April 16, 1996: Bizarre Stories - Open Lines

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Eight of thirty five workers who were exposed to the Found three more infected monkeys today and they're now saying they may have to kill all of them. And they're considering a new law that would ban imports. Any monkeys from uh

So they got out front on this one quickly and said, No sweat. This is not the human form this time. Now there are two things to consider about this. One That they are correct, uh in all likelihood, and it is not the human form, but it keeps coming back again and again and again. And one of these days it is going to be As you may have seen in that sixty minutes piece, he said there was just this little tiny difference in the DNA.

Um the press is I'm rather astounded at the way a lot of the press has been covering this. I saw a talk show I think it was on CNN, one of the talkbacks or something, asking is Ted Kaczynski a Robin Hood? What? A Robin Hood? Can you see any aspect of this, uh uh what he did over all these years that you would describe as heroic?

Why is the American public so fascinated by this case? I mean there has been program after program after program The only defense mustered up so far I saw Jerry Spence again going at it. uh for mister Kaczynski would seem to be what uh Jerry Spence argues is a lethal legal blitz. In other words, an intentional uh campaign to leak evidence to the press against Kaczynski to indict him in effect in the press. That of course has been occurring and there have been a lot of leap.

Yeah.

I'd love to hear of some of the fears people have, and see if I could draw any parallels to my own. In other words, for me, a fear of spider wheels. Anybody have a particular fear, your greatest fear? What is your greatest fear?

Amazing. Thousands of knots of gas, kind of nobiles nobules of of gas, are racing away from what appears to be a dead and dying star. Like comets. All of these they almost look like uh from of course this distance, they look like sperm. They literally look like sperm. Tadpoles. But what are they really? We don't know. They look like comets, um, or if you can imagine that sort of a fiery tadpole.

Now the GIs are being court-martialed for refusing to obey a lawful order. And I imagine they're probably going to swing on that one. I mean you get ordered to do something in the military, you had better do it. But for us out here, uh the larger question would you give up a sample of your DNA to go into somebody's master file? I mean who knows what they'll be able to tell eventually from that DNA.

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Here's what you missed on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.

Here are the unfortunate choices. We attack Iran and any other country that we think could be a problem for us today and in the future. Or we try to work out friendly, peaceful solutions with everybody. And I'm trapped now because if we go the military route We are committed to doing it forever. On the other hand, can we truly create a peaceful planet? I don't know anymore.

Now we take you back to the night of april sixteenth, nineteen ninety six, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.

All right, we've got time. Let's squeeze in a call now. West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Good morning.

Alright.

Hi. Hi.

Yeah, I'm on Super Talk thirteen twenty, Casey.

Or why do you say that?

Oh I'm just a hometown proud, I guess.

Uh w oh oh I see, okay. Well indeed, you know they just went up on the internet.

I know it seems like calling a talk show like this has a lot more significance than it used to for some reason.

It d well it does. There's no question about it, it does.

I I just feel so empowered. It's hard to it's really an interesting feeling. Well I wanted to ask you first, could I suggest something for bump music that you play a lot?

All right.

Okay, if you have do you have a Stevie Ray Bond album called In Step?

I do not.

Or have you heard if you ever get a chance, the very last track it's called Rivers Paradise, it's a terrific instrumental

Okay?

And I wanna ask you something about a call you had a couple of weeks ago. I don't know where he was from, but this guy called and he said that He was an electrical engineer of some kind and he developed this saucer sized object.

Oh yes.

Yeah, you know I'm t and he could make it harbor and he said he could even operate by remote control and I'm wondering if he ever did follow up and send you that video kit.

Well I don't have the tape yet, but that doesn't mean it's not coming. It takes things a while to get here. Um and he had to make it. So Um I'll let you know soon. If it comes, uh believe me I'll let you know and you know that I'll make a still photograph out of it and uh we'll publish it and get it on the internet.

Hm, can I ask you one more thing? Sure. Have you had any calls yet from England?

Yeah, I had one last night from London.

Oh wow, I I I just love to hear hear that accent and they're so much like us and yet that accent is

Well this was an American at Heathrow. He was at Heathrow Airport when he called.

Oh so not a true Englishman then

Oh no. Just passing through.

You know, you can I can pick up K I think you have a station in Minneapolis. Now I'm in Utah, right but

KSTP.

I can pick them up all the way out here, it's amazing.

That's a big signal. Yes, sir. Uh it depends of course on conditions. Thank you very much for the call. On a night when radio conditions are favorable, why you can hear us just about anywhere, and that's why we have our new International eight hundred number. I'll tell you about that as we come back, which we will do in just a moment.

You're listening to Art Tell somewhere in time. Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A. M. from April sixteenth, nineteen.

You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time. Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April sixty. It makes sense.

Anybody out there outside uh of

A T and T USA direct number uh access number for your country. Whatever that is, and uh then eight hundred eight nine three zero nine zero three. Again And sometimes you can't get a direct access number, so just get the ATT operator on the line and ask her to dial eight hundred eight nine three zero nine zero three. From anywhere in the world. It's toll-free. That's amazing. And for Mike, uh, who asked me my greatest fear, I don't mind telling. It's always been of the earth opening up.

Hello? Hi. Hi, Art. Yes. Um couple of weeks ago you somebody uh called in about a line of that it to the poster Yeah.

You have!

Oh yeah.

Does it give you a secret little thrill to do it?

Yeah.

It does. Um pol let me pretend that I'm a pollster, all right? Mm-hmm. Um Hi there. Uh we're just inquiring uh today, uh thank you for answering the call, about whether your inclination is to vote for uh President Clinton or uh the uh uh apparent uh uh nominee for the Republican Party, Bob Dole.

Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely.

You're going to vote twice. Ha ha well that probably would cancel you from the survey.

Oh good. That way they don't keep calling back.

Uh well that's that's for damn sure. As a matter of fact, I I'm sure they take your number and put a little red uh line through it or something.

Right.

Well that's cool.

Nashville.

Nashville, Tennessee. Have you been surveyed frequently?

Uh no, not in the past uh five years.

Five to six years.

And maybe maybe you hit on the key to keep from getting surveyed.

Right.

Just lie your tail end off when they call.

That's right.

I like it. All right, thank you dear. Thank you. See you later. That's Nashville. There was somebody who suggested, just to screw them up, that we all begin totally lying to polsters. Whatever it is you intend, tell them the opposite. And a few years of that and polls will be totally discredited. The people at Gallup scratching their heads saying, My God, what have we done?

Yeah, aren't Yeah, I'm wondering about the Philadelphia experiment.

What do you wonder about?

I'm wondering, uh, if you have any information on how they made the the Eldridge disappear?

Well I've done a number of interviews on it, uh a lot of them with the prespi uh precise technical specifications of the equipment that was used. So yes, I I have an idea.

Hmm, where could I get more information about that?

Well, um I would say order the Al Belick program that we did. Yes, Al Belich was part of the Philadelphia experiment.

Okay. And you have any information on what happened to that tether thing we send up in space?

Yes. Oh what is it now folks? About three weeks ago.

Good morning, or this is Don in Mount Vernon, Washington, listening to a fifty kilowatt K WMO.

Oh, that's a big one. Hi, Don.

I got a couple of what if for you. What if some imbecile uh translated part of the Bible that dealt with heaven and earth and actually it should have been heavens and earth.

Well, any small slip or misinterpretation could have large meaning. But it it probably wouldn't matter because there's already controversy about nearly everything that was written.

Yeah. Well that's the whole point, is there's so many different ways to look Uh what if the weekly world news is actually subsidized by the government?

The weekly world news, if it's subsidized by the government, huh? Well, then the government would be doing to us what somebody suggested we do to the Polsters. A lot of people suspect that's what's being done anyway, right? East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.

Yeah, let me give him a radio.

Thank you.

Hi Art. Hello. Uh yeah, I was calling in in regards to the uh servicemen that uh

Refuse to yield up their DNA, yes.

Yeah, well, I I spent some time in the service and uh I just called in to say that I would wouldn't do it either.

You wouldn't.

No.

Uh, you would face a courts martial first, eh? Yes. Well in that case my suggestion to you would be don't join the service.

I was R. E. M for eight years.

I see.

They didn't require me to do anything like that, but just certain things uh I don't know, I just think are stepping over the line. Well, especially what can be done with it. The question is is not whether or not you know it

I was thinking the following if they can determine, for example, a predisposition to aggressive tendencies and violence, Um out here uh in the civilian world, that would be considered a negative. But in the military. Why, you might find people with a predisposition to being violent. uh would be promoted faster than others.

Yeah. Mm. Hey, um I had another question about something. All right. The other night um Uh I think you mentioned something about um a girl sent you a fax in regards to that comet hitting uh one of Mars's moons. Yeah, so I tried all night to get in touch with you. I was I was trying to call in for the very same reason. I I remember that mentioning that comment.

Well, I'm going to get hold of him soon, but Gordon Michael Scallion has made a prediction that Phobos, the moon of Mars, one of the moons of Mars. will uh break from its orbit, which is in fact fairly tenuous uh tenuously tied to Mars, and head toward Earth's atmosphere. That would not be good.

No, what you ever heard of you ever uh read any of uh Uh literature on Nostradamus.

¿Oyes?

Um, didn't he make some predictions about um Something in the Indian Ocean. Um a c a comet or an a large asteroid and an explosion in the Indi Indian Ocean.

Um I'm not really sure. That's one I'm not familiar with.

Uh it's been a long time, about uh say about eight years ago I read two books. And uh some of the uh books were contradictory to each other though. The uh it's uh some of it I guess they called'em quadrange.

Yes.

Yeah, they grew up

They're like everything else, subject to interpretation.

Yeah, confusing.

Yes, very confusing.

It's beginning to feel a little bit like uh uh living in Israel in this country. Uh in Israel people have to worry constantly about uh uh Katusha rockets. They've got to worry about people who s um you know, strap explosives to themselves and set it off suicide bombers. And we're not far from that here. Uh so if something else occurs on April nineteenth, it's going to begin to mark this day as a day for terror in the US. East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hi.

Yes, hi, all right. I'm Claw from Port Wayne, Indiana.

Yes, sir.

Love your show.

Thank you.

Hey, um I was gonna ask you as uh I d haven't heard you mention this. Uh I heard there was like this big power outage in your part of the country. Yes. And it's like uh on the news I heard they said, Well it's like around Roswell and I was wondering, did you hear what a what the cause for this was possibly?

Um yes, there was something involving a large substation.

Uh uh.

Um

Okay.

Yeah, I I sure heard a big silence on the other end of the line.

I kinda pausing to think there.

Yeah no, I just threw that in.

Well, can't you have

Total lie. It's I you know it's like your upholster.

Yeah, well it's just weird. They just said, uh, well yeah, it just went out all of a sudden and then it came back on and I thought, Well, it's getting kinda close to Arts territory out there.

Yeah well it's Amarillo, Texas, uh is where it occurred. And we're on the air there in Amarillo, so uh thank you very much. Let's see if we can get a call from Amarillo. Yes, there is a report about a gigantic uh power outage. I thought I would throw the saucer in for effect.

Now we take you back to the night of April 16th, 1996, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.

First time caller line, you're on the air.

Uh hiart. Hi. Uh I was uh reading through a Newsweek article on the unit bomber and I just kinda came across something kind I thought was kind of amusing. Yeah. See they they want to try him in California or uh New Jersey where he can get the death penalty.

All right.

I don't know. think they probably do have their guy but uh Geez, as far as seeking the death penalty for somebody like this, um

Why not? What what l let's look at when the death penalty should be applied. It should be applied uh when you have murder with malice and forethought. Uh uh. When it is premeditated. And if there ever was a case of premeditated murder. It is what the unibomber did. I'm not saying Kaczynski because he is not convicted, but should he be, that is the clearest case of premeditated murder I've ever seen.

Um

Cold blooded too.

You you've probably um heard this, um and w why do we um give people the death penalty? Why do we kill'em? To prove one thing. The killing people is wrong.

No, that isn't why we have the death penalty.

That's kind of the way it ends up looking to me.

Uh we have it to prove that killing people is wrong. Uh no I don't think so. I think we have it for a sense of justice.

I don't know, it just comes across to me as being a mixed man.

All right, well I I thank you for your call. I've thought long and deeply about the death penalty. And it seems to me that if under those conditions you take life, then it is appropriate that your life be taken. I'd rather live. under most circumstances. Wouldn't you? I've said this before, uh a life in jail, not perfect, but always at least the hope of escape, the hope of um somebody letting you out when you get old and grey. And between now and then at least you have a life. Watch TV.

I suppose there are some who want to die, you know, they've done something and they want to die. Generally, as a matter of fact, those are about the only ones to which we apply the death penalty. Those who refuse to go through the long series of appeals and all the rest of it. West of the Rockies, you're on the air.

Far out.

Yeah, far out, way far out, all over the world.

Hard. Hey, this is Jerry from Bakersville.

Yes.

Yes, um I've been trying real hard s uh the last couple of days and I haven't got a chance to hear that uh Bigfoot facts you've been talking about.

Well, I hate to read it again. I've gone over it so many times now. Uh it is a man who believes he shot Bigfoot, would be willing to tell us where it is buried. Actually two of them. Um but he wants uh before he'll do it uh money for his defense, should he be charged with murder.

Well sounds pretty interesting. Are you gonna play it again sometime in the future here? Maybe on Dreamline next week? Correct. All right. Well great.

Thanks for it. Thank you. Uh my feeling is he may only listen to Dreamland. Not everybody uh can go for all night talk radio, so You know, I I don't even know where this occurred. There's no hint of it in the fact. And I have no way of knowing what time zone. He may be eastern. That would make it uh three hours. Wait a minute. Maybe he did say in the fact that it's not a good thing.

Hello. Is this R Bellshow?

Good guess.

Oh Um, I just have uh one comment on the two Marines that were court martialed.

Are being court martialed, yes.

On being court martialed, they were found guilty.

Uh well I don't have that information. Okay, well of course they did disobey a lawful order, so I expected that.

They were uh sentenced to one week uh restriction on base and a letter of reprobation.

Hm. Well that's not so bad.

No, but my question is do they still have to submit their sample?

Um I don't know. Maybe uh they will be again issued a lawful order to do so and uh they'll face a more serious penalty if they don't obey the second time. I can't imagine the military would just drop it and I would imagine ultimately that if they don't yield up the sample requested, that uh they will simply be um for the convenience of the military. Uh given their walking papers. Wild card line, you're on the air. Good morning.

Uh, good morning, Mr. Bell. You got the word answer for night. Do you out here in Portland, Oregon?

Yes, sir.

Um I'd first like to tell everybody it's pronounced Oregon, not Oregon. Uh kinda getting sick of that. But uh listen to to relay that fact. Um I think it might be trash. Uh it's kinda hard to shoot something at nighttime at a hundred yards unless you have open sight.

Well now wait a minute. This was uh the next day.

Well at first he shot it at night but it's not a good thing.

That that is correct.

They were spotlighting deer. Yeah. And so I figure not that I've ever spotlighted deer, but I have night hunted that he probably Um we turn that down a second, sorry about that. But he probably is kidding because unless they have open sa uh you know, open sights on the rifle and not a scope, it's gonna be pretty hard to pick something out.

Well I don't know how um how tall the thicket was, uh, because the female Yeah. Yeah, so maybe she stood up above it when she you stood up, he said he shot, and she stood up at that point.

Okay, that c that could be we'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I know, I know, I'm saying,

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, it's just an interesting fact, but I I got no uh response today, so I think the odds are pretty good that whoever this is listens on Sunday.

Well uh I got my own business so I'll uh kick in I live out here in Portland, I can get a hold of the Bigfoot Research Center and I'm I'll kick in a ground there. Somebody w you know I'll I'll challenge anybody out there to uh kick in some money so we can go ahead and prove this once or for all.

Well, they are already offering, based tentatively on some confirmation of what's in here, uh, to help this person out. So You know, if that was his requirement then uh we have met it and so w we'll see what happens.

Okay. Well duh keep up good work, Mr. Bell and

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right. İzlediğiniz için teşekkür ederim. I really do understand why this person would feel that way, and it's one of the aspects that made me lean toward believing the fact. was that uh he would have a natural fear of being charged with murder. The only part of it that doesn't make any sense to me is if this was a biped creature walking on two feet at a hundred yards in bad lighting, why would you shoot at anything on two feet?

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Once again, here I am. Well folks, you're not gonna believe this.

I have on the phone.

About Bigfoot. He's on the phone with me. Yeah. I'm going to read it. read the facts. Uh and then we're gonna go and say a c couple of words to this man. And I am dying as you are of curiosity. Dear Art Bell, I know where two Bigfoots are buried. In nineteen seventy-three, two friends and myself were out hunting at night using spotlights. In an open field. He was about a hundred yards away. Two of us shot and dropped him. He got up, we fired again.

You're welcome.

I was afraid that uh you only listened on Sunday evenings. And um that you wouldn't be up this late.

Well, I was already asleep. My wife was listening to you and she woke me up.

Woke woke you up, eh? Um all right. Um there's a lot of confusion. People misheard the fact. Some people thought it was fifty yards in that you crawled. It wasn't. It was about, according to the facts, fifty feet, correct? Right.

this this thicket was oh I would say about uh fifty feet wide by a hundred hundred and fifty feet long. It was uh in a draw. And it you could not see down into it, but uh you There was no leaves so you could see what was in front of you.

All right, let me take you back uh before this if I can. Uh the only part and you may have heard me or your wife may have heard me mention this. That I had a hard time was uh with was that uh the shot the first shots that were taken apparently were taken uh at night from about a hundred yards. Right. And I take it what you had in your sights uh was a biped of some sort up on uh up on two legs, right?

Right, right. Uh well when we first seen what it was, we seen the eyes, it was basically reddish. At first we thought it could be a deer. Uh the eyes were similar. And as we got closer, uh it was probably I I assumed it was in a crouch or kneeling position. And when we as we got closer we came we came around a bend in the road that went into this flat area that run alongside the river.

Wow.

Wait.

Back in nineteen seventy three we did this basically professionally because we were hunting coats, bobcats, uh coons, that sort of thing. Because they were bringing a lot of money.

I've got you.

And uh as we come around, like I said, when the lights first hit it, we thought that it was a deer with the eye. And as we got closer we could see it was something crouched and we s when we stopped the pickup it stood up.

All right, so uh at first it was crouched, uh, down on all four.

I wouldn't I wouldn't say it was on all four.

Or you mean kind of crouch down like you uh

Mailing or something.

Right, I've gotcha. I've gotcha. Mm-hmm. And uh so then uh as you got closer it reared up, it it got up.

Right. And...

How much detail could you make out of this thing?

Uh I mean there was no doubt in our mind, Birdog and myself both knew immediately uh what it was that uh it was a Bigfoot because uh the hair, the outline, the human form But uh it was so hard to the excitement, the adrenaline at that point was pumping like you wouldn't believe.

No, I believe it.

And uh I I laid my rifle out my window and he come across the top of the cab with his. And uh We both fired simultaneously. I mean that's the way we did it when we hit coats. Whichever one decide, one of us fired out the For out the driver's side or the w the window and the other one come across the cab and we both fire. And we fired instantly. He was using a three hundred uh weather bleach.

Okay, I'm not an expert uh with guns. I know something about them, but I take it uh these are um uh of a caliber um and um velocity that would bring down any normal animal. Right.

three hundred bring anything down in the northern United States and North America. The two forty three, no, it's not. It's more of a varmint weapon.

All right.

But the three hundred I mean, you could probably bring down an elephant with it. It's probably the most h powerful uh rifle there is uh in this part of the world outside of an elephant gun. And uh The animal got up, stood on his hind feet Started to run away from us and we fired again and again. It was just like something pushed him down. We knocked him down. And uh again we thought he wasn't gonna get up. And we opened our doors. I did and stepped outside and and Bird Dog come around the front.

Now this was all at about what time of night?

I would say probably about two thirty.

Two thirty in the morning. All right. Mm-hmm. Uh so that was at the end of what occurred that night.

Right. We didn't uh we uh we didn't do any more uh looking for him that night because, you know, this thing is bigger than both of us put together nearly.

Yeah, I wouldn't go in there.

And uh We knew that he was hit and we knew that he was hit bad. And so

You figured he wouldn't go very far.

No, he he's not gonna go very far. So he's been hit at least three times. by or for by both weapons, he's not going very far.

Right. And he didn't you came back uh when the next day, roughly?

Oh, we actually we didn't even go to sleep. We just kinda drove around until sunlight.

I see.

And I would say probably oh seven thirty, eight We arrived back over there. We picked up the blood trail. Uh Bird Dog was a was a tracker in in Vietnam. It was very easy for him to follow the trail. And uh we went down oh I imagine about a half a mile, something like that. Mm. Come up on a thicket. And uh When we went in after it.

All right. You're the guy you flipped a coin to see who would go in odd man out, right?

Yeah, I never was very lucky.

So in you go with the forty four magnum. And you got about fifty feet in and found what?

Well, as I was going in, I was scared to be honest with you, but I dis you know, I never suspected two of Uh, I got in. Yeah. The sound that this thing made as it come up at me.

What was that sound? You've heard me play, I assume though.

Nothing like what you plot.

Nothing like what I play.

Nothing like more of a screen.

I'm screaming.

I mean, a woman can't scream the squealing sound the way this thing screamed. And uh It just I mean, it just put chills down your spine. But I seen it move, I seen it coming toward me, and z it was on all fours coming toward me. And I fired. The forty-four, I'm shooting a two hundred and forty grain hollow point with an overcharge. Literally knocked that thing back about three or four feet. It got up and it come after me again. And I fired again.

Alright, I take it the thicket was low enough so that when this creature stood up all the way it was standing high enough so they could get a shot at it.

Right, right. They're probably a plum thicket, I imagine probably five, six foot tall. And uh something to that extent. Well it dropped and didn't make no more sounds and I got closer and I thought it wasn't breathing so it was it I knew it was gone. And about another probably ten foot on the other side of it I seen the other one land.

It took all three of us to drag'em out. They were that heavy. And then when we examined, we got scared. Because the the organs, everything, it was just like a human body with hair on it.

Oh, that was gonna be my question.

Right. Had uh kind of a brownish red hair.

Brownish red. And uh you estimated the weight I think the uh the male about three hundred and fifty pounds, the female about three hundred, huh?

Something in that neighborhood.

And both of them over seven feet.

All right.

I can promise you that they were at at least seven foot tall. They could have even been taller.

No clothing.

No clothing.

Um the head looking half human.

Uh I don't know how to really explain it. The it had a nose similar to a human's nose, but the mouth similar to an ape. The eyes, uh half half human, half ap looking. It had a large uh protruding type forehead. Whereas ours is you know, kinda comes almost down on your eyes. This one hung probably half an inch or so out more so than than ours would. A short neck. Probably if I remember right, maybe three inches.

That's not much of a name.

I tell you the best way to describe the way they look from the back side, you see weight lifters where they don't have a no no neck and it just goes all up into muscles.

No like a no necked NFL player. Um well look I can imagine your fear. I mean, what did you guys do when you finally got the bodies? You dragged'em out, you looked at'em. What was the conversation uh like?

Well, we started that talking about what are we gonna do? Should we notify somebody or should we bury these suckers or or what?

Right.

And uh we finally come to the conclusion that uh we might go to prison. And so we decided, hey, let's put these suckers in the hole. And then covered it where nobody'd ever know that'd been buried there.

All right, well I'm not an attorney, but from what you've told me You didn't commit murder. I mean you were hunting. And clearly I I think if your description is even close to accurate, uh you did not kill what we think of as human beings. Uh let let me ask you to stay put for just a minute. I've got commercial things I must do and um So without identifying the person, other than to say this is Bugs, we'll be back in just one month.

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Now we take you back to the night of april sixteenth, nineteen ninety-six, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.

Back now to somebody identified only as Bugs. All right, Bugs. So you guys you sat around, you talked about it, you figured look, we could get charged with something. Um so um let's bury our mistake I guess or bury our did you d did you consider it a mistake at that point?

I don't know what I considered it. I just uh Being cautious uh is more than anything. Uh we didn't know What would happen? Or what would go on and it was just better that we just bury it. We took uh photographs.

Oh that's the other question. You took it says your ten Polaroid photographs. Right. Do you have those?

I don't have my three. They burned when my house burned in nineteen seventy nine. My friends still have theirs.

All right.

Uh they're seven they still seven photographs out there somewhere.

Uh huh. Uh here's so you you you feel you could return to the area, the site where these um creatures are buried.

I know exactly where they're buried.

Uh your only request is that you would have assistance if uh it came to legal trouble, is that correct?

Well, I don't want to go to jail.

Well, it's been a long time. You're coming forward now. What made you decide to come forward?

I'd never told no one except my wife and I told her about this probably a year and a half, two years ago. I guess the basic reason I used to own every kind of weapon there was. Mhm. Being an ex Marine, you know, um what the heck. Uh but after that happened, I don't even own a weapon anymore.

That makes sense.

And I just... I don't know, I was listening to y'all talking the other night and everybody was kinda Laughing about, you know, Bigfoot. Hey it's real, buddy.

All right, look, here's what I propose to do. I will uh with your permission um

Amen.

Uh get you a telephone number that you can call if you want to. Now I'm I'm the only one who knows how to get hold of you right now. And I'll keep it that way, I promise. What I will do is I'll contact the people at the Bigfoot Project. And uh if If if the if you want to proceed, I will then give you their number and you can call them and take it a step at a time with them. How does that sound?

Well that sounds fine, but I tell you I still have to talk to my other two friends. Uh they no longer live here. One of them uh Well they let's put it this way, if I told you where

Yeah, don't don't don't tell me. Um

But they they no longer live in this town.

Well if you know how to contact them, why don't you go ahead and do that and uh see if they feel the same way you do or not. And we'll proceed from there, Bugs.

It'll just ha it'll have to be unanimous with all all of us. Uh all three of us will have to agree to it.

I understand. I look I appreciate your coming forward. I'm sure you'll hear some comment about it and uh I appreciate your telling the story, so all I can tell you is I will I will protect you.

I will tell you this much art, the day I die, I will have a map where it's at.

Well maybe we'd be

I'm fifty one years old now. So it's not gonna last forever.

Right sir. I I've got to take off. Thank you very much, Bug.

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Here I go again, right in the middle of the day.

Talk to somebody during the break who knows about the

And um he said what you just heard was a real McCoy.

Significant shooter. I've done a fair amount of it, but I don't hunt.

Ever since I killed a squirrel when I was very young. But I think what you just heard was real. I thought the facts was real and I thought what you just heard was real.

Zal proceed exactly as I said I would. I I don't know. What do you guys think? There are many of you out there I know who are far more familiar with uh hunter. And you listen to the story as I

What have we got on our hands here? How would you proceed?

Uh incidentally while we're on the Uh talk radio.

I think it's probably Associated Press. And I'll read it to you as is. A man has been arrested for allegedly threatening radio personality, Howard Stern. Police in New York say Samuel it's C A L L E A of Buffalo, Buffalo, New York, was waiting when Stern arrived this morning to do his radio program. He allegedly shouted, Quote, I'm going to kick your ass.

Yeah, hi Art. This is Mark in Seattle.

Hi Mark.

I had a question for you about your uh Cusco bumper music. Yes. There's a piece you've been playing for uh about the last two and a half years I've been listening to you and uh it starts out with a pounding drum beat and it's not the one that was just on. And I was wondering.

Oh, yes, uh-huh.

If you could tell me what the name of that one was.

Africa. Pardon me. It's called Africa.

Africa. And which of the albums is that on?

Um, I can't remember.

Okay.

Uh but it's called Africa, so obviously if you go into a music store and look through the albums, that's what you look for.

Okay.

All right. Thank you, sir. Uh it might B uh ProMac two. That's just a kind of an off the hip guess. West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.

Hi, this is Ron in Montana.

Hello Ron.

I got a couple questions.

Yes, sir.

Why my understanding on this guy with the Bigfoot issue is they were out at two o'clock in the morning and when they first saw this, why are they hunting at two o'clock in the morning?

Well, uh, they were hunting for money. Oh. Uh they were actually out killing for money. Um If you listen, did you listen?

I was getting bits and pieces of

Okay. Oh I see, I see. Um how did the tone of the uh Story sound to you uh

Well, it sounded realistic. Um I guess I'm just concerned uh with the the responsibility of these hunters. Uh shooting at something that they haven't identified uh kind of gives sportsmen a bad name.

Well, uh, if you were out in the woods and you saw something down on its haunches and it was gigantic and hairy, I guess based on that much, I mean that's not a human being uh in your estimation, so You know, I I don't know what to think here, and I'm not sure how to proceed, but it sounds to me like they may have shot two Bigfoot.

Well that's the impression I got. I guess I just don't see it as very being very s responsible sportsmen out there shooting at something that you don't haven't identified. It didn't sound like it was being a threat to them at the time.

Well uh look uh a lot a lot of sportsmen yeah but sir, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. A lot of sportsmen take down uh game that is not a threat to them. Uh-huh. That's Yeah. Fine. Um not responsible. Uh maybe not, I don't know. But um I would think that if you saw something that was fully hairy Uh that your presumption without clothes, you would uh your s presumption certainly would be that it was not a human being.

Hi, Art.

Hello.

Um, I was listening to the story about the guy with the b uh that uh supposedly shot Bigfoot. Yeah. And um I do believe them because uh My father used to travel a lot, uh, he was a truck driver and he had told me one time that he uh thought there was an animal on the side of the road which he thought was a deer that was crouched down. He seen the uh eyes, you know, like a deer you w with a headlights would hit the eyes.

Sure.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know. The story just unfolded correctly, I thought. I th you know, I'm not a hunter, so I can't judge that aspect of that.

something like that that was close to human, half human and and reasonably half ape, you would probably be react the same way they did too. I would think I'd be scared to death. I'd probably bury the thing too.

I know that's what I said the other night.

Then coming forward he has to prove himself now.

Well, no, that's all. No, that's right. Thank you uh very much for the call. That's uh that's exactly right. And I might have done the same thing. And I might have t taken the shot too. I I don't know. I'm not a hunter. I guess I wouldn't have because I wouldn't be out there hunting. But I don't know. To me the story had, you know, lame in me, it had the ring of truth to it. Now what I would like to hear from is some hunters. I mean you guys speak the language.

Sure does make me feel in the middle of this. East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.

Hello? Hello?

Who are you expecting?

Our Bill? Hey, how are you doing?

I'm doing fine. Turn your radio off.

I already turned it off, sir. I I I'd never believe I would get on the air. Well I've been listening to your show for like about six months and I think you're a real good uh Uh announcer. Uh about the Bigfoot. Are you guys still talking about that?

Uh whatever you want, sir.

Oh, okay, uh well I I believe that guy compared to that other guy that talked about um that story about uh UFOs.

I be I beg your pardon?

I'm a little bit excited though.

Call toll free one eight hundred six one eight eight two five five. No no no no. You're not allowed to use your last name on the air. So I I just had to take all that out. Uh so let's let's start again. Your name is Joe?

Yeah.

All right, Joe. That's all we need is just your first name. Anyway, uh you listened to the story that man told, didn't you?

Yep.

And

Well, I think it's 100% believable.

You do, huh?

Yeah.

Have you ever done any hunting?

Uh No, but I got a friend that does and I'm gonna tell him about it. I'm gonna tell him about it uh tomorrow.

All right. All right. Thank you very much. I'll we'll look forward to that. I want to hear from some hunters. That's that's uh one of the only ways I can uh uh quantify this story. I I'm just a layperson in this area, and to me it sounded legit. But um but I'd like to hear from some hunters. Uh west of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.

Hello. My name's Pa.

Hi, Paul.

And I'd like to Read you something here.

Read me s please don't. Um what what is a concern?

Oh i well it's um civil rights.

Civil rights? Yeah.

Well it's kinda like uh well it's a law that enforces our civil rights.

It's a law that enforces our civil rights. Why would you want to read this to it?

Well let the people know that they have right to enforce l a law that will keep people from taking their civil rights.

A law that will uh well I thought that was the um uh the bill of um The Bill of Right.

Well true, but this is um this is out of uh the law books Crime and Punishment.

Well thank you very much. But we don't uh we don't read on the air. If you want to have a discussion about something you're welcome to do it, but I have found generally Oh, when people read on the air it just doesn't work out. I think most people are aware of what rights they have. As a matter of fact, uh people are very aware of the rights they have, not so aware of the responsibilities that should come with them. First time caller line, you're on the air. I'm okay.

We've got a little complaint here. I don't think you was on Sunday night here. I'm in Seattle. This is Jim.

Well Jim, when they have sports um uh or something else, it offsets it. So that happened

It was on here, but it was the record uh rerun.

A rerun of what?

Of of one of your old shows. Plus you're on two stations at the same time. It's real confusing.

We know. We're on uh KVI and uh comb Yeah. Well at one o'clock in the morning during the week we switch over to uh Como

Uh I think you start at eleven o'clock on both channels, don't you?

On well, maybe that's right. No, maybe they have changed that. Uh I'm not exactly sure. Uh thank you very much. No, I I think it was live. When we are live, uh they carry us live, and then of course on the weekends uh there are some repeats. Um West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello. Yes.

Thoroughly enjoyed your book.

I beg your pro Oh you m my book, you liked it, huh? Good, I'm glad.

It's the new mo it's the new mother nature she's taken over.

What's the new mother nature?

The one that's gonna get us off.

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a long time for that.

The end of the line?

We got a long time for that.

Oh, good.

We're all worrying for nothing.

All right, thank you. Strange. First time caller line, you're on the air. Hello.

Hello?

Mark? Yes?

Oh, sorry about that. Uh just wanted to call about this Bigfoot.

What do you think?

Well I have a hard time believing. I have to agree with the It it was given sportsmen a bad name shooting what they weren't sure they were at.

Yeah but but but but but that is not the issue. The issue is whether or not

Well I mean that's that's what's putting doubt in my mind that these all are the hunters they claim to be. I don't believe they would have shot something without identifying it first. So that throws

But wa but but wait a minute now. He s he did identify it to the degree that it was in a crouch. It had a totally hairy body and didn't look fully human. Now That's that that's uh pretty animal like. I came into the story. Oh, I see. So you didn't hear it.

Yeah, if you could maybe clarify one I I heard the last part of his call.

Oh, all right. Well uh then thank you for the call, but obviously you're not going to be able to uh uh reasonably comment on it. I I I swear I'd play it I'd play it back uh if I have the ability to do that. I should have recorded it so I could do exactly that.

Well, we do have it of course at the network and it could be played back from there, but not tonight as the recording continues. East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.

Hi. This is Mike from Flint.

Yes, sir.

Um yeah, I was uh Oh I'm gonna reserve comment on the Bigfoot thing'til I hear a little more little more. But uh I I was calling this is kind of a strange story that I read in one of the Uh actually one of the tabloids, but it was such it was sort of off the wall that it i there is an element of truth to it I think because it involves uh Sixties rock band Iron Butterfly.

Sort of

wizard, you know, and uh evidently just a couple of years ago I I mean I guess he made a quite a decent amount of money. Couple of years ago, according to this article, he uh came upon some worked out some sort of program uh on this computer some sort of big deal. They didn't really explain it too well. I'm hoping maybe somebody out there will know, but uh

A victim of his own new calculations, perhaps?

Possibly. Uh he li uh evidently he left a message on his phone machine uh

Hmm.

saying that he was gonna kill himself. But so maybe or

But nobody's not going to be able to do Nobody has found the body.

What's that?

Yeah.

No, they they uh it's uh Yeah, well like I said, he may have even just came up not missing anymore. I was wondering maybe somebody out there knows a little more about this than I.

All right, weird story. We'll uh check it out with some others. Thank you. I have no idea. Interesting concept faster than light communications. accomplished with something that communicates uh roughly at the speed of light or just below it.

I wonder if there would be a way to accomplish that through computation. Not as wild as you might imagine. East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.

Oh, good morning. This is Skye in New Orleans.

Hello, Sky.

Yes, I'm going to call for input for bugs. Uh I b I find it more believable than not. Uh by what margin, I'm not sure. And I'll tell you why I won. I myself am a hunter.

Yeah, I know. It hit me that way too.

There's something else that also, you know, if I don't know if you can allow the time for this. I've tried to get through before with your Halloween show or uh Truth or Trash. But a related story is I don't know if you've ever heard of the uh Falk Monster. Or the honeyoland swamp monster down in this area?

No, I haven't. I'll tell you what though. I will uh put you on hold, all right? Okay. And uh you're gonna have to sit for a while, just relax. Let me do a little work here and uh we'll get to those stories.

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All right, monsters. Now this this came from a uh a tabloid of some kind.

Uh, no, not a tabloid. No. Uh there's uh long time uh been floating around stories about uh what is called the honey allen swamp monster.

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Oh I'm sorry, I did turn it back on during the

We're gonna turn it off. Right, what is this monster?

Uh there's been uh numerous reportings, uh which is basically a uh Bigfoot type creature. uh with a incredibly foul stench. And the Honey Island uh swamp is right along the border of uh Louisiana Mississippi area uh in the Pearl River area. And like I said, for several, several years you hear different stories coming through about people, you know, hunters, uh, trappers, uh, people out crawfishing or what have you, uh, coming across uh

Yeah, there there have been so many reports that I am fairly convinced there is something out there. This man's story that I heard a little while ago. What did you think of it, sir?

Uh well like I say, if I had the uh guest I would say, you know sixty percent you know, maybe a little better more believable than uh not.

Then not. All right. I I would agree with that. Thank you uh very, very much for the call, and that's I guess my assessment too. About sixty percent or a little better. In other words, I lean toward believing it. Amazing as it is. Well, I'm really glad he called. I'm glad that you all got to hear it. I don't know that I'm glad I'm in the middle of this right now, because I think I believe it. We'll be right back.

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Well, yeah.

The man who sent me the facts on Sunday about shooting of big Uh contacted me tonight by fax. And I put'em on the air. twelve midnight Pacific time until twelve thirty. He told the story on the air. In uh significant But uh I've also talked to a couple of hunters who say no he was exactly right. And I've got a number of faxes here. This was a significant occurrence and um it's kinda put me in the middle here. From Bob, I won't give the last name, a retired Border Patrol supervisor.

I are this is the Italian stallion. Boy. Is it raining down there?

No, it's uh it the wind is screaming.

Boy I I I just hate to say you're just so wet tonight on this story and these people that are so naive. I mean, you're talking to a person that has a dream to have an expedition and go hunt Bigfoot and write books and stuff and right now I don't have the funds but I can tell you this much. Okay the guy knew a lot

Well that's what they had there I guess. I mean they were hunting they were hunting various game if you heard his explanation for uh uh for profit. And so that happened to be what they had on hand. I don't find that uh I don't find it unusual that there would be uh different caliber weapons on hand, frankly. Uh wildcard line, you're on the air. Good morning.

Yeah, yeah. I I tuned in after the show was on, uh to about uh twelve forty was when I tuned in, but I had an experience up in Northern California with a friend of I we're uh we're headed uh up uh to Reno and I about Bigfoot and I was wondered if you might be interested in hearing it. And uh

Well briefly, yeah sure.

Okay, well we were uh on our way to Reno, we're up by Mount Chasta, about uh twenty five miles out in the woods. By the way I contacted Ray Crow and told him my story and he believed me. And uh we stopped to rest and uh we got up and started uh walking around looking around in in the forest and stuff and uh there's a uh like an old fence up there. We saw a long strand of hairs probably two feet long.

Well, what did you think oh, you say you didn't hear the story.

I didn't get a chance to hear that.

Yeah, that's really a shame. All right. Well what we may do is uh We'll pull that uh we'll pull that half hour. Um in the morning after the program. And uh prep it and perhaps repeat it for you uh tomorrow night. Somewhere uh in this hour. So I can be sure that everybody has heard it. I think that um what you heard was a significant occurrence. That's my take on it.

Yeah, I guess we missed him. Uh first time caller line, you're on the air. Hello.

Yeah, this is Herb from Melchina, Alaska.

Boy, all of a sudden Alaska's in here hot and heavy. Yes, sir.

Well, you know, I've been listening to this uh thing on Bigfoot all night and it's really intriguing and uh Uh I'm a retired big game hunting guide and lived in Alaska a long time and uh I find a few things wrong with with Bugs' story as he as he as you related it over the the air tonight, but I think that the passage of time You know, a hassling over these different bullet weights and everything.

I thought that was uh

No, a anybody in twenty years can can get turned around on that, especially if they're not real experts at reloading and things like that. My only question with the whole deal is is that Uh you know, over the past thirty years or so, thirty, thirty five years. There's been a number of sightings and a lot of publicity on these Bigfoot and abominable snowmen and all this other thing.

Yeah, there's something to it, obviously. Sure.

But the key to the thing and I and I just heard where Bugs refacts you and he's withdrawing Well you know, here's the deal. Um

Not not entirely. I mean he offered me the opportunity to go out there if I wanted to uh

Yeah, but see that's not gonna get the job done. This if this actually happened and and I have reason to believe that maybe it did. This would be such a contribution to the scientific community.

If yeah, but if it turns out that way. See y if you put yourself in his shoes. A lot of things could happen. They could dig up the remains of this thing. They could run genetic tests. Sure. And maybe they couldn't discern between a human and whatever this was. And uh if that was the case he could end up getting charged.

Well, the thing of it is, you know, uh there's been some folks this evening that said that, well, it was unethical to hunt at night. Predator hunting at night under light is legal in a lot of states. Uh it's an accepted method of of hunting predators. And you know, he he indicated that when they hit it with the light, you know, it stood up.

Yep.

All the years that our family and myself we've guided You know, at night even with a half a million candle power A critter like that stand up and you notice I use the term critter, could look an awful lot like a bear.

Yeah.

And maybe that's why they had a three hundred Weatherby there, you know what I mean?

Now Yeah, I mean everybody's uh tearing this whole thing apart in minutia uh I uh to me it's not

He has a defense and I think that one uh as as legal counsel enters into this thing or legal advice, I think one of the salient points that should be considered is that one, if If he is a

For it.

him and his two buddies are afforded immunity. And I think that this is possible because one, um

I don't think it would be offered. I uh I I appreciate your call, sir, but look A charge uh could be leveled like manslaughter. A lesser uh charge than murder, I'm sure it would be, but it could be there could be a manslaughter charge. They would not uh with a possible crime what the hell do the police know? For all they know, he cooked up this story to cover what was a murder. The police are going to be open to all possibilities, um

So frankly, I understand this fear, and I'm not surprised by it. In fact if anything it it adds more weight to the whole thing as far as I'm concerned. I'd be afraid too. Plus you gotta remember that he's he's out there on his own. And I can tell you that before he went on the air, he said, I don't want to go on the air. I want I want to be able to contact the other two guys, so that too makes sense. So he's probably afraid he's too far out on a limb, and he is pretty far out on a limb.

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Now we take you back to the night of April 16th, 1996, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.

East of the Rockies, you're on the air.

Um, yeah, I had a question about this is Tillman in Nashville, by the way.

Yes sir.

Um I believe the guy's story about About the right.

I did too.

But wouldn't the bodies have decayed by now that was like

Yes. Yes, of course they would have. Um but decayed beyond uh identification? No. I mean you can probably exume uh since it was buried and wasn't there for scavengers Uh you could probably exhume and do uh genetic testing and other type of testing.

So so you think they could find some of the remains? Okay. And not to get off the subject well I guess it would

Yeah, on any subject you want.

Um, the guy that wanted to know people's fears. I w I work for the post office and I and I have a big fear that

You sir are people's fears.

Well I ha have fear of some of the people I work with.

Yeah, that's what I meant. All right, thank you very much. A postal employee. Did any of you see Naked Gun thirty three and a third? What a dumb movie, but uh the beginning of that movie was a riot. It was an absolute riot with babies bouncing down the uh uh the stairs and uh in in baby carriages This wave after wave of evil people with bombs strapped on from the Middle East. Um

Hi, Art. Hello. This is Ron.

Okay, turn your radio off, Ron.

Right, right. It's awesome.

Ah that's good.

Okay, I'm calling about Gentlemen they called in about the big

Yes, uh.

First of all I want to say that I totally believe that these things could be possible. The problem with this story is, if I may, is that but going to from the end forward, he described this thicket as a hundred and fifty feet by fifty feet, did he not?

Um well, he said he was fifty feet into it and that it was only what, four or five feet tall, something like that.

Well I think he described the site in the ravine of a hundred and fifty feet long, fifty feet.

Tot in totality, yes, but he he only went fifty feet in.

Okay, well he must have been crawling in. Now, one thing that hunters would do

No no no no. You wouldn't be out the uh other side of something a hundred and fifty feet long if you were fifty feet in.

No, but it was one hundred and fifty feet long, fifty feet wide. What am I incorrect in what I heard?

Well uh look, uh he went in f we're gonna have to play the thing again tomorrow night and get the facts down.

Just quickly, though, if he... Basically when you're doing this and I understand why I was and I have nothing against it. I mean well I do morally about hunting at night and so forth but Logically it seems like they were to walk together around the perimeter of this to check it out. I mean it it only would make sense. That would be my first instinct is let's all walk together in the group. Obviously Very close together so in case anything happened all the fire would go the same direction.

Well he said he had a uh they had a very, very bright light. They were doing professional hunting.

But they they hit that when they s when they spot it with the headlight.

Um they spotted it with that big particular bright light they had, is what he said. Right. And um and that is the way a lot of people have hunted for a long time.

Yeah. But anyway those are my two main concerns. I mean uh that far away of course, you know, and then having the time and one thing he did say that lent to to his

Well, or at least uh that it didn't appear human. Now that that was my question. If you have something standing on two feet, which he said it wasn't, it was down on all fours or crouched, he said. Correct.

Right.

Then it came up. And it was the whole thing was hairy now and not dressed. I mean that is not to a hunter a human.

No, that's right. I agree. But but at that point, see, I mean I'm just talking about things going really fast at when this happens here. You put the s you you see this thing crouch and obviously you see When you're doing that, usually the eyes give away the animal first thing. That's what's going to reflect. Okay, they see that, they put the light on it, they bring the they bring the g the the rifles right up.

Tell me something. Yeah. Um what would you advise him to do now? To come forward or to let sleeping yeti lay, as it were.

Um, well, first of all, I'm on the sixty forty other side and I don't believe it. Mm-hmm.

But that wasn't a question.

Um I can't advise somebody else on what to do. All I can say is what I would do.

What would you do?

I w I I would have to Walk somebody right to it. Forget the pictures. Let's go do it. Let's go find'em. Of course, you know, get your get yourself covered first legally.

All right. Uh I don't know how you do that. I I don't know how you cover yourself legally and I understand his reluctance. Uh no, I would say don't forget the pictures. The pictures are of the creatures as they were. So I wouldn't say forget that. I would say that would be a good

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We used Weaver nine to fifteen by fifty power scope. If we could not identify what we were looking at, we would not shoot. There were a lot of cattle in this part of the country, and you sure didn't want to shoot a cow. We were sportsmen in the true sense, we lost a lot of money by not shooting. The weapons we were using were uh were a Remington seven hundred B DL two hundred and forty three caliber one hundred twenty five grain bullets.

Hi Art, this is Brett calling from Chicago.

Hi Brett.

Hi. Um I'd be inclined to believe the guy about the Bigfoot story.

Yeah I was too much.

I'll tell you why. Uh, my father was a a Marine Sniper recon division in Vietnam and they have the same way of talking about death as a lot of Marines do. And um the way he was talking about the way they came upon the thing and hunted it. Yeah. Um, it sounds a lot like a a sniper. Um I'd be inclined to believe the fellow. Um you know, pictures would be more proof or a map or something like that.

Absolutely.

But the way but the way he was talking.

Yeah, I know. That's that's that's what I bought too. Uh the facts I thought the first facts I got was very tentative. It showed the concern he would have for his legal position, I would too. Sure. And um I I just think there's a a better than even chance that it's a true story and it's an opportunity to finally find out.

And you know people who face death in such a way like that don't tend to lie about it.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean you know, y y y you can never tell. I mean people might make up a story, but you could almost feel it. You almost had uh I I just you know, it's hard maybe I'm just too naive. Some lady called yesterday said I'm

Yeah, but uh he had a believability in his voice.

Thank you very much. I thought so too. And this is something that I would like to finally see settled. Wouldn't you? Or is it better not to know? I think there's very little choice now, uh legally and otherwise, I think this has to be followed on. But I will keep my word.

Oh my god.

Problems we make for ourselves, eh? Incredible. Uh so we will be uh in follow up contact with the uh this Bigfoot organization in Oregon, one that has serious resources. They've got helicopters, they've got uh financing. They're very serious about what they do and uh they've communicated with me now two or three times since the facts and um now no doubt up in Oregon. In fact uh I would like to get through to them. I'd like to talk to this uh a Bigfoot organization now. Maybe even on the air.

An honor to talk to you.

And you sir.

Okay. My name is Fred, I'm from Kansas.

Hi, Fred.

I'm calling Batchy Baker's story.

Yeah.

Okay. I need to qualify myself. I'm a police officer. I've also hunted extensively. Shot everything from uh Desert Havelena to Moose in Canada.

Yes, sir.

Okay, I'm also involved as in a tactical team, long range shooting, and I've got a lot of experience in ballistics and different calibers. He had a caller that was a uh former army sniper a while ago and uh started talking about loads available for the particular rifles that uh Bugs was talking about. Mm-hmm. I have to agree with him. He's right.

Did you uh first let me ask you, did you hear Buck You did, okay.

The overall story itself was fairly believable the way it was told. Yes, he would have been able to identify it very easily at night with uh that type of light and uh with a good quality rifle skill. I'm not aware of a nine by fifteen by fifty millimeter weaver scope being produced, but uh it may have been, you know

No, no, you can't get around that. However however the animal I mean to the shooter, uh it may have s in fact the animal may have done that in reaction to being hit that way. Now that doesn't mean that the bullet Uh the physics I I understand what you're saying about the physics of it, um but the animal may have reacted in that manner when it was hit.

Possibly. But according to Bugs, the animal was charging toward him and he's talking about a three hundred pound animal. And uh Whether you want to talk about a forty four magnum uh being able to stop something in this track. or knock it backwards, he still has the momentum of the animal as charging toward him, and to throw it back three or four feet is you know virtually impossible.

Let me ask you a question.

Yes I am.

Um if somebody came to you And they sat down in in the uh police station and they told you the story and they said, Look, I wanna lead you to the bodies. I wanna clear this up, it's been on my conscience all these years. Um what what would your inclination be?

Well absolutely we're going to check this out. And not necessarily the possible homicide. But you know, we get calls, people see lights in the sky, you know, all kinds of things. And uh You know, sometimes it's easily explainable.

Sometimes it is, but uh when you have shot something and buried it uh and know where you've buried it and took photographs of it. Um then it seems to me you've got something that somebody in your position would at least follow up on.

Absolutely. There's no doubt about it. I would check this out. And uh and please understand, I believe in Bigfoot too. I've you know, my sister lived in Vancouver, Washington for a long period of time and I was in the area and uh Uh you know, in that country you can walk past something three feet away and you would see it. Uh it's unbelievable the rainforest. And uh there's

All right. Um I I appreciate your input. Thank you very much. Um and there is some more input. Now uh whenever anybody has told a story on this program or any other, any story that you hear from anybody, it will be picked apart six ways from Sunday. I would say based on the faxes that I've received, I've probably got about a hundred faxes here. And about eighty or ninety percent of them seem to believe the story.

About that percentage. Uh so there you go. Uh West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hi.

Yes, good evening, Art.

Sure. Turn your radio off there, Lone Eagle.

Let me let me get to the top to

All right, good.

Uh well I t I tend to agree with the Army Sniper and the policeman from Kansas that uh you've got trash. Uh however the gentleman has a

I'm not sir I'm not sure that's what they said.

Thanks so much.

They had some doubts about it, they didn't say trash. Uh

They didn't. They said that that that some of the things he said uh just couldn't be true. Um the other thing is that um I want Bugs to know that based on what he's already said, he's not gonna be that hard to uh To track.

Thank you.

He has in fact done what he said he's done based on his age. Uh he was in his thirties when he did this. Um not only is he a blight to hunters, but he's also a blight to Vietnam veterans. He he he casts the image the Vietnam veterans are killers. And that's what

Oh, for heaven's sakes. Umright I that enough, thank you. I I was in Vietnam. That's a bunch of crap. Uh he did not um he did not uh uh cast uh some sort of uh a shadow all of all Vietnam vets as killers. That's ridiculous. Look, I'm not a hunter, I don't kill things. Um but that statement is just asinine. And that kinda makes me angry if you want to know the truth.

Look, um, whatever else you may think of the story, I can easily understand that somebody may have regrets over this. Can't you understand that? Don't you think that you might, if you did such a thing, have regrets about what you did?

And uh uh the approach that you just came on with that kinda made me angry. Um I I didn't get that out of it at at all. And now I I think that your objection to the story is uh more of one uh based on some sort of moral judgment that you've made. Or perhaps uh Uh some some guilt that you feel yourself that uh that tweaked in you. Uh first time caller line, you're on the air. Hello. Hi, Eric. Hello.

Uh hate to sound like a parrot, but you are one hard guy to get hold of.

Well, I'm glad you made it. Uh where where are you?

I'm in Cheyenne, Wyoming.

Sir K R A E

Yes, sir, I am listening to that to K K Ray. Uh I know just a little while ago uh you guys got hooked up in Laramie too.

That's right.

Mhm. But um I'm originally from uh Minnesota, northern Minnesota. Yes sir. I'm not I'm talking about the Bigfoot thing. Mm-hmm. Uh I'm not I don't I'm not sure whether he's right or or you know if the story is legitimate or not. That's not really why I was calling. I was just trying to put in a little bit of my input on I used to shine a lot also myself. Uh I don't know if you know what I mean by shining, but uh using lights at night to to hunt animals.

I know. I I mean people look, we all know that it's done, has been done, people have done it for years. We know it is against the law. And I'm not out to render You know, ba some sort of moral judgment on on what he did. Um I'm I'm not trying to look at the story from that point of view. I mean that's a s certainly a

Yeah, but I don't I don't know I don't actually think he'll come out in uh it it'd be pretty hard for him to come out and actually do something like that. And the reason why I'm saying that is like I w I wouldn't even I I I'm not even willing to give you my ni my per

I I understand. Sir, sir, sir. How old are you?

How old am I? I'm 32.

Thirty two. Uh let me tell you something about age. As you get at another twenty years, you'll begin to reflect on things that you've done in your life. And as you get older, in your thirties, this might not seem Uh but as you enter uh the latter half of your life, let's say, uh you begin to reflect and think about things you've done earlier in your life in a way that you would not when you're thirty. I'll I'll just simply tell you that is true.

Oh yeah, I c I can understand that and I can relate to it. My father went through the same thing. He can't even shoot an animal anymore, but he used to do the same things. But, uh, it just... It's a hard thing to come out. you know, make it make it public to people and i you know, one whether he'd have a lawyer or not, he would still be faced with them kinds of charges. I don't I don't I find it hard to believe he'd get off on

Well there is no statute of limitations um on murder. Thank thank you very much for the call. There is no statute of limitations. However Again, I can tell you, I mean this is personal experience. As you get older you begin to reflect on things that you've done and we have all done things that we are sorry for. Things that we carry guilt about.

I understand why somebody would um want this off their chest or want it cleared up in their life. Uh maybe in your twenties or your thirties you can't consider that. But I but I assure you as you get older you do have moments of reflection about this kind of thing.

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Thank you.

Okay, we're gonna have to start all over again.

I'm sorry about that, Arthur.

Uh everybody should know the only thing we're allowed to take is first names only on the air. So this is Mark and also from Cheyenne.

I do apologize for that

That's all right.

Hey, I'll tell you, I I had a couple of problems with uh with what uh Bugs was saying. Yes. And uh just to qualify myself, uh I've done hunting all throughout uh North America and in southern Africa. Mhm. And uh done quite a bit of competitive shooting uh along with that. Okay. Uh the one thing he did say They they were out there uh the reason they were hunting in the seventies was the fur trade.

Well they had a lighter uh caliber gun as well, didn't they?

They did have a two forty three and that's that's very much believable. Uh like that.

So maybe uh you know, if there was three of'em, maybe they had different weapons for different possible applications. I mean I I don't know, I'm not a hunter, so I don't know.

And and that that may very well be. I don't don't really know why they'd have a three hundred with'em. But uh in any event and also like uh like that policeman was saying, uh the bullet weight. I I did a little looking while I was listening to that and it it didn't it just sounded bogus and I tell you I couldn't find anything uh anything as big as what they were saying for either caliber. Well, yeah

He could have uh more easily, in the thread of his story uh just told us the caliber he was using without telling us uh that he had loaded them uh w to a certain deg to this degree. In other words, he didn't have to add that to the story. Uh he could have left it at uh we use the following c following calibers, right?

Yeah, uh he if if he'd have done that. Uh the and then that's like I say, that you know th there might be there's there's a lot of obscure bullet bullet manufacturing companies that they sell are reloaded. Who knows?

Well, one more thing. I I've got a newscast coming up. Do you want to hold?

Yeah, if you'd like me.

Oh well. Stay right where you are.

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Anyway, it's good to be here and uh we've got another hour to go. I'll tell you a funny story. Um I'm not a big game hunter. I'm concerned more about my little game, my little wild feral cat. And He has been venturing forth uh in the middle of the night. And I just went out there during this break and my big seventeen pounder, my lump of love, uh my big seventeen pound cat, uh Abby

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Aren't the bullet green could have been seventy five, I don't remember. I know that I use a Sierra Boat Tail Bullet, whatever that is, I don't know. Uh but he says I know I use a Sierra bow tail bullet. I have not shot a weapon since that time. I sold all my rifles, all my pistols. I'll write the entire story in d detail to you tomorrow in fact to you.

Hey, thanks Hart. Um with with regard to the the forty four, hey, I I believe that. Uh and I really think this guy's story's credible. But uh you know Uh uh the data I have on a on a two hundred and twenty grain and he says he used a two hundred and eighty grain bullet with that three hundred weatherby uh you're dealing with almost thirty two hundred

It would depend um like the facts I just got through, it would depend on where the hits were made.

Well and that's an and I'm assuming he he qualified himself as an army sniper, so I would I would assume he's a pretty decent shot. I I gotta believe he's that they're they're hitting most of these shots in in pretty vital areas.

Yeah, again we're we're sitting here, um, picking somebody's story apart in in minutiae here and saying, Well this or that can't happen or this can't happen or why didn't this happen? Um I I th I thank you for the call, but I again

We're getting a thous there's a thousand different stories and thoughts in the big city about this. I thought overall the story sounded I thought it was credit. But I've been fooled before. You know, who am I? I'm not a hunter. I don't know about all these things. Um I just know that I thought it sounded

And now I r really do feel in the middle of this. Morally. So in that sense, um Bugs has managed to shift. Some of the weight, uh perhaps. But but it's like I understand that you would want to do that.

There are certain things that uh y you just don't want to die with the weight of That is a really normal human reaction. East of the Rockies, you're on the air.

Yes, good morning, Hart. This is Randy in Tampa, Florida.

Hi, Randy.

All right. Uh you know, I missed the first uh hour of your program this morning. I've been picking up on the rest of it. You know, it seems like to me, uh bugs borrow a handheld GPS and go out on that spot and take the longitude and latitude and send it to uh these people in Oregon with a helicopter.

Yeah you could do any of that. Uh that the object of what he's trying to do right now is to get straight with it, you know, not just to um tell somebody where to go dig. Right. But he wants to get personally straight with it.

All right. could come uh forth later after they found that if they did in fact find uh any remains out there'cause only he would have those numbers and he could prove his prove who he was. Uh with his mamas later.

Yeah, there's there's no doubt about it. But I I I think he intends more than that. And I and I understand that.

I possibly saw but I'd really like to see that thing resolved'cause I've been keeping up with it now for thirty years.

Well, uh this is one of the look, uh i if you class leads, no matter what you think of the story, this is one of the better ones I've heard. And I I've been in the middle of this kind of information for years too, so Maybe it goes nowhere, maybe it goes somewhere, but it's it's a good lead.

I am. Yeah, well I'll be sure to catch that. All right, sir.

Take care. Um yeah. The answer to that is yes. And uh I hope that some of you will crank out recorders. Uh I know that you didn't expect it tonight. I didn't So you weren't prepared for it. Tomorrow night get out your recorders. Fine. Record it. Tear it apart. Listen to it. At least that way, you'll have the facts. Or you will have them as they were given.

Yes, uh, I'm calling about the, uh, the big budget.

Yes, sir.

I believe him. I mean just listen to his voice. That's the main thing about it. His voice sounded real genuine and

All right, you've got your radio on, don't you? Thank you. Look, I I don't want to have to tell people to do that. When you get on the air, turn it down, turn it off automatically. All right, go ahead, sir.

He just seemed uh real genuine and his voice almost trembled when he spoke about it. I know.

I know, I I'm I make the same judgment. And I we got into this argument this b argument minutia argument about uh how many grains of this or that.

Man, I'm a Batman.

But I sat and I listened to the story as a whole and it clicked.

It did. I mean, you can't make up a story like that and sound that genuine.

Well you might. You might. I I don't look, it could be baloney, but I just lean toward thinking it was true, that's all.

I do too.

Anyway, we'll find out. Appreciate the call.

Have a good night.

You too. Uh West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello. Going once. Going twice going. East of the Rockies, you're on the air, high. Uh lucky, huh?

In Ohio.

Ohio Lucky, okay.

Yeah. Um, I was wondering last week you said something about uh What would happen after the creation? or after a a disaster, I mean

Yes, uh in other words what would rise from the ashes of any uh major disaster. Whatever it would be, yes.

Anyways it it got me thinking about the last time that there was a disaster. And I know uh You don't like to talk about the Bible, but uh

No, we talk about the Bible all the time. I just don't like people quoting from the Bible directly if we don't read scripture on the air here.

I understand. Good. Well in the story of Adam and Eve. When Cain slew Abel. And then he was banished from the garden. and went into a far land, and there he knew his wife. So she must have been on earth. Uh at least as old as he was. Doesn't that make sense?

All right, sir. Uh I guess. Um that is not the spirit though of my question. Uh the spirit of my question uh would relate to a Uh more modern uh disaster, economic social, um who knows, comet slamming in, uh Ebola decimation, uh whatever might occur to a Industrialized, advanced society like ours that would set it back the way I'm sure the unabomber wished it would be set back.

Yes, Mr Bell. Oh, how are you doing today? Uh the thing about that uh Yeah, the Bigfoot thing is that The only way he can really prove it is to come up with a facts.

That's what he's offering.

And uh that's all I can say about that. Thank you, Mr. Bell.

You're welcome, Mr. Coller. Have a good morning. Uh that's what it sounded like to me he's hoping to do, but um I am not surprised that he would be concerned about the legal implications of it for himself. I would. So you'd be you'd be sitting there weighing uh the The need to get this off your chest against uh the possible legal and real world. effect that it would have on you and your family.

Wildcard line, you're on the air. Hello.

Uh yes, um Mr. Bill, this is uh Robert from uh Lincoln, Nebraska.

Hi Robert.

Um I called you uh I talked to you just last week. Um about the remote control.

was listening to your Sunday show and when you played the the uh Bigfoot tape. Mhm. I've heard those noises before.

Where?

Um I in my childhood I lived um in a small little lip town in Washington called Maple Valley. Mhm. And um um Bigfoot or Big Feet used to go down by the river, um, about two miles away from our home and fish in there um during the night.

And you've heard those sounds made then.

Uh that varies time.

Well, I'll tell you I can only tell you this if I heard that sound, I would be gone, gone, gone. I I don't have the um uh apparent um um what would be the word guts of a lot of hunters, you know, to stand there with this high caliber gun and plug away at something. It would just scare the you know what out of. Very simply. Uh that sound is just it's one of the most horrible sounds. Let me see if I've got that one queued up. Yeah, listen to this.

Good morning. Hi. Hi, Art. This is Fancoin from Central Point.

Yes.

And I have done some hunting here in Oregon. Believe it or not, my father was a coon hunter in the seventies. And um you do a lot of hunting at night, um, hunting for the smaller varmits with lights. Yes. It's a it's a done thing. My mother was also raised in n Northern California. And she's a woman who I um think has great conviction and is a very honest person. And she can tell you stories about going to the river to see Bigfoot

Oh I listen, um can you hold on? I've I've got a break here. Sure. All right. I I don't doubt I've heard so many stories now, uh that I don't doubt there is something to this. I don't know what. And I don't even know if Bug's story is true. I just know that there are so many reports. reports, there's obviously something to it. We'll be right back.

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We've got a caller on the line. Let's go back. Thank you for waiting, huh?

Um and something else I'd like to say is I do believe his story. Um when it you know, when you're young you do things that you regret and I've seen people do some pretty stupid stuff and um you know, hunting, killing things that they shouldn't.

Sure.

you know, and he was a young person and I can see why he's been reluctant to come forward because of tonight all of the You know, what was he do you know, what were they doing hunting in the middle of the night? Well I have to tell you I've done it. You know

A lot of people have.

Right. You know, we're from small towns here in Oregon where lo you know, from logging communities and hey, you know, we've all poached deer, you know, to feed families and you know, in the seventies fur there was a lot of money in it. And I've hung out with the guys enough hunting that I can see where the adrenal adrenaline runs. would definitely get you chasing something like that.

Yep. Um I've got a fax here and it's somebody else who believes it and uh says, Look The guy who suggested they were hunting for fur really should go back and recall uh what was being hunted coyotes, bobcats, etcetera, hardly for fur animals. They were hunted for bounty in some uh cattle, sheep country the bounties can go very high.

a pre uh a pre considered action. Murder involves knowing you're you're killing a human being. Or even in intelligent life form, and that you plan to do it. Isn't that how we define murder? In degrees, there are degrees of murder. But premeditation uh is one very, very important uh aspect to uh any of those Charges of murder and manslaughter? Well

Yes, sir.

Hello!

About your Bigfoot story?

Not mine.

whoever. Yes. Uh the only thing that bothers me about the deal is uh they say they were there hunting for environments for money and uh I mean that would uh paid pretty good, I would think, a a big foot, so uh you know, that kinda about the only thing I think about it.

Well, it would depend on how you thought about it. In other words, that was not a creature for which bounty was offered.

Well but still I mean uh

Uh he said uh in his in his letter uh he said that uh let's see. Uh coyotes were bringing fifty to a hundred dollars each, bobcats seven hundred and fifty or more. On good nights you could average four or five hundred dollars. So that's a significant earning for a night.

But I would think that a a Bigfoot would bring a lot more with that with uh publicity and You know, I mean it'd be like a a big game deal, you know, it almost

Well if you listen to what you

Yeah.

Yes, but if you listen to what he said, um he was not entirely sure he had not shot a human.

Well again, you know, humans don't have uh aren't covered with hair and

Humans don't bring bounties, they bring charges. Right.

He clearly stated that it wasn't human.

Well he didn't clearly state it. If you listen carefully, he said the face looked like a cross between a human and some other animal.

Bye-bye.

The sexual organs, the other organs were the same as human, is what he said. Mm-hmm.

I think I'd have skinned it and mounted a head on my wall myself.

All right. Well thanks for that wisdom. I'd have skinned it and mounted the head on my wall. Boy, a lot of big game hunters out there were talking to this morning. Such wisdom. Yeah. Uh, West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.

Going twice. Uh wildcard line, you are on the air. Hi.

Uh Charlie, liberal in California.

Well then again there are some heads that would look all right on the wall. Yes, Charles?

Uh, first of all, I hate hunters. I think they're uh animals, uh vicious uh Neanderthals, very, very backward people. Someone who could get enjoyment out of shooting an innocent creature I think is absolutely disgusting, perverse. Anyway Hi, personal question for you. You know, we were talking about this uh this uh virus, uh, you know, that infected the uh

There are now uh three more that have come down with it and they are saying they may have to eliminate the entire population.

Let me ask you let me ask you a question. If there were a virus that that uh struck in the United States that it that we could uh you know, judge down to a certain area? geographic area. Would you be in favor of uh cutting those people off, installing uh m the military and perhaps uh say eliminating this uh group of people in order to keep the virus from spreading or would you consider that to be communistic or what would be your feelings on on uh on the on dealing with that?

Yeah, you're describing the scenario in outbreak.

Exactly. What are you- what are you-

Um it would depend on what I suppose what the scientists were telling me, Charles, but um the bottom line of course would be if there was a near sure uh result that the general population would be infected, that ninety percent would die, then you would be weighing the rights of the many versus the rights of the few, and I think that gives you your answer. But it would be very hard, Charles.

Well yeah, yeah, I I I would agree with that to an extent. And I think unfortunately there are l there are people out there who do not who do not understand that um People in the government sometimes, mm including the President on down, sometimes have to make decisions between two evils. One being uh one being terribly evil, the other one being Uh not as evil. And sometimes you have to make sometimes you have to make that decision.

Well some some some sometimes, Charles, people in the government view as evil things that you uh well, I for example, might not.

Exactly. And sometimes they make mistakes like that. But I don't think they're made uh out of maliciousness. I think that sometimes people with uh good inten good intentions make terrible mistakes. But this is a you know, this is a situation uh

You think uh they asked Janet Reno this the other day on Meet the Press on Sunday, if you could go back and do it again, would you do it differently? Let me ask you that about Waco. I've heard you spout off on Waco a million times, but if you could go back and uh act in a different way from the government's point of view, would you?

The only mu you wanna know something? The only mistake the government made in my opinion was using the uh military vehicles to take down the buildings. And I think they sh I think they should have done better investigative type work and maybe try to get him outside. But once those people took over that building, my belief is that they waited y they waited fifty something days, which is a which is incredible. showing extreme patience. Um so i I don't know I I think that uh

Do you think uh just your best guess, do you think there'll be uh repercussions this April nineteenth, this Friday?

Yes, and I think uh I think some people are gonna blame I don't think you'll have anything as big as uh as what hope happened in Oklahoma, but I think you'll have some small incidents and uh I think it's uh terrible how

All right. Um I I agree with that last part. Uh another Oklahoma sized incident, God help us, would bring about uh he said a semi civil war. I don't know what it would bring. It would bring something awful. It would bring something awful. Is it possible? Yes. Oh yeah. Is it probable? I don't know that I'd go that far. Possible? Definitely. Um it's gotta stop. Uh the collision that I've been warning and talking about for so long is inevitable. Uh

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Back to the phones. First time caller line, you're on the air. Hi.

Yes, sir.

Bye.

Yeah.

Yes, sir.

Last night you were musing on the uh support that Clinton is evoking from the female population.

It's about a twenty seven point difference uh between Clinton and Dole as far as females are concerned, yes, uh huh.

During the uh one of the campaign debates the uh CNN people set up a uh set of people. Female on one side and male on the other, I guess.

I I remember that, yes. And they all had little buttons they could press.

Right. When they did that in the campaign uh discussion somebody, you know, was putting up a point about education. Uh you could always see the female line head upward. Yeah. You know, depending on what was being said.

Yeah.

It seems to me that if you look at the photo op- that the President and the First Lady have uh put out for the last six or seven months Being in classroom settings or having children in the uh Oval Office behind the president when he's signing something or other. Um he's sending out messages to the female population. And it seems to me that that's reaping benefits for for him.

Well, that's uh that just shows that he knows what he's doing as a pol uh being a politician. Now I remember and I know you do too. Ronald Reagan, George Bush, other Republican presidents who have at various times during signings of bills lined up police officers behind them and other groups that they thought would be favorable uh favorably received.

Right.

No, it's it's a good uh it's it's a good uh observation. Thank you very much. And I would rather believe that that is the message that's resonating uh so heavily with uh females as opposed to the difference in appearance between the two men. But I continue to suspect that that is also a factor. First time caller line, you're on the air, hi. Hello, where are you? Michigan. Oh in Flint, Michigan, all right. Um

shocked that I'm through it, honestly. I've been trying so long.

Well you're in.

Great. Have you have you got any information regarding the decoding of the beacon stone artifact? The beacon stone?

No, never heard of it. Crystal rock? Never heard of it.

Guy in Seattle that decoding it on his From it?

Oh, um no. Now I've I've certainly heard uh a lot of stories about objects, particularly crystal and glass, uh that they speculate are able to retain a sort of a memory, an image, uh possibly even sounds or pictures. I know that sounds odd to a lot of people, but uh there's being there is a lot of work being done in this area and uh crystal would have particular properties in in that in that vein.

Yeah, that's what's coming out of it.

No. Well, that's very interesting. I'll see what I can find out about it and follow up on it. But yes, uh there is quite a bit of legitimate research now being done into the retention uh of memories or sounds or visual images. Uh with regard to uh material objects it's a really weird science, but uh believe me, they're doing a lot of research. So I'll check into that one. East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.

I aren't...

Hello!

Uh, this is Larry, Mobile.

Hello, Larry, Mobile, Alabama.

Are we still on the air?

I hope so.

I can't get you here. They uh change uh they take you off at four AM. Well

That's because I go to a morning show.

I guess so. Uh about the uh Bigfoot thing. Yes. Um I I dabble in photography and it just seems like he mentioned Polaroid pictures. The the only problem there is they could be doctored up slightly.

Well I thought that Polaroids were generally, particularly then, if you if you could date them, uh very, very difficult to uh

Polaroids are particularly difficult to to doctor. In other words, if they're able to date the photographs to the time period that he talked about, uhhuh. Uh I think then, uh and I and I recall pretty well, Polaroids were regarded as as legitimate then. Uhhuh.

Well you may have me on that. Uh yeah, I tend to believe him, he sounds very real. Is there did he indicate where this happened, the state, or was could that even be talked about?

I I know where it happened and I know where he is. But I I have uh Given my word, so I'm not sure.

Yeah, that can't be revealed. Uh the only other problem I have and like I say I tend to believe him, but there's always that element of suspicion. Of course. Uh twenty plus years, what, seventy three, so that's what, twenty uh six years, twenty three years? Why did it wait this long to come out? Um... Is that a viable?

question. Yeah. Well um it's a viable question but it has a viable answer. Uhhuh. And for me that would be I know that at my age I'm fifty now. Sure. I'll be fifty one in June. Yeah, well there you are. During the next ten years, you'll begin to uh think more and more about what you've done in your life. Yeah. And people do that. And so uh you know, we've had a lot of things like that lately in the news, if if you'll recall. People who did things or memories that were old.

The old conscious gets to you.

Well yeah, sure.

Well, it's mighty interesting. I tell you this big plus thing's been around for all these god knows how many years. Yep. It's like the UFO thing. If if anything could come out, if this could be ninety percent solved, it would be worth all the effort.

I I couldn't agree more, thank you. Even if th we got the photographs and they went to the gravesites and got DNA evidence. There was not uh it could not be explained. Now I wouldn't imagine they'd get much more than that after all these years. But as long as it was buried, not available to scavengers, I would think there would be that much, even if all they found was bones, they'd get DNA. I think.

Uh but I've been fooled. I've been fooled. I can be fooled. I'm naive. You heard that lady. I just uh long to have this kind of thing settled. I feel for him. I know Bill Clinton, I'm not gonna say I feel his pain, but I feel uh and understand the fact that he wants to get this settled in his life. Wouldn't that make sense to you? Endoused me.