Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Effective Giving Podcast. I have with me as always the illustrious founder of All Access, Lane Kipp. So glad to have you here. Thank you, Lane. And now we also have two other guests. We have Brian Grasso and Andrew Forrester. Gentlemen, can you introduce yourselves to our audience? I would love to hear, who are you? What are you doing here?
Yeah, Brandon, I'm a little disappointed I didn't get illustrious before my name, but that's
Sorry about that. But you, we, we did talk about. We did talk about wicked before this so I know you're like astute on all the cultural influences in today's society, so
yeah. Um, yeah, my name is Brian Grasso. I serve as the executive director of Simple Charity, calling from Cumming, Georgia, north of Atlanta. So we don't say howdy here in Georgia, but we do say y'all. So I have that in common with, with Lane.
That's right. That's right. I'm actually from georgia, you know, fun fact i'm i'm from gwinnett county. So it's
Oh, okay. Down the road. Yeah.
i'm i'm with you. I'm a texas transplant Okay, andrew, how about uh, how about you who are you why are you here?
Yeah, my name is Andrew Forrester. I am Simple Charities Director of Operations. I've been in that role since this summer, and before that did about every other thing you can do in Simple Charity. Interned, worked part time as a student. Um, yeah, I've been doing that for about three years and I am in Midtown Atlanta, slightly South of Bryan.
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are both Duke grads, right?
Yep, both Duke grads. Um, I studied economics and global health. So if I had a passion, interest in, um, development economics, especially kind of research, um, microeconomic approaches to development economics that prove causation and show that things are actually alleviating poverty, making a difference, making an impact, um, and took a lot of classes around that in college and have a passion for that.
Something Elaine and I have in common, we've both read, um, all the books that I don't know if a lot of people read books about how to solve global poverty. There's a lot of them out there. There's like a dozen or so ones worth reading. And, um, so that's, that's something I have in common. That's lame.
So, how do we solve it
How do we solve it?
I've been asking him that question for years. I still don't have an answer.
By giving money to all accesses collective fund as
Hmm.
as a proud member of the all access fund. That's how we solve global poverty, Brandon. And by investing that money in evidence backed solutions that have good data, not just on activities and outputs, but good data on outcomes, ideally with a model. That, um, is able to say something about causation, um, where this intervention is actually moving the needle on key indicators that track poverty. So, that's how we solve it.
It's funny you mention that, Brian, I feel like that's something that we should talk about on today's So you guys have, uh, a, a very rigorous process for how you evaluate organizations that are doing good work abroad. Some of them more effective than others, and they have, you know, different strategies and different, um, emphases and targets and what they're working through.
And so I know Simple Charity and All Access has, uh, formed somewhat of a partnership and working together to evaluate these organizations. So I'm curious, how did that go this year? I know this year you guys have been, uh, evaluating, I think over 1100 organizations. And so you've put many of them to the test based on a very rigorous methodology. What was that like? Uh, how did that go this year?
And we'll talk about some of the, um, I guess successful organizations that made it through that process here in a moment. But, but how was 2024? What was that like this year?
ahead, Lane. Sounds like you were going to say something.
yeah, uh, it, it took a long time. It was a lot of work. Um, but these guys really helped with a lot of the legwork of it. And so, you know, we essentially, so every year we kind of back up and re evaluate the data. We're always talking with experts throughout the year. But, um, this year we kind of looked at, took the data and looked at a wider range of countries. We looked at like 11 or 12 countries, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, we're looking at specific cause areas.
So education, healthcare, we looked at some wash as well, but really dialed in on education and healthcare. And, uh, Andrew went to town on scraping the world on who. addresses those cause areas in those countries. And that's where that 1100 number started was we're looking at specifically in these countries who's addressing those, um, cause areas.
And then what we did is we sent them a form and said, Hey, if you Uh, believe you can reduce these poverty levels in these countries, then tell us more about your program and, uh, tell us how you collect data, what your strategic plan is, your output outcomes, what it costs to do that. And, uh, Andrew kind of did the science, uh, behind that of when you're looking at comparing opportunities. And when we talk about ending global poverty, it's all about, Getting these spreadsheets down to zero.
And so all we're looking for is who can best reduce these indices in these places, the most per dollar and the most sustainable way. And so there's some qualitative checks, you know, about look at sustainability, how they're doing things, financial efficiency. Uh, but when they make it through that, then we start looking at impact per dollar, which becomes more of a. science And, uh, Andrew, once you, uh, share more about if I missed anything and then what that process look like.
Yeah, it's, so it's a really interesting problem when you're thinking about, you think about all the different cause areas that we were looking at, like wash, um, education, you know, all of the different things that we laid out for nonprofits that we might consider. You have to compare those one to another and decide which one is more effective. But you're kind of comparing apples and oranges, right?
You're saying this non profit, oh, you spend this much money and it will enable a thousand people to access water. How do you compare that to, um, this non profit will build a school that will enable a thousand students to get an education for four years? So, We're using the, we're using different methodologies and we're trying to use, you know, all of the data that we have available, especially the MPI to form some basis of comparison between
is the NPI? Andrew, for the
So the multidimensional poverty index tracks, uh, there, there are different ways to build it, but. It tracks, um, a few different areas in which a person can be poor. So, for example, access to education, access to clean water, cooking fuel, sanitation. These things that we classically think of as, um, you know, do you have the means to live a productive, a healthy, um, life? And so, the MPI the MPI conglomerates all these things together into a single number.
That you can assign to a region or to a country and what we were trying to do essentially was build a model to see how much will a particular non profit's intervention change the MPI over time and how much will it do that per dollar.
Yeah. Yeah. And what that MPI, uh, two things are really powerful about it. One is that they're like, uh, University of Oxford developed it. USCID helps fund it along with other groups. Um, But they're collecting this data every five years in all of these developing countries at a subnational level. And so every five years we have new data on exactly what the needs are, what percent of people lack access to what, where. It's very, very powerful information.
Um, but what the MPI also does is help you compare apples and oranges according to this weighted index. That's. Broken down into three dimensions, health, education, living standards. We can actually weigh, Hey, an education org versus a healthcare org and see how much will that reduce the poverty level in these countries. And so, you know, Brandon, you were asking about how do we, um, poverty, um, you know, giving, uh,
uninitiated, the topic of, uh, the topic of today's discussion in
Yeah. Uh,
global poverty,
But as Brian, you know, we've talked about giving is giving is completely backwards, you know, for the most part, you start off, you get approached and people ask you to give to this activity or whatever and hope that it impacts some number somewhere. We do the exact opposite.
We flip it on its head and start with a problem and see and say, who, I don't care who, but who can best reduce this poverty level in this place, the most per dollar in the most sustainable way, regardless of what names on their shirt. And that just by doing that alone, which is to be honest, the same thing we do with our investing or anything else in the for profit sector, it can expedite
Good investors, the good thing, good investors do
Yeah.
is yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, cause I want to talk for a second about the 1100 number and why I think that actually really matters. Um, sorry, I kind of cut you off
Go for it.
okay. Uh, so the 1100, why the 1100 number matters. Um, you know, I, I think about, um, I think about. Uh, Sovereign's Capital, which is a Christian private equity firm, and I've heard Henry Kayser talk about Sovereign's Capital say, you know, when we're, we're looking at potential businesses to invest in, we're saying no to 99 out of 100 businesses, um, and, but the reason, you know, so what investors call that is, is good deal flow.
Which is the quantity of, of potential investment opportunities that you're looking at. And so investors, you know, a lot of people don't know this about kind of venture capital, private equity world, if you're not, you know, plugged in there. But, um, investors are competing with each other to, um, to invest in. And certain businesses, um, because if you have businesses, you know, as great chances of success, then you want to have some share of that business. You want to have some equity.
Um, on their balance sheet, uh, before they grow and, and have tremendous success. So, but the, the thing about philanthropy at your point, Landon, is most, most people have very bad deal flow, which just means, you know, we choose why or not we get to something on the basis of relationship. And we, you know, most people know three or four people who work for nonprofits or family members who start nonprofits, and those are the requests they get. But what we're doing with.
You know, what I'm hoping we're, we're doing with All Access by, by reviewing 1, 100 organizations. That are, um, addressing global poverty is we're saying no to a lot of them, you know, or maybe, you know, for some of them, we're saying actually not no, but not right now, um, but that really matters because that allows us to give a couple yeses. To the cream of the crop, you know, organizations that have a solid theory of change.
They're collecting good evidence and the evidence they're collecting is showing that they are having, um, extremely cost effective impact on a few set of metrics that we've predetermined. And so it's really completely, you're right. It is turning kind of the way things are typically done on their head. I mean, we, we want to take the level of rigor that, um, top performing private equity funds.
Bring to their work and we want to apply that to philanthropy so that Christians can have a great deal of confidence that they are transforming people's lives and they are alleviating poverty and suffering and hardship, advancing the gospel, like spreading the love of Jesus throughout the world and to do that actually requires a lot of kind of technical, you know, you know, Having a good funnel, you know, having a system to pare down that funnel, um, and finding the cream of the crop where,
where God is at work, um, you know, through some, some really remarkable organizations.
Yep.
I want to pick up on that analogy because I like the way you're describing things. So, uh, and I, I want to get technical here just for a minute if, if that's okay. But, um, I would love to hear more about the, the actual model, the spreadsheet, the things that you guys are looking at in some detail. And the reason I'm saying that is.
Lane, you and I have talked a lot on this show about the strategy and thinking through things, but you know, Having andrew and brian here who've really been some spreadsheet gurus over the last several months Um, I I want to hear more about that because I like your analogy of the investment portfolio So you've got this deal flow coming in you've got these 1100 organizations.
You've got this big spreadsheet And you're building financial models to understand each of these, you know as if you were a private equity firm And what a private equity firm would be looking at is like You know, the equity premium they're taking the beta on this, you know, the risk, the volatility, they're looking at PE ratios, balance sheets, you know, all of that sort of thing to understand and analyze whether this is a good investment or not, in addition to qualitative factors like
management team and sector and, you know, things like that. So what are those? What is like the, uh, capital asset pricing model for these organizations that you're looking at. What is like volatility or risk or what are those metrics that you're, and how do you quantify those? And I've heard stories. Legend says that there is differential equations involved in this model.
And I'm very curious on like, how do you actually quanti, uh, quantitatively analyze these organizations for those that don't have a lot of background in the nonprofit world or are familiar with Oxford's MPI or anything like that? Like Like, give us, give us like, follow that analogy and help me understand what I'm looking at in the spreadsheet.
Andrew?
I was gonna say, Brian, do you want to talk maybe about the qualitative parts and then I can tackle the math?
Sure. Yeah, that sounds good. Um, I don't know why Andrew, well, this probably fits because Andrew is better at, better at math than me. And so that that's maybe why he said that, um, uh, the qualitative part. So to start with 1100 organizations. You know, the first thing we did was a screening. So are these organizations working in the poorest areas of the world, addressing one of the factors that the MPI, um, you know, is, that is used to calculate the MPI.
So, so that was the, the first thing is kind of, is this group within scope? Um, and so, and the reality is you just have to do that organization by organization and it, it actually can take a decent amount of time to figure out. What does this nonprofit do? Um, I think there's, gosh, I've seen 50 nonprofit websites in the human trafficking space that are all going to end human trafficking. I hope that one of them does. And, uh, but the marketing can look the same.
Um, and so, but how do you actually get down into what do they do? Um, so that's, that's the first thing. And then finding their contact information. Reaching out to them, um, and asking them to, um, to complete our, our application form, which gets into some of the things like, you know, what is your monitoring and evaluation process? Like, how are you collecting data? What data are you collecting? How much does a particular project cost? What are you expected outputs and outcomes?
And so starting to get some, to getting some of those numbers. Um, maybe Andrew could share a little bit about the, the, the. You know, the nice thing about all access is there's this clear, this clarifying element of, hey, we're trying to tackle the MPI, you know, we're, we're moving the needle on this, this one particular vetted metric. It's the instrument developed from Oxford, but the math for the MPI is actually fairly for the complex. Maybe. Oh, yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, no, and this is kind of where I came in. So we developed this application and then sent it out to them and we're telling them what we're looking for. Like, Hey, we're trying to reduce these numbers, um, prove that you can, and we'd love to consider you. And so that process saves a lot of time because they self weed themselves out. Um, and they say, you know what? If I don't have those documents or if we can't prove it, we're not going to apply. And that's fine.
So that process alone narrowed it down to, I think, about 150.
Oh,
And, um, which helps a ton. And so I came in and reviewed all of those 150. Because they're, and, Pretty much all of them provided outputs, at least. Not all of them provided outcomes. But what was important to me, uh, in doing this last few years is, how are they getting those numbers? And so I went through and viewed all of the M& E processes for all 150 of those of, how are they, how do they document how they're collecting that data?
And then once I kind of, uh, I think I narrowed it down to about 40 or 50 for Andrew to do a deeper dive on the quantitative stuff.
Okay, I'm not sure when you sleep. But we'll get there in another episode maybe
Have young kids, man. I never,
Never, never is the right answer.
Amen So andrew, yeah, so talk about okay So you have this set now 50 or so organizations that you're you're now you're you are the Analyst and you're diving into this spreadsheet. Like what does that look
Yeah. Yeah. That, that, that it's just a matter of, um, plugging into this model that we created. Um, the information that we get from these nonprofits about their impact and trying to assess how much are they going to change the MPIs of the future. Their country of their region. How many people can we expect to be lifted out of multidimensional poverty because of the investment that we make?
Um, so that's where the calculus comes in and that's where the, the dealing with a lot of the complex math that, um, the people at the Oxford program, um, and the UN development program have already done for us. We just have to plug in the numbers that we get from these organizations. Um, and make a best guess about, because sometimes they're not always key to The oxford or the U. N. Categories, right? So an organization might report impact metrics to us that say it's a water organization.
They might say this number of people got access to clean water. Well, we kind of have to dig into their documents and say, Okay, what does that mean? Does that mean they already had access, but it was 60 minutes away, not 15. Does that mean that, um, they just got an improved source of drinking water? So you have to dive into what exactly is the organization doing? And does that match with what the MPI considers to be an improvement in their living standard?
So a lot of that included, uh, well, I'm just like, I was just looking at the spreadsheet. Andrew, while you're talking, you know, that Delta Delta MPI per a hundred thousand dollars number. Yeah. Um, which is, I just call it Delta P for short. Delta, the change in the poverty per dollars spent. And because this is a weighted index, you know, index meaning it's unitless, we can compare apples and oranges. And, um, so that dwindles the number down pretty quickly.
And then it becomes a little bit back of an art of looking at the poverty data, uh, which Countries have the lowest or the highest poverty levels, um, of those remaining few, you know, the, um, cost to do it, the range and scope of, uh, these programs and a lot more like making phone calls and zoom calls with people who have been there in person and saying, yes, I've, I've seen it or yes, I've seen that. And these are my concerns. So, um. Yeah, it's an art and a science. Yeah,
I really appreciate about Lane too, is there is this, um, I mean, Lane's an engineer, Andrew studied physics at Duke, which is not easy. And, um, so, like, there is this, this, um, desire to be quantitative and objective in our approach, but, you know, when we were getting through the end of the process, like one of the things Lane said was, you know, we need to, we need to also establish a human connection. Like this isn't just a. Machine like this is there.
There are conversations by the time we get to the point where we're, we're actually serious about a program where.
You know, it's like, okay, this, they check the boxes with their monitoring evaluation, um, you know, documentation with the, the cost equivalencies that we're seeing here, then it becomes, okay, who, who are these people, you know, and so we do, um, it's not just quantitative, like there are, there are real relationships that get formed with these nonprofits, and I think that actually really matters a lot because that gives us a chance to ask some deeper questions. Thanks.
Um, and also to, um, and it becomes an ongoing relationship, you know, like it's not just a one time grant. It's a, you know, there, there, there's communication, there's, um, trust, you know, there's this desire to, really, it's a partner to, to make a deep impact. I've seen that in Lane, anyone who knows Lane Kemp knows he's just super relational and, um, you know, it's, it's, it's not a, It's not a formula.
There are formulas involved, um, but it's, you know, and this is, I think, also true about the best private equity firms. I think if we were to contrast what we're doing, um, with private equity, it's just the different, I mean, obvious, the biggest obvious ones. This is a different bottom line, you know, like the goal is not the performance of a business, the financial performance of a business. The goal is.
Human lives, escaping poverty, achieving, flourishing, and like doing that, you know, investing that to the glory of God. Um, so it's, it's, um, you know, I like to say, the motivation, hopefully, for all of us in our work is, is love. Um, and you can do investing from anywhere. a place of love. Please don't hear me say that. Um, you can, um, but, yeah, but, you know, there's something about giving money away for free.
You're not getting it back, um, just to benefit other people, strangers, that I think is spiritually formational for all of us to grow into kind of like Jesus. Jesus y love, um, that I think is unique to the act of, of effective generosity.
Amen amen
tangent there, Brandon,
I love what you guys are doing. It's so cool. And it's so like next level. I just think, I mean, and Blaine, you've talked about like. It's sort of basic if you think about like how effective are you in doing the thing that you say you're going to do that? It's a very simple question, but it's really difficult to to create the documentation like you're saying.
And then for somebody on the outside as a. Uh, donor giver investor in the analogy to basically look at all these organizations across the world and understand who's doing what. And so you guys kind of step in at that place doing that due diligence. So it's very, very cool. And I love it. So I guess to to kind of wrap up is that there were two organizations.
That made it through this process that are doing what they say they're going to do and they're doing it really well And so the two organizations are musana and plant with purpose So lane i'll start with you. Tell me about these organizations and and What they're doing and why you're excited to add them to the portfolio
we really came down to a final four if you compare it to like a NCAA basketball analogy, but we had a final four that kind of stood above the rest. And we, you know, it's a public fund, so we're able to give as much as we pull together. It takes about 50 grand to add an organization to our portfolio on top of what we normally distribute out quarterly, uh, to the programs in our portfolio. So we had funding and room for in our portfolio for two, two of those four.
And so we took a lot of time looking at those four and chose, uh, number one was plant with purpose. I would say fairly by far, uh, it was very, very clear. They, They also focus on the M. P. I. Then measure. I mean, they do randomized control trials. They measure outcomes really well, which makes our job really easy because they when we say prove it, they proved it. And, um, sometimes that's not so easy getting that on. They proved it really well. So what they do is essentially savings groups.
So village and loans associations, micro finance, and they do it through the local church. And they also combine that with, um, ag development, like regenerative, uh, ag, uh, training. So teaching rural farmers, which are, uh, most of those who are impoverished in developing countries are rural farmers, teaching them improved farming methods, giving them access to banking. And, uh, the impact is pretty amazing.
Um, I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, but I know they, I believe, tripled their savings. Uh, when they go through the program, uh, I believe they cut their, uh, poverty level in half. So 55% of, uh, people who go through the program, uh, they reduce their MPI by 55%. And, uh, it's pretty amazing. So we're specifically partnering with Plant With Purpose in four countries. So Burundi, uh, the DRC, Ethiopia and Tanzania. And it's a really, uh, rather large. program.
So it's 790 local churches, 61, 000 farming households, about 360, 000 people. And it's over what they call watersheds, 28 watersheds. So that's a whole another story. Maybe when we get the plan with purpose folks on to explain what that is. But basically it's land covering about 5000 square So, yeah, we're very excited about Plant With Purpose. I don't know if you guys have anything else to add on them.
It sounds like another program in your portfolio called seed effect. I know they do some microfinance and, and, uh, savings groups and things like that. And they're very effective. They have really great data collection and things like that. I'm very excited to see the effect part of the portfolio, but it sounds very similar in that way, except for adding some of that ag element. I think it would be a little bit more unique, but it's really cool. Hmm.
know, with consulting the experts, I have several years of having already looked at seed effect, very familiar with VSLAs and savings groups and the ins and outs of that. But, um, they do a lot of environmental restoration as well because they've just made an association between land degradation and poverty. because they're mostly rural farmers and I mean Haiti is an obvious case study for this.
Um, when I evacuated Haiti and went from Haiti to the DR because we couldn't make it to Port au Prince safely, uh, it's like as soon as you cross the border, it's the same land. As soon as you cross the border, it's forested and beautiful, but Haiti is deforested and, um, obviously in more poverty. So.
That reminds me. I just finished this book over my shoulder as a window berries Collection of essays called the world ending fire and he talks so much about our connection to the land obviously, it's it's window berry if you're familiar, but But just that idea that our like hope and our future is actually the topsoil and the land and local cultures and climate And all of that so it's cool that they have that kind of element have made that connection That's awesome.
yeah.
Okay. So the second, uh, we can talk more about playing with purpose maybe, but the second, uh, organization is Musana. So tell us a little bit about that one.
Yeah, Musana is a very interesting one. And so what they do is they actually use donations as capital investments and building Ugandan led, Ugandan owned enterprises, i. e. hospitals, schools. You know, like hotels, restaurants, but particularly we're focused on the hospitals and schools. So primary education, secondary education, uh, D I T training, which is more vocational training. And these hospitals are Fully comprehensive.
I mean, so if I go to the hospital down the road, very similar, you know, you can deliver babies, have surgeries, X, Y and Z. You know, there's also disease prevention and care, uh, there. So we saw is in Uganda, but they're scaling to be in seven more districts in Uganda to, um, yeah, start these hospitals, start these schools and they'll use the donations to build them, get them operating.
But once they're operating, they're completely, uh, self sustaining, meaning they don't need our donations anymore, which has a compounding effect on your impact per dollar, uh, which helped them add up. Pretty quickly. And the fact that they focus on secondary education is also really powerful with the MPI because one of the indices in the MPI is years of schooling.
And that's where, as we're looking at a lot of education organizations, many of them focus in primary education, which is great, but where you see the biggest need and the developing world is actually in secondary education. As you see a huge drop off of kids who go to primary school and then don't go to secondary school. And now Musana is helping.
Kids have affordable access to really high quality secondary schools, which kicks that MPI in the sea of the years of schooling and directly attacks that. So,
So this would be like high school? Is that a secondary school? Yeah, right, cool. Amazing.
I add one thing on this in the education piece? One of my favorite studies on education, and I think this shows how a lot of the factors in the MPI are interrelated. But, um, so there's an increase in your income, The more educated you are in low income countries and in America, but, um, but I think what's really interesting about that is it doesn't jump your income as an adult doesn't jump just when you graduate high school, um, like the effect is not having the degree.
The effect is actually the education itself. So to go to have one more year of education, like if you, if you make it. To 11th grade, you're going to make more money as an adult than you can make it to 10th grade, um, and low income countries. And so that just shows, I think, just how powerful education in particular is where it's the, the effect of that is, you know, and there's other compounding effects to have more educated population is more likely to.
You know, maintain a democracy, you know, to your, there's a study that in, um, uh, the book bottom billion, um, from by Paul Collier, he says, countries in Africa are more likely to have an overthrow of a corrupt government and become more democratic if more people are educated, you know, so we talked a lot about like, you know, in Africa, especially corruption, government issues.
Um, but actually investing in education is one of the best things we can do for the long run chances of a country becoming more democratic because people are more involved in the political process, they have kind of higher standards for their leaders, um, anyways, education is a great investment, and I think,
Fascinating.
um, that's, yeah, so that's, um, just some of my favorite things to think about with that,
It's what strikes me is Africa. It's it's especially important in Africa that that window, because if you look at demographic statistics, I saw this in a pitch for a venture capital fund that's focused just on on African businesses. And one of the things that they were talking about was if you look at growth rates around the world and age groups around the world, Africa.
Has a much younger population and it's also a faster growing population, especially among males But its growth rate from 18 to 35 year olds was like through the roof And so you can you kind of extrapolate that for the next cohort down the younger cohort. That'll be in like a high school You know entering kind of a college age group um, it's it's fascinating how many people there are in africa that fit that demographic and also how fast they're growing and so You Investing in their education.
I can imagine it's like massive. It can be massively helpful.
yeah. I mean, hospitals and schools, like, both of those are human capital investments, and I just think, you know, I just believe the best returns you can possibly get are by investing in human capital, um, and that's because human beings are, are God's, you know, in the name of God, we are creative agents in this world, and so as we Develop people, you know, now by just helping them be healthy and well educated, you know, they're the ones who are going to change their countries and find the
innovations and the solutions to, um, their own problems.
Amen. Amen. Cool. Well, uh, so you've got this screening process narrowed it down. There were four finalists and two made it through. And so now as we are approaching Christmas time, it is a, a key time of the year for people to, uh, work toward their charitable giving. A lot of times for tax reasons, but it's also just a generous time of year. And so, uh, there are probably listeners that are like, cool, this sounds amazing. Now what? So what, Lane, Brian, Andrew, now what?
You have these organizations. What do you recommend people do?
Can I take this one?
Yeah. I mean, it's pretty straight, straight forward. I mean, all, all four of us on this call are members of the fund. So we, I mean, these are the most effective programs and the most unreached and impoverished places. There's no reason they should not get fully funded. And we right now I think have like 70 million worth of giving opportunity or like giving opportunities. potential in our fund. Meaning if if we pulled together 70 million tomorrow, we could fund these programs completely. And,
if you have 70 million in a donor advice, funder foundation, uh,
Give us a
for real. yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think, you know, I think, like I said, like. This is about love. I think we have to center love in conversations around philanthropy. The root words of philanthropy are literally love people. I think as Christians, like, the highest ethic, the highest virtue, and our faith is love. Jesus tells us this is the most important commandment. Um, and then Paul says if we give all that we have and do not have love, we gain nothing.
Um, and so I think, yeah, I mean, come, genuinely, come join us.
And let, you know, like actually maybe start by taking a moment and You know to remember the poor like paul says and in in this holiday season to just remember that like all the things we have are just great blessings from the lord and um, And you know a lot of people around the world hundreds of millions of people are still in extreme dire destitute poverty in the world and The reality is what lane has built Gives all of us an opportunity to do something about that that we can have confidence
is actually going to work um and You know, and Andrew's done the differential equations on the Delta MPI and which is a, which is a piecewise function with in the calculus gets really messy. I don't. Yeah. I mean, I, I'm not even joking with that, but, um, So anyways, yes, I heartily endorse as someone who does not work for all access international I work with all access. I do not work for lynn. I say join me in giving to all access to fight global poverty
And I would say go look at the materials that these two organizations put on the website. Like read about them for yourself. Our, our goal, you know, as people who work for and with all access is to do this work and to create a fund that has very effective charities in it, but you can feel free to check our work. And we think that if you do, you'll see the same things in them that we did.
Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right, Andrew. It's, uh, our hope. My goal is that if anybody took this process and did it themselves, they would come out with Very similar, if not the same portfolio. So, um, that's our job as a public fund. Uh, this is free and fair, just like our elections should be. Um, but it's, uh, yeah, that's the,
go there for it
um, but no, I mean, that's, that's the hope is that, um, this is very, very objective and, um, so, um, So come give with us to these things and come check out the data and go see for yourself if you want to
That's right. That's one of the things I love most about all accesses is the transparency that it's like, Hey, check out our records, check our math. Like, like go check out these things. If you do it yourself, you'll find the same conclusion. I love that.
land that you say give with us and that is true like all four of us give to the front And you know, it's it's not give to us. It's actually give with us.
Join your friends. I think the communal aspect of that is really neat as well.
Yeah,
And Brian would also encourage you to go see wicked. It's a great movie. And for your holiday spirits.
Yeah, yep, um Yep, go see it. I was impressed. Better than The Wizard of Oz,
That's great. Uh,
but
Well, gentlemen, thank you so much for this. I love the evaluation process that you have, the rigor behind it, the analogy between, you know, financial investing that people I think are more familiar with than they are on the nonprofit giving philanthropic side of things. And so to to bridge those two worlds, I think it's really cool. And what you guys are doing to the heart behind it. The effort that it took.
I know like all year you guys have been working on this and doing some really amazing things. And so I'm grateful because I don't have to do that because I don't know differential equations cause I'm a creative writing major and I don't know math. Um, but I'm just really appreciate the work that you guys are doing. And I'm excited about 2025 with these new programs and more people getting involved.
Amen.
let's do it.
do it. All right, well, Merry Christmas and uh, I guess we'll see you in the new year.
Merry Christmas, Brandon.
Bye guys.
Bye.
Bye.
