Zero Tolerance w/ Scarlett Lopez

So just in case anyone's picking up on it, Lisa sounds a little bit different.

She's in Montreal.

We all have lives to live, and so she might sound a smidge farther away than usual, but her opinions are all still there.

You're going to hear them. Kara's being really nice. I forgot my cord. Okay, I forgot to hit record. I forgot the chord. My internet's wild. I'm gonna blame the VPN. I'm gonna be like, I get it.

I promise Canada, this is all your fault.

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Done done, Hello says, that's messed up an SVU podcast.

I am Liza Trigger.

And I am Kara Klank and you guys know what's up. Hopefully we talk about an episode of SVU the true credits based on We talked to an amazing guest who usually was in the episode, and first we just chat and catch up and well, I.

Love that you said.

Hopefully, like, hopefully we'll talk about.

Us for you. Of course we will.

No, I mean, wait, wait, didn't I I think I meant hopefully someone that was in the episode. But sometimes we talk to a writer or a director, which I also love, so I don't say you didn't have said hopefully. They're always an amazing guest, whether or not they were on camera or not.

I'm being a little a little bit of a on camera snob bitch.

I know you really mad when that article was like and they talked to extras and you were like, we have never talked to an extra, Thank you very fucking much.

They talked to crazy extras. I was like, we've never talked to an extra, Like never.

No, Sometimes I'll meet people in comics. Little bit I could be on your show. I love SVU, and it's like you can get cast first and then I can talk like are you kidding me?

Do you think we are so okay?

First of all, we did get an inside scoop from our mole on the inside of a Law and Order us for you that the titles with the twenty four characters or twenty three characters like that coordinate with the with the number of the seasons it is is over. Those days are gone, I'm really we don't need any more. Did you believe in miracles? Question Mark? The titles are driving me crazy and so just wanted to bring that to you first breaking news.

Also, we are.

In the time machine, but we need to talk about this Peloton ad. It's like we got we I know, it's like at this point when you guys are listening this episode, it's been a week and a half since that came out, two weeks but wow, did you guys tell us about it?

It's so thrilling. It was thrilling.

And then I did see one or two comments on my Twitter that were like nothing we haven't seen in OZ and it's like, shut up, this is as exciting. Okay, if only seeing someone naked one time was enough, then there wouldn't be porn and playable like what are you talking about?

You want to see it all? And it was just funny.

He's onny n he's funny, he's older, he's jacked, and they do.

The fucking SVU. They got the SVU.

Voiceover at the end, the Law and Order voiceover, like wait, we got.

Another scoop the done done yes that it's based on the sound of a jail cell closing.

Yes, yes, well I had heard that, but I.

Had also heard maybe it was like a gabble banging, but it's the jail cell closing. It's like a stylized jail cell closing.

No, Maloney's hot. I'm I want to know how much he got paid. I want to know how many free pelotons he got. I want to know ions. I bet his daughters do. I don't think any pelotons.

Oh my gosh.

Well, we have a listener that works with the daughter, and we're like, okay, you need to start building up that friendship so that you can slip it to the slip into the information about the pod.

And did Liz you have a commercial too? Or no? Or was that just extra?

I feel like she had Alton One too, But I was too focused on Maloney.

But I could also be making Oh I don't know.

I haven't literally, I mean, this video came out six days ago, and today in our inbox we had like six more people sending it to us. Like every day we just are getting like so many people are like, you've seen this right, So it's truly taken the SVU universe by storms.

So yeah, I don't know. I'll Google the Lizo thing. I don't know.

Do you think he was naked the whole filming or he had a little pouchop.

I bet he's wearing mom's little socks because you know what, Like I think it's like you can't just like I don't know. I think on a commercial it could that be considered like harassment of like the people that are around, like to have your just your dick out when it's going to be blurred.

I don't know.

I feel like you cover it up for other people.

More than for your like for yourself. I don't know. Great question.

If you worked on the Peloton commercial, we need to know about the cock sock. Please let listen know it would be wagging.

Is that what you said?

I was doing so many exercises, like I feel like the blur would be moving.

Yeah, any skin makes like a little cock sock. And he was like really tight in there like she.

Was hanging out with some friends who were shitting on Skim's Hardcore.

Lisa, don't say that. I just ordered a Skim's body suit yesterday. I hope they're good.

They just said that they run really small. Everything is so small, because I did read that Chloe was like, no, one's pussy is that tiny.

Please make it bigger.

But that's all I thought.

That was just like for breast.

But someone that I don't even know who I was with, they were just like they're so tiny.

I literally just bought it. I just bought like a bodysuit thing because I because I.

Heard gray things. I I just heard this one negative thing that.

I was like, I'm going to start shopping for a dress for my brother's wedding and I might as well have shape wear and blah blah blah. So I just ordered it yesterday. So much of it is sold out, like I'm ordering l XL and a lot of it is like a lot of the colors are sold out, but I.

Found one, so I'll report back. And you're wearing a black dress or what? Yes, my brother wants is wearing black? That's not bad? Yeah? No, and you would whatever, You're gonna get a jumpsuit? No, no, no, I think I'm gonna wear a dress, okay, yeah, quart or long.

I've never seen you in a long dress, that don't they.

I think long is like a black tie thing usually, so I don't. This isn't black tie. So I don't think I'll wear long okay, you know, but I have. I mean I've worn long to black tie.

You know.

I hope you don't get injured on the dance floor this time.

I wouldn't trust anything because my brother and I really like to fucking freak out on the dance floor.

Wait, what about his fiance?

Oh he loves he is, Like you know what he does so well, Lisa, He does the duck walk thing.

Oh ja queens.

He gets down on his at like on his like heels, and he does it so well.

My future brother in law Joe. Great.

So it's gonna be a fun fucking wedding.

Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be.

What I just secured the babysitters so that I can ship those kids off and start breaking my knee again. You know.

Oh well, the babysitter come to the wedding and like pick them up.

No, we're going to put them to bed.

And then it's just like a woman sitting there to like text us, we're all still.

I thought she's a flower girl. She is, so she'll be at the wedding parper reception.

We'll put her away, got it, got dancing dinner and all that I think the kids will be gone.

So yeah, I've been rewatching.

I watched season nine to lull me to sleep of drag Race yesterday. Also, I finally understand the pain of Canadians and the UK and everyone who's ever had struggles. It took me two hours to get the VPN working. I didn't know what an applicated.

It was just so much.

But now and now my question is do I leave the VPN on the whole time consistently or only when I'm trying to watch things from America?

Like, I don't know what to do.

Well, if you pay for it, if you leave it on or something I paid for one month, then Casey is nodding, no, not leave it on. No, he's nodding that you don't pay for it, so you might as well just leave it on, right in case you want to go anywhere, because you might be going to other you might be going to Netflix or other shit that isn't working the same way.

Yeah, But and so many Canadian things had season one and then season seven on, but two through six.

Is not here? Isn't that weird? Like what happened?

You guys just couldn't negotiate those five seasons like What's happened?

What's up?

I had no idea, but I finally like usually, I've been very dismissive of the struggle, and now I understand.

Gotcha.

I'm just here saying I am with you obviously. Okay, so I did I listen. I will tell everyone I have a very very small part of Nope.

It's very small.

But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're you're glossing over it. You said Nope so quickly. Nope is the new Jordan Peele movie.

This is huge.

This is huge Jordan Curry, starring Daniel Kluya, starring Svu Alum, Kiky Palmer, and featuring That's Messed Up podcast host Lisa Trager. I'm so excited to see it.

So my hairstylist texted me last night, going, wait, I saw your name in the credits, but she did not see me in the movie at all, so that's kind of funny. But then I did go, okay, so I'll go from the beginning. I since it's such a small part and Universal was being so stingy, I only got tickets to this the cast and cruise screening, and that was very fun. It was a tragic moment that day we found out whatever. It was like a tough day. I think I was too hot, Like I had a

I got into the party. You're going to get into the party?

Well, my agent goes, They're only giving you one ticket to the screening, but I'm sure you can talk your way into the party.

And I didn't even have to try that hard.

I got someone gave me the ticket and bracelet that didn't care. So I was excited. I got to see it again. It's at the Chinese Theater, so I was really, you know, thrilled. I showed up like hours early because I was so pair like scared. My name was not at the tickets, so I had to keep showing my confirmation email. I'm like, I promise I'm in it. Like it was humiliating. But then they're like just here and they gave me a ticket and I got to go in.

Wow, Well where was the party? Oh?

So the party was at the mother Wolf.

Oh wow, I've been wanting to go there.

I know it's the hip place. I had a couple things. So at the party, Bobby Lee left immediately. I was like, hey, I'm gonna like stay by you for a little bit. I don't really know anyone here. He left immediately, and but he and so Nick Kroll and I Barenholts were there, and Nick Kroll I couldn't believe he goes you were my favorite part of the movie, and so that was kind of funny. I liked that so much. But you know, I do know little the community and who is in get Out, who plays the tech.

Yeah. Yeah, so thank god I knew him.

I stood by him and his girlfriend for a long time, next to Jordan, next to everyone. So there's like a photo that Lil Rel, Daniel Kulia, and Jordan Peele took together and I was standing right in front of it, and I wish I had the balls to be like, oh, let me hop in, but I did it.

That would be amazing.

The little boy from US was at the party and he was so cute. And there's a really little cute boy in Nope that is so cute, and he was like he was at the party and I liked.

I like the kids.

I can't wait. I can't wait to watch it. I'm so glad you got I want to go to that restaurant too.

I know, well I talked to the bartenders, of course. I was.

I have not been alone at a party for a while, and I really had to like work out.

I don't know, it was annoying.

It's very like I'm I'm not going to be I'm not trying to be like condescending and say hashtag brave, but I do think it's like brave to be at a party alone.

I truly, if that's me I walk in, I do one loop. I don't see anyone.

I know, I'm out the front door, like I really just can't. I don't have the I don't have it in me, Like I can't strike up conversations with bartender, like I just I need one person.

That's it.

So I know.

I went, that's cool that you stay.

Tiffany Hattis was I mean, I knew enough, but yeah, yeah. And then I worked with some people in the scene, but of course they don't remember some me. I'd go up to these actors and be like, hey, I'm the.

Girl that you know. I'm not gonna ring anything anything. I was like, that was me.

We were on set and they'd be like, okay, well this is my wife and you need to leave.

Breeding guys got it.

But I was alone, just circling. I ran into some people. But you know, knowing little rel is pretty important, you know, that's yeah.

Yeah, I was little relative premiere once too. He's a very very nice person and fun guy to hang out with.

I think, yeah, and I talked about but the bartender told me, if you want to go to mother, well, if you have to make reservations eight days in advance.

Oh okay, I thought you were gonna say months or something. Eight days.

He's had eight days and he was raving. He's like, I worked with a lot of places. They care well.

Blah.

He was the partender, was very into it. They had a drink with like glitter in it and a cloud. There's a lot of whatever. Seeing the movie the second time, I was really grateful for it because it's it's gorgeous, it's beautiful.

It's so good.

The acting is incredible, it's suspenseful, it's funny. It's like it's a great summer fucking horror block back.

Oh I can't wait. I mean, you know, I see his movies and I'm always like, do I understand that? Like I love I love them, but I'm always they make me think so much.

I'm always like, wait, now what did this mean?

Like, I mean us was like really like, but like you know, I got well, yeah, I'm gonna read.

There's a few things where I can't wait till the recap, like the analysis come out, because I do have a couple of questions about certain things. But gotcha, not everything is super clear, but the acting is insane. It was just like really cool and the special effects. I bet it's gonna win Oscars, Like it really was cool and it's exciting to have. I took photos of the titles, what is it?

The credits, but also going to the.

Cast and cruse screening was really cool because I've never it was cool watching the credits with all the crew and so clapping like it was a high school graduation. And it really takes so many people to make a movie.

Totally credits blow my mind, like a live movie credits. If you ever see what like sat through animation credits, it's just like multiple teams in multiple countries like doing all this stuff. It's like wild, how many people work on a movie that's so funny that your friend didn't see you? Because Jared, the same thing happened to Jared.

Did you get caught out?

So no, And it's extra special like being on set, like it was one of the greatest moments of my life, Like I just loved doing that it makes you want to do it more and more. But also you know, all the people we interview on this show, Like my favorite part is looking through people's IMDb credits and like seeing these like long cool careers and where everyone started.

So it just.

Feels yeah special, it's very cool. You guys see me up top. I'm towards the beginning of the film.

Yes, okay, everybody goes see Nope, everybody goes se nope.

And I've been keeping this a secret for so long. I know, I filmed this last May or June. Yeah, wait, like a year ago. Yeah, yeah, crazy, And then they filmed all summer. I mean you got, like the amount of work that went into this. I can't imagine.

They were filming in the desert, like twelve hour days every day all summer long.

Yeah, I can't wait. Okay, I'm gonna go see it.

And Jordan did call me Liza, but it's okay.

As he hugged me, Hey, you gotta hug It was like the wedding Jordan Peele likes you. I mean I was, yeah, I said, thanks for putting me in your movie, and he goes, oh, Liza, and I went, yes, it's me.

Eliza Eliza with a z baby.

It was a who's too And I wanted to go up to Oh the guy from Hacks, the like CEO of debating company, was there and he was dressed great, and I kept wanting to go up to him, and then I didn't.

But it was exciting. He was loving beautifully.

But it is when you get to these places, it's just like any other kind of part, you know what I mean.

Yeah, like, oh wow, a Hollywood premiere.

But it is just like, here's like a little mac and cheese and a container.

Yeah, and a bunch of people like standing around in like small groups being like do we know anyone else here?

I don't know? Should we go? Like?

Yeah, oh, I think I texted you this. But I did talk to one of the actresses in the movie and she's like, what are you doing. I'm like, oh, I'm going to Montreal for the Just for Laughs festival. She was I know about Just for Laughs and she learned about it from The Big Sick Khumel and Emily's movie.

Yeah.

I have to tell Emily that that's so funny. I would say most people don't know about Montreal.

No, you know, the biggest thing of my Oh my god. I talked so one guy who's been a manager for a minute, but I was like, oh, are you going to Montreal? And he goes, I think I've just outgrown it, and it's like, okay.

It's been on hold for two years.

It's just people trying to be cool and it's very yeah, silly and annoying.

Well, we're cool and we have to start our podcast, so let's get our episode going.

It's another heartwarming episode of Law and.

Order RESVU and a crime you won't believe. Stay tuned, all right, here we go episode three of season twenty Zero Tolerance, a really heartwarming episode that aired in the middle of the Trump administration in two thousand and I know.

My favorite was when Kroen went, why are we doing this? Why did we pick this one?

But I always say that, and then we always end up having a good time with it. Okay, So we open on, which is.

Just hard because it's it's like it was happening to It's like not to us, obviously we were not, but it's like it is weird when it's a full current of that and you're in it and you're watching it and you're like, it is like it's just a lot.

Yes, it's like when we did the Row episode, Like it's like just yeah, it's a it's a harder slog than than regular crimes against people.

Yes, someone's good and long and dead. Who cares? Yeah, okay.

So we open on Rollins in her apartment with her daughter Jesse, living my fantasy of getting a child to eat broccoli.

I don't understand.

She goes, Jesse, eat your brocoli, and Jesse's like okay and just starts eating broccoli.

What the fuck? What a magic trick.

She gets a knock at the door and it's doctor al Pollock and he has like the face of an actor, like he has the face of like another like of another actor or something who I've seen my whole life, but it's not this guy. And he just has his face and he is Amanda's on again, off again boyfriend and I in the previous episode we found out that she is pregnant with his child. And in that same episode you see Rollins come back from the bathroom and see and find him giving his number to a waitress.

So you know, like when he.

Comes to the door, she's like, I don't want any like pretends he's a traveling salesman, and then a traveling salesman, I'm like a solicitor. My brain is there's there's in death of a salesman. Yeah, I just don't know if that happens anymore, death of anytime.

Like on Shark Tank, when someone says they sold stuff door to door, Mark Cuban does like a really condescending, fake little clap, like he they love a door to door salesman. They love someone that gets out there and sells and nothing's gonna stop them.

Wow.

Like if on Shark Tank they.

Go, I started with only three hundred dollars, no investors, They're like what, Like they love a struggle because they felt like they struggled.

Sure, wow, I could never do that, like Cutcoast, cutcoa knives could be I was tricked. I thought I got a job, but it wasn't.

I just like for my training, got in a van with a man and then we sold little like fake like weird Disney Computer's door to door and it was humiliating and I didn't know how to get out, and then I never went back. But I like was so excited I got a job, and then it was selling things out of a van. Oh no, a weird man, but maybe he's on shirk.

Ting now who knows, Yeah, little Disney computers.

Okay.

So so he's there with a bunch of sunflowers and she's like, you were giving your number to a waitress and he's like, I was giving her mother my number because the waitress knew I was a cardiologist. Her mom's having a stint put in and just asked me to call her mom to assure her that it's all routine because she's nervous. And Amanda's like buying it, but she's like, well, then,

And I just don't think he has a trustworthy face.

No, But also, why would the waitress know you're a heart surgeon?

Why are you talking to her? Yeah, shady, yeah, a regular lunch spot. I don't know, excuses. And it's like he also previously cheated on her with an escort, so it's like, you know, it's not it's not beyond.

The realm of possibility that he's full of shit.

So Amanda buys it, and she does that thing where she goes it's not really a good time. But then she goes back into the apartment and leaves the door wide open, so obviously, come on in. He immediately starts sucking up to Jesse, high fives. He's really laying it on, like the dad routine, pretty thick. He starts reading her a book and like mooing with her, and Amanda's got this look on her face like, Okay, maybe a baby daddy would be nice to not have to do this

The car speeds off and we're up the credits.

Very two different two different evenings happening for people. Rollins is having her broccoli. This girl's getting pushed out of a car. So now at the top of act one, the gorgeous doctor Darby Wilder played by Evanna Kopa's right is giving the rundown to Vincent and Creasy. She's like, yeah, I'll send you guys the security footage. The girl wouldn't let us run a rape kit, but there's obvious signs

He's not really her uncle. Yeah, Luke's a bad name.

M there's not a lot of good Luke. Yeah, I can't think of Maybe Luke Perry rest in peace. But Luke's like a gross It's like Trevor, It's like just it's kind of a bad name.

Yeah, we're gonna get some messages.

So she says, she says Uncle Luke would never hurt her, but then sent her. But he did send her on a date with one of his friends. So we're not getting a great picture of Uncle Luke here. And he never makes me go back if I don't want to. He loves me, and it's like, yeah, Pimplert, we got to watch out here. So now we're at SVU and Careese is updating Finn and he's like, yeah, the girl was groomed to keep her mouth shut, and there's nothing

So they asked this.

Guy about the driver about Delilah, and he tells the whole story. He's like, I thought it was this guy's daughter. I wanted to call the police, but and Finn's like, you're illegal. And the driver's name is Chinia Ewobe and he's like, I've been your ten years.

I have a wife and kids. You can't send me back. And then he.

Said, like last week, He's like, I got robbed at gunpoint for six hundred dollars and I was too scared to report it. And this is like a huge reason why one of like these immigration policies from Trump were so damaging. It's like people don't report crimes. People feel emboldened to commit crimes against vulnerable populations like this because

It's terrible.

Anyway, Finn, the hero goes, listen if that happens to you again.

Do you remember during this in New York, like delivery drivers were getting reported by like a military base they were delivering to, Like people were reporting the drivers, and so then there was like a no delivery zone and all these people weren't delivering food to like these areas where all these cops lived in military people that were reporting. Oh Jesus, I don't know that. I mean, I hope I'm not telling it wrong. I just remember being like livid. That is super fucked.

Yeah, but they'll go.

I mean, ICE agents were at the Vivaldi shooting, like they're just like the worst people in the world.

Know that that's awful.

Yes, they they show up, we'll talk about it. But they'll show up to any tragedy to like ruin people, or like they'll show up to people's jobs.

They'll go to home like they are bad people. Yeah.

Our friend cut out someone from their lives because their husband was an Ice agent. And she was like, I don't want I'm never talking to you again.

Yeah. Gross, yeah, horrible.

So Finn goes, listen, if this happens to you again, take my card, you call me. You know, Finn helping out people, one person at a time. Finn helps and then he described the driver, describes the dude.

He's like, he was a white guy, forties, gray hair.

I picked him up on twenty fifth Street near the high Line, next to a pizza place. He's got a great memory for this ride. I mean he should I think what happened? Yeah, So they walk out and Finn is like on the phone calling Kreese to help him track this guy down, and Rowlins is insulted. She doesn't like being treated with kid gloves when she's pregnant. We know that she basically wants to be like, you know, strapping a bulletproof vest onto her eight month pregnant belly

Well, you write a little letter sometimes when you want to get into an Airbnb.

Really you're right while you're staying. Like I remember when I was no, but it's not her apartment. Oh my god, Okay, I was like you're writing ATA.

I mean I used to be like if anyone could I illegally airbaby be my place in New York constantly when I would go do comedy and like I would just be like, if you see anyone, you're my friend, Like, don't don't tell anyone, this is Airbnb. Like I had a full setup with every and everyone's like everyone knew.

They were like we know how it is in New York. City, like, don't worry.

So she knows Vince. He's the guest down the hall. They pushed their way into this. The guy comes to the door, they push their way in, asking them all these questions. He's like, I'm in town for the auto show from Cincinnati, and of course Finn knows exactly the dates of the auto show and he's like that was two days ago. And the guy's like, yeah, I'm on my way to Laguardier right now. He's like the world, I hope he's a better muffler salesman than he is

Has called fisherman sandal.

That's a fisherman sandal when it has like the big like woven strap sandal. Yeah, I think so, correct me if I'm wrong. A million dms and he's got excuses, excuses, excuses. He's like, oh, yeah, I went to a movie last night, the new Tom Cruise movie, like the worst liar of all time.

It's like, did you see Mickey Rourke was like shitting on Tom Cruise on television.

I'm sorry, I'm hitting stuff, but I'm eating the stable. Okay. Mickey Rourke was shitting on Tom Cruise.

Yeah, he was on Pierce Morgan being like, fuck Tom Cruise, he's a bad agon.

I'm a better actor.

He was just we see Mickey Rourke because he loves SV and just discovered it a year ago.

I forgot about that. He was just like that fucker doesn't challenge himself. He'sn't playing the same character for twenty years, like Mickey work just had it out for Tom Cruise.

I love it. I hate Tom Cruise. I won't see his movies. So they arrest this guy, not on purpose, but I don't. I've still Mission Impossible one as a child that was a scientology of it all. He's so high up there and it's like there, it's just too it's too. I don't know, should we cut this. I'm so scared of Scientology coming after me. I did a whole I talk about it quietly. Wait, what did we not mention it during the Credo episode? You know?

I rewatched a Credo and it's like, wow, that was so long ago. We talked to Sebastian like, yeah, I.

Was pregnant, my kid's a year old. It was a while ago. Yeah, can the listeners tell we were drinking must Yeah, like my episode is swimming in Vonka soda. Okay, Oh we have fun, Yeah we do.

We have a good time.

So so they arrest the guy and he's like, oh, is seeing a movie in New York a crime now? And they're like, no, but rape is And then Rollin's does the old oops a daisy and shoves the guy into a door frame on the way out, And this show really does love to flirt with police brutality, you know, just a little just shove a guy's head against a like a banister or something.

You know, if you rape a child, I'm hitting you on the man.

Yes, And you push a fourteen year old out of a fucking car. And then on the way out, Coreesy grabs a guy's phone, So now we're in interrogation and he slides the phone across the table and the phone's buzzing and ringing and it's this guy's wife and she will not stop calling.

And like, I have Jared on find my friends.

So if I like located him and he was at the sixteenth Precinct in Manhattan, we'd have some problems. So he's like tell us what happened with the fourteen year old girl. We might let you pick up the phone and talk to your family, because now his son's calling to And he's like, okay, fine, I'm sorry. He like fully just folds. The man is so dumb, He says, I'm sorry. I didn't know she was on something when she started zoning out. I took her to the hospital.

I'd love to see it more.

No, And I love that he thinks throwing a woman onto the ground is like taking her to the hospital.

Yeah, like ignoring the fact that you were having sex with a fourteen year old yeah, and then pushed her.

Out of a vehicle. Yeah, And yeah, like it's not like you went in and helped her at the paperwork, right right?

Ugh, So this was the one asshole for season twenty, And I'd love to see more. If you're a writer on the show and you listen, love to hear some more assholes. So anyway, this dumb man who should have lawyered up immediately finally caves that he got Luke's number off of back Page last year at the auto show before they show down back Page, and he just you know, kept that filed in his phone as a guy who gets me teenagers to fuck when I'm in New York,

And she's like cause my parents freaking hate me.

Duh.

Like it's like, okay, I don't know you like being with Uncle Luke a lot better. Finn's talking to another girl about how she met Luke at the bus station and he bought her McDonald's and cool shoes, so we're kind of getting an idea of like how he's gathered all these girls like I found them like in different places, and Stone's like they're so young, and it's like, yes, Stone, it's your second season on SVU. You don't know that, like you know people assault teens on a daily basis.

Her quote unquote her demented grandmother.

And I'm like, way harsh, Marishika. And he basically found them all on the street in parks. He took one off of a playground, so it's not it's not great. And they stay with him because they think they're contributing to the household. So he's got some kind of hold over them, like brainwashing style. And you know what, a lot of the pimps do it like I love you,

She says she took a bus to New York.

City and they're like, oh, was your family being mean to you, were they were they hurting you? And she's like, no, no one was hurting me. And then she says, I want my mommy and starts crying. It's really sad. And then the gang has gathered all around for an update and the other girls from that they founded Uncle Luke's are either headed to acs placements or home back to their parents, and now Gabriella is the sole focus, and Olivia does say, let's put her through Nickmick, which I

And so they get a hit.

They put her right in there, and they get a hit, and there's a missing person alert for her from Elizabeth, New Jersey. And it wasn't her parents who reported her missing, it was the New Jersey Department of Children and Families, so she was in foster care. The plot thickens, so now we've got Rollin's in New Jersey with Careesy and

You guys like you were supposed to keep her safe?

And the parents were like, we did the best we could, but she's very distrustful of Americans. We quickly find out that Gabriella was sent to them from the border, where the government had separated her from her mother. So awful and timely in twenty eighteen, and today it's just like so barbarous.

Yeah, Like when people say cruelty is the point, it's like who even came up with that?

Like, yeah, it's separated.

Yeah, it's like it's really it's Nazi shit, Yeah, it's it's it's wild.

And this episode, I think does a good job of showing you. Now we're in back in New York and the foster parents are going into Live's office and giving her all the info. They're like, they were picked up by the border in June her and her mother. The mother was arrested for unlawful entry, and the border agent grabbed Gabriella out of her mother's arms, and Live goes, that's insane, and I was like, yeah, just that, there's no other words. It's insane, Like it's hard to like

I thought about doing that. I don't.

I have to get like fully vetted and all that, and I don't. I don't think I would have. I might not have passed, but I was thinking, you're.

Also giving the government way more credit than they deserve. That's true, we will learn later in this episode, but they do not. Actually, Oh god, I do really good background checks.

Oh okay, great, can't wait.

Benson tells the parents that she really admires them for taking that on and that's why I would do it, just so that Olivia Benson would tell me that she's proud of me. They tell Benson how Gabriella wouldn't even look at them for the first few days.

She would just sit on the floor and cry for her mom.

And they finally got her to eat, got her to play with their little boys a little bit, and then they tried to get her on the phone with her mom, but they like couldn't locate her, and then it was always like busy.

The line was busy, so it was like, you know.

True to form, everything that you've heard, it's a cluster fuck, like they've lost half some of these kids. They don't know who's connected to who, and they can't get them even on the phone with each other. So she, uh, Gabriella asked one of their sons, how do you get to Texas? And he told her you take a plane from New York City, but they didn't actually think she was gonna go do that. So Finn and Rollins are now with Gabriella asking her her favorite ice cream and

It seems cute.

Yeah, Gabriella opens up a little. She says her foster parents were nice, but she missed her mom.

And because I don't think Finn grocery shops, No, he's a bodega meal guy, yeah for sure, for sure and take out.

And they're just Gabriella is like, why did they take my mom? Like she doesn't understand why she's been separated from my mother because it's crazy. And Amanda's like, well, when she crossed the border, she broke the laws of our country.

And then she's like, but what did I do?

And that's so sad, and Rollins is just like, honey, you did nothing wrong. And now Live Rollins and Finn are talking about what to do. They can't send her back to foster parents because she'll just run away again, and Live says, we got to call the Office of Refugee Resettlement and let them know that she's with us, and Finn says, well, they're just going to send her to a tender age center. I hate that tender reminds me of like a tenderoni and that Michael Jackson song. Anyway,

They track down the mom's lawyer.

She's at a federal detention center in Texas, and he's on his way there and he can set up a video call with Maria and Gabriella.

The mother's name is Maria, so exciting.

So on the video she's telling them about how she left Guatemala because her neighbor was like, take it out into the street by Lamara, which is a gang for witnessing a murder, Like this guy witnessed a murder, so they brought him out into the street and they killed him. And so she's like, I got some money from my family and I had a coyote take us to Mexico, but then this guy just left us at the border and we had to cross alone, and it's like, it's

Watching the baby. That's what I wrote.

Cariese is watching her, and I was like, Carisee's watching her. No, Cariese's watching Gabriella and the feds are picking her up tomorrow and like he's like wow, and she's like ten years old, and Rollin says yeah, and he's like, I don't even know how you guys do it, and she says, well, speaking of you're good with kids the other night, like and he's like, oh, yeah, I love kids, like I almost did Peedes, but like I'm in too much debt,

Then the Shabblee shows up.

There's a bottle of shablee and he's like, I remember you saying you like this, and then he toasts his second chances and he goes or third if we're keeping score, and it's like, did.

You fuck up a second time or not? Like what's going on?

And Amanda does not lift a glass for the toast, and he doesn't get it, and then she's like, I'm pregnant, and he's shocked for like a second and then immediately remembers a time that they raw dogged it on the fourth of July.

I guess, And so you know, I think he knows how babies happen.

And he immediately offers to take her for an abortion and pay for it and if that's what she wants to do, Like he barely takes a breath and he's like, so, I mean, I can google a clinic right now. Like he's really does not want to have it, and it's in theory, that's a nice offer from a partner, like you would want someone to you know, be supportive of your decision. But he jumps to it very quickly, and Amanda's kind of taken aback by how fast he jumps

Well, my favorite thing he.

Told us about little baby Gabrielle Sosa is that she loved the pizza. That she could not get enough of the pizza.

Thank you.

It was really I forgot.

And if you don't remember Andy Powers, he told an amazing story of thinking on Oz that he got jerked off on by Maloney, but Maloney just spit on him. So that was a fun story for us.

Really all should go back and listen to the Andy Power. Andy Powers made an impression. Yeah, it was great. He was great.

So he is playing Jeff Phelps from the Office of Refugee Resettlement and he's there for Gabriella and Benson's like, let me see the paperwork. And he tells her that Gabrielle is going to go to Fort Sterling and Benson's like, oh, behind razor wire and he's like, no, ma'am. It's a dorm like setting with other miners. It's like summer camp. And it's like, bitch, get summer camp out of your mouth.

And the last time she got taken out she ended up in a cage. Yeah, yeah, it's so horrible. Rollins and Liver incredulous. They're like, is this true?

And He's like, I was at the border when Maria was processed, and I escorted Gabriella and other miners to the foster agency here in New York City.

That was the policy.

And Live makes a huge move and tells Finn and Careesy to arrest Phelps and put him in a holding cell.

I keep imagining Michael Phelps, it's really hard not to, or Fred Felps.

I don't know who Fred Phelps is.

They're the people that say God hates f words and like they're like the anti gay Fred Leftsboro Baptist Church exactly. Yes, No, Michael Phelps, Yeah, Phelps's Yeah, Michael Phelps has a he loves to swim, he loves to smoke weed, he loves therapy. He's a friend, he's a friend of the body. I just think he has a weird face anyway. I'm not I'm not, I'm not. I'm not trying to shame anyone's looks. There's just something about the proportions of his face.

You know, his underjaw is bigger than his like he is a freak of nature. And his arm spans longer than his body. You know, he's like built weird to swim. Yeah, he's built to sweatch.

Doesn't he get to eat like six thousand calories a day or something?

He's swimming at that level an him. Yeah, but those are my favorite stories. There's like a pitcher who like every day had three big macs. Like I just love the athletes that only eat candy and Coca cola.

Living the dream.

Okay, So you are those stories of people just being blackout drunk, pitching no hitters and being like, I don't even remember it.

Sports used to be fun. Now they're all, you know, testing for dope.

And yeah, it's so boring.

Now, all right, that is so funny, Okay, so so fuck.

Olivia's arresting this guy from the refugee Resettlement center who's like, A, he's a federal agent, I guess, and putting him in a holding cell, and she says, you're being arrested for second degree kidnapping, for abducting a minor and transporting her to New York City against her will, which is a class B felony in this state. And then Olivia goes give them a phone call and a baloney sandwich.

Baloney sandwiches get a bad rap. I like it.

I didn't know they gave you a boloney sandwich and holding I've never seen them give a bloney sandwich to another person.

That's a I had a sandwich in jail. I had a burger. I had some cookies. They let us microwave our cookies so they melted a little.

WHOA, yeah, that's curious.

I do.

I had fun in jail.

I mean, as a sociology major, I feel like I learned a lot. I made some friends and yeah, I read a book. I watched The Simpsons.

I like I loved I can't they let you do all that can if you had access to a microwave and a television like what books and books? Yeah, the white girls played games upstairs and the black girls watched the Simpsons downstairs.

So you were down there. Yes, yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, all right. I had to play cards with a bunch of method take me to the familiar, let me have my cookie, and then everyone got mad at me because I did let the door slam hard once, and they're like this fuck, and I'm like, okay, I'm learning your roles and I'm gone tomorrow, so let's relax.

I can't believe you never got on Orange as a new Black with all this experience.

I actually did a full blown audition in Russian for Orange. I know, I really try. I've probably I tried to be what the Nazi I mean I did. I sent in a lot of auditions for Orange.

I would have loved you to have been involved with Red somehow speaking Russian.

I would have loved to be a part of that show in any capacity, of course.

I mean, I'm a it's it's funny, it's like it and you know, I have.

A messy what is it desktop, and it's all videos of my face in different outfits, trying to be different people. It's sick. It's a sick life. I sent one in for a brew master this week. It's like, what's brew master? Like a girl who makes like beers?

Oh hip for that hip girl with her own brewery signed at the brewery.

I could see it. I could absolutely see it. Whatever am I bragging about my auditions?

I don't get but I would have loved to be an orang.

Okay, So top of act for and Olivia has just I mean it was like she had this pre planned almost because she came up with it so quickly, this plan to arrest the guy.

And now at the top of acpour, she.

She's a survivor, she's passionate, and when she wants to do something, she's gonna do. Yeah, she knew what was she She knew arresting him was fucking crazy.

Yeah, completely, And then she's surrounded by a press conference. Like suddenly there's a press conference in the squadroom which I've never seen, and Benson calls they come. Yeah, She's probably called Jimmy Mack and was like, call all your old buddies and get him over here. And uh, she's making this is clearly a political move, and she's explaining that they've arrested the officer, she's got the press. Everyone's like, you know, everyone's paying attention, and she also says she

She's nine years old. And she says.

They're like, how do you think the federal government is going to react? And she's like, I don't really care. This is the crime in New York. And then one guy goes, do you really think this affects the life of the safety of everyday New Yorkers? And she's just like, well, I did find this nine year old girl in a sex trafficking ring, so I think I'm doing my job. And she is like fully traumatized, like a bunch of

He's like, what's the next move?

Here live and she's like, dude, I was just doing this to make a point and the media is running with it. Everyone's paying attention now, and he says, well, I don't prosecute cases to make points, and she goes, well, then I will find someone who will. I don't know you could just find another Ada, but I guess you can.

You have to walk away from this.

I get that, but I'm not going to I can so in court, Stone is arguing the definition of kidnapping. Okay, He's like, it's depriving someone of freedom by holding them against their will. And the lawyer argues that the government does this to millions of prisoners every day.

It's like, sick brag, you evil bitch.

Millions of prisoners every day have their freedom to brive. And then Stone argues that Gabriella was not a prisoner. She was a nine year old girl who did nothing wrong. And then the bitchy bitch argues that she did cross the border illegally and that they cannot be together, and Stone's like, no, we cannot incarcerate them together. They can

I don't know what you call this guy. Refugee man Phelps.

Was acting in good faith and he says, Stone goes yeah, but that doesn't relieve him of his criminal liability. And then the Fox News lawyer is like, remember that the federal law, Trump's state law. If you guys can all remember the Constitution, and then Olivia stands up, full out of order outbursts like I've never seen Olivia do this, and she's been in court during some wild proclamations and she just stands up and goes.

What are we doing here?

The government ripped this girl from her mother's arms, Like someone needs to stop this truly. The voice of the nation Olivia Benson and Stone is like, Olivia, chill out, and Cariese's trying to calm her down. And then we cut out of there to Rollins with Gabrielle at the precinct and she asks Rollins do you have a baby.

And Rollins goes, yeah, she's three. Her name is Jesse.

And then Gabriella, going full Gregory Yates goes, Noah, baby in there, and it's like, how do you even know she's three months pregnant?

You really can't tell?

She does immediately when she gets pregnant, Rollins like stop tucking her shirts in.

Everything's just a blousy blouse. But I wonder maybe that's coincides with her real pregnancies.

It does, Oh okay, yeah, but it just funny to me that the girl like noticed. I mean, I feel like Rosie didn't notice I was pregnant. I was like at nine months.

I think Gabriella might have a little gift.

Yeah, or she's a serial killer like Gregory Yates who can smell pregnancy. Anyway, Amanda admits yes, and she lets Gabriella put her hand on her belly, and she's like, do you want a boy or a girl? It's a sweet little car and she's like, when I see my mom, I'm gonna tell her I want a little brother. And it's like really, it's really like just heartbreaking that she can't talk to her mom. So back in federal court, the judge is like, listen, my job is to judge

The state law.

So he is to be released, and Benson is pissed, and she says to Stone, while we lost the battle, but maybe we'll.

Win the war. And then you know, now.

Live in Stone and Phelps interrupt Gabriella and Rollins having a little pizza party and she starts crying and she's begging not to go with him again, and Olivia goes, you need to be strong, and she goes, please don't forget me.

Oh my god.

It's like so sad, and and they Olivia just keeps saying fuerte, fuerte, like be strong, and she takes and he takes her away, and everyone is like pretty gutted. It's like sad, but there's still six minutes left of the episode, so I'm kind of like, what else is

Justice don't know if that exists anymore. Or what. But he was also Apollo Creed in the Rocky Movies.

I knew I recognized Carl Weather from something, but he's Apollo Creed from the Rocky Movies. And he's like, so, how's SVU, how's the Big City? And then he's like, what the hell do you want? You didn't just come here to have a drink with me? And he wants to this guy's help in reuniting Gabriella with her mom. And he's not trying to make a policy. He just wants to help this one kid. And the guy goes, is it going to make a difference? And then Stone

A magazone is a human version of an Instagram quote. He's just always has some sort of story that no one cares about it.

Yeah, this this starfish, but I do love little turtles. But it's the same story with the starfish. He just changes it to turtles and acts like it happened to his family home in Rhode Island, and it's like that's a famous Like that's like a like a famous parable or like what do you call My friend.

Was lucky enough to be on mushrooms as he noticed little turtles going towards the ocean and he got to help them.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, if he wasn't on mushrooms, you would have just kept walking. No, but it probably felt more special. His heart was more open, magical. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

So that's what he says, basically, like, you know, it's made a difference to that one. You know, when you throw the turtle or you throw the fish. The starfish back in, so he says, the guy says, he'll.

See what he can do.

So now, also, Carl weathers, so you have like sympathy for the starfish, but not this kid, Like, I don't know why you need an additional story.

Yeah, like could be like can we just reunite this kid? You fucking say.

Yeah. So at the precinct, Carsey wants a beer, but Finn has to babysit his grandson, and she's like, what about you.

Roland's non alcoholic, and she's like, what's the point.

She's like, what's the point having a drink if I can't get hammered? And she's like, I need something stronger after all the bullshit I've been through like today, and Cariese says, everyone wants who wants to come to this country to live the American dream should be allowed to do that, and then Finn plays real right wing. Finn's like, I don't know her neighbor getting shot, it's not really enough.

Why are we helping these immigrants if we're not even helping me and my people and we're here getting discriminated against and fucked over and stuff.

Oh so is that do you think that's behind a lot of it? Wow? Interesting?

Yeah, He's like black people get treated like shit here all the time, and yet you care about all these like people trying to come here, but we have our own problems.

But he should more have the point of view of all vulnerable people need to be taking care. Who's making it horrible? Like, you know, it's it's the class.

It's like, right now, they're you know, they're going hard for trans people, but it's just to test the waters and then guess what it's going to be you yeah, you know, like it's it is crazy that we don't want Like there's a quote where it's like you're only as strong as your weakest teammate, and you've got to help the most vulnerable and bring everyone up so we're all together.

You're not like, fuck those people. I care about my people. It's like, right, all the people lifts all ships.

Yes, yes, yes, and then if we all got together, we can you know, like Sri Lanka run into the President's pool.

Oh my god, that was a good January sixth right, yeah, Okay, so we're almost to the end here. So now we're at the doctor's office, and you think Amanda might be like at the obgy n or something, but then Al walks out her boyfriend and we realize we're at his office. And she tells him listen, I'm having this baby. I don't need anything from you. And then she walks out and he does not even not even a tiny movement to go after her at all.

So this is like, you think it's the end of their relationship.

He's back a little bit later, but you know, he's like, well, I guess she wants that baby. And then at Fort Sterling in Brooklyn. I didn't realize Fort Sterling would be in Brooklyn. I thought for sure he was taking her to another state or something. But they're in Fort Sterling in Brooklyn. Live rolls up in an suv and asks to see Gabriella Sosa and the army guy at the

He just gets out of the car and starts.

Walking to him, yelling and being like, get your CEO down here right now. I didn't hunt through the mountains of quand Tree for I couldn't. IM Sorry, I couldn't really hear what he was saying for three years to have some babyface, MP, tell me what's authorized, and it's like, okay, there's that old Rocky Rocky monologue and he starts babbling and the literally the soldiers like and then he's like, okay, fine, just let him in. And then he gets back in the car. I guess that he goes, that was fun,

It's like too sad. And we find out that whatever.

We find out that Carl Weather's pulled some strings because he works out at the same gym with a judge who made it happen. And anyway, this kind of fairy tale ending does not happen all the time. It's like, it's like when you this is a horrible comparison, But whenever I hear somebody getting their Instagram hacked, the only people I ever hear getting it back are people who.

Have an inn at Facebook or Instagram.

Like there's no way to get anything done if you don't know someone who works at these corporate Placett's also not even just it's like truly life. Yeah, it's yeah, you got to know people, like it's connections is everything. But of course social media. Instagram is my perfect example.

Because it's a name we're thinking about getting hacked is not good. Yeah, it's yeah.

I don't want it to happen to two factor authentication anyway. Maria says, thank you so much, and Olivia says welcome to America as they walk away from dozens and dozens of girls in cages with like their faces pressed up, like where's my mom, where's my dad? It's fucking terrifying and horrible. And that is dick Wolf Baby.

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Okay.

So, you know, it's hard to do current event type things because the news is ongoing. I'm folding, and a lot of the articles are like concerns, like their political spin, you know, they're trying to like prove something.

So it was kind of an adventure.

But we're going to go through the Trump family separation policy, the zero tolerance, and then.

When you read that, it's like, oh, the Trump family separation, like separating all the Trump family from each other.

That would be great. Let's do that them all away from each other.

And I'm going to talk specifically about Southwest Key facilities abuse and that's what we felt was like the closest to what was happening. But I feel like there was abuse in trafficking so much everywhere constantly.

It was like I so much.

Okay, So the Trump family separation policy, not the one we want simply put, it's a policy calling for criminal prosecution of everyone who enters the country illegally. So, I don't know if you remember Jeff's sessions, he's like a little gremlin, a little jockey gremlin. He and quote said, if you cross the Southwest border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you.

It's that simple.

If you're smuggling a child, then we're going to prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you. If you don't want your child separated, they don't bring them across the border illegally. And that's just a quote that he did at a press conference, like these people are truly deranged, evil, fucking assholes.

That was in the New York Times.

And then this policy is different than the former Bush and Obama administrations, where separating kids from parents during those times was an exception, not the rule, and Trump made it the rule. Yeah, And this obsession with the Southwest border and these like specific rules started with Bush though he launched operations Streamline along the Texas border, and it called to criminally prosecute all migrants to get control of the border and be safer to citizens. And Trump used

He's a fucking war criminal. He's a piece of shit.

And I heard this recently, like we don't blame him enough for this like explosion of christian like in the government, Like he was just praying all the time and a true fucking fool.

And I don't think we talk enough shit about him.

Yeah we're like, wow, we painted a dog and loves Michelle Obama and that was that, Like this piece of shit he made ice, Like what are we talking? Yeah, fucking hate him and he shouldn't have won. I just feel if al Gore one our polar bears would have some ice, I don't know.

We'd have the right kind of ice. We're good, Okay.

So basically people that crossed the border were put straight through the criminal system, not through civil immigration courts, and so that's what was the change. Instead of just like we're going to civil court, it was full criminal and then hello, private prison contracts. That's one of the things that's I think is most twisted about America. There's so many but like the business is the most deranged sick thing, and I think Orange is the New Black.

Really covers as well.

Whatever it did, however at that time make exceptions for adults traveling with children, but their goal was to prosecute fast and then deport people back as fast as possible. But until they're hearing, they're held in these private detention centers,

Was during his time, and so that's that's just a fact.

And then Trump claims that he's just following policy and he's just doing what's written and he's not doing anything new, which is not fully true. Historically, the US treated immigration violations, like I said, as civil rather than criminal, and parents have not typically been separated from their children when they

They're doing it as a deterrent. They are trying to deter people from coming across the border. So they're not like we just got to follow the law, Like no, there's other options.

Yeah, but it's like are they actually trying to deter people or they're trying to make money off of these centers?

Like that's what's like sick about it all too?

Yeah, because I don't I think they know that it's not a deterrent. It's like how the death penalty isn't a deterrent, you know, like we know day things don't help, right if people are desperate, they're desperate. And then throughout all this though, there was an understanding that if you came in quote unquote legally at proper areas and went through the asylum process, you'd be chill since it's not illegal.

But that's not what was happening.

And while cases are being processed, which could take months, the families are separated in the same way as those who enter illegally. So the people when people are like, well, why didn't you do it the right way, people who were quote unquote doing it the right way and coming to get asylum were also separated. Really wow, yeah, because they had to wait for their hearings, and so they would fucking separate people because they're evil pieces of shit.

Without their children. Hell yeah.

And of course, you know, separation from family leaves children more vulnerable to exploitation and abuse, no matter what the care setting. And that's according to an affidavit attached to the ACLU lawsuit that was happening about all this, and it creates toxic stress levels and children that can profoundly impact their development. I don't think that's anything new. I

Trauma? Trauma? Trauma?

And to add two more fucked up things that happen to these children. Some are fraudulently plucked from shelters by men who pose as friends and family and then take the kids and make them work long hours. And there was a big case in Ohio where all these kids were found working on egg farms. Six people were sentenced to federal prison for their participation in the scheme. But like we were saying, like, how oh, they're doing background

The government did this.

Human Rights Watch in October twenty twenty one obtained the United States government documents that detailed over one hundred and sixty internal reports of misconduct and abuse of asylum seekers at the hands of US officials, which included custom and Border Patrol officers, border patrol agents, and immigration and Customs enforcement officials. And this has been between twenty sixteen and

Seminar.

I had to go to a sexual harassment seminar at seven am when I worked on a show once because some fucking guys said some weird shit about someone who was underage.

Wasn't even me. We all had to go. It was really early for me, was felling asleep.

Seven is early, seven is early to be Remember, I told you I was going to go to the beach at eight am, and it sounded psycho. I went before ten. The person my friend was like, we just do that, and I'm like can. I would have been late to.

Pick you up. Anyways.

They also uncovered twenty seven possible due process violations with all the border workers. So some of these due process violations are like would be applicants being prevented from lodging asylum claims or compelling them to sign papers they did not understand, so they kept off documents like super crucial information like dates, locations, and nationality of the person who suffered abuse, and like they did not provide appended docum

And so, yeah, the.

Due process stuff is like they're making people signed papers or not giving them the proper paperwork to get the asylum that they need.

So they're like, fuck.

So even when people are trying to do it right, you have these fucking neanderthal pieces of shit that decided to work at border patrol that are obviously raised, Like, of course they're discriminatory. I don't think you can like cage up a bunch of children and see them as actual humans like these people. Of course they're they don't. So it's like the people that are supposed to help

It's like, it's very, very twisted. And so this moves me into.

The South Southwest Key facilities. And so the owner of the Southwest Keys, which we'll learn about in the New York Times, this guy was saying that the images of children and chain link cages are not what they are, that those are facilities run by Border Patrol, which is a division of Homeland Security, and that that's not how this place works. This place is like a social service side of the federal government. He's like, we are not law enforcement. So that's this guy's claim. So there is

We're like fun. But I think you'll learn that he's why.

So the Southwest Key Shelter is in Youngtown, Arizona. It's been shut down, okay, and was a shelter for unaccompanied migrant children. The children were there because of the zero tolerance border policy where the children were taken away from their parents at the border, and this policy caused a super influx and so there was just like tons and

But do not worry.

They just sent the kids to a different shelter and it's all owned by the same company.

Attend these like all these kids were in a different place.

So this actually was mentioned in the episode, this Office of Refugee Resettlement, So that's THERR. In twenty eighteen, THERR was overseeing an estimated one hundre dred shelters in seventeen states, serving eleven thousand youths.

Oh my god, Like she says three thousand in the episode. She goes, there's three thousand, gabrielisosos And I was like, that seems like you're low balling it.

But that's maybe young girls only. Yeah, I don't know who knows what she was like, but eleven thousand, it seems.

Like it's a lot, and so it's like, how are you keeping track of all these people?

Yeah, so it brings.

Up a lot of issues with federal oversight and management and the invisibility under which many of these places operate. And this is more of a pr statement. The OARR claims to have zero tolerance policy for all forms of abuse or inappropriate behavior and acts quickly to address it.

I don't know.

They refuse to comment though, on how many staffers were involved or details.

About any incidents.

We have all these shelters, there's not really oversight. Lots of things are happening. And not only that the government is paying these people. So the Texas based Southwest Key Programs were paid half a billion dollars in the fiscal twenty eighteen under a federal contract to house the migrant children in several states. So, you know, I always say this, like when Trump got elected, stocks of private prisons skyrocketed.

A billion to run this thing.

They have thirteen facilities, and the month before the you know, one of them was shut down. The Department of Health Services moved to revoke the company's licenses after it failed to comply with employee background check requirements. So the state then launched a review after repeated reports of abuse of migrant children by the employees. After the state inspections found repeated instances in which the company had not obtained the or acquired background checks from employees.

So them claiming how.

Seriously they take everything in like zero tolerance is fully pr when you're not even doing proper background checks of people that are going to be working with detained children. The owner of these you know, for profit child camps said the missing deadline of background checks was, in quotes, a very small, minor thing to the New York Times. So this guy who thinks he's doing good, we're gonna learn about him. He thinks he's like truly a saint

Shit.

The Republic obtained a report from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office detailing numerous instances in which deputies were dispatched to the Youngstown location to investigate physical and sexual abuse cases. Before the September abuse incident was disclosed, the Youngstown shelter had two cases where staff members were alleged to have acted inappropriately, but neither was substantiated. Then, at least three employees have been arrested and accused of sexually abusing the children.

He was HIV positive.

And then six other teens accused him of sexually touching them Jesus and these allegations spanned eleven months starting August twenty sixteen, and he was convicted of seven counts of abuse uh sexual contact and three counts of sexual abuse in twenty nineteen, and he was sentenced to nineteen years in prison and then following a lifetime of supervised release. So I guess one pedophile has been taken. But now, when Pachecko was hired, he did not submit his fingerprints

Second, you know the important day about this guy.

Well it's also like Aid's Day, I think, but it's BRIT's birthday.

So on. So this guy won.

He grew up along the Mexican border, like really really crowded, like all the kids slept on the floor, and so yeah, he was not very rich. And then he ended up earning three degrees, including a doctorate in education from Harvard, before he came back to Texas to start what he calls is a nonprofit. So Southwest Hey Now has collected one point seven billion dollars in federal grants in the past decade, and in twenty eighteen they made to six

With top executives in other industries.

So at one point they were able to house like five thousand children in twenty four shelters, and one of the shelters is a converted Walmart to just like wear warehouse. The Walmart shelter houses fifteen hundred migrant boys.

So dystopian.

It's a two hundred and fifty thouds in square foot facility.

Yeah, yikes.

And this Walmart place has had at least thirteen deficiency citations. And inside this place, maybe things have changed. There was a giant mural of Trump an American flag painted on it in a white House picture and the quote from Trump that was painted says, sometimes by losing a battle, you find a new way to win the war.

Like what does that even mean to children?

Yeah, there's also a JFK quote about like what you can do for these your country. It's like, leave these kids alone. And there are doctors there in activities in a school. They can watch mowana and go outside for two hours, but they should do whatever the fuck they want.

I don't know.

They did le let some people in for a tour, but it was just like a very protective place. There's no windows. Everything has like black mesh over the windows, like you don't know what they spruced.

Up for the the tour.

Yeah, and they worked closely with the Obama administration has set all this shut up. This is this is you know, earlier than twenty sixteen. So in twenty thirteen and twenty fourteen, they opened eight new shelters and they were no longer a small group of homes, but like giant institutions.

And it kept.

Growing, and then there was a breaking point where fourteen thousand miners at about one hundred sites. So on paper, this is a charity, but Sanchez was making more than double what like chief executive counterparts do at other like at the American Red Cross, which is a far larger organization.

A million dollar salary. Geez.

And it's like very twisted because the Mexican government gave him the highest humanitarian award that is possible, and he's on the board of the nation's largest Hispanic advocacy group, known as unidos Us, So it's like weird. Of course, he doesn't think he's evil. He's going all these humanitarian awards. I guess I don't know, but maybe he did start

Child And you know that also with this sixty one million dollars of cash, they're definitely supporting like Republican candidates because they don't want this to stop.

But they're like fucking cheap, Like their biggest donations were like five thousand dollars. Really, yeah, I was looking at their donations. They used to donate to Democrats because Obama was working with them. I think this is a I mean, there's a reason that Democrats are inactive of any social change because they're also in the pockets of these businesses. So this idea of like one side or the other is all bullshit. They're all just trying to make.

Nice, he says, left wing, right wing. They're all part of the same bird. They are, and it's bullshit. And it's like the Democrat like, can you just do something?

Yeah, yeah, totally just fucking do something. But yeah, like their donations were so bad. Alexia Rodriguez, as Southwest Key's vice president of Immigrant Children's Services, said our growth is in direct response to kids coming to the border. But to me, it's like a chicken in the egg shit, Like, are you growing because of the policy or was the policy made for you guys to make money with all these defense contracts and assholes who are profiting.

So it's like, I don't really know.

Yeah, it's like Dick Cheney and Blackwater and all that shit.

Right, that's another person.

One of our friend's friends married someone who worked at Halliburton. Then it was like, yeah, actually someone here. Their dad died and they didn't like their dad. He was high up at Halliburton, and now she gets to live in a giant house and has all this money from him, but like hated it, never talk to him or anything because he was a Halliburton guy. It's not even it's like a friend of a friend. So the Celexia woman truly says that they are not a political organization and

No, I would have remembered that. So funny.

So you know, they have all these places, they're getting all this money from the government, no one is watching them, and so obviously there's so many kids not trained staff. So I'm just gonna like go through some of the fucked up shit that happens to some of the kids there. Like one girl ate a meal she was allergic to, even though she was wearing the proper red bracelet to indicate her allergy. If you're taking good care of kids, kids should not be eating shit they're allergic to. Kids

Oh my god. Also, how did that get an STD?

He so this guy, the owner going back to him, Juan, he wanted to go to seminary and then after all of his education in nineteen eighty one, all his degrees, all the Harvard maybe in at Harvard, he turned fully evil. At age thirty three, he returned home to start this charity. To help children stay out of prison, and it was like helping like his friends. He started this Southwest key

This is the eighties people, Yeah, so this way back.

So his first nonprofit he did was with his former gym teacher, mister Gallegos Gegos, which reminds you that's like a lawyer Garaga like this is similar. And they established International Educational Services, which is under federal investigation and I could not find any information about it. So in nineteen ninety six is when Southwest he entered the shelter business, and right away the lines were very blurry, you know. He hired all his friends and family onto the boards.

And then but.

After the Times put them on blast, they disclosed all the info and then went to seek to sell their stakes and I don't have any info and if they.

Sold it or like what happened and if they acquired new but they did.

It's like wil that the press is the one that has to hold their feet to the fire, like it's not the government, no, you know.

And they continue to acquire new land in locations and stuff and use the charity's address and kept building their real estate portfolio like they never really stop. They also would purchase charter schools and then force the schools to award work.

To Southwest Key for profit.

Martha Kotera, a school board member started to grow suspicious and told The New York Times they were sold to us as an economic development enterprises for the community, but it was very self serving and the schools we're also paying Southwest Key millions for food maintenance, and like she left the.

Board because she was pissed about that.

And then his good friend who he'd been doing real estate broking deals with, became the board member.

So it's like truly so.

Insidious and like shady, and all of these kids are just being like played with for profit.

It's really fucked up.

His excuse for all this is it's not worth for him to purchase buildings because he didn't want to get stuck with empty shelters if the children stopped coming.

And also what's wild.

Is like these places seem like they're coming from a bad place, but so is some of the communities.

So we hate this place.

But then some of the towns like they don't want these shelters, and not because they're immoral and it's fucked up, but they don't want their tax dollars going to these people.

So it's like double evil. So it's like, but isn't it federal tax dollars that are going to it.

Yep, it's not like these people are smart. Yeah yeah, what are we talking about that?

Yeah? Yeah.

So it's like then you want the community to be like no, like this is wrong that they're separate and trated poorly. But it's mostly people being like I don't want my money going these people. And so then he gets to play kind of victim and be like, look at this discrimination we're dealing with. We're just trying to help kids, Like, look at these bad people. So they

Jesus, Like these are evil people.

Yeah, could you imagine calling kids invaders or like people that want to live here.

I just like don't get it. It's just like they just don't. It would be crazy.

But this happens a lot of Like my sister's peers, so that she's no, and when we immigrated, are like all trumpy, piece of shit right wingers like don't want Muslim refugees, don't give a shit about anyone, yeah unless and and they don't want like so crazy like we came here, we were on welfare, like we got help from the Jewish United Fund, all these things, and now they're the.

Most like fuck all these people.

Look at them sitting on foods and it's like you were on foods.

Yeah, and even.

Worse, like my family in New York they live in subsidized housing, but like all like that's what Russians do in Brighton Beach. They're all in like subsidized housing. And then the garages are all filled with Beamers and Mercedes they're like taking and then they bring they're bringing their grandmas from Russia.

The grandmas live there, nice ass cars.

They're like shit, like truly using the government, and then are so racist and hateful towards others.

So maybe I would be again, I.

Don't know, but so yeah, these kids are getting bullshit from everyone. They're sitting there hoping to be better and have like a good life and people to like love and care for them.

And everyone's like, get them out of my city.

And then other people are I'm gonna get money off putting you in a cage. But they won the lawsuit against the town and they won five hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Great, we're buddy to the add it to the pod, Like there's no one to cheer for.

So I went on their site to find out what's and they are hiring. So if you're calling is to provide and so it says, if your calling is to provide compassionate care, join their programs.

I remember thinking when this was all happening, though, I was like, can I just go to Texas like for a few days and like hang out with kids. I'm like, I'm an old, I'm a former camp counselor well, they let me just know, like you need books to kids.

Don't you remember charities and American people were coming to help and they were turning them away.

I wouldn't let them in.

Yeah, the website, you know, it's like all bullshit. It's like we reuniting kids and helping them, but it's the opposite of their goal. It's like their goal is to make money. So is it to reunite or is it to keep these kids longer? Like it's all just conflict of interests everywhere. Yeah, their website claims since twenty fifteen, they have unified one hundred thousand children.

Do we buy it or not?

They claimed the typical length of stay for minors is thirty two days, and as of now, they have seventeen shelters in Texas, eight in Arizona, and two in California. So this one place where all that abuse happened closed, but they're in business.

Yeah.

Now from the Washington Post, as of May one, twenty twenty two, crossings and attempted crossings at the US Mexico border are at record levels. Nothing has changed, Yeah, and it's an issue for both sides, Like Republicans accuse Biden of being too lenient at the border, and then the Democrats accuse Biden of being too tough.

So it's like everyone's twisted.

And that's why I said the research was hard because the themes you get on an article and it was all just like Biden's letting the caravans in.

It's like, okay, well I remember, like I just saw a tweet the other day that was like gas prices have gone down for the past like six days, so que a story from Fox New about Mexican caravans coming, like they'll pivot it away from that at any moment to always put it back on, like the.

Caravans, the caravans, And it's like, yeah.

So this is like obviously this is post the episode, but I thought i'd let you know, let everyone know where everything is stands as of now, and then of course I'll close this out with some sex trafficking stories. Okay, So in the past six months of since this Washington Post article, so far, people at the border have been apprehended by the government five hundred and forty nine thousand times.

I don't know if that's a lotter a little like I don't even know.

What it has means in six months, so okay, uh, okay, and most remain in custody or under the radar pending a court hearing.

It could take years to resolve an asylum case like we you know what was happening with Gabriella's mom in the episode. Yeah, and then half get kicked out immediately less than half our process by immigration authorities, and then the remainder are allowed to stay in the country and

So these like people are sure you want to come in here, so they like escaped the war.

Yeah, they come here, and they're in Mexico and they're in.

Mexico because that's a way to get in and then they're separated. So they have been separating them as well. Okay, what also is an issue today is Title forty two, and it is a public health order put in place by Trump that allows the government to send migrants back to their home countries rather than hold them in detention.

Fast, right, I remember this. It was a COVID thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a closed border thing with COVID. Yeah. These federal judgesment.

This is where quote unquote the liberate whatever, this is where we fucked up.

We were not paying attention to the judges.

Yeah. The judges are what have fucked everything? Are these like right wing appointed judges. It's really wild. The administration has cut way back ontoporting people who are already in the country illegally, and arrests fell to their lowest level since at least twenty fifteen. Biden has ditch Trump's Remain in Mexico policy, which required migrants to stay in Mexico while they wait for decisions on their asylum claims, and then a federal judge later forced the administration to reinstate it.

I'm telling you that's where we really fuck So president is like powerless. It feels like the president can't do it.

I mean, he did some cool shit with a I don't even I don't even understand what he did to abortion. Okay, And April, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in a case called Biden versus Texas about whether Biden can end

And that's what it was like during the Trump administration.

And all of this is going to be really in the air come midterms because Republicans make immigration like a bigger and bigger issue and they just like hate immigrates.

Blah blah blah. Yeah.

Now, like we talked about the abuse that happens at these centers and the laws where we stand currently. But the character in the episode was traffic to a different state and kept in a cage, So I was curious. I just want to to look into the human trafficking cases where the government placed children into horrific situations.

I actually didn't find that much stuff.

But in January twenty sixteen, The Times reported that the Department of Health and Human Services placed more than a dozen immigrant children in the custody of human traffickers. And this is according to a Senate report. And this government agency is the same government agency that's in charge of the Southwest Key and like keeping bad above board, so everyone's just bad at their jobs and has no soul.

And it's like we're worrying about the wrong things.

Yeah, and just the idea of separating kids from their parents or caregivers make them so much more susceptible to trafficking, and so it's like trafficking. Yeah, it's it's truly like isolating, separate and like making it as hard as possible for these children to have good lives or be well adjusted, or be.

Safe and cared for.

And it's really a mess of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I hope that all made sense and self relevant. It's just like so big and on going, and it's like I don't.

Know anything about Southwest Key and stuff that's interesting. Thank you for telling me.

All that business and just like.

Research charities you give in because I remember I met a girl that was like cooking at one of these places.

Do we meet her together? Who? I don't know? I remember like.

Meeting someone they're like, oh yeah, my job is like I cook, I'm a cook at one of these places.

And later I was like, wait, is this person, Like what is happening?

Just providing them with food is not horrible, but like because you know, I don't know what you guys needs to be there?

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

It's just like these people are making so much money being so evil and double dipping, and the government agencies are allowing it, and yeah, it's all just like political fodder and fear tactics and like people are getting fucked with because not only of the trafficking, but I mentioned up top, it's like longstanding psychological trauma, mental trauma, physical trauma. Like the way you love people and attached to people forever is gonna be fucked. Like we're not only fucking

Yeah, well yeah, no it is.

Give us you're tired, your poor year hudled mass is yearning to breathe free.

I mean, it's uh terrible. I just think we have to.

I just think that there's a whole section of this country that doesn't see them as people and that's the problem. Okay, But as always, we have a delightful interview to you're gonna and you're just gonna love this one today, So stay where you are, Okay, guys, today's guest is not only super talented, but is the youngest guest in that s messed up history. She's been in such films as Wish Upon a Unicorn and Life in Long Beach, but you guys know her as little Gabriella Sosa. Please enjoy

We're so excited to have you.

Yes, how old are you now? Do you mind sharing your age? I know a lady never tells, but oh yeah, no, no.

I don't mind. I'm twelve, but I'm going to be thirteen in two days.

Oh what are you doing for him?

Oh? Yeah, thank you. So for my birthday, I'm going to go to six Flags with my friend. And on the fifteenth, which is when it's actually my birthday, I'm going to be spending it with my dad.

Nicey, I love six Flags?

Are you?

That's oh, sebast Do you like to be You like roller coasters?

To be honest, no, I really don't. It's just like my friend he really likes roller coasters, but I don't understand why because he's like scared of like a glue gun when it's not even on So I'm just.

Like, are you around a lot of glue guns?

No, it's because we recently like had a project like at the end of the semester where we had to like create like these like ocean animals with plastic.

Cool.

Yeah, cool, it was really fun.

What else have you been doing for summer?

H not much really, I've just kind of been relaxing and talking to my friends. But I don't have summer school or anything like that. Oh I do have jiu jitsu that which.

Is jiu jitsu. Yeah, all right, very all right.

So so you're twelve but on the verge of thirteen. So that means like when you did this episode of SVU, you were like nine or eight.

Yes, yeah, oh my gosh, because you were nine. You were so good.

Yeah, you were awesome in this episode. We were so happy you wanted to talk to us.

Thank you.

So, like, I know, like eight to twelve is a big range of time because it's like a quarter of your young life. But like, do you remember like the audition process and like how it was going through getting the part?

Yeah? I do. I remember for the audition I got called back because I like cried because I was thinking of like my grandma, and like, I guess they really liked that, but I had forgotten like a scene and I was just like, oh, but they called me back and I was just like, oh, they must have really liked me. So then yeah, after that, I got the part.

Amazing. You are very good at crying.

So did you always you think of the same thing usually when you like, did you know you have that skill before you went into the audition?

Uh? I practiced like my mom and me would like try to like watch videos of me, like like Bambi or like, uh, you know, sad videos like to like have me start crying. And then Mom was like, Okay, this is not really working, so try to think of like someone dying and like one of your family members dying. And I was just like, oh okay, and then I started crying when I thought of my grandma.

So oh wow.

So because you were only a kid, you had brought your parents to set with you or were your mom or your daughter or.

Oh yeah, yeah my mom went with me. Yeah, like practicing the scripts nice? Yeah, we just it was just kind of off because it was in New York, so it was just like like the sleep schedule was a lot different.

Oh right, right, jet Lag. Did you spend time in your fun trailer? Was that exciting?

Yeah?

Yeah, I like that. But I think my favorite part about it all is like hanging out with the cast and you know, eating all the snacks.

That sounds like it would be our favorite part too. Yeah.

We actually talked to Andy Powers on our podcast. He was the guy that takes me away, the bad guy, like the officers would take you away, and he was telling us that you were great to work with them.

Oh wowe Yeah, what scoop do you have about the cast?

Like any fun stories with Mauritia, Guys, Tea or Kelly or just any fun stories from the set.

Oh, I'd say fun story was it wasn't really with them, but there was like these two these two little girls. One of them actually I think it was like we had the same name or I think it was Charlotte. I think maybe not Scarlette. But they were really really fun to work with. They were like always gooping with me and like my mom, Like when my mom was trying to have me like start crying, they would always be like, Oh, do you want to come play with us? Do you want to hang out? Do you want to tag?

Yeah, that's awesome.

Hard to cry when you're having fun with your friends.

Yeah, there's a lot of photos of you online with like iced Tamurushka, and everyone is smiling so big. I don't think I've ever seen ice Tea smile so much. It's like they all really enjoyed you being there too.

Oh wow, that's awesome.

Did you love getting to eat all the pizza and ice crea that they can't bring in your character? Oh?

Yeah, I loved it. I was just like can I can I keep eating it?

Like amazing?

The subject matter of the episode is so like intense. Was that you know you being so young? Did they kind of protect you from it? Were you aware of how serious and kind of scary the scenes were?

How did that work?

Yeah? I was. I was aware of what was going on, but I like had to ask my mom some like questions like oh, like what does this mean? Why is this happening? And she was explaining to me, Oh, sometimes like you know this happens to kids your age and even younger. I was just like, oh, wow, that's that's you know, horrible, Like this shouldn't be happening to like kids my age, and I was just it just like made me even more sad and like get more into character.

Yeah, yeah, it is really sad when you were I remember like the one scene that was like so emotional was like when you finally get to like do a video chat with your mom in the episode. But like because that's like a video chat where you just like doing performing your part to like an empty iPad or what, because like that she wasn't really on the other side of the screen.

Yeah, it was actually a prerecorded video of her, and like so you had to like time it perfectly so I would just like cry when she like you know like waited.

Yeah wow, really a pro. Yeah. How did you get into acting altogether?

When I was five? I think there's like a I'm not sure if it was like a convention or something, but uh, like it was just like a group of all these kids who are like had to like like like do a monologue and like you know, a cold read, and I was just like, oh, maybe I'm not right for this and I got kind of scared, but then like I didn't I didn't get to make it because

Did something inspire you?

Like was there a movie or a specific actor or something that got you going?

No, not not really. I think it was like my uncle because he just like acting too, but it's just like small. I was just like, huh, that's that looks kind of fun, and I was just like maybe I should try that. Yeah, because I started when I was like five five.

And we saw you got nominated for an award for your acting that Yeah.

That was that was pretty exciting. I I was pretty nervous, to be honest. It's just like who this was my first time doing this?

Yeah, because there was like a red carpet and everything and like a whole word thing that's awesome.

Yeah. I think like that was like the first time that was like interviewed, like it was from this girl from like the I think a YouTube channel, and I feel like I was kind of unprepared for that, so I was pretty nervous, but I think I did pretty alright.

I'm sure what did you air?

Uh? It was I saw a picture of it on your Instagram. I think it was so pretty. It was like a red dress, right, yeah.

Yeah, my grandma bought it for me. Actually, yeah, it's cute.

I love that and we were you know, you had to do an accent? Was that hard? Did you work with a coach?

No? No, no, because my grandma she has a pretty, you know, heart accent, so I was able to get it from her.

Oh wow, that's cool.

Yeah. I was thinking of her, well, like, oh how does how does how does she pronounce this? How does like she like, uh say these things? I was just like, oh, okay, I guess that's how you do it.

Yees so impressive. At nine, I feel like to do accents.

Like we have another scene we really love is you and Kelly Giddish When you're like, oh no, the baby's in there?

It was like really really cute.

Did you guys get along? Like, did you have any fun moments? Did you bring her dog on set or anything?

No? I actually didn't know she had a dog. Oh dog? What kind of dog?

Is it like a big lab looking? Yeah, it's like a big blonde dog. Do you have pets?

Actually, yeah, I do. I have a dog, turtle, and a hamster. Yeah.

Whoa, Oh I thought your dog's name was turtle. A dog, a turtle, and a hamster. That's like a menagerie. That's a lot of animals. Are you taking care of them?

Yeah?

Yeah, I'm trying to. Yeah. Yeah.

How did your friends react to, you know, you being in like SBU or other cool things that you've done, or because are you?

Are you in La?

Yeah?

I am a mill Or is it because La everyone's kind of acting, all the kids or no.

I was kind of surprised, to be honest, Like when I was in elementary school, Like a bunch of people were surprised that like a kid could be acting and they were all just like, oh, you're acting, and they're like super surprised, and I was just like, yeah, I am acting. Yeah, And then like, but you're so young and you're here with us, this is so weird. They were just like super surprised.

Did you watch the episode?

Oh?

Yeah, yeah I did when it came out on who. We actually had a party at my mom's friend's house and like we all watched it like with their family, and it was pretty fun. And I think the most like fun or not fun part, but like the most inspirational part of that was when her her dad started crying because of like the scenes that I was in and how he saw that because like you know, he was an immigrant and he like came to the US and like he was able to like actually experience that.

Wow.

And it was just like I was like.

Wow, do you have any big dream roles or a show that you would love to be on? Is there anything like you want to try to manifest.

Over the future In the future, I was thinking like maybe maybe like Marvel. I'm a big fan of like Marvel movies, and so I was thinking, like maybe I can be like a Latina superhero.

Oh yeah, I think that would be pretty fun. Any what would your special powers be.

I think it would be like I don't know, maybe maybe you're not like super speed because I just think of like the Flash and that's like from DC. So uh, maybe it would be like uh, like lasers, like uh lasers that come out of my fingers or like I had like this power that would like it would mimic other people's powers.

Oh that mhm, that's a really cool idea. All right, Marvel take a note. Do you have actors that you look up to? Like, who is your favorite? Who do you like to watch?

Uh? I think your name is gal Gada woman.

Yeah.

I feel like she's like pretty inspiring because I've seen her, you know, movies like Wonder Woman and with Leonardo DiCaprio, And I was just like, Wow, you're pretty.

Amazing, Like you can do all.

This and like you're like you get into like acting like a lot. Like she's like very serious when it comes to like her roles that she plays.

She's like awesome, amazing.

Any you know, our listeners obviously really love us to be like we do. Do you have any final kind of stories or moments you think people would really like to know or hear about from your time there.

Yeah, it's it's kind of like hard to remember, but uh, something that I do remember is I tease daughter.

Now she is.

So cute, like the cutest girl I've ever seen. Oh my god, she love her. Yeah, she looks just like him.

Yeah.

I was just like, you guys are twins. Like immediately, I was just like, you guys like looked like the exact same person. Like it's like so hard like to tell the difference between them, I other than like the age. And I was just like, wow, that's crazy.

Yeah, did you play with her or she was probably tiny?

Were you just like yeah?

I was just like oh, and I just kind of wanted to just like carry her and like hug her and take.

Her home with me. Yeah, she is such a cutie.

Well, we're very honored you came to talk to us. You were so talented and so good in the episode, and we feel really.

Like, yeah, we can't wait to see what you do in the future. Yeah, hopefully, and have the best time at six Flags. Six Flags Rules, I love six Flags and happy birthday.

Thank you, thank you.

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. We're gonna we're now we're a children's podcast. We're only interviewing the child stars of Lawn Order us.

You so cute, you know.

I just love what a professional she is and that she's like, yeah, Bamby didn't make me cry.

I don't care. Family meet like cool twelve year olds.

I'm like, okay, maybe like kids have a chance, they're not all going to be assholes, you know what I mean?

No, the kids are better now, Yeah, the kids are better.

Well, I talk to this therapist, and I think therapists get competitive because I was telling my therapists that I talked to this other therapist for the podcast, and she just started shading and like rolling her like she was like livid.

I said. I was like, I don't know.

He said a few insightful things and then I said one of them. She goes, that's what you thought? Was that insight I'm like, okay.

Yeah, okay. But he would say, you.

Know, we're talking about the kids and all of that at how they are different and better now and what's the key to raising great children?

And he just said, love the shit out of them the most.

Possible way ever, so they can be as grounded and in themselves as possible. And I feel because thiseneration of people having kids did not have that, I feel like parents are allowing their kids to be them and just being like like saying I love you more, just being sweeter and letting people like I just I think the next generation will be more well adjusted because I said

Yeah, I'm trying to know. You could be like my parents.

Yeah, my parents said they loved me all the time I did this, I did that, and so verse like, you know, my dad's never said a nice thing to me, and so now I have to deal with that for decades.

Yeah no, I mean, yeah, she was amazing, and its just like, I don't know, it just made like everything we're talking about makes the True Crime Pop portion of thatisode even more fucking heartbreaking that we're just traumatizing all these children by tearing them away from their parents at the border.

But my god, Kara, Okay, so you know, my friend Julia was in town this week. This should have been in the intro the hotel we were staying out for two days. They were filming vander Pump Roules. Okay, we got to watch them film vander Pump Rules all night for three hours.

We all ate mushrooms.

There's four of us and just sat for hours watching. We made friends with production. They were giving us inside scoot like it was a great moment. But then the next day Julia wanted some Tom Tom. So we go to Tom Tom. We're friendly with the bartender or reving fun. He's cracking jokes and then something shifts. He says he does comedy. I mean that's a problem. But then he says something about like I don't know how it started. But he says he's a moderate, and we're like, oh,

Yeah. And Lisa, I gotta say, I thought you.

Were just wanting to tell the story, and you really did bring it around what we were talking about.

I should have heard out.

Of you like it's like, oh, I guess she just wants to tell the vander film story.

But yeah, it's that mentality.

It's the same fucking mentality of this bartender.

You're exactly right, like we think.

We're the same, but there are people who do not give a shit if kids are starving.

They don't care. Wow.

And then Julie asked you do you believe in public education? And he goes, no, it sucks, And this is what we're fighting against. There is no both sides anymore. There is no moderate, there is no nothing. And this guy thinks he's moderate. He's against public school and children eating for free, and he thinks he's moderate. It's like, what do you think a radical is, bro?

Yeah, yeah, you're you're you're edging on right wing, my bro.

That's but and then and.

Then we started looking him up when we went to dinner, and it was like.

What like his insta he's not vaxed.

We found out he's not vaxed nothing.

Was he wearing a mask? Of course not?

Oh my god, Bartending, No, he doesn't believe in it.

Oh.

And then Julie goes, but your pro abortion? He goes, I mean, I'm pro choice, not pro abortion.

And she said.

Something to him about like, well, choice for masks, and he goes, you're right, I am pro abortion. So at least we have one thing where he agreed he is pro abortion. But I also, I wish I asked them this, because all these libertarians it's like, do what you want. But it's like, but then you hate trans people right, right? But they can't. But the bat like, I just whatever once, So I'm going to write a joke about it.

This is my new hill to die on.

If you don't think children should eat for free, I don't want you around me. And you're a bad person.

I gess that. Yeah, and we were talking.

Maybe he doesn't, maybe he's never starved, Maybe he doesn't realize it. Maybe to him a philosophical debate where he doesn't realize that, Like, it just sucks. And then we expect children to do all school and these kids are like, it's even worse, but it affects you. Not eating affects you, and not having like active parents in the home affects you. Trauma, all of these things like go in your being, and then we expect people to just like thrive in this world.

It's sick. It's sick, I know.

And it's like that even the consistency of knowing where that you were, like you're going to get your meal at school, you know, like just knowing that you're always going to have that, it must take so much stress off of kids and like, yeah, that's I mean, yeah, that's a great example of what this episode tried to show too, was help. Yeah, people just they're not looking at immigrants as people and it's fucked up.

But yeah, it's the Daniel Kluia black mirror, you know where they're all bugs.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, the army one right, yeah, yeah, yeah, But.

Our people don't even need those glasses to make people know.

You don't need any kind of creepy futuristic technology.

You guys just have good old fashioned bigotry.

Yeah, seeing the world through biggot colored glasses, all right, And that it's a business.

I mean, it's this one is horrific and we're living in it and it's just sad.

Yeah, I'm hoping. I hope that the situation at the border is improving.

But I do know that there's a lot of amazing organizations that are working to help people at the border and immigrants and refugees. So I would like to segue into what would Sister PEG do our weekly segment where we give you guys an organization, an article, a book, a doc, something that will flesh out today's topic with more information for you. So today we wanted to I wanted to highlight this organization all Otrolado, which is Spanish for the other side. It's a l O t ro

Thank you so much for that, Kara. That sounds like a good one. I feel like I'm going to get involved.

Next week's episode will be Savior Season eleven, episode fourteen, So join us watch with us VPN. I'm a VPNG girl now, so you.

Can do that. She got the stick y'all? She got that VPN stick?

Me?

Oh, is it a fire sack? I just thought it was like a fire.

There is a stick. There is a stick. Okay, I think there's some kind of stick. You're not crazy.

I'm Hulu Peacock and oh, I'm going to watch some housewives now that I have a VPN.

Oh hell yeah, I'm deep into girls Trip now I'm deep into the Berkshires. Oh yeah, it's good fucking dark Man. All right, we'll see you guys next week.

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