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by Awstome Montgomery. We are the baby Faces. You can follow us on social media Twitter, ig, Facebook, the whole nine yards at baby Faces Pod and we got a very special guest joining us today because it's right off the heels of the Wrestlers documentary dropping on Netflix that's been taken not only the professional wrestling world by storm, but I feel like just the world in general
by storm. I've had a lot of people coming up to me talking to me about it that aren't eve been professional wrestling fans that solid on Netflix checked it out and really enjoyed it. And of course it's about the promotion locally here in Louisville, OVW, which we've had numerous wrestlers on from OBW in the past, including some that are very featured in the show like Haley j Haley Ja was our our first wrestler to ever joined us here on the podcast,
and the guy joining us today has also been on the podcast before. It's been a minute, and you know he's a big, big, famous movie star now with the Netflix documentary dropping, so gonna be good to talk to him again. His name is Al Snow, but you already knew that. Al. Thanks so much for taking the time today. Man, thank you guys for giving me a time. I really do appreciate you allow me to have the opportunity to come on and speak. Yeah. Absolutely, Man,
Let's go ahead and start with the obvious note. You know, what has this last week been like since the documentary dropped? I'd imagine and a lot of a lot of followers on social media. It's idea a lot more publicity for you and OBW in general. So just give us a glimpse of what that last week's been like for you, uh, to some degree. I mean it's it's the same as always, you know, where I'm just rushing around trying to deal with all of the different fires that come up with
Ovwright. Literally feel like I'm in a forest fire and I'm just running around peeing on one tree, put that out, pee on another tree, and put that out you know, just from tree to dreneuh. And that's you know, but now I've got the additional you know stuff doing interviews, helping promote the show. The Netflix PR department has been amazing setting up media and interviews and things like that and doing a doing a terrific job of you know,
keeping me busy, you know. And then on top of that, I had to go to Hamburg, Pennsylvania this weekend for a wrestling convention. So that was pretty awesome because I got to get to see a lot of the fans who came up up and comment about the show. It's all been very very positive, you know, and and you know, it makes me very proud. You know. It's like we're kind of talking before the show.
This thing gets it gets really raw at some points. And obviously everyone knows that the creator of Wrestlers comes from Last Chance you when cheerleaders, and as Billy said, there's a lot of people that really aren't even sports fans that even really fell into liking those those shows. And that seems to be kind of the case that Wrestlers is gaining steam right now. When you talk
about where the cameras are. And now you've always been used to cameras and producing and everything like that, but in terms of some of these guys and gals that are still new in the business, what's it kind of been like within the last year or so, how however long it took to film and produce that. What was it like having these cameras and places and moments that typically aren't there, you know, people with their family and just kind of
talking about personal stuff. And even as on an episode four last Night with the whole Matt Jone situation, has it been any different? Has it been like kind of hard to adjust with not only just being on like cameras being on TV, but me more involved in your personal life. The personal life probably was a little bit of a more of a challenge than just the cameras
being around. Once you've had this experience, you realize that and this is what the crew and Greg Whitely attempted to do whenever they're you know, doing, quite honestly, a documentary. It's not a reality series. It's it's quite honestly just a documentary. And what they he you know, does is they basically come in and they're there so much. I mean, they were
there probably twelve to sixteen hours a day, seven days a week. They're constantly omni present, to where they just kind of fade into the background, you know, they become like furniture. You just kind of you know, and you don't even really think about him, especially when you're in certain moments
that are a little more of the and stuff. You don't even doesn't even occur to you that they're until after everything subsides and you're like, oh, maybe I said I said down on camera, you know, and then you know, the it was a little bit I was a little trepidacious, you know, in regards to you know, really opening up and just being as
open as I could be. But my hope was that if you were a wrestling fan, it creates a lot more respect and appreciation for just how challenging it is to do and maybe makes you enjoy the in ring events that much more. And if you're you you've never been a wrestling fan, I'm hoping that this will connect in some way and maybe capture more audience members and help
to grow the wrestling business as a whole, you know. And and the upside, of course, is that with the increased exposure and relevance and such for OVW that maybe you will it will allow us to you know, truly build a platform here that I've been trying to do for several years now. Yeah. I actually got to see some of the Netflix production when they came out to one of our golf scramble events that the KSR Golf Scramble events.
You know, we work with iHeartRadio Matt Jones, and I was out there so to see it kind of like that and then to watch the documentary later, it was pretty neat. But you mentioned the exposure aspect of it. I'd imagine that was a big goal in doing this in the first place, right, Like I mean, it doesn't take you know, a genius to figure out, Okay, we go on a big mainstream platform like Netflix, We're going to gain eyes from people that wouldn't normally have their eyes on the
product. Right. So what you know, what kind of do you expect moving forward with OVW as far as you know, people locally and Gulville coming out the shows more or people not local that will get their eyes on the TV product and buying pay per views and all that. Do you expect to see a pretty significant jump with this documentary coming out. I think it's safe to say that, Yeah, I think both things are going to happen.
I think, you know, local audiences, because we've we've really struggled with that, you know, for the entire time that I've owned the company, and that's the awareness that that we even exist, or that we still exist. I can't tell you how many times around Louisville, you know, I'll get into a conversation, OV will come up and then we're like, that's still around. You know all I used to go every week when I was
a kid, and I'm like, yeah, it's still around. Or you know, we u a period of time ago, we had a guy just watered it off the street and he's like, wow, what what's this? And we started telling him and he goes, you know, I've been working that g which is literally right down the road or Shepherdsville Road, and he goes, I didn't working there for fifteen years. I never knew this place
was here. And I'm like, oh my god. So you know, I think with the exposure and everything, yeah, I think it's going to to translate into a lot more awareness. It's going to translate into people, if nothing else, wanting to come out just out of curiosity. I do think that it's going to motivate people because of again increased awareness and in relevancy to try a pay per view by you know, maybe in you know, if you're in England or somewhere else in the United States and can't make it
out here physically. You know, I think it's going to give the wrestlers themselves a lot more exposure and you know, more opportunities, and you know, but at the end of the day, we really have to keep doing what we're doing and stick stay true to what we what brought us to the dance because even prior to this Netflix show, if it had aired, let's say a year and a half ago, two years ago, we wouldn't have
been anywhere in near position to capitalize on it. Because this is really only going to be it's going to be a springboard for us to try to you know, take it further and uh and use it to maintain that momentum because it's gonna at some point it's going to die off, and these days probably pretty quickly. But you know, if we were in a position now where we have been building audiences for the last year and a half, and now with this combined, I think we're really going to be able to take it
to the next level. And you mentioned sticking what brings you to the dance and all these wrestlers, and just after watching a couple episodes, it is true to tell from the second it starts, these guys are past. These guys and girls are very passionate about what they do when it's hammered home. A lot of the times that there can be money to be made in this business, but when you're starting out, when you're like a level like this,
you can't necessarily expect all the fame and all the fortunate. It's something that you have to really kind of work hard one and maybe even have to go through a couple of character changes, gimmick changes. Have you been I'm not asking you to single anybody out, maybe to see guests or no question,
if you want to kind of peel back these layers. Have you noticed anybody's change and any wrestlers and how they think that their life is going to play out or career as a play out, or have you seen a couple of people just like kind of just stick to be a modest and like you said, bringing what brought them to the dance, just kind of stand level headed. Do you have a couple of people back there that's really thinking that this is a taking off point of their platform or is everyone just kind of
ended as a collective as a whole. Let's just keep gaining steam off of this, all of that, all of the above, all of the above. I mean, it's there's you know, from a standpoint of development, Like, I'm so proud of everyone that's part of OVW because I literally watch a lot of these people come in performing at a certain level and then six eight months lay or I realize I'm as I'm watching them, like, oh my god, they've improved so much. The way they carry themselves, their
confidence, their you know, presentation. Uh is so dramatic to watch because you would never have seen that that growth if they had just remained where they were. When they made the choice, made a decision to you know, really commit and to come to a place like this. It really you can see the development and it's it's really gratifying to do so, you know, with with what like what you said, I mean literally it runs the gamut. Everybody, you know, I've got something that it's I think that you
know, well, here we go, this is it. You know, I don't have to do anything now. Then I've got others are just you know, well, we're going to just stay steady and you know, keep plugging. And then you know, so it literally runs the entire everything you expressed it. You know, I've got a little bit of all of that
in a locker room right now. A very common theme in the documentary is, you know, our co worker Matt Jones and him being financially involved in the company against Creatively and the wrestlers and kind of be an outsider to that world and it being a little more closed off and that creating you know,
kind of a riff between him and the and the roster. Is that something that's very common in the wrestling world right where like you kind of got to earn your respect before you you walk in and start making demands type deal.
I can definitely understand it. You know, I coach football, and it's hard to talk football with somebody that watches it on a fan level rather than knowing all the ins and outs of coaching it, right, So, is there that kind of dynamic and wrestling as far as like the locker room versus the outside world type deal very much. So, you know, it's it's It would be no different than if I went into business with you guys in
a radio station. You know, I've done quite honestly, thousands of radio interviews over the years, you know, from big platforms down the little ones, you know, and and uh, but it would be insane of me to come in and now tell you what to do, you know, or how to run a radio. I've never ran a radio station. I've never ran a radio program. I have no idea. I've never I don't have
that experience. I have information, but I don't have experience. And then if I were to come in and you know, while we're going to do this and do that, well, we're gonna bout hats. You know, you're going it's going to become a very adversarial relationship right off the bat. And you know Matt tried to do that. You know, Matt's got a very big uh yougo, and you know, very self assured, and you know, came in like that. And the biggest problem is wrestling is maligned.
I don't know why. Still to this day, you would think that
we would have had reached a level of sopistication where we're well passed. But wrestling has always been the redheaded step child of entertainment, even though it's quite honestly one of the most popular and you know, populous art forms in entertainment in American entertainment and pop culture, you know, for not just a decade, not for a couple of decades, for tens of decades, you know what I mean, her hundreds, you know, it just it's since the
nineteen hundreds, it's been a part of American culture and society and pop culture. And you know, I don't know if many other than you know, events, live events that run as many and draw as large in audiences consistently year after year as professional wrestling, not to mention the partnership that has existed
between professional wrestling and television since the inception of television. And yet it's always looked down on by everybody here made you know that or they oh, you like that, you know, and they that's lowbrow entertainment, that's a joke.
It's and so for you know, being a wrestler, you know, respect is a very high commodity, and you know, and especially within the business itself, and you know, these guys, these men and women, you know, they go out there and they physically and that's the that's the biggest thing, is that they're going out there every night. And granted they're making the choice to do it. No one's put a gun into their head and hey, go throw yourself around in the ring. But they're going out
there, and they're there every time they step into the ring. This is something that no one really thinks about. They literally have a percentage of chance that they can suffer a life altered or life ending injury every single time they
step in that ring. And but they love it so much that they take that risk, and they do it to entertain an audience, an audience that may be entertained by it, and then literally become front you know, spoken to at the water cooler the next day at work and you went to wrestling and what you think, Oh yeah, I was made to go. And they disavow having any interest in it, you know, and that that for us, you know, it, uh for the wrestlers is a big deal.
You know. So when you've got somebody who's coming in because you know from the outside world and thinking, well, I already know everything when he's never really taking a bump, you know what I mean, he's never I'm sure he has skills and you know, marketing and you know advertising, et cetera, you know, building an audience, but not it. Wrestling is a different animal. It's it's it's like every other business, and it's like
no other business, you know, It's it's very unique. That's something that we always try to be careful with on this podcast because we understand it. It's said on the on the documentary, wrestling is a business. It's all about respect, shaking hands, and and your hand is your word. You know. The wrestlers tell each other I'm going to I'm going to protect you tonight, and you know, if something goes awry, then that's that's a
bond that could be broken. And when you you kind of talk about trust in wrestling, what do you think it is like me and Billy have to when we sit here and talk about it on a podcast. There's a lot of times where our fandom can get involved and maybe we could just talk bad about a wrestler or talk down or you know, you know, we've never we've never done creative, but we always armchair quarterback, and this is what
I would have done. This is what I that's why kind of why we stay away from the we're not we're not wrestling journalists or just a couple of fans or just a couple of marks that would know kind of kind of love to see all this happen. And you talk about that crossover with Matt Jones, what do you guys, I mean, I've only a couple episodes in I haven't seen you two. You and Matt necessarily really bash heads. It seems like there is some sort of mutual or respect there, even though you
guys are on one sort of on different sorts of the spectrum. Where do you think you and Matt and even mayor Greenberg kind of meet in the middle of where you want to see the direction of OBW. I think it's it's not about direction. It's just about conduct and you know, behavior and and you know and and uh and respect. That's a big part of it as well, you know, and you you uh, you try, you know, you realize at the end of the day, everyone has the same objective,
and that is to try to make ov W successful. You know, you know, the I uh it does come down to respect, because the bottom line is that I have you know, here's my opinion in regards to opinions. We live in a day of information, and you can find out information on any topic like you guys. You guys can you know, you know a lot about wrestling products. You may know more about wrestling than I do. It's not it wouldn't be Honestly, it wouldn't be a surprise because
I don't read, you know, I don't go and the internet. I don't read any newsletters. I don't read I don't, you know, I don't. It's not that I don't like to watch other program I mean, I just don't get an opportunity to do it, you know, because I'm so focused on OVW and crazy as it might sound, every couple of hours in the day. I'd like to have a life, you know, that's not wrestling, you know, but the thing that I have more than just you know, just not anybody else, as I have experienced. I've I've
I've started in the territories. I've done this for forty one years. You know, I've practically done it for as long as a lot of people have been alive and done it longer than a lot of people have been alive. And I've done every mistake. I've promoted shows, I've been a referee, I've been a commentator, re announcer. I have been a wrestler. I've been on every level. You know. I've been an executive, you know, and then you you know you I have that experience, and then you
know, case and point. You know, if I come in and i'm I'm you know, wanting to I bought into the radio station and I come in and I go, well, we're gonna do this this and this guy's and you're like, hey, you know, I'm just gonna give you advice. You shouldn't do that. You know, we've been in the radio business. We know that ain't gonna work. And you don't know what you're talking about. I know what I'm doing. I've done, you know, I've
read all this information on radio stations and on radio shows. I listen to the radio every day. You know, good A good case and point would be, I'd like I make this analogy all the time. I love medical
shows. Okay, which I don't, but just using it as an example, I love medical I watch saying elsewhere you know, I watched you know, almost fire the movie I watched, you know, House, Doctor Oz, the Doctors, any grades of that, I made bones, you know, I watch them all Good Doctor, the Good Doctors, Yeah, Doctor Ben Casey. I love all the Doctor, all the medical shows. Okay. I actually google my own symptoms and I read the New England Journal of
Medical Science every day. It's like the wrestling Observer of medicine. Okay. If I get sick or I get hurt when I go to the doctor, should I tell the doctor how to fix me? No? Why? Because I'm not a doctor, do you understand? You know? And and if the doctor listens to me, he's an idiot. He shouldn't be shouldn't be working anymore, you know, because I'm a lunatic. So why would you listen to me? Right? Right, but now? And that's you have
to understand. Like again, back to the doctor analogy. You can go to medical school for eight years, six or eight years, depended upon your field of expertise, but when you graduate, you're not considered an mdee a doctor. You're not a physician until you've completed a certain amount of residency, which is hands on experience coupled with the information you acquired. Now you become a doctor because it took that experience the commenisturate amount of experience, And in
the same goes in any vocation, in any walk of life. Just because you have access to information does not mean you have real knowledge. You have information that allows you to conjugate an opinion, and basically your opinion is worth
exactly what it costs me to get nothing. So, you know, would you think that Matt Jones on on I guess on that note, would you think maybe, like I said, maybe it's sort of at the end of the documentary, or maybe after a couple of weeks of just reaction and after this documentary has come out and everyone's got to watch it back, you think
Matt sort of has a different appreciation on that side. Yeah, I think maybe, you know, and he's trying, you know what I mean, he's you know, you can tell he's he's making an effort in trying to mend fence is and you know, realizes that you know, he came in the wrong way, and you know, but it still takes time. You
know, it's it's an ongoing process. So yeah, I mean, it seemed like in the documentary, the turning point for for Matt and how he was portrayed was his medical episode that he had, and then after that it seemed like it was more you know, he worked towards being a baby face by the end of it, whereas it was coming off more or as a heel in the beginning. So it seemed like he kind of understood it more
as it went along. Oh, this is like a fraternity that I'm walking into and I need to you know, maybe take it back a little bit. It was definitely interesting to watch that because being outsiders ourselves that just you know, are fans of wrestling, and that's how it would be for us, I'd imagine too, so and I totally understand why it would be. Yeah, so with the influx of viewers that you expect to get and hopefully do get, you know, they're going to watch this documentary and it ends
with the big one last summer. But obviously now now it's a whole new crop of storylines and wrestlers and who's featured and whatnot. So maybe just give us like an update on on kind of the big things going on at o WW and case people are you know, about to jump into the weekly show. Sure you know, a lot of the main guys that were main wrestlers that were featured on the show are still being featured, you know now,
just in different different stories going forward. You know, I've I've put together Laila, young girl named Jada Stone and Tiffanini of is and kind of like a mean girls club, bad girls club like that, and they are doing
fantastic. I mean, it's so awesome to watch these people when you give them you know, they're doing, okay, they're doing you know, but then when they give them the right thing and they just light up, you know, and it opens up you know, all of these doors and stuff for them, and it's like, man, it's just so much fun to
watch, you know. So we we had you know, I started it because what we had done was we had Aaron Grider that was on the documentary doing the relationship with Freya, and you know, this was like a over a year long story where Freya had used him and abused him and and you know, you saw that on a documentary and then you know, uh, they break up and then she realized that she made a mistake because she had it was good to have a referee in her pocket. She starts trying to
seduce other referees. They don't go for it, so she goes back to Aaron, and now she starts paying for the dates and taking him out on you know, places he wants to go. They have a sleepover, and you know, we find out that, you know, Aaron's a little more has a little more physical prowess than we thought. And uh, and then she falls in love with Aaron, and now it's starting to do over him, and you know, now the tables were turned, and then we finally
build it up to where she proposes to Aaron. Uh. You know, they we did a thing where they we had a wedding everything, you know, and Tiffany Layla and uh, we're bridesmaids and we had these two I mean they're they're with Ryan Hall. Now they're two rocker looking girls. You know, they're just like like you know, you go into the grocery store and you see the car magazine that's got the girl standing with the car,
that kind of girl, you know what I mean? And uh, uh, you know we'd come right to where you know, the official you know asks you know, if anybody has a problem with this speak now whole piece outcomes her name's Katie Gannon justin you know, beautiful girl and the best reaction. And she comes out and goes, stop, stop, stop, I have a problem with us. I've been married to Aaron Grider for the last three If you've seen Aaron Grider and now you see this girl like, you'd
be a step you know what I mean, you'd be like. And even though the whole building went quiet and one person went, oh my god, like as clear as a bell. So now that you know, Freya settles things down and we go forward, and then they comes to question again. And then I came to incredibly over the top looking girl and said that she had had three kids with him. And then Layelah steps forward, Jada steps forward, Tiffany steps forward, and then you know, Freya choke slammed him
through the cake and the wedding cake. And then we find out that Tiffany and the girls had paid you to act like that to food bar the wedding and they did it as they were jealous of her, and they were threatened that, you know, she would have a referee. So we're doing that story right now, where now Freya has found out that she was portrayed by these girls and is going after them. That's amazing. It's you know,
it's that's the fun part really, you know. I'm just I'm telling a live action comic book, you know, and each week is a different chapter, you know, and that really becomes the challenge for me, is that I've got to really be creative, uh, you know, in how I approach these things, because each week's got to move the story forward and further up up, you know, interest wise and logical and make sense to where you accept it. It can't be just you know, I would can do
any thing. It's wrestling. And then you've got to figure out ways to allow your hero to get some sort of come up and s justice, but yet not get it to where it satisfies an audience's desires, and then motivate guy to continue to do more to build to that one fighter because you don't want them to ever really touch until the one final match that you're trying to get everybody to pay to see. And so that that's where it gets really and then you you know, and you've always got to try to not just
do the same thing you did last week. You've always got to come up with a different way to do it. So it really challenges me a lot, you know. And so we've you know, just recently, uh you know, I had EC three, who just recently won the End of Billy
World title. I had a whole group with he and Jesse Godders, and we built to the tension between Jesse and EC three, you know, and then finally culminated with Dixi Carter, who has not since impact you know, when her affiliation would impact in and got her to send in a video promo,
you know, saying that you're throwing her alliance behind her nephew. And and we had the big break up Queen Jesse and EC three, And now we're going forward with that story as well, you know, and so we yea and We've got a lot of stories, but they're they're also still featuring all a lot of the very same people that you see on the Wrestler's documentary. Yeah. Absolutely, hec three friends of the show. I got to talk to him about a couple of weeks ago after he defeated Tyrus at the
NWA pay per view. Yeah, and we had that, we had the ten Pounds of Gold make its appearance on the baby Faces podcast. That was that was really really and how cool is it to have someone like that there. I mean, that's a prestigious belt. There probably is no w W E A E W New Japan OVW for that matter, without NWA. And you're now starting to kind of get back into that crossover. I guess it's there's gonna be continue to keep building off of that, right we can,
We're gonna I hope. So yeah, well yeah, you know, I yeah, And I really appreciate him being here, and and the same with Jesse. Jesse has been, you know, really great and it's really helped to build the company with the two of them, Jesse being here longer,
you know. And uh, you know it, I always when I first bought back into the company, you know, I wanted to creation with Billy Cordon and the NWA World Title because I wanted to treat it just like when back in the day, when you know, Harley Race and Rick Flayer and they would come in and out, you know, because the one thing it makes the the NWA World Title more prestigious quite honestly than any other the world title in the history of the business, uh, is that it was not
at that time and it was not a company title. It was the only title that was you know, it was literally the person who held it had to be voted on by a election of promoters and an association promoters who decided that this one person would make all of us money. And the title is
still prestigious and it's still important and valuable. The differences though, it's it's it's one person that can go. Well, put the title on that guy to get an entire group of promoters who all have their own agendas and their own politics and their own you know, wants and needs to get all of them to go. You know what, that's the guy we want to represent, and I think he'll be able to draw us all the most money.
Is quite a feat. I mean, it's quite an accomplishment. And you know that's why they that in to WA title really is so special and so prestigious, and you know, that was why I created the national title here in OBW was at. You know, we you know, we've got our heavyweight title, our state title title, and each one of course is the number one contender to the next, thus making the national title the number one
contender to the world heavyweight title. And my objective must always be able to bring that world heavyweight title in every so often, and then that that national champion b the number one contender, so it gives gravity to those other titles that hey, I want to win that so that I can go after the heavyweight title, so I can go after the national title, so that when the world heavyweight champion comes on the first in line to get to face them,
you know what I mean? Yeah, Well, you know that's that's that's why I want. I think it's so cool that now now EC three has it and he's already in the fold and you know, as the end of you a world champion. Well, speaking of bringing in you know, an outsider to push business, that happened in the documentary when you set up the James Storm and the Mahabali Shia program and what you wanted to do.
You said you wanted to put Shia on the chase, you know, as as the baby face in that scenario, and he ends up getting injured in the match. Though. You know, do you run into a lot of like kind of curveballs as a creator of all the time? Yeah, when building story and how do you kind of like adjust on the fly when you come across stuff like that? You, uh, I get I deal with it all the time. Last week I had to rewrite the show four times on the day of TV because of people not being able to make it.
You know, one thing happened, This happened, that changed, this changed all the last minute. It happens constantly. I don't I make a joke, I'm like, because I usually I'm like, why don't even mother doing it? I should just wait and you show up here on Thursday and then just make it up as I go along, because the nine times out then
I'm having to do that anyways, you know. And so yeah, it's it can be a little you know, frustrating, but you just have to, you know, on this level, you got to expect and you know, and you know, I say this all the time. The number one rule in wrestling that I've learned, you know, I've learned a lot of
things I apply to my life and wrestling. The big number one, the best lesson I've ever learned is literally how to take shit and make sure you polish out of anything, just because you're always going to get it and you've always got to make it, you know. And it was such word and I learned this from events you know when I first went to WWF and I forget who. He's no longer there, but he was running the events at the time. And he goes, listen, I'm gonna tell you right now.
The one word you can never say to Vins is can't. He goes, If Vince comes in my office and he goes, Hey, I want to run Madison Square, I want to run the LA College. See him both on the same night with the both crew. I go, Okay, hold on, and then I tell him what it will cost. I don't tell him all you can't do that. I tell him what it will take to do it and how much it will cost. You know, because quite honestly, when you take that out of it too, there is there is
no can't. There's always a way to a solution to a problem. It's just are you willing to take do what it takes to solve the problem. Yeah. And I guess just to just to wrap the bow on this OVW on the Netflix stuff, it's it's really heartwarming to see such exposure, to see that. That's the first thing when you log on to Netflix as the
wrestlers as a chair shots and you know they had the little preview. I've been going to ov W show since I was a kid, since Sena was there, since but the Dolph Ziggler before the Spirit Squad a little bit after, you know, when Cody Rhodes and Sean Spears were still there, Deuce
and Domino. I tell I tell Billy about that all the time. I remember going there when it was when it was big affiliated with WWE, and of course me Billy's made our way back there at times since and it's it's still just as entertaining and it just makes me as a wrestling fan, appreciate it more and makes me respect. I just want to do nothing but as a bystandard to help the local wrestling and to help everyone there, just because
I'm involved in everyone's stories now. So I just want to start off by saying, you know, thank you for everything that you've done for ov W, and hopefully it continues to keep on growing. I know you mentioned w w E, and I kind I kind of want to switch to that real quick, because I know probably not as much recently, but I was also a big Vince Russo fan. I love hearing his version on the and he's a you talk about outcast dude. People just for whatever reason do not like
him and just have this obscure version of him. And I think he knows he that dude knows wrestling. Of course he's you know, some people are so in their bubble that they just they just don't like how we written one story. So they just absolutely hate him as a person. So you've gone on there and you've got to criticize the business with him and Jeff before.
Is there anybody that you see kind of on the main roster in WWE that maybe that you think they probably needed a little bit more of NXT time or even just even like I would kind of like to get my hands on him and and see like something's missing? Right? Do you get anything watching I know that there is a part where you cal hero and a bunch of a couple of people were sitting there watching h w W. Do you ever look at anybody at say I kind of would like to see what I can do
with him in a couple of weeks. Yeah, there's there's plenty of them, you know that, I see a parent that I know. The one thing they're missing is that and they all they all do it. Everybody in w BAW the independence, everyone doesn't they mistake us that what it is to
sell and what it is they're selling to you, the audience. You know, if you really think about it, Okay, even before you became so well informed, all right, where he became contemptuous of the very thing you guys used to enjoy, all right, before he became critical, before you knew anything. When you were just a fan, what drew you to it was who that wrestler was, and then why they were in the ring there
intent, you know, what was at stake. There was a consequence because there was a conflict that needed a resolution that could only be resolved through And it wasn't about necessarily just beating the guy up. It was, at the end of the day, beating the guy winning, being triumphant, and in turn you felt like you were too. Yeah, and that, at the end of the day is what an audience pays to believe it they you know, the big fake word, the big up word is bandied about all the
time with wrestling. It's fake about wrestling. There's always only one thing that's ever been fake. There's only one thing that's ever going to be faked, and that's just the intent that we're not We're not going out there with the intent to win. We're going out there with to make you believe in our
intent. We want you to believe in that, and then we want you to believe first and foremost in who we are, because if you believe in who I am, you'll believe in the problem, though, is that today's talent they don't sell who they are, and they don't sell whey they do it, but they sell what they do because they think that the physical action is what catches an audience and face facts. If you got you guys were
fans during the Attitude era. I've bet if I were to ask you right now, you could describe probably every single guy that was in the Attitude era, both in WCW and in ww A right absolutely, I bet you can't describe hardly anybody on that roster. Now, sure in A W or WW yeah, they have no definable characters, no definable saws. As a result, yeah, you don't have any real stars. It took a while for
Roman Reigns to kind of get that way. I mean, I mean, look at him, he's got the look, he's got the talk of but but for the longest time, we just never knew his character. Now you can get his voice. Yeah, now now you can kind of I think him and maybe just maybe two other people, maybe Cody Rhodes or maybe even
La Night. But you can just look at those people and say they live that life also outside of the ring, and you could you could describe Roman Reigns as character and less than five words, He's he's a power hungry mob boss basically correct. Now he has a definable persona. You can turn to your friends and family and that sentence are last. You can describe who that person is, and now you can motivate them want to watch too, because now they know who he is, they know what they stand, what he
stands for, and why they should like him or not like him. Yeah, that's what it comes down to. Get the talent to connect with that and do that. That's where you have success. And that's been the process that I've been going through an OVWO you know, for all this time,
because you know, I could not tell those stories. I could not tell that story between Haley and Maria without that audience being able to understand and the mother don or dynamic in the relationship between the two of them, because you know, even and that there was just there was the hint of truth to it, you know, you know, I couldn't tell any of those stories if the audience didn't know who that person was and understand within the context of
the story the character that played out, so that they can relate to it because they know somebody who has went through a similar experience. They know somebody just like that or or they want to be just like or they've had that same experience as well, and now they relate to not just what happens into the ring, but also how much more what happens in the ring means based
off of the right or the wrong that was done to someone. So that's that's I feel is what really captures a Walmart type audience and that really at the end of the day, that's where the real financial game is. And you go back through history of the wrestling business, at any time, any territory, any you know in WWE would still be considered territories just all over the world. But you know Attitude era, you know the eighties with rock
and wrestling. You go to Memphis when they sold out the mid every Monday night for five years straight. Go back to any one of those periods of time with one of any of those territory stories, those regional areas that were gotten hot and made money, and it was because the general audience now came that. You know, the whole character versus in ring is something that we run into with our social media's, you know, the opposite sides of wrestling
fandom. You know, we're always on the podcast talking about character first and you know, wanting to care about the storyline so that we see the day off with the match, whereas some people just want to see two guys who are great ringing fight for no reason because it's going to be a great match, right And we run into that. We run into that a lot on social media, getting arguments with fans and stuff like that. It's kind of an interesting dynamic in the wrestling world, no doubt. But hey, I
know I got a hard out here. Since we'll wrap this up with a question or two. This HA been awesome that thanks again for taking the time. Thank you. You know, if we got listeners right now that are wondering how they catch you guys on a weekly basis, or maybe what are the next big events coming up to that they can come check out at Historic Davis Arinall just give us kind of a rundown of that. Yeah, you can catch us every Thursday night live from seven pm to nine pm on Fight
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o'clock, so you know when the school school day. You know, parents don't have to worry about their kids getting home too late, and we're very we're very much a family oriented show. You know. I try try to make things edgy and funny and witty and you know where you know, if you're an adult, you get it straight over your head and we don't think, yeah, yes, we don't do anything risking or curse or anything like that. So you know, we really try to appeal to the maths and
to to our fans as much as we can. Awesome, awesome all Me and Me and Austin definitely got to get out to a show here soon. I know, we're we're always talking about it. Then life gets in the way, but we need to get out there, radio gets in the way or something. We have we have eight days of music festival and before we get out of here, what did you think about Bourbon and Beyond? And I saw you out there tank top and all like, what did you did
you stay for Bruno Mars? I didn't. We didn't stay for Bruno Mars. No, we didn't. But it was it was just fun to you know, like I said, have at least a couple of hours when I got to have just go one year around the uh, you know, Burbin and Beyond festival. So do you do you eat any of that fair? There's a lot of there's a lot of friends out there, and dude, you take good your body. There is there not anything that just because I get out there, I start smelling the mac and cheese. I want everything.
How how do you tame yourself that I want to throw down on on some food out there? I have to sometimes, I mean, uh, yeah, when we eat festival dates, you know, throughout the summer and I'm I'm I'm notorious for taking officers the ring truck parks and I go searching for some good fair food. There's nothing better than you know, than anything edible on a steck, you know what I mean that? Just and yeah, and when y'all are on the road, it's it's it's all the food
trucks and you know, stuff like that your summer tour last year. So i'd imagine running in food quite a bit. Yeah, yeah, we do that, but some of it. Man. And we were at one fair in Ohio and they had like it was a huge setup in they head stir fry beef and all that. I'll got it was so good. Yes,
yes, I can never go wrong with fair food. Well, I'll man, thanks again for taking the time and me and me and Alston, we're definitely gonna set up a date for for us to come out w AMC, get it, get it well promoted so that we can we can do something
cool with y'all. Yeah, super pump for you guys. I mean, this is awesome to see it on the big screen, you know, Netflix, It's cool to see you know, we've been talking with your wrestlers and on the roster for a while in this podcast and you and and just to see it come to fruition was was really neat. Yeah, well, thank you. I really really do appreciate it. You know, we're excited for
the future. And you know, we're just gonna keep our fingers crossed and keep plugging and trying to give you know, audiences you know their money's worth every time. Well, he's else now we are the baby Faces and we will talk you guys next time.