I remember art when I held my son in my hands, it's just like, I'm... I'm just so ready. Like, I'm ready to be really to do this and be really good at it. Welcome to the art of Father. A podcast that takes you on the journey of father. Now here's your host art eddie. What's going on everybody already here for another addition of the Art Father and podcast. I'm very lucky to have this gentleman on. It's other than Seth Davis. Thanks for taking the time to chat me, sir. How are you doing?
I'm doing great, man. I appreciate the chance to to talk to you today. It sounds like a really cool topic. Thank you. Yeah. We're gonna talk about father when talk about your latest book that you work with Rex Chapman. It's hard for me to live with me a memoir. When we talking about that in a hot sec. When we're talking about a lot of great things that you do, especially I'm a big fan when you break down more madness and then you're writing for the athletic and
all that good stuff. Like I said, like bringing good guys like yourself by father. When you found out you're gonna be a dad for the first time, what was going through mind, man. Oh, so excited. You know. And it's like, I tell young people or, you know, after having done it, like, There's never a good time to have a baby. Right? It's never... Well, if I I'd need them to make a little money or be more stable in my career It's never convenient to have a child.
But I also would advise folks, you know, you're better off doing it a little bit late than a little bit early because you want to, I remember someone wants to describe marriage this way. Like, by the time you're getting married. You don't wanna be, like, the pros and cons, you wanna, like, you wanna sprint to the altar or the or the hope we say in my in my faith. So yeah, I was 34 when my first son was born. And so, you know, I a little bit older. I was married at 31, so pregnant at 33.
And it was great. Like, I just... I I remember art... When I held my son in my hands, it's just, like, I'm... I'm just so ready. Like, I'm ready to be really to do this and be really good at it. And and if you don't have that feeling when you become a dad, then we need to start on unpacking some things. And and whatever... Yeah, obviously, you guys a have to have responsibility. But if you don't feel that way, then we need to sort of work on why you don't feel that way and how to get you to feel
that. Well, yeah, no doubt is funny. When my wife and I were going through our... You know, it's kinda talk about religion and stuff. Where we are get going through our pre caine. Right? We had a couple talk to us. We, they invite over, to their house. We were talking about, like, so what are you gonna do this? This this, and we're talking... It was more of marriage questions. Like, If you guys decide to have kids, what are you gonna do is are you guys gonna do allowance. You can do
this or that. I came from a house with allowance. My wife didn't it was still kind of the same mentality, like, her family's kinda like Bill Bell check, do your job. Might was, like, do your job, but you're also gonna reward your before it. Right? So it was just, like, I remember on the way home. We had that conversation. I was like, oh, this is... This is pretty interesting. This is something where we didn't maybe see the eye eye, but we... You know, started
talking about it. But just, like, it kinda was echoing what you were saying just about, like, are you ready for this, whether it's marriage or having a having a child because obviously, both various serious commitments. So I love that. So and is anything like my marriage by the way. So you gave your side she gave her side, if you compromise and did what she wants. That's that's usually how it goes. No doubt. For you, man, you're a creative writer, You, you know, you you do so
many different things. And I feel like you can look at whether it's a project, or a job and and look at it from, like, a, like, a bird's eye view right can kinda see different things as you got into the game of broadcasting writing and all that. I think like, you know, having your head on a swivel kinda use a basketball term is something maybe you tell your kids, but were some of the other values or things you were looking to instill into them. I just want them to be good people.
I just it'd be nice to people, you know, And, you know, this this little twitter thing that I do each morning when Write, please be kind, like, that kind of grew out of that. I hadn't really thought about it and they really asked about it, but dropping them off elementary school. I remember 1 time sitting in a Cbs it was, like a seminar meeting for the Nc tournament. And the marketing guy was up there and kinda giving this presentation about the tournament. And he he mentioned
about the entertainment world. And he said, we love when a show only has 1 word in the type because then we can make it really big on the billboard. And it's an interesting concept arc, because I think it applies to a lot of things. You know, if, like, if you try to tell your kids a hundred things, then they may not remember any of them or whatever. But if you're only telling them 1 thing, every single day, when you drop them off its school, they're gonna remember. They may not
do it and they may not whatever. They're gonna get the message. So the last thing I... I said them just be kind. Just be just be nice to people. And if you do that, we can go through anything else. When they don't do that, and of course, none of us is perfect. And sometimes you're not as respectful to your teachers or coaches or however, then we're having church, you know, But basically, just beat, like, my youngest son is now reading to kill a mocking bird.
And I read it again, maybe for the fifth of time because he was reading it because I wanna be able to have those conversation. No. That's I the think of the book is about empathy. So that's really... It's really... What I... What I'm trying to through my stories, through my writing, through my broadcasting, conversations like this and so certainly the conversations been, like, kids, be empathetic and try to see things from other peoples. Point of view. It'd just be nice. Nice.
I love that. Yeah. Because you don't wanna overwhelm them. Right? And ed. As you wanna teach some things, but you want... You also want them to learn on their own. Right? And so if you give them too many things. That's the balance. Yeah. Make... And how... What's the best way to learn art? Mistakes. Yep. There's no teacher like mistakes and and knowing knowing that it's not about avoiding mistakes and even learning from mistakes but own the mistake. The reason this happened
is because of a choice you made. I actually don't like the word mistake because it's like, well, that was a mistake. No that wasn't a mistake. You made a decision based on the information you had in that moment and who you were. Now you have new information. So we're make another decision, and that's kind of a mindful way of living. Yeah. My my daughter my oldest when she was in sixth grade. Her teacher said, like, fail stands for first attempt in learning, and
I loved that. Right? It was just like I think fantastic. Yeah. My daughter's, sixth grade teacher. I remember we had, parent teacher night and he's like, had the acronym fail And I was like, you know, I teach... I tell my kids, what does this stand for? And we're all, like, I don't know. And they and they said that I was like, that's amazing. It's like, the time that people talk about Tom at Edison is it. I didn't, you know, I I didn't fail a hundred times.
I found a hundred ways that didn't work. I learned. It's but just true. Very true. Love. Talk about something at your kids, just kinda flip the script. Talk about something at your kids of taught either about yourself or about life that maybe didn't know was there and so you became a dad. Well, the limitations the lack of control that we really do have, and the importance of patience and temper, you know, like, I'm always, you know I'm a big meditation. I'm always talking about, you
know, you know, 3... You know, I know... You know as a dad very annoying when your kids quote, you back to you. Right? So it's like, I get a little mad of little like that. Re breathe. Like, tell me to breathe. Don't tell me to breathe. So. And then, you know, I mean, I I see my 3 boys as a lot more a alike than I see them as different, but clearly, they're they do have their differences.
And as a as a dad, you do kinda realize that you don't have that much control over the situation over who they are what they learn, how fast they learn. And so what you wanna do is sort of find the areas that you do have a little bit of leverage. And... I I think the influence is better. Because leverage, you know, confer, like, discipline, like, if you this happens I'm taking your phone away. And sometimes you
do stuff like that. But it's more kind of guiding them to their own selfish motives in a good way. That's where the empathy piece comes in, not judging, and just being, you know, staying staying connected, But I would I would think the the the humility is is probably the biggest thing. I love that. 2 more questions about Father we'll go into the book and smell great things that you do.
You and, I I feel like a lot of things you've been saying could be used as a piece of advice, but for new dads, new parents out there, dad hack or piece of advice you'd like to offer to them. Just be present, You know, It's like the old old old saying, how do you spell love TIE? You know, there's no... There's no Urban meyer that's to me if I may main drop. I'm like, god, that's good. There is no substitute for that. Now life
you know, inter seats. You gotta make a living, and I travel a lot for my job. But there are ways to be connected. Even when we're traveling, that's 1 great thing about. We talk about the bad things about technology. Like, that's amazing, like, facet timing, texting, sending each other, you know, funny, whatever. Yeah. Being connected, being around and really listening. Listening, You know, like, don't try to solve every problem. And this is good for marriage
by the way. And by the, this is something that Art has been a great payoff for me as a as a journalist. Like, we're talking want to all about this book with Rex. Like, when I'm having an into... I'm interviewing something. I'm trying to draw out their story. I'm not judging them. Right? I'm not saying, boy, You're this or that was better. That was stupid. I'm thinking, okay. Where's What what am I... What's what am I gonna lead with in my story. And all, that's gonna
be in there? What I gotta get back to that and... Boy, he just mentioned somebody avery. I remember to get that guy's number so I can go talk to him. Like, I'm putting the the puzzle together. And so you become a really good listener, and you're just curious in you're open minded and and you're being non judgmental.
So just being connected, being physically present, psychologically present, emotionally present, and just being a good listener and not trying to solve all their problems, and not judging them. But it's hard enough to get especially when we have teenagers. It's hard enough to go them to open up to you and share. Yeah. 2 of my sons are not great. Share become better. My middle son is a great share. Like, he's a great. Nice. Ba and it's a wonderful thing. So they're a
little bit different in that way. But No no stuff to do for just physically being there. Yeah. This another adage too. It's like you got 2 ears in 1 mouth for 1 reason. Right? Listen more talk less. As Hamilton, you know, Taught. Is there a moment that kinda cool for you that, like, intersect father and your career Like I I know you know, research in and do a more stuff behind, you know, just you in your in your career. Like, there's a cute moment with you and your...
1 of your sons, like, you know, he's on the microphone. Like, talk about, like, is there a fun moment or a... Something you'll cherish us that intersect your career and father? Well, to state the obvious. What I do is pretty cool. And, you know, it doesn't always, like, I know guys in the business, like, you sort of wanna enjoy sports with your sons and, like, that doesn't always happen. That's okay too. Yeah. That it too. But my sons are sports nuts. Right? So they've had some pretty cool
experiences, You know, I mean... I've had, like, Stephen Curry been in their bar for videos, You know, Coach K, Mike Tyson, you know, the inside the Nba guys, did a video for me. Right including Shaq tequila O'neal singing his version of H von. They come to the final 4 almost every year. Oh, nice. Just a great hang and I get passes and they come and they hang out with me. So they've met, you know, Ernie and Jay Wright, and Clark Kellogg has watched them grow up. I mean Greg Gum watched them grow
up. They've grown up studio. So they've been around it. And and and really, I hope this doesn't come across to sell the brand isaac, But I'm very intentional just generally in my life, but especially in a studio setting where there's only a couple of us that are actually in front of the camera. But there's a lot of folks who are in the studio. And it's very important to me that those
folks know that I see their value. That just because I'm sitting there, I'm in front of the camera, and he's behind the camera, like, there's no levels in there. If anything, I'm here. They will they bust my balls mer with. And so my son see how I treat. Everybody. Like Clark, I mean, again, being around Clark and Greg and Jay Wright and all these people, like, treating everybody with respect and kindness. And just because you're here, and I'm, like Charles Barkley is the best at.
Charles Barkley is so interested in everybody. He doesn't... I mean, he knows he's charles Barkley, but not not at not in that way. So it's it's been great to to... And my oldest son is in communication school with Texas, and he kinda wants to maybe get into this, even though the the the industry is kind of collapsing around us, but to to sort of share that and he's constantly...
Unite. You know, let me give you. I know you wanna move on. 1 of the best pieces of parenting advice they I ever heard. What... And kinda I'm talking about it was from Bill Walton. So Bill Walton all 4 of his sons played basketball, of course Luke, you know, Coach, the Nba and on these things. And so they were becoming really good basketball players. And he said to them. We can do a whole sports parent thing that's ours and I'll
really get on the soap box. He said in his kids, I will talk to you about basketball and your performance and your game and what's going on with your team for as long as you want. But I will only talk about it if you ask. If you don't wanna talk about it, If you don't ask, we will never talk about it. I will never come to you and say, let's sit down and break down what you did wrong in the game. That's not gonna happen. And so I've done that. Like,
when I watched my kids. I told my kids, when they're playing sports, like, I I don't make a people on the sidelines. I really know. I mean I cheer I'm into it, but I like a lot and most of the parents are not like that, and it's really... It drives me crazy. And it drives their kids crazy. Yeah. To them. I'm never... Like, don't think because I'm sitting there not saying anything that I don't care or that I don't want you to do well or that I don't want you to win.
But I don't want you to think... I don't want... I'm not gonna be that guy. And so just... And they're like, thank you. And if you if you were otherwise, I would tell you to shut the f up. So Anyway. There you go. No. It's funny like, coaching my daughters in different sports and all that and having the parents I got a half time or, time out They'd be like, hey. Hey, do this. Do this and we're, like, we got this. You know, Me and this other dad are like, like, we got
this. Yeah. I remember, I interviewed brand Brandy Cha, you know, from soccer and she had to iconic moment and all those stuff. She was coaching whoever her daughter soccer team. And their parents trying to over coach her I'm like, what Just you could be, like, the best of the best athlete that you serve, like, parents, no. I know better. You should have, like, a big poster her that. Iconic pose with the sports per prop. Yeah. And I'm... In anytime someone says, I'm just be like, y, Done.
We're good. Thank you. Yeah. My bona Fide. Where is size. Art, I fantasize about writing a book about youth sports. Yeah. The title of the book would be the grown ups ruin everything. Am I right. Am I right. So right. So right. Right. Yeah. So going back to just writing and all that, man, you know, Rex Chapman people who might not know of him. People who listen in Spot. I think they understand because I'm a big... I'm the big of the sports. Have a lot of athletes and journalists and
broadcasters on. But people might not know played in the Nba, got fell into a dick and got out and kinda reinvented himself a lot of, you know, he he shares a lot of stuff. He's he's opens. But, like, talk little about how this book came to be. And how you guys work together. The first time I met Rex was he did some studio work with me is was working for Turner. And they put them on the studio desk in Atlanta for the first 4 game. So just those first
2 is Tuesday, Wednesday. This was, I guess, March of 17, I'm I wanna say. And I never read them before. I like them. We a get... We, you know, we vie and kinda stayed in touch by text and all that. And that September, he got arrested for shop lifting merchandise out of an Apple store and trying to sell them at pawn shops. And so it was, like, big story. His mug shop was all over
video of of him. The actual security footage video, video of him in in the Per walk, which was obviously done for the cameras. And so, you know, the human in me was, like, man that's awful. I feel so bad for him. Like I know this guy. Right? Yeah and gosh but the writer in me was like, wow, that's gotta be a great story. Like, that I how does somebody like that, get
there. And so I didn't have any contact with him, and he actually reached back out to me at memory serves, because he was going to the final 4, he had gone through rehab and cleaned himself up. He was addicted to opioids. So he sent me AAAA long text and, hey. We haven't connected in a long time. I just got on a rehab. I addicted to prescription medicine. And he's gonna be at the final 4 because Kentucky was played in the final 4.
And he who's gonna work those gains for Turner, and I saw him out there and get a Hug week kinda talk, and I'm like, what are you doing? He's like I'm staying at some guy's house in in California and I'm like, where already he told me I'm like, that's like a mile from where I live. And I said to him Was running for sports illustrated. And I said, can Do a story on you? He said, absolutely. So I wrote a story on him for sports illustrated.
And so we kinda stayed in touch over the years and we became really good friends. And we did sort of talk about doing a book. I mentioned to him it was more mason. Hey, you got a great book in here. Like, I had no idea. They're gonna sell, then we're gonna wanna publish it. But I always said to him Art, you can't do it unless you're ready to say everything. Yeah. And you can't hold anything back. If you if you feel like, well, maybe I shouldn't say that they don't do it.
And so once he got to a point where I thought he was ready, we sort of started working on it. And, look, it was a process, man. I mean, it was you know, as especially... First of all, we would have... Especially when we got to the point and the narrative when he... When things went really bad. When he was like bottom, like, he would say to. Hey man I need some... I know we're supposed to talk today, but, you... Yesterday kicked my ass, like
I need some time. It's very, very hard for him to read because he's so full of self judgment. Don't know Always say, hey amy. What's our mantra? No shame. Yeah. Like, we got time for Shane Bro. We have got time for it. And then at the very end, when he started seeing the final versions and and actually doing the the final proofs and realizing this thing was gonna be in the world. He had a horrible time. He actually, had a severe panic attack and actually ended
up in the hospital. There are some other things going on it wasn't just because of the book, but the book was certainly a part of. It didn't help. And he told me, like, if I knew it was gonna be this bad. I would have never done this. Now that the book has been out and it's been received the way that is been received, which I knew what happened and I told him what happened, but also watching him go through the interviews. And having to talk about this stuff. It's 1 thing when you say this to a
therapist once a month. Yeah. And you're probably not even talking about this stuff because you don't wanna talk about you're talking about whatever is going on. Telling these stories, giving the same answers to the same questions. Over and over and over and over again, I could actually see him start to heal in real time doing these interviews. It was, like, just kind of un burden himself. So, you know, we we've talked a lot about, hey. We did something great.
We did. I mean, forget about the commercial success of the book, hit the New york times all. Awesome. But it it really helped a lot of people. It wasn't really a high impact endeavor. Like, we did something great, man. Like, like, be pride of yourself. For once, Got. Yeah. Yeah. The hopefully the message got through, probably not. But again, the underlying message of that book and just his story and you guys working together was kinda be kind.
Right? Like, sometimes, I have, you know, people come on this show and they talk about miscarriage or losing a son or losing a daughter or having a tough time to, conceive, you know, a kid and all that. People will email me and, like, thank you for letting that person share their story because I feel I don't feel alone. Right? Obviously, everyone has their own shoes to walk in and and they have their own store, and there maybe not have the the pulpit, like, Rex Chapman will
have. But there are certain things that that person that maybe had similar pathways that Rex had can feel a little bit, not vin, but like, it's not just me like, oh, he got through it. She got through it, maybe I can do it. Right? And so again, that idea of being kind and understanding someone's, you know, plight or just their their downs.
They're they're downs, not just their ups. We'll be like, oh, and I think, like, especially now, every 4 years in this country, we need that, like, you always put out be kind. Especially every 4 years, we kinda need that mantra. So I appreciate that. Was? Was was this the hardest book you had to do from, like, you know, I know that my my friend, John Fig, I wrote a book about father, and I know there was rewrite and edits and all this other stuff.
But for you, personally, was this like the hardest just because of what you had, you know, share with Rex and how what he was sharing with you? Like, was this, like, the biggest, like, obstacle course for getting the book done? Well, You know, I've... I've done several books of my own that I've written I wrote wrote, like, a wrote biography of John Wood. Right? And then I I did a book about the magic bird championship game, and I wrote a book about leadership, and then I sell published 2 books.
1 is... My first 1 was a kind of a memo memoir of my experiences at at East Coast Jewish Summer camp. And then I actually, I wrote this is actually very much online with what we're talking about. I wrote a, a young adults, novel will call the soccer Prince. And use all of my family's names with all of these things that are in their self published. So you know, to be honest, though, like, a John wooden biography, that's a lot of work.
You're interviewing, I think if interviewed, you know, over 200 people and it took several years of research, and it's a 500 page book. No, these collaborations, Rex was my fourth, previously, I did... I just did 1 with sister Gene. Who's now a hundred and 4 years old and and mentally sharper than you and me, or anyone we know, trust me. Yeah. The collaborations and a lot of respects are are easier because if you're only dealing with
1 person. Now it's it's more about like, sister Gene was a dream because, I mean, she would email me her schedule every week, and we would pick a wand, and I knew I know that she'd be there. Yeah you know, rex between his life and he's his Ad. I mean, it's, now, not high on executive function. So a lot of it is just, like, logistically getting getting on the phone with with folks. But it was, you know, it wasn't... So that was a little bit of a
challenge, but in terms of the emotion... The emotional pain was a lot harder for Rex because it was is the 1 who have to live all this stuff. No doubt. And so this next question kinda especially what you're saying with your with your son, 1 of your son looking to get into podcasting and sports and all that, And again, it's kind of like, I'm not gonna... Maybe he he's gonna come to for
you for advice and all that. But like I said, sports illustrated and, of course, now the Athletic you have your own subs, do great work for Tv, radio all that stuff. You know, Like, when I was working radio, it's was like, you have to wear so many hats, so people will keep you around. Right? You know it is. And you have seen from the start of your careers and now, Like, you were talking about, like, just this industry, how it is ebb and flows.
You gotta say with it. How do you kinda, like, make sure that you keep on evolving or you're seeing the trends so you make sure that you can stay abreast to all the different changes, all the different tech stuff that's behind it now? You can keep on doing what your logs. It's a great question. I mean, I think for me, for a while now, my my currency has been my versatility. Mh. Now on the 1 hand, I have been able to gain a lot of currency by being a college basketball
expert. Right? So in that sense, it's a specialty. It's a niche. Arc. But so I've I've tried to make my range versatility by being able to write and then doing books and then being able to do television. Right? So there are not a whole lot of people who are able to kinda of hit all 3 areas. Your B guy, I have the granular, you know, roster injuries, picking games, what's going on with, you know, inside certain teams.
And then you have the sort of long form magazine, storytelling, Like, when when Bob might died, I I had pre written an 8000 word obituary. On Bob Might, which was published in on the in the athletic, which was a great project for me to really sync my teeth into, and then I've books, so then I can also go on Tv. So I'm just doing like there's that David Epstein book called range, which is interesting where that's like, And that's I talked to all my kids
about. Like, like, my son wants to be a broadcaster, Like, I said to him, like, you have to be able to call everything. Baseball hockey, football basketball, soccer or Lac lacrosse, softball, like, tennis swimming, whatever it is, because the more things you can do, the more opportunity you have for work. There. And so... And then just, you know, a lot of it, art is just, and you know... You will know this is just the way you treat people, the way
you operate and really building your network. Yeah. Your of contacts, you know, planning just like everybody, And I was say, like, young people, like, again, my son's at Texas. I'll just use an example, I say, you know, there's an assistant video guy. On... It was just maybe a grad student on the in the Texas football team, but he's in the on the Texas football team. In 20 years, he might be the coach of of the... Of the giants. And, like, that's what happened. So, like, you
start off on your career. You're doing entry level grunt work, not making a whole lot of money working long hours. And you're looking around you and you're coming into contact with all of these people who are your peers who are all at that stage while it happens very quickly. 2 years from now, 5 years from now. Mh. It's the best thing about growing old, I call that relationship equity. Where everywhere I look, I find somebody where do I well, that... What what's going
on there? I might wanna get involved. Well, this this guy running at about about. I'm like, oh my god. I know I'm from 20, you know, 20 years ago, we were sitting at at the Boston garden doing whatever. Yeah Oh, you know, being being very intentional about how you treat people. And also staying in contact with people and building your network is is, like, what people say is it's not about, like,
but, you know versus who you know? Like, you gotta know stuff, but the people and who's on your roster are are are huge? No. Doubt... Yeah. The the idea that the advice you gave your son, like, calling all everything. I remember I visited buddy in Virginia, and we went to the sports museum. And it was like, you can call this 1, like, baseball play. Right? And Like, 0II watched Baseball. I watched sports all the time know Doing it. I was like, even like my radio background I'm like, Was a deer
headlight. I'm the guy... And then, yeah. I'm like, it's a lot harder than it loads when people are like, oh, man. Why they keep on saying this or that or they're just 0 on this because that's what that's what's main right now. That's what, like, the focus of the game is right now. So I love that. Let's finish off with the father a quick 5. And again, I appreciate you being generous
with time. Favorite family movie you guys have 1. 0, that's a what's a no brainer for me is the movie gets a wonderful life. I I can basically recite the movie if you've got 3 hours. I live tweeted it. I did it 1 year by action. I just kinda started doing it and and is is just so much fun and and being in that mind space on Twitter, which is unusual. I grew up watching the movie, it's it's it might be the only perfect movie I ever. I mean there been a lot of great ones, obviously.
Might be the only perfect movie the construct option of of of the plot. And the message, the message it, like, you know I mean, the the definition of great art is something that not only stays relevant over time, but gets more relevant. That's what like to kill a mocking bird is more relevant now than it was even when it came out 1 for me would be almost famous, which is kinda my traditional birthday viewing.
It's a wonderful life to me. I'm looking at my dog, clarence nice for for the for the angel for the angel. So there yeah. No. Like, my mom, she passed away in 2012, but, like, that was her movie, like, we all... Every Christmas, we'd watch it. She have, like, different. It's a wonderful life, different decorations and stuff, and when she passed away, my sisters and I got each some of them, and I put up there and, like, I was waiting for my daughters to see
if they wanted to. Again, like, you know how you said, like, I'll approach you if you wanna talk about sports. So you wanna talk about this. Yeah. This is something, like, And they and they wanted to see it. They're like, this last this past Christmas. And they're like, oh, let's watch it, and they're like, it's really good. And it's like, it stays with it because of the values and the themes for. So hundred percent, spot on good. Don't you know if I may. Hijack
jack your pockets. You know, I don't if you do the story about how it's a wonderful life became so popular. So it was made in right after World War 2. And it did alright at the time. I think it was nominated for best picture didn't win, but then it was forgotten, you know, and it was kind of shown what it wherever. And then in the late 19 seventies, by only by a clerical error. The studio that owned the movie forgot to renew its copyright.
And when that lapse, and there was no copyright to the movie, that meant that any, and you'll have to explain to your daughter's a time when there were only 4 Tv stations. That could be watched. Old old guys like us. Oz there was no copyright. Every local television station in the country was able to air it for free. It didn't cost. So they could make free money off the commercials. And so because it was a Christmas theme movie, all of you never grown up in December,
it was everywhere. And so this movie that was totally forgotten was revitalize, and and the and the woman who played name is Cara Grimes. You tell him obsessed with this movie, played Mi. Yeah. And members Zoo pedals. Yep. She's walking by 1 of these Tv stores. That has, like, 40 Tvs, and they're showing it's a wonderful life, and she stops and she looks at it and she's like, I
think I was in that movie. But she's 1 of these child actors who did, like, a dozen or so movies whatever gone with her life, and she's, like, I think I was in that movie. And I'm like, oh, yeah. That was... She totally forgot about it. And now they thought they didn't renew the copyright, but by By... So now it's just amazing how these things work. It's there's a great message in in in the story about the story. Oh, I love that. Nice. Thanks for... Thank you very much for sharing that.
Favorite family song or is there a band or genre of music, you couldn't wait to do your son's too. Under road? You want me to sing it? Thunder. 1 of the things that I share with my family, and particularly my sons is my summer camp, Jewish, East Coast summer camp in Pennsylvania is called Camp E. And my parents actually met there in 19 64. So I grew up my sister went there. I was a counselor for many years. And now my 3 sons go there. My oldest 2 were count are gonna be counselors.
Right And so, you know, music has a way of in trading that kind of closed ecosystem. And so and that camp, Bruce Springs because a lot of East Coast kids it's, you know, a lot lot of long island. When I was going up was Billy Joel and yes and Bruce were the big acts. And so that's change of a bruce's like the standard. So Bruce and Thunder Road, like, if that comes on in the Car in the East street radio lot, If that comes on in the car, Talking we're singing.
It's a it's a... My my is oh my wife, but by the this, she knows it's a great thing. Well, describe the perfect family vacation, where would it be? Somewhere are, we can play golf. Golf is a great thing that would be out something I would advise dads get you get your boys and girls into golf because it's a great thing that you can do together. Really, this is gonna sound h, but it's it's completely true. Wherever we're together. Yeah.
Anywhere we are... We don't have to do something fancy, and my kids don't, you know, like, let's just... Like, we go, we'll go to the desert and we're get a Vr able bring the dogs full the golf, cook at home, be together like that. And now that, know, I'm gonna have 2 in avocados next year 2 of the 3, you know, my wife talked, when I talk about this a lot, like, the opportunities for the 5 of us to be together. Are not gonna be as as plentiful as as in the future they've been in the
past. So those are special times. No. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. We're kind of realizing that too with my daughters in, like, high school and... Gonna be gonna be gonna... My youngest is gonna be in high school next year. So... Yeah. And, yeah. III love... We just started getting our daughters in into gulf too. So, yeah, Spot on with that, man. I love that. Favorite athlete when you were growing up was? John Rig. Nice. Huge.
Redskins fan. Okay. We had season tickets to R k stadium, which we're actually getting ready to demolish. I'm surprised they haven't done that. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe the commanders... Plan there. But I was the kid in the hogs nose and the Rig Jersey and the foam finger and we had season tickets. And my dad took me to all 4 super Bowls. And you wanna talk about a a grateful circle moment like at my Bar mit, it
was a Redskins skin theme. And so every player was every table, at, you know, the sort of deck was a different player on the center. So my table was the head table with all the kids was John Reagan because he was larger than life. So fast forward x number of years, John Rig sent me a direct message over Twitter. Asking me asking me to be a guest on his radio show. He was hosting a radio show, and he wanted to talk college basketball. I know if he knew our connection or
whatever. I was like, oh my god. You gotta be Of course. So I did the show and we started off, and I said, reg before we get started. I know you've been the Super Bowl Mvp. I was I was in the Rose bowl when you made that run. I know you're a hall of Fame. I know you have x number of yards. The greatest accomplishment in your life, You were the head table at my apartment Red stay. And so I just... I know.
III wore 40 the my my wrist 44 Jersey, every single I'm and looking for if there's a picture was somewhere. John Rick. John Rick can see. It so awesome. They always say sometimes don't meet your heroes, but you're like. I'm gonna meet. It's gonna be great. Was great. He he came to me. That was the thing. It wasn't like, hey. I was like he's, like, Hey. We doing me a favor, I know if you know who I am I used to play a little football I'm like, know who you are. I kinda kinda know who you're are.
And lastly, top 3 words, you hope your sons would use to describe as a dad. What would you want them to be? He was kind. Nice. Great. Love it. Of course. I love it. Just stay Back to the billboard. 1 word on the billboard. Everybody should asked themselves. Tim Ferris has does this where? Like, if you could put a slogan on a billboard, what would it be? Everybody because then... Because it makes you choose. Yeah. Makes like which 1... Like, there's a lot of them that could be really good. Yeah.
You could hit 1. So he was kind. Now, people make sure you follow seth, on Twitter at seth davis Oops checkout out his website over at seth davis dot subs sec dot com. In addition to be picking up, it's hard for me, to live with me a memoir pick up all these books. Support sky purchase... Yeah. Well, yeah. And just pick pick up his great books. But, again, I appreciate you your time. I wish you and your family continued success, but this was a blast chat with you, sir. You, art
if the... This is not a quid pro quote do what you want, but I'm just saying the book that I wrote called the soccer prince. I self published it is kind of through. Amazon You can buy that on Amazon. And I think your girls would... Even though it's about a prince. I think your girls would relate and you as a dad and a sports dad, to all the themes in in that book. So just a little plot. And and anything that gets people reading, and I'll tell you this, and only 1 person took me up
on it and I did it. If you wanna mention it to 1 of your teach... 1 of their teachers. If they assign it to their class to read, all all appear, I'll go... I'll talk to the class via Zoom. Nice. No. I talked to him about the book. I did that 1 person in Connecticut. Took me up on that. Sweet. Alright. Cool. Thanks, man. Bye. I'm glad you doing this man. Thanks for chasing me down, brother. Appreciate. Thanks for checking out this week's edition of
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