#49 - Law And Disorderly: Decoding Bizzare Cases & Controversies Ft. Gourav Mohanty

Hello everyone, welcome to the Aztec show. I am your very own host Shruti Sinha and today with us we have Gaurav Manti who is a writer stand up comic and an author. Hello bhaiya. Hi, please just call me Gaurav. It's perfectly fine. Thank you so much for having me here. I'm really looking forward to this on this. My pleasure is on that. So I'm going to introduce the first question that comes to my mind is first law, then standard of Congregate and then author.

So what exactly are you trying to do? I think I always had this whole. The Leonardo da Vinci fantasy in my head that I wanted to try every venture that I could. I remember when I was a kid on my room door I had there are these stick ONS where you could paste, so I had to put a stick on that. Dr. Gaurav Mohanty, ACP Director, MBA, FIC, CAC. All the degrees that I knew at that point of time, I'd pasted them.

And I think that was a latent desire to always sample different things because you don't know which coffee flavor is your favorite unless you have tried everything. Yeah. So I think that was always there at the back of my head. But in my final year, I was very fortunate that I got a job very early on, like on day zero. But the first day of your fifth year and how law school works is the last year is always scheduled for your internships, which luckily I didn't have to do anymore.

I had a lot of time in my hand, and I'm a productivity mean. I need to make sure that the r's and the seconds that pass by count we can see that. Thank you. So I think that's where the whole writing journey started. I thought, OK, the Indian journal is missing something, which is the favorite journal that I like to lose myself in. So I thought, why not try something and never had a thought that this is going to turn into like a full-fledged

book. I just wrote a chapter that metamorphosed over time and became this Fans of Darkness here. So you ever had this thinking?

I want to write a book and it has to be something like this or something about. I think I never thought of writing a book per se. I mean, I think all of us at some point of time think that our life is becoming too dramatic. Like Jeet from Jab We Met the Coffee. Interesting. Oh yeah, Book the like, let's say a cube. Sorry. Yeah, it's from Jab We Met and it's too much excitement. And this needs to be like part of some autobiography that will be very exciting for viewers to

see. Is it some kind of no? No, it's not. It's not metaphoric. No, not at all. I mean, as a writer, I mean, like, I think there's a quote which goes in that when a Kalakar is putting the best of himself or herself or themselves in a role, they split their personality and put different parts in different roles that they enact. I think as the same goes for the writer, since I have multiple characters that I'm writing, I kind of have.

Practices whole multiple personality disorder where I'm like a serial killer was different versions and different faces. And whenever I was writing from the perspective of 1 character, I used to step into their shoes so that my responses to situations that as a writer I came up with. Let's see if there's a situation and what would react as. Is not the same thing with Shaku Nude Reactor because his experiences, his live journey is

very different. So I think that multiple disorder serial killer trick really helped me canvas the multiple character that are there in this book. So, but to come back to your original questions, I mean, we are going to keep diverting when we absolutely keep asking these questions. But I never believed or envisioned that I'd finish this book because it took me 4 years to write this book. And cuz I was balancing this with my law firm job which is 9:50 because this.

While I was working, yes. So it was just a world that I used to escape to because as a lawyer your life is very black and white. So this kind of added some color to it. So when I used to come back it was and it was like I was Thanos clicking my thumb and reimagining an entire universe. So but once I started reaching the final chapter that could see, OK, wait, there is something here. It might just work.

And when I submitted the book to publishers, they kind of gave the validation that, hey, this will sell. So I think that's when I realized, OK, maybe I could be an Orth. So were you an avid reader from the very childhood? Because you seemed like a very vibrant personality and your choreograph is also very versatile. So were you avid reader or any

author that inspired you to write this? OK, just two questions. Was that I would read it absolutely. I think my mother played a big part in inculcating that habit from the very beginning that we used to have this tradition where she used to and I was in Balasore then. So she used to buy Amatitra Kata books which were these comics on Indian mythology and something in. Ghana.

So she used to bring them, and she used to make sure that I will read only one per week so that I don't exhaust all of them in one day. And I remember when she Her afternoon naps are very important and nobody could ever, ever mess with my mother's afternoon nap. So when she used to be sleeping, I used to just quickly go to the drawing room, figure out where the locker is, where she just kept all these books, and just consume all the books in one way. So I think that's where the

reading habit started. And I remember stealing into her library and picking up books which I was not supposed to pick up on. Like I picked up Sidney Sheldon, Tell Me Your Dreams, Which was way beyond my age at that point of time to read, because I was probably in standard two or standard 3. The whole idea of murder and serial killing or something, which I had no idea.

But when I read those books, it was such a beautiful journey that the book took me through that I knew that I'm gonna be a reader for life. Now, as to which author inspired

me to write, it has to be George RR Martin. He's like my. De facto Acharya Drona. You know, I don't know if anyone remember the story of Eklavia, the idea that Dronacharya refused to teach him. So Eklavia practiced archery by creating a mold of Dronacharya and just practicing thinking, what could Dronacharya tell him? You know, obviously I haven't met daughter or not in real life. If I do, I'll pass out.

But I think he was the North Star which guided me in writing the book that I wanted to read because. A Song of Ice and Fire, of which I mean, which is popularly known as Game of Thrones. Yeah, what? The series has inspired me to write a similar kind of book in an Indian setting. So what exactly is the plot of

this book? You don't have to give it all over, but it's. So sons of darkness is a dark re imagination of this ancient epic from the Mahabharata. So Mahabharata has been recited. In a narrative style of historical chapters, OK, this happened. This happened. This happened. What I wanted to do was I wanted to step into the shoes of characters who are traditionally perceived as evil because no one ever thinks that they're a hero or villain in their story, because everyone thinks they are right.

For some person, you might be a terrorist. For another person, you might be a freedom fighter, right? And I love that concept. I think it was since I started watching gang the Wasipur. I really like the one of. My favorite anti hero culture. Yeah, and I think we all are

anti heroes in our own kind. Like there is goodness in us, and there are also places where we have done actions which we think are great, but for the world of the society or your friends or your family, Some people, it's wrong. It might not be the greatest thing which you've done, so I wanted to approach it from that perspective because so far what had happened was Indian books, especially dealing with

mythology. We're going along this whole Gandhian line of, you know, black versus white. Yeah. And I wanted 50 Shades of grey. So I took out these characters who I thought had very interesting facets to them and kind of put them in a reimagined ancient Indian world. See, what has happened is, and I'm sorry, this is Bhubaneswar weather playing, misbehaving with my foreign. But what has happened is because of colonialism, there has been this.

Perception of ancient India in our myths as a place that is

stuck in the age of wheel huts, snake charmers. Yeah, the land of Snake. Charms. That's been this whole racist colonial perspective that has always looked at India. When you look at Greek mythology, whenever they're imagining Zeus or Poseidon, not all the Greek gods, it's just totally glorified all over the. World not just in very sticks, back and palaces and forts.

And I don't know. Like we have come up with amazing concepts that Pharaon authors around the world are using to make their own movies and franchise. For example, Matrix is this amazing movie and the entire concert of Matrix has been picked up from the concert of Maya in Vedic philosophy. Or we don't even have to go that far. Let's talk about Interstellar. OK, Christopher Nolan's movie where Matthew McConaughey was stuck in this planet called Miller's Planet.

Where? One hour spent there was equal to 10 years back on Earth. Yeah, that is something which was amazing to the Ferrans and everyone. Wow, what a beautiful concept. Gravity is working at an amazing level. But ancient Indians had thought of this moving back centuries ago, and they had put this in form of a story where a warrior had gone and was fighting for Indra. And once the war is over, Indra

tells him I'm sorry. You fought well for us, but one day that you've spent here is equal to 100 years back there, so your entire family, your entire Kingdom is all gone. So it's amazing that we have thought of this concept way back and we have not shown it to the world, or profited out of it, or shown how glorious an ancient text a lot of it was, you know, inunded away when the Britishers came to India. Correct. I think because when they came,

they started treating. So see they colonized half the world. I mean it's the truth. And they kind of became the deciders or arbitrators of what is cool and what is not. And from that perspective they decided that Greek classics be in the Iliad or the ODC. They are high literature and they will be taught in Oxford and Eton and all their. Ivy Colleges and Ivy is obviously an American concept, but basically the top premier colleges in UK. But when it came to indie

literature they started. Since they could not understand the Sanskrit language, lost in translation and whatnot, they reduced it to Hiddens. They thought of it as third year literature because they couldn't decipher what was written and everything. They look down upon our exaggerated. So because of that, they were very happy in burning a lot of vortex and they give the same treatment to the Chinese. Mythology as well.

Like there's an episode called as the Burning of the pecking palace where they destroyed 1000 year old manuscripts because they didn't care about it, because they couldn't understand it. What you don't understand, you fear or you disdain. So I think they went along those lines and because of so many years of their subjugation, it kind of entered our the psyche of national consciousness that OK. You know, yes, Ma Bharati is awesome. Yes, Ramayan is awesome.

But you know we will not deal with the magical aspects of it because no, it shows as if it's stupid. Yeah, you know, even Amish is immortal to Meluha, which is such a beautiful book and also is Ramachandra. Correct all of those books and amazing stuff, but that book has tried to introduce a kind of science to justify certain aspects of the past which was considered magic. Like, for example, Mahabharata has astras, which are these weapons that you fire, which carry nuclear power.

But what he does is he does. He says, no, it's not that. It's just a simple arrow, which is great. It's one way of telling the story. But I've always believed that magic is nothing but unexplained science. You know, like if you ask our grandparents if they could ever imagine a car that drives on its own, they will think that we're talking for them. Tesla would be magic. I'm so sorry. And. So I guess from that perspective

I wanted to build on that magic. So in Suns of Darkness, there's an entire system where this Assassin's apprentice is learning how to kill and murder people using yoga, chakras, and mandaras. I don't know if you've heard of the anime cartoon called Naruto, which. There's a lot of concert chakras there where he invokes them and he's able to ascend to a super level of power. That is completely the origin story of that lies in Indian philosophy where you have 7 chakras in our body.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Thank you. So when you meditate and do penance, you can raise that Kunderini snake and it goes around your chakras until you treated the crown chakra and then you ascend to a superior level. And that's amazing. So I want to use this to create this entire magic system so that India. Has its own Vestros or Hogwarts or Narnia, so that's the whole idea.

With something about coming back to the fun part, Yeah, I just wanted to ask Keir, Obviously college may and there is a lot of pressure, especially local, but still, somehow we managed to have a lot of fun here. So anything you want to share

about your college that was fun? A little mysterious kind of. I mean, I spent half of my nights wasted completely in bars and whatnot, So I was a very regular writer. Is always a sort of, you know, fools in melancholy. Yeah, somehow I didn't fit that writer cliche. I was very to put it in the best I was possible. I was someone from the Slytherin House and how good looking like

I was. I really enjoyed having a great time and I knew that somehow I was always aware that college life is a very limited time period that you have to make the most out of. Free and unburdened time, right? So, you know, planning to go traveling outside, backpacking, trekking, going to party, even just like having a great time with your friends. I think that was a very important thing for me, especially in the last two years

of law school. I remember we used to maintain something called record of attendance. It's a WhatsApp group, which I have. I still have it actually. So it's a group which our friends made just so that. See what happens is when days are passing and if you're not recording it. They all get blurred in your memory. Yeah. And remember So what we did that we started noting down like if on a day we have gone somewhere out and had a great time out, there's been a great memory We

used to noted down. Now what happened I had two effects. One, obviously that it got preserved like as if it's a journal or diary of our group. But most importantly, the days we did not fill anything, it kind of gave us a feeling, hey, one second we didn't meet. We're letting days pass by without actually doing something. Exactly. So I think that kind of really made sure that. We utilized each and every day of our college life and as we could and just chill and just had a great time.

So okay, So like any specific event that you did like, I came here telling my mother that I have tuitions and I'm going to the tuitions, but actually I came here, right? So anything of that. I'm glad you're confessing with some camera when going something very risky, something risky like

this where there is a fear of. Yeah, if you are getting caught, yeah, I love that fear of getting caught. But I'm just wondering what all can I tell on camera and what I can't tell on camera? Because whatever I'm getting right now is completely something NSFW, which you can't tell on camera. Yeah, like 1000 things of my entire diary can be called, My Autobiography, can be called NSFW. So I'm just figuring out what I can say, which does not actually.

This is the fun story. I remember I went to Kashmir with my friend and this was actually. And when we reached Kashmir, it became actually a troublesome period there because. There was all stone pelting going on, army vehicles and whatnot. So when we came, we went to a tracking point and then we returned. They had blocked the traffic. They said that we have to wait for 12 hours and then we can go to a resort. And our tracking result was literally 15 minutes away from there.

And we tried to convince them, but I understand obviously they could not let them pass because there was a danger that vehicles would be pelted at, but obviously Hamsani ticket. So my friend and I, the driver, told us the locals are allowed to go, not tourists. So the local driver told us K Aapnan Niche is a chale jao cross the like a River checkpoint and come up OK and like idiot OK, we thought this

is a great idea. Okay, this will be like a memory to like live on so the adventures of God of Monty. Yeah. Then it started and we decided to go, you know, and not realizing that if someone supports us, we'll be shot down by the Indian Army.

And it's not going to be the most glorious, That ticket Pakistani army shoots, at least, you know, will be brought down back to our home with honors and probably an Indian flag, Indian army, Aha. Then, so I remember we went there and the car finally like comes across the checkpoint and we're supposed to cross over there. Now we are waiting and we can't see the car and we're freaking out. I have the idea let's capture this memory. So I turn around.

I thought we'll take a picture. So I took a picture of my friend. She said what are you doing? I just want picture just to capture this memory. And I click the picture, The flash was on shit, OK? And it flashed and suddenly there was moved. I was like, fuck. And then we ran down again and we crossed to when the car was a little ahead. And we just got into it and we just like really thought that the cop, the army is gonna come at any point of time.

And this caught us and I don't know, put us in camps or something. But we survived very life threatening adventure. Yeah. So that's definitely something where the fear of getting caught was more like fear of getting out of life. So, yeah, so I wanted to ask this very controversial question which is in the media and nowadays it's about the Shiv Shakti point that marks the point where the Chandrayaan trees land are successfully landed on the Luna surface, right. So India being a secular

country, naming it Shiv Shakti is very, you know, people are creating a lot of controversy surrounding it. What are your thoughts on it? So India secularism as the constitution makers envisaged it, is something that means the respect of all religions rather than. Let me compare it with Francis secularism concept which means

absence of any religion, right. So we our idea has always been that each religion needs to be respected rather than be ignored and you know as if we proceed as they do not exist.

So the idea that a point was named Shiv Shakti in isolation to me it does not look wrong because I mean it's not that it is a Hinduism related concept because the whole idea of Shaivism and Shakti. Which refers to the masculine energy in a person and the feminine energy in every person is a yogic philosophy which predates even the rise of it is right from the Harbin civilization.

These concepts have existed but we can't look at things in isolation because this is real life and given the rise of right wing fundamentalism which has kind of plagued the country. I think this was an opportunity for the government to kind of dispel such criticism by naming it something which could probably maybe if they call it a good point.

For example, that would have really gone a long way in cleaning up India's image, which has been tarnished recently because of the attacks on minority and so on and so forth so. But then again, when I look back and let's look at the missile testing center, which is an OSR, right, which is right on the coast of which used to be called Wheeler Island, but now it is called Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam Island, which is a Muslim name, right. So if you look at the nobody, it's a piece of them, correct?

Correct, but it's still. A Muslim name? Yeah. So in that sense, could we have taken a bridge at the fact that? One second, why is this an Islamic thing? So the fact that scientific names or points are named. We the religion, it itself is not an issue unless it's being done singularly just to glorify one religion, right? I think the fact that this is the is awesome, and if we again land at noon, I wish we'd name it something different so that that kind of shows neutral.

Correct. I think recently, just probably yesterday or day before yesterday the the four racers who kind of broke. Records by being one of the first Indian teams to break into the whole men's relay race and they each went. Each of those runners in that relay race were of different religion. And I think that shows the beauty of India that each of them belong to a different religion and they all participated together and correct. So because of each individual effort we won.

I think that's something which India is, that's what India's secularism stands for. So naming it Shivshakti itself is not an issue, but if that becomes a singular thing that we need everything this way, which only panders to one religion, I think that's a dark thought which would unsettle me. Another question, don't you think that the minority religion

is given a way more importance than the majority religion? I mean people when they like keeping the religion aside. Aren't we all humans? I mean, I understand the concept of unity and diversity, but it is not very much practiced here. So what are your viewpoints of that? So there's actually psychological concept called narcissism of minor differences. What does this mean?

It means that when people look alike, behave alike, eat alike, they get very obsessed with every tiny difference that differentiates both of them and they start obsessing over to such an extent that it becomes a big point of contention. Now let's say if there were Germans staying amongst us or if there were people from Australia or Africa, right, the point of dissension would be very less because we are completely carved out in the way we look, in the way we eat, in the way we are.

But when you look at Indians, we have, we are all S Asians at the end of the day. That's our origin point. We look very similar. We are very similar. So what happens is there is this tiny part in our brain that kind of really aggravates these differences and turns it very violent. So it starts from a very small thing where you can see it in very innocent examples where I'm an ICT student and I will say, hey, CBSE students, you know can do. They know this concept of CBS

system to correct ICC students. So Bhubanesha people will look down on other people, other people will look down on Bhubanesha people. Then eastern Orissa will look down on western Orissa. ODESA will look at every level in the high structure. Huge regional differences and correct people make fun of the other states as well. The other culture as well, yeah. So if it's done in a humorous sense, which does not is not malicious in nature, it's fine.

I think there's a sort of sense of humor which we should all interpret. Anyone correct? Correct. But. But The thing is when it comes to the question which you had asked, like there have been so many issues between religions and whatnot. I think they have always existed. But what has happened because of Twitter, because and because of social media? Why am I singing on Twitter? Suddenly each and every one of

us has a voice, right? Only everyone was scared to voice out their opinions because somewhere in the back of their head they knew that this might be wrong or this might not be accepted by the society as a problem. By the society, Correct. But now what happens? A bunch of periods speak out on Twitter and they find this echo chamber right where suddenly their view is being resonated and equal. If one person says something then correct. I need 2-3 people, support them

and then it just grows, right? So now their views are getting amplified and validated. So they think this is great. So very violent, aggressive views against different religions. Doesn't have to be minority, minority against majority, religion against religion, state against state. These viewers which are so toxic in nature are being celebrated in those echo chambers. So they're not able to know that this is wrong and I think that is the dark side of social media, the.

Validation that they can see, right. Yeah, that is so you don't realize that. OK, one second. What voices you're amplifying, you're just making you're basically heard of jackals, you know, as compared to. But in their head they're thinking they're alliance, right. Right. So it's a perception different, OK. This is my perception. They might think what views I'm espousing with my group of people and my friends and whatnot might be something

similar, right. But I think the whole idea, and I think this is a situation which is not playing India itself, it's playing the United States, UK everywhere. The dissension lines have grown very strict and defined because of the fault lines that social media has created. Because as I said, each and every one of us has a voice right now and there is no filter on it. We're not applying filters to what we want to say.

I think that will change only as a whole mass movement where we kind of attach this filter saying that if I'm not able to say what I want to say to the person on their face, I should not say it on Twitter. I think that's the one thing which you kind of. It's a very common like concept like. Haha, exactly. So we don't want to be keyboard warriors. If you can actually say it out in front of the person, that means you should be able to say it on wherever you want as well.

But if you're hiding from that, if you can't do that and I think that means there is something wrong in that thought which you know but you are kind of see every man, every human being has an animal on the inside doctor Jack and Doctor Hyde concept. So I think we need to kind of make sure that we we're human beings, the reason we have conquered over the other species in human beings in the animal Kingdom days because of our superior intelligence. It's time we use it.

Do you think democracy is the best structure of government? Because we can say in Germany when Hitler came there was dictatorship and. Germany was facing a lot of economic problems in the background, but when Hitler came, it kind of, it kind of sorted the problems. I'm not telling that he was a hero, but I hope you want. I have not, but he under him, the Volkswagen company, it opened the car. So I think him being a very violent personality is keeping that aside.

He was very much dedicated towards his country. What I feel he just wanted to make Germany a established country in the world. See, I think personally what my opinion is that when I look at world leaders, most of them, I don't feel that they are driven as much by the patriotic zeal as they show outwardly. It is more about what they look at, what they can mobilize, what they can capture on.

Now if you look at Hitler's background, he captured on the humiliation which Germany received at the end of World War One. But there were a lot of restrictions imposed in Germany which completely crippled the economy. And that's why there was a lot of resentment amongst the German people which Hitler abused and

misused and rose to power. And when he rose to power, he rose at the cost of the big community of Jews who were very rich, by the way, you know, So if you are saying the German economy developed, we might have to look at whether it was fox wagon which really improved or did the funds come from the families of people who were looted, right. So I don't think we can take that unidirectional approach.

But coming to your original question as to which form of government is best, I think it every form of government has its perks and corns obviously, but I'm talking about India. I think this form of pseudo democracy that we do have is the least worst of all options, you know, because we can see that if tyranny is allowed to come in, How? But it is not like India has not seen dictator ship.

Indira Gandhi was a dictator and she enforced Emergency. And in a lot of ways she also did a fantastic job at different aspects. But Indira Gandhi is a live example of how absolute power corrupts absolutely. You know, because like using the absolute majority that she had in the Parliament, she brought about amazing laws, she abolished princely tributes, which we were paying to all the kings and former Rajas and former kings. And decided to move correct abolition of pretty person.

So that was a great act. But then again, we saw. Also the war with Bangladesh, correct. You know, she did an amazing job in making sure which gave us a lot of strategic advantage, whether we Pakistan and Bangladesh. But we also see that and that power which she used so well, she did not. She completely misused it when it came to press freedom, right.

So when you look at that dark period in Indian history and also the dark period towards which we are slowly inching, it kind of shows that absolute power at the center is not something which is great for our country. I think. I know we have a flawed democracy, but. Every democracy is flawed, correct? It has some merits and sound demerits, right? Yeah. Democracy is flawed. Yeah, Yeah, So democracy is flawed. That's it. Coming through your no background. Yeah. OK, so there is this.

There are a few cases I would like to discuss. One of them is some bizarre cases around the world. One of them is the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit.

Basically a woman she sued. McDonald's because the coffee temperature which she was served was between 180 degree to 190 degree and she got third degree burns when she sprayed it on her lap and around 6% of her body was covered when discussed and the general temperature is 140 to one 1:30 to 1:30. They saw the coffee very hot, right? Compared to what they should have said, yeah. Yes, so. We even discussed the what the verdict was. But what do you think?

According to you, should the verdict have been see the if you were the judge? If I were the judge, OK, see us is a very different example from what Indian law is. Because each state has a different law. And like India which has one common law system and the same law will apply, in Mumbai the same law will apply and we measure, we don't have a similar system. So we should depending on the law, the judge will have to

bring that into account. The second thing that you ever take into consideration is that when US is called with a land of opportunity, the side meaning of that is it is also a land of lawsuits because you can sue the person for anything and everything under the sun. Now when it comes to this particular aspect, when the coffee was so way hotter than what is prescribed, yes, there is negligence involved, right.

So if I were a judge, I would see the attending circumstances like was this something which the user would have known This is the temperature which I'm served and it fell and does she suffer actually any injury or is this a mischievous lawsuit? If she actually suffered third degree burns or second degree burns because of the hot coffee, then she should be compensated.

Because if Starbucks or McDonald's has not been following the standard guidelines, so obviously they're required to, because it's a whole concert of product liability where whenever you're manufacturing a product, any consequences from using it, especially when you're not adhere to what you say that you're adhering to, I think you should be held liable to us on the next. I think this is also common sense. You should not keep such a hot cup of coffee on your lap while

driving a car. This is correct. I agree with that. But let's if you're looking at strictly from a taught perspective, and I think I'm deep dive too much into law in this one, so I'll keep it simple. Yes, she kept it. But there's a reasonable assumption in her that even if it falls, it won't burn her because no matter how hot it is, it will be the hottest under the prescribed temperature. But clearly this was I think, 30 or 40 degrees more.

Yeah, which is a lot. So I can imagine that Burn she must have suffered would have led her to file that lawsuit. So. So now on this was given that. It was 20% tall mistake and yet she was given compensation for the 30K points. I'm glad that the judge and I are on the same page. Pretty one saved a man sold bird

visa for visa. I guess bird visor for failing to help him attract beautiful women, right? So basically the people in America we know, they're very infamous for drinking a lot. So this person saw this commercial on TV? Where a lot of women conscious flirtious women were involved and every company does that okay to amplify their ads and everything. So he thought that if I consume a lot of this beer, I will also attract a lot of women. And in the the the the court

obviously dismissed his case. But why don't you have that? I mean if this were allowed, anyone was using axe perfume in India or will definitely go up to the courts. All are perfume, others it's. Not that dumb, to be honest. Yeah, I mean, OK, but if I were that, I'd obviously dismiss it because I mean no reasonable person, sticky, speaking from a legal perspective, can be expected that this is a genuine ad that suddenly if you put perfumes, 2530 girls will start

running after you. I think it's ridiculous. So yeah, I've dismissed it, but I'll have fun with it at least. You know, I'll definitely talk to worldwide a little saying that. What is this? How are you backing up your claim? Why are you putting the same ads? Also, objectification of So I think the weak companies are not making sure that this is like stupid people don't really go after this. There's always this footnote in all these ads, which are basically disclaimers.

Yeah. So I think it's very important for companies to use it. But seeing it from a very serious perspective, don't you think the quote already has so many cases which are. Untouched and everything.

Even India has this issue of black justice that justice is given. But justice delayed is justice denied, right? So isn't this burdening the court with much more stupider cases, which is just not see one man's stupid, is another man's injustice OK? Because we don't know. We can't be the arbiter of what is wrong and what is right. Now when you're comparing these kind of matters, this you won't find in India because obviously the courts are so burden. It takes 10 years for a case to

solve. US does not have the same problem there. The disputes get sorted out very fast and the appellate mechanism is very stringent as in you can't go High Court, Supreme Court very easily the way you can do it in India, right. Right. So matters get sorted out at a very ground level. So from the burden perspective, US doesn't really have that much of a problem when it comes to this. So they have. That's why they have a lot of

stupid lawsuits. But the court cannot exercise the discretion at the very outset that I think this is stupid. It should not even come. It will dismiss it at the very first time when it hears it. But it has to give that opportunity because it is true that justice denied. It's just as denied for another proverb that says justice should not only be done, but should appear to be done so. OK. Another last case is of Leonard versus Pepsi Coke.

OK, where in nine? Like how this turning into like a mini trash course unlock hell. In 1999, Pepsi ran an advertisement in USA showing a teenager having like 70,00,000 Pepsi points and 70,00,000 Pepsi points will give you a fight on jet kind of thing. So one person. Got 70 points, 70,00,000 points and everything but fighter jet was denied to him right okay. So he went to the court and said that this is the breach of contract, right?

I mean, can you blame the boy for daring to dream, right? So actually, at least this is the case or something I know about, because this came on Netflix as well. And very interestingly, Pepsi had offered him $70,000 to walk away, but the adults around him told him to go on with the suit. And ultimately the judge ruled that this is absolutely ridiculous. The guy who was there in the lawsuit in the ad can't even be expected to drive a car, let

alone a fighter jet. So no reasonable person could have anticipated that this was a serious offer, right? So it's true that this happened, but you know, kudos to that boy. Clearly he got a lot out of it, the Netflix show. 21 years ago. So I mean at 21 we are all concerned about law school and what are the next assignment. And this guy is clearly dreaming big, so cheers to his ambition. So coming to the last segment, this is a fun segment where? I will tell you a question and

ask you a question so where you have to answer anything spontaneously that comes to your mind like a coffee with Curran rapid fire, then I want to assume a very aggressive. There is no winning or losing. You one ready? 10 Right now there's a lot of performance pleasure to be in victory. OK, So what do you want for your birthday? A teleporter. What's the worst combination with thumbs up Mango juice? Anyone smell good ever to you? I have never smelt oh.

Why do you think Sindand is just stupidest person in this room? He talks while I'm answering. Do you think Gandhi is stupider than siddhant? No Sons of Darkness in Hindi. Wow, I'm very cute. But Oh yeah, that's not at. All Where do you find the hottest in this room? What's your girlfriend doing right now? I hope finding a way to be because I have man. OK. Do you like this podcast? Yeah, it's lovely. How many X's your X had? How many times you're farted today? Zero. OK.

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