Austin Theory + Summerslam Review

Hey, this is Almighty Bobby Lashly and you're listening to the baby Face Podcast. Hey, this is Brittle and you're listening to the Bros. This is the baby Faces Podcast. How's it going on? WAB super Start Accountic Warriors Shavis and you are listening to the one only baby Face Light. Friday Night SmackDown is making its way back to Louisville at the Young Center. It's going down August twenty five, and we have the United States champion, Austin Theory

joining us here today to talk about that and a whole lot more. Of course, Austin, thanks so much for taking the time today, man, Thank you guys. Absolutely, And you know, we've always been big Austin Theory guys on this podcasts, and we don't just say that to everybody, all right, We're not just blowing smoke. And it might be a little rare for you to find fansy yourself, considering you like to go out there and talk your trash and all that, but we've seen the potential in you

from day one. We've been big Austin Theory guys. Actually on Raw last year when it came to Louisville, it was on commercial Break. You were in the ring and we were front row and we're out there yell and Austin Austin theory, Yo, you demand. You gave us a little wink and a point. So yeah, Austin Theory acknowledge the baby Faces podcast, right, got a lot of those? Are those are cool little moments? Uh?

You know a lot of people don't know that, like when we get to go to break and you know, if it's between an entrance or something like that. But it's a good little time and kind of interact with people and kind of really read the signs and see what's going on around there. Yeah. Sure. So, like I said, last year, you were on Moday Night Raw when it was in Louisville. Now a year later, you're on SmackDown, Through the Through the Draft as the United States Champion.

What's that kind of transition been like for you going from a raw superstar SmackDown. Uh? Well, now I work on Fridays instead of Mondays, So that's cool, you know, Uh, I guess most people do things on Fridays though, So it is what it is. But you know, it's interesting. It's a it's a schedule switch. I'm so used to you know, leaving on Saturdays and going to a live event and then doing the live events Sunday and then showing up for Raw to bring it home for the work

week. And now I just kick off, you know, my work week on SmackDown and then do the live events and I'm back home. So it's interesting and it's definitely ah, it's a different roster, so which is good, you know, new opportunities. Yeah, I think that's uh, it's it's really neat how the WWE schedule works. And you can find yourself working on Monday night, and you can find yourself working on Friday night. You find yourself working the whole weekend. I mean if you include all those live

shows and everything else like that. And we don't mean that. We're just a bunch of wrestling fans here Austin, So we just like the Pepper, a bunch of wrestlers with a bunch of random questions. Here, what a Summer Slam like for you? From from from your perspective is one of the highest drawing summer slams ever. I know it's a lot different from last year. You you were still holding the money in the bank and you're actually challenging

for the title that you have now, the US title. What what was Summer Slam like from your perspective, and if you can, it was a bit different last year in Nashville. You're kind of working outside and that you know that Southern humidity is and now you're kind of inside. So well,

what was the whole Summer Slam experience like for you this year? I would say this year, honestly, it's it's just crazy to see how much, uh, like the Summer slams have grown, uh and just how big they are, you know, like even this year, Uh, it just feels like a WrestleMania when you walk out there. But for me, man, I had a blast. You know, anytime you can be on the Summer Slam card and be a part of that history, you know, whether I'm defending my title, or I'm in a Battle royal, or I'm in another

kind of match, whatever it is. But just to be, you know, one of the guys, to get on that show and be a part of that history is uh, is always cool with me. This US title around that you've been on has been going for quite a few months now. You've got to have a lot of challengers along the way. And your biggest one was probably at WrestleMania this year, right with John Cina of a legend, returning a guy that you've been compared to a lot in your time in

WWE. So what was that like facing a guy like that? Was that your ultimate dream opponent or is there somebody still out there on the bucket list

maybe for you for you to go one on one with one day? You know, that whole moment was a full circle moment because you know, anybody that knows my past knows that, you know, John Cena was always that motivation for me and that inspiration to become a WWE superstar and to finally have that moment in the ring with him and you know, me being on one end and him being on the other and us disagreeing and leading to that match, Man's there's no better place. Getting to do that in front of my

entire family in Los Angeles in the ring with John Cena. That was a really cool moment. But looking on ahead, because I always got to look forward and look past that for me, I would say, uh, my next one Roman reigns, that's uh, that's definitely I'd love to be in the n Yeah, I mean you know, we got to get ready for tribal theory. So I love that, dude. I was actually in I

was actually in LA. I attended my first WrestleMania this year, and it was really awesome to see you, know you opening up the show and you know it just kind of knowing your story and how I just said, the parallels you and seeing his career. I mean even people have gone so far as to say, I mean, hell, you kind of look like a prototype John Cena when he was kind of growing up here in ob w in Louisville, Kentucky. There's a lot of parallels like that. Is there anything

that you know it either before or after your feud was Sina? I know that you probably met him in the past. Has he ever given you? What kind of words of advice has he given you? Maybe either breaking into the business or even after that WrestleMania? What he uh did? Did he did he give you the tip of the cap? Is he is? Was it like I'll see you sometime soon? Hopefully there there's no blow low blow interference or what? What? What was that post match? Was Sina?

Like? Uh, post match? It was? It was a really cool moment. He just told me to enjoy this day and enjoy this moment. And uh, literally there was no stress that day whatsoever. Uh, I wasn't nervous. I was just everything that prepared me for that moment, everything that I had to you know, go out there and perform. I felt

like I had it. And uh that that was something really cool. But something that you know, John says that you know, you can say a lot of people say, but it's so true, is you know, just not being afraid to fail and uh, you know, betting on yourself and just going for it. And a lot of times that's what holds a lot of us back from things. Is us just you know, worried about this

or that. And it might not even be you. You know, you might believe in yourself, and just because one person has an opinion, it bothers you and it sets you off. And that's the biggest things. Just don't be afraid to fail. You know, it's gonna be a ride, it's gonna go up, it's gonna go down. But h just continuing to

press forward. Yeah. Absolutely, And you mentioned that you're all about looking looking ahead, looking to the future, right, and the next thing on that checklist has got to be your US title defense against Santos Escobar on SmackDown coming up here soon. And you mentioned being on a roster with with new guys. Santos is a new competitor that that you're going up against new challengers. So what's it gonna take to to knock off Santos and keep this US

title rolling? Well, you know, I thought I had Santos figured out, but man, he just you know, did you see what he did to his own family, right, mysterio? I mean, that's that's just blows my mind. You know, he injures his own role model that he says he cares about so much, and it's a dangerous man. But you know, good guy fear he's gonna come in and wipe the matt clean with this guy. So don't worry. I'm here to save the world again.

I think that. You know, I haven't really thought about that too much because we're sitting there watching that match and even Michael Colt trying to throw jabs at you. I mean, we got the US Champion, the youngest US Champion, the youngest mister money in the bank. He's not allowed to rent out a sweetbox by himself. He has to throw jabs at you. I

mean, we're we're, we're, we're. Were you happy at all to see maybe Michael Cole kind of taking his talents to somewhere else raw so he doesn't have to, you know, kind of throchtatee at you all the time. You know what. I love when Michael Cole has something to say because it keeps Michael Cole relevant, you know, And what better way to do it than, you know, using me every week and trying his best because it's just it's hilarious. If Michael Cole got in the ring with me,

it was just it's not good, you know. So he gets it. He's safe behind the desk with his little headphones a hard but he knows when those headphones are off and he's not behind that desk and he's walking around backstage in the United States champions backstage, he knows who world it's in, you know. So I think he's smart enough to not want his own selfie moment, right. He definitely doesn't need that one. That's what I'm saying, Man, we need he needs his little box back so he can hide in

and talk to him. Literally, listen, bro y'all are hating on Michael cole Man's got a WrestleMania win against Jerry Lawler. People forget it's true, right, So that's his thing. He always uses that. He says, uh, yeah, but are you undefeated at WrestleMania? And I'm like, that's a good When the Michael cole I was like, dude, I was like, man, but what happened to you when you've got in the ring with John c You? Oh that's right, you got covered in barbecue sauce.

Remember that. I think I think it's I think it's funny theory. I don't mean to step on your toes here, Billy, I just kind of want to ask the question that I'd like to get from a lot of wrestlers. I mean, we all we already know how the Internet is, and a lot of people wouldn't necessarily have their finger on the pulse of what's going on and who's supposed to get pushed right, who's the ones getting getting

shoved down everyone's spine? And I guess I guess we can kind of say that you're kind of in a unique situation, kind of just like how we had pass guys like Drew McIntyre or even the tribal chief Roman reigns right now, where everyone kind of understood that, you know, they were kind of the next guy. They were kind of they were kind of right hand man's events. They were kind of the guy that was going to get that that

new push. But obviously they've their characters had developed over the time, and obviously you had the selfie gimmick when you first came in. What's it like kind of shedding that skin of being the chosen one and kind of finding your own path? Man, I think it's all just a journey, and everybody has a separate journey. I think for me, just my whole life, I've known that I just have a big purpose with this and uh, you

know, just finding it. I'm twenty six and you know, like you said, there's it's been just a wild journey when I look at it, you know, being on the independence to having who I was there, to going into NXT and being in the way and having that and then go into the main roster and being this protege that's just trying to listen and do the right thing but they're not the right things, and getting handed opportunities where I'm

you know, becoming the United States Champion and everybody's holding me up and you're watching me flow through all this even the money in the bank character and then turning into the character that's all about the now and where we are now is the greatest United States Champion. It's just it's accumulation of just flowing, you know. And it's just one of those things. I think you just got to watch somebody evolved. And really, if I think if somebody constantly lets

themselves evolved, you could find you know what you're looking for. And it all just comes with time too, because at the end of the day, I think you know who you really are is what helps drive that, you know, And that's something you know when you look at Roman Reigns as the tribal chief. He is the tribal chief. That's him, you know, and it's just turned up to ten. So it's just you know, growing and finding that and you know, who's to say, you know, I'm

not there now. You know we're we're one situation away from seeing that change. It's just how quick everything changes. And that's just how it is. You know, we all know on the internet it's uh, you know, tomorrow you can be the greatest thing in the world and then stay you could suck. You know. I remember a time that the internet said, Man, this guy, he's getting burried. He loses every match. When's the last time I lost the match? And people still have something to say?

Now, yeah, so to me, as long as there's something said, I'm doing what I need to do. But if there's nothing being said, then there's a worry there because people say your name for a reason, and it's whether it's good or bad. You know, Austin, this has been

awesome. Man. Want to thank you again for taking the time. One more question that we like to ask any wrestlers coming on the podcast that are going to be in town here soon, you know, Like I said, Friday Night SmackDown gonna be at the Young Center in a couple of weeks, August twenty fifth. Maybe we got some listeners that are listening right now kind of on the edge about going to the show. Maybe give them your little sales pitch what they can expect if they show up to SmackDown on August twenty

five. Well, SmackDown is my show. And if you don't know who I am, I am the greatest United States Champion of all time. If you know who John Cene is. You can ask him who I am because I smacked him at WrestleMania. And that's what I'm gonna do to somebody at the Jump Center when I pull on down for SmackDown. It's going down and it's a town down all day. Yes, sir, that's awesome. Awesome. I notice in the background here and I kind of brought something. You

have WW Action figure I have from Walmart myself. It's high demand Action figure. I've been loving wrestling here. It's been making me as a kid again, So I'm getting back into collecting Action figures. What's it like to see this on the shelves? Man, dude? It is Uh, it's pretty wild, you know, even man, just every pair of gear that I make, that I that I have made, just seeing it, you know, on a figure and knowing, wow, now it's a minute, It's

it's official. It's really cool. And I don't know how many times I can say just how I get excited just seeing a new one every time. You know, once you get one, you just want to keep seeing them. You're like, all right, what's next? What about this one? What about that one? Right? But he's Austin Theory, where the Baby Faced Podcast you can see Austin and all your favorite SmackDown super are at the Yum Center on August twenty Austin. Thanks again and we'll see you soon.

Man, yep, thank you guys. This is the greatest United States Champion of all time, Austin Theory and you're listening to the baby Faces Podcast only on iHeart Radio. All right, let's get into Summer Slam twenty twenty three went down this past weekend at Ford Field in Detroit's Austin, we're kind of talking about how the Detroit theme, like it was kind of cool, but it didn't really fit the Summer Slam vibes right, Like we've had like the

classic green and blue logo back in Ruthless Aggression. Then it kind of went to more like a cartoonist logo and PG era and never since then, it's kind of been hopping around. Last year, what I thought was great with the Nashville theme that they did, but I don't know, something just something

just didn't hit right with this one. Yeah, I don't know what it is too, And I'm glad that we kind of like we're not alone in thinking that I saw that online that a lot of people kind of seemed to be thrown off by it, you know, the whole Detroit and I get at the Michigan is like muscle car like hardworking, Like I get that, but like I just but like I just I just also think of like cold and winter. I don't know, And that's the weird thing is is Michigan

is known for like a lot of lakes in their summertimes. But I don't know if it's just the projection on just the rest of the world or the rest of the United States, where I just I just associated up North cold and just like shitty football with the Lions. So like, I don't, I don't. I don't necessarily translate that to to wrestle and last year's theme with with the whole pinball and Nashville, like that felt like, uh the Neon. That felt like the biggest party of the summer and something was just

missing. And I also kind of feel the same way about the new WrestleMania and Philly. There's like nothing we talked about it before WrestleMania. We can always kind of signify like spring break and then we're just kind of about to jump into the summer. And I don't get the whole Philly Liberty Bell America thing that they're doing for Also, Philly is just like a cold, shitty

place as well. I just don't think of the biggest party WrestleMania, So it's odd, but I guarantee those cities are forking up millions for all that. Yeah, I mean that's it's a business. At the end of the day, you know, they're gonna do what they gotta do to make the money. It doesn't really matter what the branding of it's gonna look like. They're they're still getting that paycheck at the end of the day. But yeah, this one seemed like a little bit off tune for what SummerSlam usually is.

Nonetheless, that doesn't, you know, affect the show as a whole. So let's let's start to get into the show here, talk about the matches like we do a typical review episode here opened up with Logan Paul and Ricochet. I don't want to spend a ton of time on this one. I think what we all expected to happen happen with Logan Paul going over these two great athletes, and it was on display in the ring. You got anything to say on this one. Otherwise we getting weak. No. I

kind of the match was kind of what I thought it was. I thought it was gonna be like, kind of more high flying, but this was. I think Ricochet was kind of that perfect guy to bring out the athletics. We've all we've all seen glimpses of little things that, oh my gosh, imagine if you put him and him together. And I thought Ricochet was probably that guy to do it because they don't Ricchet is a great athlete, but the way they don't care about psychology. Everything looks kind of like a

choreograph dance, and I thought everything was nailed well. I just wish it was it was just an armchair quarterback here. I just kind of wish it they would have done that. They were trying to play into the personal aspect of it a little bit because obviously Ricochet is married to Samantha Irvan, the ring announcer, and they've kind of been trying to bring that a little bit personal. I wish I wish maybe it was just the ending was weird and

it kind of felt cheap. But Logan Paul's a heel, like they just had Logan Paul's due just jump in there and just kind of cost him. I thought it would have been cooler if Samantha tried to get in there and cost Logan Paul to match and costing her husband the match on accident too,

and that would that would give him more heat. I don't know what Logan Paul is gonna do, but I don't it seems seems like they're pushing Ricochet and now looks like his heat is severely died down because last night on the other nine overaw they had the four man battle role for the ict idol and he Ricochet is now left forgotten. So well, well we'll see where he

how he recovers. Yeah, I mean, I think Ricochet is like a good guy to throw into a feud with a top star if you need if you need something right, if you're if you're looking for when your top stars get involved with somebody like he's been a program with brock Lesner, like he's he stepped up to the plate in the past. But he's never gonna be the guy that's that the program is centered around. Right. He's just a good athlete that can put on a good yes And that's fine. That's every

you know, that's a good spot to be in. Like, that's what kind of like the mis in the opposite of it, the mis you can throw in there with anybody and he'll elevate the other person on the mic and then he'll you know, give the opponent a formidable win eventually. Yeah, so you know that's a good spot to be in. You're never gonna be a top guy, but you're gonna have your You're sticky, right, You're like a you're like a very valuable part of the roster, and you're getting

constant TV time. So that's what's all about to get They're just they're just I don't know, I've never really bought into the whole ricochet. I'm not

I'm not a worker. I'm just a fan. So I mean, I can't I can tell the dude works his ass off, but it comes off to me as a fan like they were they they look like they were just dying just to do the choreograph spots just so people can say, oh my gosh, And you know that I was more obviously once you bring in the personal stuff of it, like they did with the Samantha thing, and that's

what I like in my wrestling. I don't like. I don't I don't like just the doing things just to do it just because you're athletic and logan Paul and want to show that you could do this with Ricochet. I know you can. Well, let's just see what kind of story we can tell and get what kind of real heat that we can get. And I first like I was a missed opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. The first big match

of the night followed this one with Cody Rhodes Brock Lesner. The final match of their trilogy kind of been what Cody's involved in since WrestleMania and losing to Roman and he goes over here. I think many people expected Cody to come out come out on top in this feud, and that's what he does two

to one. Ever, Brock was there in their three matches that they had, was there with the show me show of respect to Cody after the match, you know, a little handshake and a hug, and then he kind of teased it on Raw last night, right talking about how he was talking about the match with his mom and his mom says, you know what just

happened there? Right? He acknowledged you, So a little tease, a little teas at the Roman Cody and a lot of people kind of are are looking at that at WrestleMania forty and next year Roman versus Cody two, And I think they're going to continue to tease that as we move on through the months here, But Cody Rhodes is going to get involved in other feuds until he is able to go after the title again. But overall with this one, you know, Cody Rhodes, brock Lesner, two megastars on the roster

right now. They had three matches. I don't think any of the matches were like overly great, but they gave Cody something to do, kept him in the limelight a little bit, and gives gives him a big win as he continues his story of trying to become the world champion one day. So, I don't know, what do you think you think we're heading towards Cody Versus Roman at WrestleMania forty You think this is kind of the first like stepping

stone towards that. Uh, it definitely looks like so right with everything that they're presenting for everything that how they're presenting for Cody Rhodes. And I think we talked about this on or Mania preview episodes with even just how much merch they had for Cody at at the Los Angeles at the merch store, and even when we go back to Sina, we draw the parallels of white hot

baby Face Sina when he was about to get his title run. They were promoting the hell out of him, right, They had they had they had him just on commercials. They had him one show. They also had him that's when he debuted his rap album and he was coming out and like doing live you know, rap shows at raw and sing, so like you just know something's about to happen, you know. Fast forward and we got the the American Nightmare documentary that just came out. We got the good stuff that

was actually, yes, actually very very good. I guess I can get into a little bit more once we kind of talk a little bit about Cody and maybe even the World Heavyweight Championship with that we've seen a raw Cody may factor into that too, with Seth and who who knows, But it seems that, yeah, it seems like that that's probably there. They're they're you know, I think that they're probably keeping that in their back pocket. You

know, the whole Roman thing obviously they don't care. They see how Superstars criss crossed between Ron SmackDown, so we're gonna see how that works. Are they gonna give Cody a Royal Rumble another Royal Rumble win? Or is this going to be kind of thing where he shoot shoehorned into the elimination chamber and

that's how he gets a shot at Roman. I'm not necessarily know, but one of the last living legends that you that you kind of got still hanging around as brock Lesner and and brock Lesner is still one of those guys. When he shows up, you know, it means something. It's he's kind of romans now entered that category when he when he shows up and he has

a match, it means something. So for him to do that, and who else can just like double just go be a heel for like two months and then come back like brock Lessner has and no one's gonna question them, right, Yeah, So I think it's pretty cool. And I was actually telling Sydney, my girlfriend, she came in to watch a little bit of

it, and of that match, it's pretty cool. I got to explain to her the OVW roots and everything like that, and something in the back of my head tells him that these guys have known each other roman Or Brock and Cody of been working with each other for years and years and years, and they've all come from the same tree and all come from the same tree of learning. So for them to put it on it was you could just see two pros going at and they told a good story. I mean,

it's every Brock Lesner match is the same, right. I think the opponent comes out, tries to get the upper hand, gets his ass kicked for twenty five minutes, and easily usually either loses or has some sort of heroic finish. And I can see how that's kind of hard to get into, but both these guys are really good at telling a story and ring and had everyone invested. So I like the match. It's probably one of the best

of the night. Yeah, I agree, it was good stuff and I think, you know, it'll be intriguing to see where Cody goes next from here, whether he gets involved in kind of the world heavyweight title mix for a little bit like you mentioned, but they basically got to keep him occupied if it is penciled in, and I say penciled not sharpid that Cody Rhodes in Roman is the plan at WrestleMania forty, then you got to keep both

guys occupied until we can head back into that. I like like teasing it here and there like Cody did on Monday Nights, but those two should not touch each other until it's like confirmed that Cody is the number one consender and he's going after Roman and like the match is made, you know what I'm

saying, So keep those through apart. Let Roman do his thing with this whole bloodline thing that's going on, and we'll get into that later of course, but Cody's got to kind of stay in the mix on Raw obviously at the top of the card, but not like ever being a legitimate I don't think you'll ever win the World the World Heavyweight Championship in the next number of months because again, the end goal is the WUE Championship from Roman. So

goodwin here from Cody and excited to see where he goes next. So after that we can kind of breeze through this one a little bit. We have the Battle Royal, yeah, pal, Yeah, twenty five man Battle Royal Summer Slam, Yeah, and we're gonna bring back home most Pal, Yeah you forgot then Chapman the surprise entrant, Oh Moss, let's go. So what we expected here though? La Night gets his win finally some you know, somewhat of a big win on a on a Big four pay per view.

So yeah, I mean that's something that was thrown in there last second. I thought that they did a good job of kind of making you care about the last couple of people that were there and the surprise I guess the surprise return almost I don't think anyone cares, but it's it's always cool to like see someone that we haven't seen in a couple of months. And uh, they did a really good job of building up to that moment where he got eliminated. When when they when everyone threw him out, you could see

that everyone popped really hard. So that was really cool, and they had a pretty good up like pre video package to show it too. Was every superstar just wasn't out there in the ring and they just started the match when they came back. So yep, yep, La Night gets the win. Had a nice little promo with the Miz on on Monday. I can't I can't wait to see where that goes, yeah, that should be. I mean, you put those two together, give him a mic every week,

and I think you're gonna have gold there. So I like the direction with La Night. They're not, you know, hot shotting him right to the top. They know that he's over, they know he's selling the T shirts, and they're putting him in in you know, important spots on TV, which I think is the most telling sign that they see something in it. That's always been my thing. You know, I've I've you know, I'm never that one that this guy needs a title. This guy needs a this

guy's been cheered for three weeks. He needs to have a title push, and everyone is it will be nice to see La Night have a title push, But his character is the title makes the man. The man doesn't make the title right or am I saying? Am I saying it? Might say? We get what you mean either way. So shout out to my guy, Daniel Hill. I was just texting him about that, but he's he's

already made. His superstar is already enough for you to care about. He just needs to be on TV and needs to be featured more, and whether

or less that is having a title that would be great. I don't think he needs it, but he just needs to be in high profile spots where other people are benefiting off of how he's able to talk shit and how he's able to carry a storyline, and how he can also benefit of other people caring a store aline other people talking ship back to in He doesn't need to be the face of the company, doesn't need to carry the title around for

forever. He just needs to be featured and prominent. Package wrestling is all about everybody seeming like a threat at any point, and there's not a lot of people that's a threat to anybody aside from like three or four guys. So I just like living in a world where everybody is taken a little bit more seriously. And I'm not one of those fans that think in order for you to be serious you had to have a title run for this amount of

days. It's all what we always talk about on the show, character being able to put asses in seats and getting be able to have people believe in your character, and la I's done that through three different name changes in the Indies and twice in WWE. So I don't think he should be rewarded, you know, with the belt. It would be nice, but he's he should be rewarded with more TV time and and helping the product out that way.

That's just my opinion. And I mean, if you are going to give him the belt at some point, let it be a slow build so that when he finally wins it, it's a big moment. You don't have hotshot him and all of a sudden like oh three weeks pete last. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you want longevity on it, you gotta have the long burned storylines and then the payoff is gonna be that that much greater.

Then he's gonna be set up for success as the champion rather than have all this pressure on him all of a sudden of Oh, I wasn't even like getting five minutes of TV time a month ago, and all of a sudden, you expect me to be the face of the brand and carry the title. So yeah, I mean, getting a win here, I think shows that the company serious about him. Getting a lot of TV time and a prominent spot on Monday Night Roll shows that the company serious about him.

So everybody take a deep breath, all the La Night fans out there, just like us. Yeah, you just take a deep breath and let this play out and enjoy the ride. Like, think of all the la stuff that's going on, what they call the La Lord you get me on TikTok or Facebook and something that he was doing twenty years ago. Somehow still looks the same. Yeah, talks and acts the same, but he's lived so

many different lives. What do you think about the LA night, Loren, this guy, it's like he is he an NPC bro and he's just been like like bopping around all these random like Chris saws everywhere, like he literally just spawns in. It's crazy. I don't I don't know. He's a rest he's an ad salesman. He's just he's with Paul. He's with Paul Bearer, Like, how does what's this guy is he? I think that's also helped him out so much more as everyone's found out, and once again,

that's that's just all character. He doesn't need to we found out he botched U the other night on SmackDown, him and Shamus did kind of like a dangerous spot and he kind of fucked up and they fell down to the floor and he kind of botched a spot on his words last night against the minuts. But you just don't think about it. You don't think or care about that because the dudes, you believe what he's saying. I don't need a match with high flying moves in twenty five minutes to believe in this guy.

Just give him five minutes with a microphone. Yep, no doubt. I did have another point on this. Oh yeah, we're talking about surprise entrance. Where the hell is Carlito at like or all these dirt cheats just wrong. He's supposed to come back. He was supposed to. I'm back like a month ago. It's like it's done deal ink is ink is dried, Like this guys is ready to go. There is waiting from the Puerto Rico show and every everyone like you said, yeah, I remember you texted

me like here we go, bro. Yeah. It was like they inked him to it to a deal and maybe they're holding on and waiting for something for him. But it's been reported like a million times that, oh, Carlito is gonna be back, He's at SmackDown tonight. I kind of forgot about that. Yeah, me too, And that's a shame because I really I like Carlito and that would have been a great spot for Carlito. It would have, it would have, and I definitely want to see him back

on the main roster. So we'll see, we'll see if that's in the cards in the future. Next match, Shana defeats Ronda, who cares? Yeah, I want to go get pizza that match. Yep, there you go. All right, So Gunther defending against Drew McIntyre Intercontinental Championship match. What you would expect from two big guys, like you know when they're in WrestleMania with their triple threat with Shamus too, And I didn't have any doubt

that Gunther was going over here. I don't think there's any doubt in Gunther's rain until he surpasses Honky talk Man's record. I think that's obvious that they're going for that. So once he clears that, then we'll start talking about like serious challengers for the title. But you know what what is Drew Drew McIntire is kind of in no man's land, right, Yeah, Like he signed a contract recently, Like apparently they're having contract disputes and he had problems

with Creative and their direction for him. But I guess he signed a new contract and he's back, so surely they have some plans for him that he was happy with. But what is that entail? Right? Like he's on SmackDown and I know that you can go back and forth whatever. Actually he's on rall now is it? He? Is he? Because gun Gunther's on roll? I don't think who knows there? There ain't no brand split. Yeah, I can't remember, well when did Drew come back? When was

was it money in the bank that he came back? I can't remember. I don't know after So let's say he's on ralled in. I mean, yeah, maybe the World Heavyweight Championships in the future form, I could see that. I think he'd be a great champion in that aspect, you know, not not the main championship obviously, Roman and what he's got going on is always going to be the main title until that changes. But he could be a great secondary champion in WWE and maybe that's the future for it.

But you know, like I said, I didn't think this one was ever in doubt. Yeah, I kind of agree. Yeah, this it seems ww's just trying to I mean, WW with Bruno, Sam Martino, whole Coogan, you can make the same kind of you make the same kind of argument that they're doing with the undisputed title. Is ww's wanting more recent names

the top of their history books. And I could totally see when we're talking about like the Lou Albano's and when we're talking about Honky talk Man, WW is definitely try to reach out to this new crowd that they're trying to get. They want to put current superstars up there. So I think gun Through's that guy. That's a good point about Drew. Dude. It's like there used to be times and you know, probably I think it was like this

time last year where we're heading into Clash of the Castle. I don't know. I know that you didn't believe it, but I actually I thought that that was a spot for They're going to reward Drew back in his hometown, that they were gonna finally beat Roman. Then until they went on with with everything else in the solo entrance. Now it just seems like every match it Drew's in, it's like we kind of know he's not gonna win anymore, but he's I mean, he's still the pro when he's still you know,

he still does the job. I heard someone else talk about this. I can't necessarily remember, but Drew has a look, he has the move sets, but there's just something about like when he talks and he's trying to be a character that just doesn't resonate with me and I I think he might have that feeling with a couple other casual fans just as well. And I know that casuals probably only take up a little bit because wrestling is a is a

hardcore sport. But that's what we're trying to market to. That's what you're trying to get over. You want to be able to, you know, And Drew's an airport guy what they call. You'd be able to recognize him as an at an airport. But what about Drew McIntyre would make him someone's favorite wrestler? And that's that's a good question. I had that that I kind of just try to try to question myself the other day, like what necessarily about him? Like, Hey, he has cool moves and he looks

good, but like, where's when he talks. I feel like he doesn't believe it. When he's in feuds, I feel like he doesn't really believe it. And it's just I don't necessarily I don't necessarily know where to go with him. I think he just might be a victim of circumstance. Was really getting his push back in twenty nineteen with a rumble, and then just happened to have that whole whole COVID thing happened, and they were going to

strap that. They did strap the rocket to him. They gave him, they gave him eliminating brock Lesner, and they gave him winning the title against brock Lesner at Wrestlemanian front of no fans. Albeit, but I feel like that's where they thought that their window was with Drew McIntyre. COVID just happened to happen. Yeah, I mean it would be interesting to see, like how different does his career look if COVID was never a thing? Right, Like, yeah, did it play that big of a part and him not

being able to was excited during that rumble? I was too everything he was. He was hot, bro I mean he was hot at the time, and it was like the perfect sort of like the perfect storm that came together.

It was right timing with it and the right guy to go after with brock Lesner like that, they look good on you put them on a WrestleMania poster, brock Lester Drew McIntire like, that's a mark yet matchup and two guys that look like stars act like stars, and yeah, and then you know, he wins the title and he has to carry it through the COVID

era, which I think he did a good job of. But then you get then you lose your steam eventually, and now you got to get it back in front of fans, and he doesn't go over against Bobby Lashley and the WrestleMania the next year when fans finally came back, and I don't know, it just kind of like ever since then kind of stalled out. Yeah, he kind of I think he had he's still probably had the best chance

of a throw in Roman. I feel like he had one of the best matches against Roman in terms of like, oh my god, this guy's actually about to win, just because it's with everything that happened before Solo got into it. I feel like he had the best shot, and I feel like he's been kind of been cooled off since then. I don't know if Drew McIntire necessary, I don't know, maybe as a mark from maybe he does

care that he wants to be the champion in front of everyone else. But I think a lot of these guys just comes down to just put me on TV and give me a paycheck. So maybe it takes that route. Yeah, for sure, we'll see where he goes from here. But at SummerSlam takes the loss against going through. So the next match was for the World Heavyweight Championship, which we've talked about a couple of times on the show so far. Seth Rolins defends against Finn Balor successfully. I know many people were

kind of on the boat of Finn Balor going over here. I had I had no doubt my mind Seth Rawlins was going to win this match, And I didn't get where the steam of Finn Balor came from. Because looks like Seth Rollins is the first holder of this title, this new title, World Heavyweight Championship, and this is really his first program that he's had as champion, Like he had the thing with aj Styles to win the title, but ever since winning the title, it's been matches and feud with Finn Balor and

the judgment day. So is Seth really gonna just have this basic ass feud and just lose it? A couple months later, it's a Finn Balor and hotshot that whole storyline of the Judgment Day and Damian Priest having the briefcase while Finnballer's the champion, and like, does that already come to fruition? That just seemed way too fast for me. I think there is so much more meat look on the bone of Damian Priest than his sort of you know conflict

within the Judgment Day as the money in the bank briefcase holder. And I thought that if they just did this all of a sudden at SummerSlam, it just would have been way too rushed, and Seth Rollins is going to have more than one program as the champion, especially the inaugural champion. So I don't know, I didn't personally understand where all this theme for Finn Balor came from. I saw this as an easy Seth Rollins is going to retain and

move on to his next few type thing. That's interesting because I was under the impression that that this was everything with the Damian Priests money in the bank, that was all It's all gonna and they're planning, they're planning the seeds

for that eventual breakup. Hell when when Dom and Rhea were like the talk of the town with Judgment Day for the longest time, it seems like more or less they've kind of taken a back seat and they're they're just kind of there for their appearance and they're doing their whole Dom subby girlfriend type of deal. It's like kind of tugging tongue in cheek thing that's kind of working. Meanwhile, Finn and Damien are at the forefront of it. WW is wanting

Damien to be something big. I've gone on record, you know, and I'll always preface by saying this, I'm not a worker, I'm just a fan. But I just don't I don't. I just don't care for Seth Rollins. I don't care for his title reign. And as I've even tweeted, and maybe you might have been annoyed with going and seeing some of the replies of the fights I've gotten into on our on our Twitter account, but

let this be a good look. This whole Finn and Seth Rollins personally just bores the hell out of me. The only thing that's really cool is just a Judgment Day factor that's coming into it. Wins Damian priests gonna turn and Finn. Finn and Seth ron there are just two small dudes just going at it, just fighting over something that happened eight years ago, and it's it just doesn't It just doesn't do anything for me. There's no character with Seth

Rollins. Finn balor Is I think, lost every single match that he's been in since being a part of Judgment Day, so he's not necessarily a threat. Just so they were just leaning heavily on that Finn was the next guy before he unfortunately got hurt seven years ago, and I thought that that's what they're gonna do. But let everybody get a good look that. In my opinion, this is boring. Other people might but this is life without Roman

Reigns. This is when every guys want Roman Reigns to lose a title and everyone's complaining that he's held it for too long. Go and see what Seth Rollins. The fighting champion, the internet guy, the people's champion, the people that complains about, oh, the good champions number here, we need a champion. They want the fucking title defended every five minutes or something like that. Go see how relevant Seth Rollins is making this title is he in

my opinion, he's not. Dominic has done more with NXT North American title, winning that and making it a sought after title and two or three weeks since having that way more than Seth is done with this belt, just because everyone knows that this is the Romans not here belt. We need somebody, and just Seth comes across as that his whole gimmick. I don't get it. He. I was talking with someone the other day and this is I mean to stand on my soapbox for rollins. But he's not the face of

a company. Is not the guy that's it's it's it's his whole exuberant lacey suits and all that. It's it just screams attention. You don't see NBA stars coming in like that. You see like a Russell Westbrook coming through. You see the Russell Westbrook coming through the tunnel and something ridiculous, but you don't see like you don't see like the Kevin Durant and and Lebron James and the Kobe Bryant was all business when they walked in. It was just always

a six guys and the people that never saw the court going there. Look at me, look at me, I got the dress on, or I got the lacey hat on. And that's what kind of vibes I'm getting from Seth Rollins. I don't know what it's, what it's trying to make up for, but he just does not entertain me at all. I would have loved and I was hoping that everyone else would have saw me, but that

saw the same thing. But look what he's doing with the World Heavyweight Championship, like this is this is gonna be life without Roman Reigns, and it's just going to be just coming. It's nonsense challenges against guys that don't look

like from ridable opponents. And I guess now that since we saw what we're going on when Shinska Knockmore, I think that's a kind of guy the company feels that we can have him beat Seth, but just only just to lose it, to just to lose it to Damian Priests, just so Seth isn't losing to Damian Priest when he takes the title. Yeah, I definitely think

that Seth Rollins. I'm sorry. I thought that Seth was definitely gonna get past this program with Finn, but now that he's onto the next thing, he's definitely in danger of losing the title to whoever might beat shensk Damien, whatever their plan is, So from now on, I think it's gonna be a little more unpredictable of what happens with this seth Rollins title reign, which,

like you said, has been a bit underwhelming. But I think they sure he's been there, he's been, he's been showing up and all the he's been they promote the hell out of him. I know Roman doesn't promote every single show. I mean, you look at Roman Reigns on ESPN like last week, and he's all about business. He's got the suit, everything just nicely, everything just nicely laid back, and you look at someone like that like, yeah, that's the guy leading the company. Like, I

don't think that they're gonna put set that. I mean, even if they do put seth out there on like ESPN. As a casual viewer, I'm turning that on and I'm seeing Roman Reigns appearance and going, damn, I think I want to watch it this Sunday. As opposer, I'm turning in.

Let's just say they had seth Rawlins up there with the stupid laugh and stupid goggles and he has that just stupid ugly looking title sitting on with Stephen A. Smith, and I'm going, I'm going this as a joke, but I just don't get that with Roman, and that's just not Yeah, by all means, that's me glazing Roman reigns. But for all be it all of a factor just because it looks apart, plays apart, and acts

apart. And that's just something that seth Rawlins isn't doing. That's just something that like in my Wrestlers, I mean, honestly, the only Galley on rawl that could get over, like get the World Championship over right now, it's probably Cody Rhodes. And I can't put it on Cody Rhodes because you want to do Cody versus Roman at WrestleMania most likely. So now you're kind

in no man's land with that title. But if Cody had it, it would mean something because Cody has that sort of alert to him right now, then well what if you did this, Billy. I know we talked about

the American Nightmare documentary. One of the things that they tag on there from the beginning is showing that Dusty Rhodes basically had the WWE title one and Madison square guard wherever they had and it was off the count out, and there is that image of him hitting the turnbuckle and holding him up hold enough the title. Even though it didn't win. He was WW champion or whatnot for

five or ten seconds or whatnot. And that's you can history repeat itself, where set or Cody finally wins that and then gets cashed in on fight. Cody finally has a WW five seconds and then like, oh my god, like the bad luck strikes twice with these roads and here comes Judge what judgment days all back on the same page. It beat the hell out of Cody and take that who necessarily knows I know that, I know that counter predicts what I said about Shinsky. But you know, if if you know that

we could get we can go that route too. You know, my dad had it for ten seconds. I couldn't get the w W championship. So I'm coming after this one. I finally win it, but no, only for five seconds. I get fucked again. Yeah, I mean to go back to the World Heavyweight Championship to get it over as like a meaningful thing. Think back to like the last time the World Heavyweight Championship, see seemed

meaningful. It's like back when like John Cena was the w E Champion and Batista was the World Heavyweight Champion, they felt like equals, right, It felt like both guys were superstars, Whereas now it's like romans up here and then Seth and Shensky and Damien and the guys in the mix. So it's just you know, like I said, Cody Rhodes is probably the only guy that would that would actually get that title to feel like it means something and get it over in a big way. But you almost can't go that route

because of your impending plans for him and the other championships. So I don't know. It's kind of kind of in an odd spot right now. But nonetheless, Seth Roland's still your World Heavyweight Champion for the for the meantime. Next match, Bianca Belair defeats Oscar and Charlotte, which I thought was pretty shocking. I thought that Oscar would would keep rolling her title reign here, but then we get the twist of Eo Sky cashing in, So Eo Sky

is your new women's champion. Honestly, THEA it makes sense to me because the Oscar title reign, while she has a different character and it's something a little bit you know, different from her from the past Oscar title reigns. She like the women's roster is so thin at the top. She has had matches with all the girls that would possibly go after her, the Charlotte's the Bianca is like we've already seen it. So it's stale. Even though she

is a different character, these matches are still stale. So how do you how do you change that? You bring somebody else up to the top of the card. That's that's been putting in the time, putting in the work. That's EO Sky, the money in the bank winner, obviously. So now you get a new, a new face atop the card in the women's

division. You can create new fresh matchups with that. Uh And while EO Sky, you know, I'm not like the biggest fan because it's hard to get like if you're if you have a language barrier, it's hard to really get over as a character. Oscar has done a great job of it because she has all the like the the glitz and the glamour and like the the you know, the other stuff that takes away from her talking, it's just

more of like a majestic type thing with her EO. Sky has to find her niche as a as a character, but as an entering worker and like a believable, a believable, you know, a champion. I think that she can be that, but she got a little work to do on the character side. But I'm excited to see what she can do with this title. I think it's a good spot for her, and I think it was good timing. Yeah. Absolutely, I think she's an indie darling obviously.

People. I mean I had no clue who she was, but you know, when when we were there at Summer Slam last year and she debuted with the other chick, Dakota Kai, I think I think I knew just because I saw them their names in NXT, but like they already have that fan base of marks and stuff that know them. It was a I'll just go to the match. The matches I just thought kind of sloppy a little bit.

I thought I'd expect a little bit better, But the finish turned out to be amazing, and I thought Bianca for the first part did a good job of selling her knee. I think it was like her left knee that she came down on, and then when she came back she made a big mistake and was selling the opposite knee. My guy, Daniel Hill text me and said, did you see that? If I was a writer, that's that's a big no. No. Like she's getting shooed out when she comes

back, which I completely understand. That kind of goes into the sloppiness of it. But everything with the Shenanigans that ended it, all the drama that ended it, from the figure eight to Osca coming in and the mist and then missing with the kick and then getting rolled up, that's us. That's a great job. I like. I like that kind of money in the bank cashing just because you already had the story of Bianca getting injured earlier in the match. It wasn't your cliche. You won, and then you got

your ass kicked afterwards, and then you're just sitting there left. Oh no, of course someone's gonna come cashing it. It's almost like there was a second almost forgot about the woman's money in the bank, and then I'm like, oh my gosh, here comes eeo sky. That's perfect. And I thought that was really good. In whatever they want to do character building.

They at least have everything in damage control. I know Dakota kais out, but you they've obviously been teasing the tension between Bailey and EO Sky for the last last month or so, so whenever she's going to defend the title, she already has a couple of months of feud set up between her group, because obviously that's not gonna last, right and in the me in the meantime until that does implode, Bailey can kind of act as her mouthpiece. Yeah, you know, like that's perfect. Yeah, yeah, it works out

and then eventually point yep, so good stuff there, good stuff. I like that EO Sky knew WWE Women's Champion onto the main events. Roman Reigns defeats jay Usso to retain the WWE Championship in a tribal combat match. Also, I know you weren't like a huge fan of the stimulation that didn't really play on the tribal aspect that much, right, Yeah, absolutely I was.

And I guess that's other people. Even I've been on the internet, I've seen seeing Brian Alvarez and other people saying there's a lot of people that just thought a lot of people from the Hanawaii family would be here. Uh

yeah, a dull. That's because literally see everything that all the packages that we're doing is I mean, if you want to go back to just three weeks ago whenever they made the tribal combat like Roman range is coming out serious, I can't believe you just sign a match like that without even looking at it, and he goes, Jay this this is tribal combat oos and then Roman everything that he does with facials and everything like that supposed to mean something,

he just goes desolate, like did you just say tribal combat And it's like he's he was obviously disheveled of some sort. He did not want to hear that, And that just makes you play into like fuck. Even though these guys, these big mob leaders, when he's when they had to answer to somebody, when like they're they're big, Don is going to calm down, and you know, like his dad or whether it's fucking be Rock or Rakishi or Off or a Seeker, anyone that's gonna come down and try to

put you in I can say that you've gotten power hunger. Those guys usually get like oh shit, So I don't know, maybe I'm shouldn't have expected anything, because they really even just came out and said like anything goes and never played into it. I thought that this would be a great time to

play into that. I just thought this would be a great time for I don't know, you don't have to have the whole family out there, but just like someone around the ring just to like keep order and everything that's done with you know, their tribe and the Samoans. Everything just kind of done out of like respect and honor, and so it would have been fun to see someone try to jump in and one of the elders stop them and say no, this is between them or or or something. It was just a

glorified disqualification match. There was no like special entrances. There was no They talked about the ulufala, the neck, the ceremonial neckwear that Roman reigns wears, and they did a good job of explaining that in a couple of minutes. But they had all the elders and ancient ancestors on their talking. It would have been nice to see them escort them down to the ring or do the presentation around the neck. I mean, I never thought that jay Usso

had a chance. I feel like the timing of this match was kind of sort of weird and rusty, even though I felt like the whole bloodline story was going to circle around a big match that's gonna involve Jay and Roman and this was it. But it didn't necessarily it didn't necessarily feel nothing felt in danger, just because there is just so much fast time to put there was.

There should have been more promotion led up to this, like Roman Reins could possibly lose this, and I felt like that could have been pushed in by other family members coming out and talking about the severity and what it means to be tribal chief and what it means to be this and what it means to be that, and you really could have had but it was just this is the first time I felt like in a while, it was a hard hitting match, the first time I felt in a while like, we know

Jay's losing, but where's the drama gonna unfold? And I thought that this was a perfect time for other history, other family members that come out, and yes, I thought the Rock was gonna show up. I thought that this was the spot. It was the spot, and my damn, and I guess it. We're not going to get it. But anybody, I mean, they're they're doing anybody. Just send anybody out there from the family and just make just make it. Say what felt tribal about that match?

Billy? I don't think that there's anything that There's just two Samoans in there and that's that. Then, yeah, tribal about that. I mean it felt like remember when they were gonna have the what was that segment before WrestleMania, when like the whole Sammy Zane thing was going down there. Yeah, yeah, something like that, and that was like promoted and then all of

a sudden it just went like radio silent and it was nothing. So I'm I always look at Wikipedia for reference of like the matches and the times and all that, and it literally says on here stipulations tribal combat for the undisputed w E University Championship and recognition of the tribal chief of the n Oie family. Like that's what it was billed as, and we didn't have. It

was literally just Roman reigns vers ju So in a no DQ match. And I also thought that a stippy maybe I was just seeing stuff or like hearing stuff that wasn't true. Maybe a dirt sheet set it, and I believed it. Shame on me if that's the case, But I thought that a stipulation in this match was that members of the family can't get involved in the match, and Jimmy Russo and Jimmy us I thought that was a stipulation, Like I'm pretty sure that was set on TV before. And Jimmy USO is

literally the one that costs Jay the match obviously. So it's almost like they made this stipulation with zero plan and they're like, oh fuck that, we won't mention it again. Hopefully people will just forget. We'll just make it an extreme rules match between these two and Jimmy, you're gonna You're gonna cost Jay the match, and that sets up, you know whatever down the line. They gotta stop doing this. They gotta stop booking themselves into a corner.

If you don't have a plan, don't set stipulations and like rules and stuff for you know, things that you have planned that don't actually come to fruition. Like it's unreal. Yeah, that's twice now with this storyline that they have promoted something as some sort of tribal ceremony that never happened, So I understand the frustration with fans of like, why do we keep like going

down this road? And look, I'm never going to believe that the Rock is coming back until I actually hear If you samel like hit and he walks out, I'm never gonna believe it. I'm never gonna talk myself into it.

But if you're gonna keep like teasing these these family tribal type ceremonies and recognitions, and like, what are we supposed to believe as fans Because obviously in the back of everybody's head, it's like the money match that they used to live out there is Roman versus Rock, Yeah, and it just doesn't seem like it's close to happening, right, I mean, it's every time they get kind of close, it's I don't I don't know if it's just

like Rock pulling himself last second or just who's being the douchebag here, But it just seems like every opportunity they had to grasp at that and maybe this is the reaction they want out of just a couple of Mark fans is like when are we getting this? What? Maybe this is exactly what we're doing and we're falling into their hands. But I think with everything, at don't

have to be the rock. But Rakishi is still there. I mean, I mean the Offa and SKA they could still I mean they probably can't tell you brought him in for the performance center when you just had them stand up there during COVID and had them acknowledge Roman Rains. I feel like you could have had just a bunch of people that you know, probably aren't even in the WWE yet. This is just other people of the family, like surround the ring or then I don't know, just kind of watch it. And

that's where I thought. That's where I thought it would have been a cool finish if just Roman Rain just beat Jay senseless with no help whatsoever. And that time where the shock or where Jimmy tries to come in and tries to interfere, then that's when his dad Rakishi's holding them back. No, son, this is between them. And that time Solo tries to sneak in and Rikichi's holding both of his sons. No, you guys have to stay back.

This is between them, And then that's what that's the next part of the storyline that I thought, if you're not going to do any new Blood and Bloodline members. I don't know which ones are in development that could come up or whatnot, unless you want to go a female and dude Naya Jacks, or if something happens in Trinity comes back and you could do the whole

female thing. But I felt like the next level of this Store and Bloodline story was playing off the elders and the and the ancestors and fucking the heat. If Roman Reigins could have just by beating the hell out of Rakishi that he could get from the usos and even doing it in front of Solo,

Solo doesn't show any emotion whatsoever. But if Roman Reigins were to just sit there and make him watch, or he beats up his dad or something, that could totally plant and then he just makes Roman look more like a dickhead. And I don't necessarily know. It's just I'm watching it back and had a couple of days asleep on it. It was it was both both men work their ass off. I just would have liked more of a tribal setting. And let's let's talk about the turn. What do you think about the

whole Jimmy USO turn. I know it wasn't in the truck. Like we're complaining about the whole tribal combat when it but when it comes down to the meat and potatoes, Juso comes back. We don't know what sort of control he's underwear. It's Roman Rains control, Paul Hayman's control, but he's it looks like Ball means Zuso's are split up. Now what do you think of

that? Yeah? I mean I'm trying to think what the ultimate end goal is with the bloodline storyline, right, because if you want to go we mentioned it multiple times, if you want to go Roman versus Cody two at Brustlemania next year, I think you gotta tie up all the loose ends of this Bloodline storyline before you go to that, because now you have Jimmy and Jay there. I don't know, man, Like, are we leading to a fatal four way with Roman, Jimmy, Jay, and Solo. I

could totally, I could totally see that happening. This could be a way of them trying to make just this tribal chief thing. This title just mean as much as the title, and I respect him for doing that, but maybe it's going to turn out into Of course, Jay's supposed to show up at SmackDown, and I've seen a lot of speculation. Is he gonna go back or he's gonna acknowledge Rooman reigns again, and people are saying no, he's just gonna say no, I didn't do it for you, or I

didn't do it. I'll do it for the Rock. I don't know if he did it for the Rock, but he's obviously there's They're probably gonna play off that jealousy thing, and they're setting the seeds for Solo. He's looking at Roman a little sideways. Maybe they're all trying to buy for this head

of the table thing. And I guess the ultimate story that they're gonna do with Cody Rhodes and they decide to go that route, is Roman's gonna walk into Mania forty at Philly with absolutely nobody from what we had last year, just for the last couple of years with the usso Sammy Zane or even just just Solo. He's gonna walk in there with absolutely nothing. And that's that's Roman reigns his whole story from everything to absolutely nothing. So maybe that can

in the time of as you mentioned, fill in some time between. Then they just go all out with everyone's buying for this and everyone's done and Roman Reigns is still holding on to everything he can with just freaking duct tape by the time he gets to Mania and that's where it all collapses. So yeah, or like how you texted me the other day is this? I mean Cody? Is that Cody? But like, where does solo factor in?

Are you think they do a Roman versus Solo at WrestleMania. I think that's definitely probably Plan B. Yeah, but the thing with Cody is for him to finish the story quote whatever, which he needs to at some point, Like that's his whole thing. Like he came back to WWE because he wants to be the WWE champion, the thing that his dad never accomplished. Yeah, that's what he always wanted to do, so that he could hand his dad the title, say here you go. Nobody can take this from you.

That's what his character is. That's why he has the sympathy from the fans. That's why he's such a big baby face because people are compelled by that story. So you can't just like pay that off with him winning the World Heavyweight Championship, the secondary title. It has to be the main one. Yeah, and how much longer can you wait? And it has to be on a big stage like a WrestleMania. I don't think you can do

it anywhere besides WrestleMania, so that it's a moment that lives forever. So I think if it's gonna happen, it has to happen at WrestleMania forty. So what do we have between now and then? Like six seven, eight months? Yeah? So two major pay per view still got the Rumble and Survivor Series half a year? Yeah, happy year, right, and now all of a sudden, Roman and Solo are still cool, but has been like little things here and there, you know, like you're saying, Solo

looking unweird stuff like that. Jimmy, I guess is now on Roman side again and Jays the Outsider. I think we're gonna have a one on one feud between those two. Obviously in Roman, I don't know what he's gonna get involved in. Probably aside from this, Friday is probably going to be an extended break problem still Survivor Series, and maybe that's where we play into

this. Maybe that's where everything comes back to full circle and you have whatever's left of the Bloodline against fucking Cody and Sammy and Ko and maybe that's how you revisit this in the field, or it's just all out I know they talked about the Bloodline civil War. It's just an all out every man for themselves for the head of the table at Survivor series. Who knows. Yeah, I mean, like what that's my point is like, this storyline has been going on for how many years? Now? What do you want it

to be remembered as? What? What do you want the end goal to be of all this? Like there has to be a payoff to what we've been doing this whole time. And is that just simply Roman defends against all three of the other guys and he wins, and it's like, okay, Bloodline's over now Roman is on his own as the champion, and here comes Cody Rhodes. I guess you could do that. That just seems a little underwhelming to me, But I don't know. I don't know any other options

at this point. It's something when you talk about having a plan I think of and I've even said this, I think the Bloodline story I'm still all in it. I think it's the best thing that ww's ever put on just because I think that they do. I think they do have an end plan, whether that's with the whole bloodline thing in the head of the table,

I don't. I think the Roman reigns bloodline is the story is different from him carrying the belt story, where I feel like you can you can lose everything in the bloodline or whatnot, and you can lose your whole family whatever. I still have the titles, so you can, because it turns out at that at the end of the day, Roman doesn't give the fucking He

just wants. He just wants. He just wants a title rein. So I don't necessarily know if it just seems even dirt sheets me falling forward and everything, it seems like this was literally written three years ago with the endgame of We're gonna eventually have you versus the Rock, and I just think that they're just doing a lot of filler in between them until they get to that, and I thought that they've been doing a good job normally of doing that. I was just kind of the other day, I was just kind of

just with everything with Jimmy was the one that turned on Romans. So it's it's just gonna see I just want to see how they explain this. I just I just want to see what's a good deal they explain it. Other people are picking out memes. You could see Roman Reigns like kind of look confused when he sees Jimmy. But when the background of when Jimmy's about to kick Jay, you see Paul Hayman with this like menacing look on his face.

This Paul Hayman knows something that Roman Reigns doesn't. Could they be possibly playing the strings of Paul Hayman's the bad guy that the one pulling the strings in the back. Paul Hayman's always the one on the phone where they showing like backstage segments where he's like smiling at someone that does like the call on the phone. And what if Paul Hayman was the one to bring in Solo Sokoa just at the Clash of Champions because the USO's couldn't go there, so

they can always play There's just so many layers. I do think the endgame is eventually for Roman this. I think this whole character thing was all an endgame to eventually face the Rock. I just think that they're just doing that they I just I think that they know that they don't have rock right now. I think they know that they they can, and I think they know

what's gonna happen. But there this is doing them doing their best to try to fill everything in between, and normally they have been doing a good job. I was just I was just concerned with the with the Jimmy turn. After watching it again, I thought it was a good drama spot. I thought it was it's it's it's some good meat on the bones. Usos do want to face each other. I don't know if you've been seeing any of the interviews that came out, but that's one dream match that they've always wanted

to have, and uh, we'll see where that leads them. I just want to see I'm maybe I'm just like I said, maybe I'm getting the reaction that exactly that they wanted. I am definitely ready to tune into Friday and just see why Jimmy why I just as you were talking there, I was, I was, you know, trying to fantasy book how they can accomplish all this. We don't like fantasy booking over here, But just just hear me out right here, all right? If you want to check off

every box. Cody Rhodes gets his big moment at Rustlemania, and that's not the end goal of the Bloodline storyline. The end goal is Roman versus Rock. Right, here's how you do it. Cody versus Roman two at Rustlemania forty one of the Bloodline members is still somewhat cool with the Rock like Solo, right, and he gets involved like he did at Rustlemania last year, and it looks like, oh, here we go again. The Bloodline is gonna win like they always do. They always find a way. That's when

the Rock comes out, takes out. Solo provides the distraction for Cody Rhodes to beat Roman for the championship. Cody Rhodes gets his big moment, Rock acknowledges him, holds his arm ups in the show, and then we get the Rock versus Roman year long build like they did with Rock versus Sina for Rustlemania twenty eight. At WrestleMania forty one, you do the year long build for that to make it the ultimate marquee sought after match. What do you

think about that? Because that's exactly how the Rock Versina thing went down, Right, I could get with that right, yeah, I mean just half for the next year. These guys could carry it. They're both actors. For the next year. You can just have Roman get pissed off at everyone who called in Dwayne, who made the call, who's this, who's this?

Why did you do it? You can have him try to uncover who's trying to take him the fuck out, and then that's where that's where he eventually runs off his family members who cannot trust anymore, blah blah blah, and then that's when he starts to bring in fucking Rakishi and that's when they start to bring in other people, and that's when he goes, you know,

screw Maga, he's dead. I don't want to hear him. And then that's that's whenever that's then that's when all the boss the main bosses, the tribal bosses come down and say, all right, brother, you've had too much. What did we what did we do? Why did we what? What mons? Or did we just create by crowning you? And then that's that's just Roman just fucking spirals out. I like it. It's there is a year long but I don't want this to happen, and that matches

happened at Summer Slam. It's got its media. It has to be the main event of rustle media. Has I think I still do you think that that is the final plan? Do you think? I mean, I know you're on the boat of until I see fucking Dwayne's ass in the ring. It's do you think in the back of your mind that's still the plan? Are you just hopeless with that? Well, here's the thing. I think they want it to be the plan, but it takes two to tango,

right. The Rock has to agree with the terms of what's gonna go down, And so do I think it's gonna happen? No, because again I won't believe it until I see it. But if you do want to go that route, obviously you do. It's I think that's the way that you do it because that doesn't need rockers. Roman does not need a title.

It doesn't not And if you take the title off Roman by having Cody win with the Rock interfering, that still keeps Roman strong because he lost by interference to the Rock, Right, but you still put Cody over in a big

way because the Rock acknowledges him. Raise his hand. Congrats, have your moment boy, and then you have a huge title reign after Russellmandy of forty whereas you know, Roman, who already takes extended absence this year and there, can continue to do that without the title, and they can continue to build this Rock versus Roman thing even if it's not on screen with those two.

Like when they had Cniverse Rock for a year long build, Rock only showed up here and there throughout that whole year, leading prerecorded segments at his house. That's what I'm saying. So I think that's I think that's the way to do it, and that would that would be a satisfying ending to the bloodline storyline. You would give Cody Rhodes his big moments. Everybody's happy. You got two big time man events for the next two years of Russellmandy

at that point. Absolutely, I like it. I'm ready for it. I just thought that I thought that this, I thought that this was the spot for that. But you know, and I also thought that you could tie in too. I guess if you want to go hardcore Mark, you

can tie in with the Rock and Roman reigns. The Philly thing where Roman reigns one and originally got his big push and that's where he came out and The Rock, even the Rock, you know over I thought that maybe you can have played that kind of underlining factor, but I don't think it's I don't think it's really that deep. But you could have went that deep if you wanted it. And I don't know if if you saw The Rock and I sent it to you actually so I know you saw it, Yes,

Yes, Kevin Hart little and they were like tease. It was kind of like a weird like I don't know, kind of like obscure, like not really saying much, but saying a whole lot at the same time. Yeah, absolutely insinuating that he could get involved in Philly. So yeah, I mean have him return and cass Room in the title and then boom. The Rock needs more positive pr right now than ever. I mean, let's not the Rocks not struggling financially or not struggling. But if there's one thing that

we've all know, it's just wrestler's egos can be inflated. Now when you get to the level of Dwayne the Rock Johnson just times that by a million. He hasn't been looking good in the spotlight with him, him and Henry cavill and the whole everything that's going on with DC and Black Adam flopping. The XFL is absolutely flopped. It would behoove him to have some sort of to get his name back in the good And I don't I don't know if

maybe that's just him being stubborn and I don't need you guys. I don't need you guys. But hopefully I think even ww's waiting to play it out. I'm like, all right, well, we know you're gonna come crawling back at some point. We know we're we're you're gonna need because ww's it's profit numbers within this last quarter. I know that maybe that's been what all of us e drones have been talking about on on Twitter over the last week,

is the Tony Kahn's the record breaking money that they've made. It's gonna be hard for a guy like the Rock to see that kind of platform and deny it. So maybe that's just both sides are just playing poker right now. And like you said, I don't think it's they wanted to happen, will it. It's it's it's a personal thing, it's a family thing, it's a tribal it's it's it's personal, and that's what wrestling is, not just you bumping into some asshole in the back. I don't like you.

Let's go out here and fight, and then they go out there and fight with no reason for twenty five minutes. Marks love that. I don't care for it. I want personal shit like it. That's I wanted the personal ship. When we had the Savannah and Logan Paul thing, go hit on, go fuck hit on, Go go your douchebag Logan. Everyone knows it. Go try to get like Samantha, to commit adultery, or try to get hurt a cheat or something, or just go rizz on her and be

the bad guy. Make it fucking personal. Just don't go and just this guy wants a viral moment, I'll give you a viral moment. Let's see you at summer. That's fucking stupid. I want heat in my matches and it's gonna be pretty hard. Everything with Roman Reigins is just natural heat. Everything was put together naturally, Like you have five or six Samoans in the company that are all related to each other. Why wasn't this thing done years

ago? So it's it's just my point and whenever that's up, ww is gonna have They're gonna need to do a good job on trying on trying to build other things in that because a bloodline when this program is gonna suffer whenever that's done in Roman rains is off TV. And I think they're trying to get ahead of get ahead of the bottle, and they're trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice with the Judgment Day, and I think that's what they're

trying to do with the Street prophets and Bobby Lashly. But this, make no doubt of it. This the program will suffer once you don't see Roman reigns in the bloodline on TV anymore. Well, there you have it. That is SummerSlam twenty twenty three. Some good stuff to look forward to in WWWE for the coming months as we head towards the end of the year and then Austin once we get to the end of the year, that's when WrestleMania season kicks right back in, right into it. So it's great to hear

your boys. By the way, Billy I mentioned in our last episode, Billy's been doing some things for locally more high school here, so it's great Billy as as you all know, a star quarterback in high school himself, finally getting back into the game and letting his influence rub off on a bunch of other other kids that are just trying to make their way in the game. And there's probably nobody better at trying to teach a sport of football that

guy Billy right here. So you know it's we may not hear a lot of of of him recently because there's gonna be a time where we bring in somebody and Billy's just going to be at practice telling people to do push ups. So I'm gonna be holding it down sometimes over here and gotten Billy's blessing. So that's all, sir, absolutely, and thanks for putting me over. Absolutely. Yeah, if you got if anybody out there in the local Wolsville area, you know, want to come check out some football at any

point, I'm coaching over at More High School. We got a good thing going over there. So if you're ever out, you know, Friday night, looking for some Friday night football, check out the More schedule and come on out to a game. We actually this Friday, We're taking on John Harden and our first like real scrimmage of the year, so preseason action. Basically, how good does it feel to say that we got oh man,

it's great. We had a We had a scrimmage last week. It was kind of like a mock thing where there was like five teams there and we just did like passing or something. It was like ten plays offense, ten plays defense, then we went onto the next team. So it wasn't like a true game type feel, but it was good to like get a look against all their teams and see where we're at. And I liked what I

saw for the most part. So you know, we can make some nois this year, and if you want to come check us out, that'd be great. That's exciting, very exciting as well as wrestling. So just keep it locked right here on the baby Face Podcast. We will talk to you guys next time.