Wednesday's Child w/ Jessica Phillips

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And we'll show some of the glitter Cheese merch on our Instagram, but obviously Lisa's Instagram is going to have it, So follow glitter Cheese on ig for all of her merch and stand up stuff. And then what else is going on? Oh, well, we're late, We're in the time machine. But we're also late even in the time machine because big news. We did post this on our Instagram the day that it broke. But they caught the Gilg Beach Killer.

They fucking found the sky. It's so crazy.

They found some of his wife's hair in duct tape on the body. And this man is like a, ah, what is it an architect or something. He's just like a man that lives on Long Island with a family and a wife who has just been straight up killing sex workers and dumping them in Long Island. It's just crazy. Just like, I'm glad he was fucking caught. Yeah, Mattaiqua Park is where this guy lived.

And I wonder if they would have caught him sooner if it wasn't sex workers, or if they just really needed this break in the hair the hair was that was there more evidence?

I don't know.

I've been like poking around. The hair's the only thing I've heard of. I've been like looking at a bunch of stuff. But like a lot of the current articles about how his wife is so sad and her kids are upset because obviously their dad is a serial killer, and that's you know, that's a lot. But I guess CNN has an article that says a flood of evidence has come in since the suspect arrests. So it's like, now that he's been arrested, I bet they're they can.

They can prove.

They said they think they can prove three murders, and I know they're trying to get a fourth one TechEd on there too. I think we covered one of them where they're saying he didn't do that, and like that woman's family is like, I think he did do it. Like I think it might be the woman that was found with her kid as well. I think they're saying that one maybe not connected, but you know, we'll see. I can't wait for this to go to trial and this guy to fucking get you know, get what's coming

Everyone is going to find you with your DNA or your hair or whatever.

Jared and I talked about this on stage and he goes, what are the chances of your hair being on me? I go, very good. My hair is all over our house. It is constantly like girl's hair. At least mine is fucking fully in making dust bunnies in my house always.

So everywhere I go, my hair is dropping.

My little single use eye drops are there is a trail, and there will be bobby pins.

Yes, I know where Lisa has been because of those single use eye drops.

For sure.

I always like check them to see if there's anything left in them. I'm like, oh, this is still a full one.

Well.

And then from Gilgo Beach Killer, we have to go to the other big news that time Machine vibes, and that is the Barbie movie.

Oh yep, we both saw it. We did both see it.

And you know, I am not at the posts I were seeing on social media. I do not I'm not there. I was not bawling at the end. I did not find it.

Feminist a friend of ours that we both have some difficulty with. I just saw her on Sunday and she was like the end, I mean the end. I was bawling at the end, and I was like, oh, the montage of women living their lives, that was maybe.

She was like yeah.

And the whole time I was watching it, I was like, I can't believe this is getting me. And I was like, yeah, I can't believe it was getting you either. Although I did. I do admit that I teared up a couple times during the movie. It wasn't during that.

I just.

I have been saying I liked a lot of it, and I didn't like a lot of it.

There was a lot of it I thought to like, but there was a lot of it but I didn't like.

And I just think we're all in a marketing haze, yes, where we were just anticipating for so long and everyone's like it's incredible. So you're there and you're kind of tricked in a way of like this was everything. But then I ask anyone write us in what was feminist about that movie? It was supposed to be about a movie about Barbie. It was a movie about Ken and the patriarchy. Ken had the songs, Ken's had the jokes. Why would Ken go? Why wasn't it a movie about Barbie's and women and girls?

It was about men. That movie was about men.

So to me, I, why would the president Barbie have less lines? And oh jokes then all these and it was a very white movie outside of Isaa, who had maybe a few lines. It's just like very white, vetero, very heteronormative. I don't know what the conservatives are upset about.

But you know.

What I liked was when they first got to the human world. Like that to me was fun because it was like, and Karen and I talked about this a lot, where it was like, she doesn't show, she tells, and the whole point of storytelling is you show, not tell. And it's like she had heavy handed monologues and messaging, and yet the plot abandoned all of that and it didn't show anything. It was just like, yeah, it was

You were a kid?

Mm, that's why the Kens don't have anything, because we don't want to play with Ken.

But also the try to make Ken happen.

The lives that Ken's had in the beginning of the movie are the lives that men think women should be happy to have. You should be happy to sit around and look pretty and do beach and like, you know whatever, And I mean, actually I think they expect more from women. But like that that it wasn't that bad what they were doing to the Kens.

The thing was bad.

It's if the whole thing is how girls play with the dolls is what makes the word Barbie land move.

Young girls are not playing with kens.

I liked more, like you said them in the real world, Barbie and in the real world, or Barbie in a couple more Barbies in the real world would have been fun.

I liked Barbie in the real world. I didn't think it needed to be Ken.

I didn't need to think Ken needed to have the big epiphany about what it's like. I mean, like we've talked about this before, but like it just all felt very ten years ago, Like the discourse was like very ten years ago. Again, I do think it was like a huge thing for her to make this massive, corporate juggernaut movie based on a current, beloved, known property but also a controversial property which all lot of people think.

But I just never was affected by Barbie in that way. I just liked playing with dolls, like I don't do boys think they have to look like Batman, Like I don't understand why. Like as kids playing with the Barbies, there was never the dolls did not affect my self esteem. Like it's the messaging around it. It was like grown ups telling us it's bad. But like, I don't think a Barbie in itself is bad.

Well, I think that people might argue that, like you don't know that it was affecting you, like subconsciously, it's in your mind, like oh, you want to be like tall with a thin waist and like wear cool clothes and like I don't know.

Yeah, But I also had tons of other dolls, and I didn't look at any of my other dolls going well, I gotta look like this witch, like.

You don't know me.

And like I had stuffed animals. I had popples. I had a stuffed bunny that smells like jellybee id like.

Too, I love my popple.

Oh my god, No, I had a glowworm. I know what you're saying, Like I never really felt. But I also think my window with Barbie's was very short too. I was not like obsessed. I think I had a few and we moved, and I like don't think I had them anymore, Like they were not a huge part of my life.

But I wonder.

I'm sure there's a million pieces of feminist critique out there about how Barbie, you know, was horrible, But what I'm saying is this movie it's like you're you're right, it was a marketing haze. Like we have been like assaulted by Barbie so many corporate tie ins, so many we love Barbie, Like that's the thing, Like we get to still like Barbie's exists outside of this one movie as well. But Julia brought this point up since we've talked, and I didn't think about it.

But this whole thing of like.

The side with Margot Robbie where they were like and it's weird that we booked Margot Robbie to be having this speech about not feeling good about her so or whatever. But it's like the people that care the most are people like Margot Robbie. Her whole career and everything is bill. I mean, she's very talented. I would say the acting this movie is great, but it's like those are the

But I think she did. That's why I like the moment she goes, I know it, the woman goes. I know she wasn't like, wow, Barbie, this beautiful girl told me I'm beautiful.

Like she wasn't like flabber like, she wasn't thrown at all. She was like, yes, of course, I'm fucking beautiful. That's what I liked about the woman, like the woman's compet.

The woman's school. But yeah, I just thought that.

But back to like the Ken thing, Like when the Kens had Barbie Land, they put them in made outfits, took their jobs, took their houses, started a war, tried to take away the constitution, made them beer winches, and the Barbies had to apologize to the Kens because the Ken's had to do beach because girls don't play with Kens.

We don't want to play with Kens.

Like I know all the Ken enough merchants selling, but like no one's gonna start buying Ken's nobody wants a Ken. That's why I don't understand why the movie had to be Barbie and he's just kn' fuck Ken. Why can't Skipper talk? Where the fuck is Skipper?

Where's that bit?

The point I agreed on and I agree on the most is like it would have been cool if it was like just a movie for girl, like just a girl movie, like just a movie about a girl, toy four girl like four women Like that's.

But then I liked what you said where it's like, we can show these themes like if Barbie's trying to talk and men at Mattel keep interrupting her, Like there's ways to show these things without heavy handed message.

Yeah, like abandon in the plot.

The America Ferrera like long speech like killed me, Like that was so lame to me, And I was just like, there's ways we can show this instead of telling it, like have Barbie in the real world a little bit longer, like have her really I don't understand, like here men don't listen to me when I talk, or I don't understand here like Ken and I both wanted to get the same job and I'm getting paidles.

I don't know. There's all these like this is brainstorming. I'm obviously not a writer for this movie. No, like it would be fine.

And just now thinking and it's like, if the patriarchy's so good, why didn't the Kens go to the real world. Yeah, because they would actually have to get jobs. They don't want it, and they were not qualified to do anything. Yeah, he couldn't do anything there. So it just the thing is we're allowed to have bad I'm gonna see it again. I'm gonna probably watch it on a plane. I'm gonna keep watching it. I'm sure it's gonna be in my repertoire, Like I watch movies that are worse than Barbie.

But I just don't think it's that good.

But where I hope there's a Barbie two and three and women get to just direct stuff, and hopefully it's not just one woman at a time. I really hope it's like Barbie two, just about the barbiees, Like, like, just make it about the Barbie because now it's like you've already sold it, it's already made agajillion dollars.

Like let's just it's proof of concept.

Now make the second one a truly like feminist movie, because and the.

Guy Ina collogists like that to me is the dumb Like the guino isn't fun. So what you're saying is she goes to the real world and the best, coolest first thing she could do as a woman is go to a medical professional.

And like what you said that a woman with a vagina that goes to the gynocologist is like the you know, that's a woman, which is like that's you know, there's.

A lot of That's what I mean, Like the right being so mad about it, it's like it's truly making ken sympathetic. That's saying that a matriarchal society is as bad as a patriarchy, which in Barbieland was proven not true. But the Barbie Stilet's apologize it's pink and blue, like I don't know why the conservatives are so mad, yeah, or.

Like articles about people walking out after ten minutes with their kids because it was like inappropriate. I'm like, I do not know why can't Yeah, but our friend doesn't want to take her daughter, and I really liked what she said. No she doesn't want to no, no, no, she said she would take her daughter to the first half and not the second half. Yeah, but I know you should. That's why I don't tell them.

Yeah, So like I don't get like why the first ten minutes or fifteen minutes offensive to anyone, That's what I'm saying.

I think it's people who just like think women should be moms and that's that like maybe the baby dolls being crushed.

Oh maybe, yeah, but yeah.

Our friend was basically like, yeah, my daughter is seven, she loves Barbie.

Like I want her to see.

I would like let her see the first half, but not the second half where like the patriarchy takes over and a woman does a monologue about all the ways that it's terrible to be a woman and that like you have to be thin all the time. And even though that's like such a retrograde like thing, like we.

Don't, I don't know. It's like like.

I said, like I said, Sam joke, you have Lizzo doing a fucking song and you have a plus sized Barbie and then you're saying, oh, all women want to be thin, Like it's crazy to me.

Yeah, it's like, stop telling girls they could do anything they put their minds to. It never occurred to them that they couldn't, you know, Like that's the silvermant thing where it's like that's that's the thing with the Barbie. It's like, I don't think young girls even think that. All most kids think their moms are the most beautiful people in the world. Yeah, you know, like daughters like all like little kids, you know, we're pushing the thing

Turn me into a teapot bitch, like about that's what I'm about.

Anyway, you can we're out there talking about Barbie in other places, so if you want longer versions of that, but uh, we gotta get our podcast started for today, so let's go back.

Tell us what you think.

Dm us like, yeah, but it's just like, also, the person that cried at the end of the group that I was with was someone where I'm like, you're so annoying. So then to me, anyone that was like crying I'm like, you're a fucking idiot.

But I did cry a couple of times, but it was like random parts like and some parts like hit me as a mom or whatever, like you know, it was.

Just so And shout out to Kate McKinnon. Of course she was good. She was so fun.

Oh a lot all the acting I thought was fun. I wish they'd given some people bigger parts, you know, like Israyah. Wanted to see more from like totally, but I thought the acting that we saw was good. And Ryan Gosling is very funny in it. He did a great job with like what he was given. I think we just don't like what he was given. No, it's fine, But why can't Barbie be funny?

Yeah? Why can't the Barbies have a song? It's like it truly was.

Centered around men. Men had more lines than most of the Barbies. Midge was silent.

Oh yeah, the pregnant woman, Oh my god, Like.

Even Alan, even Alan is this other hero and it's like everyone's like Alan and Ken. No one's even talking about the Barbiesugh. Yeah, it's just upsetting. But I love Barbie. And then it's like the Polly Pocket movie is gonna be Dunham and it's like, I love girls so much, but the ending actually is similar to me than this movie. It's like a disappointment and a betrayal to everything you were, like I wanted it to be, but like, can we have other people? It's just like it's frustrating. Yeah, yeah,

It is the way. And people keep saying and I keep seeing people.

Say like I love the Barbie, would be great message or whatever, even before they critique other things, like I saw a male comic that we both know, go fun movie, great message, but the jokes were hack blah blah blah.

Didn't like the jokes, and I was like, whatever, Like.

What's the matter? I want people to explain the message. Yeah, the message was interesting.

The messages become a ghost and be trapped in the Barbie factory.

That's the message.

Sacrifice everything you are as a woman and a person to go be a ghost in a factory.

Go to the guano bitch. That was the end of Barbie.

Sorry we didn't give a spoiler alert before this. If you haven't seen Barbie, apologies, But let's get started. We've got a great pod for you guys today, don't go anywhere.

Okay, so Wednesday's Child very on trend, you know with Wednesday who ended up being so annoying?

Do you find or no, wait, what do you mean?

Like the actress who plays Wednesday and Wednesday just became insufferable. I know she's a child or whatever, but like she's like twenty, I mean like she's insult sufferable, Like she is so annoying to listen, Like you didn't feel that?

Oh I didn't watch Wednesday. No, No, I'm not talking about in the show.

I'm talking about her in general, like her on SNL and stuff. Yeah, I didn't really interviews.

Of Like I just woke up every day and I studied my lines and I I didn't believe you.

But then she also had that thing where she goes, I just like redo the writer's lines because I think I like know the character better and it's like, Okay, they're professional writers, though, ma'am. Like, I'm all for ad libbing, but like you can't like rewrite the lines of the writers. Wait, I just googled this. Do you know what Wednesday's Child

I think. So we just cracked the code. That's cool.

So yeah, Wednesday's Child, Season fifteen. It is episode fourteen. Hulu would have you believe otherwise, but we are correct. So it is a terrifying start. Truly, I gasped. It's William Lewis. It's a ghost, it's a vision. He has a full scar, a waxy finish on his face, tight little haircut and a tie, and it's a shadowy in the night. Vibe and he is saying TikTok Olivia, and an old timey thing is ticking back and forth. It looks like a science clock. I've never I have not.

The digital clock says four forty eight.

But our baby Olivia is not sleeping and it's a nightmare or is it a living where? Like is she awake? So anyways, the horrible vision is happening. She has a little baby bob hair do also shock she has a tea kettle. Honestly, she's such a coffee girl and she would never drink instant coffee. So like, I get that you can contain multitudes, but I am confused. Maybe she's trying to drink tea to go back to sleep. Just the whole tea kettle threw me for a loop. Yeah.

But this is twenty fourteen. Was everybody doing the electric yet?

Well?

I know the Russian community was oh yeah.

I just feel like they just became popular in the last like three years.

But maybe i'm now. But you don't drink tea either. I don't. Yeah, I don't, I don't. You're right, you're right now.

The Tragers have had electric electric cattle ready, ready, yeah, the water gets.

My family doesn't even Oh well, you know what my dad does chemes, you know, and now Jared does chemcks. So my whole life. We grew up with a tea kettle. But it was just a poorin to the chemics for coffee.

Did you just say porn? Poor? Okay, poor? I said porin to the comic, So it did sound like porn. You got me. I got porn on the mind.

But whatever, she does smile though she's not getting sleep, but she smiled, and maybe the thought of him being dead. But I've found joy with her. But then we see something else. She's at a store, she's at a drug store. She buys a pregnancy test. So was that the smile? I don't know. So across the world there's a man and he's at a gift shop at an airport and he's on the phone and he's telling his woman.

He's like, I'll be there soon and he's hot.

His name is John Benjamin Hickey and he's been on Watch What Happens Live twice, So okay, I.

Like that ninety seven credits.

He does work and he was in two season one episodes is eighty A Mark Hickey and he's at the Helsinki Airport. Hello, Finland. I've been there, so I noticed that flag and I knew it. I could recognize it anywhere. Remember when I was going to become famous in Finland that didn't happen, did not happen. There were there were some finished people at the in the audience of a show this week, and I was like, did you watch

Yeah, they'll welcome you with open arms, celebrity leads a trigger a beloved friend of Finland.

Yeah, I thought that that was going to be the future. No, but this is the story of my life.

I make every opportunity like New Year's and then after every opportunity, I go, huh, well, it's about the journey.

Anyways, that's what happens. Who is like this is.

When the money's going to come in and then I'm always like, you know what, what a great life, and.

This is a great experience. Another one for the books.

Yeah, I'm not going to be able to escape fascism as quickly as I thought. But it was so fun. I mean to touch a reindeer, and I mean it looked amazing every second of it. Yeah, lifelexcept for Yeah, one bad producer, but everything else looks great. And even we hugged at the end. But she also said, I think you're gonna be famous in Finland and maybe she evil eyed me. Yeah, I was just gonna see she cursed you, she took me down. So anyways, so this

Did you watch that? She was? When I did?

Okay, I knew I recognized her. She I don't remember exactly who she was. I feel like she was like maybe another woman in the community or something, but I think so a show. I don't remember this woman in like the braids with like the thing. Maybe she was in the real life part of it family right, No, no, no not, but like, yeah, she could have been like sometimes they interacted with a lot of real people that were like what are you guys?

You know? I okay, Bill's secretary and the company's junior bookkeeper.

Yes okay, so not in the church.

I remember her, Yes a secretary vibes Yeah, there we go. Perfect, okay, So daddy, you know, Daddy's like, I love you both, see you soon, and then it's like yeah, yeah right, it says to be you good luck. So then Benson comes to work. She sits at her little desk and we have amrro rollins Fin. The gang's all here, and Amaro's like you okay, and she's like, yeah, bitch, I'm fine. But then she tucks her hair behind her ear and sighs, so it's like what is like, what is up?

So she's now.

Out in the cold being like, oh hi, Brian, I've been trying to call you.

Is now a good time?

And that's of course Cassidy aka sexy and toxic. Then it quickly cuts to Olivia in therapy with her dude and.

She's a noodle. Bill Irwin he's been out on the picket lines here in La. Wait, but everybody Noodle's been out. Yeah.

Well, this guy, Bill Irwin is like a big whenever we talk about him, I think we forget to mention that he's mister Noodle. And people write us and we want you to know that we know he's mister Noodle. But mister Noodle, what can you give me? Even the reference Sesame Street? Sesame Street? Sorry, okay, is that right? Let me just oh my god, yeah, yeah.

It is, Oh my god, Yeah, it's so weird.

The episode wait, this isn't the episode where she has a dream that she's kissing him, right, No, it's not.

But we have to take this mister Noodle photo on Instagram him in Elmo cannot Oh my god, he's so silly and cute.

Okay, okay.

So it quickly cuts to live in therapy and it's her dude, and she's annoyed because you know, she has to take care of a lot of people in her new position at the squad. Being a boss is hard, and the therapist is like, honey, I know they're gonna mom the shit out of you. That sucks, but like, something's on your mind, So tell me what's really happening, and she's like, well, I thought it was pregnant, but I'm not, and I know I should feel relieved, and

Middle of the night.

Yeah, yeah, that is the most American thing. Let your kids sleep, It's so wild. But then god, he checks because his son is not there. Nikki is missing. He turns on the light in a panic. The camera spins around him. It's a stressed out dad. Lisa's sleeping and will not wake up. But also she is clearly fake sleeping.

She's like up on a lot of pillows.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I actually pride myself on being good at geometry, so I'm really upset that I fucked up these angles. It's okay, I am devastated. So anyways, but she is fake sleeping. It cannot be comfortable, so she fake wakes up. It's like a bad play. And all the lights are on as well, like it's full lamps, and it doesn't seem like she smoked an indaka jeter, you.

Know what I mean.

It's not like she passed out from all that Keith, So I'm confused. So she's like, oh, Nicky's asleep, and it's like no, no, no, he's gone. And she tries her community theater best. But also I want to say, the actress is killing it. It's like the bitch mom is fake sleeping, but the actress is playing a fake sleeper.

So well, so I know this is very meta, but we're.

At the credits and now we're back and it is it's I know, this is like obviously well known in our community and worldwide, but the song is just so good. The intro song is just so good.

No, and like every day you guys are new videos on TikTok of people just absolutely nailing choreo to this song, and it's don't worry, we will make our own soon.

We just have to hire a choreographer first.

I want to be somewhere where it starts playing like on like a like a techno version of it starts playing on a dance floor.

I would love that.

No, yesterday I started having fantasies of like walking into the SVU theme at my wedding. But would that be ghost you know it is crimes, yeah, like but like a nice violin, like do.

Do do do do do do do do.

I was down the aisle, I mean I go, I would I would shed a tear?

Oh not ile into the party as your entrance. Oh yes, boom boom, you just come out. Oh my god.

Because I was just at a wedding and they came out to the Succession theme song.

They did, Oh that's fun. Yeah.

And then I was dming someone that I met in Boston and were telling me about their wedding, and they also came out to the Succession theme. So I think that's in the zeitgeist. So but the song, it's like, I never skip. We watched so much SVU. I don't think people realize at times, like, you know, it's the episodes we work on, but we're also watching episodes to find guests at all times, and like, yeah, it really is constant. And I've never skipped intro. I don't think

I don't skip. I skipped the song.

I don't skip the song, but I do skip sometimes in the criminal justice system if I'm in a rush. If I'm in a rush, I skip in the criminal justice system. I just have only honest. I just had to be honest. I don't get to skip the song, though I do love the song.

It is just so good.

Okay, so we're back anyways, Winter Whear is going on. Benson and Tomorrow are in Black Beanies, and Olivia has a fur lined hood that is insane.

It is so fluffy.

Did she go to the Burlington coat factory? That is what immigrants were in the nineties, that is not.

LinkedIn Cote back. I told you that my mom used to wear.

My mom used to I would see my mom showing up at Hebrew School for like one of my things, with like her little fluffy hood bouncing behind her big fluffy hoods.

Big fluffy hood is so nineties.

It's so I don't I haven't seen a big flo well, I live in La Amorro. Also is like live chill, you didn't have to come, and she's like no, no, no. The father works the un This is high profile, so Nicki Moore, he's seven. No ransom demand or evidence of fourth century. The mom is Lisa, she's a stay at home mom. And the dad just came home from receiving

So now we have an old lady and it's not a bucket hat.

I don't know how to describe the shape of this hat, but I'm gonna go into detail. So it's a bucket hat, but the top of the hat is not tight on your head. It is puffy and the flaps go straight across. It's a fuzzy short top hat. And she's a neighbor and she's telling a white, floppy woolhat rollins like, oh boy, that little kid, he's hell on wheels. He runs into the street. He is wacky. And then we get exposition from the mom. He's from Georgia, from the former Soviet

Benson runs off. She can't talk to this mom.

She's deranged, and so she's getting the info blue pajamas trains, but the winter coat is hanging, so that's not good. So this kid is just like in pajamas in the winter in New York, out and about and so we have some dad time with Amorrow and he's like, listen, my kid is wild, has no friends. He's a bit different the first five years of his life for an orphanage, so he's gonna have some issues.

He doesn't bond with, you know, other kids, and.

It's tough and he even has a tough time with these adoptive parents. And but he's super friendly, actually in a bad way. He doesn't understand social order, so he doesn't understand family than friends, than strangers, so he's nice to strangers and he gravitates towards strangers. He has a lot of socialization and developmental issues.

And that's just the truth.

And it is really convenient that this guy does you and child behaviors, you know, like it's cool that he knows everything. So the mom starts to panic and to Benson, she's like, fuck, like he had a bad day, but I can't believe this, and be and soon asked, well, what was the what's the day? So they were in Connecticut, driving back from their house and she homeschools him, and Omaro runs in and interrupts because there's an added issue, and the dad is mad at the mom and he's like,

So now we have future pedophile.

Hank Abraham on the scene and Benson's like, I don't know who the fuck you are, but I'm not interested.

He flashes a badge.

He's acting Deputy Commissioner for Public Information. He has an annoying smirk and the squad hates him. But He's like, we got to let people know. We got to get the word out on the missing kid. Press briefing in ten Benson's like, wait what? So she has a chat in front of the cameras in ten minutes. But we have a door guy from across the street who told Rollins that Nikki had talked to a street guy called Keys.

Are these these.

Guys must say exists? I've just never encountered a Keys type guy. I think so because I think my aunt had one. Because she my aunt that lived in my apartment before me on the Upper West I think she had a guy that would move her car for her. But I never had a car in the city for more than like a few days, so I never really I just had to wake up early and fucking move that.

I hate all that in the city. It's so annoying.

Part okay, I just don't get where you put it, because if you're one person, you run around. But if it's like okay, Keys is doing the whole block, so he moves every car, like I can't even comprehend.

Well, on my block, everybody just moves over and blocks the cars on the other side, so like double parks, yeah, everybody. So if you're Keys, you just move every car on this road right across, and then those people.

Just can't fucking get out. But if they do, you're.

Around, so you can move the car and then you just chill there on the block until the time is over and then move them all back.

Damn.

And how much do we gotta find out how much your aunt was paying? Like I know, carrieus, I hope.

And then my other aunt is the rich one obviously had a garage.

So Abraham is not loving the spin of this, you know, situation. But it's like, honey, none of us like, what are you talking about? You think we like that there's a missing kid with diabetes. Anyways, it's fucking freezing, and who is keys Andre Deshields? Are you fucking kidding me? Tony Award winner for Hades Town. I did see it. I was in the third row and he deserved it. So I live a good life. And if you want to feel something good and inspired, you can watch his Tony

Oh wow.

And he's in an episode of Sex and the City that we will all remember. It's when Charlotte tap dances. He's the tap dancing teacher. He was on the Whizz in Broadway. He's got an Emmy, Grammy and Tony. So we got to get him in an Oscar flick quick. We need an egot here. Yeah, he's a choreographer director.

He's done somebody for somebody. He's somebody for Quentin Tarrantino.

Get him into something, yes, And he's just a theater legend, and but he is a black man. So once there are cops, he puts his hands up right away and they're like, oh no, no, no, chill, we don't care about the car. But he's ready. He's he's no spring chicken. He knows what's happening in the streets of New York. So they're like, all right, give us the scoop. So

The kid.

So she pulled in Nicki was not there, and he doesn't know where Nicky was. She took in the groceries, but she didn't check the backseat or the trunk or anything. And then he has a little catchphrase and he goes, hey, if I'm lying, I'm dying.

I like that. Well.

So, Candy Burrahs was just on Watch What Happens Live with Aaron the night one of you did watch, Okay, watch I just saw this clip where she goes where she said, what you're gonna say?

Oh, the good advice.

Yeah, Candy is the longest running housewife, which I didn't realize, and she gave Aaron good advice and she said, just tell the truth. Don't lie, because then they're gonna show a clip of you lying and it's just not worth it. Tell the truth and say what you mean and just mean it like double down like you said it.

Yeah.

Yeah, Like they're gonna they have everything you said taped. Don't make them roll the tape. Yeah, So I bet, and I bet am Marie. She was so excited that Andrea Shields was on side. Oh yeah, because she's like a Broadway stand.

There is no way.

She wasn't like, oh hi, there's no way. She fangirls.

So whatever.

So they searched the car and Amanda's like, whatever, fuck the car, let's check the easy pass, Like, let's do that. We're on an island. And so the dad is stressed at the squadroom. It's been twelve hours. They let him know that they don't trust the wife, and he does not love that. But she's in the room with Amaro and Benson and the woods blind's room, not the cement bar's room, and they're pushing her on the time.

That's so funny. I always try to say, like, it's not interrogation.

It's like an interview room rather than interrogation, because it's not cement. It's not cement. Yeah, it's like blinds and wood. You're right, you don't understand.

When I wrote it this succinctly, I went, finally, finally, I don't know, not.

Cement and bars. I love it. Oh my god, it's always like the wood. What what the thing is? It's the nicer room.

It's yeah, I mean where they sit in a swivel chair and they get to have like a piece of paper and a pen or whatever.

It's not like the dead bars and cement. Yes, got it.

No, But I couldn't have been more proud that, finally we have such a succinct weight to discuss it, and I'm glad that you've been struggling for dozens of episodes too. Yeah, so we're in the woodblinds not cement bars. Remember that is that merch? Is that like best friends bracelets? Like I'm the wood blinds room, I'm the cement bars room.

You know, it sucks between us.

I feel like I have to be the cement barroom, and I'm pissed about it already.

I don't know.

I would say I am maybe a little bit more of a rigid personality than you, and so maybe I'm the cement room.

Oh that's how you know.

I'm very into like logistics and organization, and that's getting the cement room, and let's get it done.

I'm not, as you know, welcome to my home, as you never let anyone into my home. No, but in your spirit, you're welcome to my home.

If I just had one more room, people would be at my house all the time. I loved to host, but yes, it's just not possible. I have so many boxes of liquid death in my studio apartment I can barely open the door. Thank you Joanna Angel for sending me these liquid deaths. But I am drinking them.

Look, I want to try one of these Arnold Palmer liquid deaths.

I have tried when I come over to do laundry this week. Yes, bring them over. That's my payment. I want three Arnold Palmers for you to use my laundry machine.

So they're going to.

Push her on timelines, details, get infos. She mentions the groceries, but also Nikki was asleep and he's seven, so how'd you get him in the house? And she's like, excuse me, and it's like, yeah, bitch, they know you're lying.

You're done.

She doesn't like the line of questioning, and they're like, how many groceries?

She's like, why does it matter?

They're like, well, how would you carry a seven year old with in winter with a bunch of bags? She goes, why are you asking me this? They're like, well, is it possible. Nicki wasn't with you when you drove back from Connecticut? She said, are you insane? Of course he was, and they're like are you sure? And then they show her a photo on the bridge. Nicki's not in the car, so she starts to cry. Benson's like, Lisa, when was the last time you saw him? She starts sobbing very loudly,

You know? Tell me where he is?

So now we have Amoro, Rollins and Benson in the spy window and they're so frustrated. She won't give any details. She just keeps saying I had to do it, and the husband has no idea. Amorrow asks and Finn pops out of a corner like nah. The husband not a chance. So their plan is to put Daddy in the box and see if she'll spill to him. So let's go. He just doesn't even get it or can comprehend it. He's like, what does this mean? She's like, I had

She was losing her mind. He's like, where is Nicky?

And then she's a gaslight talks at Queen instead of like answering where NICKI is?

She goes, well, where were you? Where were you? And it's like, where's Helsinki.

And it's like, well, we know he was getting a humanitarian award, so you don't look good. But then she has a great point. She was alone with him for six weeks.

What dude, you can't go to hill Sinky for six weeks when you have like a special needs child, Come.

On six weeks or bring them with like six weeks. He's a lot.

But then he comes back and goes, I said we could hire someone, and she screams unarmed guard and it's like, okay, why not he said let's hire help.

Like you can't.

Yeah, he did leave, but it seems like he's wealthy. You have two homes. So to show how wild he is, she says that he opened the door when they were going seventy on the freeway. I would not be happy about that. Amaro cuts in. He's all business like out of nowhere. He's like a vampire bat hanging and just like appeared sexy as hell. But he has a sad question and he goes, is nicky alive? And the dad puts his hand on his face and it hits him

That's bad.

So she's like, well, the family is that a clean break was what was best and the dad is like, why would you lie? And Benson waves her arm like enough and then swings a chair to the table to get eye to eye with this woman and then like like it's Benson in business, Like she's in business mode. It's intense. It's like the urgency has stepped up. She looks right at this bitch and goes, who is she? Who is She start talking and she goes to the woman.

With me has not fucking wild d breaker.

Yeah, but it's not. It seems like he stays with her, like I don't get it, but I guess he really understands the brain.

Oh god.

So now we see Hank Abraham in the office and he's summarizing what just happened with Benson and the family service lawyer Pippa Cox.

We love Pippa Cox.

They are married, and it is funny, like there's not one vibe of marriage here.

This is the only episode they ever appear in together. This is the only scene there ever appear in together, besides when he gets.

You know, the pedophiled. Yeah, I am shocked that there's not even like a little look like it is so funny. So and I love seeing like old office phones. It reminds you of my past, so I like it. So now they have to figure out like the baby broker and get to the bottom of it. And Hank is like, you go arrest the mother, and Pipa hops since she goes, yes, I can charge her with filing a false report.

But that's it. I can't do anything else. What what wild?

What do you mean you can't do anything else? She dropped the kid off like a kitten on the highway. Great analogy, Benson, great analogy and Pepa and that would piss me off.

And Pipa gets it.

But there are ways around, like the law unfortunately, and Connecticut allows for non legal transfers of children.

Cool loophole Connecticut. What it's also like, they're not they're not.

I guess they have a house in Connecticut, so maybe their residents of Connecticut. But it's like I can just go home and give one of my kids away when I'm visiting my parents, just like throw them to someone else, good to know.

It's just kidding, I'm kidding.

It's fucked up, these internet middlemen. Hank calls it regifting. Pipa has to give a shout out and say re homing and then no, but nobody is tracking them at all, Like these kids are just being traded around in Connecticut, and Hank is like, well, we told the whole city the kid is missing, so we need to tell them like the it was found. And it's like that was your idea, Like this is so classic, like you demanded a press conference and now you're using the press conference

Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac it's a college. It's also a college in Connecticut. That's all I know about it.

And it's a childcare center in East Haven, Connecticut. And it's January twenty first, And I'm mentioning the date because I want everyone to understand how cold it is. Oh yeah, January, maybe it's fucking cold.

This can have anybody like talked about like when she dropped the kid off, did he have his pump? Did he have his insulin or was she just like figure out the diabetes part or what?

Yeah, they mentioned it later, she did drop him off with pumps, but it is fucked and they haven't mentioned it yet. So they go to this child gifting area and it's Patty Mayonnaise. It's Patty Mayonnaise. Her name is Constance Schulman and she's here to play and you might also know her as Yoga Jones and Orange is the New Black, and she's like, yeah, I found a new family for him on Wednesday.

Okay, Wednesday's child.

Another meaning, after Lisa dropped him off, Am I doing a good.

You did really sound like her at the beginning?

One second, you did. We lived in my neighborhood on the Upper West Side. I used to see her and her kid all the time.

Wow. Yeah, I just used to see her and be like it's Yoga Jones.

That's really cool, and so like basically Lisa dropped him off Tuesday and Wednesday she found a new family quick and Finn is like, okay, well the dad didn't sign off, and she's like, oh yeah, the dad wasn't involved. And then rollind' says like, okay, well give us the info you have on the family, and she has like a really goofy magic this like school bus vibe desk, like it's messy and all of this. And then I was like, wait,

Like it was a hands on Miss Frizzel was hands on in that Magic school Bus.

I loved Magic School Bus. I really did.

But it's also like, lady, do you still not see an issue with what you're doing? Like her energy is very like optimistic and childlike, and it's like, is this an act or do you really think what you're doing is an okay enterprise? But and this is where she says, Lisa brought extra insulin. Oh that's good, and the new

But to Yoga Jones, it's the same, like.

It's equal, And she goes, well, that's why they couldn't adopt their normal channels because he's in a wheelchair. And that makes me be like, oh, well that okay, I guess that makes sense. But there's still like get information. They truly there's no info. There's Alexa and Roger Smith as the names we get Rollins reads the address out loud, and Finn knows the address of Yankee Stadium wildly, and it's the Yankee Stadium address, so the music swell. She goes,

They seem like good.

People, but they have no ideas nothing. How do you not take an idea of someone that's taking a kid crazy. I just I can't even understand this. Are you going to answer any of my questions in the real crimes, like what is fucking going on?

I mean, there is something similar, but I don't have any answers to these questions. It's crazy.

I just want to know, like, does this bitch Yoga Jones thinks she's doing a good job or is she a criminal? Or does she not care? Like what is happening? Gonna you're not gonna photocopy an ID?

At least say these ideas are fake, Like, at least say I took an ID and then they turn out to be fake, like it's this it is really crazy God, And.

Then she goes, I could draw a sketch for you. So then finally they're like, okay, like we hate you, but what kind of car? And she does have details It was a church lady van blue for a handicapped driver, and the license plate frame was a dealer in Mount Vernon because she remembers thinking about George Washington, so that is helpful.

And there are sketches.

So now we're in the squad room and we have picks, we have all the information they're known as Roger and Alexa Pearson. They're both on the registry. He's a producer and she's a former porn star. But obviously there's more to their registry. Shit, it's good stuff. So they were busted in the past. He did eight years, she got probation, and now they've adopted Nikki, and it's like, what the fuck are they doing?

Rogers four other aliases?

She has three other aliases, and also the photos it looks like she's going a burning man like everyone going she seemed nice. Is so strange to me because she has feathers in her hair and a fedora. She looks deranged, the amount of eyeliner on, Like like, I just.

She seemed nice.

She seems hopped up on drugs and about to like dance to the disco biscuits, Like there's no way she looked like a family woman, because there's other like criminal fans like Margot Martindale played like a you know, a person who chained up kids in a farm. But it's Margot Martindale, And I can understand if someone goes, oh, she seems she seemed nice. Yeah, not Rosanna Arquette, you know, I mean, dude, you know what's crazy.

Rosanna Arquette just a couple days ago, was trying to park her car at a Malibu shopping center and instead of reversing, she went for and she slammed into this thing and like took out three pillars that support. It's like nobody got hurt, so it's like you can kind of laugh about it, but it's this like wild like oopsie Daisy Rosanna Argett, Like I heard about it on another podcast and I was like, oh my god. But she's like this.

Their whole family, I feel like, has like this wacky They just have like wacky vibes in the Arquette family. I feel like, so basically this Alex, Alex and Roger there they found a bunch of evidence of them being on rehoming bulletin boards. So they troll for unwanted adopted kids to star in their movies.

This is dark and.

Then they're like, well, we got to find these people, like what about the FBI? And Tomorrow was like, no, the FBI says that, like these kids have not showed up in any videos yet, so we signed some relief until Rollins is like, yeah, but it could be a live stream and It's like, fuck it could. And then Benson's like, listen, these are grifters. Look for welfare, unemployment, disability checks. We will find them. And Finn links them

Nobody is there.

The neighbors told them that the old tenants left after Hurricane Sandy, and these people showed up saying that they were relatives. The thing is, they just look so shady. Is this like a whiteness type thing?

They literally look like the textbook definition of grifter people like this.

There's like a picture of these two.

People because it's also the guy is from Sons of Anarchy.

He's he's like big, like a big presence, gray, long hair, gray or Mark Boone Junior is this guy's name, and he was he's on Sons of Anarchy.

He's like, yeah, he looks like he's either a biker or a former porn producer who's now making childborn Like that's kind of his look.

Yeah, and he looks like a Boon Junior, you know what I mean. So you know, they knock knock, all the doors and windows are boarded, and the neighbors are like we did hear kids playing, but it looks empty, but they're in there.

They they're calling for.

Nicki and then they while they keep looking around, they're like, oh, they left in a hurry. I'm sure they saw the amberler and ran. They find three girls sleeping bags and they find Nicki's train blue pajamas. There's also a video

The kids like.

I'm Janet, like yeah, really sad, and they're in schoolgirl outfits and they're like, oh, you know, come join us for a playdate, and they're trying to include Nicki and Nicky's like get the fuck away from me.

Nicki's just in the corner.

He's playing, he's shaking no, and he refuses to be involved. And then Tomorrow is like, if this is what they left behind, what the fuck did they take with them? So Benson's in the office pissed off, like how hard is it to find a giant blue van and a man with a wheelchair? And I do feel they're aggressive about wheelchairs here, like we you know, like you can't just there's a man in a wheelchair. It's too you know, relax, not relax, it's important.

But I don't like their vibe of like how hard is it to find a grifter and a wheelchair? And it's like they're not all grifters anyway. So then they're like where are the girls from?

There's no fucking info on them nowhere, no missing kid lists, nothing, only screen grabs from porn and they're trying to track those down. And then Humanitarian Dad and the worst mom in America run in and they see the screen of all the investments gation work and they're like, wait, fuck do those people have Nikki?

And they turn off the screen really.

Fast and she's like, I told you not to come here, we'll tell you if we find anything. He's like, please, I know what child exploitation looks like. I work at the un I've won an award. Lisa gasps and finally it hit her and she goes, what have I done? And he's like, shut up, it's not about you right now. Finally someone shuts her up. This is a narcissist. Yeah the woman. Yeah, still, she started me. She struck me though, also as like very pilled out. Like the whole time,

She's like self medicating, Like she doesn't seem like she's all there.

No, I don't, she is pilled out. You're right, you're right.

I also don't understand, Like, Okay, you have a kid and you don't want it because you're a bad person. So then you give your kid up in these weird channels. Okay, I see that, Why are you a dot? Adopting a child takes so much work, so like, how are you adopting a child? That's a lot of paperwork, years of wait and then give it away.

We'll get into it. Oh, in the real way, yeah.

Because that to me, it's like it's like I don't want a kid, so like for me to start adopting it would be so yeah. But if we're and then I go, never mind, Yeah, we'll get into it.

You're right, you're right.

It's just it is just so sad to think about these kids just dropped off in Connecticut and oh my.

God, oh my god.

Anyways, so the reason the parents ran in is because they did get a low insulin blood sugar warning on their phone.

So they're scared at what the data is. Scared.

Oh my god, look, I wrote the mom seems heavily medicated. Yes, yeah, okay, we're on the same page. Benson then yells to the squad to put out an alert to every pharmacy and like whatever with photo and the insulin scoop. So we end up at Cross Bay Pharmacy. It is Rosanna Arquette and I know her the most from The L Word.

She has wild sex scenes with Kate Mennick.

Oh really yeah, And also pulp fiction is huge for me. But she has one hundred and fifty seven credits.

Oh yeah, Like she was a really big star of the eighties and nineties, like I used to see. I remember seeing her in this really creepy movie with Dennis Hopper. I don't remember what it's called, but it's like in my mind, like I have I like when I see her, I have like flashes of this movie, Like it was just on HBO.

I could probably look it up or one of you will DM it to me.

But yeah, she was in Like wasn't she the other one with Madonna and desperately seeking Susan or who's that girl? Or yeah, like she's yeah, she's a big.

Eighties galp nowties Dennis Hopper ever not put shivers up your spine. Finally, Like Dennis Hopper plays an evil person so fucking good. But she's at this pharmacy. It's in Howard Beach, Queens And so the photo of the suspects you see are like in the view of the pharmacists. They're hanging on like the bulletin board by the computer, and the pharmacist is doing a great job keeping her there. She's not like giving signs, you know, like usually people

So they gave her a little bit to work with.

But they need to know where Nikki is or he's going to go into a coma and then that'll be on you know, you and Roger, and she goes, no, that'll be on you. You arrested me like he would have had his insulin by now, so let me go. And Benson's like, wow, Bethany, Wow.

Wow, Bethany wow. Talk about women supporting women.

Wow, But you are bargaining while the kid is dying.

That's hardcore.

And Benson has seen hardcore and she says, lady, you have no idea anything these kids have had to do. I did backwards and high heels from the time I was six, and Benson's like, I get it, girl. You clearly had a hard life, street life. You got turned out as a teen. You you know you lost your baby, Charlie, and she says, don't you talk about him? So the

This is so sad.

So they're like, yeah, mom went to look for medicine and never came back. And then there's like this girl's mature as hell and like fully compose this vested armed cops run in and she's just like hey, yeah, like no no stress, no stress, sleigh.

So then then they say.

Uncle Roger took Nikki out for a treat, and they were left there and then they realized someone else is in the other room, and they're like, please, no, don't go in there. And then another girl pops out, Caitlin, and she's an older teen Vibe, and so she's in the room and she's protecting a baby. There's a fresh ass baby in a diaper in the other room of the hotel motel. So then the three girls have to

Again, just yeah, fucked. So she's said, but I get in the.

Context of this, but like it is just but it's like, you guys look crazy.

Wheelchair or no wheelchair, you look insane. You are insane. Like we don't need to even bring up the wheelchair.

She says that Roger said he found the baby at a train station bathroom and she didn't ask any questions, and Benson is disgusted with her. He wasn't gonna be like the other ones. She said CJ was my baby. Knock knock rollins needs Benson. She takes back the photo

Yeah.

So, anyways, where would he go if he was in trouble?

Where what would he do? What is up?

So they go to a Chinese restaurant, which which to me is comedy. This is a Neel Bear moment, like where's this big wheelchair guy?

The Chinese buffet?

Like it is just so nineties? And he is ordered I would say, no less than twenty dishes. This is a full, delicious dinner for eight and there might still be leftovers. I'm pretty I want to be there, like the food really good.

We used a screen grab of this dinner Thanksgiving post one year. We did. We absolutely did. I just love it.

And like the server tells on him immediately, like I've never seen someone just point to a man so fast. They probably hate his ass. He is Homer Simpson but with worse but like in terms of food, like this is a Homer Simpson episode where he goes to All you Can Eat seafood and then like bankrupts the restaurant. So he's chewing on his way out. He's sticking ribs

He's like, at least let me finish dinner.

But they drag his ass out as he is chewing like a lama on a rib and they start questioning him and he keeps denying knowing where Nikki, who Nikki even is. He's like, deny, deny, deny, and they're like, fuck, we hate you so and they're like and we know you can walk, so shut up, you liar, and he's like whatever, it's the best you can park anywhere. And your girl gives you spongebats, and that's twisted.

This guy is twisted. But then he has a good point.

He's like, oh, the people that gave him away one and back okay, And Tomorrow says, Alexa gave you up, babe, You're done.

She turned on you. He goes, no way, She's loyal as hell.

And then they show him the photo of him walking at the airport and he goes, ah, man, you showed that to her. Yeah, there's no bro code, man, no thin blue line is not for you, honey. Tomorrow says, last chance, tell us where he is to avoid getting the pedo charge while you're in jail. And he's still not being helpful, which is tough because no one wants

It's like Atlanta. He's a kid, he wouldn't know.

So they run to the flight that's supposed to be going to Georgia. They rush up and down the floor, you know, the aisles, They check the closet, the bathroom's locked. They make the flight attendant open it. I love the way she opens it. It's fucking hot, and the kids passed out. Hold They're like, is there a doctors? They're insolent on board. Oh my god, but the kids okay.

I have not seen that movie, you.

Know, neither I knew people that watched it in school. They used to show it in school for like like say Ecology, not Sybil. The other one with the guy James McAvoy. Have you seen that one?

Split?

I actually watched that movie, and I don't like to watch scary movies, but that one fucked me up.

It's yuh, it's not as way Betty Buckley's in it. Oh I don't remember her.

So then Benson goes. Honestly, if there were any better options for him, I would recommend that you never fucking have him back in your life. And she walks off like Lisa, you do not get sympathy from Benson here. Lisa yell's it's gonna be different this time, and Benson, without even looking at her, goes, I hope so, but he's so happy to see daddy, and you know, he's like, I got you, and they're hugging and hopefully this kid can get it together, and Dad is like, let's try

She goes, it's try.

Nobody wants this baby in a time where so many people yearn to have a child. But you know, this kid is unclaimed and a destitute child, so the baby will stay in child services until efforts to find someone to take care of the baby come up.

Then it's like the.

TikTok noise from the beginning of the episode happens, and then you know, Benson is just staring off sad listening to this baby news dick Wolf, baby, I am done talking, Get to the ads, get to the ad.

Well that's but that's baby Noah, This baby is baby Noah. We find we find out later, So this is technically his first appearance.

Is he can do us good?

Because you also mentioned Wednesday's child is a fortune telling thing, and I feel like this episode is a fortune telling to her getting Noah.

Yes, yes, she's having this dream. It's like a fresh test. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Okay, enjoy our advertisements and we shall return shortly. Okay, we're back. So this is based on a couple of different things. One is specific, one is more overarching. So I'll get into the specific case first. This is based on a case of Sky Metalwala, who was two years old when he disappeared from the area of Bellevue, Washington, which I think it's like outside of Seattle.

His mother, Julia.

Biryukhova, was a Ukrainian immigrant and a stay at home mom, and she said she was taking Sky, who was sick, to the hospital, along with her daughter, Miley, who was aged four. Julia said her car ran out of gas and then wildly she pulls over because her car runs out of gas, takes her four year old daughter, but not her two year old Sky to go find help in what world. Conflicting reports, Some say she was gone for two and a half hours. Some say she was gone for an hour an hour and a half, but

Modern la like Sky is such a like TV name.

But yeah, obviously this is this is horrible. Yeah, this happened in twenty eleven.

The cops though, found out, what's up, girl, Your car had gas in it.

Your car was working fine, so what's the story.

She also left the house to take her kid to the hospital because he was allegedly sick. No wallet, no purse, no phone on her She apparently wandered through all these neighborhoods on her way to go get the gas, but like, never found, never asked anyone for help. No one reported like, oh yeah, we saw this woman and her daughter looking for help. When she got to a gas station, she didn't even get gas. She called a friend to come pick her up and drive her back to the car,

So the mom I want to get on the podcast because she is from Insecure.

She's the camp gotcha or like oh yeah, we got yeah yeah.

Also an avatar, yes, not in a couple other episodes the people.

Yes, she's in the episode Avatar.

And she's also in the episode recently where she meets her like daughter, she gave way for adoption like later in life.

So I forgot about that one.

But I cannot all star Lisa Joyce is her name, and if I'm right, I just came up with that out of my fucking head, which is nuts.

I cannot believe that SVU gave this woman the idea of how to try to get it. But also they get caught in the episode. Yeah, not the episode to use when they get caught, like she didn't catch the end of the episode, but she.

Doesn't get caught, like, she doesn't get caught, Like what happened to this kid? Like no one fucking knows.

So the dad is Solomon Metalwalla Sky's father Julia's. At the time, they are estranged and they're going they're in the process of getting divorced, and he said through his attorney that Law and Order was one of his wife's favorite shows. So this is like where it's all kind of getting like come together. So Julia and Solomon and Solomon, as I mentioned as a Pakistani immigrant, were in the midst of a divorce and custody dispute when this all

So meanwhile, a couple of.

Years earlier, this couple, Solomon and Julia, left Sky only two months old, in a car at Target while they went inside for almost an hour and it was twenty seven degrees out. They said they were in there for twenty minutes and they didn't want to wake him up, but the store camera footage obviously busted them, and it was close to an hour. And it's like, I've been there where you want to like go run inside and grab something, but you like cannot leave your kids in

She was diagnosed with severe OCD.

And there's like details about how the husband had to like eat outside and sleep on the floor because she was so vigilant about keeping the house clean. And that's obviously a result of this severe OCD that she had. So when she was released from the hospital that time, Solomon filed for divorce and it did get messy. She accused him of being abusive and controlling. He said she

But my and if you're so ocd like, nothing is messier than a kid, like, I wonder how that kind of triggered in a two year old.

Yeah, and Miley, the four year old, did say Sky was in the car that day, so the four year old her account is that the kid was in the car. On her Facebook page also, Julia had posted all these pics of Miley but none of Sky. So you can check my Instagram. There are pictures of oscar everywhere. It's not just Rosy everybody. So anyway, Miley was put into

Who knows. But Sky Metalala never found. The episode is so fucked I know, it's so fucked up. And it's like, yeah, don't do anything based on Order and Lawn Order SVU except for the star cups hell overware. Yeah, leaving your headphones ducked into a car where you've been abducted to prove that you were there, you know, that kind of stuff.

Disrupted adoptions were becoming more and more commonplace in the years leading up to this episode, and this was especially common among adoptions from Eastern European countries like Russia and Romania, where some children were traumatized in their orphanages more than

It's so wild.

I mean, obviously, like all the early times matter, but it is so overwhelming, Like how all the touch like little things affect kids' behavior forever.

Yeah, yeah, I mean I can.

Get them, but if you're not touched, sure feel love for two years, you're just whole life is fucked forever.

I mean, that's why they're like skin to skin the minute the baby comes out. They slap that little guy right on you because they want you to like be immediately start bonding with them.

But it's just like not shocking. It makes sense that it would affect your growth forever, but like, yeah, you know, it's just so important. I don't know, I'm really Yeah, they're lying because it wasn't another episode.

Like a lot of them have.

FAS and they're not going to like tell people that what's FAS if you alcohol syndrome?

Oh yeah, oh wow, I didn't even think about that. I think that's really popular in Russia.

Like, oh, I didn't even I don't know if popular is the right word commonplace.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know what you were saying.

So just like in this episode, people do call this process rehoming, which to me, I've only ever heard rehoming talk about dogs and cats like pets, like I need to rehome my puppy he's biting my kids or whatever. Like I don't really love the sound of rehoming. But a couple of examples. In two thousand, a couple in Atlanta named Jesse and Crystal Money disrupted the adoption of their nine year old daughter, Kara Lee, who they adopted from Russia, and they sent her back to her orphanage

You got to pay for your kid.

This case kicked off a ton of scrutiny about the international adoption process and Russia's orphan crisis.

There was a.

Woman on the Parliamentary Committee of Family and Children named Yelena B. Missolina, and she said in twenty ten around this time, that Russia had more than seven hundred thousand orphans, which is more orphans than at the end of World War Two, when twenty five million Soviets had been killed. So you would expect an event like that to leave a ton of orphans, but in the twenty tens there

My question is, so it's happening in Russia more than anywhere else.

Right, Yes, Well, the percentage of orphans is four to five times higher in Russia than in Europe or the US. That number is as of I believe twenty ten. And of that high number of orphans, thirty percent of them live in orphanages.

It's so interesting because I'm trying to think of the cultural stuff because it's like because it's higher numbers of people being brought back too. So I wonder if the Russians are more secretive than all the other countries or if this happens everywhere. But also like there is just a nature of secretism where like you're not supposed to admit if your child has problems. You know, it's about

Secrecy shame to these things.

Yeah, and I didn't even come across the fetal alcohol syndrome thing, but that's a really good point, because I feel like that's an issue you know over there. But the other thing is because they're you're encouraged, like if you have a baby that has issues, like no one will judge you for dropping off a child with down syndrome like I do. I mean, I'm speaking so generally in like of the culture, but there's good people everywhere. But there's got to be a reason why the numbers are more all.

The other reason.

The other thing is is experts say that a lot of these kids are kept in these massive orphanages that are like warehouses, and they're calling they call it warehousing young kids, and that being in that huge facility like that also stunts their social and intellectual development. There's also an article that I put in my sources from the New York Times about this amazing orphanage where the kids get there's so many toys, the kids get fed great,

So I don't know.

But in the US, the cultural goal is to reunite families, and in Russia that's not really the goal. Like, you know, I've worked with foster children, and like you really want to find any relative that will take a child before you will send you want to send them to just a foster parent, so or someone that's not blood related to them, excuse me. And when people lose their kids, yes, the system can be fucked up, but there is a path to getting your child back, and that is what

So it's like, yeah, we're happy to put adoption on the table.

But it's like you don't care about actually getting kids good homes. You just care about getting your sanctions lifted. At least the Putin part of it.

I'm not speaking to you, yeah, because if you have like all of these orphans, like why wouldn't you want them in homes? But like, also, honestly, I don't hate that mom that at least put them on a plane with a snack in a note, Like it's not as bad is selling them to some underground thing. Sure, sure,

Yeah, exactly.

And I think a lot of the a lot, I mean a lot of the real there is not a lot of research. Basically, there's not a lot of data because adoptions are private most of the time, like even the public ones. It's like the disruptions are not always like recorded. It's like it's really hard to get data

Yeah, so.

Yeah, because there was another social media has definitely added an aspect to this, because there was another social media family where they were going to adopt a baby from like Thailand or something like that, and then the rules are you can't post on social media your kid for a year, like you cannot, and so then they decided to adopt the kid, and it's like, oh, so you

When you were a.

Kid, it was like it was It's like a brag thing. It's like getting a new lexus. They talk about these kids they take like it's souvenirs from a trip. It was really sickening to be around it. Yeah, and you know, we know people, I feel like this is deje vous? Have we just talked?

We talked about this, but maybe somewhere else? Oh is that it? Yeah? I don't remember. I don't either.

But we have a friend who was adopted from Korea and by like white evangelical parents and then and he is who he is.

They could not handle it. Yeah.

Yeah, so there is this weird like evangelicals love to adopt, but then they want you to be a straight little Christian.

Oh yeah, anyway they.

Want you to behave So it's like even the people you know for social media or for your religious afterlife, like, no matter how you look at it, if it's not just about the child, you are wrong or do we? And what sucks to We were talking about adoption. I remember in college. I'll I remember a lot from college because I was so disgusted by everyone I went and pretty open minded, but they were talking. We were talking about adoption and I had to take a family relationship class.

This is a Christian university. Oh oh my god. But he the sociology.

Professor, he's passed, but he was very you know, he was, I guess spicy for that community. But we were talking about adoption and they were all just like, yes, adoption, adoption, we have to help children. And as soon as it became about gay adoption, it was like, oh absolutely not absolutely not. And it's like you were just talking about how any like we got to save these kids and all of a sudden, never mind, they actually they should

Yeah, the adoption is so complicated, just like watching a friend, like friends of ours that we know, like ye went through the process of like supporting a mom and then they renag on it a couple times and it's like they actually feel like, oh, well, at least we supported someone who was in need. But it's like hearp, they got a baby, thank God, who's so beautiful and they

Yeah.

Well, because why isn't it free here or what are easier here?

Like the obviously motives? Yeah, yeah, totally totally. If you have more information about adoption, let us know. Yeah, and we will be right back to your sources because I'm interested. This is twisted shit.

Yeah, but we have a great guest, so don't go anywhere.

Okay.

Before I introduce today's interview, I just want to remind you that this interview was recorded prior to the SAGT. No one is violating any SAG rules here, and no one would want to. Everybody on our podcast fully one hundred percent supports the strike, and I just wanted to point that out before we start. And our guest today is exciting, a true Broadway baby. She has starred in the Broadway productions of The Scarlet Pimpernel Next to Normal, Priscilla,

Like cause we talk about it all the time. Yes, absolutely, No.

My friend Lane actually texted me and he was like, okay, so I listened to this podcast all the time, and he's like, I think he's listened to every single.

Episode you guys have done.

And he's like, and they did there, Yes, they did one of your episodes and they talked about you. And I was like, what, wait a minute, did they like me? Because let's start there, because actors need to be liked And so I didn't even know about your podcast until he told me, and so then then I went down the rabbit hole.

Yeah, and then yeah, that's how we that we need that kind of grassroots marketing so that we can get you know, we got you. Now we need to get Ludacros, Joan Cusack. There's a few more people.

So that's right. Everybody's friends need to be telling them. So, okay, where should we jump in here?

Do you know my story how I kind of came over from Warren's musical. That's okay, okay, So Raoul and I Raoul.

A Sparza and I, we're familiar.

We did a musical called Leap of Faith on Broadway. We start opposite each other in this musical. And you know, this thing had been kicking around for like ten years and had gone through all of these various workshops and had done some regional productions, and it just I think wasn't taking flight. And so they decided to hire a new book writer to kind of like restructure the book of the musical. And they brought him more in Light

I didn't know. I didn't even know this was happening.

And a casting director called called me one day and said, hey, can you come in and just do a cold read of this script? And I didn't know what it was. They just want to hear it out loud. I was like, sure, Sure. So I walk in the room and it's Warren Light and Glenn Slater and Alan Mankin who wrote the lyrics and the music for this musical, and Rolla Sparza, and I was like, oh, cool room. So I just you know,

That was Pippacox. Wow.

Yeah, So it was really cool and it was like, you know, I, like I said, I was just a theater gal and I just hadn't really done any television. And some of that was because I just worked a lot in theater, and some of that was because I didn't feel confident about my ability to translate right, Like I didn't. I didn't feel confident being on camera. So I was like, no, that's okay, I'll just stick to

Did Warren tell you that it was gonna recur? Or was like when you came on you just thought it was one or what he didn't?

I think he like might have said, yeah, we'll see what happens hopefully, but no, I was just thrilled to like have a one off actually, and you know it was was it was thrilling. It was thrilling to be there on set. And like, you know, my first my first day on set was not Wednesday's Child. I don't even remember the name of the episode them all this week?

So you did a second? Did it was the one?

I'll tell you it had a child named Jonah?

Oh yeah, it's born Psychopath, right that one? Okay?

That was my first episode. And Jonah is my son's name, So that's how I remember that. Oh wow, I have two sons and one of them is Joan. But my first day on set, my first scene, we were in the squad room and the entire cast was there, you know, like Marishka and Dan and Iced Tea and Kelly and Danny and I mean everyone was there, and I was I was like peeing my pants.

I mean, I was so nervous.

And we shot the scene where like I was standing in the middle. You guys probably saw it this week, but in the middle of like that, they were all in a circle around me, and the camera was kind of spinning and we were doing this like kind of high impact like you know, movement, and anyway, we shot the scene and then somebody just like yelled okay. I was turning around, and I didn't know what that meant, Like I didn't know what that meant in TV terms, you know.

I'm sure you guys know.

It just means they're gonna shoot the same scene from a different direction, right, I had no idea. Everyone scattered except me and Iced Tea, and I just like stood there. I guess I was waiting for somebody to.

Tell me where to go. I don't know.

And I was standing there just like awkwardly looking at Iced Tea like I don't.

Know what to do.

And then I just go, so, where do you live? It's just like an asshole, you know, And he looked at me and he goes I've been here fourteen years.

I just say the words. He's like, lady, just.

Shand down, you know, just say your lines. We don't have And to this day is like the most stage piece of acting advice I've ever gotten.

Just say the words, you know.

And he was so sweet and so that was sort of my introduction to the set and the.

Cast, and I mean everyone was amazing.

That's awesome. A nice circle walk and talk as your first that's right, that's right. Bit of shooting.

Turn it around.

Because you're you know, the Social services DA type of thing. You do work with a lot of kids, So how is it working. Do you have any stories with the kids from.

I don't, No, Like I never really had damages. No, yeah I would, there was not I don't have any memories of like having one on one with those kids. I mean a lot of it was like me standing outside of the.

Yeah you're usually behind the view room.

Yeah yeah, and even in the courtroom. Like, no, I'm trying to remember your kids.

You also had kids with the you know, yes, but I didn't know that then.

Oh yeah, I didn't know that until Collateral Damages.

Wait, so that's what I want to ask you about like they give you the script for Collateral Damages, you find out that A you're married to Hank, b he's a pedophile, and you guys have kids together.

No idea were you like what, Like, yeah, it blew away my backstory.

Like well, yeah, because you guys had another episode where you interacted and so you didn't know you were married at that point.

No, we did not know that. This is the only episode that you are in together sides Collateral Damages. This is the only one. Like the rest of the episodes, you guys are separate characters. So I feel like they added this. I don't think they had this conceived from the very beginning. I had probably you guys were going to be married now well probably not.

And when I rewatched that scene, I was like, yeah, there's no I don't even think there's a like a two shot with with us in it.

You know, Yeah, it was.

It was wild because I mean, all in all, I recurred for five seasons, and those first four seasons I was like, okay, uh, you know, she's like got, She's wearing expensive clothes and has a blowout, like for every appearance in court, and every time we seeing the blowout okayible. I mean she is like she is strutting some stuff there, and I mean, you know, eighties like in real life can't like they can barely eat.

Yeah, they just don't make a living wage.

And so I'm like, Okay, obviously she's a trust fun baby, right, Obviously she's like just putting her time in to like give back. But she doesn't, you know, she doesn't work for the money. You know, I had just constructed this whole backstory for myself, and she was clearly single, and she was like hanging out with the ladies from Sex and the City every night, you know, like this was

Seriously, Yeah, because you are kind of a character that most people, like I would say, like you have this sort of Alex cabin energy of like sort of no, like very smart da and then like this guy is just like a before the yeah, even before the pedophile stuff. Yeah, he's just a pain in the ass. He's always bothering Marishka's care like Olivia, right, and then you're like when you open the door, and then when you figure it out, You're like, wait, what these two.

I mean, I get you never know what goes on behind closed doors, but I just was shocked.

And then the pedophilia.

But it was a great episode for you because you really got to do a lot of heavy lifting in that episode.

I feel.

Oh in Collateral Damages, yeah, yeah for sure. Like I well, it's so funny because you know, every time I did an episode, I was like, I was like, well, yeah, like she's she's like really upset and and you know she loves these kids, and they were always like, no, she doesn't care. She's like sees fifty of these cases a day. She's just like very matter of fact, she's not feeling about it.

And every time I was like, oh, you know, like.

Because I so wanted her to be infused with some sort of you know, empathy and like you know, have something something to play. But you know they are the smart ones obviously, like they needed her to be matter of fact, like they needed that advocate, that Cabot energy, right.

Yeah.

So when I read this the Clatter Damages episode, I was like, oh, yeah, that's this is some this is something. And I actually had a moment where I was like, I don't think I can do this, Like I this feels like this feels above my pay grade. Meanwhile on Broadway like I'm I'm I played crying moms all the time.

Yeah, it's just like what I do.

So and I got to tell you, like Mushka took such amazing care of me during that episode. It was it was really a remarkable experience and to see her work and lead the company that way. Like at one time point we were like rehearsing something. I think it was that stairwell scene, and she was like, can everybody just get out, Like I just need to clear this room because we just need the space the two of us,

Yeah, we've heard it from a lot of other people, but I was one of my questions that I wrote down was like, you guys felt like you had like a good chemistry on screen, and so I was like wondering if you guys became pals off screen.

Yeah, yeah, yeah we did.

And you know, it's it's funny because she well, you know, going back to like when I went in the first time for like that very first scene that I shot, I was standing around like between takes, and like I was standing by myself and I just kept looking up and like seeing people staring at me, and I was like at like Mushka and like Dan Floor Dan Floric was like staring at me, and I was like, Okay, what's going on with this creepy dude over here?

Like what?

And we did a take and then after the take, Dan and Musha Marshall both come up and they're like, we figured it out.

We know how we know you.

And it turns out they had seen leap of faith because obviously Warren got everybody tickets and I think they were there like opening night, but they were all standing around trying to like place me.

Right, oh god. So it was very.

Sweet and so at that from that point on, you know, every time I was on Marshia would be like, Okay, so tell me about singing lessons.

Okay, tell me about like yes, she's like obsessed with Broadway, right, yeah she is.

And so we would talk about voice lessons and and all things vocal technique, and and you know, she was like and it's just amazing to like that she she cared enough to ask about other people. I mean, you know it just when you when a star of that caliber, you would think like, Okay, they're probably just going to go into their trailer and not talk to anybody. But she's you know, she just likes people and she's lovely that way.

Yeah.

Yeah, we literally just get everybody. I don't know that there's another person like in the business that people.

Feel so positively about, like maybe Tom Hanks. Maybe it's Tom Hanks.

Maybe Mariska Hargetts Say and Tom Hanks are neck and neck for America's Sweethearts.

Yeah. I loved that.

In season twenty two, I think they brought you back as just a defense attorney.

Yeah, they didn't like ruin PIPA's life completely. When I got Rist, they brought her back. So technically you could come back at any time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't.

I guess so.

I mean, I'm not dead in a trunk somewhere, yeah, I guess.

So.

Yeah. Yeah.

It was really like I was so curious to get that script.

We filmed that.

Right after the shutdown, it is like September of twenty twenty, and you know, it was like everything was just slowly coming back at that point, and and you know, I mean it was like all of these zones that for safety zones backstage, I mean on the set and stuff like that. So you know, it was just a weird kind of energy in general, and everyone was so happy to be back to work. I was doing a Broadway show at that point, and our show was shut down

Life, of course, but I feel like Hank like tainted her reputation just by association in a certain way, you know, Like fortunately, so a few things she could do, But yeah, I'm glad she You know, we're our eyes are open for Pepa to come back at any time. And we do have a mole in the casting department who listens to our podcast, so we want Puppa back amazing.

And this might be like too much of a little Easter egg, but we pay attention to the wardrobe so often, and it is usually dark colors, dark purples, we noticed, but in this episode, you're like bright orange or you're the only person I've ever seen wearing like a bright ass shirt.

Do you think that was for a reason. Did you guys talk about it? We did not.

No, I'm not sure who made that executive decision. I mean, like the wardrobe department over there is kick ass. You know, they're amazing, and for a long time they just like kept a closet for me, which made me feel really fancy, you know, just like stuff that I had tried on that they they would pull from. I was also like I was because I was going through a divorce. I was like underweight, you know. I was like I had lost a lot of weight and I was very thin.

I don't know, because she was a redhead. Who knows. I don't know.

I think they could be your red hair. They were trying to like make your hair pop or something.

Yeah. Yeah, but it was fun. It was fun. Like everything I wore there was just like beautiful. Yeah, what's going on with your Broadway life? We have talked to a lot.

Of Broadway people on the pod because there's obviously so much crossover and we do like to ask people like, since you've done a lot of Broadway, is there like a dream role that you have.

Yet to play that you'd love to play?

Hmmm.

I just played my dream role in Dear Evan Hanson, so I did that for a while and that show unfortunately closed in the fall. Yeah, I'd love to play mother in rag Time. I mean, just some of the classics, you know, at some point, like I'll be old enough for like Mama Rose, you know, those kinds of things. But no, I sort of feel like, I mean, I've spent a lot of my career doing original stuff, stuff in development, and I think there's a lot of good

Be imagined and put to paper.

What's the biggest difference about like theater actors and TV actors or like film and screen and then yeah, the theater.

Yeah, So, like theater actors are like super neurotic all the time and dramatic, and I think like most of the TV actors I've met are just super chill. You know, they're just like because the because the stakes are lower when you are shooting a scene, right, you're not in front of anyone live, you have a chance.

To do it over.

You're only doing it in small chunks, and for the most part, it's not even chronological, right, So yeah, it just it just is. It's just easier. And I have to say that it's like a more humane schedule. It's just easier to be on TV schedule because you know, you've got weekends off. I mean, you're shooting long days. Sometimes they're like fourteen or fifteen hours.

It's a lot of like waiting around, right, It's like your call time is hours before you have to do anything, or you're sitting in the makeup chair. It's like that's the way it's like I feel like you get there, you're on stage. That's some people for three hours.

Yes, and like you know.

Yeh shot out of a canon and there's and yeah, and there's just kind of no, there's no sort of stepping off that that that train once it's left the station. So yeah, and I think it just makes you know, it just makes theater people neurotic. Plus you know, it's not as it's not as cushy a living, so theater actors have to like hustle big time for their next gig. And that's just it's just hard on the ego. You know.

I'll be okay, you know.

Tell us about why women kill before you go, yeah, well it looks so good.

Yeah, that was that was my pandemic project because after I shot that episode of Law and Order, I flew to la and and did this series. And are you familiar with Mark Cherry and what he does?

I'm a Desperate Housewives Yeah, Stan, Yeah, there you go.

Yeah, So Mark Cherry wrote this and it's fun. It's like every season is different so it's like American horror story. It's like a whole new cast and a whole new you know plot. So this this particular season, the second season was set in nineteen forty nine, and so we got to do all of those like cool period costumes and like they even did our our nails, Like we had manicures that were reflective of like that that period of time with you know that that sort of nail art.

It was really cool.

It's kind of amazing because, like I, I think I was contracted for four of the ten episodes when I signed on, and then I ended up doing eight because as we were going along, they just sort of kind of kept writing and they kept writing for my character.

And then in the.

I guess eighth episode they did a big reveal, but we discover that, like my character is gay and she's having an affair with another woman in this coffee clatch right that we're following. And what those writers didn't know was that I had fallen in love with a woman in real life and that I was in the process of, like you know, leaving a marriage and and he didn't even know that.

They didn't know, They didn't know. Isn't that wild. That's so wild. How art imitates life? Yeah, or life imitates heart? What's the phrase? Exactly? Yes, yes, exactly.

So you know I got that script and I was like, oh my am I wearing a sign?

What's happening?

Right?

But it was cool and it was cool to film, and obviously, like I mean, it was all.

Suggestive, but yeah, it was.

It was kind of an I think it was like the universe like teeing me up to you know, have the courage to do that, do that in my life, in my real life. Yeah, that was fun. M Yeah, it's amazing. So that's why that's why I'm advocating.

For like gay Pippa as well.

Yeah, let's just get her out there like across the board.

Yeah. I know for a fact that that would resonate with the viewers. Gay would definitely.

I mean, we just got to give them what they want, give the fans what they want.

She was amazing, and I do have to say Jessica came out on top for me in a personal way because while I was in New York, my sister's like, I.

Want to see a Broadway show.

I want to see Anne Juliette, And it's like bitch, you could have given me a little more leeway. But then Kara remembered that Jessica mentioned that her friend worked at and Juliette, and so she hooked it up and I got.

To go see it because we got tickets and the.

Cocks and I got tickets from Pippa motherfucking cocks. So that's like very thrilling. So thank you so much, Sjessica and being such a good guest. And she listens. I hope, I don't know what she feels about our rampage about the Barber movie.

She was so freaking cool. We love Jessica Phillips. What a queen.

Honestly, the shock too, Like I saw comic and a friend Saturday and it was like, oh my god, I loved it. You did too, And I got no, really it was fine. I liked it and there were a moment what like it's also the shock like people like, you know, people are like nervous evens say something bad, you know, because then it's like you're against women. You know, women should make bad movies all the time. That's like the whole Yeah, yeah, that's the fun.

Now Jared's dying to see it because he wants talk to me about it, but I'm like dreading it anyway.

Well, yeah, because he's gonna love it. No, he's I don't think he is. I think he's gonna think it's all over the place. To be honest, I don't think he's gonna have it.

But do you think he's gonna join the right wing and thinking they made men look like idiots?

I think he might think a little bit of that.

I actually, you know what, I shouldn't even make I think he'll be like, I don't know, they were kind of like mean, like how guys were like so stupid.

I do want to say, Jared, did put your daughter in your underwear and send her to school? So yeah, and you're a grown woman, Yeah, maybe you can. You can tell him that they are tiny, tiny underwear. He actually, wait, he just texted me. This is so funny.

He texted me he took Rosie to the zoos so I could record, and he goes Rosie. A quote from Rosie is that animal is hiding from creditors.

What she made creditors But she said creditors, Oh my god, it is. But I also would assume that Rosie knows what a creditor is you know, That's why.

I didn't get it. That animal, that animal did not pay her MasterCard and she has been going to her up so cute.

I did go to the pool with Kara and Rosie and Oscar and it was really cute.

Yeah, it was a lot of kids splashing us in the face and Oscar kept going. Me and Lisa got pina coladas and Oscar kept going, Lisa.

Drink your smoothie. Drink your smoothie. I liked when you go, Lisa, do you like ice cream? Do you like tacos? He's so obsessed with tacos right now because of Dragons love Tacos the book. Anyway, listen, I can't wait.

I can't wait for Jared to be on Fox News going the Barbie move. He was mean.

I got mad.

Jared's gonna be out at our grill burning them like fucking Ben Shapiro, that little twerp.

I also, I know we have to talk about this episode.

I did you know?

We watched so much as for you non recording, So I was like, what episode is even in this? So I googled Wednesday's child sv and there are the cutest fucking photos.

Go to the images.

It's like Amorrow, like Danny Pino and the kids from the episode hugging backstage, it's Benson with the girls. It's Benson smiling at the baby. But I love Amorrow and the little blonde girl.

It's like so cute. Oh my god, she's got her leg kicked up in the back. She's like loves meeting Danny Pino.

Yeah, it's like really fucking cute, So so cute. But just wanted to let you guys know if you wanted to see something cute.

Yeah, And we love talking to Jessica, And honestly, if you're listening our casting mole, we got to get Pipa Cocks back on. She's one of those characters that like is kind of a small part in every episode, but we love her and we love talking about her.

Well, I want to see where she is now because she had to leave her job at child's Services.

How do you what do you do with your kids?

Like, like, how do you rebuild your life after you find out that your partner and the father of your children is a full child child you know, sex abuse, imagery, a pedophile. But he didn't act on it, right, He just had a lot of the stuff.

I don't know if pedophile means you have to act on it. Yeah, that's true, that's true.

And looking at images of children being raped makes you a pedophile?

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course, of course. But that's what I was going to say. Purveyor of child sex abuse images. It's the same thing. It's a pedophile. But let's get Pippa back on. I want to see what that bitches up to these days. As for this episode, the post mortem, Jesus, I didn't realize that there were dating.

A grift or in a wheelchair. Push them into a pool.

Aka from the episode Manipulated. You do not want to be spongebathing that like that guy for no reason. Okay, you if you start dating someone in a wheelchair, you make sure they're really paralyzed. I would push them out, shove them out. No, you gotta know if they can walk or not. They could be scamming you. And also, don't be shocked when a grift grifts you. I would say, you know, you think, yeah, yeah, people are gonna treat

I feel like this the true situation with all these

I mean, I guess technically you can, but you shouldn't.

Yeah, Connecticut, can we get some better laws, Yeah, some stricter laws about being able to dump your kids somewhere.

Without Yeah, like no no official transfer, just give your kid to another person. It's so crazy, but yeah, this was a this was a wild one this episode.

And you can't adopt a kid from a fucking orphanage and be like act normal kid, Like what the I know?

I know It's like, it's what you always say from the Colleen Stand episode, like expecting people to act normal after they've gone through not normal experiences and circumstances, you know, is yeah.

But also the dat it's just like, don't have a kid if you don't want a kid like lady.

Yeah, that lady was on pills. Man, that lady was on pills. They din't cover it.

Also, I'm thinking the Arquettes. Let's let's get a movie with all of you in it together. Yeah, all the Arcats, love the Arcats.

Let's get an ar Catte family variety show going on fucking Netflix. No, nope, We're striking against all those companies. Something live here in La. Anyway, let's get into our what would Sister Peg do for the week. This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards an organization, an article, a podcast, a movie, something that will give you more information about we talked about today, which was

That's Child Weelfare dot Gov.

In the article specifically that I'm referencing will be in our linked in our stories the day of the show release, and we'll always be saved in our WWSPD highlight. But the resources provided on child weelforre dot gov are meant to help families navigate an adoption that is disrupted or

So that's that.

Thank you so much for that. And I do have to say one more thing about Barbie with that bench scene, where it's like, even if that old woman feels great and is like, oh yeah, I'm beautiful, duh, the world is not treating them the same and it's ignoring that. Like that's why it's so annoying when people are like, love yourself, and it's like lots of people do. It's like,

It's like, stop acting like that. Yeah, you know what I mean.

It's like, no matter how you feel about yourself, no one will ever be treated the way Barbie, a person like Barbie is treated.

Yeah, yeh know what I mean.

It's just like it's what's it's condescending, gotcha, Yeah, it's condescending and delusion.

I mean she's a Barbie. She doesn't know the way.

Yeah.

I think it's like it comes from a place where she's opening up. I hear what you're saying, and the movie could have done more of that. But like that Barbie herself, she does not know people get to that age. There is no old Barbie like so I don't think she's like seeing women.

Oh yeah, why didn't I make an old Barbie? Oh yeah, old lady Barbie.

Her kids are out of the house and now she loves a glass of wine before bed.

Her little side things are like a vagina lubricant.

Yeah, what else?

Yeah, remov she has little Beniva chocolate's next to her bed.

I love that.

Oh my god, she's like, this is a heating pad. I threw my back out doing yoga. Yeah, oh my god. We love Old Barbie Stan Old Barbie.

Okay, anyways, next week we'll be doing Lead.

That is season ten, episode fifteen.

Lad everybody, Yes, we'll see you guys next week.

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