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Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up NSFU podcast. I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger and we're coming to you live still from a Cleveland, Ohio hotel room. The illusion is gone, the fourth wall is crumbled, and I do have to apologize ahead of time.
I fucked up the audio for this. I was ripping the card out Lucy Goosey no lube did not take care of the zoom recorders. So audio will sound bad, but it's okay because it happens.
Yeah, I mean, she just won't sound as you know, Chris perfect as I sound, I guess coming.
From my garage. Crispy Cracker, Crispy Cracker. Okay, I have something to say. So, so I went with my sister and her husband to a place I've passed a bunch and it said Relax Center and it's like, you know, a photo like a picture of the refluck flexology feet and like it's a massage place. And they're like, it's the best massages. You keep your clothes on. It was
one of the best experiences of my life. If you are a skokey person and you need information or scoop, you can DM me and I will, I will, I'll tell you what's up. But man, did it relax? I mean I was drooling.
It was the most slown massage.
Well, it's mostly like a foot thing, right, So first you lay on your back and your feet go in a tub of like warm water, and then he works your head, arms, shoulder, vibes. Then it's legs, and then each foot truly gets so much time. I mean, I was stoned out of my mind. But at one point I was like so sad that it was ending, and then I remembered I had another leg and I was like, oh, thank God, and so then so then he did the
other leg and then filipped. Then you get to flip over and then it's like regular backstuff, and it's like I was transported. Wow.
I love a good massage. I never get them enough, but I do love them.
And my sister, well, they're regulars. They love it. I would. I don't know why. I've never even it's by the Lover's Lane, and so to me, that's the Lover's Lane plaza. I don't really think about it. And so then to have this kind of gem there is incredible, amazing.
Oh my gosh, Well this segues perfectly. Maybe when we're in Chicago. Actually, as of this episode coming out, we will have just been in Chicago. But tonight we are going to be in Minneapolis, and we're gonna there Casey. We're gonna see Casey, our producer, producer Casey live and in person and probably on stage. Come on down, guys, come to the show. Oh my god, we should totally play a game. We should do a game. Are you gonna come?
Yeah? Where you have to pick between us fun questions.
Ah, oh, like the one on TikTok where they go who does this?
Who does that?
Yes?
Oh no, you yeah, you have to play. You're the contestant we made We're.
Gonna make it up.
Okay, we're gonna We're gonna do this all right.
Milwaukee is tomorrow. Well, Milwaukee, we've never come to you. We've always gone to Madison, but this time we decided to come to you and Madison, so come to us tomorrow night and then Thursday or what. I'm sorry, I don't know what day of the week it will be, but the ninth will be in Saint Louis, and then Sacramento on December thirteenth. New York on the sixteenth, with a second late show added.
It's not even a late show. It's at nine.
Come go get dinner and then come to our nine o'clock show, and then Philly on the seventeenth, and the Wet Comedy Festival in Seattle on January seventh, but Lisa will be there also doing stand up on the sixth. So yes, January six January sixth, baby, I did have.
Something to say about Lovers Lane. So I had a friend who did get She works there and she got a concussion because a box of Dildo's did fall on her head. What and then she got a second concussion that week too. It was pretty wild.
That is some fucking sitcom shit. Are you talking a box at Dildo's falling on your head?
Well, the funniest heavy was her nameplate said anal specialist, which I love.
Love that.
Yes, Jared just got rid of all these fucking books in my house. I've been asking him to get rid of for ten years.
Okay, I feel like when I met you, guys, you were you were making him get rid of books. Oh yeah, I think it's a constant battles, you just trying to get.
Yes, because it's like, you know how you like little Chochkey's and just like memorabilia and stuff like that. For him, that's books like our house would be flooded for Florida's ceiling.
Books if I wasn't like get rid of these.
And I get that there's some books you want to keep forever, but it's like most of them, it's like, once you've read it, I don't think you're going to revisit this book about life in the Renaissance again, you know what I mean.
Let's get rid of it.
So are there some that have always that have lasted throughout the years that are just the name stays. Yeah.
He actually has like these wild books that are like really big that are like the Big Book of serial Killers, the Big Book of Monsters, the Big Book of the like they're like more like reference books like encyclopedias for creepy shit that he's into. But honestly, and then like I keep some we have like some Shakespeare and stuff that I figure.
Maybe my kids will have to read one day or something.
Like.
We have some classics, but like my book collection has gotten so small and his is just like constantly growing. It has to be tamped down. It's hard being married to a nerd. Everybody difficult.
Yeah, but I guess it's like books and games is a little better than like full blown action figures. I think that would drive you crazy. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't.
He has like he doesn't have that stuff, Like all his dice and shit stays out in the garage. But this is I was actually watching yesterday before I left for the airport.
He was watching a horror movie.
He was watching Halloween four, and I was like, the acting was so bad, and I was like, are there horror movies with good acting? Like this is so bad? And he was like, I don't know if there's slasher movies with good acting, but there are definitely, And then I was like, obviously Hereditary, I know our Queen Tony Collette.
I know there are some, but like, what's a horror movie that you think of that has he goes maybe scream, I go, I mean, I guess that's good act but that's such a comedy that's like a comedy to me, like, okay, I have some I would say get Out, oh yeah.
Yeah, yeah, scary and good acting. I would say it follows is like it's really creepy and scary and good acting. Like you really I that movie. I've only actually seen once and I really am scared to ever see it again. And it came up I think it's on one of the streamers, so the previews started playing, and just that shivers. Is that the thing?
Is that the one where like you get a demon or something and then you have to give it to someone else. Yeah, but it's through.
So it's like if you have sex and then this like thing follows and you can't get rid of it until you have sex with someone else and then it follows them. But then I shouldn't remember more because I was so scared.
I mean, he's nodding, He's like, that's the gist.
I want to think of others. I mean, it's not good acting, but I love The Human Centipede.
Okay, Like I can't even finish the trailer for The Human Centipede.
It horrifies me. Like, but I do think, like I.
Don't know, or Eleton Key the Ring maybe blair Witch. Oh yeah, blair Witch, you know, not famously. I thought blair Witch was real, so that is good acting. My brother in law actually took me to that and he was horrified. And we also went to one where it was like the Ten Commandments were happening to people and he really would get scared. It's pretty funny. What other I it's just a classic.
One week after Halloween horror movie review, hear it that's messed up?
Were nothing if not timely.
Because now I love a challenge, I love a list. I love this. Yeah, you know that's why when I but I guess that's more of a yeah.
More of like a thriller, like thrillers to me, yes, the acting like has to be good. But like when I watch these like these like old seventies and eighties like horror movies that my husband's watching all the time, I'm like, this acting is so bad that I almost don't care if these people die. I know that sounds bad,
but like tell their actors. It makes me feel like it's fake, you know, if it's like if it's like Hereditary or some movie like that, like were like the people everything seemed so real that the science, Yeah, the Sixth Sense was oh yeah, yeah, oh man, remember seeing the Sixth Sense before you knew anything about like the twist that was a.
That was well.
Rosie O'Donnell famously ruined it for everybody for that. In Fight Club, she straight up was like on her show hosting and she goes, I don't know. With Fight Club it's different than Sixth Sense because he goes, he gives the business card, and I just remember Rosy O'Donnell kind of doing that on national television. I was like, what the fuck is Like I even as a kid, I was like, oh, I was in junior high.
When did those come out spoiled?
Oh maybe they didn't come out at the same time. I don't know, but h two.
Oh Halloween h two? Oh yeah, Like I can't remember, Like I definitely saw the Halloween that came out, the one with the oh what you know.
What movie really scared me is the taking of Deborah Logan.
What the fuck is that? That feels like you improvised it?
What are you talking about?
It is so scary. Hold on, my husband's name is Jared Logan. I'm sending you screenshots. It's the most fucked up movie. Okay, hold on, I'm gonna send you a crazy screenshot. Do you think I can send it into the notes? Okay?
Hold on, I'm just gonna do a link. Hold on, because I'm sending Jared a text. Have you ever seen the taking of Jared? Have you ever seen the taking of Deborah Logan? I almost said the taking of Jared Logan.
I don't know how to share a screen, which is embarrassing. I think zoom has been out for years. Okay, I'm gonna chat you the Google Oh my god, why can't I can't even find the chata. Okay, I say, it's just a Google image thing. But then just scroll though, I don't want to see this, Lady, scroll down and then to the right and stuff.
What the fuck, Liza?
No, Okay, I just sent Jared that text and then I saw that, and then what popped up was Jared has notification silenced.
So he read that text.
It was like not now, Yeah, I don't even know how to silence. Everyone's always silencing their shit, but I'm always on my phone. I don't need to silence anything. So I watched this with a few people and then I had to walk home. I was living in Williamsburg and I went to someone's house in Willomsburg and then I had to walk home, and I was so scared. I kept like jumping into Bodega's to like get myself together because I was just like stoned, scared, terrified. That
one's scared, but I get scared. I one time we were on a flight and Matteo was in front of me and I screamed so loud that he slowly picked up his head and like gave me the dirtiest look. And I was watching The Gift with Jason Bateman. No, that movie has jump scares. That movie has jump scares. I saw that movie, and that movie has jump scares. It is scary. I give you that one.
Also, I saw The Conjuring in the theater with Jared and I screamed like a cartoon character at a point that everybody in the theater was like, what's going on. But along the lines of your Williamsburg thing, you know. After I saw Blair Witch, I was living, I was at camp. I was a counselor. So I saw it and then I had to go back to my tent in the woods, like it was terrifying.
I'll never forget it. Because also my brother.
Had told me that it was real, so I was like, yeah, it's found footage, like it's based on this documentary that they found that these kids were making. And I was like, wait what. So I went to it thinking it was real. Jared said, no, I heard it was bad. I'm like, yeah, but it's your great grandma Deborah Logan.
Oh I didn't even put that together. Send him that photo of her like eating the person, and I fok. And then I'll be like, and what do you think about this?
Wait?
Casey, you're a huge horror guy.
Yes, do you like the taking of Deborah Logan?
I've never heard of this movie before. Oh wow, it looks scary. It looks it says it's set in Virginia. Isn't Jared from West Ja?
What theod? What he goes?
What's crazy? Is is it? It's about my great aunt?
Wait? Casey? What are the horror movies that have good acting?
The Exorcist is really good acting.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
The Shining, Oh, the Shining for sure.
The Shining is so good.
I just feel like there was so many like comically bad horror movies in the eighties that just don't have a lot of good acting.
So I don't think you're wrong, Kara.
But now you reminded me Chainsaw Massacre is great acting. Yeah, oh really that one scared me. Oh yeah, she's like running out the Yeah, it's like pretty well.
Man.
Well guys, listen, there's only fifty one more weeks until Halloween forty twenty four, so I'm glad we could cover this.
Should we get our humiliating Are we doing this in November? It really is? It really is, But I you know what, time is just an illusion, That's what I say. Literally, there are things to haunt us all around us. But let's let's another reminder.
Go to That's Messed Up live dot com see us live, and then don't go anywhere because we're about to start a really I hate to say one of my favorite episodes, but I do really like this episode a lot.
We're doing Tortured, season four, episode sixteen. It came out on Valentine's Day. That would have been a romantic night in. That would have been nice cozying up with a spouse and watching a nice little Torture SVU. And this episode I always get I always think this episode Tortured is going to be the episode inherit, which is where the because isn't that one about feet two? Or no? It's just about no.
I don't know why.
I think it's like a mother and a son thing. I think it's like the mother something that is like what always reminds me of it?
But I, oh, I do the exact same thing.
I always think torture inheritance. But whatever, this one is really good. It's a classic. We've wanted to do this for a really long time, and we're so lucky to be here today, and we could all pretend it's Valentine's Day in two thousand and three. The towers just fell recently, and we're not forgotten. God, you know, I always think like, what if al Gore won? I always think that that is my Roman Empire? Okay, what if al Gore won? Okay?
We open up on a John and Trick type moment, and I never understand why sex worker was ever called trick. There are no tricks. It's an exchange of services. What's the trick? Yeah, you know who a trick is? A magician, you know, a little card guy like your pay for sex. I don't understand what the trick, right, It's like they want it for free, go fuck yourselves. But a man is like, all right, we're good to go, right, And then but a phone rings and they both check if
it's their phones. It's you know, early days of cell phones. It's exciting. And she says, I gotta take this and makes a sound. Oh, and then she says to him, make a sound and I'll cut your balls off, and he understands. She says, hi, sweetie, mommy, we'll be home soon. Wake the sitter. And the guy's like, what the hell, because I mean nothing, you know, shuts down a boner
more than a mother talking to her child. And so unless you're some of the criminals we have covered on this very program, he runs off, but then turns around and is like, wait, can I at least get my money back? And she waves him off like okay, fuck off. So I'm pretty happy. Maybe she is a trick, you know what I mean?
She uh, that's the trick she does.
Every time she's about to do it, She's like, hold on, I'm getting a call from my kid.
So he marches off and and goes, I'll find a hotter piece of ass with a lot less baggage, But instead he finds a dead piece of ass. So there is a body in a broad short skirt. She's sitting up right near the dumpsters and like garbage. And then immediately we go to a uniformed cop that's bringing Benson and Stabler to the scene and tells them what's what. They're like, oh, you saw the attack, and she's like, nope, the discovery though this tough guy really screamed a bunch.
This is stupid. So they ask, you know, the sex worker, like, did you see anything? She goes, no, just we found I saw the body because this tough guy started screaming. But she says she didn't see anything. Benson and Stabler approached the body and there's ligature marks around the neck, no other apparent wounds except for the skirt. It's been cut short. And then Stabler notices on the boot there's some blood and he wants to like put it in an evidence bag, and then when he unzips the boot,
her foot is cut off. It is just an ankle dripping blood in the boot. Benson makes an announcement, anybody find a severed foot?
Right off of severed foot.
And where do we open the morgue? Of course, Melinda's there, and she explains to Benson and Stabler that it wasn't one smooth hack job. It was like really chewed up in a sowed up situation. And she said it's a serrated and not thick blade, so kind of an upper end knife. No bruising and clotting. So she was already dead before the foot chop. He used a braided type wire and she sprays something on the body and it glows, showing that the wire residue was copper, and it glows
like James and the Giant Peach. Did you watch that. I've never seen that. I've never seen that. There's like glowy little bugs and that's what makes everything grow. But her unfortunate dead now did glow like mystical little bugs in the James and the Giant Peach. It's a really sweet story. I read it in fourth grade. So no hits on her DNA, no ScDs, and no cervical daplasia, so probably not a pro and all they have on her is that she's Asian in mid twenties. Melinda then
adds more gruesome details. She had a painful past. There were healed burnmarks on the genitals from an electroshock device and in her wrists the bones were disrupted and there's tears and rotator cuffs. So she was hung by her wrists and tortured. So we go to work in the squad room. Craigan asks if the old attacker is the new attacker, and of course maybe, but there's a two year gap in attacks. So Fann goes, well if the first one was even an attack, and they're like, shut
the fuck up, this is not self inflicted. We also have nothing for missing persons yet. And it's a full house, you know, bells are huong, everyone's there, all hands on deck, and now we're debating the cause because Finn is convinced this is SNM and a painful game of shock the kitty. I never want to hear that sentence again.
No, erase it.
No. Cragan's like, I understand getting kinky, but it's not like she was spinked to death, dude. And so yeah, Finn is just very into the BDSM community. Apparently he's like, yeah, but maybe she was down with whips and chains, but not with the cattle prod and Cragan's like, get a room for yourself. No, he's not convinced. So it's like Huang, what do you think? He thinks the marks are a sign of political torture used by the Chinese military occupying Tibet.
So then Munch gets sassy as hell and is like, well, maybe she was a nun their favorite target and according to that, like you know, that's their favorite target according to Physicians for Human Rights. And then Huang's like, uh, yeah, I'm a member of that club. It's really strange, like did you catch this? The way even Munch goes, yeah, what do you think? Agent Huang like did you not catch any of this? Am I my own little like it seemed like there was sass in between them.
Oh maybe I well, you know, Bell Munch likes to like sort of do a lot of conspiracy. And then Huang comes in with the science. So I'm sure that they bought heads a little bit.
You know. Yeah, and Munch his transitional lenses are pop they are popping. So then they're like, oh, maybe someone came looking for her here in the States, like you know, she's been seeking political asylum, like maybe from someone from her past, like is getting to her for supporting Tibet. So let's go check with I ins Finn and Munch go visit a blonde board bitch, and she's like, excuse me, do you even know how many immigrants we get a year?
And out of a million, ten percent claim to be political refugees, and then there's a million and a half who try to sneak in illegally. She is annoyed and she is sassy. She does not belong in this job, and Munch reminds her of the sign above, you know, the huddle masses, the poor ellis island stuff, and we get a hit on the print. Her name is Kuon Song Tashi and Huang is right. She was born in Tibet and she got in on a marriage Viza and her husband is Preston Bennett. So they go to b
and Sea Shipping. Benson and Stabler are there and him and Kim's song. He explains they met at a bizarre and dahar masala sounds like a delicious dish. That's disrespectful, but I'm thinking of tiki masala obviously. But you know, they met at a bizar and he found an old stone, but the merchant didn't speak English, and she walked by and interpreted for them, and that's that, and they fell in love. They look at the wedding photo and Stabler's like, well,
how's your relationship now? He is crying, and the actor is known for In plain Sight, where the lead lady is Mary McCormick, and she I didn't know that this was the premise. Do you know what the premise of In plain Sight is? No, don't read it. Okay. She hunts down witnesses for trial that are in witness protection. Oh oh, that's kind of cool. So she has to find people that are being hidden to like bring them back to like be a witness. I don't know.
I kind of love it, saying.
But he was in sixty one episodes. His name is Frederick Weller. He's working, okay, So he sniffles after some tears and he goes, we never fought, not once. That's nuts. That's like saying he never heard a fly. We don't believe that. Yeah, yeah, everyone fights, that's part of being human. And Stabler is like, dude, it's fucking audio. Didn't report her missing, and he's like, well, I assume she was
just at the center. There's a program at Bellevue for torture survivors, and you know she was tortured for attending a demonstration. Cops came, rounded them up, kept kept her for a month and Benson's like, well, you know, are there issues at the center. He says, no, that you know. We love the center. The center changed her life. She was there a bunch. She does group therapy and interpreting, and when a new survivor enters the program, she would
sit with them. Stabler gets really close to him and goes, I'm not buying it really all night without and he's backed up against the wall and he's like yeah, Benson and Sailor walk out and Standler's like again, not buying it, not buying it. And he goes like, if Kathy didn't come home, he would be out looking for her. And It's like, babe, you're the one gone all night, okay, and it's your job to go look for people? Like what?
And then I'm like, well, who's taking care of the kids if Kathy's gone and you're out looking for people all night? And then Benson, we're on the same feminist team. She throws it in his face and goes, I'm sorry, how often are you on a case and you don't call Kathy? And he goes, it's different I'm on the job, and Benson's like, well, it seems like she was too.
So we go to the center and there are candles lit and a woman explains that she was here listening to victims' stories all the time, even if it brought up old wounds for her. And this actress is Jodi Long and she was in Margaret Show's sitcom All American Girl, and most famously for me, she was a power lesbian and the Sex and the City episode with Melinda Warner.
Yes, they're in the same posse of power lesbians that Charlotte befriends, and.
The episode's called the Cheating Curve. And one of her big lines is if you don't eat pussy, you're not one of us. So that's like, oh no, she got it's actually a wilder line. She goes, if you don't eat pussy, you're not a dyke. I think yeah is the direct quote, So sorry if that's a word you don't like. Honestly, an amazing career spanning decades. She works.
So she goes into detail about her torture and basically, like Kimsong was stripped, naked, held in a small cage without food, beaten around the clock, electroshock, batons, and rape. And they hear some voices and it's a member of the Tibetan support group that kons songs. It's her group, and they're holding a memorial for her. And they chat a little bit and Stabler asks about the husband and she's very matter of fact, goes there is no marital discord and walks away. And this is just not really
rubbing them the right way. Also, while I was in Chicago recently, there was it was really small. It was just like five or six people and a few kids with signs. There's a little you know, protest. They were singing songs and basically people that have escaped North Korea go to China and China's like sending them back. Oh God, and they obviously get killed, their families get kill you know, it's like horrible what happens to them. But and so it was like, you know, they're singing for China to
let people stay, and why won't China let people? I don't understand, But we're we live in America and we're not helping people, but like to skape North Korea that's so hard. Yeah, why wouldn't you help these people? I don't think you're supposed to have all the answers. I don't know why I keep looking to you. It's just something I didn't know that was going on. So if anyone's like educated and what's happening, please let me know.
I'm really curious. So Benson is like, listen, it's just really hard to believe someone with this much trauma just has an easy, breezy time in a relationship. No discord, no fights, no nothing, like obviously things come up and she is like, listen, he cared about her deeply and was over very overly protective. And they're like, who does
she need protection from? And the center director is like you duh, Like you know, the whole purpose of tortures to break a person's will and destroy their humanity, and there's a certain degree of paranoia that comes with it, and that's not uncommon. So sablers like, hold up, I mean, maybe it wasn't just paranoia, like look what happened, and our power lesbian goes yeah, I mean, their tormentors can
totally come here, just as the survivors have. But she did get into, like recently, got into activism really heavy, and she met another torture victim and they got along and her name is Detchen Giazzo, and that's who took her to her first protests, and so we had to find her. And Munch and Finn are at the protest and it's Tibet for Tibetans, and they head straight to the woman with a bull who right away classic classic is we have a right to be here. We have
our permits. We have a pull horned permit and much like babe, we're on your side. You don't even know. We're here to talk about coon Song. And we find out that kuon Song did something, did some protesting in front of a brokerage firm that is funding a pipeline through Tibet. But they're hurting them and they forced us to only like so basically because of the protesting. It forced the US to only give them like five billion instead of seven billion, which to me doesn't seem like
that big of a win. But then Finn says, I've seen men kill for a pizza, so two billion dollars could be worth killing for. And they ask if there was any roughing up and she's like, no, this is times square, Like this is really tame. We're used to more. There were no cops, no issues. She was the only one taken away by her husband. Done done what? So we find out that he was yelling, she was crying, he pulled her out of line and she did not finish the protests and we're like, excuse me, you said
you guys never fought. So we're immediately in the cement room bars and Stabler's like well and he's like it wasn't a fight, and they're like, we heard that you dragged your wife away in tears, start talking. Benson and Stabler are yelling while the husband is yelling how like, you don't get it. I was just trying to protect her.
And he explains that they were close to the end of their probation period with the I ins and if she had been arrested or anything happened, it would have fucked up their lives and he just doesn't want her to get deported. That's it. Finn comes in and goes, uh, oh, there's a record. He hasn't been arrested before, but nine to one one was called to his residence. What was it? He blames the neighbor for misinterpreting something, but it was screams and yells in the night and Stabler's like, how
is that open to interpretation? And it's like it's torture, nightmares. You just learned she was tortured, has few detectives, like you know she has night terrors, Like yeah, I just hate when they play dumb and like ignore all the evidence. But he's pleading with them like it's nightmares and I'm a Buddhist. I would never take a life a white Buddhist.
That's tough. So then they talked to the neighbor in finn Is, like, well, you threatened him and he's like, yeah, you know how much trauma calling the cops caused us, Like you know, it fucked her up. They just like I'm with I'm on this guy's side, like very rarely, but I'm on this guy's side. Like he's been out like forthright about the torture of it all.
Like come on, he's not giving murdered my wife and cut off her foot and left her in an alley.
He's not giving that. No, And the detectives, no, she's been through a lot and that nightmares are common and that calling the cops would be fucked up for her, Like I just it's annoying me. I hate when they act dumb and forget all of their training and knowledge and care. So but he's smart and he knows he's free to leave, so he storms off in an angry rage, and Sailor goes, he's lying, so now it's bustling off
his time. Stabler doesn't like that everything is explained away by her past, like, you know, but I also believe that, And Craigan's like, maybe he is lying, but the paper trails don't. So is there an insurance policy on his wife? No, as the alibi he was home alone, was no calls. Munch pulled financials, and he did have a charge at six pm that night at a Tibetan restaurant, Hello Dolly.
Like la I do love that pun name, Hello Dolly.
Love it, love it. And it's in the village, and they rush over there and fit in, Munch take the lunch duty, and the restaurant dude knows them. But they haven't been there in a couple as a couple for weeks and weeks. But according to the credit card receipt, he was there last Tuesday. He goes, yeah, yeah, not him.
She was there for sure, and they were the only ones in the restaurant and she was with a man, brown hair, thirty ish, perfect tan in February and left a hefty tip and they're like, no, no, no, hold up, it was the husband's card, which means she paid, and he goes, no, he signed, and he's going to check for the receipt. So they're like, oh my god, she was cheating on him using his card. This is fucking hut. And they're like signing the husbands with the card that's cold.
So the manager comes out and he's like, so, what is the trouble. They're like, well, at least it's identity theft, like someone else signed for mister Bennett's card, and the dude's like, no, it's an authorized signer on the card, mister Chambers. It's mister Bennett's partner, their work business partners. And Finn's like the triangle thickens and they go to talk to Chambers and it's a classic SVU actor who's been in a few episodes. His name was Paul Fitzgerald.
He was in season nineteen Country Apasto, which we covered, and he's the teacher who gets his balls cut off, and then there's a show, Oh, yeah, yeah, yah. Kathleen Monroe was our guest for that. And then season fourteen he was in Criminal Hatred and it's the gay Hatred one with Nia Vardalos where the guy like hates himself
for being gay and yeah, like whatever. So and for my veep heads, he's in a few episodes of viepas Owen Pierce, you know, one of the idiots and government so and he's in everything the Americans, Mentalist, Niptuck, he works Benson and Stablers say they want to talk about Coonsong Ben and he's like, not a good time, bye, guys, and they're like, well, we would have talked to you the day her body was discovered, but at the time we didn't know that you were having a torrid little affair.
And he's like, lol, I'm not banging his wife. And then he tries to close the door. They threaten him with prison and let him know that he was the last person to see her alive. And a man is in the house and guess who else it is. It is her husband. It is the original husband, our Buddhist friend. They are together. They are gay. The marriage was a sham.
Wow.
Yeah, they never say that they're gay, but they're gay, right, Yeah.
Yeah, she's bearding for him.
Yeah, so he cares for her and it was the way, it was the only way to bring her here. Like, and they're like, well, why would you obstruct a murder investigation? He's like, I fucking panicked, Like I'm so sorry. I was scared. You know, we violated federal immigration laws. The ions could put me in prison and take away my business. So they're like, you better fill us in on everything, because if you've been quiet and we can't find something,
this is bullshit. And so they're like, what happened at dinner? Like, tell us everything. So Stabler's in this dude's face and he says it was a Barry the Hatchet dinner. So they're like, oh, wow, there were problems and he goes, yes, listen, she's very sweet, we love her, but this was going on three years and obviously put a strain on our relationship. Yeah,
they did talk about being gay. I'm an idiot. I was like, I don't want to jump to conclusion, and like, you know, she sensed the tension and that's why she moved out. But they put the apartment in this you know, very tan Man's name, so I n s would and find out. So they go to the apartment, big team. No sign of blood, no sign of struggle. They're looking through her place. She has no messages, and Benson's like,
I guess she wasn't very popular. Okay, she's dead. Then there are classifieds and stars next to some used furniture, and Sambler's like, well she needed it. Like they're dissing her apartment. They're dissing her. She has no friends. It's like, this bitch escape torture and like, I'm here as the high to fake marriage until she can become a citizen. Like back off, Sorry, she's not popular with an interior design degree. Guys, they are roasting her. I have some
respect for the dead detectives. But she was gonna go see one of the couches the day she fucking died. So they go to Polly's apartment and it's a Sopranos guy, Steve Sherpa, Bobby Bacala Becala. I don't care. I don't Sopranos doesn't do it for me. It's good, the acting is good. I love James Gandelfini, but I'm an enough, said fan, and I love the movie. The Mexican. Yeah, that's just me. So now, wait, have you seen the thing where someone's like, I tried to dress like Sophia Richie,
but instead I look like a mob boss. It's like, oh, I haven't. It's really funny. You know, TikTok, TikTok. Our brains are rotting. But this guy, I didn't know he was such a big actor. He's like he was in one hundred and thirty episodes of Blue Bloods and one hundred and ten episodes of the Secret Life of the American Teenager. Wow, so I didn't know there were so many episodes of that second show. Oh my god.
Yeah, that's a secret.
The secret is that The Secret Life of the American Teenager has been on for a long time.
Yeah, we should do it over under on how many teen pregnancies there were. It's something grassy. It's like, Okay, we got a cutter, we got an eating disorder, we got a cheating we got someone being a goth, we got a divorce, we got someone poor. You know, it's like,
what are we doing? So he says that he's been waiting, He waited for her, but she never showed up, and Sailor notices the couch is not the one from the ad, and he's like, yeah, I sold it to a sorority girl type, like a Buffy or a Cindy, something like that, Buffy is your go to. Nay, Cindy, you're obviously old man, ha ha. And by the way, he's in a white tank top, referred to by others as a wife beater and by me when I'm not on an SVU podcast.
And then he's also wearing a short sleeved black and gold silk dress like a Versace esque vibe, and they're like, you know, dude, you don't really strike us as a floral, shabby sheet kind of guy, which is how the couch was described in the ad. I just didn't think it was important to add in the in the notes, but I guess it was. And he's like, Nope, I'm not. It belonged to my ex. That's why I was getting
rid of it. He's got an answer for everything, and Benson's like, oh, why would she leave a catch like you? And it's like he truly hasn't done anything, like he's just in his home drinking like we he hasn't done anything wrong yet, but he says the reason his the girl left him is because she's a whore and she found a fatter wallet. So my bad Benson was right. She's always right, and he does suck and he's like that worthless bitch couldn't boil water. Yeah, okay, we hate
him at first. I'm like, leave this guy alone. He just was trying to sell a couch and I'm like, cut off his dick. Benton's going off like this is a perfect scam, Like how else would you get women to just enter your home and classifies her super cheap and so it's like a perfect way to get women there, And like we don't even know if the couch ever even existed, and so they're working on getting some history. The poly guy has two drunken disorderlies and then ring ring,
it's the lab, and we head to the lab. They have something on the boots. It's Daniel Sunjada Sexy green Eyes. Hello James Holt from Devilwar's Prada if you're new to the pod. And then the shoes are a size nine, which is weird because the victims shoe size was a six and a half. So what's going on? Then, of course Benson, bougie Benson notices. They're Jacques Lecoeur and those are seven hundred dollars boots.
She knows exactly the price. She knows her luxury items, this bitch, and.
They have no evidence of her actually walking in them. And Benson's like, but they're scuff marks, and he goes, yeah, but that's not hers. She's actually pigeon toed, so these scuff marks wouldn't be hers. I mean, the way she is roasted after death is wild for everything she's been through. So Fit and Munch go to the store and the Tenon is being like an okay level of helpful. The shoe they're showing, though, is a prototype that's never been sold.
It's supposed to hit shelves next month. So who had access to it. Laurie Schneider is who reps the account, so they rush over to her. Flash, flash flash.
They're like in the.
Middle of a fashion show. Fashion shows last maybe fifteen minutes. I've been to one fashion week show. It was not a high class in any way. Quick, yeah, even if it's even if it's fifty outfits. The bitches are walking back like, yeah, you have to fuck her up in the middle of a dress rehears like, I just know about fashion shows from top model and like no, and I used surprised.
Used to get my nails done at a place where they were constantly showing fashion shows. They are like fifteen or twenty minutes, like and sometimes they're only like, you know, fifteen looks.
Oh my god. If I could watch a fashion show as I was getting a manny petty, I would be in heaven.
Oh yeah, it's West Hollywood. It was a great place.
That's as a close.
No, I think it's unless the pandemic got it. I just don't go there anymore because I live over here.
Of course, of course we wish you luck. Okay, So they're interrupting this fashion show that's so hectic, so crazy models everywhere. But they have to talk to her right now, and she goes, I have two minutes. So they bring up the shoe. She goes. The only model who's a size nine is Crystal. She wore them last month. They're not supposed to take the shoes, obviously, but also she's in Milan right now, So the woman's not being helpful, and the detectives finally have to be like, listen, lady,
this is a murder investigation. Like, can you please give us the real scoop? She goes, fine, Okay, she didn't take them. I took them. I thought I was going on a hot date, but it wasn't hot at all. He took me bowling. He didn't touch her, and then her boots disappeared from the bowling alley and it was twenty degrees outside, and she wrote a car in her stockings, and munch goes, well, at least you have your feet. The other girl wasn't so lucky. She's in the middle
of a work day. You don't have to It's like they're all so, you know. She thought it was like the theft of the boot, Like, okay, should.
You ever like get your jacket stolen in New York though in the freezing winter?
No, obviously you have. You seem very passionate.
That's happened to me, and you have to like go home like in a tube top, like freezing fucking cold on a Saturday night.
That's happened to me before. And I hate it.
Oh.
One of my friends posted a photo and it's like it's Chicago girls are built different, and it's just like a group of Chicago girls walking in the snow and heels in like tiny club dresses. And this was me back, This was totally me. We were built different and or it's wunny. I mean I.
I mean I would just wear like skimpy outfits with like a winter coat over it and then shove my coat into the corner of like a bar somewhere, and then it got stolen one time and I truly had to walk home half nude and.
I was so freezing.
So fuck those people, thief. Yeah, we're gosh, the youth, what is it? The youth is wasted on the young. So we're at a bowling alley. You know, this girl had a terrible date at a bowling alley. How do you feel about bowling alley for first dates?
Not first date?
But Jared and I did just go to a beautiful dinner and then bowling for our eight year wedding anniversary, and we had a blast.
I love bowling.
Bowling's fine, But on first date, No, that's like too, that's too down in the like, it's not that's not good.
You want to like get to know each other.
I think a little bit more before you like just start throwing heavy balls down a lane.
Yeah, So we're at the bowling alley. We're talking to the counter guy and he he's like, oh, yeah, she was hitting on me. She didn't even want to be here with the date. She hated him. She you know, she liked me. He were concessions though not the shoe counter that night, and he brought tons of beer to them. That's why he like really remembers her. And you know she's obviously, you know, works in fashion. I'm sure she
looked extra cool. They asked how up, and the shoes get stolen and during the chat though, the bowling work never ends. So he asks a man named Jerry. He's like, hey, go tend to some pins that Laye needs your help. So, you know, they're talking about missing shoes. He goes, not that often. You know, sometimes pranks and stuff, people are wasted, so they forget them, like some people know show, I
don't know what to tell you. So they end up going to Jerry and being like, how's working for counterboy Marshall, the kingpin of the bowling alley, And Jerry goes, I fucking hate this guy, and Stabler's like, is he annoying to everyone as he is to us? And he's like, oh, he's disgusting. He hits on every girl that walks in there. It's pathetic. And he goes and they all reject him, and Stabler pushes like anything else, like any theft does he steal? He's like, I wouldn't put it past him.
So now we're back in the office. But this bowling guy, they checked his record, it's clear. Benson goes, yeah, but he was young, so maybe he's never been caught before. And then someone's like, well, or maybe never reported. It's just a pair of shoes who would report like shoes. And Munch does a pushpin map now of all the crimes that have to do with shoes, and Benson goes, well, why shoes, and Huang pops out of nowhere fetish arousal by shoes, feet or smelly socks, and Munch doesn't get it.
But Huang is like, I mean, basically, there's a cross wiring the control map of the brain and the genitals are really and like genitals and feet are right next to each other, so if there's any sort of mixing and matching the genital feet stuff, they cross.
But I look this up and apparently it's pop science. Apparently it's not really there's like people, some people were arguing online there's really like no articles that are reputable that say that this is real, and there's different doctors online, like one biologist on Instagram is like, this is why so many people.
Have foot fetishes.
It's because of exactly what the episode says, and then other doctors are like, that's not true at all, Like the brain doesn't rewire like that, Like the brain doesn't cross wire like that.
So it's it's I think it's hard to prove, but it's cool.
It's something I've always thought, like, you know, famously, like Quentin Tarantino has a foot fetish, and I'm like, oh, I wonder if it's like a cross wiring because of the sex thing, like I learned on SVU, But I don't know if it's real.
Whitney Cummings says, it's on our podcast all the time. It's because tos look like little dicks or something, and like, I don't know, I'm sure that's a joke. Cragan's like, enough fetish talk, let's talk the crime. So they're back to the map work and Huang SE's one that's green and he goes, well, this is a violet He's like, what is this me? And Munch goes violent attack and Huang goes, okay, that's weird. Fetishes usually are not like
violent related. So this crime was two weeks ago. It was an NYU grad named Greta and she was choked and then when she woke up, her shoes were gone. So now we're going to show the photo of Polly to her and maybe it's him. So Benson is walking with a purple, fluffy earmuff woman and she is like, I'm running late for class and well, I don't know what else do you want from me? And Benson's like,
well I noticed, you know, nice running shoes. She goes, well, I used to wear heels all the time, but now I'm too scared of wear them, so running shoes all day. And she feels like she's not even the same person anymore. And the whole thing is like she's short, and I just I didn't realize being a short woman has any
effect on people, you know what I mean? Because we remember took a photo with a woman who like kept moving the camera wildly, so she looked taller, yeah, in a selfish way, And it's like, well, we all look horrible because of this, like short, I don't get it, like people like short girls. I don't under like to wear three inch or four inch heels every day to look a little taller. It just couldn't be me, I know.
I guess the grass is always greener. It's like people just like short, like girls with small boobs want to have big boobs.
Girls with big boobs wish they were smaller.
You know.
It's like it is weird though, like shortness.
Is short and I never have been, Like god, I wish I was taller, you know, I just I don't know I get it for guys, but maybe if you really loved sports. Yeah, so that's why she, you know, wore heels. She was short like a maloof and now she wears sneakers all the time. And so all she remembers is it was dark. All of a sudden, hands around her throat, she came up, you know, she didn't see his face was all from behind, but because he came from behind, she then hit her head onto his chin.
So now they know her height. She was five three in the heels, so that means he was five eight or five ten. She was in classes and she goes to a bakery and that's all she really does. And the bakeryes on Houston and Sullivan, and she was walking back from the bakery when it happened. And Pollie lives right on Houston by the bakery. So they go to the bakery. It's Ma's Bakery, and the bakery woman remembers Greta. She hasn't been in for a while though, but she
always hated the dorm food. You're a grad student, get an apartment, okay. So the bakery looks cute and really really fun and the woman is Margaret Colin, who is an anti abortion person, so who cares about her credits? So then the detectives are like, do you know this much about all of your customers? About the dorm food and all of that, and she goes, yeah, you know, everyone that comes in usually lives in a ten block radius and I mostly know them by all the orders.
They show a photo Coon Song and she doesn't remember her. So how many employees work there? She goes Michael Rodney and then there's a little boy, Brandon, and they show the Polly photo and the little boy goes, yeah, pumper nickel and olive oil. And what's funny is that's a disgusting order. Does that mean? But also, this little boy looks like you'd be an Oliver twist time, like he is not a boy of arter time. Yeah, he looks
He truly looks like he hopped in a time machine. Yes, he's an oliverat he is an Irish little ghost because he does not look like a modern child.
Please, sir, I'd like some more pump and nickel.
Yeah, so he's a regular. And then they put Polly in a cement barroom and Benson's gonna play some games. She walks in wearing pumps, high healed, Benson looking sexy. He's like, I didn't do anything. Annie didn't get hard over the heels. So they're like, fuck, you know, we're not Annie go And he's like, how can I proof to you I did not know it? And they say, search your apartment. He agrees, and they find nothing. Daniel Sun Johna looked at everything, not even a hair in
the drain. They dusted everything. Then another dork comes in and he found something. So in Coonsong's room there was a notepad with a grocery list on it and so, but they have technology that they can recover identifying writing three four pages beneath the og like with the impressions, and they did find something. They found something that said couch six four two East Houston Street, apartment two A after six. That's not Polly's address though his address is
four six two. So they go to six four two right next to the bakery. Mama Bakery comes out and is like, oh my god, you're just in time for fresh banana bread, which I love Claudia's and Brooklyn best banana bread ever. Shout out to my favorite place on Bushwick av. So then they ask if she I can't believe I'm doing banana bread collouts. So then they ask if she knows who lives right next door, and she goes, yeah, it's me, and they're like, okay, well, I mean she
was looking for furniture, maybe not a customer. Can you look at this photo of this woman again? And she goes, well, I wasn't selling any furniture, so there's no way I would have seen her. And they're like, who else lives there? Just you and that little brand and he goes, well, and you know his half brother, my other son, Jerry. So she calls up and she's like Jerry, he opens
the window. Guess who it is. It's the motherfucker from the bowling Alley, not the counter guy, but the guy who hates the counter guy work in the lanes, and they keep him in interrogation and they walk in with just boxes and boxes of stuff from the apartment. They found his secret stash and it's all shoes, and he flips out, don't touch my things, and they go, your things. We've tied half of these to burglaries in the neighborhood.
And they talk to his mom too, and he's like, oh, yeah, you know, she revealed that he's loved heels and shoes since he was five years old. And then he goes, I'm not gay, and it's like, oh yeah, this seems worse. Piles of stolen woman's shoes and a dead body with a severed foot. Honey, we wish you were getting Yeah. So he just he's like, I just like the way the shoes look. I collect them. It's harmless, and they
push him. They're like, fuck you harmless. So what he says was he usually just follows the women home, sees where they live, and then gets them later. And the NYU grad student was the first time he ever hurt anyone, And then Benson goes, well, it wasn't your last. And then they show the photo of coon Song and then they say that they found blood all over the mom's
delivery van. And then they say, and we know you use the van to dump her body, and we know she came to your apartment by accident looking to buy a couch. He sighs, he knows he's been got. Stabler pulls the red boot out of his box and goes, does this help? And it's in a bag. He touches it and he goes, she was like something out of my dreams. So I invited her in. She just had the most perfect tiny feet. All I did was compliment her things were going really well. She asked where the
couch was, and then she ran for the door. I stopped her. I asked her to try on a pair of shoes for me. She told me I was sick. His lips are quivering. He snaps. So Stabler is like, for sure, dude, so you didn't mean to kill her. He's like exactly, he was just rewiring his TV when she came in. And they're like, oh, the wire from the crime we got you now. And then Benson asks, why did you cut off her foot? And he goes, well, just for my collection. The shoes look better with like
a real foot in it. And they're both grossed out, both of them big really funny faces. So now it's Cabot time. She's in a walk and talk with someone else and behind her is Ileana Douglas and she runs in being like, Girley, can we chat? And I love her. She was in ghost World if you're wondering, she was the art teacher. That's how I know her. So she's defending footboy and Cabot looks down and goes, nice shoes and they're like flat, like tap dance shoes, like lay stuff.
She goes, I hate them too, but they're the only ones that, like client won't go insane over focus if I wear these. If I wear shoes, Jerry can't focus. And basically she's like, we're doing a psychoval and Cabot's like, wow, how original. And she also has like physical evaluations, neurological exams IQ. Cabot's not interested. She does not give a fuck trial time. So we have a doctor on the stand and we talk frontal lobe stuff and how that's the impulse control center, and Ele Douglas is like, so
if you know it holds urges, that's what happens. So if you're frontal lobe, even if you have a wild urge, it keeps it tight. The guy did tests on Dupree, that's Jerry Dupree, and his frontal lobe is fucked, which means he can't hold onto stuff. He had a subdural hematoma and that means there was so much frontal low
pressure and so it can produce radical personality changes. He has decreased frontal brain activity stemming from an injury, which means how a gentle, meek person becomes a violent person and it disinhibits people and they can't control their urges. But now it's Cabot's turn and she is a to murder this motherfucker. I like love this six change. So she's like, so everyone who suffers a blow to the frontal lobe will kill and he's like, of course not.
And so then she says, okay, thank you, and so according to your theory, and he gets offended and tries to drop his credits because she's like, so your little theory, and he's like, I'm a psychologist, and he goes, I work with the most vicious criminals ever, and what I figured out is overwhelmed. Overwhelmingly, those who have abusive childhoods, psychotic symptoms, and brain injuries commit the most amount of crimes.
But his study had only one hundred and eighty seven people in it, which is not enough for a study. And the total number of brain injuries per year is five hundred thousand, So your tiny study does not matter because five hundred thousand people are following the law. And he's like, actually, my study included really famous serial killers Bundy Dahmer, Shawcross, who I don't know, Mark David Chapman,
Joel Rifkin, who I only know from Seinfeldt. And she cuts in and says, and now, Jerry Dupree, thank you doctor. I mean, she crushed it like that is hot. I'm obsessed with her. And so now we have bakery Mama on the stand and she's talking about what a sweet boy he was. He never fought or cursed or anything. But in January, the bakery was robbed by a crazed man with a hammer. He threatened to kill the mom. Jerry wasn't there at the time, but Jerry heard from upstairs,
ran down. He tried to rescue the mom, tried to pull the weapon from the man's grip, but instead he got hit right in the head with a hammer, and he changed Jerry completely. He had headaches all the time, fits of anger, and he started to swear, and so he was just not the same person. But it's not his fault. He was just protecting his mother. So we're
in Craigan's office. Cabint is pitched. She's like, great, now she has the whole Jerry's believing he's some sort of hero, but the robbery case is still open with no leads, and the mom, you know, there was a report, and Wan's like, listen, the brain's injuries are legit. He's looking up the papers, and Kaba's like sure, but Consong also dealt with abuse and never hurt a soul, and Craigan's like, fuck to have survived hell and to run into Jerry,
and Wong notices something. He goes, well, it might this guy's kind of a klutz. Numerous evidence of structural damage in the brain, which means tons of attacks over a long period of time, and of other places at like other places in the brain and he's been hitting the head a ton, and Cabot's like, well, this is funny. Why didn't the mother mention all these other head wounds, you know, and those those wouldn't make him look like a hero. So we need to find evidence now that
she perjured herself. So we're off to talk to an fdny hottie and it's Fedora Munch and Finn and so, you know, tell us about everything. And the mom wouldn't leave his side and basically like physically like would pull him aside and stuff like, he was very attached to the mom. And then we go talk to the little bro. So basically the mom said that this will happened in the bakery, and the kid is like wait wait, wait no, not in the bakery. This was home. This was in
our home. So then they're like wait so and then to the boy is like, well why would my mom lie? But also this is the whole exchange's while the two detectives can just accost the young child out right outside of school, it's like two bullies just ready to attack, and so I just think it's wild to corner a child after school. And then they threaten the little child and go well, your mom lied on the sand and said it was in the bakery that this happened, not at the home. So we're going to take her to
jail and your brother, so you better start talking. Benson Bend's down on his level and is like, we know you want, like she wants to protect her son, but she can ruin her life, so don't let that happen. Like, we need to make sure she's not lying for her son, and the little boy yells, you don't even know her. She's the one who hurt him. Bomb show, bomb show. She caught him with another pair of ladies shoes and
beat him. So the first time she caught him was five years old, which means she's been beating the shit out of him since she was five years old. She blame, and then the little boy goes. She blames Jerry for dad leaving us since he was such an embarrassment, and she hits him too, but not as bad because he's faster than Jerry. Benson and Stabler are now sitting with Jerry and Ileana Douglas in prison, and they're convincing him
to go against the mom, but he won't. He denies ever being hit by her and he's screaming wildly she didn't do anything bad, and he's getting up doing some great acting. He's like, I killed that girl. I belong in prison, and Ileana Douglas goes, no, you don't belong in prison. You belong in a hospital. And he says they can't fix me, and if I get out, I'll do it again. And Benson's like, well, what about your mom, because she might do it again. She's going to hit Brandon.
We have to save Brandon without with you in the hospital. She's he's gonna get hit. You have to save your brother.
And they're pleading with him, like, turn on your mom, you have to save like your brother, and he starts talking basically, there was the girl in the bakery and I started, you know, he started talking so her about the shoes, right in front of the mom, and the mom went crazy and came after him with a frying pant and I told her, don't hit my head, maw, and that made her even like madder, and she bopped him on the side of the head and knocked him down and kept hitting and she be and he begged
her to stop, and it's like, remember what the doctor said, but she grabbed the handle with both hands and brought it down as hard as she could, and he's crying and it's really hard for him to speak and it's the last thing he ever remembers, and the music turns super dark, and now she's in a pink dress, like dressed shirt and she's working the bakery, smiling like it's you know, fucking mourning at Beauty and the Beast. Then they arrest her in front of all the customers. She
is shocked and she's like, this is insane. I had nothing to do with Coon's song. And they're like, it's depraved indifference. You're going to jail. You turned him into a killer, and she says, I didn't make him the way he is. He's always been like this. I did everything I could to fix it. Benson's like, you mean, beat the shit out of him, and she screams, nothing else worked. You don't know what he put me through.
And she's yelling as Stabler has her handcuffed, leading her out as everyone is watching, and she's twisting and screaming and she's like, don't look at me like that. I'm not the one who's sick, you know me. Tell them I'm a good mother tell them. Nobody tells them. I wonder if everyone's gonna get a pastry on the house that little disturbance and that is Dick wolf a baby.
Oh my gosh, wow, wow, wow wow.
That is such a good episode and the crime is super disturbing, So stay tuned. So crazy crazy that I just realized this episode is based off of a criminal also Jerry, So they literally didn't even change the name of the.
Killer in this episode.
This episode is based off of the lust Killer or the shoe fetish Slayer, whose name was Jerome Henry Brutos aka Jerry Brutos.
He is depicted in mind Hunter.
He is up there with Ted Bundy and all of these guys that are known as the biggest serial killers. He killed four women between sixty eight and sixty nine. But I think just the nature of his horrific crimes is what puts him like up with these guys that killed like so many more. And and rule the woman who was friends with Ted Bundy, yeah, and wrote the Stranger Beside Me. She wrote a book about him called the lust Killer and gave him the nickname the lust Killer.
So Jerry Brudos as a young boy moved around a lot with his family between like Oregon and California, and then settled down in Salem, Oregon, which is a town I've been to to do comedy, and it is this gorgeous coastal town in Oregon, but it's like it is a little spooky. It's like on the water and like that like specific northwest fog. Like it's really gorgeous, but it's a little spooky. He found a pair of women's high heels in a junkyard at around age five, and
that kicked off his obsession with women's shoes. And another thing about him was that I don't I don't. There's no evidence that his mom was ever beating him the way that this in this episode. But his mom had wanted a son, I mean, had wanted a daughter, and when she had him, like, she already had an older son named Larry, and she wanted her next kid to be a girl, and like prayed and prayed that her
second pregnancy would be a girl. But it was Jerry, and she was pissed and she let him fucking know it. She would dress him in girl's clothing, she would shower praise on the older brother, and then one time when she found his heels, she set them on fire. So by first grade, he's fully obsessed.
With women's shoes.
He's trying to steal his teacher shoes, and his obsession is like in full swing. He also liked to collect women's underwear. He would break into homes to steal underwear, and then as he moved into his teens, obviously this obsession became more violent and dark. Psychiatrists think that he created these fantasies.
Blaming women for men's crimes, but like I know, ah, and honestly, I just really quickly googled it.
Like there are some articles that say that he had a head injury, but nothing in my research says where he would have gotten that head injury or where like because he's on the list with guys like the expert in this episode, there are experts that try to say that like Dahmer had a head injury, Ben Bundy had a head injury, that all these guys had head injuries, But I don't know. In Brutos's like history, I don't
see where that head injury happened. There are other injuries that he tries to blame later, but I'll get into it. So I don't know, it does suck. Like maybe I don't know why was he so attructed to women's shoes right from the jump at age five, Like maybe he was like, you know, had some gender dysphoria, who knows, But psychiatrists said that they thought he was creating those fantasies for revenge on his mother for treating him like shit.
Oh see, because like, yeah, I think a lot of these issues because it's like if Jerry or someone like choose and he wasn't shamed for it and he was like, oh yeah, wear are my heels, he could have been fine.
Yeah, maybe he would just end up doing drag you know, like drag quitz forcing it.
Yeah. It's just oh okay, yeah yeah yeah. That's why so much of this stuff happening right now and like contemporary times with like gender whatever, like everyone being mad at trans people out of nowhere, like marks of for fucking fascism. Yeah, but it's like, yeah, just let your kids be who they are. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like
we wouldn't even have to do all that stuff. It's like it's like there was like a post where it's like of the binary our number one Fan Arsley posted this, But if the binary was so natural, why would you have to work so hard to keep it? Yeah? Yeah, if boys just had to be rough, you know what I mean, Like, if your son wants to fucking do ballet, let him fucking do it.
Yeah.
Oscar was wearing Barett's and his hair the whole day the other day. I don't care.
He wants to look like his sister, who, by the way, my daughter won't wear dresses. I'm like, okay, I did force her once for a wedding, but never again. And it's only and it's been a year.
Can you imagine forcing Rosie to wear something shit didn't want to wear, like sicking it.
It would sick in it. It would honestly be horrible.
Yeah.
Like, yes, even yesterday I was going to give her a bath and she really didn't want to take one because she was sick.
I was like, all right, I'm not going to force you. You're sick, you know, I'll let you have this one.
Like yeah, I just obviously we have to force them to do some things, you know, but like what they wear, that kind of stuff, it's insane. So at seventeen, this morph's into stalking. Obviously, he would hold women at knife point and sometimes he would knock them out so he could steal their shoes. So it's like what Jerry said that he would like sometimes stalk these women and then like figure out ways to get into their apartment and get their shoes.
I mean, for Sbu to use the exact name of the real killer for the fake killer's.
Wife, I know, I know, it's like there wasn't even a brain. They're like, let's just go with Jerry.
So one time he forced a woman to strip down and took photos of her before stealing her shoes, and that one he got arrested for, and they sent him to the Oregon State Hospital where he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. And even though he told them all about how he had these fetishes and these fantasies of chopping up women and keeping them in a freezer and all this shit, he only spent nine months in the hospital before they were like, he's sane and they let him go. They're like,
we fixed Timmy's good. I mean, it is this it is like the sixties here, like or probably the late fifties, and so I understand that this shit was like not as advanced as it is today, But Jesus, like, how many people would be alive if he had just like you know, been medicated or stayed in the hospital longer. Anyway, he eventually graduated high school. He tried to join the army, but he was discharged for having quote unquote bizarre obsessions. And then at twenty two he settles down and he
marries seventeen year old Darcy Metzler. This is actually the ages that my in laws got married and they are still in love, so thank god it were, but like, wow, wild to be married at seventeen and twenty two, and this was in nineteen sixty one. He would ask his wife to do housework naked except for a pair of high heels while he took pictures. And for some this might be considered like sexy, like a sexy kink for a husband and wife, but according to an article in
that Oregon Life quote, things were decidedly non consensual. He never simply asked, he demanded, So that's the end of
the quote. But like Darcy was like at first, she was like, I guess this is what I'm supposed to do as a wife, and then she was like very over it, and so by the time, she gave birth to their second child, a son, like at first he had a daughter and then he had a son, and he was so excited for his son to be born, and she wouldn't let him into the room during the birth because she's like, you treat me like an object, Like I don't want you to be in the room.
And that sent him on a spiral, apparently, and at this time he started to get migraines and experience blackouts, and according to him, the only cure was to go out and steal more shoes and underwear. At this point, he starts dressing in drag in order to disassociate and to escape from reality. So now his first murder is in January of nineteen sixty eight, and unfortunately it's a little bit like the coon Song thing. Linda Slawson is nineteen.
She is selling Encyclopedia's door to door and she comes to Brutos's door. So it's another case of like knocking on the wrong psycho's door. His wife and his kids were at home, and he lured this girl into the basement somehow without them seeing lured her to the basement where he knocked her out with a wooden two by four and strangled her to death. Then he would dress her up in underwear from his collection and pose her body.
Then he used a hacksaw to cut off her left foot, which he kept in a freezer in a high heeled shoe like modeling it, and he threw the rest of her body into the Willamette River.
So horrible.
The second murder happens almost ten months later in November of nineteen sixty eight, when a twenty three year old named Jan Susan Whitney's car breaks down on the five between Salem in Albany in Oregon. Brutos offers to drive her to his house so that she can call a tow truck. She was actually traveling with two men. There were like two hippie guys she had picked up, but they weren't helping fix the car, so he picked up all three of them. Then he dropped the guys off
and brought Jan to his own house. So he got Then when he got to his house, he's like, I'm just going to run in and tell my wife, But he got in the car behind her and strangled her with a leather strap, sexually assaulted her and then kept This is like so disturbing. So I'll just tell you to fast forward thirty seconds if like really really disturbing stuff. But he kept her body hanging from a hook and pulley system in his garage for several days, and he
dressed her up, photographed her, had sex with her. He was a necrophile as well, Like he had sex with her dead body, and it's so insane.
He was super cocky after he.
Got away with his first murder, Like he left her there for days and days. In fact, his family went away for a few days and he left her hanging there, and a car crashed into his house, leaving a hole big enough that if anyone had looked inside, they would have seen this woman's body just dangling there. But no one looked inside, including the cops. So it gets grown, Well, what happened is what happened was like after he got home.
He later, when he confessed all this later, he goes, that was a close one.
To the cops.
He goes, so I took her down, and I like wrapped her in plastic and then and put her in another building on my property. And then I invited the insurance and the cops people to come back and take a look at the garage, so it's like but on first blush, like they really could have seen it, like
and they didn't, and it's so it's horrible. He also cut off one of her breasts and made a resin mold out of it that he used as a paperweight, which is an asylum the season of American Horror Story if you've seen that, like Zachary Quinto's character has paper weights that are made out of human breasts.
It's horrible. This is very ed Gean, Like, yeah, I thought that even earlier as you talked that, go oh, this is like Psycho, which is kind of based on Edgie and likes a key. It is now the breast paperway.
I mean, this is no great connection.
Most of the articles that I read refers to him as like the main character in Psycho, Like many of them refer to him as that because he has all these like similar tendencies and like a hatred of his mother and blah blah blah. So when he then he again threw the body into the Willamette River, he waged the bodies down and then he would throw them into the river. And he also threw in the foot from the first victim because at that point it had rotted.
Murder Number three happens four months later, so they're getting closer together because this guy's obviously like he's.
Turned on by these murders, of course.
And March of nineteen sixty nine, eighteen year old Karen Sprinker is abducted at gunpoint from a parking garage, and then two young girls later informed the police that a large man dressed in drag was on the parking garage roof on the day that Karen went missing, So that was Jerry. He took her to his garage, made her try on his collection, impose while he took pictures of her, sexually assaulted her, and then finally strangled her by hanging her body from this pulley system that he.
Has in his garage, which is like so horrific, I can't even.
Yeah, And so then he again had sex with the body's post mortem, more necrophilia, and then on he also cut off her breast to make plastic molds with them because I think the first one he said didn't turn out the way he wanted it to anyway, then he of course say it with me now through her body into the Willamette river.
That's like where he goes to dump all of his bodies. And now the crimes are getting.
So close together because it's literally a month later April twenty first, he attempts to kidnap Sharon Wood, aged twenty four, at gunpoint in a parking garage at Portland State University. She fought back, bit his thumb till it broke the skin, and then he beat her unconscious, and then an oncoming car spooked him and he fled the scene. But he's so like hard up to get another woman that he tries the next day to get someone else.
Then it's so bizarre.
There's on April twenty second, there's all this conflicting info. I'm reading info that he tried to kidnap Gloria Jean Smith, who was fifteen, and also that he tried to kidnap nap fourteen year old Leanne Brumley, And so some of the articles I read think that this is the same victim.
With their name changed. So I don't know what the actual name of the victim is.
But I looked everywhere and it's it's both names or in places all over about him. But he was only confessed to like there were only two attempted kidnappings, so these are definitely the same one that happened on April's twenty second. And he tried to lure this person into his mother's green Volkswagen, but they escaped.
So this victim escaped, thank god.
But the cops like still at this point, aren't really like connecting these these disappearances. Wow, well they haven't found bodies yet, so they're not They're not connecting anything yet that these women.
Have gone missing.
And then murder number four happens the day after these two consecutive days of kid nappings. He's super desperate and he abducts Linda Sale, who's twenty two, from a mall parking lot. And here he uses a fake police badge and says he's a cop, and it's like, I'm gonna rest you for shoplifting. Get come with me, and does the same thing, brings her to his garage, rape, strangle, necrophilia, dump the body in the Willamette River.
But he also tried to This is so horrific.
He tries to electrocute her to make her body like git dance or jump, but it didn't work. But he's an electrician, like a lot of them were choked with a copper wire. So that's like from the episode, that's a link also to the sexual true crime. So the next month, May of nineteen sixty nine, a fisherman finds the body of victim number four, Linda Salee, in the Long Tom River, and a couple days later they find Karen Sprinker, victim number three's body.
Because Sprinker was a college.
Student, the police ask students at Oregon State University in Corvallis about any suspicious men that have been hanging around like whatever, and it turns out that Jerry had just been calling random college girls, posing as a lonely Vietnam vet and asking them on dates. And one girl who talked to the police said, I actually did go on a date with this guy, Jerry Brutos, and he really creeped me out because on the date he asked me,
aren't you afraid that I'm going to strangle you? And that obviously got her like, you know, red flags flapping in the wind. They were like, okay, well, let us
know if he calls you again, and he did. He called her again, and she had no intention of going on a second date with him, but when he called she set one up and then she called the cops, and so they were surveilling the date, and they said he strolled up to the date full confidence, not like a sketchy person with someone with something to hide, like just like, what's up, Ready for my date?
And probably excited that he was going to kill again. And they won a hero yeah, college girl hero yeah, seriously, And.
They were interested in him as a suspect, but they really had nothing to hold him under like and they just kept him under surveillance and looked into his background and they realized, oh my gosh, like the first victim was taken like right near where he lives, and the second victim, her car broke down right on a route that.
He would take to and from work.
So like they basically figured out he had full access to all four victims.
It would have been easy for him to get to them.
He had.
Also, when he had been questioned by police, he gave a false address, which increased their suspicions. They got a warrant to search his car which had been which I believe that the warrant to search his car and all that stuff is based off of the girl who he tried to abduct because she lived the car had been freshly washed, more suspicious. So then the teen who he tried to abduct picked him out of a photo array,
so the cops went to go arrest him. On May thirtieth, Brudos was arrested wearing women's underwear and was interrogated by police, and even though his lawyer told him to shut the fuck up, he confessed to everything because he wanted to brag, like he's one of these guys like they I don't remember exactly, but if you watched Minehunter, he is portrayed in mind Hunter, and this guy loves to talk about his crimes like he had zero guilt, zero remorse.
He had only remorse for himself.
He's like, oh, I'm going to jail, and I guess I feel bad for my wife and kids, but that was it.
Like the women.
He apparently at one point they asked him about the women, and he bawled up a piece of paper and threw it away, and he's like, I feel about those women the way I feel about that wadded up.
Piece of paper, like trash. I don't care.
They also said the cops that he never lost his appetite despite like describing every horrific thing he did to these women and their bodies after they were dead, and that he said he talked about the victims like they were objects that belonged to him and existed only for his pleasure. He also told his wife Darcy, to burn a bunch of evidence, which girl Darcy did not do, and so when the authorities came to his home and garage, he thought like, Aha, they're never going to find anything.
My wife took care of it.
They found everything, they found evidence linking him to Unfortunately, they found evidence linking him to only three of the murders.
Even though he confessed to.
The first murder, that was his first murder.
So at that point he wasn't taking photos, he wasn't keeping trophies yet, and so there wasn't as much evidence.
But they found the hook and pulley system, nylon cord, leather straps like copper wire that he had used, a mold for the paperweight, that he had made, women's shoes in various sizes, tons of underwear, girdles, panties, slips, as well as photographs, and the photos were really graphic like the photos were of him and female underwear, but were also images of the victims, like one was a woman suspended from the hook and pulley with a black hood
over her head. Another the body had been dressed in several different garments and photograph and a lot of times in the photographs the heads had been cut out of the women in the photograph so that he could just look at the bodies. So that just goes to show you, like how much he dehumanized the women, like their faces
and heads, like just like didn't really mean anything. One of the photos that Anne Rule wrote about in her book was of quote, a girl's body clothes in a black lace slip and panties with garters hung suspended from the ceiling, the camera angled up to her crotch, reflected in a mute on the floor. In the lower corner of the photo there was the frozen image of a killer caught unawares in the mirror end of quote. So the photo was Brutos in the photo looking up at
the woman he had just murdered. So he like caught himself on camera, so like he and he confessed to all four.
Unfortunately he did not.
He was never prosecuted for the murder of Linda Slawson and her body was never found, So if her body had been found and they'd been able to make like forensic matches, but her body was never found, his lawyers attempted a mental illness defense, and he, like you know, tried to whine and like fake, cried to convince psychiatrists that he was the victim of a terrible mother, but most of them were like, no, you just feel sorry
for yourself. He claimed that in nineteen sixty seven, the year before he started murdering, that he'd been electrocuted because he was an electrician, and he said that's when his headaches started, and he said he couldn't control himself, and he fantasized about keeping women in their corpses in freezers, and he wanted to be able to dress and pose them like they were dolls essentially, And he said if he went to a hospital, he knows he'd get better and he could get out and raise.
His own kids.
Like so he was like arrogant and delulu this man.
Seven psychiatrists assessed him and said that he absolutely has a personality disorder, but always knew that what he was doing was wrong, So they're like, yes, he had antisocial personality disorder, which many psychopaths have, but was not legally insane or psychotic. He knew what he did was illegal, and he knew what was wrong, and they said there's
no way he can be rehabilitated. So after consulting with his attorneys, who were like, bro, you are it is a dead end for you, he changed his plea to guilty and the murders of Jan Whitney, Karen Sprinker, and Linda Saley. Whitney's body was recovered the month after he was convicted, but they were able to charge her based on photos and evidence and stuff. But unfortunately, Linda Slawson's body was never found in so he was never prosecuted
because yeah, he took no photos of her. He was sentenced to three consecutive terms of life imprisonment with the chance of parole, which is crazy, but he appealed and went before the Pearl board a billion times, and then in nineteen ninety five they were like, you're never getting out. Just FYI, like you're never getting out, so and they assured the families he's never getting out.
So and his prison cell was filled with shoe catalogs.
He would like ride away for them and like get shoe companies to send him shoe catalogs, so a sickness even in punishment. And he died in prison in two thousand and six of liver cancer after serving thirty seven years in prison. And I believe I read something like he was one of the longest kept offenders in prison in Oregon or something at the time of his death, so he definitely served a lot of time before he died. But like, truly one of the sickest cases I've read about.
And what And it's weird.
There's not like I don't know, there's not like good docks and stuff about him. It's like almost maybe too much like people.
I've never really heard of him. Was it Season one of Mine Hunter? I think so, because I don't even remember that. This is sick, dude, This is like fucking movie level gross.
Yeah, because they I read the actor's name. They told me they wrote they said somewhere of who played him in mind Hunter.
But yeah, it's uh, super fun.
And it's just like the guy was so not remorseful, not like I'm sick, not like you know what I mean, just kind of like, yep, I did it and wanted to brag about it.
And dude, ugh, yeah, the shoe fetish slayer.
Yeah, he was portrayed by an actor named Happy Anderson in uh season one of Mine Hunter.
It was episode seven and eight.
And Wikipedia says, and I'm not sure whether this stuff is ever real that Ted Levine, who played Buffalo Bill in Silence Little Lambs, partially based his performance on Brutos but fucking sick.
Thank you for doing that. Yeah, and join us for a host mortem that will be sicker than ever.
All Right, Still no guests today because we are standing union strong. Hopefully as of the time of this release of this episode, the SAG strike will be over, but it has not ended yet. Actually, were we did a while ago have a guest lined up for this episode. We were supposed to talk to the woman who plays the mother, who I always thought of as you know,
the iconic Blair Waldorf's mother from Gossip Girl. But we did find out through doing research on her that she is anti choice and that's just if you know.
You know us, and that's not the vibe of this podcast. So we decided wildly anti choice. It's like very loud. Oh yeah, she's loudly anti choice. Wow. So we were like, it wasn't like we had to even dig. It was like, and this is the number one thing I care about church results.
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't like in my free time, I enjoy knitting going on and uh protesting women's rights, you know, like that.
It was it was the number one thing that she likes, so wed not to do that. You know, and in this episode she is very anti choice. No, I don't know. I was gonna make a connection to like she didn't let her son just like feet, but that you know, that's trivializing of course. Yu. Listen, this episode is so good. It's SVU and like shocking. It's twisted, it's kind of it's messy, it's layered, there's twists. It's like a really good fucking classic yeah episode.
Yeah, and it's got, it's got all as usual, Olivia Benson flexing her knowledge of luxury goods. She knows how much things cost. Okay, she she might be a cop, but she likes the finer things in life.
What I mean.
Yeah, the big post mortem takeaway for me here is like, yeah, let your fucking kids like what they like. I guess it doesn't matter, but I mean Jerry Brutos's mom, it seems like was just mad at him for being a boy, and so like she degraded him and made him like, you know, wear girl's clothing. I guess says that I wouldn't do go that root because that seems well, that's like you turned him into a serial killer. Yeah, don't
force your kids to do anything. Don't force them to like any kind of I literally just now posted for shoes. I was like, I need shoes for my four year old on my bicell trade group on on a Facebook and was like, I need shoes for my ten year old. She doesn't like any new shoes, so I need to buy her like worn in shoes and she's not fem she doesn't like anything fem.
So I need blue, I need gray, I need.
Black, I need red you know wait, and she needs them worn in, Like the the best shoes she likes are the ones for that I get her from this consignment store that's over in Eagle Rock, because she likes she like if I get her new ones from Target, which I have many times, she's like they're too tight, like she doesn't like the stiffness.
And I don't think she understands the concept of breaking in shoes. So yeah, but you know, such a little particular angel she really is, and you know what she needs? Well, no, because I digs you for forever.
You know.
She famously just wore these nikes with full white big socks and I was just like, why is this happening? And then I found out it was her choice, and yeah, I like that. I was like, why is my friend doing this?
No, I am very much trying.
Like so many places, it's like so much work, it's hot out or going to the pool, like, oh my god, she it's ninety five degrees.
In La.
She will only wear long sleeve shirts with short sleeve shirts over them, and then a jacket and then long pants, socks and shoes like she is. I don't know how she could ever live anywhere else but La. She's freezing all the time.
I guess, is she? What is it? And she keeps them on? Are they so king wet? When she comes home? Does she get she does? She off the layers.
She'll take off just the jacket at school at the end of the day, usually like when she's at after school, and then when I pick her up, she's like, I'm sweaty, and I'm like, yeah, I know, what are you doing? But yeah, like I don't, I don't try to, Like, I know you all are, like, what about that time you made her wear a dress for your brother's wedding. That was the last time I did that, And that was,
you know, fourteen months ago. She's never worn a dress since, and she probably won't wear a dress again until she has a full you know, I don't know, maybe's Daniel, she's maybe have Bluey wears a dress. Yeah, she's not even influenced by friends because her best friend is like the girliest girl ever and she's just like not about that life. And her best friend eats oysters. She's four years old. This girl she eats oysters. She eats sushi, eat rosy pasta. So yeah, not a follower, but also
also totally a follower in a lot of ways. But yeah, let your kids fucking do what they want so that you don't turn them into serial killers.
Come on, let's go.
She's already obsessed with skeletons. I don't need to help her get any more creepy.
You know, I know that is a particular genre of girl that like loves nightmare before Christmas and Jack Skellington. It is just like a little gothic type and I know a lot of I like it a lot, but it wasn't my main thing. But like our friend's sister, what is that?
Oh, my best friend from home just sent this to my best friend from home just sent this to Oscar and Rosie. It's Ogie Boogie from Wow from Nightmare before Christmas because they love it. That's just funny that you brought that up, because Jared just texted me that five minutes ago.
But what were you saying.
Oh? Nothing, that's just like a particular genre of person for sure. Oh and then well you we'll have to wait for next week, but you are You've been in charge of the harvest festival at Rosie's school and can't wait to hear the full rundown of harvest fest.
Oh my god, the harvest festival.
Yeah.
The only thing I have left to do is get pumpkins and hay bales. And I'm just going around to businesses begging them to donate pumpkins and heybales, and I'm honestly getting ghosted by this woman that runs a pumpkin batch and I don't get it.
It's like, just tell me. No, she's just not answering me.
Any people aren't good at communicating in that way. They would rather just ruin your life. Where did you go on the mom group ask for pumpkins?
I should?
I should? That's my next move, that's my next move. But yeah, it's funny. We will not stop talking about Halloween and we can't. And what's so funny is that we're then going to live through Halloween and then one then talk about it again.
It will be our December first episode and will be like, oh my god, I had the best Halloween.
And then we'll talk about the Roney finale.
Everything is so far away.
But listen, guys, this is how it works when we have to be putting out quality podcasts for you, performing quality shows for.
You live I love.
How's that?
Oh yeah, no reviews there.
I guess you'll have to wait for another You'll have to wait for another season of the Ultimatum Queer Love.
With someone I was stoned and instead of Ultimatum Queer Love, I said it was a show called Ultimate Queers.
The Ultimate Queers in a queer SmackDown.
I love that, and we really cracked up.
You know what I want to watch and I feel like we have to give a shout out to a fellow exactly right person. But our friend Roz Hernandez is hosting a show with Kristen Stewart that's like a gay ghost hunting show, a queer ghost hunting show, and I love that it's called Living for the Dead on Hulu.
So that's just a shout out.
I'm going to check it out very soon, but hopefully you guys will watch it as well, because Roz is like side splittingly funny and I'm sure that her hunting for ghosts with another Twilight vampire is a great idea. I don't know, Wait, does Kristens do whatever turn into a vampire? I'm not familiar with the show.
She does, she does, she does?
Thank you, Casey very familiar with the cannon? Are you a twy hard? No?
But my group of friends was very into Twilight in college and I have I did go to every single movie at the midnight showing in college. Wow, I at least have a working knowledge of Twilight.
Wow, Casey, wow wow wow wow wow.
The most actually just watched a compilation of Like a Carousel on Instagram of Robert Pattinson talking about how much he hates Twilight. In every interview he like hates it and hates being in it and thinks it is trash. And there was like a full carousel ten of him just hating it during press jun kits.
When I worked at MTV, when a new movie would come out, it was like all we could talk about at work for weeks, and then they would go to San Diego Comic Con and it would just be like people getting crushed and like it just was such a beatles thing with the fucking Twilight that I'm kind of glad I.
Was never really a part of No.
I really wasn't a part of Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings. I lay Hunger Games pitted out for me. I don't know though, that's I guess I did read all the Hunger Games books. I did do that.
But I'm pleasing.
I think what franchise I really like outside the Housewives? Is there a movie franchise I've seen them all of I think Saw has good acting. Okay, let's go aha.
Jared just saw Saw ten and said it was bad. Did you see it, Casey?
No, I heard that one is actually pretty good.
That's what everybody said. That's why he went.
He goes, everybody's saying Saw ten is good, and I go, I thought you didn't like torture porn, and he goes.
It's supposed to be good, and I go, Okay. He comes in from watching it.
I go, how was it?
He goes, it was torture porn?
Like yeah, but the first one is so cool, Like, you know, the trap on the head, that's scary.
I haven't watched any of them, are you.
Okay, there's like this wild trap on this woman's head and she there's like a puzzle of some sort of a timer and she has to that like unlock this thing, and if not, or a whole like john Face gets ripped open by this metal contraption and so it's like so stressful.
Yeah, that would be stressful. I fucking hate that kind of shit. All right, speaking of you know, let's move on to what would Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment where we direct you to an article, an organization, a book, something to give you more info about what we talked about today. And this week, we wanted to point you to the book Lust Killer by Ann Rule if you want to know more about Jerry Brudos, which I don't know why you need to know more, but some people, you know, I don't know.
I read a whole book on the Green River Killer. I've read books on Ted Bundy, you know.
And Anne Rule was, as we mentioned, Ted Bundy's like pal before he got busted. So she wrote a book about Jerry Brudos called The Lust Killer. So if you want to know more about old Jerry, read Lust Killer. And that will be as always, that will be saved on our highlights on our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page, and we'll post it on our stories the day the episode comes out.
And next week we'll be doing solitary Season eleven, episode three. The SVU never stops. We're obsessed with all of you. And if you're wondering where you can watch, it's Hulu, It's Peacock, It's a VPN peace out. Oh my god, care I found a childhood photo of me and on the TV screen is UPN like it like it says no, It's like at the moment, wait and now you're watching EPN, I will It's I'll show yeah, I will because I do love UPN.
Stay tuned for Lisa watching UPN. Thank you guys for listening, We'll see you next week.
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