What? Listen, scissors. If by some twist of fit you're listening to this, listen, I produce music. I can help you with your comeback, man. Just listen. I'll do the most. I'll do the most man. Time into your Kenyan roots for that? Oh man, no. Yeah. Yeah, imagine how. It'd be interesting, wouldn't it? That would be. It would be so crazy, bro. The. Yo, what's up? And welcome to episode 71.
Yes, we're on the 70s of the 30% podcast hosted by yours truly, AFAM and my Co host Yours. Rather falsely, Sam. And this is the 30% Podcast, which you can stream on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and sadly guys, Google Podcast is dead. They can't do this to us, man. Queue the Funeral Music. Moment of Silence. Dead Sam Moment of Silence for for Google podcast. That's my good. That's my podcast app. Like, I'm sad. I'm not.
I'm not Sam. I'm not listening to podcasts on Spotify. I'm so sorry. Spotify is for music, solely music. This whole video thing they're doing now, I'm cool. And their video is laggy by the way. Sam, could you kindly say a few, say a few kind words for? I actually don't care that much about Google Podcast, but here we go. Well, OK, if you wouldn't, I will. I will Google. What can I say. What an amazing guy. What a what a what an amazing guy put took me through some of
my highs and some of my lows. I. Discovered a bunch of really good podcasts on Google Podcast. They held me down during COVID. No, no, no, no. I have nice words to say. Google podcasts helped me down. Held me down during COVID. I tried all the other podcasts. Don't step on my No, no, no, no, no. I would not. I would not let you say you. You said you didn't have words, so let kindly let me get my shit off and then you. OK, So yeah, and listen, I discovered. Is this really what the people
want to hear on there? I loved the user interface. It was simple. It was very white. That sounds racist, but OK in general? Where? Are we going with this? Podcast We will miss you. You are loved. Farm. It's just an app, bro. It's just an app. It's fine. All of this. No one wants to hear you. Give a eulogy to Google podcast. It doesn't matter.
I'm pretty sure there is somebody out there who finds this a very sentimental moment, and we and for and and if you were listening to this right now, I am with you. I like to think our audience is slightly cooler than that, but all right. Anyway, aside from Google Podcast, you can also find us on social media at which you can find us at. Our ad Is the 30% Pod.
Social media in question would be Instagram, X Threads, Tiktok and LinkedIn. Do you think the other apps are like cowering in fear, waiting for their time to be discontinued? No, Google has. Wait, Google has been cancelling a lot of things though, so I I I get it. Yeah, yeah, Google be cancelling things, man. Apparently in Google if you're not successful in like if you're not giving them. Profits in like I. Don't even know a few months.
But podcasting, like Google Podcast has been has been around for a minute. So yeah. But you know what? This is actually very worrying though. On a serious note, Sam, like podcasting, is on a downhill trip. If we are being honest, you think, yes, Not not. I think so. It genuinely is. If you look at even the layoffs that have been happening in Spotify, they've really downsized their their, their
podcasting department. They've gone over 200 layoffs on the podcasting department in Spotify. Now. Google Podcast has been shut down. I don't know. I think. I think the Industry In General's focus has completely shifted off of podcasts. I think the age of podcasting, especially like in the West, I guess is it's it's it's on its back. It's done. Yeah. Oh, well. Anyway, Sam, how have you been? I speak to podcast as we are on a podcast. Dang, how? No, man, we're not doing me.
How have you been? Bro is out there. Bro. Bro is. Bro is out there living there. What do they call the American? What do they call that thing? The American Dream? Is that what it is? The white picket fans a dog and a white can. Dream if you're white. I'm saying you can only leave it if you're white. I don't think so. I think anyone can leave. There's in there's there's Asians and and and Europeans that go to America to leave the American dream.
Some of them are not white. Well, the Europeans are. All right, This is going to be, this is very racy now. I don't want to do this. It's. Uncomfortable. You're taking a hole. For yourself, it's gone. It's uncomfortable. What's that meant? How is the? 232. What's the area code? 1. Of course America made itself number one, man. Yo, man, that's such a main character country. Such a main character country. How is the one? How is the Yeah? It doesn't even. Sound.
It doesn't sound. How is the one? The two saying the 254. There's this culture. There's depth to it. How is the one man? What's? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's going on out there? It's been it's been it's been a very eventful past few weeks. Just been dealing with the whole move and everything, but I believe I am settling down well in this good old country called the United States of America. Yeah, man, I'm ready to to, you know, get my new life started, I guess.
New life. Yeah, looking forward, excited. Thank you for asking. Yeah, I didn't. Was there anything else you wanted to know, really? This whatever information you want to volunteer towards this weekend now, man, it's just just finding out how you do. America is OK. I hope you're keeping your head, your head about you. Yeah, so. So I went on a cruise. I was lucky. Enough to go. Oh, you're going to leave that one out, aren't you? Afram was on a cruise.
A big boat. No, I wasn't going to leave it out. Yeah, I went went on a cruise and this cruise was departed from Miami and it went to Dominican Republic as well as the Bahamas. So yeah, man, I've been out here, man. Yeah, it's it's just been really good travelling. Cruise sounds, cruise sounds fun, but then I don't know, man. Like when it's dark and you're on the outside and it's just it's just darkness. I don't know.
Oh, trust me, you never you don't really realize you're on a boat because you know those ships are so huge and and there's so much activities to do. Like, you don't even like even at night you don't even realize you're on a boat like. And because they're so big they barely like, like, what do you call it, boy? Or move around so you don't really like feel. Really. Ownership. I feel like it would be scary, man. I feel like, I don't know. It's not.
Scary. The ocean is I've not been on I've not been on water much but the ocean just seems like it's just it's just not a very. See, I'm not a I'm not a fan of water and stuff, but like, I wasn't scared the whole time. Oh, that's cool. But anyway, if you're inside the whole time, it's basically it's a it's a hotel on the water. So it's it's, yeah. Essentially, it's essentially bad. That's cool. Let's dope. How about? Yourself, bro. What you been up to?
I have been I've in all honesty I've had. I've had I've had one of the it's just been a really bad run of weeks but but but we're good man. Just working, been, you know trying to, trying to get to the money, trying. To. Survive in this Nairobi? Yeah, Grinding, grinding, as they say I've been Grinding, grinding. But that's that man, chilling. Anything interesting? Nothing much, actually. Nothing interesting. Yeah, I need, I need to get some excitement in my life. That's that. OK.
I mean that's that's fair. But listen, as much as so I feel like we've been gone for a while because the, you know most the, the the past two podcasts have been interviews. So we haven't really talked about like current events. So I feel like there's a lot that has happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Since we last did like a current events podcast. One of them being the whole thing with Davido. Yeah. So the was just, was, was recently held.
And yeah, I mean it looks like the the concert was good. I guess I've not seen like as many bad opinions as we usually see when Nigerians come around here. Like when Davido and and Burner Boy and has Whiskid ever come to Kenya? It usually is just those three. Yes, Whiskid has been here. Whiskid came to Kenya even back in the day before he blew up. Oh yeah. So yeah, it looks like it looks like Davido, remember? Did a good show, Sam. Remember, Whiskid was on was on
Camp Muller's debut album. Yeah, he Oh my goodness. He was Oh no, I need to look better. If not, is the album. Whiskid, whiskid, whiskid, whiskid fox with us, man. He's down. He's he's down with the. He's down with the culture. He's down the well. That was a long time ago. We've not seen any collaboration since then. Maybe we need to revive the risk, it said. Oh, by the way, during the break risk, it said that people stop telling him he's an Afrobeat artist. So. Oh, what is he then?
Yeah, he he was actually very rude about it. Like he posted a post like stop calling me an Afrobeat artist. He was just it's just it's just it's just just I guess he was maybe that maybe no. Listen, that's actually triggering. That's triggering. One thing you can never do is is shit. On your fan base, these are the guys who who that? Yeah, that gave you your notoriety, man. Why you like, listen, I understand. I understand where artists come from.
They're like, oh, I'm an artist. Like, you know what I mean? Like I don't want. To be, yeah, yeah. But you don't do. That by, But you don't do that by putting down something else. Sure, you can say I'm an artist. I'd like not to be boxed into anything, but like, OK, fine, but don't go about it by saying you don't call me an Afrobeats artist. This is what this is what he said you can. Disrespect the very people that put you on this. Is what he said. He said listen, am I African? Yes.
But do I make all sorts of music? I don't want this labeled just Afrobeats. Whisk, it said. That's like saying every American artist mixed rap. Wait, what was good? That's not true. Those are not the same thing. Those are not. That's Those are not the same thing though. But I would assume an artist like, no, listen now then assume an artist like Whiz kid has APR team that would like kind of like be like yeah maybe. These guys will be having Twitter.
Oh no, Oh no. But his next, his next statement makes sense. This is why no matter how good or amazing the music we make, beat, R&B or whatever other genre, we get nominated in one Africa category or the other. I've made songs from different genres of music, bro. But that's the system dog. Like that's that's what we're doing like. No, no, listen, I understand. I understand what he's saying. It's just how you deliver it that that's the issue that I have an issue with.
Because like, yes, what he's saying is true. The industry likes to box you into like really neat like bow like boxes with yeah, put a nice pretty bow on it like because like even like this is the same thing that Tyler, the Creator was fighting against. Like he said, he made an alternative album and they just want to give you rap album. Just because. Like Tyler, the Creator has been a rapper like in the past. They like to do shit like that, just like so you can stay in your lane.
I mean the a recent example of somebody who's been fighting the good fight would be, I mean, Lil Nas X with the country stuff and even Beyoncé. But I know Beyoncé, they're gone. They have to bro. They have to put on the country charts, man. Like, if they don't, then that's blatantly racist. But anyway, yeah, they really do like to put people in boxes. I see that. But like, the way you say things matters, you know? What I mean, I mean.
Sure, maybe I understand. Is Afrobeat like his whiskid? Is Afrobeat like. We get it though and and and if we're looking at his his catalogue he hasn't done too much music that isn't Afrobeat. Maybe he's had he had that one reggae song with her. He's had a few reggae joints with. It's really just Afrobeat and reggae. I've not heard him on like like even pop like we've had someone like an IRA star.
Bunna boy has done hip hop. The video has done RMB like traditional what do you call it RMB. He's he's hopped on some of those Whiskey has just really done Afrobeat, Afrobeat, Afrobeat. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't want the whiskey committee to come for me. Anyway. What were we talking about? Oh, David Doe. David Doe? Yeah. So David Doe was here for the the thing. It was cool. I mean, I obviously didn't go because I didn't. But I have not heard.
We've not heard like as much negative press about. We're speaking Speaking of negative press. We've not heard as much negative press about it. But the main story here, yo, what is the media up? To wait, actually, even before you, the main story here Sam, has April Fools fallen off? This like, OK, so so here's my here's my thing. Everyone should know that any news that's given on the 1st of April, do not believe it.
You can't. Why are people still falling for it's 2024. We've had so many of these like you should be at least at least a baseline skepticism. You should wake up with that on the 1st of April every year. Yes, it's ridiculous. April Fools has fallen off, man they used to be. Fine. April Fools doesn't hit. I feel like it doesn't hit the same way that you still, man. Doesn't spark as much a joy. No, it doesn't. I feel like everything people do on AP Fools just feels corny now.
And. Curated. Maybe it's just me, I don't know. No. Yeah. No, it's not. It's not. It's. Not, but Speaking of Corny Man K24, what the? What are you all doing? What are you guys doing? What? What is that? I have no idea what they were trying there, Sam. That's. You know, that's really crazy. Like like you're putting someone's whole, whole like, like he could have been arrested for that kind of stuff. Like those are not. There's levels to this because you see the thing, the problem.
The problem is 1. Not everybody, like you were saying, is is clued in on the waking up on April the 1st and being skeptical. Skeptical about the things that they read, right? So there's people who would see that and be like wait, wait, what? And then even even drugs. What they're talking about. Exactly. And and even if and even if, like, people are like, Oh yeah, like, but there's some people who will be like, huh, But maybe you never know. Like, keep by the. You know what I mean?
So it starts to start. Exactly. Yeah. And she, yeah, David was guessing David wasn't having that at all. No, it's just ridiculous. Like it's such weird cloud chasey media, like heated for that, that was. But don't they have like, I thought, I thought me, I thought the way media companies works is like whenever like there's an article, I thought there's like levels of which there's like clearance. Like this person says OK yes, and then the next person says OK yes, and then the next person
says maybe not. And then it ends there all like there's like a chain of like you have to like. It's that's what that one seems like. Like the Indians had a great idea and took it. And they're like, Oh yeah, let's run with that, let's run with that. And he jokes, too. Let's run with that. With that. Give ourselves more. Yeah. No, this was this wasn't the move. If they were looking for notoriety, though, they've got it. Man. Like the K24 has been published on like, everything.
I was even reading the article in the Washington Post and everything. That's great for them. They're not getting any money from them. You know what? You know what's happening though? They have to pay up money for if. If David actually goes up for the lawsuit, now they have to, They have to cover up money for like legal fees and stuff, which is not smart. This is an expensive. This was expensive for them. This should be expensive for them. It's it's ridiculous. Come on, do.
You think? Do you think Davido is justified in suing them? I think so. I think I think so. And I think if I'm being honest, I think he should just so that we can. I know it's kind of harsh because they it was supposed to be a joke and maybe they are. I'm sure they sent letters and emails and called him personally to apologize. But when you start holding people accountable for this kind of things, it's because this is ridiculous.
In this case, OK, fine, maybe David Doe can can fight and and prove that you know what, but but in a in a case where it's, it will be less likely to believe David Doe. Maybe because of where he's from, the kind of, you know how things go, kind of country he's from or race or something like that. And he actually gets into like legal trouble and he's locked up like that. That could be like that could be detrimental to an artist's
career. Like that could really mess up an artist's bag, bag, bag for sure. So it's really it's it's reckless is what it is. It's reckless for no real, no real tangible reason except that we participated in a fad. We participated in, in, in. I. So. I was just going to say I wholeheartedly, wholeheartedly agree. Yeah, I think it's justified. I think there's levels to like. April Fools should always be like things that aren't harmless. You know what I. Mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Porsche. Porsche said that they are creating a shovel. That's that's great. We like that. We like to see that. But don't say Davido. Was arrested or or or or if we had posted something like the 30% podcast will be rebranding to the 40% podcast Like, OK, that's fine, Like, totally. Exciting by. Doing that, you know what I mean. That doesn't seem so if you're doing that.
We have to say that 30% podcast is beefing with another podcast to make it seem if you're just rebranding that's that's is that much of an April nobody. But I get what you saying. I get to say. I get to. Say, I'm just saying like, it's harmless, like, you know what I mean? It's like at the end of the day, nobody's gonna be like, you know, a bit. So yeah, I feel like there's levels to to what an April Fool's joke should be. And I think that was taking it
too far. And I think he's justified in taking them to court. He sued, he sued A Nigerian company before and he won because they they put, they put out defamatory things about him. So because he he seems like, I mean he he maybe he's like really just really just uptight about his not uptight, really stringent about his reputation. So I think you should go for it just just so that you can teach like media lesson. Like y'all can just be reckless.
Yes, y'all can be reckless. With they'll probably end up settling, but like, you know, just lost. Money for no. Reason. Jeez, if you're fool. For no reason, I'm sure the interns who had that idea. But they're no, they're they're not interns No more. They don't. But, but it's also but also the blame should go on the the, the higher ups because the higher ups should surely have seen that and said this cannot go out. So I think the blame should go
across the board for that. It's craziness. It's crazy. Well, shout outs to everybody involved and prayers to everybody. In they're going to meet their giant Hope you'll have good lawyers. All righty. I hope they have the lawyers, man. OK, where do you want to go from here bro? What are we doing? What are we doing? There's a lot to choose from. There was an interesting
article. There was an interesting article about Chimanu. He was saying he refers to himself as a retired Kenyan pop star. How? How did you feel reading that, even if it might have been like just light hearted and like jokey? Maybe he's not being serious, but like, yeah, like, there's always some seriousness in like. Oh no. Yeah. There's always seriousness and you know, and timing is very important in terms of like a joke, right.
And this joke is coming after after S Isol have have, have have S isol is done for now, as they say. So I don't know, It's interesting. Timano is a, I mean he's he's, he's been part of the group, held them down. People are doing different things with their lives. I guess it happens and we've talked about groups before. It happens like people are just doing, they're going different directions. They want to do that. Him, maybe he's a retired pop
star. We don't know whether he's going to try and be a different type of star. But in terms of like his kind of music, maybe he's done, maybe he's done. I don't, I really don't have much to say, honestly. I probably heard. But he's, he's held us down. He's been part of the group. We've enjoyed him in the group, we've enjoyed his music and what's that I hate to say? So let me ask some Yeah, let me.
So let me ask because I'm looking at the video and it's a, it's a video of him like mowing his lawn and stuff like that and his kind of just saying that like you know, this is now his new reality. You know, it's not working. So it's it's also, it's also tongue in cheek, right? But I wanted to have like now off of, off of Chimano, right, Just to have a conversation about the group, like the group dynamic in music groups, right. So this is just a reality,
right? In every music group, there's going to be different personalities in said group, right? And the life cycle of a group is always the group comes out, everybody is on equal footing. But always the with the group, there always comes to be like 1 breakout start and then there's always an individual in the group who is very instrumental to the inner workings of the group but doesn't get the recognition that they deserve.
And then there's always the people in the group who kind of just like are very talented, yes, but are they're coasting, you know they're just, they're ghosts. They're not that they add numbers, and please I am this is off of Sautiso, but not. Really bad because because we're having this conversation because of of of such. So so people don't completely, no, but people don't completely push push it out of this. I get what you're saying.
No, no, no, no, no. That it's it's it's part of the conversation, but I am not talking about that situation. And then there's always the people in the group who, yes, are talented, yes, add to the group, but they they don't necessarily receive the same. Notoriety. What's the word? Acclaim and notoriety as certain members, Right. So what happens to like, OK, like if we use Destiny, everyone likes to use Destiny's Child.
There's all. There's always a, a term that has become like a pop culture reference now where somebody says, oh, so and so is the Beyoncé of the group, right? Like even when, when, when, when, when Ray Shermard broke up, everyone was like, Sway Lee is the Beyoncé of the group,
right? So what happens to the artist who always gets left out in that situation, like when the group like, Because with the life cycle of a group, it always comes to an end where somebody wants to go solo and the group decides, you know what, let's just go in our own ventures. That always happens, right? What happens, man, in that situation? How? How like I feel like nothing prepares you as an artist to have to deal with that. Like, you know, it's. Kind of unfortunate though isn't it?
Like you're in a group and you're talented and you're moving along, but just because someone else in the group has more, it's almost like the stars are more aligned for them in terms of like fame and fortune and all of that business. Like you you're just and people can be brutal. People will be forgetting if you if you don't outrightly go out and and make yourself a star fam.
Yeah, it's it's over and and we've seen that a lot, a lot of these artists, a lot of people in the group, some of them, we don't even know their names. They just fizzle out. They just fizzle out into do they've come dancers, they they they maybe start record labels and and try to sign people. I don't know. But it's unfortunate, but it's the way it is. We can't. There's nothing you can do about it. But I think what you can do is OK.
How do you now? Start beefing with the Ah, see, that's sorry, sorry, sorry to interrupt, but that's that's the people. Other others will start beefing. Start beefing with the main guy and and start exposing secrets about the group. And that's how you keep your cloud up. That's what to do in this situation. Just start some beef when in doubt. Beef. No, no, no. No when in doubt. That's beef. That's bad advice. Do not follow what Sam is saying right now.
Sam is being a warmonger. That's true. When in doubt, beef, look at what's happening in hip hop. Guys are just chilling all of us. I did. Now there's just beef. Oh like bro, are you seeing what's happening with Pharrell and? That broke my heart. That broke my heart. That broke my heart. That that. Me. I'm on Chad's side if anything happens, Why? Why are you just taking the introvert side? Just because he can't do that? You can't do that.
You can't. You can't assign underdog to someone who you don't know the full story. I am on his side, whatever happens. Chad and Hugo fighting Chad, Chad and Hugo. Chad and Hugo are part of like the Neptunes and in like the there's a period where they're on like what, 6070% of radio, just their songs. So they're like really successful. But, but, but don't you think like that Neptune sound is is like I feel like when when Pharrell is out here producing on his own shit like.
It's not the Neptune. It's not, Yeah. A lot of people have said that, though may feel like chat brings. I feel like Chad brings the Neptune sound out of like when they're both collab like. It's true. And this yeah, and this actually relates to the the whole topic of the group because Chad, Chad, Hugo is usually seen as the the in fact for a long time people didn't really like like mess with him like that just because
he's like silent. He he minds his own business and then Pharrell is obviously Pharrell, he's out there, he's making moves, producing for everyone and all that business. But you can't this back to you. You can't just take Chad's side, like we don't know what the contract said and because Pharrell is a louder one, he's going to always come out as a bully. So we don't know. But I hope that's resolved. The Neptunes is definitely like
a big part of music as a whole. So but yeah man, listen, Chad is Chad. Chad is probably facing it too. He's he's not as popular as a group and he's he has to. It's almost like Timberland. Timberland The other guy who used to produce with Timberland, what's what's his name? Wait, there was a guy who used to produce the timber? All this, a lot of his songs. Ah, let me see, what's his name? What's his name? What? This is how I find out Timberland was part of a do.
I didn't know the part of well, he was sort of sort of part of. I think they're almost known as a a do. So let me let me check. I have to find this out now because. Timberland and Magoo. Isn't my go? No, it's not my go. My go was a was a actually IPI think my go, my go passed away. I'm. Coming off as so. Informed. Right now I don't know. You are? What's this guy's name? What's this song by Rihanna? I think it's the only Rihanna song I actually like. OK.
But anyway, so the point you're trying to bring across is that he used to do production with somebody and. Yeah, and that guy is not known as much that. They deserve. But I can't. I can't find this. Yeah, that's crazy. Because I don't even know. I didn't even know that Timberland had, like, help or like, somebody producing with him. Yeah. But anyway, that's, that's that's that's crazy, that's what. Happens. Yeah. I mean, listen, the thing about groups is they're always a bit dicey.
And if you're an artist like before, you join a group like, like, bro, like, even like with Ethan Muziki, right? He had told us that he was part of a group and he left like and and and look at his career now. It's like doing so much better, like, and I'm not trying to say that. Like, what am I trying to say? No. It's OK Just, I know you're being nice and trying to be politically correct. It's fine. We know what we're not trying to say. Just say what? Just say what you're saying.
No. No, no. I'm just trying to say sometimes like it makes sense for for somebody who's obviously the breakout star to kind of like breakout like BN, the Saudi soul breaking up works really well for BN, right, if we're being honest. Because like now you know, he can do collaborations with Ira Steich and do collaborations with like whoever he he wants to right now. And this is not to say the other artists can can't do the same thing.
But listen, people are here for BN, you know what I mean? So he he, if I'm him, like it's like, yeah, like the group, the group is important. And yes, they're taking a hiatus. Never forget what the group brought, because the group is what brought you into our ears and our faces and our eyes. But and so never take that for granted, but like bro, well, anyway, so I guess it's an interest, but I'm interested to see where all the members of the of. Salty.
Soul Land, you know, Obviously I can see Fancy Fingers is really. Really. Yeah, he just put on that album with all the other ladies. Show all the ladies something. Yeah, yeah, He just put on an album. Yeah, so Fancy Fingers is really like, yeah, exactly. And so, I mean, let's see. Safari is doing music to next man. I mean, he's doing a solo, so it just seems like Chimano is the one who. And he's also going on to it, right? Yeah, going. Have they? They're not gone yet, right? No, no.
Is that true? March. March, right? No, no, no, no but going. Right. Yeah, he's going on. Tour Who is Savara tagging along? With Nashinsky, it's so it's Nashinsky is taking Savara, and I see this guy from Uganda E. Nice. Can't remember? But yeah, so you see, it's fire. It's fire. I hope all of them land where they they need. To land where they're most useful. Shout out to them what else was in the news, Sam. What else was in the news? I don't know. We could go.
We could go. We could go. Yeah. So I I I bumped into, bumped into an interesting, interesting the the algorithm Gods blessed me with an interesting little article about Caesars. Caesars, of course, apparently 18 years ago, disappeared from the Kenyan scene after dropping a smash. A smash. Sorry, sorry. Sorry to interrupt you, but it's been so long that somebody's an adult who can legally drink since he disappeared. Okay. Since he disappeared. Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah.
So scissors. I mean scissors. He dropped I'm Ko Katiki. And that song I still getting played today. It it's it's it took over. Chickie, Villa, Monza and I would come another chase a drum. Bam, bam, bam bam. There we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a joint, you know. Because you have a chance. But see, Kolkata came, bro. What a banger, bro. It's really. It's really interesting because I think, I think that song was made as as part of a competition.
Can you believe that made as part of a competition. And I I think he won the competition. He was supposed to get some money for it but there was thinking all this money. But yeah so it is. This is an article talking about he the family and and in in light of a disappearance and the family just just collecting his his royalties prior to his disappearance he won a whole bunch of awards and stuff like that but but I mean the song the song was really viral and everything but then it obviously
died down. Now see this is not here to collect so people have to collect on his behalf. So so I mean it is it is for me it was just an I don't want to go on for too long. It is an interesting article saying how how because you don't really think about some of these
acts especially the older ones. I think the the default our default thoughts, our default thought process is maybe their business wasn't right or or the label or you know how we usually go about these things, the business the label is on who took all the money. So it's interesting to see this actually play out in front of us with with someone else and it's been more complicated now and that he's not around to fight himself. So it's. So what's the What's the article saying?
Because because what I'm reading is they're saying an international recording label is, is to release Caesar's new music. New music that's that's interesting. Well, new music. So there's that angle. I was also I also, and we'll get to that. I also read the angle of of a certain Muse Makassi, which often pointed out to me that his father, that's his father, right. And so Muse Makassi and him being called Caesar's is, I don't know, we just did the math and it kind of blew my mind.
So he muse Mccassey was talking about how he's not, it says. That I never, no, I was just going to say I just, I never knew that that was the back story behind. Him behind his name. Caesars, because his father is called Abdul Makasi, so it just makes sense. Makasi not know? Yeah, it makes sense. So anyways, Makasi, I mean, he's talking about apart from the international label, he's just talking about how he's not
gotten paid from the song. And I think Scissors was on Khalif Khalif, Khalif Records back then, which is one of the top labels. And so he says, if it were not for John Mushiri, A Kenyan journalist in the United Kingdom, he will never have known that the money that the money and Khalif Records and Goma would have continued collecting royalties and wouldn't have given it to them.
So I mean these guys are collecting royalties for the song and the song was really big, but then they didn't pay it out to the family. So I I don't know what the contract looks like obviously, because that's the first thing that we would go to is what to the contract. Who was supposed to get what was paying out what what percentage did Caliph own and all that business.
But if perhaps Caliph Records actually had a contract and they're supposed to pay or the record labels are supposed to pay out to Caesar. Caesar's. Caesar's, I'm calling him Caesar's now Caesar's. And they did not do that, then that's just like it's the same old story that we that we see, right? It's just it's ridiculous. Yeah. So that YouTube, they collected 71,000. We're just pocket. Watching from YouTube pocket
watching. Yeah, Sam. Watching. Yeah, but wait. 71,000 in royalties for 2.5 million views, man. And they're saying, just maybe that's just from YouTube. Yeah, we don't know what they're, what they earned from other places and stuff like. That is that correct? That doesn't seem right. I mean. That seems so low in my opinion. It does. It does. It seems low. Either that or the value of a stream in in in Kenya it's. Short it's short to the ground it's down under.
But yeah I mean I kind of over the over the place with this. I don't know how to feel about this. I'm just I guess I'm just going to see how it how it unfolds but and and hopefully he hopefully the family of the estate because again we don't know what happened to him that's that's still a huge mystery like bro disappeared before our eyes. I hope he's Good, Hope he's OK. We definitely don't have any. It's the biggest mystery in Kenyan. Music. Yeah, we need to put some
detectors on that. We need to get Sherlock Holmes here ASAP. We obviously don't have much faith in what MCSK has paid out to him. And they've they have been collect and they have been collecting royalties for him, but they haven't paid it out, according to Musee Makassi, And this is Musee Makassi's side. There's. I'm pretty sure there's other sides to this. Yeah, this is interesting. If they're releasing new music, what do they mean by new music
after? Is it new music research music or is it music he recorded 18 years ago that they're dropping? And how do you think? It's 8 music he recorded 18 years ago that never got released. How do you think that music? Do you think? That's a good move. I guess that's my. Question, do you think that's a good move to, do you think that's a good move to do that capitalize on on what are they capitalizing on anyway? I don't know. So, so my reason, So OK, who knows where Caesar's today is,
You know what I mean? The thing is, it's kind of weird because like you also have to consider what does the artist themselves want, which, which also is why I don't really. I'm not very comfortable with posthumous releases. I'm not saying that Scissors is dead, we obviously don't know what happened with him. But I'm just saying like because usually the artist like those songs a lot of times are unreleased for a reason, because the artist was not, like comfortable with them. Coming.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And and for me personally, like, beyond monetary gain, obviously, like, I think it's best to also honour the artist's wishes. You know, like if an artist was not releasing music, it's for a reason. Like, I'm sure like, like in the case of like Prince, I know he has a vault of like, because you know that. Dude used to record every. Single day, Yeah. He used to record music every single day. So he has like a hard, like just
a ton of music. But you know how Prince was. I'm sure he would never want that music to see the light of day because he wasn't comfortable with it Being released and your family and your estate, like they like to say, should honour that. I think so. You know, like, did Caesars want this music out? I don't know. If he did then well and good for
it to come out. If he didn't, then you know, I think it's best that music just stays in the talk, as much as it would be interesting to listen to it, you know? Yeah, but I do have one theory. Like some we were talking before the podcast. Like assume by like some twist of fate scissors find found his way back into the live limelight and he was like yo. Roll out, roll out of the Century, Man. Roll out. And then he released Century. Bro. Sam. And then he released music.
Just just bro. That would be a hit. It might. I think it might make international news if we're talking, if we were being honest, it might make international music news like that would be, that would be. An insane an 18 year roll out, Sam. Yeah, 18 years. And now and now I'm back. I'm back. Holy. Yeah. Yeah, What? Yeah, what? I don't know. Listen, Scissors. If by some twist of fit you're listening to this, listen, I produce music. I can help you with your comeback, man. Just listen.
I'll do the most. I'll do the most man. Time into your Kenyan roots for that? Oh man, no. Yeah, yeah. Imagine how? It'd be interesting, wouldn't it? That would be. I almost feel. Weird saying that, though I don't know why. I almost feel weird saying that, but it will be that will be a rollout.
People don't do rollout. It reminded and this is like a weird connection, but it reminds me of the, you know, there's that movie about that boy that was shot over 14 years and then there's another movie that was shot over 40 years. I think like just continue shooting. And then it was edited after it was done and pushed. So that would be like that whole kind of thing like it. It's like long this is long form content for real. To be long form going into the Max.
Yeah, yeah, he's only done this is.
But anyway I'll be following this again it's it's it's just unfortunate that labels and royalty collectors and all this other guys we just aren't at a place where like there's all there's there's a default negative connotation to them like we we it's like they're guilty and until proven innocent that's kind of how we treat them and it's just official like that needs to change at some point you know and stories like this keep proving that over and over and over and over again.
Like of course yeah we don't know everything. We don't know the whole story we don't know what the contracts are like. So but but we can only speculate over what we've been told by MZ. McCarthy. Yeah. And and then I'm reading this like stories, man. You know, people have been been finessed from time immemorial because like, you know, he won. He won the award show. And I'm sure, did you mention about the 100,000? Cash prize. Him. Yeah. And him being only being given 10,000.
And then apparently he was supposed to also be granted 3 songs recorded. And they're saying, also in this same article, that he was the artist who cut and raised for Sean Paul when Sean Paul came to Mombasa in 2004, and apparently even then he wasn't paid. The the only thing that they gained from that whole experience, according to Museum Makassi, was the clout and the fame that came along with that. And it's just like, damn, like our industry has been messed up
for years. It's been and and that's not the only, I mean, we've had stories of other people who've performed in like really big international concerts and they've had to pay for their own sale. This is an award show. Like, I'm not a award show, but it's a competition. Like if you're supposed to make 100,000 from winning, like, then win. You're 100,000. Why are you only paying the guy 10,000? No, no, man. It's slimy. We need to and we're still going through that today.
Like, like like with with other situations that cannot talk about. But then it's the same thing. It's literally the same thing that keeps happening over and over and over and over again. Like at some point, like people have to, we need to. Something needs to change. Yeah, yeah. It's actually disheartening, man, because this is a family who they're probably dealing with like where's, where's, where's our guy?
And then now you have to start fighting with MCSK and them to pay you money that that he's owed, probably legally, contractually. It's like, come on, stop, stop. Just just do the do the right. Thing. Why can't? Why is it so difficult? Why? I don't get it. Let's not get into a rant. Shout out to everyone involved. Involved. So what we can get into is new music. New music. What were you listening to, Sam? Oh, we. Well, maybe. Let me Oh, OK, let me start. Let me start. Let me start.
Just based off of your reaction. So Fenna and Ben Soul released a new song. Keke that that that was good. I also listened to oh produced by Hendrix. Sam always shout out to him. Moro Bars by Umoja Sounds and Frederick Muller Obviously we you know we love Umoja sounds cannot provoke. Yeah doing I I listen. Like when I was listening to the song, I realized Moro Bars is more bars. It's the African richest eight that. Was an interesting, Yeah, that
was an interesting realization. I. Was listening to that shout out to new Funk. He also released the song Be the One. Some new funk just be on his. Vibe. Yeah, New Funk just does his own thing. So shout out to him, man. There was, oh, there was a shout out to Carnival for Voices in the Dunes. You know, Carnival's production is insane, so shout out to him. And then there was Utamu by Razerman Zerwembe, so shout out
to him for that. And then for me I had well, OK, let me just shout out this, this out. First there was Nuka by Sophie, Anzhao, Rexon and Lario, which was fire. Like, I I really loved the melodies that Sophie and Zao was hitting. That's what I listened to. There's one more song I listened to, which I really like, but we we we'll get into it. Uh, huh? Yeah. How about? You some Dang, not too much different. Let's see, let's see, let's see. Nanimjinga by Eric Wainaina. That was cool.
I like to say that Eric Waina is coming out of the woodwork again and like he's released in music more frequently. So that's always cool. And he's working on production with M3 Booger, who's another producer out here. So that's fire. That's fire I'd like. To see cubed. No. Is it cubed? No. Is Is it cubed? No, no, I'm just saying oh. That's good to be shocked, but don't I know it? Aziz was on a song called Dakar Extended Mix with Dean Walker.
And let me get this right, Savage and she Shea. Yeah, I don't know how you pronounce that. It's written differently. Yes. Who else? Who else? Who else? Who else released some music? There was one that I really wanted to shout out. Can't remember. Oh Caterpillar released a song called Brighter Days. Caterpillar is a rapper.
That was interesting. Amir. Explore my mind that was dope and Sona rail Sona I don't know how to pronounce Sona rail but that have vocals on that were really like I really like her melody she sounds like she sounds like if she gets like really nice proper like R&B production she could go hit me up for for some other ITV if you need some R&B production let's see let's see let's see let's see what else was what was yeah I think that's that's that's
what I went through man and just OK. Different stuff, Sam for me, bro. The song that stood out this week I think has to be to Meru. Diana by. I mean Koski, Simon. And Vic WI know, it sounds like it gives you vibes of kaske vibaya. But like listen, if the formula is working, it's working me. For me it's working. I I really still enjoy. It yeah it was. I mean it's it's it's a very familiar Viquez produced the other one. It's the familiar same type of
beat ish, same type of vibe. There's the there's the it's the same. It's it has the same Bob and there's the there's the the vibe, there's the the crowd vocals in the hook. The crowd. There's the play between Furthermore and Saru is Fathermore and Saru. It's just the same, same type of Bob, but but it's actually a banger. It's it. It sounds. I like it. I enjoyed it. I like the energy, the energy of the song for. Sure. I'm a fan. I think they should do a video for that.
I can't wait. I think the video for that would go, yeah, it's actually. So it's not to Saru and to Meru. Yeah, it is like if you listen to the lyrics to that, like, the stories are very. Yeah, they're very. And the flow I enjoyed, I enjoyed the the store. I don't know what's the name for this flow, the stop start flow. I don't know what she's doing, but it's just it's it's really cool. I find it interesting. It's, it's it's new. It's new, but it's different.
But yeah. So I think Sam, I think for our song pick for today, I would love to play Tu Meru Diana by Vic W Father Moore and Saru Saru. Black Market Records. That was to Meru Diana by Victoria W Furthermore, and Saru shout out to them killing it. As always, these guys just know how to make hit songs. They know the formula. And I fuck. With them. So shout out to them, Sam. That's it. I have AI have an important question for you. What side are you on? Let's go. What side am I on?
I need to know the sides first. Give me some more context. There's only You don't even need any context to that question, man. What side are you on? Whose side are you leaning on? I just had a flashback to my Sunday school days. I'm so sorry. I had to list that with some silence, bro. I'm sorry. If you like one thing in podcasting that you can do to somebody, that's not great. Just listen. Science. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The fans are probably like, what
the heck am I listening to? I'm sorry, guys. It Intrusive thoughts. The intrusive thoughts took over. What side am I on? I am on, but I'm on my side, man. I pick me, dawg. What's up? Ah, Sam. I'm talking about the J. Cole Drake versus Kendrick beef man. Bro, I'm on no side. I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm all. Don't be like no side bro. This is. This is. Inspiring this is. Show some cojones, bro. Pick a side. I'm not nobody side. I don't even, to be honest, I don't know what what's the beef
about? What are they what are they Drake. And because what I feel like, listen, I feel like Sam. Let me break it down for you, Sam. Also, Shooter was just like Braga, just bragging. And then I also feel like Kendrick people are taking Kendrick super serious. Like he's actually like going against these guys. I feel like these guys are all friends. They know what's up. Group like hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, They're buying it. OK, so Sam, since time
immemorial. This goes back into the BC times. People fought over, especially men. They fought over a few things. You know, property. Oh no. Yeah, finances. Yeah, yeah. And women. And so Sam, I can tell you, within those three things I have mentioned, right, the fight is within that. I think it's been theorized that Future and Jake are beefing over a girl as always, as all these things always amount to, it's always about fighting over a
girl and stuff like that. These are these are men in their 30s, by the way, anyway. Late 30s. At that late, that is. At that, bro. Anyway, so so that's what sparked the like beef, obviously. Apparently Jake has been slimy because, you know, apparently even the leak, the Drake leak, has something to do with this whole situation. As to how that got leaked and stuff, I don't know. But these are fighting as usual. So and then now Kendrick.
Kendrick I think has there's been, there's been, there's been things, you know, I feel like Kendrick also feels like he's, he's alone. And you know, Jake and and Jake all are Buddy. Buddy. Yeah, yeah, he's been left out. And just just a side note, this whole Big Three thing was started by fans. This is not like them. So they are playing into something the fans dreamt up and now it's becoming a huge thing. Oh, it's not big me. It's just big me like come.
On if we're OK. But if we're talking about sides, man, damn, whose side are you on? Because because right now, OK, whose side am I on, bro? If people people who know me know I'm a Drake and J. Cole fan like so, I'm going to be a gravitate to their side. But I have to be honest, I think like, that is a really, really good song, man. Like Drake's verse on like that is insane. Not Drake. Kendrick. 'S verse it was. It was a It was a show stopper, like what he did.
But how many years ago 7. Years old bro. Bro was going crazy, man. When did he release? That the the the verse on big control, yeah. Control control came out like I want to say it was like 2012 or 13 over there or something like that. Yeah, it's it's, I mean it's not to that scale obviously, but but it's because it's different and everything.
'S different, but some yeah. The the reason why, The reason why I can give some credence to you saying these guys are probably in a WhatsApp group and whatever is because this is this whole thing is coming suspiciously at a time when hip hop needs some like rewritalizing. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, because hip hop. Hip hop is falling. That's a good. That's a. That's a. Anybody who's in the good. Speed will tell you, yeah.
Yeah, anybody who's in the industry will tell you that right now the focus of the of the the major labels and stuff is on world music and and hip hop needed something like. This to kind of revive it, so maybe, so maybe they're playing along. This is feeling a little bit. I don't know if you're if you're a conspiracy theorist like you, you could argue that there is a method to this madness.
I I would. You know what I think I and just because of how it's played out, I think because I mean Drake and and and Cole did the first person shooter, right? And that was dope. And then Kendrick came back and responded with that and then and. Now Jake Cole has. Responded on on his latest. Yeah, on his latest joint, right? But Drake gave us an Instagram. Not an Instagram. He gave us a a A concert rant. In Drake's defence, bro, he's been on tour man, which he's done now, so.
So you think, Do you think we're going to see a response from Drake? I don't think Drake is going to respond. Drake is. What? I don't think he's good. Drake is the king of response. He's going to be doing like Petty. Jobs like he does petty jobs inside in his, in in his. But but he might. He might take some time. He might dedicate. Sometimes. Jake always responds, even if it's true. Like like. Let me what I'll say is the fans, the fans, hip hop fans all
around want to see this. I don't know why, but they just want to see people fighting. Yeah, we. Thrive off of negative energy, unfortunately. So this is, this is tantalizing for a lot of people. Like, people love this. There's threat. So anyway, we'll see how all this plays out. I will be taking a lot of interest actually. See how it goes, I'll. Just be in the sideline. So anyway, watching I. Think you're going to be.
I'll just be on the sidelines watching just just like like how how how how much of an Arsenal fan I am. I'm just on the sidelines I'm not like so invested. I'm just if you're. Oh, by the way, Oh my God, thank you. My new my, oh, my new, oh Oh my God. GGMU, thank you guys so much for what you've done for drawing with Liverpool. I appreciate it from the bottom of my heart. I am an Arsenal fan, of course, because this puts us at the top of the league. We are top of the league.
We are top of the league. We're not saying that we you need to. Say we are top of the league. Thank you for listening to the talk about we are top of the league no one cares about, no Arsenal are. You kidding me? Any guys? Listen. So aside from Arsenal just being an amazing team which you all should support, I want to leave you guys with the three CS that I've been trying to push at the
end of the podcast. Confidence, Please, guys, remember, always remember you all need to be confident in what you're doing, especially if you're in the music industry and people can taste and smell the confidence radiating off of you, man. So you always have to be confident. You also have to be consistent. We talked about this even in the interview we had with Brian Cheger, which by the way, thank you so much Brian Cheger for coming Go. Listen to that if you have. Consistency. Exactly.
Go listen to that if you haven't, he said it himself. Consistency is key. If you're in the music industry, you have to be releasing music at a consistent and strategic basis. And the last thing is your craft. Always, always, always work on your craft, man. Even if it's doing the smallest, most minimal thing you can think of. Yeah, like I don't. Know as long as it's not. Moving backwards, pardon. No, sorry.
I was saying as like even doing small things, as long as you're not moving backwards, you're good. Yeah, like just doing a small thing like reading up on what music distribution is or if you're make, if you make music, watching a tutorial on YouTube. That helps and it contributes to you moving forward in the industry. So always remember those three C's. And with that, Sam, thank you for being an amazing Co host. Bro. That was episode 71, bro. We're in the 70s, man. We're old.
We're in. We're old the 70s. We're in the 70s, man. Yeah man. We wear, We have afterwards and we wear bell bottoms and we go to the disco. OK, don't list that with silence. Sam. Don't do that to me. Silence is a weapon podcast to me. Sam, Silence is a Weapon podcast, so thank you all for listening. Yeah, I'll catch you in episode 72. Sorry. Sorry for doing that. That was rude. My bad. Oh man.