We're joined this week by Jan Sahagun of Trellis (backed by YC) to talk all things agents, the future of STR/Vacation Rentals tech, running with lean teams, 150 properties with 1 person and a lot more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Jan Sahagun Trellis...
May 27, 2026•51 min•Ep. 178
We're solo this week to explore a fun thought experiment: what if we had to open our own vacation rental company? How would we operate it? Fund it? Grow it? What types of inventory are we targeting and why? Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell
May 20, 2026•39 min•Ep. 177
We're joined by an all-star cast from all over the US to talk AI, practical use-cases and growth in tooling that is going to move the needle. JJ King, Jack Zoppa and Jacob Mueller join us to each give one example of how they're using AI in their business spanning hiring, reviews, brand rep and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell JJ King Beachside Vacation Rentals Jack Zoppa Haven Vacation Rentals Jacob Mueller Renjoy...
May 13, 2026•1 hr•Ep. 176
We're joined by a favorite guest, Jamie Lane of Airdna to talk all things q1 2026 wrap up, World Cup demand, reading data the right way, how AI is impacting the AirDNA product, future-looking tips for vacation rental managers and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Jamie Lane AirDNA...
May 06, 2026•47 min•Ep. 175
We're pumped to welcome Michael Friedman, Chief Executive Officer of Simple Life Rentals onto the show to talk all things AI, growth, team, profitability, smart homeowner marketing that works, where we're headed into 2026 and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Michael Friedman Simple Life Rentals...
Apr 29, 2026•57 min•Ep. 174
We're thrilled to be joined today by Neely Khan and Rachel Alday to talk all things storytelling, marketing to luxury, being chosen vs being found, AI / LLM discoverability, and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Neely Khan Rachel Alday kahani Abode Luxury Rentals...
Apr 22, 2026•58 min•Ep. 173
We're thrilled to welcome John Suzuki - industry LEGEND - to the podcast to talk all things AI, the future, retirement (and then un-retirement), platforms, young professionals interacting with AI and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell John Suzuki Finding Better Podcast American Grit Book Staylist...
Apr 15, 2026•43 min•Ep. 170
Welcome to the AoH Operator Series! We're excited to peel back the layers on the smartest minds in short term rentals / vacation rentals who are in the weeds leading teams, building businesses and driving amazing results. We're thrilled to welcome CJ Johnson, Regional Director at Fairly to talk all things about Fairly! We learn how many properties they have (hint: it's already over 1,000 in just over 12~ months), where they are seeing growth, what makes their model unique vs Vacasa/other PMs, ho...
Apr 08, 2026•56 min•Ep. 172
We're joined by wunderkid Jack Zoppa to talk all things growth, AI, agents as tools to help your team, scaling to hundreds of units in his 20s, the future and a LOT more... you don't want to miss this one. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Jack Zoppa Haven Vacation Rentals...
Apr 01, 2026•54 min•Ep. 171
Welcome to the AoH Operator Series! We're excited to peel back the layers on the smartest minds in short term rentals / vacation rentals who are in the weeds leading teams, building businesses and driving amazing results. We are super lucky to have Doug Truitt, Senior Director of Channel Optimization at VTrips, join us for the first episode where we dive into his deep expertise and knowledge spanning the top brands in vacation rentals. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell...
Mar 25, 2026•51 min•Ep. 169
We're thrilled to bring back Heather Bayer again to the podcast to talk all things learning, AI, changes in 2026, "pacing", where we're headed and more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Heather Bayer Vacation Rental Success Vacation Rental Formula...
Mar 18, 2026•48 min•Ep. 168
We welcome Chef Franck (Franck Desplechin) to hear a brand-new perspective on fine dining and how we can apply those foundational elements to the service in the short term vacation rental industry. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Franck Desplechin Chef Franck...
Mar 11, 2026•52 min•Ep. 167
We welcome Jim Devos to the podcast to talk all things building a PMS in 2026, service, where AI fials, live customer feedback and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Jim DeVos VRWorks...
Mar 04, 2026•40 min•Ep. 166
We welcome Scott Eddy to the show to talk storytelling, hospitality, what hotels get right and Vacation Rentals get WRONG, Instagram, thinking about growth in 2026 and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Scott Eddy (IG) Scott Eddy (LinkedIn) Scott Eddy Website...
Feb 25, 2026•52 min•Ep. 165
We welcome back Dennis Goedheid from Casiola alongside Russ Kraft to break down the future of why Casiola is expanding, brand, direct vs OTA bookings, results of operational excellence and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Dennis Goedheid Russ Kraft Casiola Casiola Franchising...
Feb 18, 2026•53 min•Ep. 164
In this episode, we chat with Elliott Caldwell, CEO of Rise Collective, one of the fastest-growing vacation rental and real estate brands in the entire US about his opinions on local property management, signing up customers to scale, growth, profitability, tax benefits of short-term rentals and a LOT more. One of most unique interviews ever! Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Elliott Caldwell Rise Collective...
Feb 11, 2026•49 min•Ep. 163
In this episode, we check-in with Dana Lubner at Rent Responsibly. She's the Director of Community Development and has 8+ years of experience in the STR/Vacation Rental industry at both property management and in her current focus on regulation, community engagement, impact research and a LOT more. We cover a wide range of topics including local vs state groups (which one is better and why), the current state of regulations and Dana's background and wins. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam No...
Jan 28, 2026•53 min•Ep. 162
In this episode, we get Mark Simpson himself to join to talk all things Boostly Connect, marketing, 2026 changes, why he says "Soccer" and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Mark Simpson Boostly
Jan 21, 2026•56 min•Ep. 161
In this episode, we get Alex Alioto of Whimstay back for a proper full-length recording! We talk building an OTA, algo updates on platforms, trust, guest demand for last-minute stays and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Alex Alioto Whimstay Whimstay - List Your Properties...
Jan 14, 2026•54 min•Ep. 160
In this episode, we're joined by Gary Brown of Furnished Quarters to talk mid-term rentals, NYC, regulations, growth, marketing vs product, the guest experience, when to expand into a new market, and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Gary Brown Furnished Quarters...
Jan 07, 2026•54 min•Ep. 159
In this episode, we're solo to catch up again on year-end 2025 trends, data vs "vibes", averages, DARM recapping and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell
Dec 31, 2025•32 min•Ep. 158
We welcome back JJ King on his own dedicated episode to dive into his recent expansion, vibe coding, SAAS platforms, the future of vacation rentals, FL and more! Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell JJ King Beachside VR...
Dec 24, 2025•52 min•Ep. 157
In this episode, we're joined by Rena Pacheco-Thea, the CEO & Co-Founder at Boutiq to talk all things revenue, pricing, booms and busts, marketplace dynamics and more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Rena Pacheco-Theard Boutiq...
Dec 17, 2025•1 hr 1 min•Ep. 156
In this episode, we're joined (again) by industry legend Michelle Marquis to talk all things leadership, career pivots and her journey, being "bossy" and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Michelle Marquis The Bossy Girl's Guide to Leadership: Real Talk on Power, Purpose, and Leading Out Loud...
Dec 10, 2025•51 min•Ep. 152
In this episode, we're joined by Jeremy Udovich to talk about breaking into the vacation rental space from outside of it, being in a "small" market, properties that can make $300k+ per year, growth, leaving a 9-5, the golf industry and how it relates to vacation rentals and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Jeremy Udovich Sheboygan Vacation Rentals...
Dec 03, 2025•52 min•Ep. 153
In this episode, we break apart the changes happening in marketing, AI, search, brand discovery and a TON more with expert Brennen Bliss. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Brennen Bliss Propellic The 2025 Study...
Nov 26, 2025•50 min•Ep. 151
In this episode, we're solo to break down the Sonder death, master leasing, shifting tides in our industry, demand going down and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Skift - Sonder Shuts Down After Marriott Termination, Marking the End of a Hospitality Experiment...
Nov 19, 2025•34 min•Ep. 155
In this episode, we're joined by Amy Hinote to preview the upcoming DARM (Data and Revenue Management Conference) 2025 conference in Sandestin, Florida. Buy your ticket TODAY to see us there. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Amy Hinote DARM...
Nov 12, 2025•49 min•Ep. 154
In this episode, we break down what many hosts miss when it comes to the in-property experience, how product placement works in vacation/short term rentals, building a business while hosting and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell UpClose Marketing Rachel Vigil...
Nov 05, 2025•53 min•Ep. 149
In this episode, we chat about PR, brand, building trust, AI and a LOT more with Jessica Gillingham. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Jessica Gillingham Abode PR Jessica's Book: Tech-Enabled Hospitality: Strategies to Elevate Guest Experience and Operational Efficiency...
Oct 29, 2025•52 min•Ep. 148