The Audible Ep. 14 | Bobby McCain

does a podcast. Now you can have a phone and you can have a little privacy area. I was just looking through something yesterday, just kind of going through some stuff, and I see, uh Greg Cosell. He's a big pot. They got a big, big roll out of his podcast. Everybody got a podcast. I just don't know where you well, I know where you find him, but I don't. I don't. I need to delve more. We won't worry about the podcast. We'll worry about the more. Hey, guys, uh Minicamp wraps

up and it's kind of become a little tradition. You know, these guys have been through O T A s. They've been been here for a long time going through offseason conditions. You excuse me, most podcasts don't get that have to edit that logan that's even live. This your live and real and whatever you do, don't don't don't sneaks and ruin our podcast. Bro a right, But anyways, kind of come a tradition where that last day everyone's been through.

It's been a grind for some of these guys, especially the especially the college kids that came right out of their season, went right in to start working out for whether they were going to combine or not give themselves ready for pro days, combine all those things and boom right into it. So they haven't had a break. They had much of a break since really since going back to last August. So I'm sure they're they're they're not. So anyway, coach gives them the last day of the

of the mini camp off. Well, I'll tell you what, it's a lot of learning and being at minicamp the last couple of days. Um, there's some learning to be done. You can tell the veteran guys that have been here that are going full speed, aren't thinking about anything, been in this offense and defense and then all the new guys stand out like a sore thumb, not sure where to line up, going about half speed because they're thinking instead of just playing. And so that's what this is

for man learning. They've been in the they've been in the teaching rooms and and going through position stuff with their coaches, but it's different getting out there and making adjustments with some guy over here. Would you guess, Sean that some of these guys, in particular the rookies may want to say, well, look, I think I'm just gonna stick around here in South Florida until training camp rolls around. I think so, I mean, why not? You know people

are saying I'm going here for vacation. I'm going there for vacation. A lot of people live where other people vacation right their jobs on the line. More most importantly, and did Joe's point, You could absolutely tell when Ryan Tannehill in the first group are in the huddle and they break or they're on the ball and they're going

hurry up and the communications really flawless. Defense the same way now the twos and threes come out and Bryce Petty is trying to get everybody back in the huddle after they've been on the line of scrimmage, because everybody's looking at each other going what what do we? Where

do we I line up? Where do I go? So I do think that some of these young guys, they may go home for a week and then and I'm and then you come back early, get back in the classroom, get back in there, because there's nothing, like Joe said, perfectly, there's nothing that can emulate or or or kind of go out on the field and go through at full speed. You can't do that in the classroom. You can learn it things, you can get tag names, you can remember keys that will help you remember plays and tags on

certain things. But to actually do it when the clock's running and you're under pressure and you're trying to figure out where to line up, let alone what coverage it is and how my route adjustment changes. You know, after the ball snapped, there's a lot of thinking going on. You could feel the smoke coming out a lot of helmets out there. But let me ask you both, this is your because you're offensive guys. You you've you've lived

in offensive huddles. I haven't lived in offense huddles. But and when I when I when I listen to things. Now when I hear coaches talk about plays, man, I just think, I just think, man. And look it's not just the Dolphins. I think everybody's in this mode now. The play calling is so worthy these days. You know,

it's very long, very worthy. I mean, you know, I mean back in the day, you know, it's like yo, I don't know, you know, two thirty seven and then you throw some the you know, the route numbers out or something. You know, it's quick, short and everything. We were very smart guys. Yeah, exactly, take off. That was it. And so you you, so you get and you you basically get. You get the you get the scheme, the blocking scheme, and you get routes. Right, so it's basically

get it. Now you're listen doing this, you know the word it's it's just so you. And I wonder if that makes John makes it difficult for some of these guys that are coming in. You know, you're trying and trying to trying to jump jump over the hurdles of the of the of the terminology and keep getting tripped up. Does that have something to do with it? What makes

it more difficult? And I guess it does. And what makes it more difficult is when you come from a university that has a board with four pictures on it, and you've got eight guys signaling to eight different people. On the sidelines, i have one person signaling to the wide receivers want to on your on that side. Now I've got another coach signaling to the receivers on the other side. Now I've got somebody going to the offensive line and giving them their protection. So as a quarterback,

I'm not doing anything. I'm looking at the play that I'm getting from the sidelines. Lyneman has the protection, white outs have the routes. Back has his his read on too hot from the weak side, I'm blocking here, I'm hot here. They have all that taken care of. So now you come to the NFL and you've got you know, shift to why shift a seminole right? Tag it with another thing, and then you've got something in the middle

to say, well, that's really a dummy call. Now I'm gonna kill it and give you another call at the line of scrimmage, or call two plays at once. So there there's a lot of things going on that guys are not up to speed with you, So it's hard to evaluate the new players that are here. You can say, hey, that guy runs well, that guy catches the ball well, but you can't tell me if he was right on that player or not, because you don't know he doesn't right.

I can just remember coming in and and and you know, they draft me as outside linebacker. I've never played linebacker in my life, so I'm just I'm just becoming new to I've never covered anybody in my life. So I come out here and and we run, and I remember the first cover we put in was our one coverage, one coverage. If I'm on the strong side, tight inside, I gotta get out to the yo cut and I gotta get you know, get the short out. I gotta be the short outside. If if I'm on the weak side,

I got the week back man to man. I remember those things. Yes, you know all that, but so so I remember the first time. So so bill On he goes, all right, get you know, you go to the show Old Cancer. So so it's it's a zone. It's it's it's a it's a combo. It's a man man zone coverage. So staff the ball, I see the quarterback, so I'm sprint out to the to the short short out. Side, and I stand sitting and I just stopped and they throw the ball like over my head a little bit,

And damn, but what you're doing out there? I said, why I got to where you told me? But you gotta do something once you get there. You can't just sit there and set up camp. Man. You gotta do something, you know. It's just like I got out there. Man, I'm out there, you know. But but then you get out there, then you got something. You gotta make something. Laugh. But so it's it's, you know, it's it's it's sometimes

stuff like that elementary. But all I remember that I had so much crap going on through my head at that during at that time that I was just so I'm just happy to got out to where I was supposed to be, you know, I got It's a massive overload, man, especially like you said, when both these sides of the ball the running the same terminology. Guys that have been here, have been through the system, so they're just they're just continuing on what they already know. They're they're just stacking

more knowledge on top of knowledge. Where these rookies are there, they're getting the basic stuff out there. So yeah, it's gonna take a while for these guys. But uh, but it's fun. It's fun sometimes though, even though you know the young guys even better, and sometimes you're gonna have

you know, mental errors or breakdowns and mistakes. But it's it's been fun to watch once they get into one on ones and you kind of like, look at that body type and that guy big catch, you climb the ladder for that one, or that guy who encouraged he's pretty quick getting out of his break and getting to the football. You see those little traits that might carry

over once they're organized. Well, I think I think for the most part, I think most people that that that have been around football, that watch football, can watch a young guy and know that, hey, this guy is just trying to figure out what he's doing out here. But you see those you see those bursts every now and then, but that goes oh there, you go that that's that's

what you saw yesterday. Actually, if you were to look a wow, way ahead of the chart, he you saw his physical talent the last couple of days running by guys, catching a ball over his shoulder. He's got really good hands and he's got a gear. Yeah, Hey, one of the guys out there too. That's gotta be happy. Guy Bobby McCain. Uh, we've talked about Bobby all all all

during the off season. Now he made that big, that that that big raised his game a couple of levels last year and got paid for it during the off season with just recently with a contract. And I'm happy for Bobby. You know, he's a guy who worked hard and deserved it. But here's the guy there's gotta be happy to be running around with with a big with a big wallet and a little bit he got a little different and the guys are giving him the needle

to big paid house. Yeah, that's great. Hey, listen, you're right, Bobby's one the most improved players on the team a year ago. I was looking at the roster this morning of of guys who made the big jump and what he did in the slot, and how much better he got in coverage, uh, and the things. Hey, that's an inside outside go man. There are a lot of corners they're going no, no, no, you take it inside. I like having that sideline. I don't want to have to have a two way go plus over the top. So

he's really a nice job. He's become one of the better players at his position in the league. And I think he's become one of the leaders. Any questions about that, I think he's a you know, Bob, Bobby's got that and there's guys like that that that we've all played with that he's got that unique unique He's a fun guy, you know, he's easy to get along with, he likes to laugh like but but when it comes to business, he's all business about being better. He's about getting better.

He's about making everyone around him better. And I think and I think that that that is part of the reason I think why this team invested that money and Bobby because of all those things he brings to the table. Talk about his leadership, talk about him being vocal out in the field, no one where everyone's supposed to be. And by the way, you know, he's proven that he can cover in this league and uh and be very successful.

I wouldn't go ahead, Joe, I just say finding a guy to cover inside with all those things, all the intagible as you talked about, has made him really really valuable, and including the work in the off season, what he's done. Yeah, we got a chance to catch up with with Bobby a little bit earlier and during these uh O t s and stuff, and uh, we didn't we didn't have I wish I had known he's gonna get the contract. I wouldn't ask him about it, but I'd asked him

for a little dope. You've got a little extra extract. Yeah, podcast exactly. Let's let's hear what Bobby had to say. All right, Humber with Bobby your Kane and uh, what have you been doing with yourself? Though? Now she's a season ended to get to where we're at right now, just trying to stay in shape. Um, you know, just working out, doing doing it, trying to do the right things and just get my body right for what's coming up and what's coming ahead. We got a big season

to head for us. And uh, you know, I attended the business combine that Mr Ross put on in New York and it was it was a very exciting experience. It was I'm very great for to be able to go because you can learn so much from so many people and just uh he had tons just him speaking and hearing the other influential people they are speaking that you know, it's it's good to just pick their brains

and take notes. We're gonna touch on that a little bit later on the program, because I think it's really one of the great things that that Mr. Ross was doing for for his players and people around the league that want to get involved. We'll touch on that a little bit, but for first, let's talk a little bit about you know, the one the one constant in the NFL. He has become change. I remember the number for a

number of years was was fort turnover. Basically on every team, you got seven draft choices, most of them usually make the team, and that's a big ball. Your free agents move coming and going, and it seems like even now this year a little bit more volatile the movement is. It's been a strange offseason for you seeing guys come and go and the and the movements that really really aren't done with until until you guys go into training camp and get to that business. Yeah, you know, it's uh,

it's it's the NFL. You know, it's it's it's it's a it's a business where you know, things happen, things change, and um, you know, we had some big we made some big moves and some big changes, but you know, they have a plan, you know, and my job is to play football, you know, so um, you know, just go out and do everything you can, and like, like I wish those guys the best of luck. And I know they're gonna have great futures in their careers. You know,

they're really good players. And um, so just knowing, like you know, just just putting your best foot forward every day, coming out every day and knowing that you know, no one's safe. You know. We just like like we just said, we just traded Jarvis. Um, you know, really Sue, you know, those are those are big name guys, and those are big guys that that we're a big part of the team. And um, you know, unfortunately're going so now we have to you have to look forward and and just just

go with what with what's best. It's the nature of the beast. I mean, every team in the NFL is going through comings and goings. The guy that you know, certainly certainly a lot of those guys that meant a lot to this football team for a long period of times. But the guy that struck me latest was Michael Thomas. I like Michael Thomas, a good guy, a good guy to have around the team. And uh and and I kind of hate to see him go. But that's kind

of the same with everybody. You kind of get to know guys, and you know, it's different from a player standpoint. You obviously get to know him at a different level than we do outside the locker room. Um is it tough Sometimes you see guys that you have a friend relationship friendly relationship with the jettison or or choose to go somewhere else. It definitely is definitely is like speaking on Mike Tam Mike, he's one of the greatest guys

I've been around. You know, he's one of the He's a really good football player and he's an even better person. You know, he does what he's supposed to do in the community and you know he's a real role model for people out here. Um. Just and that's why you get so much love, you know, And it does it sucks to see your friends go because, like I said, when I came in, um I had there's only like maybe I think two maybe three of my guys that were in my class, um that were drafted in my

class and that are left here. So you know, it does, it does something. But like you said, it's a nature of the beast and like the NFL is always changing, and um, you know there's gonna be there's gonna be new faces in the locker room, new faces in the meeting rooms. You know, you just got to you you have to put together and that's that's what being a team is all about. Bobby. You spent a lot of time since you've been here trying to improve your game,

trying trying to be a better player. And that's what your life in the NFL. It's always trying to find that one thing that makes you a little better. And boy, you took a big leap last year. I thought you really did a lot of good things last year. Six team games, you have seven starts during the season, You got out of the cornerback spot, and you got a chance to play out there a little bit more rather than playing inside and some of the uh the the

nickel and dime packages there. Um, do you feel good about what you accomplished last year? Personally? Oh? Yeah, you know you Um, you have people tell you had a good year, and you know, just being honest, you know, if you did or you didn't, But uh, I know

I can be better, you know, I know. I don't let I try not to try to indulge in and what people are saying to me, and just keep working, keeputing my head down and keep doing I'm doing, you know, because each year I've gotten better, and like I said, this next year, I'll I don't get better. And um, that's the nature of the game. If you're not getting better,

get worse, period. And that's just how it is. So you know, I appreciate the compliment, like you said, but um, like like I said, I haven't had my best year. You got to step out in the corner a little bit. Uh did you like doing that? And it's certainly I think you certainly send a metchages to everybody in that secondary that Hey, I'm I'm I'm more than one trick pony. I got playing inside, but I can also go outside and cover anyone you need out there. I think you

certainly made that evident last year. Yeah, for sure, for sure I can do it all, you know, if you Regardless where I play, I'm gonna try to get the job done. And uh, that's my job as a football player, and that's my job. That's my role for the Dolphins. Wherever you wherever you are, wherever your play is get the job done and Um, that's why I like to do like so talk about changing the team. Guys coming in. Uh, one of the guys certainly interested coming in, Danny Ammondola.

You got up close in person with him last year up in New England. Um, gotta kinda take us through that little thing and that little scuffle up there. I I was right there kind of watching it. Quite frankly, that's the kind of football I like. I enjoyed it. So you know, I wouldn't have thrown the fly, but that's just me, but kind of take it. That was

something that's kind of It's funny these things. People see him at the moment and sometimes these things start maybe a game too, maybe a year back where things going. Is this has just been something that's come along or was this just a one time game situation? You know it was a game situation. You know, it was really intense. You know, anytime you play the Patriots is gonna be intense,

you know. Um, So, like like I said, now he's my teammate now, you know, and uh you know, now we're gonna go to war together and that that that's what it is. You know. Well, I'm sure we'll have a conversation about what we went on. But like, like I said, at the end of the day, now we're trying to win games. So you know, we're teammates and we're gonna try to go and get the job done regardless. Like I said, I'm on the side, he's on my side. So I hated the guy for the last five years.

Now I like him. Yeah, you know, he's like I said, man, he's good football, football, tough guy. He uh, he's a good player. You know. Unfortunately we had our differences, you know, but that happens. You know, well, like and like like practice, now it's it's it's game day every day now, you know, regardless of he's on our team, regardless who's that in front of you know, it's just it should be that. That's what pragice should be. They should be competitive. It

should be good football. You know, where people are competing, people are trying to get people trying to win. Well, you you don't, you don't. You don't get in that situation with a guy like Danny em Indoor or anybody else that you're playing with if you're not competing at the highest level. And and to me, that's that's just a byproduct of going out there and playing your ass off and you know, you guys, guys mix it up and you're two very competitive guys. Like I said, I

don't see a big problem with it myself. Yeah, yeah for sure. Um, but you did get thrown out of the game. Yeah I did. And you got thrown out of a game in New England. Yeah, that's a long walk in the locker room from that side of the field with all those people, and they're and they're not very hesitant to voice their opinion. Was that I was. I was that walk into the locker room that they let me have it. You know, they let me have it.

They're gonna let you know that you know you're wrong, and you know you're you're you're you're know you'll know when you're in New England, I promise. And uh but like I said, you know, I lost my cool and like I told the team after a game, you know it won't happen again. And um, you know I told him, I got I got the I got the privilege to speak to the team before the Patriots game at home, and you know, I just was telling them how you know,

how I was filming. I just I told him from I spoke from the heart, and I told him, you know, hey, like I want to win, regardless of what it takes, I'm gonna I told him, I promise you I'm gonna be in this game awful quarters. So I probably made that promise and I kept it. Well, we'll give me fifty two guys that are that are that are that committed to trying to win a football game. Uh and and and we'll do pretty good with with that type of group. So I got no problem with that. Hey,

we were talking about it. So let's let's get let's get onto Mr Ross and uh. He's done this for the last couple of years, runs a business combine. I think last year, I think he had nineteen guys up there. I think they're probably a similar amount of number of guys up there this year. I don't know how many the guys the same guys from the year before this year. But but he gives players an opportunity and it's an open invite to anybody that wants to come up. I

understand on the team is that you know, come on up. Uh, you're gonna get to sit in the meetings with with myself, CEOs from other companies, presidents of other companies, people are that are in very powerful and very very powerful positions in the business world. Um And and first of all, that Mr Ross would do that and extend that invitation says a lot about a lot of people in a

lot of people around sports, around football. I think that two owners, players are nothing more than a than a you know, than a piece of meat and and a chess chess piece to move around. I think this kind of shows that Mr Ross a little bit different owner than that he's concerned with not only what you do now as a player, but that you're ready when you're done playing to be able to go on. And look, you know, I haven't played in thirty years. I'm sixty three years old. I've got a lot of I had

a lot of life after football. You're gonna have a lot of life after football. Certainly nice to have somebody behind you here trying to get you ready for that life so you can be successful successful then as you've

been up until now. Yeah, for sure, you know, like I said, like you said, is appreciate him inviting me up because you learn so much just not from the footb just seeing things from outside of football, you know, and like one um, one of the owners told us up there, he told us, you know you're gonna play football for ten to fifteen years. That's a third of

your life, you know. So you have so much life ahead of you that you have to set yourself in place to take care of your family, be able to just to be able to like you want if you want to be able to change the world, but to be honest and um, you know, just influential people like you said, like CEOs and presidents of different companies coming and speaking here Mr raw speak and seeing the Hudson

Yards and what he has going up. You know, it's just being around those influential people's it's a very it's it's it's really exciting. And uh, like I said it, you want to pick their brain. You want to pick their brain, take down notes because you never know one thing they may say it may it may stick with you forever. So it was a great confident from me when you see successful people and what they've done to be successful, and only what they've done to get successful,

but what they do to continue to be successful. Because like you said, after your your life, it's a you're a long way to go and It's all about continuing to provide for your family and do all those things. I know you talked with the NFL network nad Burlson's guys, is that something that you're that as you look down the road, that broadcasting or some type something like that, is it is something you would like to invest in. Yeah, definitely broadcast, TV radio, you know that, that's something I

feel like I have a love for. I have a passion for you know that. And kids. You know I love coaching, so um those two like just just being able to talk with him and just being able to just pick his brain and and just be able to get some tips and just be like, know what I would I need to start, where I need to finish? What do I need to you know? What do I

need to say? How do I need to look? Or how No, regardless of he and him himself, he he gave me great notes and great tips and just be yourself, you know, just be yourself and be who you are. And like I said, it was a a is a great opportunity for me abible to talk to him Mr Rawson, other owners and executive. You know, I haven't been through it. I I believe I truly believe that for life after the NFL is maybe one of the greatest platforms ever for you to take off and and get get what

you want to get into. Did they talk a little bit of you about managing money this type of things, because, uh, you know, in the world old now and in the NFL, there's a lot of people out there. They want to stick their hand in your pocket and and trying to decide, you know, who you want to get in bed with, who you don't want to get in bed with. Uh. It really is a make or break for a lot of players. Where there's somewhere there's any conversations about that

going down the road. Yeah, you know there were conversations of that there. Um just speaking on you know, money management. You know that that football money is it'll it'll last you if you play in the league a long time, it can last you a lifetime if you if you take care of yourself, you know, if you're not out,

if you're out handling it responsibly. You know, if you're not, then they can be short term and you may have to get a job where you're working nine of five, which is nothing wrong with that, but that you have a great opportunity to be able to set yourself up.

You have a platform that you can just really branch out and see what's out in the world, you know, and not not even not being with money, just being just as a as a just having that label as an NFL player, you know, just having that label and having that shield behind you. You know, people want to know, like, Okay, how do you how do you do it? You know, just like I want to know, like being putting a suit and tie on, sitting in front of Mr Ross,

how do you do it? You know? And one thing you spoke to me was one thing he said, when first you got in the room with success, bre you success? And that kind of suckled me. And it can mean a lot of things. You can mean a lot of meetings, you know, And for me it's just I've just taken home to you know what I'm saying. If you, if you continue to do what you're doing, you continue to be successful, then that should carry over, carry over, carry

over to where you want to be in life. You know, because if I, if I can do this, if I can play football for how many years I don't play football, actually be able to do anything well well I'm sure you started playing football and you're about nine years old and here you are in the NFL. Uh, and you look back all over that time at at the we're all the work you put in to get from there to here over the years, and that's what's made you successful.

And it's funny because I try to tell guys like like, well, just remember what you did to get here and do the same thing and whatever that. Whether it's broadcasting, whether you become a business owner, uh, you know, whatever field you go into, you've got the greatest background because you've accomplished something that very few people in this world have ever accomplished, and you've done it with hard work. Transferred over to what you do after seems to be a

pretty easy, a pretty easy transition exactly. Having that mentality of uh, like like getting the job done. My mentality when I stepped out on the field. All Right, I'm gonna get the job done. You know, we got the balls up in the air. Let me get the job that I want, the ball knocked, the ball down, you know, regardless of it. Take that mentality and put it in a business world and you'll get the job done regardless. Yeah, it's different it's a little different, you man and dress different.

You may have to you know, you may have to do things differently, but at the end of the day, get the job done good. I mean, that's a great thing to do. And and I'm sure we really enjoyed that. You play baseball at Memphis. Where's baseball in your life anymore? You pay attention to it? Do you watch watch baseball

or watch I watch it from found the time. It's tough to watch watch so uh, you know, but I pay attention from time to time if there's a good baseball game on of course the playoffs I watch and um but uh no, I still love baseball. Like I said, my my son's gonna play baseball. They don't really have a choice. So he uh not not saying I'm rad and your kid, you played all you played all through when you're in Memphis. No, no, no, no, no, you

just uh I played at school. I started in Memphis like when I was when I first got there, and it was just it was a lot to handle, you know. Yeah, it's a lot handle with books and football and school workouts. You know, it's a lot to do, a lot to handle. Yeah. I can hit, Yeah, I can do. It was pretty good. Yeah, I wasn't bad. We couldn't you hit? Uh? Oh man, Uh I had trouble. Can change up? Yeah I got Yeah,

I got to change up baseball. It's funny, good, it's funny you mentioned because baseball it's a kid that's great really one of the great games to play. Uh. But now it's gotten so slow and it's kind of it's kind of the mud and you know, i'd like to see something, but I don't. You know, I'd like to see him pick it up, but I but I don't want to see him change the game either, which kind of exactly exactly. And like you said, like it's so it's fun to play. It's fun to be on the field.

It's fun to be out, you know, getting ready for the ball, whatever, hitting the ball, pitching, catching, whatever you're doing. But man, when you're sitting behind that TV and it's going really oh man, it's tough. Hey, let's kind of get back to where where you are right now. What do you do between now and the time the training camp starts so that you can you can compete at the level you want to compete in once the season begins. See, it's a big change from my rookie year to my

fourth year. So my rookie year, I would say, you know, I'm gonna work out, run really hard, and you know, just do what I gotta do. But it takes more than that, you know, there's um it takes more for your body. It takes more mentally. You know, you have to even now if you want to get a electra study time, man, like you know, just turn to turn the film on, even if it's five ten minutes. You just sit in front of the TV turning film and watch the Patriot. You claim twice a year, why not

you know? So um even that like but like such as working out. Nutrition, that's one thing that I take seriously now you know from my route from then to now. Um. Nutrition, Uh, physical therapy, just taking care of the body, massages regardless what it is, because it is he the long see, it's a really long season ahead of you. And um, you know during O t A. You know, we do a great job here of of trying to saying in shape,

running condition and meets and whatnot. But you have to do whatever you have to do get the extra mile because clearly we didn't do enough. You know, we're in six and ten. So whatever you gotta do to get the extra step in, we have to. We have to

take care of it. We spend time this offseason with X and Tank the young guys out there and kind of try to get them from where they are they are as as after rookies and actually second year going into his third year, where you can kind of kind of help them bridge that gap to get to get to be the players they want to be sooner than

maybe they could be. Yeah, dB, the DBS, we actually some of us train together, me x um t j lip we we we we we trained together, and uh, you know, just to push each other, you know, regardless, like we we uh, just to push each other to make sure we're all doing the right things, not saying doing the right things, but just working, like working our tails because we want to be great, you know, like regardless, we don't want to be average now. We want to

be the best secondary in the league. And that's and we have a chance to be. With the players we have here, we have a chance to be. So just uh, you know, pushing each other, going a extra going that extra mile, uh, doing whatever we have to do, man, just just to be able to say hey, okay, we put the work in. Now it's time to show it, you know, because it's not guaranteed. Just because you work hard does mean you're gonna come out win ball games.

That that doesn't happen. It takes, it takes more than that. Yeah, I'm looking for a lipid. I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do. You know, he had such a good year the year before it really became on as as a as a dB back there in the corner um the year before, and the unfortunately had the injury. So I'm looking forward to see what he can what he can do and continue to grow this year. Yeah, for sure, for sure, he's uh, he's he's getting he's

getting healthy. He's looking really good. You know, he's he's he's ahead of the of the process of wherever he is in his rehab. But um, you know, he's looking real good. What's what's the feeling like in that dB room? Competitive helping? Well, what's it? What's it like? It's it's

a couple. It's it's a couple of feelings. Man, it's competitive, it's it's you know, we help each other like there there There'll never be a time where a gul asked, I can't ask a question because he doesn't because he's like, oh man, or there never be a time where a guy won't answer a question. You know, if I any anyone answering me, anyone ask me a question, I'll try

my best answer. I don't know it, I'll ask, you know, so you know, just being like like you said, we had Tank rookie and Moe Tory, and we had a couple of rookies in the room. You know those guys anytime they ask questions, you know, just help them. You know. That's and that's that's what we're doing. We're really close.

We're right now, like we're still building chemistry. Like we said, we're trained together and that that all that all goes together, you know, regardless we got we have vests in our room, such a shot and um you know and t J and guys that have been in the league six plus years, so um, you know, just it's competitive, but it's also you know, it's also it's also like a like I'm not gonna say a friend zone, but it's all it's like, you know, we're all we're all really tight. We're all

really close because we all with a brotherhood. We all want the same thing, you know, we're all we're all fighting for the same thing, and that's a championship. It's one. It's one of the really one of the oddities to me in the NFL that guys that are there that have the job, we'll do everything they can help to everything they can do to help the guy behind them that's trying to take your job. But you're willing to help them get better while they're trying to take your job.

And I know it's all about making the team as a whole better, But I don't think there's very many places on this earth where you have a job where you're making the kind of money you're making the NFL, where you're trying to help the guy behind you who's

trying to take your job. Yeah, you know, like you said, I mean, it's like you said, at the end of the day, like if if you're behind the guy, you're trying to take his job, and if you're in front of guy, you're trying to keep your you know, so at the end of the day, you just got to go out and compete and do what you do, do your best. You know that, just give your best, give your all man, that's all we can ask for it. Like at the end of the day, we'll find a

spot for you, you know, so and myself included. You know, who who keeps that who keeps that room? Like, who's the guy that, who's the practical joker in that room? Who was the guy that maybe you trying to keep things keep things light in that room? We all we all try to, uh you know that probably I would say probably exaviing probably you know I wouldn't. He's a character. He's a character though, but he uh, like he came along this year, you know, he he and he gets

it man, you know he understands that. You know, like from a rookie year to the second year, the third year, like it takes more and we all, you know, everybody goes through that phase where you have to understand like you gotta watch more film, you gotta do more study, you gotta do this, you gotta do that. But just just keeping the room, just just keeping everybody in their toes. You know, we all try to. We all we all have our hand in it. We all have our hand.

And like you know, because I joke with t J a lot, I joke a lip I joke a shot you regard, that's who it is. But we're all close enough to what we know. We don't mean anything by you know, we mean we mean we mean the best boy, which means you can push the edge pretty hard. Yeah, exactly.

You guys hang pretty pretty tight when you guys getting the road, you see, I know, usually go out to dinner or whatever some places before you the night before the games, you usually hang pretty close together with Yeah, we're all we will definitely go to dinner just about every away game we have, and uh, you know, uh we used even home games. Sometimes we go to dinner, just just keeping that, like even if it's throughout the week. Many man, let's just just grab a guy you wanna

go to dinner. Just chuck it up, man, because he's a guy you're gonna go to war with, you know, every every Sunday. So I want to know he's got my back, same way he wants to know I have his. Who do you argue with on that team? Who? Who do argue? Who do you argue within that team? Um? Who kind of gets under your skin a little bit? And I'm not talking in a I'm not talking in a in a love hate way, just you know, the like should just kind of maybe stick the needle in

you every now and then. I used to I used to go ahead it with job us a lot because we always compete up here, and we would compete every day. You know, he plays in the slide and he um, so I would go with jobs a lot and Kenny and Kenny, well we'll touch basement from time to time with you know, a couple of jokes here there, but it's all it's all love, you know. And Um, I'll give him a hard time and give me a hard time, but at the end of the day, we know I'm trying.

I'm trying to win and he's trying to win. And that's what That's what brings the best out of the team. That's what brings the best out of people. Um, can this team make the leap from where they were six and ten last year? Uh? To be the kind of team that you guys want to be on. A team that's challenging in the playoffs and then getting in the playoffs and being able to challenge in the playoffs without

the doubt, without I'm there. There will never be a time where you hear me say, oh, we're just gonna be mediocre or oh, we're just gonna be average. No. No, I go into every year thinking, Okay, look, this is what we're gonna do. This is the plan we have, you know, and and we're trying to We're trying to do our best. Man, we want to win at all. Well there's I'm sick of looking at the Bowl in every February. I'm sick of this horrible Yeah, it's a

terrible feeling, you know. So we we're like we, like I said, we're trying to I'm not just gonna sit here and say, oh, the Dolphins win a Super Bowl, you know, don't don't, don't know, but I am going to say that that's our goal. Hey look, I look, I'm just from I'm speaking for myself and nobody else. You know, if I was a head coach in this league, the first thing I would say when I got in front of my football team the first day would be, looked,

we're here for one purpose. That's to win a Super Bowl. Anything short of that, we've fallen short. And I don't think you know, to me, maybe I'm old school, but I don't think that throwing that out there, you know, why set your goal for something lower than that because everyone's playing it. There's there's one team that ends the league, happends the season happy. One team is jumping up and down right, and every other team walks away pissed because

there's season is over too early. And and so if if that's the case, you might as well shoot for the stars, right man, there's no there's no there's no point being the yoker, and there's no point and and just just standing in the back and just being in the middle, being in the middle of the pact. No, man, we want to leave. We want to be. We wanna be the guys that people hate to come down to South Florida and play. Oh man, we gotta go to the hot box. We want to That's the team we

want to be. That's the secondary, that's the offense and defense we want to be. So you know, like I said, that's our goal is to win games. Take it one game at a time, and get that job done. Who's next? Hey, you know, you're you're you get up for every game, and you and you prepare every game and then you and you go out to play your best every game. But who do you play against every year? That really gets you, really attract your attention. Tom Brady, Yeah, yeah,

for sure. The patios. You know, it's it's been going on here for years now. You know, like you said, you prepare every game, and I go in every game thinking, you know, I'm going every game preparing the same that I'm gonna watch this, I'm gonna watch this, I'm gonna do this, and this is what they do, is what they like, is they don't like. But you know, there's just a different field when you're in New England or when New England's here. You know, it's it's a different

field of the game. Um, you know, And like I said, like at any point in time and any Sunday, any team can beat you. You know, it doesn't matter who. It doesn't matter if you're playing a one in fifteen team, if you're playing a twelve and and three team or twelve and four team. You know, regardless what it is that any team can beat you. And you have to go into every game preparing that way. But for sure, New England pages is a game that you have to

get up the best. He's the best player you've played against, ye without a doubt. Well what about receivers out there. Then you look at and that you know they're gonna be uh, they're gonna be a big challenge. Uh. You know, you have you have your you have you have your your your great receivers such as Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, your Beckham's, and you're even your Jervis Is. You know, just guys that are guys that have that that that

have that have a staple in the league. But you know there's guys that there's guys that you you don't know that will surprise you. You know about as soon as you think you haven't got down, that's when he surprised you. And that's when you know the ball is over your head. So you know, you just have to, like I said, anytime anyone lines up, I don't like I told him. I think I've told this to you before.

I I don't really see names. I see numbers. So um, you know, just going out there man and playing hard, man, playing playing your office. What's about. It's all about focus. You know, I've talked. I was talking to someone last week and they go, man, you know you're playing those games and people are screaming in the stand. I said, you know what if you're really focused for a game, you should be able to stay in the field and you don't hear anything out there. It's almost like dead quiet.

I remember lining up in games where there's eighty thousand people and I could put my hand in the ground and I could hear the offensive lineman. I could hear him breathing, even though the crowd was going crazy. Do you feel that focused when you get out there? Yeah, for sure, for sure you can hear it all. You know that the crowd's gonna go crazy regardless. But over the years, you know, you get used to that that

you kind of filter that out. It's kind of you're just kind of focused on your job and responsibility at the time. So um like when you like it, like when when they line up, when offense lines up, you know that's boom. It's kind of like tunnel vision. Okay, now let's see what I have. Okay, what's the split?

What what? What? Where's the back? Whereas its height end set or what's you know, you look at different things to give you different tips, different points and um on what's coming, because you know, at the end of the day, they're running forward, you're running back, so so you better know something. What do this team need to do to be to be able to knock the New England Patriots off their perch. I've been on that perch for a

long time. Well deserved, very well coached football team. They always got one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the game. And you can say the same about their head coach, and they do a good job of bringing people in coming and going. What does this team need to do to be able to knock them off? I would say the main thing for me is just compete at the end of the day, compete because if you compete all game, you know, people don't want People

don't want that. People don't want that pressure, people don't want that smoke. Because if you're if you're just steadily pounted pound pound regardless what, regardless what's happening, regardless what the score is, people hate that. They don't like that, and you know, Tom Brady then like that, you know at the end of the day, So just go out compete, man, and finish finished. We had finished ball games better. We have to, you know, we have to start better, regardless

what it is like. We have to do something. We have to find whatever it was that had a six and ten. We have to we have to find something that that that are flipping around. And I'm not talking about tennis six either, I mean better than that. What

do you do now? What do you do now to hang out and just you can't play football all day and you can't you gonna watch film all day and so you've got a little spare time now between when when before things really start getting intense, what do you do to relax and just kind of chill out a little bit? I tend to I tend to hit the beach, you know, I'll hit the beach or um, I'll sit at home. I play video games. When you go to the beach those videos, I may have a swim chunks

over those. Um yeah, I may play video games. I may you know, just you know, just be a kid again, you know at the end of the day, because like I said, you can't get a job because this is your job. So, um, just just try to take care of yourself. Man, I go home, I chill it home for a couple of takes and naps. You know, every you're training hard, you know you need, Yeah, you gotta have the midday nap. So um, just you know, simple simple things like that that that you know that that

will carry throughout the day. I try to find things like like top golf, stuff like that. I really like top golf. I try to go like once a week and I get my swing on, but I sweep suck. I'm telling um, I'm really bad. But um, you know, just things like that. Man, I just take your mind off football, because this is all you got. This next a month or so, this is after that's own. So you've been you've been around here for a while, Bobby. Ever, can you ever find yourself day dreaming run down the

highway or whatever and going, man, I'm playing in the NFL. Man. Sometimes sometimes sometimes it's really surreal, you know. And it's a blessing. It's a blessing to be here. It's a blessing to have this opportunity because I know, I know guys that are my friends that that don't have this opportunity, that are good football players, you know. So you know, it's a blessing. You've got to take heat to it and um and go out every day and showcase while

you're here. It's funny. I've talked to people like I've I've done talk to kids and stuff like that, and I said, look, you know, I was fortunate enough to play college football, high school football, played in the NFL, and I was never the best player on my football team. I've never been the best player on the football team, but I was able to do to to to reach the ultimate as far as football. Do you feel the

same way yourself? Yeah, you know, you just at the end of the day, there's a lot of good football players. For whatever reason, either I sprained my ankle, I can't play anymore, or whatever, a lot of coach doesn't like me. I've heard all that. I've heard all the excuses. But it's funny the guys that you pass up along the way that may have been really quite friendly, much better football players than you and I, but they just quite

didn't have the DNA to get to get over the hump. Yeah. Man, that's uh, that's something my parents they instilled to me a long time ago, you know, don't you know, try not to worry about the next man, worry about your man. And um, you know, like like you said, there's there's there's been teams, there's been guys on my team in the past that have been better to me. That's just facts.

But at the end of the day, I know what it takes, and I know how to work, and I know how to put the work, and I know how to like like you said, it's instilled in your DNA, just to get the job done at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. Man, If you can get the job done, then you always have a job. Let's get the job done this year, Bob. You know, appreciate what man looking forward to looking for the big

stuff out either year. It's really happy to see what you did last year, and I know you're gonna get better at it this year. And uh, just looking forward to enjoy. I appreciate that. Thank you, Thank you. So Bobby became good guy. And you know it's funny because I knocked to Bobby about a week ago. I saw him at an event. We're talking today. I heard that, said, I heard that podcast that you do. Did we do somebody? And hear myself? And I said, oh, don't worry, we're

saving you for later on better you. So where can I hear? And I said, you know where you can hear? I see you. You can see it on here on Apple Music. I said, you got the Dolphin app right though, off mobile app. He says, yeah, I got that. What you're gonna hear it on that right? You can here on Dolphins dot com. You can hear it on tune in radio, and you can hear it on I tunes. When you're gonna drop it, bo Huh, when's you a getta dropped today? It's gonna drop on Thursday evening. I think,

good job, very good. Always all that stuff in there going and and whatnot. So anyway, Bobby great to have Bobby, and he always always a good guy, always always a guy you enjoyed talking to and always seems to have that smile on his face. Man, he's a fireball man, he really is. He is a fun guy to be and it didn't take long for him, Danny, Danny, I got back quainted. It was nice. So here's the other guy that's not gonna be no that that there's gonna

be a bad day out there. That's everybody's dragging behind, Somebody pushes off, somebody holds. I haven't been to as many practice I like to, but uh, I know, speaking to you, Danny Amdola, he ain't letting he he ain't slowing down he's not letting up on that thing. Here's the guy who puts pressure on everybody every time. You know, you know, you know, he reminds me going back. It was really was one of my favorite, uh favorite guys. He was. It was Davon Best. When von web Best

was here. He love watching Davon practice because it didn't matter if he was running against the defender or he was just running against air. He I just kept but every time he ran around, he ran it with a purpose. He was always trying to trying to work one. Let me see if I can remember. Let me see if I can you know, kind of stutter and get some guy. He always was thinking about something, and I kind of get the feeling that Danny Avendola is the same kind

of guy and Joe. You know, how do you know you have offensive day and defensive and practices and after a while comes this round veteran got the offensive. I remember the first day of John Gees come remember his offensive. Don't make it look bad. I gotta watch these. Don't make this practice going longer than the next days. Hey ge d day day, Well, you know, you know I'm gonna come off. But then you get those guys that

aren't they don't buy into that. There's they're just gonna bust it out on And I think I think both those guys are in the category and they kind of get an idea here after a while what each guy is gonna do and likes to do, and and you're right, it's gonna get frustrating, you know. You know what's been fun to watch between those two is the first couple of days. It was intense, and it was still New England Miami, and I think I think there was still

a lot of that there. But as as practices as the O t as went on into minicamp, after a guy caught a ball, Danny a ball or Bobby more about Bobby going saying give me tap good route. Well, well you go from being now you you go from hey, let's let's work hard. Let's it used to be, let let me work hard so I can beat your ass on the field. Now it's let's work hards where we can make our whole team better. If you work hard

and I work hard, we're gonna make everybody. Everyone else gonna see it's gonna make me better, it's gonna make you better and hopefully makes the rest of the team better. And that's the way. That's the way veteran guys they get teams better around them, and they get young guys to grow up by watching guys compete that way. I think, hey, let's get to some of these we've kind of haven't. We've kind of been busy the last couple of shows. We haven't really had a chance to get to the

fan questions a little bit. And I gotta I gotta uh, I gotta email or a message or something from Facebook and said, you need to get to our fans questions. So here I am um Twitter uh oh Alonso eleven oh five. I wonder if that's one of Kiko's. We got about thirty five relatives that live down her. Kiko uh Smith is a very underrated seaving tight end Um durham smyth. Uh is very good hands and runs good route.

He's a perfect confident to Gasecki. And that kind of leads into the conference conversation we're having a little before we went on the air, that Uh that those guys have a way to go. Those guys have a way to go to to to get to get comfortable with a with a scheme, get comfortable offensively because until they get comfortable with what they've got to do, where they've got to be, and how you react to guys who are playing against the defenders and everything, Um, you're not

playing it, You're you're not playing at top speed. They're way behind the three guys, the three veterans, including two guys they picked up, one in the off season and one during the season. They're way behind those guys mentally right now, way behind. I can't even compete. Um, so we'll we'll have to see. Time will tell with those guys. I I I'm not gonna let I'm not gonna let a mini camp or an o t a practice where these guys are still trying to get their feet under

the ground. Uh, you know, say, hey, you guys are bad picks. I watched these guys more than individual drills than I do and team because I know that what they expect out a team, you know, drills and seven on seven, see how they move. But individually, you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to tell he's a rookie or he's a veteran. You know, we had what was the guy we had a while back to tighten the kid that got out of Missouri took me, took me good, good kid, but it took him about five minutes ago.

I was this guy can't play. But but I don't think that's the case with he was what You're right, he was one of those guys standing up coming. Took him all day to come out, you like, I should ask Mike Sherman who it was. I would have got the name right. I don't know. I just didn't like,

you know, I just didn't like his body. It wasn't about the guy like from a from a player's stand from a playing not a bad guy worked his ass off and and really with Dan Campbell working and became became a the most he could most out he cut out of the guy. But he just wasn't you know. But anyway, that was one of those that's one of those acorns that got an stepped on, the got overturned. But you should have missed that acorn. I think on

that one. We had a few of those Tom More teas and Facebook, Jason Sanders wasn't the most accurate kicker during college. Does that concern you guys at all? Well, we talked to Darren Rizzy about it, and you know, he talked about how it looks sometimes these guys in calls, they don't get the best snapper, they don't get the best holder, you know, And now you get in the NFL and you got now you know, you can really judge a guy. And I think they're very high on

Jason Sanders. They draft him in this last one with their last pick in the draft. Um, and everyone's wondering why you draft when you didn't have a kickers you had to draft someone anyway. But anyway, I think, you know, talking to Rizzy, I think I think I think coach Rizzy is very very high on him, and and and believe a lot that this kid is gonna be the

real deal, you know, Bo. That's also one of those positions, as you know, it's one thing to kick him in practice every day, another in the preseason, and there's another one of those type ball games that count yep and and but the good thing is they don't remember, they don't have like remember when garyl was here, Garrol used to beat up those kickers, man, I mean beat them up they see you know they you know, the kickers

always go by theirselves. And uh, you used to be a tribe of kickers, though now there's only like one or two, and they always bring a kicker and Garrow. You know. The first past Garo would go, hey, it's a little hot on your why'd you take your helmet off? It's okay, just sit on it over there, the guys, what should I put him on kicking? You know, not while we're over here. You don't need to wear your helmet just good and and sure enough about too much?

Damn it? What do you do with your helmet off? It's bad, you know. The other one, and we talked about this for the RIZ. The other thing is like now, when a kicker messes up, nobody says a word to him on the side. Back in the old day, rip you got in mef by everybody offense alignment coming off, like we just went ten plays. You can't make a freaking kick. They would kill him, like coach, nothing to pick on Bob Kuchenberg. But Couch was old school and

just felt like, that's all you do during practice. I don't want to know you just kick it through. That's all you gotta do. Yeah, he was tough man. Uh but but Couch was always a backup kicker too. No, I didn't know that he was the backup kick I think kicked when he was at Notre Dame, and he was a straight on kicker. I didn't even have Yeah, I think I'm learning at year from uh Matt Snyder sixty five Twitter at Matt Snyder sixty five. Fitzpatrick is calm, cool,

collective and all about business. I abviously love it. Can't wait for the season. Excited to see you ball, Minka. I don't think you're the only one out here that's uh that's looking forward to seeing this kid comes and and day one, Yeah, that's not's the guy that doesn't look like a rookie. That's right. And I want to say this now. He's the other way. He is involved in so many plays and he even looks it out there. He got that Don McNeil from the old days maclind up.

Day one, he's ready to play and he's got that, so I gotta I Sometimes I'm like, okay, almost scared. He's too calm. Yeah you know what, he he's making plays already had he been here. I'm gonna hold back on not giving this guy too many. The one thing you do notice right away he looks the part he's always taking the right to angle. Like his angles are perfect in terms of he's never undercutting anything. He's never a way over the top where he can't make a play.

And then he looks such he's under control. It's not like he's flying to get there, but he's already there. That's a funny thing about defensive player. I mean, I've seen a lot of defensive players over there and they just can't get the angle game down. They can't. You know, you see him, you know, guy kind of breaks around the corner and they take that bad angle and as soon as you see him, they're never gonna catch that guy.

You know you can get you know, you'd be better storry, you better give yourself a little more room there to catch that guy. And you see some guys, know, some guys instinctually do it well and some guys don't. He's got it, but he's got it. Yeah, Austin pop p o p pe. How would you pronounce that you think he's Uh? I don't know, man, I don't know what Facebook. Um, I'm probably alone in this one. Uh, I'm probably alone in this one. But Bobby is my favorite player of

the team. Every week, the camera always seems to find it because he brings it every game, every down. I love this guy. I'm assuming he's talking about Bobby and McCain. Well, I think we just kind of went through and I think we all kind of feel the same way about Bobby. And you know it, some guys, you know, you're watching a contract. You know, Okay, I got got a contract, you know, good for him. But Bobby, when I saw

I was happy. I feel not just to get the guy not to feel good about round from a big school and and he went out and he earned it. Man, he went out and earned it. Uh finn f f finn fan eight nine off Twitter. You guys have any interest in coaching? I think the young guys could all use some old school football mentality. I got no interest.

I've never had any interests in coaching. Joe, I don't know about you, but all I did, you know, from the time I saw how much these guys were and in the hours and especially when you get into this league. Now you little college was the same thing. You know, I want to play. I'm a route planner, you know. For I lived for twenty two years in California. I've lived here for the rest of my life. I want to plant roots. Man, I don't want to be and these guys you gotta be. You gotta become a bit

of a vagabottom a little don't unpack. And I have great respect. I would never coach either. I got great respect because these guys, doubt they work a lot of hours and that's it, the work that goes I don't think people realize the work that goes in to being an assistant coach or had any coach at this level or at the college level, It doesn't matter. All those coaches are dedicated to the top. You gotta go through that you get to where you want to be. Well, well,

you know what I remember. I remember talking to UH with Terrell Buckley and Lamar Lamar Thomas and when they decided they wanted to get into coaching, and so they you know, they went and those guys, I'll tell you what, those guys went the long road. Man. They did high school, they did college, and then they worked there from small college and working. So those guys have put their time in and they're committed to it. But I just couldn't

the time time spent. Did you mention recruiting? You have to worry about that thing to the other thing with these guys, is it you know, if you're a position coach, right every you know, nowadays everyone knows the head coach, an offensive defensive coordinator, but if you're the tight end coach or you're the you know, the your your assistant offensive line coach, no one knows who you are. You're you're anonymous. You still work just as artist everyone maybe

more maybe more. You do all this stuff and games over and you're walking into a restaurant someone don't and no one even knows who you are or you know, they're just they're just there, which which you know, everyone wants, no one, no one's craving recognition. But every now and then you like someone to say, hey, hey, you guys did a good job, but you know what I mean. And these guys, you know, they live in for the

most part, they live in anonymity. I had the most fun going back to my high school at St. Thomas and coaching the young kids because the time was perfect for me, and it wasn't. It was two and a half hours, maybe put another hour the entire week trying to get a a couple of plays that they might remember and might help them out during the game, and

that was fun. You know. I always thought and I always thought I was going to be a coach at some point until it felt like the coaches that I had were better fathers to me maybe, and they had more time, not better fathers, but had more time for me than they had time for their own kids because they were never home. And I felt like, man, if I get in that situation, I have a family, that's

gonna be a tough decision for me to make. Tell what that age group that John's talked about working with JV freshman and JB and freshman and sophomore they want to learn to they it's so much fun because you'll see them ten years down the line and somebody's yelling, hey, coach, and I'm not coaching anybody, and they come up coach, you know, and they kind of remember you, and and it's fun in my instance being at a school that these kids go on from high school to college and

a lot of them, not a majority, but a lot of them play in the NFL. So you'll see in pregame coach New England, you know, or Brandon Winner is a center for Jacksonville. So that was that was my enjoyment. I got out of going back to coach a little little bit. You know what, It's funny you say that, because you know, sometimes you know, you get kids that are that young, you teach them something that changes their

their game. You know, you know I can do. And I was just I was just at a at a at a reunion from my high school football team, and uh, and everyone got up and talked a little bit and this and that, and and I had one of one of my real good friends in on my high school team. And I hadn't seen for I didn't seen for probably twenty five years or so. And so we're talking. I said, you know what I said? And everyone, yeah, you know

you did this. And I said, yeah, but you know what I said, this is where I learned to play football with you guys. And I said, I'll remember, I said, I remember until the day I die. I remember one damn practice. I was playing tight end and and and we had a linebacker outside line and I couldn't hook the son of a bit to save my life. You know, we're running, We're gonna toss suite him. He's outside me. Yeah. So so and the coaches yelled at me, damn at Bocamper.

Get get on the outside, get your head outside the guy, you know. So so after practice, everyone's walking feelings, Bow Camper and Gar see it. Get over here. So we come over and we sat and we stood in the field for about forty five minutes. And all I did was trying to hook this guy. He said, you line up outside of him, and you make it hard for him. And so I just over and over and over and over until finally that kind of figured out, you know, taking a wide step to get in the outside and

being able to get around him. And so so now and and I became a better player. And and I still to this day when I think if someone said to me, what do you what do you remember that made you a good player? And I would say that made me a good player, that one, that one incident

making a good player. But that's like you're talking about, where you get a kid that's at a at a lower level, you know, sophomore in high school whatever, and he just doesn't he just doesn't, and you teach him something that he can carry with him the rest of time. It it's significant to it looked to me I've done a lot of things in this game, and I'm talking these guys about that that's play. When I was a senior in high school. Jake Rudolph, he's a backup quarterback

of the Detroit Lions. Now, I had him as a freshman at St. Thomas. Never played padded football in his life, always played flag football growing up. I put in half of the offense I had at Pitt half the offense I had in the Canadian Football League, kind of like run and shoot stuff. And he said, you know what, he goes coach. That helped me as I went along because I would didn't do a whole lot. And then we went to Michigan did a little bit more. But then I went in the pros and there was a lot.

It's all the same principles. It's all about spacing, it's all about this. But you taught me that at a young age, and I just got better coaching as I went along to bans and stuff that kind of was there. So the basis the fundamental, Yeah, all of them all makes a difference. So yeah, um uh Twitter at mannamerous disps. Huh better ask Joe how how he would pronounce that? That might not be French. I always see names. I gotta wonderful maybe maybe maybe it's something dirty out there?

What's that nam nam er, dispy whatever? R. I know you can't see much, but who was surprised? You guys there most so far? Well you with that freaking name. It's just surprised me so far. Disp um, I don't know. I'm you get don't get right. I I didn't go to I didn't see any of the practice, to be honest with you, but because I I just don't to me watching O T s and watching minicamp. To me, you know, I still put a whole lot of stock

into it. And the reason I don't put a whole lot of stock in it, I remember being I remember playing in games Joe late in the season and John, where you're playing you know, you're playing, uh, the Jets on a Monday night and whoever wins gonna win the ANFC East right, And I remember being remember being on the field of times going remember those stupid freaking minicamp practices. They don't mean ship right, you know right now, they don't mean anything. So I kind of I'll give this

me a couple of things that I saw. I think the wide receiver unit as a group is a lot of depth. I think Blage the running back is a freak. If he gets it down, he can really help with Gore and Kenyon. And in the back end, I think that it's gonna be funny how they use who's going to establish himself at the corner opposite X, opposite his

Xavian house. That'll be something to watch during training. Do they kick Bobby out sometimes move Minka down, you know, for certain for certain schemes, certain teams, not all the time, but how they how that evolves on the defensive. That's funny because in the secondary that you talk about that because you know there, I think they've they've they've certainly got more depth now than they've had in the last couple of years. But they've also got more position flexibility.

You look at they bring in Minca. Minca can play safety, can play corner, you can play slot, he can do all the different things you got Bobby. Bobby can play slot, Bobby can play outside. You know, uh, Tony Lip. It's the same way, you can play a different way. So they not only do they have more depth of quality players. You talk about Tank and X on the other side, and you've got a lot of good players in that secondary now, but you also got with those guys that flexibility.

You play three. You know, you can play three safeties at some point, I think they're I think we're gonna see a lot of times where you may see all three you know, uh t J shod and make all out there and in some kind of a coverage formation can end up being a cover guy in the slot. I do. I think when they go dime and people go for wide, I'm not gonna be surprised to see him up in the slot covering and look at the Joe, look at the white outs. Uh, you've you've got now,

Jachim is your fifth guy. I mean he's back solid and and and I said that this morning one to five. He's got veteran guys. And I'll tell you for the rest of those guys, you feel bad because you sound like it, I said, because they're making in Yeah, they're making pret Who can we keep if something were to happen, Because you've got Scott on the outside, You've got a bunch of guys. Lewis is out there. So here's a kid Morgan. This is a kid Morgan that made the

theme last year. Um, and he was one of those guys you just couldn't get rid of because every time he did he smart kid knows what he's doing. But he's gonna be a monkey wrench in that in that thing. He's gonna he's gonna he's you know, he's gonna he's gonna make himself be known. He's got a figure away to make four keeping talent and one through five if there's no injury, no question. Yeah, roster, no question. Brandon James already talked about this. He comes in on Facebook.

What do you guys consider our deepest position team? I think the secondary to me has got to be you know, with all those guys back the receiver position unackn I like offensive line to the offensive line. So yeah, it's nice to be able to find you know, the stars here. We got depth depth. Uh. Jonathan acts Brenzinski from Facebook. I would have rather had DeMarco Murray over Gore, but Gore is local, so I get the decision. Um. I think I think Gore to me brings a lot more

to the table. And just Frank Gore, he brings a guy that's that's really establishes a high end football player that's done it for a long time. Uh, he doesn't mind being a mentor to these guys. He's gonna work hard. He's gonna show you all the things de Marco Murray I'm not I'm not his you know is knowledgeable about DeMarco and some of his personality trades. But I think you couldn't get a better from a personality standpoint, a guy that's gonna help your team and help other guys

in that room. I just don't know how you do better than Frank. They want. Frank Gore is a workout machine man. He's in his mid thirties and he just keeps himself in great shape and wants to be great. They want those young guys to see that every day. I like what Adams said about him best. He saw him eleven years ago, saw him two months ago. The guy hadn't changed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt which which by the way, I remember when he got drafted to the forty niners, and I maybe that's where he went

to Remember. I remember calling a buddy of mine and said, hey, I said, you got this guy, Frank Gore. I said, he's unbelievable, I said, I said, I said he had two knee injuries before the University of Miami that if he had not had those in when I said before he had those injuries, the best running back I've ever seen, maybe he was freshman. Freshman, couldn't wait for blowout. He was averaging ten to twelve yards to carry. But so

this guy had too horrendous knee injuries. And I tell the guys to look, I don't know how he's gonna be at the pro level because he had he's had these two two knee injuries. But he was great here and he shoot, he went on to have a you know, Hall of fame type of career. That was the greatest thing about those UM days back then because the starter everybody sold this guy is great. You should see the guy behind him. And it went like that way for

about six years. Ports mcgahey, James j Yeah, they just kept blow those guys. One of those guys would start and to go with wait to see the guy exactly exactly port Yeah, you see a blowout and all of a sudden, this guy who tells that guy you know pretty good? Yeah, missed high school running back I've ever seen out of Coral ridiculous el Chopol Jr. To close it up from Facebook. How much does effect the scouting

of a player when it can't wear pats and practice? Um, you know, I've I've since since the new age of of of practices and stuff like that. I believe that if you're an offensive lineman, you have very little chance of making this making a league, getting this league if you're not a draft pick, or you don't or you don't have something extra special going on. Because if you're an offensive or deep sensiveligneman, when do you you know,

when do you get to show off? If yeah, if you're a if you're an offensive lineman, you may never get to go live more than ten times during all of trainee camp, and and excuse me in preseason games because you nowadays, look, even when they put on pads in practice, you still aren't going live. The only time

you're going live is on those preseason games. And you're an offensive lineman trying to make is a physical I just don't see how they you know that you have the chances of being that guy that comes out of nowhere, you know there you know and talked to that every time he brings up Ernie, your own Ernie rown. He's an undrafted free agent out of h Henderson, Arkansas, Arkansas State and UH goal line drill one time, some guy drives over the top, blew him up, knocked his helmet

back to where the coaches are standing. All of a sudden, there he goes, Hey, who is that guy? And he ends up being a starting, starting in a linebacker for us, you know, after after it come as a free agency and he's not able to make that hit. He ain't making his team, you know, And so those guys miss

out on on their chances. In today's day and age of the way they practice that evaluation for lineman so difficult because you can you can see one on one on the outside, the guy can cover, you know, but when pads come on, what do they I mean they wear pads five times six times a fourth preseason game. Like a lot of guys played well against Minnesota in that last game, fails through the ball, unbelievable, um Alan linebacker at a more than a like a dozen tackles.

And that carries over, That carries over right now. Well, because those coaches as soon as they get in the plane, they're starting to look at roster numbers. Keep it and you know, the freshest thing in your mind is that last game, you know, and so some of these guys take advantage. All right, say we gotta wrap it up. I don't want to thank Jeff and and Logan for kind of getting us going through this thing. What about Leon? No? No, no,

I was getting to Leon. So these guys here, so we've been doing this, We did this podcast and Leon. Have you guys seen Leon around lately? From yeah? We never so yeah. I thought, yeah, I thought maybe he got trained to do another team. But anyway, he's still here. But but you know, Jeff did a good job, you know, Logan always Logan, I'm watching, you know, I've kind of been keeping an eye on on Leon over here. He's been on his phone text in. I think he got

a new girlfriend, you know. Did you notice le a new rent? Yeah? He must. We're gonna end this show right now. Yeah, you run it right out of here. Way to go, guys, next week