My mother's unbelievable. I was raising on Singapore home. And so you know, I just kinda... All the things that I I remember growing up and missing out on I tried to make sure that I was after my side, you know, when I had him. So I kinda learned it that way indirectly, you know, it happened to be a good bad Welcome to the art of Father, a podcast that takes you on the journey of father. Now here's your host, art Eddie. This week's art other podcast is being brought you by ga.
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talking about father. And I love bringing good guys like yourself to talk about their father her journey. You found out you're gonna be a dad for the first time when I was going through mind, sir. Well, alright, let's see. I was 20 years old and I found that out A whole lot was going through my mind. But, you know, I was excited, and and at the same time, scared nervous. But, you know, it's just been 20 years old in college what type of father, You know, you're gonna be and, you know, And
but it it all worked now. And I had a I had a great support system. And my mother's unbelievable. I was raising a home. And so you know, I just kinda all the things that I I remember growing up and missing out on, tried to make sure that I was there my side, you know, when I had him. So I kinda learned that way indirectly, you know, had a good a good day. But I was I assuming I was a good dad. You never know.
No. III appreciate that too, because sometimes, you know when I talk to parents, or especially dads where if they didn't have, like, a dad in their in their life. It was always like, well, I grew up I'm fine, I can do whatever, but, like, you broke that likely make sure... Like, the fact that you, like, I wanna make sure that my son has everything I didn't have is speaks volumes of
your character and terms of your character. If people know you from the football world, but just, you know, even off the field, I know you're a really good guy, you and your family have the, Lynn family foundation which we'll talk to... Talk about in a second, but talk about some of the values you were looking to instill your kids as they were grown up. Number 1II guess, for me, just I when I have a vision for my kids growing up, you know, that... I I know they're gonna fail.
And and and and when they fell I just want them to respond the right way. Mh. Oh, and that was always important to teach them that, you know, Failure is a it's a process. It's it's not the obvious of success process. Yeah. And it's very important that you go through that, But it's what you do after that, that matters most. And so that was something I tried to, you know, and instill in them early. And and also just humility, you know? Just
Man. I just I just have a hard time with people that lack humility, and I just wanted my kids be respectful when and not take things for granted and just you know, just respect to other people's space. But but probably the number 1 thing is faith. Is because That... That's that's scared me thus far as it's my faith. And I probably said that first. You know, But You saved the best for last. It's good. Right That's a good way to put it. That's why you're doing the podcast and I'm not.
But you know, that's been so important to me and and it's really important to me that my kids, they they they that choose their fake. You know, I I don't wanna push my faith on them. I want them to come to that point that I came to Wendy day in college. You know, I grew up in a household my mother, you know, took me church and stuff all the times. I've always around it, but man, I I tell you thought I was in college. I was I was my first
year starting. And I was the big man on campus and everyone knew me I get home 1 night after f party, and I'm like, you, it's gotta be more into it than this. It's gotta be. And and I just remember just just hitting my knees. And I just prayed to God. I was like, man, if you're real, you gotta show... You gotta show yourself to me because if not, I'm about the bounce. You know, and and I woke up the next day and I felt that, you know, it it it was different. And and and... I've I've been...
I haven't been the same that. You know... Because I know he's there, and I know that I can overcome anything that I'm facing this world. You know, through my sources, and and my main sources him. So, I just wanted my kids to have that. I love that. And and the fact that you wanted them to find faith or spirituality or something to believe in on their own against Speaks volume, you don't want. Like, I think we sometimes feel like we need to impress everything and and almost
push. Not like, just push our ideas and values to them, but it's, like, you can show them through your actions. Right, and your words. But then also too, it's, like, they need to work and every aspect of their life, Like, you're there to guy, but they need to, like, follow their own path and the fact that especially when it comes to spirituality. My wife and I had the same thing with our daughters.
A few years back, where we're, like, whatever you believe in and we want you to believe in something, just so it'll help you, like, have a moral compass and a guide. Right? Yeah. Ever since then, they just kind of found their own way found their own, like, spirituality. And it's, like, our family's been helping the communities more and doing a lot more stuff, and you like, they sometimes are the catalyst for us doing something like, hey, Why don't we do this? And it's like, great. So it's
great... I I really love that. And the fact that you were about humility, learning to fail and it also faith. I think those 3 are so intertwined where sometimes if you do fail, Or if you do have success, you're not bragging you, like, I know that I... Other people have probably experienced the same things I have when I have failed. Right? And how do you get through
that through your faith or spirituality. So I feel like the 3 things you have right there all combined to make sure that, you know, you're teaching your kids, certain things that can make them prosper in life. Right? That's absolutely. You just you just wanted to... At the end of the day, be productive citizens. Yes. My my hair coaching college spiked decks. I don't forget he calls us up 1 day after practice. And it wasn't even about football. Here's about
being productive this. And and he just says, man, you're good for something or you good for nothing. You know, I it's like, it's like, this world has no place for good for other people. Yeah. Yeah. I do nothing to get that. You know I love that. So good. What is something that your kids have taught you either about yourself or about life that maybe you didn't know was there until you became a dad. Patience. I know that for sure. You know, you got go You gotta be you Gotta be patient with
them. Yeah. They don't always get it when you want them to. Oh. It'll probably hit me later, but But that's I think patience is a good thing. I think, like, that's 1 of the things that we learn that we... Sometimes in our twenties. Like you said, you know, back in college is like You think you have patience, but once you have kids, you're like, oh, my whole new level. Right?
You know what I I would say, definitely this way, you know, just unconditional love, you know, and you have to have that too because them they're different now. Yeah. They're different you they're different than each other, and and you gotta respect that and and give them that space. No doubt. 1 of the things I saw a recent interview when you got to, you know, the commanders they're are asking you just about how you coach and how you lead And you said, players don't care, and this really stuck
with me. Players don't care what you know. It's how how they perceive that you care about them. Right? And I think that can go hand in hand with, you know, raising kids. Talk a little bit of how coaching is similar to raising kids. No. This it it is because at the of the day, as and as a coach, and, I'm just trying to... I'm trying to get the best out of you. I'm I'm trying to push to a level that you can't take yourself. Yeah.
And, you know, and that's that's that's the primary goal and number, you, as x's and o's and the pros, but it's also you know, character building and team building and and respect humility and things like that as well. Because some these young man had come from backgrounds where they didn't have much of that. And look at you as a father figure. And you know, you have to be that for them. Whatever they need for you to be, You need to be that for them
to get the best out of them. And so that there awesome some per loves at. You know? Yeah. Love that. 1 more quest before I get talk about football and your foundation, dad hack or piece of advice you'd offer to new dads listening to this. What would you say? You know, I would I would say, you know, just just make sure you you give your kids what they need. You know, that that
their mother was very supportive. Mh. It's not that I didn't wanna be supportive it's just that she was so supportive that I had to be the 1 to make them uncomfortable. No, and I think you have to have that awareness and recognize that, and and it creates kind of a good good teamwork working in in parenting. Yes. So, you know, that's that's... I don't know They came in my mind. No, that... Then no. That's good because, again, you want
them. And and not saying that you weren't supporting your kids, but there was all things... Again, you saw maybe a bird's eye view. It's like, alright. They're getting so much support, but how do we how do we push them in a in a way that they can make sure that they're gonna be able to stain and once you kick him out of the nest, they'll be able to fly. Right? I mean, it it it was it was it was hard being that way too because alright, I don't know. They were talking to
a mama about things. They were talking to me about. Yep. Are really talking to him. You know, But and and I knew that was going on, But we were kinda playing a good cop bad road, and I... You know, unfortunately, I was had to be back up. But We both agree that it's very important that they'd be uncomfortable in that, you know, you know, we ever sand in my house that, you know, you can be uncomfortable with the good spirit, I'm comfortable with the good spirit and and you may grow.
But if you're uncomfortable with the grace spirit, you got a chance for great growth. Yeah. And that's all we really want, You know, for our kids. Love that. And, I think another great way you can leave your kids and lead by example, is by giving to others and and making a difference. Right? Again, like, are you being good, are you good for Doctor. Right? You and your family are being good? With your
Lin family Foundation. Talk a little bit about why you started that up and just, you know, just how people can help. You know, is it's the way I was raised. Or... I mean, I I was serviced has always been a big part of my family, you know, starting with my mom, and I was I was home 1 day, and I was watching Tv and a team in a mine at Texas tech, you, I won't say his name, but you gotten some trouble And he went to the Nfl, and he had just got out out of prison. He in prison for, like, 6 years.
And they were doing a special on him here in Dallas, Texas about what he was doing in his neighborhood now. And how he was giving back. And I was looking at this. Was like this man, Just out of prison, and I am an nfl head coach, and he's doing more for society than I'm doing. And I called him, and we talked a lot, you know, and and and I decided to talk the lin family foundation. I want
to do more, You know? And In football, we always have this excuse that, you know, we wanna eliminate all the distractions. We don't wanna do this. It's just gotta be x's the and straighten now. What, you know, I don't believe god put me here in this position in this space just for football. Yeah. And there's other things in life that we can do to help people and serve people and that's why we start the lin family
Foundation. Guys. And and and you did that because you wanted to help others, But I'm just curious too, like, sometimes when you take a break from the... Your passion in your livelihood and what your call to do, especially for you were coaching, do you feel that some in some ways, the foundation has kinda given you a new perspective on coaching, and your your your time in the Nfl, I know you played in college and all that and also in Nfl, but now you're
a coach. Like, do you feel like the foundation has kinda helped you in your coaching career. Because Oh, without doubt, my coaching already in my life. Mh. Of just the experiences that we've experienced working with people, you know, through the foundation, man. It's just you don't take much for granted. So you see some things that we've seen. Yeah. We we were the African and build the school over there with another friend of mine. And
my goodness. And I was so happy my kids with her with me because we go there to help them. And at the end of the day or they ended helping us. Yeah. Better better people and better service and, you know, it's just those life experiences definitely helped me and in my coach grind. Nice. And I... You know, going to Africa and going in a different place that you guys are touching. 1 of the things I love bringing athletes,
especially the Nfl locker room. Yeah. And any locker room, but just feel like when I talk to Athletes former or current or coaches. 1 of the things too is you get to see everybody from different walks of life and maybe you wouldn't have, a chance to interact with because of where you were, how you grew up, whatever. But I feel like the Nfl lock room is is super important in the sense up, like you get to learn from other people, other cultures, other ways of life and perspectives.
Talk a little bit about how you guys in a locker room form that bond. Because, you know, I know it sounds cliche. It's like, oh it's to brotherhood, but you guys especially Nfl, walk it, not just talk about walk it in the in the fact that you guys really wanna gel and bond, and, like, you see the best teams rise at the top
when they kinda like, connect and bond. Talk a little bit about how an Nfl team builds from the inside out in the sense of, like, the Locker room and then, like, that will lead to success. Man, You you hit, yeah, You hit on something there. An nfl locker room. Wow, we we we head all the time if if the world could function like A locker room, I think would be a better better
place. And and I believe that because I've seen and I've experienced you know, athletes from different backgrounds, different cultures come together, and, and b as 1, and and that's a process. It starts with the leadership at the head coach. But, you know, just going back to when I was in the sixth grade, man. I remember, we had a we had a new guy come on the team, big office line. I was happy because I just got moved the running back. You know? So... But this this joke
we call Sweep ride. He's the right going and and he looks over and he goes, who's the running back. I go. That would be me. He goes, I don't block for Nigga. Yeah. And I was like, what? And so right at the end and right there, I whipped this ass and I I'll let him know. This is my football team. Not yours. Yeah. Right you're gonna do whatever the hell that's he told to do. And you know, and and we didn't get along.
We didn't like each other, but we were playing a team 6 weeks later, saying something like that middle season. We playing a little around. And we had made a feel go. We're down about 2, no time left it's fourth and 2. We're gonna go line. We 6 grand. We're not making kill of those. So we're going for. And I remember he looked over at me, and he goes, run behind me. I promise you nobody touching. Let's just 6 weeks later. You know, this was this was a guy that we just fighting.
And now, you know, so it's something about that that locker room, football is such a challenging sport that it challenges you emotionally, mentally, physically, and it just mold guys and forced them together and and with a good coach and leadership, you get a lock of room flowing in 1 direction. That's powerful. Now we always talk about the river mentality. You take a body of water and that's dangerous. Body of water can destroy things. Homes and and and people
drowning and, you, in lines. But you get a body of water, moving in a narrow direction as river. And, no. That's now, that's something that's productive. Yeah between our society. And and that's what we try. To get everyone put it in 1 direction. You know, they're river mentality and and it takes... It doesn't happen, you know, early on, Like, right now in watched it. What we're trying to do is is rebuild that culture.
And, you know, it it just... It it takes some time, but with the right leadership, you get that thing flowing when you get there unstoppable, man. Yeah. The team I just came from San Francisco, unbelievable. Mh. Unbelievable, culture, and leadership. Yeah. I'm I'm a 9 fan grew up. I was, I I was born in South Bend Right around when Joe Montana was playing the plane for the Irish. So my... With, like, my my whole family was born in Buffalo except for me. You, everyone was Bill's
Santos. We're down too now, but what's yeah. And so, like, I followed my dad's lead and became a 9 fan. And it was just like, it was tough because, you know, watching, like, you know, you know this it's a business. And as as I get older, like, you know, you realize football is a business, like any other corporation or just entity. Right? And it's like, I'm here, like, okay. Is a duke or Deb going? Like, die is the heart and soul. But you could sometimes more healthier than
die? Like, do you get and I'm like, I'm, like, trying to ask you. I'm like, I don't wanna, like, have this question. Like, they're both awesome. So the stuff that, you know, coaches and, like, the upper management go through about, like, how do you keep that river flowing strong and direct and all that in 1 way, man. It it is crazy. And again, going back, I'm sorry had experienced that. At sixth grade. I can only imagine man, that those experiences
made me who I am today. It made me stronger or made me tell more aware. I I don't regret any of those experiences. I've had more than that, but you know, but this is, you no. That's just the world, you know? But just at sixth grade, you had that mentality being like, alright. I'm gonna follow this dude even like you said, like, 6 weeks you were, you know, fighting before. Obviously, you had to just think for what he said to you, but just the idea of, like,
you... The football mentality is like, alright. Said, I'm gonna go... Follows his way. There you go. So I love that. Going back with, you know, like I said, I have a passion for football. Eighties and nineties, man. Po jackson from Walter payton, Roger Craig, all those guys, man love that. And I I hate seeing 1 of my favorite positions in the end of nfl being like, yeah. It's nothing
Like, who meet, like, Yeah. You have C. You have a, like, you know, a couple other there, like, Derek Henry still a beast running at, you know, his age just considered, like, an old man now in the Nfl. Like, especially, you played the position and now with the commanders, you're taking over, the run corner position for them. You always see a media like, yeah. Like, running back, they really don't matter anymore. How much pain is that bring to you I be running back.
News. Such as such a. You know, It you try to win a bowl that way. Oh, those those teams does playing late in the year. They they didn't run the ball pretty well. But, no. It's just... And I I understand why people don't wanna... I I don't understand why people don't wanna pay them like they used to pay them, but I kinda do. You know, and and 1 of the reasons why because I sat there don't know, 15 years ago, a young
coach, and I'm watching the Carolina Panthers. That these 2 first round picks, you know, it's stored in Williams. And they just Just just killing people. You know, 1 guy come in is power. 1 guy come in and thunder, lightning, and you know, it's it's just a great compliment. And I said to myself. I I sat there in denver behind Trail Davis or hall fame. And and I know there were times and he was out there on the field.
When the backups could've have been in the game and maybe brought a little more juice. Because was tired. You know, he kicked catch ball. 03:54 times a year. And Know I thought, I'm gonna use a tandem backfill. From here on out. And that's all I've ever done. I use 2 and 3 feedbacks now. So now, you know, some people look at it like you have 2 or 3 guys doing 1 guy's job, Why should pay that 1 guy, you know, as much as you used
to pay him. You know, so that's that's some of the reason why people who are dev value and running back a little bit. But, you know, you just can't, man. When you you have 1 that's real deal. You you you you gotta gotta get them my team you gotta pay. You guys... That money game is sort pointed to your overall success. No doubt. Yeah. And I think the only person, like, but not the other person the people listening to what you said about, like, having a, you know, a couple of guys
run or fantasy football owners. Right? You're like, no. Right we got. Right? I know. I know. I don't. I get people yelling at be what Saying. You that C score. Are you gonna put in the go. It's funny how, like, just the idea of fantasy football is like, you could be a fan of, like, 1 team that I was your room for another team to score on your team like, what the hell's going on. Right?
1 more question before I finish off with the father quick 5 and again, especially, like, We're recording this on a Sunday morning before the, you know, Nfl season starts we're it and we're talking in. But, again, I appreciate you getting up to talk about this because I really think that my honest is gonna really appreciate your views on father and just your, you know, just your your story and just hearing, you know, about the family foundation
and talking about football. For you, I think, you know, I moved around a lot as a kid. And I realized, like, alright. I need to be more extroverted and I sometimes it'd be the clown or whatever just to kinda differentiate myself with the community that I got into and making friends and all that. Nfl, whether you're a player or coach, man. You're gonna be going from team to team
city to city and all that. How do you kinda make sure that you have the transition for you and your but also for you as the coach or, you know, back then as a player, just so you can, like... Is it different from each time between a player coach then also too, does it get any easier the more you do it? You know, yeah the more you do something it definitely gets easier, but it's not what that that lifestyle not for everybody. You have to be careful. You know, when I retired, C shana in
offering your a contract coaching contract. And when I retired. And so I went home and I said to my family I said you know, you you guys 1 guy had a construction company at the time. You want day to do construction and you own day staying in football and they all 3 including my wife at that time, ray, raise their
hands. Said, football. And so we stayed in football, and we we learned it real quickly that it's not for everyone because I I was divorced 3 years after that, you know, And and then that was hard, you know, being a sub supplement from my kids, but moving them around. I feel like it it didn't bother me, you know, because that's just my personality. Now I have friends all over the United States. Because I've been so places,
but it made my kids more resilient. Mh oh, and and they had to, you know, make new friends and and and and fit in and and and I thought it helped bill moving, but it... But it wasn't it wasn't something that, you know, my my partner at that time, my wife. It it it wasn't her cup of tea, and any cost problems. And, you know, and we left them good terms. But yeah. It's at coaching life, and, you know, well, nfl players are movies as much as
coaches, but at coach life. Is... You have to have the right woman to make that happen, you know, and especially with kids. In our school. And and then don't be selfish if kids is a junior or senior late stay. You know, you may have to live part for a while, You know, but that that happens a lot. You know, But it's... It can be challenging for families. But I thank you very much for sharing
that. I was just kinda curious because I mean, not just football can be for anything whether in the military, whether they have a job that they kinda moved around a lot, like, my dad did work like you said right there. Like, just wait until, like, they finish high school or finish that, you know, eighth grade or whatever and then move on or whatever because they're gonna be transitioning anyway. So so like, a new school in a new environment. So I really
appreciate that. And again, Coach, I really enjoy your views on father football and and the great work you're doing on your found we're gonna finish off for the father quick 5. Favorite family movie do you have 1? 0, well, that's that's the easy 1. That's gonna be a jurassic part. Nice. Love it. Well, my family, we have watched that movie together since 1. We've seen every school point. You know, there's thing to do. And and we have to leave we... At 1 point in time, we live in 3
different the states. We all met and we always with the movies to see jurassic Park. These are younger the adults now. I love it man nice. Alright. The favorite family song, is there a genre or an artist of, like, from a you know, music artists that you couldn't wait to share with your kids. Oh, I'm a big macro jackson fan. That was the first concert Ever went to. Okay. Cool. Here in New York city, I just went to the Michael Jackson musical yesterday. It was unbelievable.
So everyone in miles house, there they're are all Michael Jackson fans. We love we love his music. But we like all kinds. I mean, we listen to country, hip hop, R and b, Opera, everything, but that hard rock. I'm afraid hard. Ass rock just that didn't make the list, But we we let's do it all there. Love it nice. Describe the perfect family vacation, where would it be. Right now, I I have to say, we portable of order.
Okay. I know that we we have a place over there and we go much as we can, and and we just have a great relaxing time when we there. But I think my my best family vacation was when I was with the point honors as a player and the general B Denver Bro and there gonna pay for me to move out there. But, you know, all nfl teams do that, but I thought it'd be a great idea to move ourselves. I I feel like my family was starting to do their own thing, and
I wanted us to be together. And so we... I wouldn't even win a u haul. And Hired some guys to come motorola ball off furniture and stuff, and I characterized you hall for 3 days across the country to Denver. And we all stuck her together. And they ain't absolutely hated me the first day. Hated me. We we stopped in Tahoe. And we out love him have a great time in Tahoe holding on the legs, you know, but by the time we got to Utah. You know, it was pretty cool.
You right. Or or everybody, we went on tail the nerves anymore. And and and ended up being a good thing by the time we got to Denver. Oh, I love that. Yeah. You you get the chance to bind that... Yeah. You get over that. Have no choice. Go in your room, and you go no. We we got a bond. Yeah. Who's long this all in a cab but you all trucks. Nice. Favorite Nfl player when you were a kid was? Oh, that's Walt Payton. Nice. No. Is character. You know, the things he did on the
field off the field was just unbelievable. And just the way he played the games passion. It was nothing sweeteners can do. Yeah. But I think he was 1 of the first people. I'm a sneaker head, like, a big Jordan fan and all that, But, like, when he had the Kangaroo man. Like, those were sweet, like the know. I loved, mad. Nice. And lastly, top 3 words, you hope your kids would use to describe you as a dad, what would you want them to be? Oh, that's a tough 1. I'd have to say, you know, love.
Nice. I I hope I hope somewhere that they can find that dad love them. You know, and it was all about fear because It was so many times I felt like it was that way, but it really wasn't. There's everything was I love. And And I would say, top 3 things. Now treat people the way you wanna be treated. I've I feel like I've always tried to do that. You know, And, hopefully they...
You know that's something that you demonstrate not something that you can teach, And I, hopefully, hopefully they picked up on that. But Productive. Nice. You know? I'm big on that. You know, III I'm I wanna be productive. I want my kiss me be productive, and you know, in like, in service, you know, I I just... I feel good when I'm giving, and when Serving people. No doubt. Yeah. Great 3 words right there. People make sure you follow the Lin family
Foundation on Instagram at Lynn. Family foundation underscore, and then also go to their website at limit family foundation dot org. Again, I know it's a Sunday at your day like sleep in I really appreciate you taking the time. III know my audience is gonna really enjoy your views on father just your views on life and all that. I wish you know, obviously, you and your family the continued success Good luck this year with the with the commanders. But, again, thank you so much for
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