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The AI Policy Podcast

Center for Strategic and International Studies
Join CSIS’s Gregory C. Allen, senior adviser with the Wadhwani AI Centers, on a deep dive into the world of AI policy. Every two weeks, tune in for insightful discussions regarding AI policy regulation, innovation, national security, and geopolitics. The AI Policy Podcast is by the Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies at CSIS, a bipartisan think-tank in Washington, D.C.
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Episodes

Trump's AI Chip Licensing Deal, AI Spending Bubble Concerns, & New Advances for Gov't AI Adoption

In this episode, we'll break down the Trump administration’s new licensing agreement with Nvidia and AMD for semiconductor exports and what this development means for U.S. national security (00:35), explore concerns about an AI-driven economic bubble (22:17), and unpack recent advancements for the federal government's adoption AI after the U.S. General Services Administration approved OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google as vendors (37:18).

Aug 14, 202546 min

H20 Export Dispute and Industry Responses to the EU AI Code of Practice

In this episode, we cover the renewed debate over U.S. approval of Nvidia’s H20 chip exports to China, from political pushback in Washington to reactions in Beijing (00:30). We also examine how the AI industry is responding to the EU AI Code of Practice and the reasons some companies are choosing not to sign (44:53). Read Gregory C. Allen's report on DeepSeek here . Watch or listen to our event with OSTP Director Michael Kratsios here ....

Aug 07, 20251 hr 6 min

Unpacking the White House AI Action Plan with OSTP Director Michael Kratsios

On July 30, the CSIS Wadhwani AI Center hosted Michael Kratsios, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy for a discussion breaking down the recently released AI Action Plan and discuss the Trump administration’s vision for U.S. AI leadership and innovation amid strategic competition with China. As the thirteenth Director of the White House OSTP, Mr. Kratsios oversees the development and execution of the nation’s science and technology policy agenda. He leads the Trump...

Jul 31, 202549 min

In Memoriam: Andrew Schwartz, Our Friend and Colleague

In this special episode, we honor the life of Andrew Schwartz, Chief Communications Officer at CSIS and beloved co-host of this podcast. Andrew was a mentor, a friend, and a tireless champion of the CSIS Wadhwani AI Center’s work. His humor, personal stories, and passion shaped this show and left a lasting impact on all of us. Our team, our community, and CSIS will miss him deeply.

Jul 29, 20259 min

China's AI Industrial Policy with Kyle Chan

In this episode, we are joined by Kyle Chan, postdoctoral researcher at Princeton’s Sociology Department and adjunct researcher at the RAND Corporation, to explore China's approach to AI industrial policy. We discuss the fundamentals of industrial policy and how it operates in China's digital technology sector (4:15), the evolution of China's AI industrial policy toolkit and its impact on companies (19:29), China's current AI priorities, protectionism strategies, and adoption patterns (47:05), a...

Jul 16, 20251 hr 25 min

Senate Strikes AI Law Moratorium, Courts Rule on Copyright Cases, and Congress Talks AGI

In this episode, we cover the Senate's vote to remove the moratorium on state AI laws from the reconciliation bill (00:38), the latest AI copyright court rulings involving Meta and Anthropic (7:38), key takeaways from the House Select Committee on China's AI hearing (20:55), and the latest developments surrounding DeepSeek, including export control impacts and military ties (27:45).

Jul 02, 202534 min

AI, Cybersecurity, and Securing Model Weights with Miles Brundage and Chris Rohlf

In this episode, we’re joined by Miles Brundage, independent AI policy researcher and former Head of Policy Research at OpenAI, and Chris Rohlf, Security Engineer at Meta and cybersecurity expert. We cover the fundamentals of cybersecurity today (9:20), whether AI is tipping the offense-defense balance (21:00), the critical challenge of securing AI model weights (34:55), the debate over “AI security doomerism” (1:03:15), and how policymakers can strengthen incentives to secure AI systems (1:08:4...

Jun 27, 20251 hr 17 min

Shield AI’s Ryan Tseng on Building an Autonomous Future for the DOD

On June 9, 2025, the CSIS Wadhwani AI Center hosted Ryan Tseng , Co-Founder and President of Shield AI, a company building AI-powered software to enable autonomous capabilities for defense and national security. Mr. Tseng leads strategic partnerships with defense and policy leaders across the United States and internationally. Under his leadership, Shield AI secured major contracts with the U.S. Special Operations Command, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy, while expanding internationally with o...

Jun 10, 202551 min

AI in the “Big Beautiful Bill” and Safety Concerns About Anthropic’s Newest Model

In this episode, we discuss House Republicans’ proposed moratorium on state and local AI laws (00:57), break down AI-related appropriations across the executive branch (18:54), and unpack the safety issues and safeguards of Anthropic's newest model, Claude Opus 4 (26:51). Correction: In this episode, a quote was incorrectly attributed directly to Rep. Laurel Lee (R-Fla.). The statement—“Should the provision be stripped from the Senate reconciliation bill, some Republicans are eyeing separate leg...

Jun 04, 202533 min

The AI Diffusion Rule is Rescinded, AI Executives Testify Before Congress, & AI Adoption in the IRS

In this episode, we discuss the Trump administration’s decision to rescind the AI Diffusion Framework (1:34), the message of top AI executives in their recent Senate testimony (20:03), what AI adoption could mean for the IRS (35:15), the U.S. Copyright Office’s latest report on generative AI training (44:44), and what AI policy might look like in the new papacy (49:24).

May 14, 202553 min

Scale AI’s Alexandr Wang on Securing U.S. AI Leadership

On May 1, 2025 , the CSIS Wadhwani AI Center hosted Alexandr Wang , Founder and CEO of Scale AI, a company accelerating AI development by delivering expert-level data and technology solutions to leading AI labs, multinational enterprises, and governments. He shared his insights on key issues shaping the future of AI policy, such as U.S.-China AI competition, international AI governance, and the new administration’s approach to AI innovation, regulation, and global standards. Alexandr founded Sca...

May 02, 202551 min

A New Vision for Advancing AI Governance with Andrew Freedman

In this episode of the AI Policy Podcast , Wadhwani AI Center Director Gregory C. Allen is joined by Andrew Freedman , Chief Strategic Officer at Fathom, an organization whose mission is to find, build, and scale the solutions needed to help society transition to a world with AI. They will discuss the origins and purpose of Fathom, key initiatives shaping AI policy around the country such as California Senate Bill 813 , and the new administration's approach to AI governance. They will also unpac...

Apr 16, 202548 min

Tariffs, Nvidia’s H20 Export Control Exemption, and OMB’s New AI Guidance

In this episode, we discuss what the Trump administration’s tariffs mean for the US AI ecosystem (2:42), reporting that Nvidia’s H20s will be exempt from export controls (8:58), the latest AI guidance from the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) (12:48), and the EU’s AI Continent Action Plan (17:07).

Apr 10, 202520 min

Mapping Chinese AI Regulation with Matt Sheehan

In this episode, we are joined by Matt Sheehan, fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. We discuss the evolution of China's AI policymaking process over the past decade (6:45), the key institutions shaping Chinese AI policy today (44:30), and the changing nature of China's attitude to AI safety (50:55).

Apr 02, 20251 hr 9 min

The State and Local AI Regulation Landscape with Dean Ball

In this episode of the AI Policy Podcast, Wadhwani AI Center Director Gregory C. Allen is joined by Dean Ball, Research Fellow in the Artificial Intelligence & Progress Project at George Mason University’s Mercatus Center. They will discuss how state and local governments are approaching AI regulation, what factors are shaping these efforts, where state and local efforts intersect, and how a fractured approach to governance might affect the AI policy landscape. In addition to his role at the...

Mar 19, 202553 min

Deepseek Report, Manus AI, and the DOD’s New Acquisition Approach

In this episode, we discuss the Wadhwani AI Center’s latest publication on the implications of DeepSeek for the future of export controls (0:40), Chinese company Manus AI (9:05), what Secretary Hegseth’s memo means for the DOD AI ecosystem (15:27), and xAI’s acquisition of 1 million square feet for its new data center in Memphis (21:28).

Mar 12, 202525 min

The UAE's AI Ambitions

In this special episode, we are joined by Georgia Adamson, Research Associate at the CSIS Wadhwani AI Center, Lennart Heim, Associate Information Scientist at RAND, and Sam Winter-Levy, Fellow for Technology and International Affairs at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. We outline the biggest takeaways from our recent report about the UAE's role in the global AI race (2:34), the details of the Microsoft-G42 deal (17:21), our assessment of the UAE-China relationship when it comes to...

Mar 04, 202553 min

Grok 3, DOGE, and Xi Jinping's Meeting with DeepSeek

In our first video episode, we discuss xAI's release of the Grok 3 family of models, the Department of Government Efficiency's (DOGE) impact on the federal AI workforce, Xi Jinping's meeting with major Chinese AI company executives, and what the Evo-2 model could mean for the future of biology.

Feb 25, 202535 min

Unpacking the AI Action Summit

In this special episode, Greg breaks down his biggest takeaways from the Paris AI Action Summit. He discusses France’s goals for the summit (5:05), Vice President JD Vance’s speech about the US vision for AI (12:16), the EU’s approach to the convening (17:13), why the US and UK did not sign the summit declaration (20:50), and the rebranded UK AI Security Institute (23:20).

Feb 14, 202533 min

DeepSeek Deep Dive

In this crossover episode with Truth of the Matter, we discuss the origins of Chinese AI Company DeepSeek (0:55), the release of its DeepSeek R1 model and what it means for the future of U.S.- China AI competition (3:05), why it prompted such a massive reaction by U.S. policymakers and the U.S. stock market (14:04), and the Trump administration's response (24:03)

Jan 29, 202529 min

Week 1 of the Trump administration, AGI timelines, and DeepSeek

In this episode, we break down President Trump's repeal of the the Biden administration's Executive Order (EO) on AI (1:00), the release of the America First Trade Policy memorandum (9:52), and the Trump administration's own AI EO (15:02). We are then joined by Lennart Heim, Senior Information Scientist at the RAND Corporation to discuss the Stargate announcement (20:40), how AI company CEOs are talking about AGI (38:36), and why the latest models from DeepSeek matter (52:02).

Jan 27, 20251 hr 22 min

Executive Order on AI and Energy Infrastructure - Emergency Podcast 2.0

In this special episode of the AI Policy Podcast, Andrew, Greg, and CSIS Energy Security and Climate Change Program Director Joseph Majkut discuss the Biden administration's Executive Order on Advancing United States Leadership in Artificial Intelligence Infrastructure. They consider the motivation for this measure and its primary goals (1:07), its reception among AI and hyperscaler companies (12:18), and how the Trump administration might approach AI and energy (17:50).

Jan 14, 202523 min

AI Diffusion Framework - Emergency Podcast

In this pressing episode, we break down the release of the Biden administration's Framework for Artificial Intelligence Diffusion. We discuss the rationale for this latest control (0:52), and its reception among major AI and semiconductor firms (8:14), U.S. allies (17:15), and the incoming administration (19:48).

Jan 13, 202528 min

U.S. Priorities for Domestic and International AI Governance with Ben Buchanan

On this special episode, Wadhwani AI Center director Gregory C. Allen is joined by Dr. Ben Buchanan, the White House Special Advisor for AI. They discuss the Biden administration's biggest AI policy achievements including the AI Bill of Rights, the AI Safety Institute, and the Hiroshima AI process, and the National Security Memorandum on AI.

Dec 17, 202450 min
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