September 2, 1994: UFOs - John Lear

John Lear, airline captain and son of Learjet inventor Bill Lear, returns to Art Bell for a rare and wide-ranging conversation tracing the history of UFO encounters from the 1947 Roswell crash through four decades of government secrecy. Holding 18 world speed records and over 17,000 flight hours, Lear brings an aviator's credibility to claims most would dismiss outright.

Lear walks through a detailed timeline of recovered craft and alien bodies, from the 1948 Aztec recovery to the 1964 Holloman landing where extraterrestrials allegedly met with military officials. He describes the 1979 Dulce incident, a reported massacre of 44 scientists and 66 Delta Force soldiers during a confrontation with aliens at an underground base. Lear recounts witnessing a test flight of a recovered extraterrestrial craft near Groom Lake in 1989, arranged by government scientist Bob Lazar, and reveals that Jackie Gleason was shown alien bodies at Homestead Air Force Base by President Nixon.

Once an advocate for disclosure, Lear now argues the public should not know the full truth, suggesting the religious implications alone would cause societal breakdown.