WW has been quiet about Rock and Roman Reigns. I think the most they did was touch up on it with Roman Reigns on that episode SmackDown just kind of laughed it off. Hasn't been touched ever since. So my thing is is, maybe this doesn't happen this year, maybe it gets the whole year build up for next year
is WrestleMania. But I'm also on the other the other other side of that is I don't want to. I mean, I I'll just keep you know, I've already I'm an E drone, I've already subscribed to the idea the bloodline and Roman range is keeping this going. But like it's I think now is the time to do it. If you wanted to do a year long build to it, you should have. You should have done it last year.
But I'm also kind of afraid that they may make this into next year and that could possibly plan to Roman or the Rock either fucking Roman reigns at this year's Royal Rumble or he gets we get the rematch with Cody and he and He screws over Roman rings and the Cody match and Tody gets his score, and then that builds up for the next year. But at this point, once again, I go back to the Hulk Hogan factor. I think,
I think that's what they want to do. I know, records and there's meaningless in this sport, and I know Roman Reigns probably cares little about it. He wants a paycheck, do probably wants a vacation. But it's it's I know it probably doesn't even matter, but that's I could be worried that they might do it for next year too. Yeah, I mean that's interesting, and like you said that, the Rock could cost them if it
is Roman versus Cody. This year, the Rock costs them the title at WrestleMania, and then boom, you set up the year long build like you did with Scene in Rock. That's literally what happened with Scene in Rock. The Rock costs Scene of the title at twenty seven. It's the miz. It's so facto. Next day boom, once in a lifetime wrestling the twenty eighth Sceni versus Rock blah blah blah. You can do it the ect exact same way you want to answer your question. Does Cody Rhodes finishing the story
mean the WWE Championship and Roman reigns or the World Heavyweight Championship. I think it has to be the WWE Championship, but I don't care who he beats. I don't think it matters who he beats for it. Okay, it has to be Roman. The reason it has to be that championship though, because that's the one that he talks about that Dusty never won that he was
never the WWE Heavyweight Champion. I think he did win the World Heavyweight Championship at some point with WCW or like, well, he won the NWA Championship, which is basically heavyweight championship. So yeah, I think the finish the story, it has to be the main WWE title. But again, I don't think it matters if he beats Roman Rains or not. Obviously to be a lot bigger of a moment. If you beat Roman Rains, whoever beats
rum and Rains, it's gonna be a huge moment. And that's why I'm like, do they blow it off at Rumble with the Rock interfering and the Randy Orton wins all of a sudden, It's like, oh, the whole title reign was a little bit you know, you didn't use it to like elevate somebody or anything like that. You just basically shoehorned it to get to, you know, Cody's moment. So yeah, it's tough. I don't
know. Me. Last year, they've done a lot of good crossover and foreshadowing another match between the two rather you know, him kind of picking up the rivalry a little bit with bringing jay Uso to Raw and still kind of is still that kind of bleeding over. But me personally I love the match. It was there last year, loved watching it as one of my favorite matches last year when my favorite WrestleMania matches Roman and Cody, I'm just not
interested in seeing the match again. Yeah, And like you said, like, if this plays out like I am saying it could play out, then they should have just had Cody win the title. Yeah. Year, Like, if you know what I'm saying, like, and you wouldn't have got into the position where we're at now. I mean, should we make them past the record just because this time last year he was close to a thousand days and we're like, wow, well does he get to a thousand days
and does that matter? Well, now they've kind of if you just can go on all out, all out with it. I mean, there's no other star like Roman Reigns. Roman Reigns is the draw in professional wrestling right now. Love them or hate them. I mean, I will admit a lot of great TV shows, a lot of great movies have their kind of slow, boring parts, and I feel like over the summer after WrestleMania,
that's where the bloodline angle kind of went. I'm still a little bit confused what they're doing with the whole Jimmy and j J thing Bloodline angle twenty twenty twenty three. The beginning of it was amazing. I don't know. I'm just here's just me hoping that they're still taking care of that story, that the way they should have. They're going to come up with a huge boom
on it. And I just don't see. I don't see how this story about this tribal chief, this mob boss, this guy that's you know, the head of this family, how this doesn't include Rock at least one part, whether that's ending the bloodline or taking the title off them, He just at the least needs to be included. And that's all I've ever wanted. And I even think even before the whole bloodline thing, before twenty twenty, I mean, even when they had the Roman arenes Win and the Rock come
out in Philly and raise it his hand. They could tie that into the whole Philly thing after the World Rumble, But I still think even then they probably had visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads with Rock versus Roman face versus face. Then way back in twenty sixteen and seventeen, way before the bloodline things started, So I think it's gonna happen. It's just a matter
of it's just a matter of win. Let me just jump on while we got a couple more minutes, did just mention it, CM punk he's back. It's it's what's your whole take on CM punk. I'm I'm liking what he's been doing, just because they're they're doing a really good job with them.
I love that they're having stuff with they're they're they're acknowledging it. I feel like a lot of people have shots at the World Rumble this year, and they're doing such a good job with creating drama within the World Rumble participants. And it all starts with CM punk coming back and ruffling some feather feathers. We saw it visibly upset with seth rawlins just a couple of months ago at Survivor series Drew MacIntyre stormed out, and you know, I'm sure that's
probably a little bit over dramatized. You know, these people do have harsh feelings about CM Punk. I know time heals all wounds. But WWE is doing the right thing and bringing business to front and letting them, hey make this, make money, show the truth in reality and they're just being professionals about it. They're telling CM punk what they're gonna say when they go out there, and they're not using real glass. I'm like Jack Perry or Luke
Perry's fucking son, which caused AW to blow up. But your thoughts on CM punk, I know we've talked about it before. You've said you've liked CM punk, you haven't been the biggest CM punk fan. Are you excited for this run in his second run? Well, I mean, Hell froze over Billy. That was my open Hell has frozen over cempunk is back. I didn't mean to take that one from you. Yeah, it's all good.
I didn't think I would see the day honestly, like everybody has always speculated for ever since he's left, Like every big pay per view it's like CM punk seem punk sem punk like and I'm just like, I was so over it at a point. I'm like people were hijacking pay per views and
whatnot, chanting his name and I'm like, bro, he's gone. He doesn't want to grow them literally like and like you said, I liked him in his run in in we you know, like I didn't love the straight edge character that he was in ECW in early days, but once he kind of found his groove, you know, heading into that summer of Punk in twenty eleven, like he was he was the man, like one hundred percent, Like that's what you tuned in on raw this to see was what what
was seeing Punk going to say? What was he gonna do? And Yeah, like I've always had respect for his talent, especially on the mic. I think he's got you know, a really good, really good character, really good charisma to him. You know, he can captivat an audience just by you know, talking on the mic for ten minutes, and that's that's how you know you have a star. So you know, anytime you get add star power to the roster, like, I'm all for it. You
know, it makes for fresh matchups. There's a lot of guys in in w WWE right now that he didn't run into in his original run here, So you know, it'd be fun to see those matchups kind of come to fruition. Yeah, you know, probably starting with with seth rollins at WrestleMania. Yeah, I would imagine is the is the first kind of program he gets involved in after what I predict is a royal rumble win, I imagine, and the reason I'm so confident of that is the reason he left in
the first place, because he wasn't getting opportunities like that. He wasn't getting the you know, the main he wanted to be the top guy. He wasn't being treated like a top guy. So I assume, you know, upon coming back there was like, Okay, if we do it, like I better win the rumble, I better have a big match WrestleMania like that was probably things that were promised then, So I think that's what we're leading
to. So yeah, yeah, again, like anytime you can add a star factor, like see him Punk on the roster, like let's go like that type. Am I the biggest fan of him, I have I grown
resentful of him over the years because of the marks. Like really it's it's nothing against him personally other than like I don't know how he kind of left was kind of like a diva move, but like like the fans that were hijacking pay per views and just making everything about in the name of CM punk, right my god, it was like all right, I'm over it. You were just tired of it, and it was it was that that was a weird, a weird time in wrestling because I wasn't watching fully when they
had the summer of Punk. I know you were, And I never really got to fully. I never really got to fully you know, like experience at So when I did come back into wrestling, that is just about the time that he left, and I was I was trying to be like, all right, let me let me go ahead and give se him Punk a real chance. And I never never really got to. I always appreciated him when he was just kind of up and comer. I didn't like him whinning
the money in the bank. Yeah, at what was twenty four four twenty four, I was an MVP guy. And but but you know, it's like I didn't hate to see himunk. He's just kind of like there. I never hated it. But I'm and another thing to jump into the drama that they're building in between the World rum one. I guess we'll have an official role Rumble one next next week. But you are you got you got Seth or I'm sorry, you got CM punk winning That's probably exactly where I'm
gonna go to something just I'll say this for next week. But I have I have some something does tell me that maybe I might be worked. I'm a sucker for falling into some online internet rumors, but see seth Rollins may be hurts and that's unfortunately always seem to get injured around like these times heading
into WrestleMania, and that may lead to him dropping the title. I don't know what they do with the whole Roman situation, but I feel like they can organically easily fit Cody Rhoades and see them Punk into that picture, especially when they're advertising on this upcoming raw h. CM punk is kind of called out Cody face to face and said Cody, I got something I want to
talk about, and they're kind of openly acknowledging. Yeah, the fact that a couple of people have come back, both Rock Randy Orton, I guess, and CM Punk, and they all had their site set on the same sites at Cody Rhoades, you know, has his vision, and Cody's done a good job of coming out and saying I respect the rockspects seem punk with this is like my story, you know, So we'll see where that plays out going forward. Appreciate all you guys listening, Billy, Appreciate you hopping
on with us today. I know you got to get out of here, and uh, we're gonna have a special guest on later. I don't know if you're gonna be able to make that or not, but I will be with our guy Elijah from at Vigilanti Talks. Go check him out on TikTok and Instagram. He has a lot of cool, fun content. We'll be talking to him in just a couple of hours. Appreciate you guys tuning into the baby Faces podcast here on iHeartRadio. Billy got anything to say to anybody
before you leave? Uh, no, you know we'll be We'll be back next week. Like you said, rumble rumble preview, I would imagine probably give you know, we both are on the same page with seam Punk, but that could always change by next week, and like we'll give more,
you know, other contenders that have a shot to win the match. Maybe you know, throw in some dark Horses or iron Man, iron Man, all all the fun props, all the fun prop We have a couple, Well, maybe we'll find out some actual like third party sites that do take bets and we'll we'll check out those odds and see where where we're at. But yeah, sure, that's the baby Faces. We appreciate you guys listening. Billy, thank you for coming on. That's Billy the kid. I
am atm one here. I'll let you guys in a couple of hours. Peace. We're I wouldn't say we're casual fans. We are hardcore fans, but we more or less like trying to piece the casual audience. We're not like I mean, we're not like. It seems the IWC is just so caught up and like and just so much. It's not important to the wrestling that I just kind of grew up loving. It seems a lot of the time so focused on I mean, these guys, they're marks, you know,
their marks for the fake fighting. And I appreciate a good match. I appreciate it and watching a good match, but I was drawn to the fucking stone cold Steve Boston people that, like I didn't care how fucking long their matches were. I just want to see you come out, talk your ship, do your gimmick and and do it like I'm And I guess people can call me an e drone. Are you a huge aw you fan? It seems like we're probably lying like the yeah, a w because I mean,
I don't I mean, I don't hate it. I'm bothering. I'm resentful of it because of the of their weirdo psycho owner. And just like I wouldn't say the tribalism because I'll go ahead and pick my side. It's w W I pick right. It's just something about it. I don't want anyone to like. You know, there's just something about it. It's not my wrestling, like the way the way I see it, right, I try to enjoy it as much as I can. I know you keep going on and shut this window. It's cold. I try. I try to
enjoy. I try to enjoy it as much as I can without showing tribalism. I'm pretty sure you've seen in the comments be going back and forth with people. I love going back and forth with oh yeah, because I mean, my slogan is let's talk about it. So I cannot say let's talk about it and not talk about it. Yeah, so Mike thing with a W when people tell me is I look at a W and w W and
all of that. As you know, I tell you football is my favorite in baseball, so you can already tell where I'm going to me you have major league, you have minor league, you have college. The way I see it, w W is major league. Ae W is somewhat of a college league where they That's just the way I see it, and it works the same way when when a major league athlete is not doing too well, they send them to the minor league. I'm too good in w W, you go straight to a W. And it's an alternative, and I like
it. When when the Rock broke back the XFL, a lot of people were going crazy about it, Oh, it would never be NFL, and I said, that's fine, it's great. I don't I don't want another NFL. I want an XFL. I want to watch football during spring. I don't want to have to wait till winter. And and my only problem with ae W is, like you said, it's time time, which is
I go out it too. I don't go at him. If you see the videos that I make where I where I talk about him, I say what he's doing wrong, what he would do to do better, because he has something good in his hands. It's just that you're given. You're giving a fan. You know what I mean exactly. I'm sure you've heard the
comments. It's it's I mean, he's a billionaire. It's like giving a kid like a kid, like these are his actual wrestling figures, like when we used to play with wrestling figures and b that, but with like real life people. And he just says, like some of the most out of pocket things, and I mean some of the reality of what can be drawn
in his company. I feel like should there was a point, especially in seeing Punk out there a couple of years ago, where they rightfully probably should have sent shivers up w W spiney, not to the point where I mean, there's not the w you should be terrified. But they're they weren't the only they weren't the only place in town anymore. Yeah, none, you had somebody that's right there with you. Yeah. And you mentioned the XFL
thing, and I talked to this about Billy before. I think that this is the shining example when it comes to the major leagues and minor leagues, and like you said, just not want to in the springtime. I want to watch football and I want to have to sit there and wait for forever. So like I just look at it this way, when people go watch like the the AFL or what's coming out now or the or the XFL.
Like it's pretty cool because you know, we kind of get a taste of like it's football, like it's the sling gets back, you know what I'm saying. But at the end of the day, after a week or so, you just kind of like miss the real like all right, like I want to see the Justin Jeffersons and like, all right now, why these guys aren't in the NFL anymore? Like, yeah, it's cool to watch, Like you can bet on it. They make crazy plays or fucking fucking
shit on the sideline. It's cool. And I like how NFL kind of picks at that a little bit. They can always they can always take from each other. I mean, I think the XFL is what eventually gave the NFL the idea of the overhead cam in the first place. But at the end of the day, you just kind of ended up missing the real stars and the real teams. And like I don't care about the Dallas renegade, right right, It's all in good fun. It's it's it's there's something for
everybody, I guess. Yeah, yeah, And that's why I also I respect people who who you know, they they have their travelism with ae W I get it you one, and I told her I was having a conversation with a friend of mine and I was I was telling him, let's look at let's have a conversation about wrestling with your point of view and my point of view. And I told him I'm going to use the business point of view and the logical point of view. So we started talking about it,
and towards the end of the conversation he stopped me. He goes like, I see what you're doing. So I told you what am I doing? And he go like, you making me sound like Tony Kahn, And I'm like exactly. And that's what happens. You have somebody who is a fan who would say, oh, this will be nice as a booking, but you a fan. You know. It's like the guys that comment on my on my on my videos and they talk about, oh no, Seth Rollins
should have loved his belt and get it back. Before WrestleMania, I saw people commenting that they should lose there should be like four different title changes before me like, what the hell are you talking about? So, but I mean, people have their opinions. That's what this is all for. Everyone
has their movie theories and reality. You know. Yeah, I tell my friend all the time, the only other brand that I would compare ae W with is w c W Thunder. When I see any a e W show, I think of w CW Thunder because of all the spots, the super gimmea key and playing to the crowd and all of that. And that's and that's absolutely fine, bro, I'm okay with that. I still sit down and I watch it enjoy you see me. I've done video about m O W, I've done g c W, I done cn A. I just
love love. I love the ship, right, And that's absolutely you know, that's that's what it's all about. There's no there's no hate coming coming from your side, you know. It's it's more or less. It's always the I w C. Dude and me and Billy talk about all the time. What makes us more resentf I like some of the stars over there, I do absolutely. I mean, who doesn't love m J m jf is? I mean, what do you think is going on with that? I
mean, I don't. I don't know if we're being worked by the end, he's taking off rosters, he's not even on like the graphics world rumbles coming up. Something seems that there's a couple of schools of thought. I guess with m j w w E is he he can't be m j F at w w E. That does I don't. I don't agree with it at all. I don't agree with it at all. So the way I see it is this way. My initial thought when CM and came back was
that we will eventually get m j F right. Oh. I actually think for his growth, right, the best move that he could do is come to w w E. Regardless regardless of him being the top guy and the phase of a e W. It's not the same reach you could. You could you could love a W as much as you want, and you could hate me for this comment. I don't care, right, but they don't
have the reach w W have. So for him to get to that point, I'm pretty sure that there's people that know m JF or came across n JF and they don't follow wrestling, and and and and this happened in one of the chat that I got with with some of my friends where he like, yo, I found this guy n JF on YouTube and I'm looking on love a the w w E page and I don't see him, you know
what I'm saying. That's that's where the rich is when people know a lot of the people that that get to watch ae W is because they came back to watch w w E. Yeah, they came across a w Regardless of how you want to put it, I don't. I don't like sugar coat and shit. So my opinion about n JF is for him to get to that next level in his in his career, he would have to come to w w E. I don't think it's gonna be. I think it would be kind of m mid yocre booking if they have n't come Royal Rumble and
I'm looking for that surprise at the world. Not not him, not him the way I see it, man, you you know you want him promoted. You've seen how you see how crazy I think, right, I don't. I don't even want him promoting. I want him at WrestleMania and not
even a match. I want him to come to WrestleMania and cause when when Ceing Punk is this close to winning, n JF is just coming funk all that up for Okay, that would be like the best entrance for m j F w W because I also I said, just him just kind of being like revealed at WrestleMania while seeing about to get that moment not gonna happen. M JF isn't here and it will be like because if you think about a W, the best storyline that has happened in ae W was n j F
n C and Punk. Yeah, was the draw TODs every day, regardless of what people say or want to say, I want to think about this guy. This guy is him when it comes to the draw, you know what I mean, you know, and I and I and I could see it, I mean, think about it. He about to win and then m JF comes in and just to remind him, like, Yo, I'm always going to be that person who's gonna be right in front of you, and I'm always going to be better than you. You're the best in the
world, but I'm better than you. That would be the perfect booking, bro. Yeah, I agree with you. That's his next step if you want that development. And that's just we talked about the developmental thing earlier. Once you kind of reached so far at the ae W level, you've kind of done everything there. I mean, I guess that they've done a good job at him. I mean a couple of years ago he came in and called like Tony a mark and remember he did all that and like then he
disappeared. But at the end of the day, he's always remained somewhat loyal to Tony Kahan. But at the same at the same time where I wouldn't say I would disagree with you, because I'd love to see him there. And that's actually kind of a brilliant way, you know, to kind of introduce him, is just kind of feeding him back into the sea and the money storyline, right, yeah, the money that's always kind of built in. That was already kind of built in, and it's kind of like a
thing that it makes everyone's watching. It's a tone of cheek. Everyone knows where their rivalry came from. But I would think, just over there and it's gonna be interesting under this under you know how TKO does things and stuff like that. But for the longest time, you know, with then he's not, He's I would be coned. I would think that they would be concerned how we would look on TV because he is a small dude, and
how he would translate to w W E television. Look in at w W E ring, which is bigger than an A E W ring, I think so right, and like the just the ring buck and just like how the colors is and how the light shined on him when it when it's bright. I don't even think he's as big as uh as l A. Knight and l A Night kind of looks a little bit stocky one in the ring, not one of the biggest, but he's he's still got enough to make up
for we're JF. Still he's gonna but he has to make up for that with talking ship and ship fuck all that, and he's got to be m JF. Will he be allowed to be in JF? Over there? I got a little rebuttal for that thought. So the way the way, the way that I see it, the same thing. I you know, you gotta you gotta take that into account. You put rum and rings. He's a tall, strong dude. L A. Knight is up there, he's
shredded. He looks like a million bucks. Magan's all those guys, right, but look at the age bracket, right, and and MJF comes in Roman. I don't think Roman has too long on w W a. He they want him in movies. I mean, the dude looks like a movie, so you know they want him in movies and stuff like that. You
look at everybody else that we love. Randy Orn, he's at that age AJ style, He's at that age where you know, they don't have much and they might stick around for a while, but it might not be complete full time. They might be a draw every once in a while with that, right, But now you have Carmelo Hayes, you got bron Breaker, you got guys like Dragon Lee, Dominic my Stereo and all of them. If you put n JF next to those guys, looks big, sure,
you know, because those are the guys that he's gonna be facing. And and you know now that we talk, now that we I mentioned those guys, Yo, the future of w WE isn't great fucking hands. Yeah, And and MJF would be like that perfect that perfect heel persona along with Dominic Mystereo that could carry that next generation absolutely absolutely. And you got, like
you said, bron Breaker coming in. And it'd be interesting, I think if you want to talk about maybe some row, we'd be interesting to see what they have with because I know he's doing something with Baron Corbyn right now. Hell, I mean, even when you think about our guy Puerto Rican Scott hald Dam, like thirty eight years old. Yeah, may Benn Baller's
pretty old too. But here, here's here's a good point. And this this will relate back to I guess kind of like the WWE a w argument and I guess coming back to what Cocaine Tony said about aw being one of the safest, and it just their wrestlers seem so reckless and I've just never been like a fan of that. I don't mind like a slugfest here and there if the match causes for it, but stupid spots for free. And
I guess everyone can talk about that. You guys just meant the Randy Organs are sure Randy Ortons gotten hurt a couple of times, but the way that he works in his style, everyone thinks it's boring, but like that's just the way like he that's the way that he was treated. Longevity on his body and how we can get that how many times? I mean, Garby Allen, we joke about it. I mean, but is he gonna really be wrestling? I mean in a few more years. I mean, what
else is he gonna really do? Is he gonna make skateboarding videos after that? What I'm saying when he's doing like the hot topics shit. But like, I mean, what are these guys really gonna do? I mean, these guys are just in the business just for like just the pop now, because their marks for themselves. And I feel I wouldn't say I wouldn't have been disrespected, but I'm not a rest so I shouldn't be feel disrespected.
I'm just a fucking fan like everybody else's. You know. It's just like I could go like I don't, like, I could go in there. I feel I can kick some of these eyes ass Like I grew up in the wrestling like you know, macho man Randy, larger than white characters. That's what made me appreciate guys like Roman reigns now Drew mackins Hire, big guys, because when you like you run into these guys in like an alley,
like you don't want to be fucked with, Like I don't. I mean, come on, I feel like I could take on Finn Balor like some of the smaller guys and Daniel Bryant. I mean, come on give me a break, I do like Yeah, I like Danniel Brown irespect any, but Danniel Bryant is the type of person that his move set goes perfect with him, like it is believable. You can say, Okay, I can see this guy pulling this move and you can do a good character too. I like his character Yeah, yeah, I like his character work.
And but yeah, when it comes to to to that conversation, like I said, I been in the butt real quick. When people talking to me about it, I used to say, hey, two different companies. I treat them completely the same, the same way. I wouldn't compare T and A to w W. I wouldn't compare A W to the Yes, they little more oar advance, but they also got a bigger pocket in terms of if you talk to me about if you put match per maagine and and storytelling
and all that. I just made a video where I said T n A took second place, and you agree with me. But when it came to to to to promotion, yeah, yes, they don't have the budget that A E W have, But if you sit down and you watch the product, you're like, oh fuck, yeah, we need we need to support these guys, and that's just the way I see it. People that have just talented wrestlers over there. I mean, you got Josh Alexander, Jordan Grace, two people that we've had on the podcast before. Oh yeah,
you guys. You guys have you guys have a great resume by the way, Yeah, we absolutely, And that's one of our problems is is I mean, we we have we We've been afforded a lot of opportunities, of course to the radio station and even just supported a lot of opportunities to go to some of these shows. And I've just been trying to get into more content creating myself. My girlfriend is a freaking whiz at social media and all
that. I'm probably just gonna end up, you know, kind of doing it her way and have her kind of set out a strategy for me. But there'll be sometimes I'll post a reel of a video and it'll be we get like dope ass wrestlers. You know, We've got We've got Grayson Waller on, We've gotten some dogs on. But it's some of it's kind of gone. I wouldn't say like unnoticed, but like we just don't have too huge of a following or audience, and I just I'm just trying to find
out how to like to take advantage of that. And we live here in Louisville, Kentucky, which is home of you know, Ohio Valley Wrestling, and they're pretty huge and uh amazing Netflix right now and they're it's it's and it's just absolutely fun stuff. We just started out just interviewing people like them, but you know, we just trying to reach a larger audience. And you know, when I find someone like you, I'm like, this guy, like how we edits videos and stuff like that, I'm like, I
want to try, Like that's what you gotta do. It's just it's it's it's just wrestling. It's conventional. You gotta just like mix it up. And me and my co host used to come on here and just talk me and him with wrestling. It's fine. We love to do it. But as we kind of sat back, people wanted more or less listen to interviews with you or ww superstars, people that were actually talking to rather than just like a couple of shunks you just kind of just just blabbering on about it.
So we're just kind of taking different approaches and just trying to get there. But anyways, yeah, back back to the whole TNA conversation. Dude, I could get on rants. Dude, I got I'm the same way in tobacco, So I'm the same way. No, But it's it's good that you put it out there because you know, know, you may not know who come across this episode that me and you were talking and they're like, oh, let me, let me look at the stuff. You know
what I mean? And and and the thing with with social media and the content that you make with wrestling, believe it or not, Bro, the people that follow wrestling accounts is because you are a very humble guy. And I know that you are, you know what I mean, and I and I appreciate it, and I appreci she ate that. But people want to be told I know more than you do. You understand what I'm saying. I know more than you do, and my stuff is better than yours,
and naturally it could. So my wife always said, if you were a wrestling character, there was no way to make your baby face because you just naturally yeah, you know. And then it's so much so that I even used Vigilani supposed to be a hero Vigelanni told, and it's a sarcasm. I picked that name. Yeah, and so the way I did it, maybe maybe this will help you. You know how, the first coming you ever you ever put on my on my channel was I love the way that
you do your content because it will help casual fans. And that's where the idea for the nicknames and other stuff comes out. Because let's say somebody comes across a Damien Priez video, they don't know who gave me in prins is. Right the minute I say Puerto Rican Scott Hole, they're gonna be like, why is he calling in Puerto Rican Scott Hall. So they're gonna find the finish shirt they're gonna find. Oh, that makes sense. That's why
I do. I do it where I know the age bracket that's gonna try to give back to wrestling is always gonna be guys like us that grew up throughout the Attitude era. So that's why I usually pulled to that and and all that. So it's it's just finding that little connection with people. It's still a point where when I do a video and I used like wrestlers actual ring name, People's like, no, bro, why why? Why is
he l a night again. Why he's not stonewacks right when you throw in like when you're throwing fund some my fun because you never let him live the triple AM on the never I don't know who that was. I never, I never, and and I had people to this day like they run across those old videos like yo, why you call them triple M And then always I never had to explain it because somebody that one of the followers always say,
you know, explain it. And I take little stuff like that that people might not look at it and be like, oh ship like the other I haven't posted it, but I did a video where I'm telling people how because when I did the gender video that I put on today, the comment was like, talks on I suck I plugging bro, I do too. I do too. I did my own so I try to see if if I can get the guests over. So everybody was like yo, so they didn't throw a e W after all, and I'm like, oh, you
guys are so wrong. So I mean I commented on there. I was kind of I was under I'm always under the fall and one where like I mean they because w W will rib just for the sake of ripping. They sure will, but like, I mean, they've been really protective of seth Rawlins, like I should have knew better. But I mean, like a gender here's I hate to say this, and I've said this before in the podcast Billy, but Billy's kind of deleted it, but I'll go ahead and
say gender like reminds me of like a terrorist. I mean, he's he's like he looks terrifying and like he looks scared. I would hate to like run into him, and he's got like this. I would he he should be, he should be one of the top eels. But at the same time, like he's there's just something like about like his wrestling style and there's just there's just something missing. I don't know what it is. He's got
the look. I think he can I think he can talk. He's just when he first won the title, like he he oddly end uh Randy Orton, like he holds the title weird, like he he is weird. But they never gave him the great chance to run with it. But he was also just kind of like you said, like I'll just do whatever y'all need me to do. Yeah, No, he's he's good. He's good in
promos. Yeah, the runs, I don't know. Like I said in the I'm like, he'll he'll do anything in w W would tell him to do, and he'll give you a great promo because you gotta you gotta give it to him on that promo with the Rock, that following promo with Seth, you gotta give to give it to him too. Absolutely. Is he a mid carter, Yes, but he could be a good promo mid carter. We there's nothing wrong with being the mid carter. I mean, and you know WW for even giving him that run a couple of years ago,
so he can have some legitimacy to him now. Otherwise, just like we would completely write them off. We would have never thought that he would have had a chance money. Yeah, man, and he did. He did great. I think I think people slipping on him. I jumped into the wagon when when because one I don't like t K too much and two I just thought it was kind of disrespectful that he that that he went that route. But he is known to lose his ship. Now. Let me,
a lot of people missed it and I took video. So the way that w W E trolled a e w D Night was you know how people have to sign in the public, right, Yeah, somebody had a sign that was literally five by seven uh huh, and they set hook and they soomed in into that sign and then zoomed to the side to a Roman reign sign. I was like, oh, that was sending the screenshots and look at it. I took the screenshot the minute I saw it. I'm like, I saw the good. Uh, I saw the good. Uh. The
Guardians of the Galaxy sign it said, I'll do you one better? Why TF is hook? Yeah? That was great. Yeah, that's a lot. There's a lot of good ones. You know that. A few people tagged me on SummerSlam because there was people that had tribal queeth signs. Some guys was like, yo, I took your stuff and then he had a sign and he said he said, well, he had a lot of people took pictures with him and stuff, and he got let's go, let's go. That's what I'm talking about. I know. I actually just posted we
we had a well. I posted on the baby Faces earlier when we went to the World Rumble a couple couple of years ago, twenty two, and we just happened to have got caught on Peacock Network while they were introduced. It was a brock Lesnar Bobby Lashley match and Paul Hayman was doing the raining blah blah blah, and I felt like an asshole because if you look at it, I think I'm like the only dude that has a phone that's recording
it. I don't even have that video anymore. I don't know. Oh my god, bro, but like there's a guy right behind us that's just doing that and he's like completely drunk. The other guy that's right next to us, like five minutes before that was just elbowing the fuck out of him. It was, it was. It was one crazy That was a fun night. We actually ran into Angelo Dawkins of the Street Profits oh that night,
like he was. We happened. I don't know how, but when we went to Saint Louis, we happened to get like a dope hotel.
We had to pay for this. We already got the tickets to the radio, but when we booked the tickets it was like right at like the Grand Marriotte that was like right next literally damn near right next door to where the Dome and America Center was so like that happened to be where like a bunch of wrestlers where I found out Randy Orton and Riddle stayed there that night, but one of the main people that were down there was the street profits for
a couple hours and then when we got there at the end of the night. So these guys, they just kind of liked to hang around and talk to fans too, So it was he got to kind of hang around and and talked talked ship to us. It was a day right before uh uh, he was telling because he's a big Ohio fan. He's a big Bengals fan. He's from Ohio, and it was this day right before they beat
the Chiefs to go to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. So we just talked about how hype and ship they were because they have raw in Cincinnati. The very next day he was we got to chill with him, and it was it was just like an awesome fucking time. Have you ever been to any ww live shows, pay per views or your experience with that? I mean, what a stupid question, but I don't know, no question. So when I was younger, as I told you before, I
grew up in New York. So yeah, Yeah, I grew up in a time where every Monday it was in New York and most of the most of the pay per view was there. So as a kid, I went to a lot of a lot of shows. And recently I've been going to shows. Now have I have a one year old baby that I got, I'm making her stuff wrestling. I mean, so I took her. I
took her to her first w w E raw Evant and Ship. The problem that I have is that they barely come to Washington, d C. And I don't blame Hi because the crowd he is Washington, Okay, so the crowd out here kind of sucks. I don't even blame Yeah, but they kind of like that Northeast though a little bit or like around that man, because they like Maryland. I don't know, I like Baltimore. They go
a lots to Pennsylvania, New York. But this year kind of yeah, this year, this year, I mean, I'm trying to get to as many as possible. Yeah, as you know, based on the relations that I've made, I've been invited to some of those stuff like Russell Con, like the weekend of WrestleMania. They do Russell Kan. Yeah, they gave me. They invited me as a as a vendor so I could have the
weekend and stuff like that. So that's just the you know type things, the opportunities that are coming up, and you know, gotta take it, gonna take it as they come. But yes, I love going to two events. I go to local wrestling events as well. And I just enjoyed the last w W show you went. Do you remember I went raw when they were here in d C. I think it was December, December someone, Yeah, not that long ago. I was. I was in there
actually the last row before. It wasn't even it was November, the last row before before Survivor Series. I was there. I had that one video that went semi ral when I posted, uh, Jay and and Cody Roase stuck in Indiana. They were talking ones the show went off that was on the on the ring and they say, you know, uh, the Judgment Day got friends, but I think we have friends too. Yeah, And I posted and I said, oh, so this is a sign that Randy
Orton came back. And everybody was just going in on me. He didn't say nothing about Randy Orton, blah blah like guys, I've been watching this for too long. Bro. Yeah, come on there, they think that we are bro. And then the next week when Randy Oren came back, I did a video with all the receipts. I mean, yeah, I definitely remember their seats video. I remember both of them. Yeah. So that's the last we had SmackDown here, Like, uh, actually it was
during the summer. It was the day it was the Brave Wyatt tribute show show. It was fucking amazing, but I was scared. I thought they were going to cancel it that night. So I was like, I would have totally under standing because Bray Wyatt was probably man. He might have been. Like ever, there was a time I stopped watching wrestling back and like it got weird for me because when I got in like high school and I didn't really have enough time. I was in football and sports and journalism and
shit like that. I just didn't have time to go watch raw for three fucking hours. So like, yeah, around two thousand and nine to the twelve era, where was extremely peachy, Like I just kind of like in and out when I tuned in and like, don't no disrespect. He's not my kind of guy. When Dolph Ziggler is like the champion, and I'm like, I see like Jack Swagger. I just I'm like, I don't get this, dude, and so like that that that that just kind of
wasn't me. But what I kind of came back in like the thirteen fourteen, my first my first one, my first pay per view, like fully back into it was that Summer Slam of of Sena and Brian and that was right that I was one thousand percent intrigued on this Bray Wyatt character that they were talking about and he had that Inferno match with Kane and they had the Wyatt family and it was like this backwoods ye I love duck Dynasty at the time. Into that was really hot. So I'm like, dude, this
this guy is fucking creepy, you know. And I old at the time, so I'm like, I'm fucking back into wrestling, dude. I took. I took. I took some time off around the same time. As a matter of fact, like I have the dreads because because of him, Like when I saw it on him, I was like I was like, oh some light skins, they look nice and dreads, so yeah, he he he brought me back into wrestling as well. I mean we all get into that age, especially around high school, where you're like, oh,
you know, I can't watch this fake stuff. And plus, you know, especially when like I played every sport you could play when I was in high school. The only thing I didn't play was volleyball aside from that everything, And yeah, so it's like the competitive nature in me, Like I couldn't I couldn't spend three hours watching the time it was, especially when it wasn't when it wasn't as exciting as it was. It went from it got to a point where it went from me needing to be in front of the
TV when it started to me forcing myself to be in it. I was like, let me get over. And then when I came back, I went back to watch a few stuffs. I still, you know, skipped a lot of shit. But yeah, yeah, it was around the around the bray White. So when that happened, bro that that ship, it was it was terrible. We we actually got the one of our guests a little two to our own horn. We got to hang out with street profits. The day right before that, our state fair was just in town.
And this is the only time so far WW has done stuff interactive with us. I mean, they just happened to be in town while the State Fair was in town. So we did like a little booth out there where we had like a live interview. People came up and signed some ship they had. They signed one of my figures back there the street profits It's it's nice, and they had like a little forty five minute thing. Then we drew
for ringside seats whoever came out. We drew for ring side seats, premium seats, and that was and then we got to go play like carnival games, like Little Spray the fucking thing games, and I'll have to I'll have to. I don't for some reason on my personal TikTok and not the baby Faces, but I have it on record where I beat Angelo Dawkins and Monte but they did that. But they did beat me in the basketball game Angela
Arms. That's That's what I'm saying, because I underhand shot it and when he looked up, I didn't read the rules it said he can't underhand shoot it. And I'm like, okay, you know I got me. But I was that later on that is set. That second day, I was I wanted to go to the show, so I was so antsy for it. But then you know the news of Bray White, and I'm like, I one thousand percent understand that they're not going to do this show, but I'm like, dude, I got ringside seats for this. I was like,
I want to go. I don't care if it's just like I would hate to go and it just be just like a tribute, no wrestling. Yeah, it turned out they just kind of stopped storyline that night, and it was was really really cool. Cody Road showed up that day and got to snag a picture with him and that that that was really cool. Funny interaction with that is is Cody Rhods. He came out and did the tribute to Terry Funk. At first he came out in a suit, and we're
like, we weren't we were at ringside. We were at the second row though we weren't in the first row immediately at ringside, but we were. We were back on hardcam side where where they have like like production people are like that sometimes they don't even allow you to stand up because you get in the camera's way. But but you can hear like the people they're constantly switching out right next to you, cameraman. The production of ww Live events are
fucking in bro the men power behind that production. And I work in radio, I work in events set up. I work in like these people have to be fucking one and like these people are constantly like whispering back to each other from switching out film, getting out positions, like they're they're cleaning the rings and stuff. But once Cody Rhodes came out, I want to get
on a ramble here, but I'm in raze. But like Cody Rhodes came out, and after he did the thing, I heard them say, we're exiting Cody over here, kind of through the announced table over there where people always kind of get speared where the time was that they were going to exit Cody out this way ex Cody stage left, And I said, I'm gonna be fucking ready for him because we're the second last row that there's only two roads right there. So he walks right behind us, and he came out
right behind me, and I got this big old I'm not scared. I'm not scared to ask any famous person, Hey can I get a picture? Hey, Cat Dap, other people freeze up. You know, I ain't scared. I can't. I'm nothing to talk that. I don't. I can't see what's ulf coming up to the bit you. At least I'll just say what's up, and I'll check their body language at that if they're just like, keep on moving, or if they stopping a knowledge of me, Hey, what's up? Hey? Mind if I get a picture, But
if they're moving, hey, what's up? Big big fin. Cody seemed in a rush, so I kind of knew in my head, I'm not gonna ask for a photo. I'm just gonna like dap them up. So he came by. I'm like, Cody, what's up. We made eye contacts, so I extended my fist to him and we did the awkward like fist the hand. He wanted to shake the hand, and by the time I realized he was shaking the hand, I went for the hend and he
realized that I went for the fifth. So he we docked, you know, playing and then like damn bro, and then he just kept them walking. I'm like, is that gonna be my memory? Cody Rhods Tonight I got I got to do the awkward thing with them, and he came out for a dark match later on that night, and I told my buddies, I'm like, I'm staying because Cody Rhods is doing the fucking He's doing the babyface. Tory's staying and doing He's going round, especially here in Louisville and
ov W where he started. I knew he was going to give a promo, and that's exactly what he did. God on, this is why I started little and went around the whole thing. While I was right there, I said, Cody, can I get a photo? And I'm not scared. I just asked. He said sure, and then I took it, And you can't be scared, you know. Yeah. I just feel like like they get they get so many people asking for photos and sure that I'm like, let me, let me not sure it's in the right setting.
You see him like at a restaurant or something, sitting down eating, But they're like, hey, mind if I count a quick selfie real quick, And I'll say, nah, I don't feel like, oh that's good. I appreciate I'm a big fan, and they respect you for respecting that, respecting them. Yes, they'll hate you if you just keep on the picture, you know, that's where they kind of yeah, and and and it's
understandable too. At the end of the day, these people are humans just like me and you, and they go to a wrestaurant, they just you just want to eat and relax and have a drink or something like that. Leave them been alone. Man, have you had you ever met any famous wrestlers out in real life? Either just happened like either go to a meet and greet or just like kind of just running you're in town. I met the Rock in New York, No way. Yeah, yeah, I was.
That's coming off the top rope. That's a hey, man, you meet the Rock before you get in. I was counting classes. I was skipping classes a guy, guys call it. And I went to to to thirty fourth Street. I was, I was trying to go to you know, to the stores and all of that. Pierre Jordan was coming out. I remember it was the Jordan eleven that were coming out. And what the North Carolina colors why? Yeah. And I always used to go to the
Full Locker that's right in the corner of Madison Square Garden. So I'm coming out of the store and I'm walking through the front of the building and he was going in and he was by Surprisingly, he was by himself, and so it was this this was before the movies and all that I'm talking about. You know, it was a kid and there were people standing by the by the door and stuff like that, and and I was like, your Rocky. He said, what's up, kid, and then we just stopped
and he dapped me up. I didn't know. I didn't know what the fuck to do it. I'm like, I don't want to wash my hand for this whole hand and ship. I mean people, I pick on the Rock a lot. If you look at on the bit, I picked on him a lot quote quote unquote. But when I say the wrestling gods, I used a picture of the Rock because yeah, that's that's my favorite guy man aside from Michaels is the right. So I met him. I met Shawn Michaels. You know, he wasn't even wrestling. I was. I
was working at the Starbucks. It was during the time that he wasn't wrestling. I worked at that Starbucks for like three months, brok And it was one of those Starbucks where there was it was a bus station nearby. Uh huh, So I guess that he just got off the bus station and try to get himself, and somehow I was the only one that recognized him, and and I kept the reasons. I like, hey, Sean, what's up? And he like, hey man, you doing and said he was
like which version of Sean Michaels was this? Was this lazy eyeball Seawan? Or was this like was this Summer Slam comeback Sean? Or like this is? Or was this attitude fun era Sean? No? It was, it was, it was. It was definitely Summer Slam. It was. It was that time where he was retired, trying to become his act. He wasn't wrestling, he was trying to become his new self. And I guess he gave me done not of appreciating appreciation for not blasting his name out like
some people's awesome. And the other person I saw real close by was I saw a stone cold real real close by when I was my dream bro. But that's one dude that if I see him, I would have to stop him and be like, bro, you know? And who else? I know? There's one more I can't remember, but yeah, man, I'm when I was when I was working in downtown New York. You see a lot of them. Man, it's working. It was amazing most of the
most of and most of those guys are really really nice people. When you see, oh, you know who I met and had like a five minute conversation with me right now. And that's what was the talk with man, like bro. The talk was like I was like, yo, what's tough enough? Tough? And he was like, he was like, man, let me tell you he very videos. Now do you subscribe? I think I was the first subscriber. I feel like I was there when there was
like six hundred subscribers. Yeah, And he was like the name tough enough is not tough enough for what goes on on that show and the type of condition that you have to do and all of that. And it was actually after his his his WWE stuff and all of that, right, and he would last thing he told me, I never forget it. He was like, he was like, I was like, I gotta get back to work. It was nice meeting you and all that stuff. And he go like, all right, man, you have good days, say you blessed,
and remember make good choices. And I will never forget what Mayven told me, you know, make the choices because now now as a as a as you know, a grown man with kids and a wife and stuff, ain't knowing his story. And I put it back together to the time when he told me that it probably meant a lot more for him to say say that
to me than me listening to it. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy because it was more like him saying, you know, with him selling into himself, like you know, I fucked up, but you know, make good to He was kind of like, yeah, giving it to you though, just kind of like so I feel so that's what that's why when he when he when we watched the videos, you see he tries to give a lot of advice and stuff like that, and so people like, oh, you
sound like you're trying to push it or whatever. Me personally, I'm like, nah, that's him. That's how this man is. I mean, that's graz It's what kind of gets me in the conundrum because it makes me think when we kind of go back to thinking of I mean, for for for for the longest time, I had the the the mindset and if I want to just go listen to like a wrestling podcast, like I don't want to listen to like a schmuck like myself. I kind of want to listen
to someone that's done it in the business. And there we live in the era where people are taking like dirt sheet people's people that's never tooken a bump, people that's never like done anything in the business, and we're taking like either their opinions for granted and or either like people that just commenting on Maven, you're doing this but to me and you can seem like, no,
he's just like he's just a pro in the business. There's anyone that could speak on the ship, it's him, right, I mean, who, who the fuck are you just because Sean ross Sap told you he was a bad guy. You know what, my I'm very controversial. I don't know how you feel about him, but we got me into wrestling podcasts and what I love and maybe we can deviate off this. But hate me as much as you want to say. I think we've talked about this before. But
like Vince Russo, I'm a Vince Russell fan. I follow him, he follows me, shout out Vince Russo. I've tried to get him on the podcast before, but he's a Vince you know he's not. That's a dream podcast. I've had Al Snow on Al Snow's on his show a lot. If I right now, Maven and Vince Russo are my are my elusive ones. I'm trying to get them at Stevie Richards. I've learned a lot from I don't know why everyone hates them just because, I mean just because.
And he's even talked about like people give me ship just because I didn't write their wrestling characters how they wanted to. And that's exactly exactly. One way to see it is he he was unconventional, and he was he was he is. Let me stop saying what he is. He is unfiltered, and he's gonna tell you. He's gonna tell you things how he see it. He's gonna give you his opinion now what you want to hear. And I guess that's what I like so much about him, exactly because in the way
I'm the same way. I mean, I'm not no professional, but I like to brag about how, you know, out of my last forty two predictions, forty were right. So so I tell people, man than Meltzer, probably I'm like, I'm forty out of forty two. I could brag, yeah, so, but so imagine a guy like him, you know what I'm saying, And regardless of how people see it, that guy has
my respect. Man, I love that guy. He's a fun listen, he's he's a brash, he's got that, he's got that New York accent, and he just kind of I fucking love I mean him and Cornett can't stand it. Well, I think there's more. Cornet's a fucking weird or eyeball cornball. I like, as a Vince Russo stan I want to hate him. He said something like the craziest things that these this guy said. He's wanted to piss on his grave and people what I'm talking about. I'm
like, you guys are sick. But inspect Jim Cornett for what he's done in the business. I mean, he's a fucking Cardian, He's a he's a mark that only knows the business of professional. I don't know what he would be if it weren't for the business. Arrest. That's his whole identity in life. So that's why it takes that Shiit seriously good for you, I guess, But like when you're like Vince Russo, especially when you're growing
up. I mean you lived in New York at that time, and especially like this is MTV spring Break, crash TV, like this is fucking what's Howard Stern in your face? And Vince Russo is trying to keep up with that and we're coming from the days where he was. I mean, your your time was passion Cornett from the Mounte and double J Jeff Jered exactly it was. It was. It was well respected, and I I love Jim Cornette's rants. He's funny. I love he's right most of the time.
But you know he's just a a he's a very angry man. He's very passionate. Yeah, absolutely, he's very passionate. Let me let me tell you saying though, you know how you said when you started, you know much like us, like we don't we're not professionally, yeah, you know, commentators and stuff like that. And I was the same way. I always wanted to listen to podcast, like I wanted to have a wrestler, like a good wrestler, let me have his podcast. And I got stone
cold right, yeah, and I loved it. But someone that does podcast in Spanish told me he's, like, yo, the best thing that you could do is listen to somebody who grew up as a fan of wrestling do a podcast, because you're not going to get the point of view of that wrestler. You're gonna get the point of view of the company of a fan of the company. So you're gonna get you A wrestler could have been there, but they could talk about their experience. They were too busy leaving their
experience. They not They might not be able to give you a history rundown like a fan like me or you could do because we didn't. We weren't just fan of Shaw Michaels. I could go. I could go for hours talking about you're gonna take her in stone call I know of them and then so those are the people that you want to listen to. Yeah, the only thing I require for me to listen to somebody doing the podcast is make it make sense, because if you're gonna talk some ship that just doesn't make
sense, I could not I could not agree with you. But if it makes sense, it makes sense. Yeah, exactly. So me personally, it might be controversial, but me personally, I think wrestling. Wrestling fans
that are logical are the best people to host a wrestling podcast. Yeah, absolutely, it's it's it's just more or less because I mean, imagine giving some of these people that just comment as casual or just comment on your guy, like the people that we mentioned them one of like four different title changes from the World Heavyweight Championship. I mean, how crazy back and forth their
podcast would be. But once again, like I I respect, everybody's kind of got their own opinions, but I just more or less try to have to. I like that, you know, I've watched this. I like that. I like to know where this all is going. And that's always what's been my draw to like wrestling, even as I've gotten as I found out that it's not real what like it's once I got to the part where I understood it's not real, like I was more fascinated with, well,
fuck, how do how do they do the production? How do they make this? Like? How does the Undertaker We're going to fucking count he's not there anything? How did they make me believe how Kane throw his arms down in fire? I was like, this is great. I want to know every how do they orchestrate? Like how do they have like seventeen people in the ring? And how does this guy know when to move to this guy? And how does he know to take a super kick and take a DDT
then it's his turn to get through? Like how do they how do they put the And it's brilliant. When I hear people in the business like talk about it, I'm like, oh, how do they build this superstar? How do they do that? Why do they market to do that? A lot of people hate them. But the first wrestling podcast I listened to was Bruce Pritchard something uh was Something to Wrestle. I think it's called Something to Wrestle with Bruce Thompson and I have to listen to him in a long time.
But like I mean, Bruce was there. He has a lot of stuff that I didn't agree with. You was there so like he could tell me how the promotion was in this and especially he hates it when Conrad would read him like the rumor and inn windows surrounding like the wrestling dirt sheets, and he goes, we're wrong, this is what actually happened. They don't know what they're talking about. That's a thing that he can agree on with. Vince Russo can agree on and fucking Jim Cornett can agree on. They
all can't fucking stand each other. They can't stand each other. Yeah, let me ask you a question, Go for it. Who who wrestler or manager or promoter, however you want to call it. Who would you like to say? I can't wait for this guy to retire and make a podcast. Oh I would. I would love to hear because I mean I loved hearing stone Colds. I loved hearing every good. Stone Cold was my favorite growing up. Like I mean, there is nothing like Stone Cold. So
like listening to him, like all of his stuff. We are doing the Broken Skull sometimes when he gets appeared on the Peacock and then just when he used to have just a regular show all the time. I absolutely loved his But I if there's anyone I could probably listen to now, and it's I didn't love him a couple of years ago, but I would just love to hear him talk now. It's I came on to like him. But Paul
Hayman. I guess I've never been the biggest Paul Hayman fan for whatever reason, but just over the last couple of years, he's a great storyteller when he when he talks he's a great story. Bro. That's the only podcast I want to listen to. Broa podcast I'm not listening to. I'm not listening to help but Paul Paul. The thing is that Paul has been grinding and behind the scene in wrestling for so long that I would love to hear
just what this guy had to say. This dude fake his age when he was fourteen years old and fake that he was a promoter just to be backstage. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, can you imagine the type of stories that this guy could tell me? He's the real fake it
till you make it? Yeah, Yeah, definitely, so Paul Paul we in agree with that, Paul. Yeah, I mean have you heard him do like the stories where he's like doing the stand up and he's talking about like where he he does a really good job of when he's like not in front of the cameras, behind the scenes, in front of like the paying marks, in front of like a closed circuit, like like how he's talked about like maybe brock lesnar fucking ended the streak and who's gonna tell Broccolet he's
gotten those Q and A sessions where he's gone out there and said, like, i've worked with this guy is or I mean, might have seen the video where someone said Crispin Wall is my guy and then he fucking roast the guy for the next five minutes. Yeh, why Hey, he's like I love Christma Wall this way, this way, this way, this way, and like he's I just love to hear him ramble. I would love to hear him. I don't know why, but for the longest time, I
just I just did not like him. And even even in the beginning stage of the Waynes thing, I just did not get it. Now I gets he's the wise man. I always he's he's fitting into his he's he's at his best right now. I've always been a heel guy, so I always love pulling. Always, I've been your cut, cut baby face. I've loved stone Cold. I absolutely hated when he's hurted heel. I loved it. Bro Oh my god, I I was. I was just sitting there like, I mean, yeah, he's got the title, but like,
what's he doing with a huge, huge, fucking scena Mark. I was in huge John. I couldn't stand. I could have still seen if you if you look, if you look at my videos. I said it. I said that, I ended. I started respecting Sina and this last run that he had when he came back to the SmackDown now because now he did stuff that I expect every other legend to do, which is come back,
use your star power to put the new guys over. Yeah, and John Cena did that, and and he he earned my respect, and I was like, okay, now now I now he's been doing it for a long time. Yeah, And I I was just I was that white boy that wanted to be I was that white boy that wanted to be accepted, you know, so like I wore I wore that ship I wore when he came out wrapping, I love that. And then when he went into like he went into chain gang scene, I was all on it, bro. I
wanted to be John Cena and everything. I think it got to the point where I'm like, we're I'm like, all right, John Cena's I knew that they were pushing him what he wasn't gonna fucking lose anytime soon. So I felt comfortable not watching WW for a long time because I'm like, my
guy, John Cena's holding it down. I remember coming back a year later, and this is when seeing punk got really really big in the Summer of Punk, and he was still kind of like a man like around the time when I was watching, But all I knew was s my guy Seena. So I'm like, yeah, I'm saying he's the best in the world, you know, I know John Ceena hear me. I haven't watched the brug programming like a year. I'ven't seen all the wall breaking. I didn't see
the pipe bomb, and I didn't understand that. I'm like, why the fuck yeappened? John? Now? I like John C when he was the prototype. Yeah, when he was the prototype that was I liked him. Then then start off here in ov W baby yeah, and then once he became once like when he got to w W and I knew they were gonna make him the phase of the company, I'm like, oh, I know, I'm not gonna like this, and and I didn't. And you know, maybe it's like you know that my wife said, I'm a natural heel
guy. Yeah, but I just I just couldn't run with it, bro, I just couldn't. Who would you say is your favorite heel of all time? On the baby Faces podcast, It's ship my favorite heel of all time. Yeah, yeah, honestly, it would have to be Razor Ramon Razor, Yes. And the reason the bad guy, and the reason is because the first time that I ever laid eyes on wrestling was watching Razor Raisin Ramon and and Brett Hart Royal Rombo nineteen ninety three and his swag and all
of that. When I saw it, I was like, this, dude, this and he lies and I was like yeah, and that's what I thought. And I'm like, and dude, I was obsessed with Scarface. Yeah, I went. We all go through that, through that, through that time, and I was like, yeah, I love this guy. And to be honest with you, if you put his character like on you, people are gonna listen to this and be like, what's not I don't make sense. He wasn't that bad of a heel, But to me,
I was a kid when I saw it. Yeah, you know, and then other than that, other than that, if it's not him, then it has to be Triple h that's probably my guy. His Reign of Terror. Yeah, the Rain of Terror. It has to be Triple aged. And that's why bringing it back to the beginning, we're doing it like the comedians, how they start doing something and bring it back at d M. That's why I would like to see him JF in w W because M JF will become the next Triple H. Yeah, I could see him being that
character interestingly interesting. You you heard that hot take I have I have. I mean I feel like I could we could keep going forever. I don't want to hold you for too much longer. I have another couple of things I just kind of want to get out because you know what attracted me to your videos is we just do kind of think the same and me and me and Billy have always sort of been on it. But like he's we'll get to talking, we'll get to talk about you've expressed to me how your thoughts
on Cody Rhades is. Will get that in. But Ilex want to talk about it, and since we just talked about the rock, we'll just bring up Roman reigns, Roman fucking reigns, Roman rings, Tribal Daddy himself. I mean, what more could be said about Roman reigns. I mean, like it's it's what what's what's your thoughts on right now? I mean,
everybody we kind of talked about the whole part time thing. And I feel like I don't know why everyone's is so like shocked, because I feel like it was noted right before WrestleMania twenty five when he beat when he beat brock Lesner and unified it that he was like his next big contract. He's not gonna show up that much longer. And during the pandemic he kind of carried.
He had several TV matches in front of nobody, bro like he carried, so like he he earned these next couple of years to be doing what he's doing. So like your thoughts on him and well, I guess we can kind of like throw it into what your thoughts on what's going on with the bloodline storyline right now, because I've I think it's I think if we're at like a stand in my opinion, where I had like a standstill. But every great show, every great TV show, every great movie has always
kind of had some low parts. And that's where I'm at with it until we get to the next chapter is a fucking rock and once again we'll I'll get to there's just so much let's jump, Let's jump. So my thoughts on Roman Reigns is I'm happy with him being a part time, I think
when we needed him he showed up with was during the pandemic. You can't nobody say that Roman didn't hold it down like we were glued to watching TV, to watching w W WEE with no fans in there because we wanted to see what the hell is gonna happen with Roman reigns next, you know what I mean? The best thing that they did was let him turn heel, put a guy like Paul Hayman next to him, because if you look at the track record of all the people that work with Paul Hayman, Paul Haman
does not miss bro. The only miss Paul Hayman had was probably right back and well true so, but my thoughts on Romans is right now is a part time He's great. Whenever he shows up. You could feel the difference in a smack of show and everybody else is everybody always talk about you know they he hasn't lost the bell? Why would you take the bell away from him? Every time every time somebody faces Roman, they elevate name me one person, Name me one person that face Roman and lost to Roman, who
is not a main inventor. Right now exactly the talk about all of them, talk about all the Randy A J. Sammy saying, Kevin Owens, Drew McIntyre, they all, they those are the people right now at night a night, those people right now, that Jay Uso and they all lost to Romans. It is a common it's a common thing. So the best thing that w W has done is let him keep the belt because it's it's
it's an automatic, it's an automatic ticket self. The minute somebody comes back, the first thing that the first the first thing the fans say is, Oh, he's gonna do throwing Roman Reigns when he and Punk came back. Oh, yeah, he's gonna take the path talking about and bro, what else do you want this guy? Yeah? You know what I mean, Like, he doesn't need to be here weekly Roman Rings is not here. Roman Rings is here to this week, next week, he's not there.
But all all everything everybody talks about is when is Roman coming back? The haters? Yeah, and I like, I appreciated the bloodline. I made a semi documentaries on my YouTube channel that's a blug. I named it the storyline That's saved, that saved wrestling till this opinion, it's probably the best storyline they've ever heard ever bro till this day, till today, right now, right now, even in w W E RAW, everything is connected to
the blood Line. Everything is connected. They haven't done that for an even even this whole Drew McIntire, drewmen Tize is probably on his best years right now, and it's and it's all because of what happened with the blood Line. It's all Nick Day, It's all in there, and I think it's the best. The best story that happened is the best story that's happening.
And I see it developing more. They're gonna it's it's a little slow, like you said, But I like to use the the TV show idea behind it, where if you have a show like a Netflix show, if you if you have a bench watch, you'll see a show that has five season or six season, Season three and four is always low, Season one and two amazing, three and four you're like, what the fuck is going on? And then five and six you're like, oh, yes, we're back,
and that's what's happening. That's what's happening with the Bloodline. That's what's the way I see it. And it's the same thing I see with Cody Roads, which a lot of people seem to think I hate Cody. I don't. I hate the fact that w w EE is portraying Cody. Yeah, the same way with you, dude. They they overs and the last time that they did over exposure to somebody was Bianca Bianca right now, we love her and everything, but Bianca is not a hyped as she was three
years ago. But it was the same something that on several times on this Yeah. So, and that's what happened with Cody. Survivor series came out. They annown Survivor Sirius. The first picture that came out was a picture of Cody's face. Maybe people like me and you that know a little bit of history of w w understand it. I asked, Oh, his fans, why do you think my problem is with him with his picture being the
first picture to promo Survivor series? And nobody could tell me, right, And nobody could tell me what his picture was there either until I tell them the reason why his picture is there is because his father came up with the with the with the with the with the war game match. His father came up with it and this is his first war games. But w W didn't spleen that to nobody, So what does it look like to people? He's just being overexposured. And then when Danna was Royal Rombo, what was the
first picture that they gave us again, Cody? And then you're not doing anything with his story. His story is There's so many things that you could have done to keep developing history and it has been understand still for a while. Sure, but I don't have no problem with him, man. I think if there is a babyface to carry the company, it has to be
Cody, nobody else. Yeah, I think when I talk about the Roman Reigns and Cody Roads are probably the two biggest professional wrestlers at the two biggest pro wrestling stars on the planet right now, whether you want to, if you want to rate it, I mean, I'm a Roman fan. I'll go ahead and rate it that, but I will. I mean, it's just my I don't have a problem with Cody either. I mean, I'm
happy that he returned. My whole biggest thing. It just felt like they felt and assess the need to want to just kind of shove him in and shoehorn him into the main event so fast comes back. He wins the World Rumble and this I'm more jaded just all because I know we're going to get to it. But for years, for years, my man, I have been so I've been wanting the Rock to come back. I've been wanting this fucking store I've been wanting. And my girlfriend gets she's been tired of it.
I'm a babe, the Rockston comebacker. But for the and I thought last year at the World Rumble everything that we're leading up to it, I had a guy on you may have heard of him. I don't necessarily know Billy Battye. He does like dirt sheet talk, so he has really really somewhat decent information and inside. But if you remember uh Raw thirty in Madison Square Garden last year, they had they had all intention of plans, if you're a remember, to do a Roman range of Knowledgement ceremony. Yeah,
that got changed last second to do the Sammy's Ain trial or whatnot. But from what we heard that everything was down near in place for the Rock to come back, and the Rock was going to have all the family or the Roman was going to have all the fans remembers listen to. This was gonna have all the family members there and everyone was going to fucking acknowledge him.
The one person that wouldn't would be The Rock's mom and that's where like gave her ship and that's what planted the fucking seeds and then yeah, rumble and that would have been a great story. That would have been. But there was a lot of things with with the Vince the vincement Man ship resurface last
year. From everything that I was told, the Rock and Sena were they didn't have wanted nothing to do with the name of Vincement that while all that ship was going, they're more loyal to Vince m man than they were than Triple H was going in taking over that. But while they didn't want their name attached to w W in Vince McMahon, while because they were, they were Vince's main dudes and they knew that Vince would take care of them more
than Triple H would. So I was under the impression I went to WrestleMania last year. I went to l A and and I was I bought tickets when they came out because I'm like, this is thirty nine, this is
a bloodline story. It's in LA the Rock, the fucking Rock is going to be there, I think, and then they just the way that they just keep building this and keep building this, and then just Cody Roads comes back at the Rumble and then and I'm like, they changed it that the at the very end, it was going to be uh that match him and Romeraines and Kevin Owens at the very end, it was supposed to open the show, and then they changed it through all Rumble was an opening match and
that was going to be the very end. So I'm like, I don't know what the fuck is gonna happen. I don't know Sammy's because they did a fantastic job of telling Sammy's ain and the Bloodline story beside Sammy saying and the Bloodline story has probably been the best story in the blood Line because it gave it. It gave it a depth that you that you were not expecting, like you thought it was gonna be like a one episode thing. And then Sammy saying, you know, bro, I love Simon Sanejmerico before that
and after that I loved him even more. Yeah, And that Sammy Saying character gave Jay Us a huge left as well. Yeah, And that's the thing with with the blood line. It's like the more you bring in, the story gets better and better and better and better, and the baby faces just become bigger and bigger because it's all about we want to take the bloodline out. And that was it was a great story. That's that's more or
less. Why was like, so Cody wins a rumble and it's like, okay, like so we know, so that's happening, and then like everything was like so he comes out, and I knew that they were gonna run with Cody for sure when he starts talking about the dad thing and I'm like, all right here, here, here, it's gonna we're gonna give him the time. This guy has no business being a part of the greatest story that they've been and he's gonna end this. Like I just didn't like that.
I wanted. I like Cody Rhodes, I like his entrance. I like him. I think he looks he's a star. I love how he made himself and came back. I just like if anything like that, Like they just they just hot shotted hodgepodge that whole Roman and Sammy's story all into a meaningless elimination chamber pay per view that I that I couldn't even watch my coast because he didn't even watch. He's like, I mean, they're not gonna give it to Sammy's and he's like, yeah, I mean this is
meaning. I would have rather had my disbelief suspended that Sammy could have beat Roman Reigns at WrestleMania than knowing it wasn't gonna happen at Elimination. I always said that all just because they shoved code and that they just made me Cody for all that, Bro, I kept saying that to everybody at WrestleMania, it should have been Sammy. Yeah, I made a video about it, and yeah, that's probably the video I got the most dislike it. But
where I say, you know, it should have been Sammy. Yeah, you know, I honestly think, Bro, I don't think Cody's gonna be the ones who be thrown Roman anyways. I don't. I don't think it is either. I just I just don't think it is, don't. I don't see I'm saying that he won't get the WWE title. Oh he will, but I don't think it's gonna it's gonna be him. You know, it will. It will be great story if it's not him, be honest,
and but I do got it this way. I hate to cut you off that this way, and maybe we can kind of, maybe we can kind of you can get back to what you're saying. But I mean, Cody Roadse is just as old as Roman reigns is, and you would ideally want your golden goose, this guy you've been building up. I don't even think that they know who they want to diffrone the Roman reigns. Now,
you know, you would think it's got to be the next guy. That I mean, is Cody gonna stick around after he takes for another five years? Once again, he's just as old as Roman rains is, So like what do we do? I tell I tell people, I tell people all the time, if Cody becomes a champion, he's gonna be transitional. It's gonna be that time where you need a babyface to be a champion until the next heel is built up, so then it gets back to the same kind
of Moud situation. And honestly, he deserves a little better than that. I think if Cody got the bow, he deserves a LEAs a year. But with the patients that this people have, like the new fans. I don't see I don't see that happening. They an't. It's like I said, and another one of my bit I always talk about my video because that's where, that's where I said, that's what that's my that's my that's my that's that's my my way, that's my plug, my way of speaking.
Right. Yeah, And if you're not a casual, right, if you don't have the time to watch the whole thing, your videos do a great job of catching people up and just kind I appreciate your thoughts. So I mean they plug them. So in the video I said, Cody's fans are not really Cody's fans, They just roaman haters. Yeah. Right. And the reason why I say this is because when The Rock came back that not too long ago in San Diego, you'll see people that their profile picture is
Cody, but they're saying the Rock for WrestleMania. You're Cody's fan, bro talking about the Rock for you don know what I'm saying. So, but yeah, honestly, I I don't. I wouldn't be okay. I'm you know how much I like the Rock, I wouldn't be okay with the Rock having the WrestleMania match. I don't see it. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be okay with it. The only way I would accept the Rock WrestleMania is to a stand Romans, so Roman could break Hogan's Hogan's record, That's the
only way. So you're not interested in in that match, is what you're saying. I'm interested in the match, but not a WrestleMania Well, so what what do you think it is? Because there's there's no I mean, me and me and me and Billy have talked about there's people that Australian government or not whatever people were going to pay to have The Rock appear in Perth
for Elimination Chamber. The Rock and Roman Reigns in this stage, especially once in an now chasing Hulk Coogan and I think Roman Reigns is gonna end up at this point. W W wants more newer people on their record list, on their so I think at this point for you, in a little bit like this Rock Roman Reigns got a year ago, I thought didn't have to
be for the title. But if we're just gonna make this for all the mark this has for the for the title passing Hogan's sake, and even if we just kind of know that Rock's not gonna this could be the biggest match they've had since Hogan Warrior, and I think it's only big enough for one pay per view, and that's WrestleMania. I could see it. I see it, trust me, I see it. I also look at it from a from a from a business point of view. Right, so WrestleMania sells
itself, you don't need to sell WrestleMania. Rock Versus Roman Reigns sells seventy seven thousand tickets in Australia. Say what I'm saying, knowing, oh shit, we're gonna watch the Rock versus Roman Reigns. That sells seventy thousand, seventy thousand seats in another continent. Plus I would also I would also argue, but just saying that the Rock is just going to be there is gonna put seventy thousand seats, it's more or less the ad revenue that's gonna generate
that city for the year. And we can even and approach his idea. I've even heard someone talk about it like w W has been very quiet on ever since he caught out Roman Reigns a couple weeks ago, they touched on it with the with Roman Reigns, just kind of laughing it off that Friday on SmackDown, and really haven't talked about it since. So did you say they're even gonna make it? Do you think they're even gonna make it this facet wrestleming? I think that they should. But who's to say it won't
happen at next year's wrestling? I don't. I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon. If it does happen, like I said in a in a business point of view, give it to Australia because you also want to open the doors to other countries where you want to go and do an event and be like, yo, look at what we did in Australia. You know what I'm saying. But I don't. I don't see it happening. When the last time that The Rock came back, he came back because he was
promoting something. This time he came back, What was what was the big deal in the promo that he made? Iff Like, what was the word the key word that was used a lot? It was United, United, United, United, right, And that same day x FL and and and I don't remember the other league became United Football League, the uf L, the UFL, the UFL and XFL merged and he became United Football League. So this is why another thing is the Rock has been hinting this idea of
going of getting into the government. You understand what I'm saying. He want to he want to be a politician. So you get Jender Mahle and a you people promo. You understand what I'm saying this is. And this also goes to how good gender ma Hall is to get all the people to stand up and chanting. You say, you know how crazy you gotta be to get that, So you get that riled up, and then you give him the Rock. And now you gave people this idea of oh ship the Rock.
Just know the Rock defend the United States. Yeah, And that's just the That's just the way I see it. For for for a while, the Rock is gonna be popping up and doing promos and still hint the Roman ign stuff. Because you got to think about the Rock is very strong, and he got the he got the muscles, he got the size and all that wrestling condition doesn't just require muscle, So it's pretty out of shape in
his promo, right, and I know you heard that. Yeah, so I don't think he will he will be able to condition from here to WrestleMania to be able to have a WrestleMania main event match that this is not a fifteen minute match, which what I'm saying. Yeah, so yeah, man, people ask me where I see that match. I see that match in Summer Slam. Okay, that the next next year SummerSlam, Right, Yeah,
I see that. I see that matching Summer Slam. I see that match after Hogan's record being broken, and they don't have to They don't have to wrestle for the for the belts, because what's the point of you taking the boats from Roman? That's a part time to give it to even a bigger part timer, does That's the Rock? The Rock got too much stuff
going on in his life to be a WWE champion. Yeah. They did the year long promotion with uh once once Rock fuck seen at wrestle Mania against him is they did that the very next episode on Raw, and they did that whole year promotion. I would think that they would probably have the same energy with this match, But once again, like I just wish the seeds would have at least been planted more or less a year ago, because I mean you just you just mentioned it. The Rock either politician businessman. Also
at the same time, Black Adam Flock, the Rock's image lash. I mean, the Rock is always going to be richer than fucking ninety nine people. You know, he's always gonna be better than us. But like he's all about his image, his ego the Rocket. There's one thing someone told me. If there's one thing that the Vincement man or that the Rocks should be grateful for in this life, it's Vince McMahon because man let him leave
with quote the Rock moniker. So the Rock is allowed to use that moniker and has stayed relevant in that crossover because of that, regardless how you feel, regardless how you feel, pal Yeah, but he has the image. Last year XFL was terrible. He's coming out in that tiny shirt in front of like nobody s yelling fucking XFL and then you have Black Adam flopping. I thought that this is where you start, and that a year late, and then who knows what kind of condition he's going to be in next year.
I just I just want this match because it goes back to I wasn't really I did see the Scena Rock match when it happened, but I missed out on the build up for all that I didn't. I came back. I want that again. The next closest thing I had to that is Roman and Rock and everyone. I want that story. I don't care about the fucking match. I want that story. Yeah, and yo, let me tell you something. Some of some of these things happened because of the wrong
decision. That's that's what XFL flopping the way it did. And and when he came back and all that, they they did a big, big mistake and the XFL. So the Washington team, right, the defenders weren't the undefeated team and was if you look at the numbers, the only team that selled out every week. He should have done that. The championship should have been held here in Washington, d C. Especially because the Redskins sucks, or the Washington football team, and so it would have been if he would
have done here, it would have been perfect. But that's that's besides the point. I just had to. I just have to say that aside from that, yes, that that Rock and Roan and Roman Reigns has to be a year long promo and that voices in the air promo it hit different, Bro, I'm telling you, like, it has to be something out of this world. It has to be something that has to do with family. And yeah no, and no damn own belt unless the person that I think
does gonna throne Roman has the belt, which is solo. Okay, that was gonna be my next question, where do you think we lead with it? I mean, it's got to be intense family, I think I I and I think a lot of people just even thought with the Rock coming back, that that was gonna be the end of it, Like He's gonna be the Why would you have the Rock? And I never thought that the Rocks should beat Roman Reigns. I mean, I love the Rock, but I
don't I want Roman Reigns to look good. My I want Roman Reigns to look good, uh in that match. And my biggest thing is is this is a storyline surrounded around their family. Wouldn't Rock come in? And when you think about Vince McMahon Powell and his wet dream, like it's even before the tribal chief thing going back to me in Philadelphia, right when he wright God, they send the Rock out there, do everything they can to save Roman reigns, and it doesn't matter. I even think at that point they
were just praying for like they had this in their mind. We want these two to fights more than ever with this whole story. And he's he's obviously, I mean, he's been an ass, he's been like a dick, you know what I'm saying, And he's he's tore down the family j fucking left, and it's it's bro. That's the way. It's funny that you brought up that Royal Rumba stuff because I thought that The Rock could have used that in the promo, even trying to co sign you out of time and
have the people turn me. Yeah, you know no. But the Bloodline is a is a story that's been about this functional family driven by greed and power. So the only way of uh, any story and any bug of any general that has to do with family and power is always ends in family. So I I think it's it's just how it goes. It's always that
one character that's closest to the to the mean bad guy. Since the beginning of time when Solo showed up, Solo has been the only person that Roman fear if if Solo touches him, He's like, oh, my bad guy? What I'm saying? So they telling us that, they're telling us that then you had, uh Solo come and completely completely destroyed John Cena. Mm hmmm. He said he destroyed John Cena. Bro may last match Bro And and there's more connection to that matched that a lot of people didn't see.
Oh so, who's the who's the wrestler that you compare Solo to the most, Like when you think about Solo, who's the who's it's it's got to be who's the person that that made it impossible for for Marga to become I'm a champion? I mean who was it? John Cena? It was John Cena. So that whole thing, it's like, it's it's it's just so much into it that people are not seeing. And it comes back. It comes down to make a good point, right, it comes it comes down
to long term storytelling. That's triple H mindset, long storytelling, storytelling. And yeah, I think it's gonna come to a point where Solo is the one that's gonna thrown Roman reigns, and and that's gonna be the time that we're gonna get the last Roman rain babyface run is again solo. Interesting. I think I've thought this for what because there was a couple of months ago where people thought, you know, there was reports of Roman having a babyface
run. But Roman's doing one hell of a job just generating heat because when he gets you Roman chance, they're not thinking anytime soon to just change baby face. I just kind of wish that they would have done, and I mean we could just some people are probably just even tired of just the word the bloodline, but there's just so much more that you get. There's not that you can involve. Trinity's involved Nya Jacks? Why is it like she?
Why the bloodline story is always when it's gotten to like mid parts, when another family member has been attached to it, that's when different layers start to feel fun. We've had too many times where it's just been either solo or one of the usso's interfering that we would kind of need that extra extra one. Why not a girl this time? Why the Rock didn't they have
didn't they plant the seed with Paul Hayman talking to the Rocks. I mean, Roman's about the win and it's fucking Naya Jacks that pools l a night out of the fucking thing and whoops his ass or something. How much bat there's there's so many things. There's so many things. You gotta also think even in other wrestling companies are on the come up. You got Jacob, you got you got my Man and and Silla Sila too, who is coming up? You know Magus Sonya you gotta ya, gotta ya, gotta stay
tuned to that, to that kid man that this next level. And you know, it's so much that you could do with with the bloodline because of how big that family is and how involved and wrestling they are. You know a lot of people saying Trinity is gonna come back for Royal Rumbo. I
don't see it. I could see, like you said, her coming back at some point to save Roman and now and now they completely they completely switched everything around and it wasn't she's Jimmy's wife and remember before she left w w E they were running a program where they were wrestling together and they were shown together and all that. So you know, bro, this that story could go so many ways like crazy, it's crazy, it's crazy, and I don't know, man, I'm here for it. I don't care how he
was like, oh, we getting tired of the bloodline. But then I know an episode, an episode come out and they got something to do with Roman rings and everywhere. He's simple like Roman Rains is a mob boss, He's a dick. He like manipulates his family. I've been really confused about Elijah is just like once again, I've been on the whole Rock train and I knew not a producer, but I know a writer for n w A
that I want. I don't know if these everybody got fulled because the Rock never showed up, but there were talks of Rock was at SummerSlam they were doing. I thought that the guy that should have taken the title from Roman, it should have been Jay. It should have been Ja, but they
they ruined that. They already had him face two times even in the whole like Jay Jay going to Sammy Zay and like trying to listen, and that's where all the disillusions should have been, like if Jay's an next tribal chief. Okay, So Summer Slam they hold the tribal combat match and there was
like nothing try combat about that whatsoever. And maybe I just thought, like I just thought I thought that there would be kind of be more to that, and whatever happened, it was kind of like a weird match, weird finish, like Jimmy comes back, and it was just like it what they've been doing with that, Like I I've been enjoying Jimmy's character a lot more. I So I love something. They get it. You might see me
tweet it before, but they get into some of these monikers. It just don't sound I just don't like, I just don't have like when they're talking like, hey, so I was just in the back talk and the main event Jayu so and like you don't talk to people, you know what I'm saying, Like, I just don't like there's I don't get main event from Jayu. So he was fantastic in the main event when it was just him
and Roman with no crowd and they like they knew how to storytell. But Roman was able to transition and do the story to in front of a crowd very well, where Jay still kind of looks nervous and even Jay to this day still kind of plays the coward like like yeah, like he's like I don't like, I don't like that. Jimmy's fucking killing it, right, but at the same time, he where are we at with the blood Line?
Those two? I mean, I know we're eventually seeing the yeek sure to know you were ob the leading to a WrestleMania as right, That's that's where he's going. It's definitely gonna be uh Jay versus Jimmy WrestleMania match. It should be. I think they didn't. I think they they went into this and they didn't play it right. I think that I think there was some type of confusion and SummerSlam lets, you know, because you know, Jimmy came back, he betrayed j and then he was trying to get back
into the blood Line. It kind of didn't make sense, you know what I mean. So that was that was a little that was a little hiccup at the writing, I guess, and the usos were still hot, they still had a lot left on the bone as a tag team. I thought, Bro Bro and but that's the thing. I guess they they trying to because the Bloodline is mostly signed to you know, because of the brands and SmackDown, they try to bring some of that to to Row. But people
were already on the Jay bandwagon because you know he pinned Rooman. Yeah, so we gotta we gotta, we gotta love Jay now because he pinned room Actually, I think Jimmy is is better than Jay and the mic if you ask me. The character development with Jimmy is amazing. Bro. I love what they're doing with Jimmy. He was like, oh, I didn't do with Jimmy. He looks he's on his on him tripple and Jimmy, that's exactly what he is. And you know, they and the noy you know,
and eventually and eventually get there. I think the way I'm looking at it right now, the way they're gonna get that to happen is Jimmy gonna cause Jay the rumble at some point, and that's how we get them going back and forth with each other. It's the only connection. It's the only way I could see connected. Because my my first idea, right I do. I do certain videos every once in a while what I call crazy fantasy
booking, but this is that, this is the idea I had. So the idea I had was Legacy two point zero with Randy Orden, Cody Rhodes and j and the idea was that each of them would have a match with a different Bloodline member to prevent Roman, to prevent them cheating or interfering during the Roman and Cody match. That's the That's the way I saw it, So Jay versus Jimmy, Randy versus Solo, to the point that the first
the first Bloodline member that that Randy had a match with with Solo. So I'm like, well, why fuck why they're not giving me They not giving me this in the pay per view it makes sense? And how does the legacy he always ends with Randy where Randy betray him? And so when I tell my friend that when I was saying the booking here like, so, how would you have Roman winning? And I'm like, that's when Randy turns on Cody and becauses Cody match and Roman walks out with a champion. Is
that it is the only thing and and that's the thing. The only way that I could see Cody is a champion and making sense and being interesting is if there's a feud between him and and and Randy Ordon, it has to happen. It has to happen. It's the only it's the only story that makes sense for Cody Roman Roman doesn't make sense for Cody does. This whole ship doesn't make sense, but it doesn't Randy, Randy. Randy makes more sense against Roman than than Cody does. Sure, yeah, body was just
kind of fitted. I get you could go pet and play the if you want to do then there's more than one. If you want to do the more than one wrestling family and if you want to do that, but like that, that just isn't doing it for me. And in my opinion, dude, Like I was there. I saw it WrestleMania thirty nine. It was one of my favorite matches ever. I know a lot of people don't like the ending, and I fucking loved it. I I was so shocked.
I thought Roman Rains was not winning, so when he fucking won, I was giving it to do. I was, oh boy, but like I've already seen that match, I'm not interested in again. Bro. The night before WrestleMania, I did a video where I said Roman is not winning today, people calm down. That's where I came up with the with the Roman fucking Rains because that's how I started the video. I'm like, I'm like, after WrestleMania, just get to know that the next WrestleMania main event.
There's only one name doesn't guarantee, and there's Roman fucking Rains and it happened just like that. It doesn't make sense for them to take the bottle away from Roman, and it doesn't, you know, I mean, the closest person if this is a I take if code. If Solo is not the one to take the bell away from Roman, I could see. I could tell that the only person that could do it and be a transitional champ
is l A. Knight as a rival series sometimes sometime back then. And the only reason why I say that far is because l A. Knight has to become popular outside of wrestling. First. I mean, for you to be deep Guy, the Roman reigns guy, and for you to be deep Cody, you gotta be popular outside of wrestling. L A. Knight is huge within wrestling. And this is where I think after WrestleMania, I could see ll A. Knight walking out of there with the with the United States
title. Yeah right, Logan Paul feud was I feel emminent between those two, Bro. Just think about the the following and the reach that Logan Pole has when you put this guy, Roman reigns I mean L A. Knight to because him. And now you're walking out of here, and you know who l. A. Knight is. So now the next time that you give him a bell, you give him, you give him the universal title. Then it makes sense now exactly. You know, then he got the star the star power to do it now. And yeah, man, I
don't see I don't see Cody. I don't know. It's nothing against him, like I always say, it's nothing against him. You call him the American nightmare. I call him the American fairy tale, because that's what it sounds like, like all this this guy comes back and we all love him. Now let's give him the bell. It sounds like a fairytale. It doesn't sound there's no there's no climbing in that, there's no hard time. He lost the Roman reigns once a Roman. That's the rest of that.
It happens. I like the idea that they were kind of going like with him getting his ass fucking kicked like the rest of the year, Like that's him, Like how when after rock low, after seen a lost of Rock, like his life just kind of spiraled and they more or less kind of
played into that. You could have done that with Cody, and Cody's a and Cody is a pro I mean, he's like everyone is just like well, I mean, if he doesn't the title belt, who's gonna be I mean most of these wrestlers don't give a fuck about the belts, theer title proper. They don't like carrying them. It's just an extra luggage like this means something of the marks. But Cody's He's got generational wealth, his family is fed, and that's he's comfortable that w W does that little that does
mean a lot to him. I'm sure, but I'm he'll get it when he gets it. He's not gonna throw a fit about he knows he's in for it. He's just gonna look out for his family, his American his American nightmare a nightmare belt. So is good enough? You know, brobout something you said earlier, Jay, Right, Yeah, I think Jay could have been a main inventor. I think it got to that point. The whole image of him being the main inventor got lost when he lost to Seth.
That was the that was the worst thing they could have done. So the way to play it out, so Seth beat Sammy Sammy Bush and Seth Rollins could have been a pay per view match. Seth versus j Uzel could have been a pay per view match, and they both got a raw match. Right the way that you could have you could have saved right Jay as a man evnor is disqualification. That man should have been a DQ. If you were gonna have Drew McIntyre come in and beat the ship out of Jay
the way he did, why let him finish the match. Do it for the match and he's still a man in vendor. But now not only did he lose to Seth Rollins, and you know on the Monday night raw where he did four finishers on Seth, he lost the seven and after he lost, he got his ass beat. Yeah, so now no, what now he just looks weak? Now what you know what I mean? Like, what's your story? Now? You already beat your ass. Then after beating
your ass, he got another title shot and lost again. So you lost, and you were supposed to be the right hand man for the last year and a half to the tribal chief. Well now you just kind of look like a a little bit of that power rubbed off on you. You know, you lost to the guy that lost to the guy. You know, you lost to the guy that lovest to the guy. And the only way I could see that they could build j back up is Jay becoming in the
continental title. Okay, I could. It's so Gunther, you haven't been gun The thing is because of the way they have been playing Gunther, right, Gunther is not gonna be the type of person that you could have him lose to a wrestlers wrestler. Yeah, you know, he's gonna have to go losing someone like wild Card, a wild card that's popular, you know, and and Jay if there's nobody that plays the wild card in the ring like Jay does the spear out of nowhere. You like how the how the
spear became a one on your finisher. I don't know where that this kind of came out of nowhere. And he doesn't really do a great spere in my opinion, not great, but his super kicks are good. But he's popular enough that he could elevate the popularity of that belt a little beyond where Gunther has taken it. So I could see him become an icy title. I don't see him as a as a w W champ, and you can you can plant those seeds easily. I feel like, I mean, you
could still protect Gunther in that situation. It looks like I don't know what w W is. It's either w W and like I talked about it earlier, maybe these marks getting WW. But where they're so already carry and Cross has had his new faction come out and people are already talking about like, all, how is are they going to separate from it? Like let the story play out? So everyone's like already like imperium ready for that to implode.
So like, and Luke Kaiser has been doing some work, I mean in the absence and gut through the last couple of weeks, he's he's done a really really good job. So I can think you can still protect Gunther in that situation where he loses kind of getting sidetracked by what Ludwig is doing or something that's that's exactly where it comes. That's exactly what that's That's the
only way I see it, the only way I see Gunther. There's two ways that I could see that they do gun through One he's becomeing, he becomes the world heavyweight champion, and then he just he just show up a wrong And like I've already accomplished. Take this intercoms and I see about five for it. I'm the world heavyweight champion now and now there's a tournament to when the that And that's how you protect him. This dude never lost.
He just dropped a belt because he became the world heavyweight champion. Or the only way I see it is he's facing somebody popular betrays him the only way because the only way, the only person that could have beat him in the match technically was supposed to be Chad Gable. Yeah, he's the only one that was. Yeah, they didn't put that. I thought, I thought cry instead. Yeah, but yeah, that's the way I say, I know. And another thing that what you said about let the story play out.
People need to understand, right, Triple H. You could tell with evolution, you could tell with legacy afterwards. Right, And something else I'm gonna mention later on Triple Ah is a huge n w A fan. Yeah he was. He was a huge n w A fan. That's why you get the the heels are breaking records. That's n w A. You get the long storytelling. That's n w A. That's been n w A since
day one. If you don't know that about n w A. Maybe y'all need to go and watch those those times when when Rick Flair was a champion, he was you know what I'm saying, and the w W E or a W without the n w A exactly. We've had people come on the show, and we've had on this podcast that Ten Pounds of Gold has made its debut. We talked to EC three before him Moose so that they had made their way on the podcast, and they've also said that this may be
one of the biggest titles ever. So you're not wrong. People do not slander n w A. Okay, bro, let me tell you something. Roman Reigns people. You know how you usually say, oh, characters that become other characters and LA nine. It's like another copy of the Rock and and this and that. If you go if you're breaking down to that right and you take kind of the story of Roman Reigns, remove the bloodline a little bit, but keep the title Reins, the heel and all of that.
That's Nick Oldest. So it's like it was the perfect person to put next to Roman, because you're putting a Roman next to Roman. Bro. So when when trippled, my bad, I'm sorry, I just I got too excited when Triple H brought this guy, Like when he had on Paul Piers, you know that that told me, okay, this guy really love n w A. Yeah. But when Nick all this game came as, I'm like, okay, I was right all along. And Nick in his role as a GM dude like he fits it. He looks like a stud.
He he's the only person to put the bloodline in place like he his little their power struggle between one another is exactly what you need of a general man, like you need someone that puts them in their place a little bit.
And and the thing with that is right that Nick Old is when you're looking at him and the physique and everything, and if you know, if you know his story, his his long title reigns and how great, how good of a champion he was and all that, it gives you that, uh that Roman, you better stay in place because this makes you know what
I'm saying. So it's it's a great story. I think at some point I don't see him wrestling, but I think Nick oldest Nick oldis is gonna be a pitable character and the demise of the like He's gonna be there he's gonna be like that Ben's McMahon to Stone call back in the days. I can see it happening between them, and and I could see him pulling it off, and you could tell when he came back he's like, Oh, I'm not the other guy. Yeah, I'm not just the general manager.
I'm the guy. Yeah. And so he's letting you know, that's a great way to put And you mentioned Adam Pierce too, Adam Pierce another fucking n w A one. Yeah, Adam Pierce, Like what about that teas when they had, like when they were guiding each other's that's a money match and not a lot of people are talking about bron w A champions, Like imagine that. And like you said, triple H is uh the mark for n w A. He's And I talked to Daniel hill On here, Daniel
hill A shout out to him, my guy. He's ex n w A U producer. He actually wrote for Young Rocky, played Dusty Rhodes on You Rock on Peacocks. So like this dude's huge in l A, but like he's also a huge n w A guy. And he said it too, he said it, there's gonna be anyway because I pitched the idea. I mean, Triple H loves the n w A. What is it any way that they make a deal. They've done it with with bringing Mickey James on
before. What is what if they ever have like an n w A championship match at WrestleMania, like how I could see it and he he said it should either be something find a way to have it be Pierce and all this. I think they should somewhat wrestle It's been like ten years. I think since Pierce wrestled, all this can still go or I mean Triple H is that that's about the Triple H has never won. It'd be a Triple H woman. Yeah, yeah, I would go to see all this and like
you would agree. But a lot of all this in Pierce is a money match. A lot of people doesn't think, yeah that's a that's a that's a guarantee money match. Yeah, that's a dream match. And now yeah, man, So I'm actually glad I I had this conversation with you because I've spoken to people that don't really know much about n w A and they
don't know Yo. The same way Tony Kahn is a freaking w w E Mark deep inside Triple Ages and is an n w A Mark And and when I found out and I realized, Yo, this guy is really is when he did leg loved Rick Flair, he yeah, when he did the Legacy, and then when he brought Adam Peers, I called him poor Pierce earlier. I don't know why I told something back about when I saw when when I saw him bringing Adam Peers, I was like, Okay, yeah,
you know what I mean. And like I said, when when I saw him like older, I was like, oh, man, now we're really getting Now, we're really getting to this point where it could be Raw versus SmackDown because of the history between them. Yes, you know understand what I'm saying. And it makes it's not just a bunch of people putting on Raw and SmackDown shirts. It makes and just invading SmackDown the week before Survivors. Yeah, no, it makes sense because you got two guys that were that
were head to head for a long time. Bro. And I'm excited about about Nick. I like, I like the the character that he's playing, which is his character. Yeah, and man, I would love for them to include you know, an n w A Madge and that show would be awesome. Bro, you've seen his wife, Mickey James is now one of the head town developmentals at Ohio Valley Wrestling. Yeah, it's great to see
those two like back into you know, just like doing their thing. They can become a contribution if they're not wrestling, just because they have their minds to the business, or if you're getting into the business. Those are two people you probably want to listen to. Definitely, Definitely, that's you're around an embarrassment of riches when you're on there. Dude, this has been an incredible conversation. We got we gotta do it. We gotta do it again
because we gotta keep Let's wrap it up with just a quick prediction. I get we're probably gonna have an official prediction episode next week. Me and Billy if if, if, maybe we can find some time to fit you on, come in, come in? What what what do you think right now? Early favorites right now to win the world? Run was it's still see him Punk? We have possible seth rollins, maybe injured, may not make it to wrestle Mania forty. Does that ruin? Does that ruin? To
see him Punk? Thing that gunder or Drew has his character. His character makes sense to possible. There's a lot of drama being built up right now in the world. So early favor my prediction is this and and and and this is why it was great. So when they made it the Fatal Four, the Fatal Full Way with Roman, listen to the names. Randy Orton, l A. Knight AJ Style already eliminated three people that you want to root for winning the Royal. So you already got that out of the way.
Now in reality, it only lives you with see him Punk and Cody m You know what I mean, I personally, personally, personally, I would like to see see him punk when only because they have been playing and this is my predition why I think he's gonna win. They have been playing the own the story telling. Mm hmmm. He came back. He came
back in his home, his home, his hometown. He decided, I'm gonna stay in Raw, in the place where he did the pipe bomb and where he had his last Raw event, and he's gonna have his first televised match and the last event that he that he was part of with w W, which is roy and Rumble. So putting all those togethers like, okay, seeing punk, Yeah, I can see seeing Punk winning Royal Rumble. I think I think that's probably the and and and Bill even said the same
thing. I'm probably I'm thinking that's where I'm gonna switch up. We'll definitely see what happened, and I'm interested to see what happens with. Who's your first thought? Who was your first my first thought before because I never thought that seam Punk was there. I never thought that seam Punk was coming back. It wasn't until like the day of where people are like this could happen where I'm like, I can fucking see it happening. So I thought I
thought it was gonna be gone through. I thought they were. I thought it was he was gonna he was gonna come back and fucking wreck it. And I thought he was. I thought it was gonna be Gunther winning the World Rumble, then Cody wins the Elimination Chamber, and then well, Gunther wins the World Rumble Challenge is set for his title. Somehow Cody gets an elimination chamber. That's his path the Roman, and that's what we got. So that's what that's what That's what I thought too. I was I was
rooting for for Gun third the whole time. I really thought Gun there was gonna be the one to win. Oh, it's crazy. This is something crazy, right if you go to my I don't have it on my Instagram. This is before I open my Instagram. Okay, when I started doing content, I have it on TikTok. It was on June last year. Uh huh. I did a video saying how things were gonna play out so people could could shut up. And this was the day before the first episode
of Collision. Okay, I said, the Rocket is gonna come back and face Roman Reigns to save to save the blood line. My next line in that video was Triple A is gonna get over his feelings and bring see him Punk back so that he could win the Royal Rumble and get the main event, the main event, the Rustling, the main event that he always wanted. A year later, it's playing out, you know what I'm saying.
So I don't know how I predicted that, but yeah, man, I now I'm just not not just want to root for it because you know I like to do my receipt videos. Absolutely absolutely I want to see it happen, just because I mean they've done They've done a great job with kind of jumping in obviously, people I seeing Punk has ruffled some feathers with coming back. I think people it's I mean, maybe the seth Rawlins may have been over dramatized, and the the Drew storm now may have been over dramatized.
I do think that, you know, they possibly had hard feelings. But these guys, especially over there at the w W, they're professionals, you know, they're they're professionals, and they're gonna they're not fucking uh Luke Perry's on and and just like just calling you, calling you out on TV. This is real Glass and see him, like seeing Punky just what there's one thing he doesn't stands childlessness and that's the reason he felt he left w W
in the first place, only end up and joined with that. And he's at that stage of his career where he's like, I just fucking can't anymore, and that's his way back. So I mean guarantee, like maybe see maybe seth Rollins wasn't the happiest that he came back or Drew, but they're willing to make money off it now, and they're willing to say like that.
All seam Punk wants to do is just like, hey, don't fucking adam, don't hang man me, dude, just if you're gonna bury me, tell me you're gonna bury me. So I know what they expect, you know, and they they'll do that and that's how they go. I tell you one thing. I think the only promo and the only time that I saw Seth rollins and I was going crazy and rooting for him was on that promo with se him. Like when I saw it, I was like, oh my god, I love this, you know. And he did
a great job. He's and him switching to a more serious because the whole laugh that's not his character. His whole laugh. Do you see that as a serious dude is way more palatable to me. Did you see the video where I did compare him to the Joker and what which which which version of the Joker he was playing? And which version of the Joker he can become? And it's it's it's playing out like that. And that day that he had that face to face with see him Punk, he didn't look like no
baby face stuff. He looked like a heel. He talked like a heel and he looked really good. Oh who you think is gonna win the Women's Royal rombo? Ah? Man? That one? I I it's I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be miss miss Lynch. I think it's gonna be Miss Rolins. I'm not the biggest Becky Lynch fan. It's never got her. Like, I don't like the accent. I don't, I
don't. I just don't get the whole man thing. I don't like how they've literally made her like they've shown her like this is your new stone Cold. But girl, you know, like if they like, they do a lot to tell you who are superstars? Are who we see as our big superstars, And they can do a lot through video packaging. I remember Raw thirty last year, they did the whole video package, everything going through and of course the last image you got to see of Raw thirty is fucking stone
Cold doing that. But the second to last image is Becky Lynch with her nose broken. I'm like, is that Like that still doesn't hit the same to me? Like I don't like I'm saying this is yeah, you see the other people, but you see the name I give her it's Becky through sixteen. Yeah, you know, you know I want to It's crazy because I like her. I'm not a huge Becky I like her, but I won her at the WrestleMania main event for my love of Rhea. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. I loved that. That matches good, and it was. I think it's the only one that could elevate Ria at this point. She already beat Charlotte last year at what should have been the main event of Night one of Wrestling, because there's no yes, the the the USSOS versus Sammy Saying and and Kevin Owens was great, right, but we were expecting that from them, Charlotte versus versus Ria. We were not expecting that match to be as great. One of the best women's match I've ever
seen in my life. Bro, I think it should have been the main event of that Fresh night. But whatever, I'm happy with the main event that happened. I think for you to elevate Ria the way Triple H is doing, because that's what Ria is. Triple Triple you know what I'm saying, Ripley friend of the show. She came on the show about like a year ago, and so she said she got I called her mommy to her
face too. She mentioned we did a word association game with her and when we said Women's champion Beyonca Laeric, she said, I want that title at WrestleMania. So she called her shot on our podcast though. But you know, you know what you need to do on the editing and clip it right, Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that, and beating beating Becky would be that that last step for you to be like, Okay, she's legendary already. Yeah, you know, she's she's it's already.
There's not one wrestler right now. That's that you can say, Okay, she could beat real probably Jade, but they haven't. They haven't pushed j that way. And I love what they're doing. I'm expecting. I'm definitely expecting her. Yeah, yeah, I think I think she's gonna be part of the rumble. I'm expecting Lift Morgan to come back, sure, the rumble. That's initially, we hope. Initially that's what I thought was gonna win the Rumbo bro Live. She had a good showing last year. I
mean, she's she can you know, she's living. She's been living her life definitely over weird, hot slash sexy stuff. Yeah, getting caught smoking fucking pot and it's like she's there's something I don't know. I we love living on this show. But I think I think it probably does play out
lunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. But because that's another thing I called last year the after after WrestleMania, I said, the next feud and the next match that Rhea should have WrestleMania was supposed to be
Becky. I called it a year ago, and when it played, I always a happy bro because it's like I love it, Like when I put this match, like when I think, yo, I'm telling you, even when I'm at work and I'm doing what I have to do, it work, thinking of like what would be a great match, How would this play out? Because because I love this ship and I just always saw Ria versus Becky, so Ria could could step up Jade. Eventually, the way it
looked, it was playing out to be EO versus Charlotte. Charlotte Are That's what I thought it was gonna happen. And then sadly got injured. Sadly she got injured, which was it was. It was missed up man. Yeah, you never You never want a wrestler to to go through that type of stuff. And now I'm running for Bailey. Man. I can't wait to see Bailey versus EO and then Bailey could finally get another WrestleMania moment that
we all be happy for. Bailey's been doing amazing character works. She hasn't been doing a lot of ring stuff, but she is just getting over just being a character character that's gonna whenever she does get in the ring, in my opinion, just means so much more. Her character development has been great. Whatever whoever is part of the booking on that storyline is doing amazing. I'm not a whole damage Control fan, Like I don't ever really liked it.
I'm a Bailey people in it. I love Io and I love Bailey, but just as a faction, they just I think they've worn their welcome. Bro. I love Io so much that I've been disappointed with the way her title rain has been going like it and it's been lackluster. Yeah, it has been right, Like you expected a little more, especially her being a triple ag girls like I expected, I expect it way more. But yeah, man, I think her pa Bailey will be great. I think
that's probably where it's heading. It's natural, it's it's what they've been doing. There's a power struggle between them now. I mean there's this this group that Bailey basically started, you know, is now uh uh she's now being outcasted. Yeah, so that's it's it's it's perfect storytelling. Dude, My guy, We've we've been talking for two hours. We got two hours straight, bro, I mean we can, I mean we can. We could just keep doing this. We gotta I gotta go. I gotta go eat
the rest of my freaking sandwich. Yeah, man, go do that, do your TNA stuff. This has been a pleasure talking now now that you have this life changing platform, the baby tell people where they can find you at dude, Hey man, Vigelini talks everywhere any social media. You can think of the sons of media that people don't even think about the much, Which is the most, which is Facebook and Snapchat. That's where I got the most followers, believe. Yeah, and you know I upload daily,
I talk about wrestling stuff. I'm not just some mark talking hard working man. You up with you? You upload very well edited videos, guys. Yeah, and I just thrown together. Yeah, I I take time and pride and in the editing I do. And again, man, I appreciate you for the in Bye. I not a problem. I'm gonna be self inviting myself into your podcast from now. Maybe just become the next reoccurring guest.
Bro. I would love to have you on soon. We'll see what our plans are for next week, because I definitely know that we want to get some sort of world rumble thing in above. Yeah, we'd love to have you back on in the future. Again, dude, thank you so much for anytime you know we take. We keep in contact and hit me up. Man, anytime that's right here, I already know it. I'll uh. I appreciate you stopping by. This is a special long edition of
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a long, a long conversation. Yeah, but again, bro, I appreciate you anytime. I'm here for you and get me up. And yeah, he talks. You can go find him and you can follow us on the baby Faces podcast here on iHeartRadio and that free iHeartRadio app lies. We'll talk to you against soon. Brother. You ain't no man pressure go wondering later. You did too, Yeah,