What Does Victory Against Iran Actually Look Like? With National Security Expert Frank Gaffney

to many of you. You should go to his latest website, band Sharia dot cozit dot com or dot org, Frank dot com, dot Combansharia dot com. We're gonna talk about that in a second. He also is involved with something called the Institute for the American Future Usfuture dot org for that and just somebod who's very knowledgeable about all

things jihad fry. Let's start there, because the big thing going on right now in all the news is the Iran war, and I feel like, we have a lot of mutual friends who don't see the logic behind Trump trying to destroy Iron's nuclear capabilities, And there's some arguments that I understand, and a lot of them are watching play out. There are a lot of unforeseen downstream of facts.

Whenever you get involved in war of this nature with a pretty sophisticated, pretty big power halfway around the world, things never go perfectly according to plan. But I feel like there are a lot of people who I think have been pretty smart on national security foreign policy issues for a long time who didn't understand that, well, maybe it's a pretty good idea to not have an Iranian government with nuclear weapons. It just seemed like something was

pretty fundamental. We talked about that for a while and then somehow that got lost at the beginning of the war. All that to say, where do you think we're at with this thing with Iran? What's your take overall? I think we're in the end game.

But I think what is now in prospect is the playing out of the end of the security apparatus that keeps the Iranian regime in power, and that without it, I believe that people of Iran to take matters into their own hands. I'm prayed that this would have happened a long time before. Now. The conditions have not been ripe because the guys with the guns are still exclusively

the jihadist government guys. But I believe that's changing, and I think that more to the point, what is crippling the whole operation is that the money is being cut off, and typically that does have a bearing on the willingness of yeah, even ideologically committed you know, Seria supremacists I call them, because at some point you can't eat, you can't feed your family, you can't you know, stay in business, and all of that is very much a work in progress.

I will stipulate, but I think it's moving in the right direction at last. And I just pray that President Trump is going to stay the course because I think if he does, he wins. If he doesn't, he loses, as does America.

face that comes down. And how what's the plan in arming them? And is there potentially any sort of a opposition leadership that could inspire the people, because that's one where we talk about all the time, but I just don't see one emerging.

They've got plenty of weapons. The thing that will tip the balance, I think, and I would strongly recommend, is letting the Israelis resume what they were doing with considerable effect before this, namely having Iranian opposition elements providing targeting information about where the IRGC or the besiegee they're sort of sugs were holding checkpoints or having sniper positions or

what have you. Let the Israelis level that battle space, and then I think you create especially if the funds are cutting, you are literally being cut off and the regime cannot pay the military. I believe they will be part of the solution to this problem. I think they've not been part of the problem for quite some time.

But I think that's also because we haven't been attacking them, but we have been going after the security apparatus and rightly so what's the opposition leadership that's going to emerge from all of this? I don't know. I don't have any sense that anybody else does either. Who's on the ground inside Iran? Who could emerge? Are there people there? Surely there are. I mean this, as is often noted, a very very sophisticated populace. They've wanted a regime change

for forty seven years, many of them. I think there's almost certainly efforts that have been made that we're unaware of that are going to bring that forward. You know, is the Crown Prince player? I don't know. He certainly looks good to us, but he's not been in Iran for fifty years? Does it look good to them? You hear his name repeated oftentimes in these demonstrations. Does that mean they want him? I don't know. Could he get

there and survive? I don't know. But what I do think is what is the alternative to what we have known? Is going to be better? And I think we need to work for it.

involved in the straight. I can picture that we set up a system where we're kind of controlling the tolls, making sure Ron gets something so they can rebuild their country so long as they keep cooperating. Maybe we wet our beak a little bit. I can picture that, But just an American presence in Iran on the ground, kind of negotiating with the various parties doing regime change, it just sounds I can't totally picture it. Can you get there?

able to persist? I think that's a possibility. But I do think that the more rigorous we are in rooting out from above and with the help of the Israelis the elements of the apparatus that has preserved these guys in power, the more likely we're going to have alternatives that are actually very much aligned with our interests and

those of the Iranian people. Is it a bankable proposition? No, But is it likely to be better than what we've been subjected to and they've been subjected to one hundred percent.

then we'll eventually get a deal done. But I do feel like domestically the real enemy to President Trump, and I want you to evaluate this statement. The real enemy is coming domestic because there's so many people who are trying to root against him for whatever reason, because they want to see him fail, They want to see the

Republicans lose the midterms. They want to prove their own theory that if Trump does it, it must be wrong, which a lot of people have just staked a lot of their credibility on Trump being wrong on this stuff. And so it just feels like he has a bit of a ticking clock in terms of how much pressure the US media, the Democrat establishment, and even members of the Mega Coalition can put on him to wrap this

thing up. And I feel like that this is his body language when he's speaking, I does not convey that he's nervous I'll tell you that.

And you know, I think demonstrating to all of the people that you mentioned, You're right there are at least those many factions and probably others that are rooting for our defeat or at least Trump's defeat, that they were wrong and he was right.

He is joking, but he's not joking when he makes fun of he doesn't know who's in charge over there, because they have a huge apparatus where they're going to run every decision all a million different directions before they can approve it. It sounds like a very slow, arduous process to even talk to these people. And Trump hates that stuff. He likes to move fast, cut deals, move on with his life, and all of this pointed towards

he was going to invade introspect. It made sense to me, But I don't think any of this was really sold that well to even our side, people who tend to support the president.

I think that you're right. We do want to make sure that people who have as a central tenet of their Sharia supremacist agenda, the apocalypse. You really don't want to have folks like that having the means to bring it about, whether it's against Israel or whether it's as you say, a long range ballistic missile against places in

this country or otherwise. This is the key point to me and why I'm so you know, really insistent that it would have been helpful if we had said this won't be over until the guys who have that ideology, that guys who have brought the world to say nothing of the Iranian people such you know, devastating terrorism and other threats are gone. Are not just gone, you know, two or three levels down, but are gone period. They

are no longer in business. There is another group that is going to be aligning that country where where the overwhelming population wants to be, namely with Western civilization instead of trying to destroy it.

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a little while longer. But I'm sure Aaron is aware of this, and they feel like that their best move is just to try to keep us frustrated as long as humanly possible. What are your best and worst case scenarios here as this plays out?

what is unacceptable. That's my worst case scenario is that we will either simply give up for the reasons you've mentioned, domestic political pressures among them, or we will accept some kind of you know, false piece. You know they call them Hudnah's in the Middle East, and keeping with the tradition of the so called perfect man Mohammed, who on any number of occasions would make a deal with some adversary when he was in a losing position, and then he would use the time to regroup and rearm and

then go back at it under better circumstances. And that's what these guys are hoping to do. My best case is the one we've talked about. I think it is that you actually are at a point where the people who have kept that regime going are no longer able or willing to do so, and the people who have been desperate for forty odd years to have this nightmare end

are able to actually call the shots. Those you know, BESIGI and those IRGC and so on will be out of business, hopefully out of the country, and the people who are left are going to be people who want, at the macro level at the minimum, not to be threatening the rest of us with either jihad or any other variant you want to call terrorism. And that better yet want to be part of Western civilization. About what that world would look like, Alex, I mean, it is

so much to be aspired for. I just I'm sick to my stomach at what people who are rooting for that team are espousing. You know, it's like the Gays for Palestine, for Heaven's sake, right nuts.

I'm going to ask you. I think there are some micro examples that are really concerning right now, and I want to go through some of those, but start with the premise Sharia supremacism, could it really come here in the United States?

and has elements in this country and the like. The thing that makes me craziest Alex and I have to tell you I miss our conversations because it was often a corrective to this sort of thing. But we have mutual friends, yeah, who are all about the problem of sharia inside the United States, have been doing you know, heroic work calling it out, warning about it, trying to mobilize people, helping, among other things, to get one point nine million Texans to vote for a proposition on March third,

saying five words, Texas should prohibituarial law. But they don't seem to get that it is basically the same thing that we're dealing with over there, and the guys who we're dealing with over there want desperately to ensure that we're subjected to it here. So are there micro examples of how this is metastasizing in this country? You bet? And I'm all about it. This is why we're running a campaign we called Starting in Texas, Save Texas, Save America,

because we must mobilize truly. I mean, it's not just a campaign, it's a movement that's needed here to try to ensure that the guys who have been beavering away at this for over sixty years, notably, primarily not exclusively, the Muslim Brotherhood, are unable to subvert our constitutional republic from within by this kind of well, I call it frog boiling. It's not the violent kind of jihad at

the moment, though that could change at any time. But it's the stealthy civilization jihad they call it, and they've been hard at it. And whether it's building out the infrastructure of mosques and madrases and you know, Islamic centers and front groups and terrorist cells, or whether it's just you know, getting an epic city built here, or you know, a Mamdani taking over in New York City, or a lieutenant governor taking over in Virginia, or any number of

others ham Tramic, dearborn, you know, you name it. Where you're seeing people do, among other thingstoral jihad. And this is a very dangerous thing because as we're watching in Britain. By block voting in close elections, Muslims can get either a Muslim who is a Sharia supremacist. Not all of them are, but the ones who aren't are called apostates, and they generally don't put their head above the parapet

because they'll get it cut off. But the ones who are Sharia supremacists are the ones that are now in the four and they believe, as in Britain, as in the Netherlands, as in Belgium, as in Germany, as in Italy, as in France, as in Sweden, they're winning and we must disabuse them of that notion. And the only way I can think to do it is by making this banning Sharia a national voting issue. And to that end, we've got something we call the Sharia Free Pledge at

Mansharia dot com, which I hope everyone listens. Will ask a candidate who is seeking their vote to sign a pledge saying I pledge to my constituents in my district and the American people that I will oppose the imposition

of Sharia in America. That's what we need people to embrace, and if we do, I think we save this country from the faith that these guys have in mind for us, which is the end of the republic and just another part of a global califate with slavery on all kinds of other horrors abounding in America.

and other kinds of jihadism. We're we're not celebrating, you know, the birth of Jesus Christ, for example, or even Mohammad.

up cheapening the days that are already off. I think that was the whole point at Juneteenth, which I could see an argument that June teenth is worth acknowledging, but it clearly was designed to take away from July fourth, And the same way when we went from Washington and Lincoln's birthday to President's Day, we took two great holidays and made it one stupid one. And it was like it was, but we don't learn lessons. That's the thing that frustrates me more than anything else, living in a

blue state and having always lived in blue areas. They don't learn lessons, and that's the thing. So then I wonder do they not learn lessons intentionally? Is this to your point? Is this really about trying to get a more suria supremacist normalizing that attitude in the areas they can.

be realized. And once they are, then they'll fight it out amongst themselves. So I would say that it's not that these communists are not learning lessons. I think they are learning the right lessons from their perspective, which is the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Anything I can do to sow chaos will be good for us.

The worse the better. And at the end of the day, we will have a reckoning with these jihatis and it will be messy, you can bet, but they will have their global order in prospect and fight, i'm sure, ferociously against each other over it, but we'll be gone in the meantime.

of our power grid. This country will not be this country if the lights go off, And every single one of these bad guys, including by the way, the Iranian regime, not only has thought hard about how do they do that to us, but they've put into place, in various ways, the capability to make it happen, and we have not

taken this seriously. I mean, the larger problem is that counter intelligence amounts to at this point little other than see something, say something as an exhortation, but here's the kicker, my friend. If you don't know what you're looking for, because nobody's talking to you about it, let alone what you need to be particularly worried about protecting, there's not much to talk about when you say something, and that's unacceptable.

We really need, as I've put it for some time, a war footing in this country in which we're protecting those kind of vulnerabilities, those assets that we can't live without, and that we are aggressively working to identify and neutralize enemies within of whichever stripe. If you don't do that, you are just sitting on a ticking timebine, and that's totally irresponsible and I think unacceptable.

already are. It's the where do we lose this, like, where do we lose the actual feeling like, well, there are real bad guys out there who and a lot of them are very, very motivated to do harm to us, and we're just kind of coasting sometimes.

takes a will to resist. And that's where this camp pain. To save Texas and save America, I think as an example, we need help urgently to make sure that we don't keep turning a blind eye to what's going on here and hoping that it won't actually eventuate with what they

tell us. And I know that you're watching this, but the YouTube and you know, the Internet are awash with statements of jihadis on the one hand, and communists on the other, and globalist for that matter, all saying, you know, we're going to win, We're going to succeed in defeating the United States, and they're not wrong if we don't step up. And you know, my favorite line is Ronald Reagan's old one about every generation faces an existential threat

to freedom. It hasn't passed on and through their bloodstream. It has to be fought for and protected. And you know what he sometimes said, this is a closer because it's so powerful. I always encourage people to pay attention to this. He said, if we don't do that, we will spend our sunset years, telling our children and our children's children what it was like to live in the United States when men were free.

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for today. First one, I want to speak directly to the America first audience, which is the vast majority of both of our audiences, and for people who are are asking how is the Ron wore America first? Make the case to that audience, specifically.

That is the essence of America first, as far as I'm concerned, and I find myself profoundly distressed by people who profess a commitment to that principle and who don't see how central this is to it.

nobody actually knows this is so. But a group called Open Doors USA, of course, has an annual tally of the number of Christians they believe are being heavily persecuted, not just your guarden variety, you know, unpleasantness, but being tortured by being in prison, by being raped, by having there's stuff taken, by being murdered in many cases. That number today, alex is estimated to be three hundred and eighty eight million Christians. That's more than every man, woman

and child in the United States. Nigeria happens to be getting some attention at last, because this isn't every day horrifically ghoulishly, demonically horrible form of persecution. These people are simply being outright hacked to death, in many cases, murdered for no reason other than they follow Jesus Christ. Oh, maybe they've got a piece of land, or they've got cattle, or they've got some property that people want, but they'll

get But unless we change the calculation, Alex. And this is why we put together a group called Save the Persecuted Christians about ten years ago. Now, I think is to not just try to relieve the suffering of all of these Christians who are being horribly treated. And it's not just by Muslims, most of them are, but it's you know, it's the North Koreans, it's the Chinese as well.

But to actually hold the people who are doing the persecuting accountable and create disincentives for them to do so, because otherwise it's all upside You get their stuff, you kill them, that takes to you, to Alla and all that.

That's totally unacceptable. And what Donald Trump did, to his great credit, I believe it was on Christmas Day, if I'm not mistaken, he launched an attack on a gaggle of I think it was Bocohram or other jihadis in Nigeria and killed a whole bunch of them, and for a short time there was a little bit of relief. But he's not holding the government accountable. He's not creating

disincentives to that government as he must. And this is one of the things that we're encouraging, not just there, but elsewhere around the world as well.