October 25, 2001: Parapsychologist - Dr. Evelyn Paglini

Art Bell welcomes Dr. Evelyn Paglini, a self-described practitioner of natural and ceremonial magic, for a discussion on using the occult as both a spiritual defense and a tool against terrorism in the wake of 9/11. Paglini describes specific rituals involving white candles, shield of protection oil, and image candles that listeners can use to create what she calls an impenetrable spiritual dome around themselves, their loved ones, and the nation.

She introduces the "jumbo double action reverse candle," a ceremonial magic tool she says requires at least an hour of focused visualization to redirect hostile energy back toward its source. Art presses her on the nature of the power behind these practices, and Paglini maintains it originates from a neutral divine source that practitioners must direct responsibly. She recounts how a worldwide call to arms among occult practitioners helped combat Nazi Germany during World War II and claims a similar mobilization is now underway.

The conversation also touches on the mass consciousness experiments Art has conducted, with Paglini arguing that focused collective intention combined with ritual practice amplifies results dramatically. She warns that the forces behind the current terrorism have their own practitioners of ceremonial and ritualistic magic operating behind the scenes.