The Audible Ep. 59 | John Bosa

a number one draft pick for the Miami Dolphins. Uh, you have a nice career here, and then your son's co in and I remember, I remember, I remember you'd give me a call when Joey was uh Joey Boza was getting ready to go to St. Thomas going to high school. Hey, kim John Joy is gonna go to St. Thomas. I hope you hope he's gonna be all right, Now go Johnny, don't worry, he'll be fine. Well, I just hope that somebody, you know, somebody out there season gets

him a scholarship. I don't care where, just like I need to get him a scholarship. And I think I tried to hook you up with Larry Bluestein, who's the dean of all high school. You call Larry. Don't worry, everyone's gonna know everybody. And then after you saw saw Joey play one time, I got fine, you don't need that ship. It's been quite a ride for you with with your boys, especially with the draft coming up and UH and Nick coming out now and where he's projected.

But as as a father, you've got to just be one of one of the proudest. Look, everyone's proud of their kids, um, but to see your kids do what they've done, boy, it's just got to fill your heart every day when you when you see him, and I know how close you are with those two boys. Well, absolutely, First of all, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. Um. Obviously, I've always just wished for the best and happiness for my sons. Could have never dreamed.

And I and I, like you said that phone call, I really you know. I never coached him. I always knew they had some talent. But I do remember being nervous having joe go to St. Thomas because I knew the history of the school. UH awesome combination of academics and athletics, so it was it was the perfect place

for them. But I was a little nervous because I had seen the kind of quality years that come out of there every year, and I just wanted, you know, to make sure part of part of what was great about it is great coaching, great mentoring, you know, George Smith and the coaches were wonderful. So it was obviously a fabulous spot form. But I was nervous, you know, I just I never I never dreamed that, you know, these guys would would achieve what they have and obviously,

and I'm just blessed. You look at these guys, their two sons, Joey and Nick and there, and they're almost identical, you know, different personalities, different, you know, It's it's funny. I've always had this conversation with people where kids have grown up in the same household, yet they come out, you know, eventually they they their their paths come very different. And and they're they're very similar in what they do from on the playing field, but personality wise, they're they're

very different. Ones a little more outgoing than the other. This and that. But you also were a gym owner at the time. When you got done playing football, you had the gym, and and I keep looking going, man, those guys just grew they grew up in that gym. Because they are. They are, they were then and they're still now. As big a gym rats as there are is there are in this country, absolutely, and you know,

for them, their their personalities are very different. But the one thing they both had which I never had, is they had the drive, the inner love for the sport. And as you know, um, we all know football practice is not a lot of fun. I mean, Friday nights, Saturday and Sunday is easy, is a lot of fun, right, but but you know the preparation that people don't see, the window workouts at the same time as six am, you know, they were there were it was. It was

almost like a junior college atmosphere. And I never had I never had to push them. I never had to I woke them up, you know, I go in, hey, guys, time to go. Boom, they're up having breakfast and we're off. So very different, but that that similar drive. Um. The only thing, you know, it's funny because I never coached, and I couldn't coach the kind of technique that they teach now. Um, but I think the only thing that they kind of saw in me was, you know, kind

of I was a grinder. You know, I wasn't the most talented athlete, but I achieved when I achieved really just just working hard and being in the gym and trying to make the best of that. And I think, you know, coupling their unbelievable athletic ability, but then just having you know, having that work ethnic and drive. I think that was the one thing that they kind of

saw in me. And and I think, but uh, but I could you know, I credit St. Thomas and and and the great coaches in Ohio state coach Johnson, but those those boys were just driven and and it's a lot, you know, it's not that much fun. So this is this is going to be the fruition of a lot of hard work, john other than the size. When they were growing up and going through grade school and getting to high school, when did you know as a dad, they go, man, these guys got a chance that When

did that when you watched him play? Because you have to take credit for that grinder mentality because your dad. Everybody's you know, always telling their kids, hey, you gotta work hard for what you get. You gotta do it the right way, so you have that ingrained in them. But athletic ability, when did when did you kind of get that smile ear to ear going you know what, I think these guys are gonna be have a chance to be pretty good. Well, it was pretty early, to

be honest with you. And you know when they we brought him out because we lived east and we brought him out to Ppo Pemmict Park Optimists. And that's a it's a heck of a heck of a park. Um, amazing athletes, really high quality kids and and and uh so it was pretty early when I started to see, you know, Nick was dominating. The guy was unbelievable. Um, Joey was playing They were kind of you know, he

was playing a lot of positions. He was playing quarterback and punting and playing safety and they kind of didn't they didn't. He kind of bounced around a little bit. So with him, I could see the athletic ability and everything. Everything they did. You know, they hit a golf ball or played tennis. I mean, they could do it all. Um, But pretty early I knew they you know, they had some they had some some some like weird technique that mostly kids don't have and kind of that feel for

where the ball was going. Um, so it was pretty early I never really, you know, I said, Okay, they have a chance of being good players. I wasn't sure, you know, I was trying to be humble and and not that dad. Yeah, thanks, his son's gonna be before you see. So, you know, I kind of sat back and it was always pretty quiet in the stands, and and but it was pretty early that they started to show some some real, you know, real talent. John. Let's

let's talk about let's we'll get back to the boys. Well, let's talk about you a little bit. You come out of Boston College, first round draft pick for the Dolphins, high expectations, and I know this is something that that that that that I don't want to I don't know what the proper term and joll that that that bothers you a little bit. You know, you came in your very good player. You worked hard, you were a grinder, and injuries really really devastated your career. You had knee,

you had neck, you had all those problems. I'm talking with you. We're walking in here like you still got that where you got you can't really turn it. And but but people have labeled you as as a as a bad draft pick, which was to me and I think anybody that's been around was around at the time and around the organization knows it was a completely different thing. I mean, look, guys can have long careers with no injuries.

Guys can have great football players and have one year careers because of a devastating and and and you went

down the injury lane that that really derailed your career. UM. But there's been a lot of things that have been said and written about you to me that I think are falsehoods, And and I know it's been tough for you to deal with, you know, post career, for you, um, and for all the fans out there, and we've got John Boza, you know, Nick Bosa, Joey Boza to the great gonna be the great football players over this next decade, UM, how have you dealt with that and kind of fought

through it? And and for me, I'd like to see you a little more involved with the organization because I think you the organization deserves to have you involved with him. And I know it's a little tough, and I know this is kind of a little ten your situation, but just kind of what you went through and in some of the disappointment that that that you had going through that, well, you kind of hit the word. The biggest thing for me was it was disappointing because I came down here.

I couldn't have been more thrilled, you know, I I think you know. I came out of Keene, New Hampshire. Okay, I was the last scholarship available at Boston College. Someone had opted out for a different school. So coach Mike Maser, who was the online coach, who was in the NFL for years after that. Uh, Tom Coughlin was the offensive coordinator there, Jack mcnell. So I snuck in to BC. Uh the last scholarship. And I always used to joke, you know, my whole life, I was John boast of

the football player. I mean that just kind of went together. It was John, Yeah, John the football player, and I always joked that's saying, you know, if I didn't get to b C, i'd be I'd still be pumping gas and Keen. Uh. So it wasn't It was an enormous opportunity for me to get out of Keen. My options were, you know, maybe a going to Dartmouth and getting some grants, or playing at U n H or you mass. So I didn't have the Notre Dame, the Penn State, so BC was just a godsend for me. UM played five

years there. It took me two years to even see the field, you know. So I went from to eighteen to to seventy in three years and finally got on the field and and and had had a lot of fun. I mean it was great years. So I never got hurt, never had any injuries. You know, felt great. I get that call from coach Chula, you know, best day of my life. So I come down here, and you know, it is hard, you know, because I've been I've been lumped into the bust category and I just I hate

that word. And it was, you know, one thing after another. I felt. I felt great. When I first played, I had a pretty good year. Uh. Second year, I really felt good and we were playing well, and then the knees injuries just started. Uh and it was just my knee, first knee injury. My career was over. I didn't know it. I thought I could bounce back. But you know, for me, the the if you're if you're just a true gifted athlete, you can maybe get back from those things. But that

that knee injury was so devastating. Everything was gone. I mean it was just blown out. And medical technology back then wasn't what wasn't what they're doing now they're there. I was in a cast. I always always tell them,

you know, when you have new injury. Back then, it was like that little cartoons where the lion and the lion tent would open their mouth and stick their head and that's kind of what the doctor did, right, give you a cut about twelve inches longer than they spull that thing open, and and then the chance of coming back everything. It was devastating, and I, you know, your mindset back then, you know I can make it back. Um, but if I if I watched tape before and after,

I lost that that quickness off the ball. So my career was over. And I hung around, but it was over. So you know, I was fortunate. I got right into business right after opened the gym and South Beach and it kind of took my mind a little bit off of things. But it was just an absolute disappointment. You know. I wanted to play for ten years and and had all those dreams and and really the short time I was with the Dolphins were some of the most you know, blessed and fun days in my life. It was. It

was fabulous. But um so, so I think now, you know, looking back on it, um, I almost it's almost it was hard for me because my sons would read, you know that that your dad was a bust and so it was almost I was embarrassed for my kids that they had to read that their dad r I buzzed. Yeah, the biggest bust. And so so that was kind of it. I mean, there they're fantastic and and and it's it's

long over. It was like a whole another life. But it was definitely you know, I don't think I would have been a bust if I would have stayed healthy. That's kind of and you know, and I see I see how they labeled different people when you look at different situations. Um you know, whatever it is, what it is and that. But it certainly was difficult. Well well the O. The other thing too is you know you had Eric Kumro, who was you know, your best friends

with him. You know, you married his great sister. I mean you were very close and so and er Eric Eric, you know, and and look, I know the pressure of being a first round pick, you know, the pressure of being the first round pick, and it's there and it's there with you throughout your career. And Eric comes in

and I think they reached for Eric. It didn't work out, so Eric, and then you you kind at the same time, you kind of same you, you kind of morphed together in in fans of mind, you two are the same guy, right, and which which is which? Which? To me? And I look back and I always feel bad because I think I think it's very unfair under both situations. But fans are fans, and they're gonna say what they're gonna say.

But um, you know, I just I just wanted to talk about that because I know, I know how hard it's been for you. I know how much it you It's it's been something that's snagged you for a long time, and I just don't you know, you got to hear

the story to understand the truth. And then that's why I'm trying to just know, let's throw that and and you know the things that I would Unfortunately the brief career, Um, but the fortunate part is I got to meet unbelievable people, um you and all the all the guys that that I that I didn't play with but then all the guys that were there, you know, Um Brazilski and and and all the guys and you Green. I mean, I've met wonderful people and got a chance to be Shoelea's

draft pick, which you know, which are really amazing times. Well, look, I got that same phone call that you got, and it still resonates with me today. It's still one of the great moments in my life. And look, had it been Joe smo from you know, the Cincinnati Bengals or somewhere from someone else, it's been all, yeah, it was nice. But but to have coach pick it up and and and talk to you that that, you know, it doesn't

go away. It's only one of those those guys. And it's it's funny because you kind of segment your life in ways. You know, your professional you know, you're you're growing up your college days, your professional days, and then

what you do after football. And what a credit you've been to South Florida in terms of your reach in South Florida, being able to help people with your businesses, being able to interact with people with your businesses, and when you fast forward to your boys and going through this process now as a dad, How tough, How tough is it to just sit there and kind of go, I'm gonna try to do everything I can to help my boys, but there's a line where I just want

to I can't. I can't overstep that, Like I want to be able to do what I can because I love them. Number one, They're always gonna be my son's but I can't. I can't go over this because this isn't my job. Well, that's yeah, and that's really something.

I don't know why or how I kind of came to this conclusion early, um, but I think part of it was I knew I didn't want to coach them because I saw I saw how that stresses relationships with fathers and sons, and I know that I would have been tougher on them and that that just wasn't my deal.

And I kind of knew that from from early and then I was kind of blessed really because they had great coaches, so I didn't feel like I had to step in and I was I was the and I definitely never wanted to be that guy, you know, that that old old athlete that that's so I was always quiet and sat in the back and really was just blessed that they had good coaching, even in the youth league, and then at St. Thomas, it was easy and I had great relationship with George Smith, great relationship with the

coaches there. So I just sat in the same spot up on the father standing, yeah, and just watched them. Um. And I just always wanted them to know that I was there for him. Um, but I wasn't. I wasn't there pushing, you know. And I just saw that wasn't just my style. I know, I'm not. I don't tell people how to parent their kids. But for me, I knew that I wasn't going to be the one that was constantly hounding them. And then really, once they got going, they didn't need it. Yeah, So then I was just

there cooking for him. Yeah. It's pretty easy to look around and go, I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna be my own guy. And that's what you did. And and I think they responded to that being because I made those promises to him that hey, I'll I'll surround you with the best people at every level. I'll be there to support you you need me, you know, I'm always here. For you. But I'm not gonna be that guy. I'm not gonna be your agent. I'm not

gonna be you know, pushing you. You guys have to do it. If you love it and and the passion is there, then it was easy for you. And then look, we've all seen those guys, you know, we've seen those guys that and you feel so bad for the kids because they just, first of all, most of them don't have the pedigree that you have from a from a playing standpoint to where look, you do have some some you know, little gravitas to say this is what you

should do. Uh, And they have that, but they want to be the they want to run the show they want and you see the kids three years later, they're they're ruined, right and based on uh, let's talk about let's talk about when when you know, when you're in the gym, how how how quickly do they matriculate to because these guys are I watched him in I watched Joey in the weight room, and I'm just like jeeus,

I can't even look at it. I'm so you know, I'm I'm so embarrassed for how shitty and weak I was when I was a football player, like I can't watch it. You know, it's it's just too much. But you know, for them, I mean how much how good was it for them for you to be in that business that is so important to becoming a very good football player, to spend time in that way, room to learn how to do that, to learn what that does.

Not only from an athletics standpoint, from a from a safety, from an injury stand show, you know, the stronger you are suffer it is free to get get that bad injury. Well, I think I think what was great is they got comfortable in the gym at an early age, so they got comfortable doing things. They loved it, so I could already tell it wasn't gonna be uh you know, really a push to get him man up. And they really they kind of enjoyed it. They had fun with it.

Um And then you know, so we we would train, but we would I would always try and do a lot of different things. We play hoop, you know, we'd hit baseballs, we you know, we did active Yeah, I mean we were playing tennis, we were playing golf, we were you know, out on the jet skis, just trying

to do a lot of things. What I loved about it for them was I loved basketball, you know, because I could see their quickness in their in their hand I I just thought that was a great way of having fun with them but actually developing their their overall skills because it's different muscles that used to play different sports. I've been along. I've told a lot of people this and then that their kids. I said, you know what gets your They go, my kids, but all these he's

a baseball guy and he's traveling baseball. It's well, I said, you know, to me, the best athletes I've seen have played every sports because and I always thought, like you talk about basketball, lateral movement, been in your knees, all those things that you that everything you're do in different sports comes back at some point as part that makes you at your core for the sport. Did you end up? I actually, I actually think watching you know, basketball players,

to me, they're the best athletes. I mean, what they're able to do, the shape there, in the running and jumping, it's just it's an amazing So I always kind of, you know, had them doing a bunch of things. Obviously, once they get in again into St. Thomas, you know, none of that training that was just old hat to them. You know a lot of some of those kids, they've never been in a gym. And then you know, and

and it's it's a pretty tough, you know, schedule. They had discipline to get up to do that stuff every day. You know, you don't just jump into that. And I'm all four and they and they just they loved it from an early age. So that was an easy transition and really nothing ever, it kind of set them up

for nothing really shocked them. You know, you you make these big jumps in levels um and whether it's the intensity of the workouts or or how you take care of your body and how you eat and how you hydrate. I mean, these things they kind of you know, they never a junk, never a junk food, never drink soda, you know, Joey doesn't drink alcohol. I mean, they're just there.

It's this whole package. But what kind of set them up, I think, and what you were alluding to when they were young is being in the gym kind of getting used to that gave them a transition that never nothing ever shocked him. You know, we don't workout, okay. And

then going to Ohio State which is a whole another level. Right, None of that training shocked them because they were already kind of yeah, it was exactly so so that that I think, really and then you just turn everything up with really what you and I never had, which is the stretching and the nutrition. And I mean, well, you know, I mean I never I never stretched. We stretched on the field and it was it was a joke, you know.

So I mean Joe stretches an hour before his workouts, in an hour after every day, you know, and and the nutrition and the guy, you know, all of that is just yeah, you know, next but but all that's but all that too, has come along with the growth of you know, the progression. Yeah, you learn more about nutrition, may be more about training, all that type of stuff.

And so they've been able to let's go, let let's get to the point where so Joey's there, and Joe's and and he's getting ready to be a senior year. All of a sudden, you've got every school in the country wants him. I'm sure BC was on the phone, Hey John, you know we could use him up here, you know, trying to pull on that alumni string a little bit. I'm sure but but I didn't think so. But but how that? Uh? And and I know you kind of did the same thing. Hey, you're on your own.

I'll help you whatever you want. You make your decisions. So you're kind of sitting back watching all these people come come through the door. Had to be, uh, had to be pretty a pretty interesting point. Actually you're in his life. Um, so what I did for him is and and things kind of got going fast. So we went to after a sophomore year, we went to the camp that that the coach Saban runs in Alabama. And so after the camp, coach Saban pulled. So I'm watching.

I'm watching the camp, and they got him playing outside linebacker and dropping, which he's never done and in high school he hadn't done. And this is what was State Alabama, Sabama and this is Joey sophomore year after So I got he's covering a running back and he picks the and he picks the throw and I see Saban and I see there's a guy running with joe the whole time videoing. So after the after the kind of one day camp, Saban calls us over and we're go into

his office and he offers Joe right there. So this was after a sophomore year. That's his first offer. So we're sitting at lunch after and uh and he goes, wo, how can I get better than this? You know, we should just commit now. I said, no, Joe. I said, here's what we're gonna do. And I said, this is amazing, amazing, blessing. What I'm gonna do is we're gonna go through this process.

We're gonna let this process play out. And what I'll try and do is I'm gonna narrow your number down to maybe six or eight schools that I that really fit for you, and then you make your decision and and and you can't lose out of any of those. So we went back and then they when that kind of happens, when Alabama offers a kid at that age, then that it's like coming the next day. So so Obama was the first offer, and that was that was right after his sophomore years. So then you know, plays

his junior year, plays a senior year. It's crazy. And and we narrowed it down to eight schools. He did his six visits and just fell in love with Ohio State and and that was the deal. So again, it was that thing where I wasn't going to let him go to Oregon. Okay, I wasn't gonna play. He wasn't going to Texas and when the Texas kids, you know, it had to be a kind of the right what I felt was a good fit. And I talked to

a lot you know, I talked to George Smith. I talked to a lot of people about the day, because he knows all those coaches, um, and I'll never forget. I asked him, I said, what do you think Urban may he goes. I don't like Urban Maya he goes. I love Urban That's what George said to me. So, you know that was that was good to hear. But again, my son's made their made their decisions. I just kind of narrowed it down a little for him. So so

when Joey went Ohio State, what was number two? Uh, number two was Bama and Florida State was right there, but I think Bama was number two. So then he goes, and then you got Nick coming up, coming up in the rear, and I think Nick was fifteen or so. When when when Urban kind of threw the on his birthday? Yeah, his birthday right now, birthday. That was a pretty good and I actually thought he was kidding at first. He did it on the phone, I said, urban, I said,

coach my eyes. I said, this is his birthday. You sure this is what's going on here? He goes, just put him on the phone. I don't I don't say anything. I don't mean it. Just put him on. So Nick gets on the phone and happy birthday. And we're offering you so so you you must have been you know, for for for what's seven years or six years? You have to be the king of Columbus. Oh god, you know you can get a reservation kind of. I need a reservation for both. Yeah. That was pretty It was

pretty good. And that's pretty good, right, And I've learned to really I didn't know much about Columbus at all. It's really a really cool town, very nice town. You know, obviously giant college town, but there's really it's a really nice scene there, great restaurants and bars and and and really nice people and obviously the Boses. It's pretty good

nameing in Columbus. You know what's pretty cool about watching him in college was, uh, you see him grow up through St. Thomas, you see him get to that level, and both boys had unique styles about them. You know, you could you could tell the difference in high school. Both were great athletes, but you could just tell that they were they were their own person. They did things

their own way. And watching him go through did you ever kind of, you know, kind of pinch yourself, going, well, so and so did it this way, but that's not him, you know, and you kind of separate the boys, and you know you can, you can kind of mirror things and try to glean things off that will help your game. But when you watch him play, how are they different? Well, they're different. And the thing that the thing that people always ask me is to compare the two and it's

not a fair comparison, although it's they're very similar. But really what happened was, you know, Joe, Joe had his success at St. Thomas was based on quickness and just shears strength. I mean, he just powered. He didn't have those refined techniques. So he gets coached by very Rabel his first year. But then coach Larry Johnson comes and to me a guy who I who I love, uh you know, and I don't say that lightly. I mean

this man for what he did for my sons. And when you hand your kids off at college to coach, it's a it's a trust. Um. And I love him and my sons love him, and and you know as a person and what he mentored and helped my sons. But then the technical part of it, I think he's the best DeLine coach in any league in the in the States. Um. And what he did is he started teaching joe all these these hand techniques and flipping your

hips and all that. And so now Joey's athletic ability, which is sick, you know, I mean the way he can Ben runway. Yeah, so now you're taking advantage of his real strengths. Whereas you watch you watch his high school tapes, he's just killing people, just so you know. So now you have Nick who played they played together, which was unbelievably that one year. But now you have Joe coming back and teaching Nick all these techniques and

Nix a sophomore in high school. And then whenever we were up in Columbus, you know, coach j would say, Hey, bring Nick in and we'd sit in a film room and watch Joey's film for a couple of hours. Well, of course, Nick's gonna have a little bit of an advantage because now he's getting coach time and he's working with his brother who's saying, hey you So now Nick had two years to refine in high school that technique

that joe was refining in college. So yeah, Nick, And and that's where you see the difference in his his tape in high school is Nick's just doing stuff. Well that's what I remember watching both of them when they were there, and you're and I remember, you know, Joey, you know, you just he was just a man playing against boys as we could do whatever he wanted to do. And then when Nick came along, I go, man, this guy. You know he's got he's got good hands, he's getting

his hands in the right place. His technique, I said, I said, you know, they go do you I think I think Nick's maybe a little better player, may end up being a little better player. But just because he had the technique, he wasn't as raw as as Joey. When Joey is playing, like he said, Joey helped him get those you get those technique and but two completely different. The results were this very similar, but two different ways of getting about it. Absolutely and I think, you know,

the funny thing is they're both their goals now. I mean, Joe wants to get better every day. He's twenty three years old, he's been in the league four unbelievable and and every day he's working on different things. I mean, it's it's so you know, I don't think he's finished evolving into the player he's gonna be. And he's had

a pretty good run already. And I think Nick is you know, Nick every day is watching film of of Aaron Donald and Tom Bobby and all the you know, coach j does cut ups of all these different techniques and and you know they still talk about all the different things. So it's a constant, you know, they constantly want to get better every day, which is just amazing. How how is this process this year going through leading up to the draft. Does it differ any from the

first time around? Yeah, well, I mean it differed the structure of it doesn't differ. Um, the boys you know different, you know, there were different issues that Joe had in college that we were you know looking at um there was uh, you know, certain teams and then the trades down. But during the process, and that's why Thursday is going to be interesting because you never know what's going to you really don't. And and you know, the Chargers had had one dinner with Joe in Columbus. I had walked

happened to be in the same restaurant, Joey's. There. They invited me to sit down with him and said, no, you know, you you have dinner with Joe. I'm I'm I'm gonna have dinner with So I gave him a hug in front of him, and they sat down, had dinner, and I went and left because I wanted them to get to know Joe. I don't want to sit there at dinner and yeah, so, so I I left. And they had said later on that they appreciated that, you know, because they um but that was it. They didn't they

didn't have any workouts to Joe. They didn't they didn't talk to him much of the combine they happened, and they knew, they knew then that he was their guy. UM. So so when you look at now, you know that there's all these different nuances. So you have certain teams that have been very vocal about wanting Nick and then their teams that are quietly in the background, so you really don't know, and it's interesting, but they are very you know, the the setup is the same, and it's

it's a bit tedious at the end. You know. I never wish away time because I'm living such a blessed life with these boys and I enjoy every minute, but I am kind of getting anxious because it gets well, you're how was it, How was that day? How was draft day for for Joey? Yeah? I mean just you know, your first time going through a draft with with your son, and and you know he had expectations and you know he's gonna be it's gonna be in the top five.

You know that it's just where you're gonna go and and where he's gonna live his life and everything that goes along with because it's a big it's a big transition in a lot of ways. But as a parents sitting there watching that and uh and going through that first draft process us, I'll be a little nail biting time when and I always said the draft, I'll be going to go this. I'll go to the draft this

year in Nashville. I've been twice before, and I got to tell you that the the electricity in that building before they make that first pick. It's crazy and you get about twelve or thirt and you kind of air kind of goes out of the balloon becomes a bit at the very beginning. I mean, it's a it's an

electric atmosphere in there. It's crazy and and you know, so, so we're getting ready in the hotel and we have to head over and you know, Joe's piste off about his tie and he's got you know, he's got his watch, and and it's I can see the things hanging with him this whole time, or no, yeah, yeah, they'll they'll both be there. So but it was, you know, and I was like on on walking on eggshells, and I

didn't want to piss him off. He had enough, so I'm like trying to help him straighten his his suit out and everything's really good, and we he walks the red carpet with his mom, and then we get into the green room and it kind of it felt a little more comfortable then because I was really I was. I was just nervous, and then I kind of sat there and now we're surrounded by people Coach Johnson and

Urbans there and his agents and it's you know. And now we're nick and we're a little more comfortable around the table and it um. But then he's got his phone turned upside down on the table and I'm like, Joe, you might want to flip your phone so you can see to know, please can you watch your phone? They're not calling me. UM. So yeah, it's it's but but that moment um, it's just just the coolest thing. I mean, it's it's it and this is gonna be the same thing.

It's im I was just so excited. It's just and it was it was you know, it was just joy just you know him, you know, I know it's the start of a long journey. But what a cool moment, what a great way to start. So for Dad, now for going around this time having that experience, are you just as nervous or are you a little bit more at east because you know how that process is going

to play out. I'm actually just as nervous, just as okay, and because now I understand that there's really you know, you can mock draft all you want, you know, I was doing this this interview with s I and they said, so how much pay do you pay attention to mock drafts like zero, because if you look at the mock drafts for Joe, he was maybe going five or Jacksonville six to Tampa, you know, and all of a sudden, the charges stuff. So you know, so it actually makes

me a little more nervous because there's all these scenarios. Um, you know, he could maybe be one who knows what the Cardinals are doing, who knows what the forty Niners are thinking. The Raiders seem to, you know, really love him, so you just never know. I and I know out of all those teams, there's really no it's it's all awesome opportunity. It's really cool. There's no there's no there's

no losing. No, there's no way in this situation, right, So it's a win win, and it's just but I actually probably am a little more nervous because because I know how kind of all until that first Yeah, those first few picks are well, it's funny because you watched the draft and like you said, all the mock drafts and all of a sudden it picked two or three, someone out of the blue gets picked. It wasn't expect

and then the whole thing is shot. The whole thing now it's and now it's a reshuffle because those top few picks really kind of layout the table. And this year, this year is one of those years where everyone thinks that, you know, there's really no clear cut number one guy you could go. It could go quarterback, that could go Nick, they could there's a you know, could go the defensive

tackle from out. You know, there's a there's a there's a number of guys that could be there, and that would completely change the order right after that, right after the first pick. So, yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna it's crazier to night. Yeah, so I'll be just I'll probably be a little that's a bad question. But what what a what a great night is? It's it's good stuff. Though, Hey,

let's let's talk about this. I I know, um It's it's funny because you know, I know your kids, I know what they're I kind of know what they're about. And you know, I've haven't been around him a ton, but I've been around enough to kind of know the type of people they are. And and and I know, um Nick had send something out in social media about San Francisco and that turned into a little bit of

a firestorm there. The whole social media thing through throughout all this more probably more so with Nick because it's become more more prevalent now. I think then when Joey came out, but it was certainly was there. Then how how is that whole social media stuff UH been to deal with in room? Because there's there's ship flying everywhere, and it's ship it's against the wall and you know,

sliding off and everything, but it's out there. Well, it's It's interesting because my twenty three year old son, Joey has in the last few months, has given me some some amazing advice. So I'm learning from my son uncertain things. And and it's funny because Joey is he's maturing. You know, he's always been really mature as far as a football

player and taking care of business. But he was always kind of you know a little bit of a goof and and a little what I thought was a sort of immature for you know, because sometimes football, you know, it stunts. You have to be so mature on the field, but it kind of stunts, you know, writing a check or doing like normal stuff, you know sometimes. But he's given me a lot, you know, and and you know,

I don't really, I don't know much about social media. Um, but I read some stuff and I get piste off, you know, and and Joe is like dead, there's no winning. There's no no winning in social media. So just stay off it, don't read it, you know. And and you know it's hor It's easier said than done because I you know, and he goes, even if you like something, you press that like, but that's out there now. People know you liked that. And I don't understand, you know,

he goes, so Dad, you just stay on. It's may make me because I got a phone call from you a while back, a couple of months ago or something. And uh and he goes, damn, which with this dam Joe Rose. Joe Rose said this. I said, John, John, let it go. Let it go. You know, it's a radio show, it's entertainment. Don't let it. But yeah, so I'm trying to walk to talk you off the ledge, you know, don't jump, man, don't Joe does that to us on the way, no doubt about it. I get.

I mean, you know what, Joe, he's bullshit. That's done out. And I get all fired up. And there was you know, there were certain certain things that I took. And obviously we went through some tough stuff with its injury and and things and and so that's been covered at nauseam now with with the other the other side of the story and how difficult it was and how he was

in a quitter and all this bs. But yeah, as a dad sometimes, like you know, I still have a little bit of fighting me once in a while, and I just got to sit back and and it's really it's funny because Joe's like that, you know, it doesn't matter. Don't. Don't listen to that, don't. And he's he's really he's very good now, he's he's done so much work with the media so much, so you really very savvy. And I'm I'm pretty savvy with it, but I but I let my heart get you know, well, and you're doing

it twofold. You know, you're you're looking at one and looking at the other, you know, and you're you're divided in terms of how much attention do I want to put into this number one and take the kid's advice to go that the best is just to leave it alone. That would be the time you want to turn your phone on the other side, and so I've I've tried to learn from Joe. But he's funny and you know, there's it's really thank god when we were playing we didn't, right,

just cell phone just camera phones, cell phones. Yeah, yeah, thank god we're we were undercover. We got zero dark whatever, we had, no one knew what was going on. Better off that I wouldn't be sitting here right now, but we still might all be together, but we might be held together a different spot. Why do you do that? So you have the two boys go through Ohio State? Um, how many games did you How many games did you

miss her? There's not many, not many. I missed a few of the home games because what I would do is a lot of times Cheryl would hit the home games. Um, and if I was, if I was, you know, because when you play on Sundays. So so I kind of maybe trying to look at the schedule and catch away games for Nick and then the kids Joe. So, um, it's funny because that's evolved too. And I know I'll but Joe actually likes, you know, the away games to see Joe. I see him for five minutes, yeah, and

waved to him. You know, they don't let you through the game. So so again another nugget from Joe. He goes, Dad, why don't you fly out of California hanging out my house a few days before the game, even if I'm away or if a home come foam away, come back? He goes, he stay at the house. When I get back, I cook him dinner. We hang out. The next day he has off, or he goes and does his stretching, and I hang out for a few because that's better

than you fly into these games. So I've actually started doing that with Joe, where I just hang out and then we have you know, we have a great three or four days around around a game. And He's like, don't bother because half the time I'm you know, I'm tempted to fight my way out of these stadiums, and I really don't want to do because man, I don't wear much, you know, like I'll wear maybe a church or shirt or just a little logo. I'm not you know,

I don't have a jersey. But sure enough, you know I must have to fight my way out of New England. And you would think I had a little pull there, and I'm like, man, and I'm like, you know, you guys. Yeah, so so yeah, Joe said, why don't you home games are better environs. So yeah, it's it's you know, it was. It was fun. But Columbus, you know, I mean their spring game hadople she had like six six thousand. You know, it's I'm like, it's pretty cool. Columbus, Sanjosey State. We

have three hundred different levels all across the board. You know. Uh that uh, that experience at Ohio State. I you know, from a from a Saturday standpoint, you know, I'm I'm I'm I love I love the NFL. But but in my heart, I'm really a big college football fan. I like the pageantry, like the bands, like the whole thing.

So so to be able to go to six years worth of games, they're uh, just from an enjoyment standpoint, like there is you get the whole, You get the whole shebang there, you know, you get him after after the games, the whole thing. Yeah. And what was nice is we we developed a lot of really close friends and and so the pregame routine it was the same tailgate they do the walk where they come out of the hotel and we're all there, and I always got my hug. You know, I when walking down the stairs,

so that was important. Get my hug, said high to the coaches. Then they did, they walked and we so we really had kind of a it was a well oiled machine, you know. And then uh, and then for the home games, it was just we're where the kids want to eat that night or or you know, So it was really it was a unique experience of something I hadn't I hadn't really experienced in college. That that is,

you know, Columbus is just amazing. So so Nick Nick with the draft coming up here, Um has the abdominal situation is last year at the and and and and and I read an article recently about him talking about we kind of got the other side of it. You know, it was a lot worse than people thought it was. And I really couldn't have played or shouldn't have played in that situation when and he got in and every everybody with a mouth in front of him was oh,

you know, it's the whole thing. But that had to be tough for you and for him because you know, not to have an injury a certainly of that magnitude for him at that level. Um, look, I'm the same as you. I blew my knee out my first my first game I ever played for the Miami Dolphins. And I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there in the hospital room by myself, going ship. I don't know if my career

is over. I'm going under the knife tomorrow. I don't know if this is the last time I'll ever played football. And it's a it's a tough it's a it's a dark place to be well in the article and then you know it for Nick, it was the worst time of his life. And and and really for me, the heartbreak was so I sat in after spring ball, um and I and I sat with coach j and he

showed me tape from Nick against USC. He's the last, the last the bowl game and then through spring and then through camp, and I mean he was a totally different football player. I mean, and he he had two sacks and a bunch of tackles against USC, and and what he had done in that work in the spring and then through the preseason, I mean he was poised to just he had a chance of sitting in New York. I really believe it, you know, for for for the heisman,

I mean, he was on and he just was unblockable. Um. But I knew he kind of had a little tightness and you know, we we we didn't think about it. He said, you're gonna have to work through that and do your stretching and all of that. Um. But so the heartbreak for me was that all of that work and all of that preparation. Yeah, I mean, he was just he was the next level crazy crazy. I mean, Coach j was so excited. And then you know, for the first quarter he gets a strip sack of TCU

for a touchdown. And then third quarter I'm watching him laying on a turf, UM and it was just it was horrible, like beyond bad um. And then of course what the whole you know, the decision took about ten days, you know, and I reached out right away again you know, my my, my promise to them in good and bad. Right. So I've got to get the best surgeon and this you know Dr Myers, who actually text me this morning, um in Philly. That's all he does his core muscle injuries.

He's the best in the world. He was speaking in Australia. You know, when I when I text him and he calls me back, I mean, the guy is unbelievable, but that's all he does. So we knew right away, and I talked to c A and all the people that that's where we needed to be. So we go to Philly and and and he has the surgery and you know, for the next week week and half in in the rehab after he'd gone back to Columbus. It was a

total distraction. So he's at practice in the corner, you know, doing just doing barely, and the whole team is practicing, and all the presses is huddling around. Nick, what do you think it was a nightmare. Not to mention he's standing around at practice all day, which is kind of required as you know, in college, which is not good for him. And all of this, and so all the between the pressure of the of the press and all

the people and and and the total distract. And so I went back to see Dr Myers and I said, we really need to talk about time frames and things and hows. So his progression was coming along great, but Dr Myers just said, Johnny's he's not gonna play this year. Even if you force him and we push it, his his core won't won't re injure but something else will give because he just won't be ready. And and even when we looked at the calendar, you know, Bowl game,

and yeah, he'd he'd be playing at six. And Nick can't go sixty five or seventy percent. He's going to come off the edge like a madman. So the decision was made and and Dr Meyers said, you have to pull him. He's not gonna happen. And I thanked him so much because I didn't want to do it, you know, I didn't want my sons. My son's college career is gonna end like that. It was. It was just a nightmare.

And with his mentality, you know, once he's going to get the green light to say, well you you can go, but take it easy there, take it nobody know. And and so then we talked and I said, Nick, I said, you know, this is your call, but you know, as your dad, man, I think we need to leave. Dr Meyers said he has a clinic that he works with five minutes from Joe's house. Trainer, his his his chef and and just you gotta go, you know. And I

let him. I let him come to that conclusion. And it was, you know, he met with I went up to see the coaches. I sat down with with with Urban and coach Jay because I wasn't gonna do that over the phone. But Nick Nick had the support of all his teammates, you know, I mean, they totally understood. He sat there and cried with Coach j in the office. I mean, it's you know, it was. It was a horrible thing, but it is what it is. Unfortunately, we've

both been through that situation. And you know, it's funny for people outside of football. You know, you you get injured and and and you're hurt, and you're and you're rehabbing. You're still part of the team, but you're not part of the team. You're you're that guy, You're you're you know there they got they got I gotta prepare that we got Alabama this week, or we got you know whoever, we got Ohio State, whatever it is. They're getting ready

for that. They can't spend time with you. So it's the most it's one of the most lonely places to be if you're if you're if you're a football player, absolutely, and I lived through it, and you know that, um, you know, they're prepping for next week's game. There and and you're just you're totally forgotten, and it's it's tough. It was, you know, being sitting in that training room. Uh, when the guys that were going up for practice, it's

it's horrible, it's horrible. And so for Nick, it was just it was the right thing to do to get him out and get him you know, concentrating on on the on the combine, which sadly that was the next that was the next event. So so once this draft is over, John, you're gonna have had the third pick in the draft and probably the first or second pick

in the draft. And we were talking about it the other day, said, man, what other family is and really the only other families the Mannings, who Elian and Peyton both first you know, first picked in the draft. Um, but you're the first family of the first family, right with a second with with a possible first or second picking, a third pick. Um, that's that's pretty that's pretty amazing.

That it's pretty amazing. And it's funny because I watched that there's a wonderful thirty for thirty I think in the book of Manning, and what a wonderful family and just the cool and that was just so cool to watch and and um, you know, I mean sometimes I honestly I don't. I can't even believe it, you know. It's it's it's our life and our sons and my sons are you know, are living it and they're doing it. But I never really sometimes I don't sit back and say,

Holy kind you know. It's like, you're so blessed when you have one son who makes reaches that level and and and reaches their dream, you know, and both these boys have been dreaming about this and that's been their goal. And to see your sons, both of them, achieve what they dream aimed of and this, you know, sometimes I talk to him because I don't think they even I said, do you understand how many football players there are out there? There are out there? How many how many kids go

to the combine? How many kids are are, you know, praying to get drafted seniors or juniors coming out of them. It's just unbelievable that Nick, you know, Joe was third in the world and Nick's gonna be right there. It's it's pretty cool, yeah, I mean, it's it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty pretty special. It's special to watch them grow up. And watch them play at such a young age and then watch them through college and now to have that

that dream that they've had since they were kids. And it's just a credit to both of those guys, how how they've been able to work at it, how they've been able to to just do the things that discipline it takes to get him in that in the luck to get in that situation. John obviously, obviously these two

boys are ultra competitive, ultra competitive everything they do. So the stones are gonna be the stones are gonna be broken if if if Nick goes number to and and uh, Joey's number three or Nick's number one and Joyce, there's gotta be some gotta be a little bit of a little ball breaking in that, and that I'm sure they will be. But but to be honest with the one thing I'm really proud of Joe is Joe is really he he wants him to be number one. Joe's Nick's

biggest fan of Nick's Joey's big yeah. And that wasn't always, you know, I think the real change in them was when Joe was a senior, Nick was a freshman at the same time as they played together. Because before that Joe was just torturing Nick and they you know, they were just I mean, they were typical brothers. They definitely you know the ping pong games and in a in a broken paddle to all the pool table that it's

everything I tackle from behind. I mean, you know, everything we go bowling and the end up in a problem uh slot car racing with their own cale. They would be a broken It was just painful, and it was just constant. And I was trying to hate you know you guys, let's have some fun here, but it just it was constant. But then that evolution of really Joey being being the helpful big brother. So I think I think when Nick goes, um, if it's in that range,

I think Joe is gonna just be thrilled. It's pretty cool. Before we let you go, I gotta, I gotta. We're talking about this a little bit off the year. Um, so you retired. Now your son's making a lot of money another time. That's why your life is now. That's my pet, Peeve. I parked next to the Lamborghini. I no, no, I'll get to that. So no, that that is my pet, Peeve.

You know I've always uh I've been fortunate in my life, you know, to to be able to to to provide for my sons, and you know, and um and but my son's money is my son's money. And I have promised for them to surround him with wonderful financial advisors, eight agents and and just good people to surround him. Uh and so I can just be dead. And that's really that's really cool, said John John. John John doesn't change. I see John. I saw him in the street, is

in Fort Lauder. It comes around the corner. Hounk my horn at him and John John. John's driving like a let me see son sevent John's driving around like an eighty three, um eighty three Mercedes. Ben, I said, John, I said, you're still driving the same car you got with your signing bonus at Boston College. Man, how don't you get a new damn car, you know, upgrade, upgrade a little bit, you know, so he's not out there driving a Lamborghini about that old piece of ship driving

around for Lauder. Look at that old great, all great Mercedes. That's probably bowls a right over there right around. You know, something's never changed. Rights every beans, it's always good, I always, you know, I've said this. I've said this to A. J. Dewey and you and bom Hower. I wasn't I wasn't drafted early enough because I think I would have fit in with you, I think, and then the crew because that would have been a lot of fun. You've probably been a wreck by now. Hey, hey, John, it's it's

been playing. It's been a pleasure having you in here. And I know it's a it's such a been a great experience for you. And and you know what, I your boys have done what they've done, but you know, they've got to be so so happy and so appreciative of the way you've brought them up and the way you've provided for them, the way you provide advice for him. But then let them be their own guys, let them

do their own thing. There there's very few parents, uh, that I've ever run across that that, I mean, even at the lower levels, that that just can't keep their hands off and let the let let them do what they do, and and and and let them find their own course. And for you to be able to do that and and and have two boys come out forget their football, forget what they do in the field. You know their gentlemen. Uh, they're high class. They do the

right thing. You don't hear them getting in trouble. You don't hear all those things. And and so I applaud you for that. And I'm I'm proud for you. I'm proud of you for that. And I'm certainly proud of of of of knowing your sons and and uh and watching what they've done and look forward to watching their their careers as they as they go on. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Well, I appreciate I enjoyed being here with you guys, and and I do appreciate

those kind words. It's the most important thing to me my whole life. When I had those boys, it was it was a focus of being a good dad. Um, and you know, pride. It's just amazing and obviously we've been blessed. But thank you for that, and thanks for having me. This has been a lot of fun. Dolphin fans, you can it's all that. It's an extension of the FA enjoyed Thursday night and congratulations, Yeah, John was nice. Nice to have John Bows in here. And what a

what a special especial date. Draft night is going to be for that family and for the future of those kids. But it was inter seen hearing his story. We're hearing his side, how he goes about how he went about it with his kids, raising his kids and just being a dad and trying to be the best father he could be, and and yet staying out of the way once they got to an age where they're gonna make their own decision, just you know, kind of set the table for him and then let them go off and decide,

you know, what their future is gonna be. Yeah, and then just uh, but just I think it's amazing. And to me, you know, the tie in with the Dolphins and John being a first round pick, you know, so you think about the two kids, and John was the first round pick himself, you know, so that it really is a pretty pretty amazing story. And uh and and I think Dolphin fans would would like the story. I mean, I think I think football fans would would like that

story of the first family of Defense. Yeah, no doubt about it. Hey, Hey, speaking to the draft, you know the Dolphins thirteen in this draft, John, you think that you think this is a draft for the Dolphins where you stand pad a thirteen and get the best guy you can, you move up, you move down. I mean those all those areas. And as we talked to John a little bit earlier, you know, that first or second pick in the draft could redefine the whole draft, yeah,

or the franchise. But you know, someone someone other than than Kyler Murray or Boza gets picked in the first with the person and all of a sudden, all these mock drafts are just you know, and everybody had a mock draft over the last couple of months, you know, leading up to this. But you're right, if Kyler Murray or Nick Bosa don't go one too or only one of them do um For for me, that means Kyler

Murray isn't gonna get picked number one. That that actually Nick or quinnin Williams, somebody like that goes to Arizona. That really throws the draft board out of whack and brings the Miami Dolphins back into the equation of if they stand pat or even have to move up a few spots, do they select a quarterback in this year's draft.

Everybody has the Dolphins take quarterbacks, but maybe not in the first round this year, and potentially getting a couple maybe one in the second or third, maybe an undrafted free agent at quarterback. But it really they're saying two thousand tens of the year for the Dolphins in terms of quarterback. I don't know. It all depends scenarios out there, you know. And look, I'm gonna say this, but you know, there's there's there's a lot of information going out before

every draft. This draft is no different. You know that information is probably misinformation. You know, teams throwing curveballs and gis we really like this guy or Jesus, guy's got some issues. We're not, you know, and so you're kind of you're kind of trying to play the play, to play the poker game a little bit, you know, let me get this guy, let me get this guy. Thinking

I'm buffing and not with it. But but there was a story that came out that the Jets may be interested in moving and getting out of number three and putting out there, and all of a sudden, I go, that's it's interesting. If you better in love with Kyler Murray and he doesn't go to Arizona, then you're then you gotta be in that game. You gotta be in that game just to get rid of your draft choices, move around, be flexible, and that your guy. I still

think the Dolphins have so many needs. If it kind of holds pat that Murray goes number one to Arizona, that Boza, Allen Williams, whatever that combination go the next couple of picks, and then the Giants do select the quarterback and say it's Dwayne Haskins, I think the Dolphins are staying, gonna stay pat or try to go out exactly if that kind of that scenario holds true on Thursday night, I think the Dolphins we either stay at their team and take a defensive and a defensive tackle,

an offensive lineman, you know that, whether he plays tackle now moved to guard. However that scenario plays out, I still think they're gonna get a great pick and a guy that's gonna play right away at it. And then

you know, one thing we talk. You talk about the needs for this team, and to me, the needs to me are clearly clearly to find in my mind, quarterback to me is gonna be number one until we get that guys, whether it's this year, next year, the year after, Until the Dolphins get that guy, quarterback is going to be priority one in my mind after that edge rusher, offensive line, defensive tackle, cornerback. Those those to me are the kind of the priority of what I see kneeding

in the draft. Now, if if Kyler Murray goes number one, you don't move up, and you're and you're sitting there at thirteen, And based on what everything I've heard and read about this draft, and Chris Greer talked about it last week in his press conference, he said, you know, there's a there's probably about five or six guys that are edge rushers that are all first round quality guys, which leads you to say, okay, you get to you get to number ten, and there's been one of those

guys or two of those guys go off the board, and you've got three other guys back there. He said, wait, you know, let's move down at a couple of dollars. You can still get one of him and grab a couple more draft picks or draft picks down the road. Here. Um that that certainly is a scenario that that that would be something that you would you would think the dollars they would certainly would be going through all the history onics, all the exercises of what that means and

where it is. But certainly I think the Dolphins are gonna be one of those teams are gonna saying, look at a lot of things, and things are gonna change, as as the draft PickStar rolling down as they do every year. And I do think bo that the consideration at thirteen when you hold pat and and to go to your scenario, say there's three other guys that are that are edge rushers, slash defensive tackles that have that

can wear multiple hats. The guys that you can move from a three technique you can stand him up, you can he's versatile. I think if the versatile guy that the Dolphins want that's on the defensive side of the ball, whether it's a tackle and combination of that line outside linebacker guy, if he's there, I think that's when the Dolphins stand Pat because the defensive scheme that you're gonna try to implement this year. And I look, when you think when you look at Brian Flores and then he's

certainly gonna have input into this. Chris Greer is gonna have the final saying in who they pick. But I think the relationship between those two is so tight that that they're they're almost you know, one in one a right I have to be and I think they're gonna be in in you know, in you know, in unison

as to what they do. But if you got that guy and and looking at where Brian Flores has come from, that that organization and what they've done defensively, where you've got that guy that can do go back to Rob Nickovic who we had when he went up there. He could play linebacker, he could cover, he could put them down three points. So that those those guys like like

you said, those guys that can do multiple things. I can move this guy in his a tackle if I need to, I can put him as the ed rushing defensive and with his hand in the ground, I could stand him up if they If that guy's there, I agree with you, then that's the guy, you know in quarterbacks out of the picture. Then then that guy, yeah, you don't you stay at that want and even if you have to go get him, if you think that

he's that specially you have to go to ten. You have to, you know, wherever it is to get him. Because I think there are a couple of guys on the defensive side. You know that ed Oliver's name is starting. It's been creeping up over the last uh, I don't know, three or four weeks. Uh. He played nose tackle. He played a three technique defensive end. Uh, defensive tackle. He moved outside and you can stand him up and rush. He can actually drop, you know, at to eighty He's

that flexible. So you've you've got guys like that in this draft. And the bad part is too, you know, we need a quarterback. The Dolphins have been yearning. You know, now that you know, you move on and you you look at that position, are you are do the Dolphins have enough to move up? Or do they have that can get up to where you need to be? And is that guy that is good enough that you feel

like that's your franchise quarterback? And and like we said earlier, like whether it's the Jets at three, whether it's Oakland at four, who where wherever it is there are where someone maybe wants to drop down and and there's that guy that you understand this For the Dolphins to do that, you're gonna have to give away a good portion of this of the rest of this draft could be a little bit next year. Right now, you got you got

the thirteenth pick in the draft. Uh, you've got the forty eighth overall picks seventy eight one six one uh to thirty three, UH to thirty four. So you've got one, two, three or four. You've got seven draft picks right now.

You know you may end up with three if you, if you, if Kyle and you're sitting there in San Francisco, Let's say, let's say let's say Arizona takes Joey Boza or Nick Boza and and and um in San Francisco takes Jonah Williams offensive tackle or Quinn whoever those one of those guys, and all of a sudden, now you're sitting going on Kyler Murray sitting there at number three. Jets have shown that they want to move out of this.

They've got their quarterback of the future. You know, do we pull the trigger and and what the Jets want to do that within the division, which is another because the Raiders three picks, three number one picks in the first round. At sitting at four, They've got a lot of our artillery, you know, and a lot of mock

drafts have the Raiders picking Alabama players. They got them taking the offensive lineman and Jonah Williams they got him, you know, possibly taking Quinnon Williams the defensive tackle, and they may go back and get a running back and Josh Jacobs, you know, to take that the whole that you know has played at a high level. So they're not you know, they're they're set. They're gonna stay and pick the pick the guys. Let me ask you a

stupid question here, Raiders are Raiders moving to Las Vegas? Yeah? Do you think when the Raiders are evaluating talent and who they're gonna pick, they take into account where they're gonna be at and what that city. The city Well, it's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like the I remember when the NBA teams count down they got the South Beach virus, right, Yeah, they'd come out of me. Then they won ten straight games. That comes. Yeah,

you know that. So you would you would think that, And look, I would think probably here in Miami too, there's a little bit of hey, this guy was a party guy there, you're putting him this close to South Beach. I don't know that we want to create that temptation

for something. Possibly, I think you have to take into consideration just about everything, you know, every minute detail when you're in the GM or you're the head coach or you're in that management position where you're trying to draft a guy, how how is he going to fit into the community, How is he gonna fit on in this organization. I just I think you have to kind of go down that list and say, was this guy, where was his trouble, where the outliers, and how does he either

fit or or not fit into our organization. So there's been a ton of the ton of mop drafts. Uh, and we got a little line up year of of of kind of the frequency of of of names coming up throughout the dot pick for the Dolphins and Andre Dillard the tackle to Washington State, Uh, you know he's been named too much. We talked about Jonah Williams offensive linement from Alabama. He's been there quite a bit. At Oliver the defensive tackle from Houston, Montest Sweat. He's an

interesting guy. I mean, crazy numbers, creaky athlete, what do you what do you run? Like a four four to seventy or whatever? He is, But now there, but now that we're now it's come out. He's got a little heart condition and he's off some boards said, and he stepped out of the green rooms. So what's she going on? What's that all about? Fall? You know? Where where does

he plummet? Or is or is you know, somebody's still an organization still willing to take a chance on it, willing to take a chance and feel like, you know what, it's not as big a problem as some some from making out to be. So I think every organization and treats that differently. And again you know that that all could be part of that misinformation. There's gonna you know,

there's an initiative. There may be a team out there that just really like and say, hey, you know, go throw this out, throw this out there a little bit. You know, let's muddy the waters a little bit and keep us and and look, I'm not you know, I'm not making this thing that had happened so so so mantes what he's to me one of those It's gonna be interesting to see where he goes. And you know, it's a very very lurrymi tounsil type of a situation with him. If if you buy into it, guy, could

he could plummet? Like you said, if you say no, no, No, someone's trying to pull a rug over my art. Doctors feel it's not as big a problem as others are making it out to me. And Dwayne Haskins has been a name of the Ohio State quarterback. His name has been and he's another guy that over the last couple of weeks he's pulled out of going to the draft.

He's not going, so you wonder if you know, there's some some truth to that that maybe he's because everybody had the Giants taking him exactly, you know, everything almost is a sure thing. Yeah, helies on his last leg. They need a quarterback in the future. Uh yeah, I just don't know. His name has has been one of those that has a question mark around, even though his post Combine Pro Day workouts have been terrific throwing the football.

His numbers for fourteen starts in his college career outstanding, fifty touchdowns, uh high completion percentage, a lot of yards, very productive in college. Another guy kid from Clemson, the defensive tackle, Christian Wilkins, Rashaan Gary, Rashawn Gary, the defensive and out of Michigan. He's another guy that's had some some some questions about motors motor questions. Is he one of those guys that you know and and and look, we we've gone through you know, the Dion Jordan's Where

you were when they drafted this kid. You're like, Wow, this guy is gonna really be And then he just didn't have the you know, he's kind of got it back in Seattle now, I mean he's he's he's playing. Yeah, but boy, what a what to take him at number three overall and to move up to do it and then have it be you know, fall flat on your face and and so and Rashawn Garry's got those kind

of questions about him. Very productive player at Michigan, did a lot of good things up there, but you know, you get you get tagged with something, and boy, it's hard to shake it. It is until you get in the league and show that you know, that was Maybe it was a bad scheme he was in, Maybe it was this you know, maybe it just didn't suit him. He was trying to do his job for the guys

you know next to him. But you know, then you have a guy like Simmons from Mississippi State, who's I think ascending in this draft because everybody's talking about him is number one of the top two defensive tackles, edge rusher. You can do a little bit of everything with him. Florida State's got the Brian Burns another guy, and then the other guy that said that's kind of been floating around there is Drew Lock, the quarterback out of Missouri.

He's one of those guys that you think is probably gonna be there right around with the Dolphins if they stay pat. And you know, you had the mock draft this weekend where uh, guys, I think it was Mel Kuyper Jr. And you know, they were switching picks on ESPN. It was a consensus that Drew Lock was coming to the Dolphins and their team. So yeah, it's so it's it's you know, those are the guys that have really been kind of in that mock world that have been

they're floating around thirteen. Yeah, they're they're kind of floating around in that area. So it could be any one of those makes it exciting. You don't know which way the Dolphins are gonna go, and you don't know how that how it's gonna stack up of who's gonna be there in terms of their Dolphins go defensive line, do they go offensive line, do they take their quarterback to

the future. It's it's gonna be exciting. It is. And if you're down here in South Florida on Thursday, the Dolphins always do the you know, do a great deal over the drafted Rock Stadium. It's free. I think you just gotta you gotta get to go online and and and register to get to get a reservation or whatever.

And but it doesn't it doesn't cost anything. So and John, I remember sitting there with you and Sam last year and we saw the draft, the draft board change, someone change, and then all of these things started moving around and we're sitting to Gona. Oh jeez, you know they got uh, the kid from the Edmunds, the Tremaine edmund You got the quarterbacks. Sitting there, you're going jeez, thiss and that, and and then all of a sudden and we and you're the one, you pob You go, hey, let's not

forget about making Fitzpatrick. He's still on board. He was here's projectingly the top five guy. We kind of we kind of over kind of you know, talk around here, and all of a sudden they picked me. A wow, because it really didn't need you know that position, but he was the best player that was available and and proved to be just valuable. Just that about it. So

it's gonna be an interesting draft. The draft is always fun and it's always a it's always just showing I'm gonna be there for uh, be there for with uh with CBS covering it for uh for for for guys down here and uh so I'm looking forward to that being it's it's it's it is a fun environment to being and you know what, you anytime you go to somewhere with the NFL, that's that's of that magnitude, the draft or the combine or you know, Senior bulls what

you see so many people that you know, I'm looking forward to just seeing people that yeah, and stuff like that. So looking forward to but yeah, but anyway, so that's it. That's it. Drafts coming up, it's right here. Next week. John will be talking about who we got talking about you know, which guy where they're gonna fit and that to me, I'm not a big I'm not a big fan of prognosticating the draft mock drafts, and because I've

seen it change, let me know who we have. But wait, let me wait till we find out who we got and then find out where they fit in. And then let's get to those O, T, A s or whatever and get your first look and see, hey, this guy looks pretty good. This guy I don't know about that. You know, I remember guys looking where you've seen him in ten minutes ago. I don't know if this guy can play. And and you know you're hoping exactly, no

doubt about that. But good time, good you know, drafts always fun and and and really we we talked ab a little bit last week in the show. It really kicks off the fact that football is right around the corner. Even when the guys hit the field. You know, you see the logo on the helmet, you feel like, wow, football is around the corner. All right. So it's been a good been a good day. I want to thank

John Bows again. John was great. I mean, what a what a perspective, Uh, you know, from from that perspective of being a dad of two of the top draft picks ever in the dzing pretty amazing story and the way he's brought them up and uh to what they

are is it was a good story. And uh and again of course the draft and everything that's going on here with the dolphins all tied in together for dolphin fans, so I think it was a I think it was a good day to day, awesome day being spending time with the safe travels and we'll see you when you get there. For John kN Jemmy, I'm Kim Bokamper. We'll catch you guys next week.