Terrorized w/ Tarek Bishara

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Time and I do have to do am. I hope you're listening. I was at the Moontower Festival the last night of the fest. I mean, that's a mistake for any audience member. We've been drinking free booze for four days. We're tired, we're done. And I did meet a listener in the bathroom and she's like, I came here to see you, and I was like, honey, you picked the wrong show.

And it was a bar show.

They kept all the TVs on, like WrestleMania was on championship games. They would refuse to turn them off. This is for the festival. I went up first. I did maybe seven minutes. I don't think there was a joke in there. And so if you are listening, I'm sorry you went to such an but the show was actually called unhinged.

It it was called unhinged. Well you got what you paid for, literally, so they got an uninched show.

But I just wanted to say thank you for coming and I apologize for my unprofessionalism.

That's really fun.

I saw in like more, you know, more more hinged. Yeah, so you know, I ran into some cuties.

I saw a listener at the Hermiceo, lovely guy who spotted me with my fucking kids at the Hermiceo.

And which is a barm ceo is not a bar, it's a babysitting sir.

It's a it's a full it's a full romper room. If you go before, if you go in the daylight hours.

I'm in the staff, Like I am interested in the staff because they're obviously making money that they wouldn't make, you know, because when I used to go, I would type there and it was empty. I would go to the Hermiceo and tippity tap to nobody.

Well, now, yeah, what is it.

Some of the bartenders from the Hermiceo have spun off and opened their own place called Sam's Place that's over on a little bit closer to Figaroa and it's very hip and there. I went there with my friend and this bartender who used to be like, you gotta keep your kids out of the bar to me one time, and I was like, do you think I want them in the bar. I'm chasing them. I am literally running after them. They are terrorists, Like I don't know apropo

You know what I mean.

That's what I think the trajectory has to be. He looked so happy. He gave me a huge smile. He was so nice to me and my friend. I was like, you love me without a kid, and that makes complete sense to me. And yeah, but I had just gotten back from Florida with my kids for five days.

Lovely little trip we took together.

But I was with them for you know, five full days by myself, and I had to wake them to jarsyou. He didn't my sister I didn't master met me down there, so we Yeah.

It was cute.

And and then my parents, my mom ended up being down there and my dad joined like on the last day.

So like, I had a lot of family done there, so it was fun.

I didn't I didn't end up finding a place to watch drag Race, but it was fine.

I watched it when I got home. It's just listen.

I loved the performances, the outfits, the looks like I had such a good time. It just was a little obvious who was going to win. Yeah, and I missed the reunions. I miss a little tip for tat let's hit a chat, Like I'm annoyed, Like maybe I.

Think they should like add that more into the They're trying to make it part of the Lolla Perusa, but it's like not enough. They're trying to make people have side combos.

And like you know, reconcile and stuff.

But I think I just saw Jules fucking knocked it out of the park in the reunion knocked it out, I mean for the finale, knocked.

It out of the park, like killing. She looked great. I loved her first performance. But that's the thing with the reveals, you could tell she was focused on the reveals and un zipping, and you know, it was great. I wouldn't be able to do any of that, but it was. It was just like stop on zipping, stop looking, stop thinking about what you're going to take off nex But the.

Song from what we saw happened to Lydia this season.

You know.

But then also with Anya, I'm like, can you have one review? I'm like, you can't take.

Off the Colone a little something, But no, I thought Jules.

Knocks out of the park and she's about to have an incredible They're both about to have an incredible career.

I mean everybody.

Yeah yeah, but Lexie also like in her first performance in her head and you can tell though she was thinking, she was thinking she wasn't free, and there's like, you know.

But I did like her number I love. Yeah.

Yeah, it's just Jewels was magnificent in that first performance. Yeah, it's like so smooth, so silly, so everything.

You know.

I like, again, who do would you buy tickets for? Like, if Jewels was coming near me, I would buy tickets. I would go see her, yeah, you know, but I would go see Anya too. You know, I would absolutely go see Anya. There's a lot of you know, everybody's talking shit online.

Wait what are they saying? I don't know.

Well, everybody's like, oh, Anya was boring in the finale. But it's like she won the season and Jewels won the finale. It's like you have to decide, like what who wins the show?

You know what I mean?

And like my friend pointed out, like Sasha Valure's reveal or whatever that happened, that was so like just out of the park, out of nowhere, like crazy that it was like undeniable. And I feel like they you know that was it wasn't like undeniable. We have to give it to jewels, you know what I mean?

No, a.

Bit of bagel? Do you never me? You never learn?

I know, why don't I wake up just a little earlier. It's so warm, it's so beautiful in here.

Oh that looks like a gorgeous Podega bagel.

It is.

And I got recognized at my coffee shops today, so then all the staff knows who they're messing with, Jake, and they never messed with me.

They're all so nice.

But a woman ran to me, going I love you and hugged me, and I'm like, I'm getting a Coopri coffee tomorrow.

I sense it. Wait drag race.

Oh, when Rue announced that they're all gonna get a tip, Lexi revealed did her reveal? She did her Cabra reveal. I really liked that as well. That was really funny. It's just such a death because it's like, you know, this say is over, then pit stuff's over, then fashion photo reviews over, and I'm like, wait, it's like all three and one. I know. Raven and Raja said they already filmed the whole neck for all, so we're gonna see them soon.

I think all start.

That's weeks.

Yeah, yeah, and that's I think I might be long because it's like a it's like a fucking March Madness style bracket thing.

But it was fun.

It was a great season with nice light drama, nothing too hard. I mean, I've cried. I love the parents episode. You know, I thought it was a great season, but I for sure Anya was gonna win.

I wasn't born.

But by the end it was the same choreo over and over.

But the song is long.

Like I get what people are saying, if that's what they're saying, yeah, but I also get what some people are saying, which I feel too.

Is like I miss when it was like at the Ace Hotel theater. Like I missed when it was like in a big theater and it felt like a special event. This is just kind of like a finale and they bring in an audience and then they keep cutting to the same like four attractive people in the audience the entire time, Like that's it, you know, Like I want to.

I like it. But at the same time, I have friends who have.

Gone to those finale tapings and say that they're torturous, like they're ten hours, and like maybe it's faster to have it just do it as in the studio where like they have everything in place.

Who fucking then I think it was Monet who said this that was funny on uh pitstop that Sam Starr's family was like a black family at graduate at a high school graduation. But they were like losing their minds. Yeah right, thing they looked angry watching her perform. They were like fuck yes, like this is so mad. How good she was doing? So that was really cute.

So my kids are getting way better on the airplane and watching their own shit. It's a lot easier. And I got to watch two movies on the airplane, granted with a lot of pausing.

But I saw this movie Blink twice. Have you seen that?

No?

But I know it's Zoe Kravitz.

Yeah, you know Channing Tatum famously who follows me.

So yeah, oh famously.

That's right.

I forgot, but I didn't. I didn't see it, so tell me more. It's super it's good.

I thought it was really good, and I'm actually surprised it didn't get more. Like I went online and was like it was well reviewed, Like I think it has like an eighty percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

You know, like it's like it's very beautiful.

It's very like like they're on an island for most of the movie.

You know, like it's fucked up. Like I bring it up because it's fucked up.

And it has like themes that I feel like we see in SVU all the time, you know, themes about you know, men, treatment of women, and like I don't want to give away too much, but like it's there's a lot of good twists too, Like it's really good.

I think you would like it. I think you should watch it.

Then I watched this other movie that I never fucking heard of called Skincare with Elizabeth Banks.

I have seen it, so seen it.

Yeah, we're both flying Delta bit I'm true, that's true. Yeah, but it's like I never even heard of it, and I'm a big I love Elizabeth now because I saw a billboard of it and I went, oh my god, I have to see it. And then someone next to me was like, Wow, you're really taken by Billboard because I guess I can, and so I go, yeah, no, I am, and the cover is good. It's a Weirdoh it's weird. It's a weird movie. Yeah.

It's like I read a review that was basically like the script needed work, but Elizabeth Banks is so compelling, and that's kind of what I felt about it. I was like, I don't know if the movie's good, but I like watching her, you know.

Yeah, and I liked those twists and turns too. Yeah, it was crazy that movie.

But anyway, I just I never I never taken any new media, so I was like, I came prepared to talk about these two new movies that I saw, but oh, also, really quick, I just want to do a shout out to a listener that wrote us a message that she's running the London Marathon and she's going to be listening

Okay.

I have something that So I met someone in Austin her name is Madison Madison McGee, and she has a podcast called Ice Cold Case.

Have you heard about this? No? She helps she's trying to solve her dad's murder.

What. Yeah, And she's like talks to suspects. It's in seasons and she's you know, with cops, it's all of it. But it's Ice Cold Case and she's trying to solve her dad's murder. Wow. Telling me that she met like a suspect and they ended up hugging. But it might be him, and so I definitely want to listen to it. But yeah, I'm excited. That's cool.

Wow.

And the website looks very professed. I mean the success La Jerry.

Yeah. Cool.

Damn.

I hope she figures it out. I know, I know.

Meanwhile, I watched I had to get her a shout out. I watched the whole Karen Reid documentary on HBO Max. I have to go over the break, like over the break. I mean, I was, like, you know, watching with my sister who had already seen it, but watched it again with me because she's so obsessed with the Karen Reid case. It is a wild fucking case. You don't know anything about it really.

I know, I know some about it, I just didn't I haven't watched it yet, so but people everyone brings it up to me.

Of course, yeah, you're gonna die when you see it. Like why do you keep going did she do it or not? I don't think she did it, first of all. I don't think she did it second of all. Just to like a synopsis for those of you that maybe have no idea what we're talking about. This is a crime that happened a few years ago in Boston area, Canton, mass And basically this girl and her boyfriend, who is a Boston cop. He goes into a house, he doesn't come out of the house, and she goes, fuck you,

They were all wasted.

Everybody in the house is a cop or a or a fucking atf agent or like there's like federal agents.

Like everybody there is like cops. They own the town.

They're like corrupt and there's so much fucking sketchy information. My thing is, worst case, even if she did hit him with her car, I think it was manslaughter. Like I don't think that you could say that she saw him backed into him on purpose left in there, like that doesn't seem like the like what happened. So I think, if anything, it's manslaughter. But I don't think she hit him with the car. There's no there's not enough evidence, and there's a lot of evidence that is really fucking shady.

So why does the retrial just start? Why was there a mistrial?

There was a mistrive because the jury literally could not come to it to conclusion that half of them thought that she did it and half of them thought or I don't know what the exact like breakdown was of percentages, but like they could not, Like the judge gave them days and days and they kept coming back saying.

We are deadlocked.

So now there's going to be another trial that just started, and it's turned into a full spectacle in this area. Like when you go to the courthouse, it's half people in pink holding signs that say free Karen read and half people in blue that say justice for John, and like it's.

Justice for John. Doesn't mean Karen did it. That's one of the friends, you know what I.

Mean exactly, And I think it's it's also I actually had to call my sister out a little bit on some ingrained misogyny. I was like, she was like, well, the woman does act really cocky and stuff, and I'm like, yeah, we're expecting people to act normal in not normal situations, like she's fighting for her life. It's like we somebody said that on this podcast, right, or who said that is on an ice cold fact.

No, it was the prosecutor and the girl in the box, Caroline Stam's case, right, that's.

Right, So like exactly, like I'm like, this is the same as like this girl I went to college with. Remember I famously was on Dateline. She went on all these talk shows and she was stoic, and everybody was like, she fucking did it. People expect, especially women, to act a very specific way, and Karen Reid is more than you're hysterical. Yeah, And they are like, she didn't even react in court this and that. It's like she's looking down the barrel of spending her life in jail. She's

They literally and.

We know not to trust the police. Wasted cops. Yeah, more investigating into them.

The craziest part there are all these phone calls between the cops, their wives, all these people from the party. They all get on the stand and claim that they're butt dialing each other. They're all claiming that their butt dials saying that on the stand, like there's there's text messages from the trooper who is leading the case going with his friend going is she hot and him going yeah, she's hot, weird fall river accent though, no ass like rating her body. The woman who's the suspect in the

It's fucking wild. There's so many good.

Twists, Like it's five episodes, I think, and it's uh.

Well, because I also just got Michelle McNamara's book finally, so yeah, you know, and that's gonna that's gonna take at least a.

Year for me.

I mean I read that when it came out, and it took me a while. I mean, like, but that's got and that's got Paul holes all over it. Our line now Paul holes.

But I speaking of cases, I got definitely have to watch that.

We're recording this.

Luigi has trial in two days, one pm on Friday.

I will be gone again.

Oh but last week Pennsylvania, you know, the defense attorney did all these motions for the evidence to be thrown out. They missed their deadline. The prosecution truly missed their deadline to respond. But of course they're gonna get ext Like,

Yeah, that's yeah.

So that's something that I learned from her, because I had all these questions because you know, the court documents.

Are I figured.

I mean, I'm like, it's on top of that, it's also just like a fucking make him a poster child for like you know, you know they're trying to make they're trying to make vandalizing a tesla a terrorist act, so you know they're they're thrown around terrorism real loose these days, which is very apropo of today's episode.

But I guess person on a governor's house isn't terror?

Not terrors?

Weird trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan, Like, is that terrorism?

So strange that that's not, and so strange that our government's you know, our president's so into anti Semitism, but not when it's the first night of passover and the governor is fleeing his home. But you know, my god, picker choose, picker, choose. We did really good for a while, the interest, Yeah, the American except you started the Valley.

No, I haven't, I haven't, is it is it? I missed.

I missed almost all my Bravo last week while I was gone, except I watched the last reunion.

I feel sad the way garcel went out.

I mean, I'm good she left, but I just think it's like she was a great, a great housewife, and it just sucks. She goes out on this note and Sutton and none of them will ever get her. They will never look in word.

Didn't even stand up for her.

No Ston, And then going back to the green room, going we were supposed to do supper. Why didn't garcels sit and wait for me while I'm taking photos and talking shit about her with all these people that don't like her.

I don't know, It's it's ridiculous. I hate the word supper. Oh, I know, she sucks.

They all suck, and they a oh I've had it much worse. Yeah, and you all run off crying all the time, and you're always late, So the fact that you're saying anything about her being unprofessional is crazy.

She's worked more than all of you combined.

Kyle looked like a fucking high school me trying to hide the fact that I had a party while my parents were out of town, like that entire reunion, like.

I'm not okay.

Yeah, she just looked like a fucking like unable to do a convincing lie one time, like she could not lie she could, she was trapped by every question like it was wild to watch.

Okay, but yeah, I just thank god Garcia chose herself and said, I don't need this.

I don't need this.

I don't need to be around people who do not like me, do not want to understand me, are so cold to me. Nothing, everything's brushed aside, even with Andy, and it is like none of them want to see it. It's all just like, well I've had to answer, and it's like okay, m hmm, well she's gone, so yeah, have fun, have fun.

While she is like it's always what about ism, It's like, well you're feeling you all run off, you all cry and run off and threw yeah yeah, yeah, like you know what.

I mean none of them are professional. That's why they're on this fucking show. And Garcel's gonna go get real jobs. Now, yeah, I think it is a real job.

I love. I mean it is a bit. She's gonna get acting jobs, you know, and producing.

Oh, I do have one more thing, so you know, we always have a split screen because we have notes. We have the zoom and we have notes, and I have three tabs open that are all Tetris, the same Tetris website. It's had a hold on me now again for too long, but someone told me that if something traumatic and awful happens to you, the first thing you should go do not the first, but you should immediately

I literally downloaded Tetris to my phone three days ago. WHOA, isn't that crazy. I've never had it on my phone. I just downloaded it and was like, I keep getting targeted for all these like really high death ads you know, like where the blocks look really three D and like it looks really satisfying to watch the lines like crush and go away. So I was like, you know what, I'm not buying one of these, but I'm gonna, like fucking just download regular Tetris. And the other day I

Trauma. That's my trauma.

Also, so I was on Mark Marin's podcast, and obviously I know it's a really popular podcast, and I know it's like a big deal.

It was something I've wanted to.

Do for a long time, but the amount of people that have written to me is insane.

I didn't realize this popular.

And me and him named names, We talked shit, people got strays that did not deserve it, and I am like, oh, oh no.

We're not gonna do it. Got clean up on Aisle four.

Some people are reaching out like oh my god, thanks for saying my name or like that was so nice, and then other people are like, oh my god, They're like why'd you hit?

And I was like, that's so fucking funny.

I know it's it's so silly, but he's just he was just he's like me, you know, he's messy as well. So we we had some fun, but.

I like, I could honestly see it going either way of YouTube getting along.

No, And right away he goes, yeah, I always see you, but I ignore you or like we've never talked. I go, yeah, maybe we'll stop ignoring each other. We truly make eye contact and don't acknowledge each other for years, for years, So you are right. But I got to pet his cats and he was amazing and like, it was you really and.

You were in the garage? Was this when you were in La?

Yeah?

The garage? Yeah yeah yeah?

But yeah, so so he went to a hotel to meet with like mel Brooks, you know, but I think it's garage unless you're Obama, you.

Know, I gotta go to the garage.

Yeah no, I didn't know if it was maybe like zoom or something. But yeah, wow, well that's cool. I met him last a Christmas ago and he was really nice.

But for five minutes, yeah, he's like, I don't know. I definitely like got the chalk. I understand why he's like, you know, getting the fuck young women.

I guess. Yeah.

My friend is a longtime listener and very beautiful woman, and she's like, I love Mark Marin like I want to. I want to tell him that I think I could fix him, like, you know, like she like loves it.

No, I've been really hot. Women have been like, oh my god, how was he? I go, very charming, I understand, I understand. The people I like totally get it. And his house is built for the cats. It's like all for the cats. I go, Wow, the cats really room this place.

Yeah, like oh yeah, trick, so, oh my god, Wait, that's so funny that you guys talk shit hilarious.

Well, well we're getting started. We're gonna get started.

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I just did a fundraiser for child abuse.

I don't know, but it was in an Australia themed bar in the South Seaport, like past Battery Park, like so so far low Hugh Jackman might be an investor, but everyone had an Australian accent.

It was crazy, that's crazy.

There used to be an Australian restaurant on the Upper West Side that I would go to for bottomless Mamosa brunch and they served the craziest, weird Australian food and everyone that worked there was an Australian.

Yeah, you know, they love to travel and they love to stick together. I don't know.

But the Great White in La, the Great White Shark Place, that's an Australian place. I just went there for the first time like two weeks ago. I'd never been a Panta Monica. The Larch Larchmont. Yeah, I love it. No, the food was delicious. I had a great I had a great meal. I had a really good time there. It's very pretty all right, let's get started. We've got a good one for you. All right, we will be doing the episode Terrorized, season eighteen, episode one.

Yeah. Fun, what you're shaking your head now?

Why, It's just like it's just like, of course, of course, Stu was just like we got to get in the mix on all these things that were happening.

At the time. It's just like, is it so many things.

I honestly don't remember anything about this episode except this huge cold open that I've always been like, wait, what episode is that?

And it's fucking this yeah yeah yeah.

But like at this time, you know, September twenty first, the day after my birthday in twenty sixteen, this episode came out and we were still you know, blissfully in a pre Trump America. But there was a lot of terrorist stuff happening, and like, obviously that's the show was like, well, we got to dip a toe in, you know, we.

Got to dip in a terrorist toe.

I'm actually doing a terrorism joke right now and people want to not like it, but they like it. They have to, and it's been really a fun journey to work on.

Anyways, I will get into that.

Yeah, God, it's so stupid that Hillary didn't win.

It's like, imagine how like different everything would be.

Oh so we open on cheery music, so that's kind of exciting, but then of course, oh no, JK. The greens are lush, it's a gorgeous day. There's kids with balloon hats. There's a balloon guy making balloons, and then a woman and a small boy walking hand in hand. We're not going to make any assumptions to their relationship. He runs off to go to the ballue. Art of course, a kid wants that. She chases after him. She's like Ali Ali, and but while she's running to catch him, bam,

Really and this was like a real fuck, Like I, yeah.

This happened to me when I was a child. What Yeah, when I was in summer camp in Chicago, Isla. It was on Peterson but I don't it was at a park. It was like a park district camp and I was crossing just like a bike path and a bike fucking hit me, and I remember it's.

Yeah, could you not that's traumatic?

I mean yeah, I remember being like, oh, fuck, when this lady gets hit.

Yeah, it's not it's not.

A well and we'll get to well. Just there's so much people run to help her. We're in Central Park, you know, everyone's all hands on deck. But Alia doesn't fucking notice. He's getting balloons made. Kids are surrounding him. And now we cut to Benson. She's at the park. She's spinning Noah. It's by one of the statues. I don't know if I've seen the statue, but it's one of them. And she has a coffee. Her hair is shiny,

So now, oh my god.

So then she like wants to throw away her coffee cup and wants in the garbage a newspaper with a photo of odds, and that stresses her out. Obviously, this is season eighteen, episode one, so the finale was when we lost baby Dots. So then her phone rings, it's crazy. She's like, oh, I'm actually at the park with Noah. We'll head down to eighty four. So we find this boy. He doesn't speak English. She's playing in like a sandbox.

Is there a name? Beadcastle? It's not a sand castle.

No, I need a little more construction for it to be a castle.

Oh, like just one lump. It was one bucket lump. If it's a one bucket lump, it's a one bucket lump.

I don't know.

I don't think there's a name. I think it's the beginnings of a sand castle, but it's not. Yeah, I think there should be a name, you know. It's like, yeah, I get what you're saying, though, You're like, I need like two structures the beginnings of a moat, like there has to be more for a sand castle.

Yeah.

So this little boy crawls into his backpack. Guess what he takes out not an uncrustable a gun. He points the gun on Benson and so obviously she like, you know, say it puts Noah behind her.

The uniform gun.

Takes its truly so shocking, Like this is a kid that's seen guns being used before.

He's not like playing with it. He's like, what's up?

Like he looks like a man holding a gun, Like you know what I mean, Like he's holding it kind of right, I.

Know, but he still looks like a little kid to me. And that's why, Yeah, I feel crazy. When the uniform guy aims the gun at the.

Kid, totally I thought that was crazy too, But I was like, she's like, chill.

Out, chill out, we don't yet tryal she grabs the gun from the kid. The kid's not like fighting this woman, and she takes the clip out. There is a bullet. She breathes really intensely as she hugs Noah. We hear sirens in the background, and it's the credits, So we're back from the credits. We're at the hospital and the boy is fine physically and not sexually abused, but definitely has trauma if he like has a gun in his backpack.

To keep the crime.

And the kid got the gun from somewhere and we need to find who the fuck this is, Like Benson has personal vendetta and now you know Noah's involved, Like no, no, no, no.

They head to a story.

They check out Bobbik's apartment, Rollin's increas here there all the evidence points to the boy lives there. And you know the evidence is just snacks in the fridge, but in a bag with his name embroidered on it, so he could be visiting. I don't understand when they jump to these weird conclusions with kitchen fines always in his little bag. There's a photo of him and his mother,

Kirk. He said that they argued a lot.

He says always something with these people, and Finn goes what people, He goes immigrants stuff like He's.

Like, what kind of question is that.

Finn goes, sure, and your people came here on the Mayflower, okay, and he got he looks gotten, so he leaves. I love that part and then rollins is like, we need to find this boy's mother. Do you have any ideas? He's like, well, I think she was a waitress, you know, but I don't know. Don't ask me where. And Rollins is ready to do detective work. And she saw that the leftovers in the fridge all came from one place, a diner called the Parthenon Classic. I feel like the

I fucking hate him right.

Now, Like, you're right, it's always a fucking why would he know he's from Staten Island and you're telling me he knows a Greek diner on thirtieth in Queens.

Yeah, And he is like diners are to him like Catholic schools are to Stabler, right, Like just this stupid encyclopedic knowledge of them that makes no sense. And also I'm just gonna say, I don't think Spana Copa.

Is ever like Killer. It's fine.

I'm never like, oh, the best Spanic cop but I've had a lot of Spanac. Maybe it's because you've never been to the Parthenon. Never I've been to the Parthenon. Yeah, yeah, you're right, that's probably it. That is definitely it.

But yeah.

So and then Chester Lake, it's any structure that his family built.

He knows everything and where it is. Yeah.

And then Finn knows every narcotics undercover agent, and.

Liv knows every designer label. Yeah, and Robins knows every stat of every athlete. That's like every any any guy's girl fact, yeah, guy's girl facts.

So whatever.

We're at the Parthenon and the manager knows the photo. He goes, that's anakopic and this guy's hot. And she has not shown up to work for three days, but that's usual. She comes and goes. He puts up with it. He doesn't give a fuck. He didn't know that she even had a son. And then he of course says, oh poor thing. Rollins asks questions. He says that she would show up with a black eye all the time and bruises so and he's down to give any info.

You're nodding, But I need the people to know that you agree with me, I'm not. I'm completely agree for me. He was her person.

It kisses me and he had growth and change and he's hot and was older and like, I don't know, I love Noah.

They went to fucking the beginning of this episode, doesn't she go, you want me to fly you like the plane we took to Paris. It's like they went on a romantic trip to Paris. And he was like, yes, bring your kid, sure, let's do it. You know, I will never forgive. I will never forgive for this.

So she bumps into the chief Daddy Dads and you know, she's kind of that fault for his son dying.

So the tension is real.

There's resent and yeah, he's being icy as fuck and he's holding meetings without her. They give each other dust stairs. She's like, I am lieutenant, I should be in the meeting, and he goes, no, no one wants you in the meeting. Thank you so much, and he walks off, but not before glancing over to the side of her, and it's an immemorium photo of his son, Baby Dodds.

So this is intense, but.

It was it was I thought it was baby Dodds's like fault, wasn't it not to victim blame.

But like she shouldn't have left. She shouldn't have left. She should have just pushed the woman out. She like left with one of the hostages and left him alone. And he did a bad police work because he was a young, unexperienced detective that only got the job from nepotism. So it's actually his dad's fault, Yeah, for putting him in the line of duty in a job he was not prepared for or ready for. Her he did that bad,

Yeah, So he's also he's he's very freshly grieving, so yes, yeah he should get another job.

So whiteboard colage time, the lab got a partial off the block. It's Luca'sterzik twenty six born in New York. Anna is Bosnian Coloriana whatever, I'm gonna switch it up. Anna is Bosnian national on a student visa. And we have an apartment for Luca and queens. Finn and Grease are gonna head down, but Benson's like, oh, I'm coming the fuck with you, and I need to find out why this kid had a glock. And they arrive obviously no answer at the door. Finn shoulders the door open,

It's like busy.

It's a busy precinst Rollin's and Creasy come running to Benson and Odds and they got something. A management company for the apartment building and rent on his apartment is paid by a guy named armand Saedron. So they go to a midtown office address. They're rushing over there, bulletproof vest brigade. They find him, arrest him. A hardcore he's a business suit guy. He's like, what the fuck, I'm a US citizen. I mean, this is all really fucked up to be reading as people are getting snatched off

Okay.

Creasy grabs the phone, finds Luca's you know number in their last call was yesterday at nude. The guy's starting to look concerned and this guy, if you is the father from the Street Gang and street Wise. So a huge moment for us as watchers of SVU. This less Eyeliner than his season nine episode. The moment Luca answers, he starts screaming in his native language and to me, I wrote, in all caps, I mean dumb ough to

Finn jumps on him to shut his ass up.

Cresey's begging him not to hang up, but obviously Luca is gone. They get Taru involved and he goes, I, you know, my brother's innocent, and I demand a lawyer. Crisy says, shut up. Taru finds the phone location, but the phone's just in a dumpster, screen cracked and locked. So business brother keeps being like, my brother's poor and dumb, like he wouldn't do this. I pay for I do everything because he's poor and dumb. So what do we do? Now? We gotta call Barbara. So we're in chambers. It's Judge

I say no, never, but I mean I don't know, like I'm going to talk about it a little bit in the park. Yeah, well, because yeah, I'm curious.

Okay, So judge doesn't like it, but these are unique circumstances. Of course, Barbara gets his way, but even the judge is like, okay, but the company could still fight and appeal this, but you know, I'm fine with you doing it, And that's what they're doing the manufacturers refusing to unlock because that obviously sets up a fucked up precedent, and we don't want companies giving our shit up to the government.

Okay. So anyway, so he says, try harder.

Finn interrupts the because I would I would like to be able to help stop a terrorist to sack if that's what my phone needed to do or had the information wildly but right, tough, Okay, so he says, try harder. Fit interrupts this uncomfortable energy again. The death, the death. So they got something Cariesian Avess. He says that facial recognition got a hit on traffic cam twenty minutes ago, and it's Luca and a woman that looks like on him.

He's dead.

Tons of people are getting a shot so fast. Ten of people lay down to not get If you're off duty, stay off duty, babe. Benson and like twenty cops run into the crowd. The shooters run up the stairs of something and it looks like a construction zone or something like that. Okay, so they approach Anna. She says, help me, please, but all the guns are on her. Benson has a glare of I'm disgusted with you anger. They hate her. She's like begging, shaking and nervous. Benson's face wants to soften,

Dead.

On arrival is Tom Flannery, and Flannery is familiar to Benson and he is an off duty police officer. Special Agent Dan Connelly arrives on the scene, eating time for Benson. The suspect isn't talking and all she cares about is her son, so obviously they want Benson to talk. So Anna relates to her as a mother or whatever. She's better talking to people. So we're in a new room. We're in a white wall, white bars, metal door handle vibes,

What.

Then they have to reveal to her that her aunt is dead. She is visibly upset. Her body tries to move, but her handcuffs are attached to the table. She really wants to see her son, and they're like, well, you need to give us information. You're not like gonna go, you know, see your son. So she just keeps shaking her head saying I don't know, I don't know. In walks Elizabeth Marvel aka Rita Calhoun and saves her client

That's what I wanted to I was thinking, and like, yeah, Rita's doing this pro bono, but like that's not usually Rita's thing.

Like no, sometimes with these big guys like we've seen Trevor Lake and no more, like they like to take these to make them feel like they're not evil people.

Mm hmmm. Yeah. And because the only other times she helped a victim it was her friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.

I just because Armand's in custody right or they had to let him go. Well, I don't know. I just wonder who called the anstaid. She doesn't seem like she has a big network. So do you think read A saw it on the news and went running Our lawyer's just fighting or like.

Yeah, like are they like who gets there first? Like I don't get it.

Like some associate called and was like this one seems juicy. You might like you might want this, like, you know, I don't really know. Well, all right, whatever, it's it's a mass shooting in Central Park. Like we truly don't know anybody except for the brother who's connected to a controversial mosque in Queens. But the Feds don't have him and they let him go and they're like, wait what. But he's better on the street because then we can see if we can pick up on chatter or get

So Dodds says, too late.

The DA file charges ten minutes ago, and the chief and the big guns are like, well, that's so dumb, and he goes, nope, Flannery was one of our own, and that's that.

Then he runs off, and this is grief talking.

Benson runs after him while tons of media run to get scooped from Barba. And so that's where we're out. It's a frenzy outside. He goes, we are working together. We don't know much, and we don't care about affiliations or motivations. What this woman did was murder and that's that. So we're in court, she's pleading not guilty. He wants her man. She goes no release, so Calhoun, which I think is crazy, he wants to release on her own recognisance,

And she goes because Anna is a victim.

She was raped and tortured for hours before the homice side by her fiance and his brother. She was present, but she was not there under her own free will, and if she didn't cooperate, she herself would have been murdered. And we got that energy from her. She wasn't like happy to be there, right right right. Barbara and Benson are walking and talking. Barbara thinks it's bullshit. Benson doesn't think Rita would make this up. Cariese comes running up

So she came to the US six years ago. She wanted to be a nurse. And this is.

Again why we have to treat people that are like whatever on visas or freshly here, Like everyone needs to feel safe to get help because I don't yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm just thinking about like coming here, your being abuse. She wanted to be a nurse. She lived with her aunt and queens. Then she met Luca and he was nice and he took her out to eat and clubs. She fell in love. But then everything changed. He changed. She was angry all the time. He hated everyone,

So fun, But I wonder what was Luca just abusive all along? You know what I mean? Like, what the fuck?

Yeah, well, she never told anyone was too afraid, and they threatened to kill her and take away her son and she would die a whore because they have video and they're gonna make it look like she was having fun and send it to all her family. She said the last assault was too boring because ago and it was still dark out. She remembers hearing the garbage trucks and that's what she focused on, the sound of the trucks.

This is out of pocket.

Like you don't fucking say that you don't like dog Come on.

Also, yeah, he's been wanting to say it all episode.

I've been you know, at this point, you still hate Dodds like you've always hated Daddy Dodds like I have, like I've like I hated Daddy Dodds so much. He does soften up towards the end, right before he leaves, and it's like you want to have empathy for him and have like you're like, oh, this is when I'm gonna start liking Daddy Dodds because now he's grieving.

But he's even more of a dick in his grief. He's such a dick. But I'm on his side wildly.

All that matters is that this cop died, and like, we're not investigating the thing that this unit investigates.

Though you're on his side, I'm on.

His side in terms of like Benson, fuck off, you were there, like you were lieutenant and you know.

But it's probably.

Because he feels so guilty that he knows deep down it's like not her fault. I just feel he's acting out. I'm not on his side. I think they should investigate the rain. I think Benson's right about everything, but I get his anim I'm like, okay with his attitude, I guess, but I overall, I think, well, we should actually do a bracket. Maybe, I mean, March madness is over, but

Yeah, to act holier than now and know that you've got a fucking flash drive of child porn taped underneath your desk, like you're psychotic?

Yeah, yeah, whatever, A lot of a lot of stairs God's stammers. He leaves Benson stunned. Barbara goes, he didn't mean it, and Benson goes, oh he did, and he is it wrong? And Barbara goes, don't do that, and she goes. She goes, I know we all want someone to pay for what happened. I'm just not sure that person was Ona. He thinks that she is just as guilty as Luca. I want to know the ballistics, like what bullets went anywhere? Like it was like I didn't

He says, fine, you're right. I did have sex with her a few times.

Benson goes sit down, and he's like, she's a whore, and Benson goes, that's not a nice word. And he goes, she's not a nice woman. She's a manipulator and a user. She came here and ruined my brother's life and turned him into a killer and a radical. So he's like denying everything, and then they realize that he's wearing the fucking belt that they abused her with.

So they're like, they're like, you fool, you're wearing the belt.

And he has nothing to say because he is, and he says, I want a lawyer. So Benson goes, okay, but you're going down with or without a lawyer, And he goes, okay, she's a terrorist who cares and a tramp.

The ladies leave him.

He's pouting, and so now her emotions court is the rape relevant, is it not? We got Barba versus Calhoun? It's a lot. Benson's on the stand trying to convince the judge. Barbara is like, so fucking annoyed. Benson's on the stand and she's convinced that Anna is a victim of a brutal and painful sexual assault. Dodds Now is in the office and it's a bustling precinct and when Benson walks in, he rushes at her, are you a

Barbara walks in.

Benson goes, oh great, you want to fight too, and he goes, listen, your ambission is stupid, self centered idea, realistic, even if admirable, And she says, rape is rape. We don't get to invent our victims or our purpse. And we hear evidence, we investigate. Unless you're a Muslim woman, of course, So let's get patriotic and move on.

Huh.

And Barbara goes, listen, the judge ruled in our favor, and she goes, your favor, not our favor, and he goes either way, the rape isn't going into this case, and he's like, and I keep telling you, this case is different. So she's left alone at her desk to ponder. Benson finds Calhoun on the street, who's acting really breezy for this kind of serious trial, bright blue suit, like really fun. Bence goes, look, it's over. You're not going to win. This case is important to too many people.

Rita goes, we'll accept it on two conditions.

One, at sentencing you'll advocate twenty to life and advocate for parole to be on the table. He nods, yes, I think that's fair. Two, you'll agree to use your best efforts to prosecute Armand for rape. He says, well, I can't do that. She goes, wait on the record, but off the record, you could like nod and so he nods. She but why can't whatever? So she says, I don't want my son to be raised by that man. As Barbara gets up to leave, he will ruin him

She is a rape victim.

And Anna drops her head really low, and Barbara says, listen, I'm gonna try my best. So Benson runs into Barbara's office pissed as fuck. What do you mean there's not enough evidence? And he goes, okay, hello in a smug tone, and Benson interrupts. She goes, the evidence is overwhelming. We have his semen, we have tearing, we have bruising, we have testimony. Benson goes, you said you would try your best,

Would that be enough? And he goes, are you being sarcastic?

And she goes, no, they used to record the brutality, and it was a way of maintaining control. The problem is dot dot dot. Barbara realizes it's on the locked phone. So we're back at Supreme Court. We got Barbara pleading to get into the phone. Barbara's gonnahead, you know, go heads ahead with these big companies. It's legal time, you know, court happens, it's it's the normal fight.

It would ruin security.

Barbara's at the office quick and Benson goes, we won, but they appealed within seconds, so we're back to square one for a while. Barbara does not think that DA would support doing this right now, and she does finally get it. They talk about mass shootings, but Anna deserves justice for what happened to her and she just wants her kids to be safe. Benson wants to arrest him and that's that, and they all have their vests and

I think that's the I think that's the implication.

Okay, our squad stairs, we're at a Metro it's in correctional center and Anna get some time with her son. Benson's watching in the corner. She says, you don't have to worry about Armen anymore. They contacted her sister. She's on her way to New York right now, and he's gonna go live with her in Bosnia. Anna is so relieved, Thanks Benson, but it's also time to say goodbye. It's really emotional.

They hug. The boy cries.

Benson his back at the park with Noah kissing baby Noah and Tucker meets them at the park. She has white nail polish, love it. She's so happy even though the week was tough and hard, and she starts to cry. He goes, why are you crying? And she's scared it won't last and she's right, and Tucker says that's not true. He's a liar and not if I can help it, you can't, and he brushes her hair and they go for a walk with Noah in the park and that's dick wolf baby.

It's so cute. I like them walking as a family.

I just don't get I guess it's hard to say whether she was fully part of the terror attack, and maybe now she's just playing victim, like we can't know if she's acting or not, but like it seems to me from what's portrayed in the episode that she's just been like literally abused and beaten down for years, has nowhere to go, is worried if she tells anyone.

What did they want her to do? They wanted her to go to authorities.

I'm sure she doesn't trust authorities and thinks she'd be deported and that if he finds out, he'll kill her. Or kill her son, So like, how could she have stopped anything from happening? Like she was literally a hostile. I think of her as like a hostage.

Yeah, I agree, you know, so I think she was not from Bosnian, was white, it would be different.

Yeah, twenty to life for being like a hostage, like mentally beaten down, and like if she pulled.

The trigger, yeah, I don't know, but I felt like they didn't say that she did. I don't know.

Maybe I was not watching closely enough. I didn't think I saw her shoot any guns. But if she did, then obviously yes, if you're responsible for taking people's lives.

But I thought she was just like standing there scared. And it's a good episode, I'll tell you that much. And I want to know you had a lot of work to do. I feel a lot of crimes.

Well yeah, there were a lot of crimes, but I focused on one. Why was the back Why was the gun in the kid's back back? You think the kid just grabbed it?

This is yeah.

You think the kid was like, I'm just gonna grab one of daddy's guns on my way out, Like I don't Yeah, anyway, I would have thought that.

Do you think that the ant put it in for some reason, like she knew what was happening.

Hold this little guy, I don't want to walk through New York with this am was a part of it.

What if they are actually all part of this thing and that was all a fake thing and she was.

Going to join them in the park.

Yeah yeah, well, but I think they loved the boy.

I don't think they would have like left the boy for I don't know. I find it hard to believe that this. I don't know. Maybe I don't that the bad.

Guy would have like wanted to like take on a four year old by himself, but probably just to like radicalize them and turn him into like a MINII.

But this case, that's like a TikTok thing that I see where it's like men that never were involved with their kids suddenly want half customer full custody.

Yeah, like you didn't even do that when they were when you were together. Yeah.

Do you ever see that girl who calls guys and tells them about their child's aport payments?

Of course?

Honey, yeah, yeah, yeah, what I'm chronically online and I'm not going to see her.

She's fun to watch, she's fun to watch, So.

They mentioned in this episode tons of different stuff September eleventh, like riots in Argentina, the Utopia night club fire bombings in Madrid, all kinds of like.

Sam Bernardino. That's what I thought of.

Well, I mentioned, well, I thought of Sam Bernardino, and I'm going to talk about it briefly. But it is kind of more based in a way on the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando. So this episode obviously is linked to the mass murder at Pulse Again nightclub in Orlando that was committed by Omar Matin on June twel in

He was known as a bully.

In high school, he praised the nine to eleven terrorists and claimed that Bin Lauden was his uncle. By the time he graduated this sort of like special high school that he went to for children with behavioral problems, he'd been suspended for forty eight days for various incidents involving him fighting and hurting other students. So troubled from the get go, I think his dad seems like a crazy person. His dad tried to like run for office in Afghanistan or something like that, and was seemed nuts.

Like.

There was also a report that his dad slapped him across the face in front of like everybody at school one time. So Omar Matin meets his second wife very quickly after his divorce in twenty eleven.

Her name is nor Zahi Salmon.

On a online dating app called Arab Lounge, and even though she wasn't religious and he was you could say unhealthily religious, she was obsessed with him.

She was like, this guy is the whole thing. This is what I want.

They married quickly the same year, and then Selman said that six months into their marriage, Mattine became physically and verbally abusive. So like the beginning, he's like this nice guy. She thinks everything's great, she thinks he's perfect, and then six months in he starts being horrible. He would call her a whore in Arabic if she did anything he didn't like in public. He pulled her hair, punched her

And he never ever apologized.

For anything whenever he would hurt her, Like it wasn't like the cycle of like, oh, I'm sorry and then.

Come back like he just was like fully abusing her.

He taunted her being like you can't leave me because I'll get our son, which is a little bit like I think in the episode, and like there's no proof that I abused you, so I'll get him, you know, And then you have no money, you have no job, like I support you guys, so like I'm going to get our son. So In the weeks leading up to the attack, though Salman said things had improved. Mattine had gotten into a police training program, of course, and had

He remember it because I remember when it happened, I remember all the talks about it. I remember being sad about it, But then I also remember watching the queens on Drag Race talk about it and be connected to it, and there was Orlando queens people were there. One like I forgot one queen was supposed to perform that night but didn't, and that friend got.

I mean, it's just like and especially.

You know, I think about the gay community and how much of that is like chosen family and like right down in other places and being able to be in this like safe space.

It's just like really sad. It's so sad.

I mean.

There were also rumors, I think he gets substantiated that he had actually gone to Pulse a couple times and he would drink there and he would get really drunk sometimes and start yelling or whatever, but he would just go there sometimes and sit quietly and drink. Like he wasn't going in there ranting and being like you know, you guys are sinners or anything. That means he would drive two hours to go do that.

So was he planning all this time or he was closeted, you know, and like, well that's that thing.

There was a lot of rumor that he was closeted, but apparently like none of that is substantiated. Like there's rumors that he had gay apps on his phone that was like ending up being cleared by the FBI. There was rumors that he had some guy came forward and said, oh, yeah, we hooked up, but that was never confirmed. Like it just was like it was never confirmed the whole rumor

But again it's like the police thought.

A lot of what the wife was saying was truthful as well, So we'll.

Get to some of that.

But he killed ended up killing forty nine people and seriously injuring fifty three. And the night of the attack, his wife, Selmon, wrote a Father's Day card to him, which you can see online. It's wild. It's like from their son, It's like, daddy, I love you so much. And then she went to sleep and then at four am she gets a call from her husband's mother looking

The FBI cleared him.

So a year before the attack, in April twenty fifteen, matteen took someone and their son to Disney World, and they thought authorities thought that he might have been scouting the location as a target and may have even dropped hints to his wife about his plan, but her lawyers would not allow her to talk about what he said to her at Disney. So she had also gone with her husband to buy ammunition at Walmart, but she didn't

But when they were.

Interviewing her, she allegedly made a lot of misleading statements to the FBI, but her lawyers argued that the police interrogated her for eleven hours, and so she eventually just initialed on the dotted line, like went along with their narrative because they had exhausted her with their interrogation techniques.

So six months.

After the massacre, now it's January of twenty seventeen, she is arrested and charged with obstruction of justice and with aiding and abetting Mateen's attempted provision and provision of materials support to ISIS so on. But on March thirtieth of twenty eighteen, so almost over a year later, and Orlando Jerry finds her not guilty as the prosecution had not met its burden of proof.

They had no evidence that she was involved.

So it's kind of like it's a little bit of San Bernardino mixed with this where because she wasn't at the actual attack, she was cleared, but because this guy dragged in the episode, this guy dragged his wife along, she's completely implicated now. So that's that another reference is obviously, as we talked about Sam Bernardino, that actually took place six months earlier. That's why SVU is making an episode about this, Like these attacks were coming bump up up uppa,

They go to the regional center to work with people.

Like this is a place where like people are being helped, you know what I mean. Like it's almost it's like it's like you're not shooting up a congressman's office. You're not going somewhere where like the things are being or even a church where like you disagree with the religion, Like you're going to these places where like people are getting help or people are finding family and enjoy, you know, like like pulse.

It's like so that the you know, can we ever get their motivation for this.

The lamb Reginoa.

Honestly like why, that's why they're He worked for the He worked for the Department of Health, so I think he kind of just like did like a work shooting. He worked like he was like a health inspector while and like everybody described him as like a nice guy. Like I don't know what he was doing with his

So they busted in.

They killed fourteen people, they seriously injured twenty two more. They fled the scene and were eventually killed in a shootout with police.

Faruk was an American born citizen.

Malik was a Pakistani born a Green card holder, so similar to the couple in the episode where you Know one's American born, one is you know from an immigrant from another country. The couple destroyed their personal phones, but the FBI was able to find Faruk's work phone because he worked for the Department of Health. It's like a government phone, and they found his Apple iPhone five C.

Wow, doesn't that feel like so many versions ago?

However, they could not unlock the four digit password, and all the day would automatically delete after ten failed password attempts, which I could never have on my phone because my kids are always trying to get into it, and I would just have all my data deleted every week. But the FBI, in this famous you know, FBI versus Apple situation, they wanted Apple to create and electronically sign new software that would enable the FBI to unlock the phone.

So in twenty fifteen and.

Twenty sixteen, Apple received and objected to or challenged at least eleven orders issued by US district courts under the All Rits Act of seventy eight of seventeen eighty nine, which Barbara does mention in the.

Episode I believe all has it reminded me of a cracker?

Yes, I thought it was Rits too, but it's all different word Ritz Wriits Act of seventeen eighty nine, which empowers federal courts to issue quote all writs necessary or appropriate in aid of their respective jurisdictions and agreeable to

My thing is, it's like I don't want the government to have control over that. But I don't want a company to you know, if fucking musk locking and unlocking shit and doing whatever you want.

To do anything want? Yeah, what do we do?

I don't want anyone to have access to anything? But they have, yeah, both, and they could truly decide. Like if the company said fine, we'll do it, that would.

Have been it. Yeah yeah, and like what we would all stop using iPhones? No?

No, Well, and the orders basically made Apple write this new software that would let the government bypass these devices security and unlock the phones. But like just in this case, or does now the government have that software like and they can just put it on any phone they want. That's I think maybe was some of the issue as well.

What's the call, Like, if you're willing to give up liberty for or freedoms for security, you'll have neither yeah, has that Ben Franklin, Who is that?

I don't know, I just make it up. It's Lee's a trigger to me. I don't know. No, that's definitely not it.

I feel like an obnoxious boy in school said that once and it's so.

And he is one of Elon Musk's teens.

Now, well that's isn't that the whole thing of Handmaiden's Tale where they convinced you like, oh, we just need to pause the Constitution.

That's like the trailer.

Now we didn't think it'd be forever, but it's like, if you're willing to give up liberty or freedom for security, you'll end up with none of it.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

But if someone's being abused, like yeah, get in there, it's like so tough, it's so tough.

Yes, my rules are tough. Yeah.

Yeah. Because you'd think that they could do it like case by case basis, like sure, we'll break this phone if it's like to like someone with plans to hijack a plane or do something crazy, you know, But in this case it was like they were trying to find Old it was his work phone and he was dead.

And in this case.

When the order compelled Apple to do it, Apple declined to create the software, and then a hearing was scheduled. However, a day before the hearing was supposed to happen, the government obtained a delay, saying it had found a third party able to assist in unlocking the phone. I don't know if that's like, but they found like a hacker, like I don't know. And then the government claimed that the FBI had unlocked the iPhone and withdrew its requests. So the whole thing kind of like went away.

I have no idea about. The La Times reported that quote.

The FBI eventually found that Fruke's phone had information only about work and he and it revealed nothing about the plot end quote.

So that's what the La Times reported. So and it's what my quote is.

And you get nothing, you give up your you know, you let them whirl around.

They're not finding anything. Yeah, got nothing, yeah yeah, yeah, I mean this.

They were also talking about how they this episode was based on like the Sarna Brothers from but from uh, the Boston Marathon and other guys that have killed people in terrorist attacks in the name of ISIS and stuff like that. But I didn't really feel like it was necessary to just like, uh, you know, tell you take you guys through twenty terrorist attacks. I feel like these two and the iPhone and the apple thing are like the most drawn from the episode, so that that's that.

So yeah, I was just exciting to have a woman involved, you know.

Yeah, yeah, So.

I will add this one other thing, sayed Farouk's mother actually pled guilt to a federal criminal charge of intending to impede a federal criminal investigation because she shredded a map that her son had made in connection with the attack.

So she did plead guilty. And uh, I'm truf mo.

Yeah, very boy, mom, hide everything.

But yeah, it's like it's fucking it's dark. It's dark.

But I also remember these being such a big deal, and now it's like, you know, we're almost a decade later, and well we're so used to these in a really sick way.

I know.

But it's also like now I think, well, they're being treated different, and we're doing it so much for ourselves. Like mass shootings are now not in the name of anything religious, they're just like men doing it, you know, so well it is really I think it's it's it's if it's not a religion, it's a dog, right, or it's something you're doing it for, you know, they in cell vibes or for Trump, whatever it is, or race like, it's whatever. How many of them are just I'm going

Oh yeah, of old days what I was thinking of, not Parkland. It's hard we get them confused.

There have been so many monumental mass shootings in our lifetimes.

But but I like that the mom was charged.

And I believe in parents being taken in when they're yeah, kids betting guns to score do anything. I think parents should be fully held responsible.

M hmmm.

So the mother of the shooter, also just to follow up, was sentenced to six months of home confinement and three years of probation for shredding the document and she was fined fifty five hundred dollars. It's pretty chill, to be honest, that was pretty chill. Maybe she shredded a map after it was done. It's kind of a kin to just destroying evidence, like it wouldn't have saved anybody, you know. Now, it's just destroying evidence after the fact.

So I don't know.

But let's get to our interview, because we actually have a great interview that's gonna cleanse your palette right up.

Okay.

Our guest today is an actor who you might know from films like The Final Cut Tape or The Laura dern Led The Tale. He's also been all over the Jick Wolf universe with roles in FBI, FBI International, in Chicago, med but you know him today as the terrorist brother in law from hell armand Sidron. Please enjoy our really lovely chat with Tarrek Bshara.

Hi, so nice to meet you.

Pleasure Pleasures on mine. How's it going?

Hye? All right?

Oh my god, are you terrorized? Are you terrorized?

Or oh my god?

I have this screen light paused on like you and Marushka Hargeta like like in each other's faces right now.

So this is like perfect I was watching it earlier.

Is like an angel on herth we don't deserve her.

Yeah, and then you've been picked to play like two pretty bad guys in two different episodes. I mean, we're gonna talk about Terrorized, but we're obviously gonna need to talk about street Wise a little bit as well, if you're okay with that, because that's a huge episode Wise.

Yeah, you had you had huge stunts. I mean, I don't even know where to start. That was like an insane episode.

I actually broke I broke a finger on that episode.

On street Wise, I believe. I mean that was you running for that truck and everything and jumping.

On it exactly, and they asked me to They asked for me to use the stunt double and I'm like, no, come on, I can do this, And then of course when you're actually doing it, it's like what am I thinking?

How essential was the finger? I mean was it one of the ones that we use a lot or like yeah, okay, they.

Just taped it up and we kept going.

Yeah. Actually, me and Chris Maloney had a fight scene after that that we did after I broke my finger and they're like, do you want to stop? And I'm like, absolutely not, Let's go yeah.

With a chain. Yeah, you had a lot of action. How many takes? Were you tired running? Were you ready?

So here's the here's the interesting thing.

I actually sat down with christ in between takes at a certain point and I was like, how do you do this like six days a week for years on end?

And he was really smart.

His answer was really smart, He goes it took he said, it took him about a year for his body to get used to that amount, that volume of work, the lines, the action, all those things. It took him a year to really his body to acclimate to that because they work so hard, those guys. I mean, it's like, ah, it's really, it's really it's a really endurance game. I think at a certain.

Point, yeah, for sure.

And then iced teasing advice is always don't stand if you can sit down, don't sit down if you can lie down. So you know, and if you watch this show you see it in an action, you see a leaning, it's like an amazingly and you also for street Wise, there was eyeliner, there was dirt, there was a lot of fashion.

There was like chain belts. Do you remember the process.

Tattoo?

Yeah? Yeah, you know, as actors, we love all this stuff. But my friends refer to that episode as the eyeliner episode. Yeah, I'm like, it's fun. I mean, you know, you get to do things as characters like that that you you know, most people normally I don't do and except for Halloween maybe and stuff like that. But all that stuff was so fun because it gives you half the performance. You know, those touches, the costumes and all those kinds of things,

Well, it's also wild that you were like just like such an agro person living on the streets but made sure to have your eyeliner.

That was a priority for you and your family.

Yeah, You're out there killing kids and then being like, let me just make sure I've got a smoky cat eye.

Both of those characters are so effing evil. It's like no, but you know, you know, Jonathan Strauss, the casting director is like, he's a friend, a friend, he's become a friend. I met him when he was an assistant at Todd Dayler's office, and he was so generously put me in both of these shows. I've actually done I think five Dick Wolf shows at this point, and.

He knows me really well.

You I'm the opposite of both of those characters. But as an actor, I really like exploring the shadow side like that because it's like this safe space where you can go lose it and then it's caught and it's like all right, let's go have dinner.

Oh y, yeah, because you lose it in the courtroom too.

Yeah.

In that episode, you really have gotten all the Bingo cards and you got to like, I mean yeah, going in between episodes because you also that arrests and Terrorized is like a lot of action and flipping out too.

Yeah, that's really fun.

Yeah, and a lot of that's on the Bengo card too.

Is like you have to get within inch within kissing distance really of one of the stars, and Marishka is like really in your face in this one, you know.

Yeah, so Mariska.

So that was that episode and then the first one with Maloney, he also is like right here. Yeah, yeah, he's a close talker, but he but he was really smart with me. You know, both of them are so seasoned that when guest actors come on, at least my experience of them is like they kind of really in a way take them under the wing a little bit.

It was great.

Yeah.

Yeah, I thought he could out run Stabler. He thought he could choke him with a chain. He was really trying to get him.

Well, you seem like you're you have a lot of fun playing these two really evil guys. Is there any kind of like what's your process or is it as relaxed as how we're talking about it or does it like take you know, do you have to get get evil?

So I usually to get into that particular space is finding something that I would fight for. So it's almost like the opposite. It's not like i'd imagine like wanting to directly hurt someone. It's getting to the place of like what am I true, what would I life and death situation fight for? And then apply that feeling and emotion to my imagination of what the character circumstance. So I'm not like acting outside the circumstance. I'm in the circumstance.

All right, and then do you have any like tidbits stories that our listeners would like.

The inside scoop.

Hmmm, what's the inside scoop? I will say that.

I will say a couple of things.

I mean, you know, when we shot Terrorized, that the moment when they take me out in handcuffs at kind of towards the end of the episode and I kind of lean in towards Mariska. That scene was really interesting because we shot it on the street, and everyone in New York knows who Mariska.

Everyone in the world knows.

Who she is. But on the street, people would stop and kind of like form a circle behind the camera, and people would really kind of be like like Mariska Mariska. And what I loved is that she was so generous with everybody. She always was acknowledging, always talking to people, just treating peo people with respect. So, I mean, I don't know if that's juicy tidbit, but that's that's.

The experience I had with her.

Yeah, yeah, you know, I wanted to tell you interestingly, So I wasn't supposed to do Terrorized. I wasn't supposed to actually get that. What happened was is that I auditioned for the first one with May Whitman, and I think that they had an actor already in for Terrorized that didn't work out for some reason or another, I

I'm like, gosh, this guy is a nightmare. This is going to be let's go.

That's awesome. Well I was.

I was obviously like googling you, and I found a bunch of articles where you're talking about how like when you first started out as an actor, you're you went under a different name, right, You went under Tom Bishops, And that's what when you did this role, you were under or at least street Wise And I think even for this one, you hadn't changed yet back to your

Well, you mean to Tom Bishops Yeah, So here's the deal. Like, you know, my my family are Arabs, were I'm Arab American, first generation born in Brooklyn, and you know, I had just started acting professionally post nine to eleven and at you know, every role after that for any Arab acter was a terrorist role or a horrible, horrible human being that was one dimensional, and I just didn't want to play that. I just felt like I was capable of

I was told that it's not going to be the best move.

You're already kind of you know, semi established in this you have press and this and then whatever. And I was like, yeah, but I just have to do this. So I changed it back to Tarak Bishara. I didn't work for like a year and a half after that, and I wasn't sure whether it was like people were catching up with the fact that Tom Bishops is now my assistant and now I'm Tarak Pishara because I still have Tom Bishop's emails. I do that as like, you know, send it to Tom Bishops.

Pretty funny. But eventually, you know, all sorts.

Out and and uh, I think it was the better decision to change it back. And I don't regret anything. I mean, it was a learning process. I was young, you know, you learn a lot in the game perspective, and.

So yeah, no, it's totally understandable, especially like at the time period that you were entering the acting world.

For sure, you know, how did you come up with the name.

Okay so here? So here's what It's really funny. So mind you, back in the day, Tom Cruise was like my I mean, I still think he's really talented, but he was like my absolute idol. Back in the day. I was like this guy, how do you do all this? So that was like, all right, Tom, I was going to do tom Bishar and tom Bishar was taken. So then I changed it to thhom Bishara.

That was taken, and so.

Then then I was like, all right, we're going full bishops. So it was thho on bishops this evolution. I signed up with SEG and that was the end of it.

Is it still your sad Carter?

Now?

They?

No?

No, I switched everything everything.

And now it's like Google knows you can look up both names and it's always you like both pop up, you know, like it's like Google knows someone's changed their name.

Was it weird? Do people call you Tom that met you during that time?

Yeah? And it's really funny because I still have some friends that I don't see very often and they're like hey Tom, and I'm like I kind of like who, Like I almost forget sometimes and then they're like, oh my god, Tark and I'm like, yeah, it's all good. I get it. I mean, you know, it was for that period of time. I would coach my friends when we go out in LA and stuff, and I'd be like, remember Tom, not Tark. And then I look back on that,

You know, yeah, no, I think it's I think it's totally understandable.

But I also think it's cool that you change back. You're like, now you know this is me.

I think also, you know, part of representing is really important to me. And and you know, you know, we're all complex, layered human beings, and I think that that should be represented on screen, you know, across the board. You know, you know, no matter what culture you come from, there's going to be fantastic, incredible, wonderful people and some weirdo marginal characters that that really kind of end up making it into the zeitgeist on film and TV more

Right.

Well, and now we've had so many like there's just there was like kind of a golden age of like bad good people, you know, like Walter White, Nurse Jackie, like all these people that are you know, everyone contains multitudes.

Absolutely.

Well, I want to know about your time with Laura Dern on the set of Tale.

An incredible, incredible actress.

So that film was produced by a couple of friends of mine, Laura and Rain Moherman and Lauren Singuly. And you know, it was a really intense story Jennifer Fox. It's her actually real life story, the director's story and writer. And so I came in an audition like everybody else, and they ended up giving me a part playing someone that.

Helped Laura find the truth about what really happened.

And I remember one day when we were shooting, Laura has this really interesting thing where we start the conversation before they yell action.

I really love that and I still use that to this day.

So it's you know, we were The stuff we did together was extremely conversational, intimate conversations, and so we would start the conversation about you know, a minute before they yelled action or thirty seconds whatever it was, and so that way, when they yieled action, we were mid conversation,

How are they doing that?

You know, Like I'm always so curious to how they get there and how they maintain the emotion overtakes over scenes, how they maintain emotional arcs and anyway I'm talking, Oh, well I like that.

You're always looking for lessons. I'm into that.

Well, any it doesn't matter from who they came from, any any that have like stuck with you for a long time.

It seems like you carry a lot.

But well, I will tell you one lesson that was great. It was a Robin lesson that was my first feature, is called The Final Cut. And you know, I was like twenty four years old and extremely green, and I got I think I got pretty lucky. I mean I really do. And so I got to set and well two things. One, Robin knew everyone on the sets name on the second day, Like I'm talking every grip, every pa,

So the respect he had for that for the crew was something I really I really learned. The other thing was.

You know, Robin was such a genius that we will our film was a drama, and so he would between takes start doing Gollum. That's when Lord of the Rings was like. So he would do Gollum from Lord of the Rings as an actor and entertain the entire set. And so there was certain points where I would just kind of sit there and be entertained and be like, I can't believe Robin Williams is like basically doing a set for us on set right now.

And then the director would be like, okay, guys, let's go.

And then I'd be like, wait a minute, I'm not ready, and he would just snap into character in two seconds and.

I'm like, what on earth is going on? How did they do that?

And years over years I learned and I asked him about this, is that he keeps the character at a simmer of about seventy percent no matter what he's doing on the outside, he still has the character kind of like going. And so when he's done with whatever he's doing between between setups, he can just fire it right back up, and that's obviously skilled. That's obviously experience and a kind of relaxed actor, you know, where you can just kind of have availability to all that kind of stuff.

A light simmer. I want to see this movie.

Yeah, I think it's really good.

I really do. I just wish I had the shot to do the same work. Now, you know, years and years later, you've learned so much that you're like, I couldn't have had a monologue with Robin Williams, like now, like I wish, I wish you could do it now, you know. But but anyway, you know, you learn your lessons and you move on.

It's also just amazing that you got to work with someone like that.

You know, a religion utter disbelief, utterelief.

It comes early on. That's so that is great.

My dad was like, you know, back in those days, he's like, you know, I had gone to NYU, I major in economics, and then I'm like I'm going to become an actor, see you, you know, and they're like, wait, what you know? So I got that role six months after landing in LA with no agent and no manager and it was through. So that was I mean, it

I'm like, okay, great.

So I had to do a movie with like one of the biggest stars and legends of all time for you to get it.

Okay, good thing, good thing, you got it.

Your parents would still today be like what's happening and go back into econ.

Yes, very much, so very much.

Are you still is economics still a passion of yours?

No, the economy, it's absolutely, But I mean these days you kind of have to be a little bit of an expert or else you lose your shirt. But no, So what I do now, kind of on the side for fun, which I'm really passionate about, is I ghost write my mother's cookbooks. Oh yeah, she's got a restaurant in Brooklyn, her and my sister.

That's like what restaurant.

It's called Tannerine's Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. So it's like Michelin and James Beard. No, she just cooked with Daniel Boulay the other night. Oh my god, for Jacques pa Pen's ninetieth birthday. So we have three cookbooks that I kind of go through. I didn't kind of. I go short all three of them with her. And you never want to know how much I know about pomegranates and chickpeas.

I mean the amount I had to do research.

Was nuts Tannerine Middle Eastern food. Wow.

Yeah, yeah, cool.

That's great. You're ghostwriting the that's great.

Amazing to stay in some kind of creativity.

Yeah, of course, I'm on the reservation page right now.

No, I'm looking at a picture. I'm looking at a picture of your mom and your sister.

There's so cute, those the pomegranate seed photos, so vibrant.

Wow, this is cool. Okay, okay.

For our listeners, if you live somewhere else in the country, Tannerine ships on gold Belly, you can get this set to yourselves wherever you live.

Yeah, oh god, I want these dips.

Yeah, they're good, they're good.

They're I like how you're both like looking up the page and we're like fully in a commercial now for the restaurant.

We're like forgot about the acting. I'm ordering, well, it's exciting, you know. I'm glad to.

Show Romi at the restaurant and yeah, and then they almost filmed FBI there or did they I think maybe maybe not, but they've got they filmed a couple of TV shows there, which I'm like, this is ironic. It's just weird.

Yeah, you're like Rommy, you call me.

Yeah, such a good guy.

He is.

He is. We know him through stand up and stuff. I love him. Yeah, but I did right here.

The Emoji movie, which you're in is one of my go to sleep movies.

I do put that on something.

It's one of my uh it's one of the you've played.

You voiced two different emojis.

Yes, I did.

You guys did your homework for a while. I'm impressed.

Yeah, And you know, the funnest part about the Emoji movie was doing it really fun and then also the amount of parents that would approach, what would find out I don't know, Like people would tell people when the movie came out or whatever, and they would request me to like tape WhatsApp voice notes for their kids. And so I would go on like a rotation of like five six a day and just do the voices and then just send it off to send it off to people and their kids.

It's fun, like what's up, it's me fist bomp like that kind of thing. That's so cute.

Yeah, is there something you'd like to tell our audience about? You have that movie coming out?

So I have a couple of things. So yeah, So hello beautiful.

We just won the Golden Palm at the Beverly Hills Film Festival. It just happened their twenty fifth anniversary run like the best movie of the festival, which is great.

Yeah, and they're gonna be figuring out the festival run for that and distribution.

And then I have another film that's premiering in lu this week that I did last year. That's executive produced by Doug Lyman, who directed you know, Mister and Missus Smith.

So cool, awesome, Yeah, thanks, all right, Yeah, well.

Everybody will go get everyone down to those movies and buying that cookbook and go to Tannerine and order it on gold Belly.

Thank you, Thank you so much for talking to us.

Thank you for having me, thank you for having much.

So having all like remembering all the stories and having all the scoop.

So thank you.

This is a really wonderful time. You guys took me back to back to down memory shows.

That was huge. That was huge for us.

I love he what a sweet guy and also like a cool I love I liked hearing the trajectory of the name change, Like I totally understand why he changed his name, and I love that he changed it back when he felt like he could. You know, this episode is fucking nuts. I mean, I don't even know if there's like a I don't know if there's like a full It just it makes me sad that like we.

I don't know.

I guess the show leaves it ambiguous about how much this woman actually had to do with anything, But to me, she was in a horribly abusive relationship and had no say over anything in her life. And so it's just like so sad to me when we don't like take trauma or anybody's like experience into account and she's just like never gonna see her kid again, this woman who's not real but.

You know what I mean, jail for life, I mean, yeah.

Yeah, And I mean the woman in the real case didn't get any jail time because I don't think she really did have anything to do with it.

But she seemed like she was.

In an abusive relationship as well, you know, like she didn't probably have like a great way out or maybe she was trying to get a way out. She went to go visit her family right before this happened. But yeah, it's just it's tough. It's tough stuff the.

Women criminals, like it's easier for men not to think about their children.

Yeah, yeah, and I also from somebody who is from a family where I feel my mother is very heavily politically influenced by my father. I do think it's possible sometimes that men just like wear their partners down and are like getting like, let's do this together or but it's also I'm a feminist.

Women can think for themselves.

Maybe like the women, the woman in the San Bernardino terrorist attack was like, this is what I believe, let's go kill all these people. And maybe she was like as intuit as him, you know, who knows. I definitely lean towards the side of men as the mastermind and these kind of things. And then that's, uh, that's my mis injury showing, you know.

But I don't know.

I just.

I also, Benson, don't bring Noah to a call. It doesn't matter that it's at a playground. Let's get Lucy. We've got Lucy on call twenty four to seven.

I know, but you wouldn't have thought, but it was gonna be five year old, I know, so crazy, so crazy.

Oh I did, I did just have an audition. This is for to be a bailiff.

Oh so I had, you know, I have a lot of docket number seven.

Not for us you but a baylif for something. I'd be like, put your phones in the bag. Yeah, you got to get not speak to anyone.

Need that.

Yeah, I would love. I would.

I would love to bridge the gap between my comedy and crime life.

Yeah, I mean this podcast is that.

But and showing up to Luigi's trial, if you ever get to, is also that.

You know, it's like they're purposely doing it. When I'm on the road, it's the lect I would.

Say that his criminal trial is not conducive to a road comedian.

It's not. It's just not. No, they didn't think about that, and it's fucked up.

But because even when it and then the Wednesday date that I was finally excited to go, you know, they postponed. But my letter is not being returned. So I wonder if he got it or if it's just in a pile something like. I just wonder. But his birthday's coming up. I gotta send them something. Yeah, No, a sheet of paper that says happy Bertha.

Because you can't draw, Yeah, no drawing. Can you do different fonts? If you type, that's a great question. Can you do can you do color inch or does it have to be black ink no black or blue? Black black, okay, black or blue, no colors. I mean, maybe he didn't enjoy a little comic Sam's I don't know, something.

To lighten up his mood. I don't know, just wonder I was doing in there. Yeah, it's also sad. It's crazy.

But I also, you know, the more we talk about jail and you know, this case and the episode, I you know, it's tough not to think about all the people that are being held without due process right now and all the Americans that are so easily okay with it. Like that's that's what I think is. I knew what happened, but that's been kind of the most shocking of people being like, well, I mean, what is the first Amendment?

You know?

Right?

Well, he actually is a bad guy, So, like, you know, it's so crazy how quickly people are okay giving up their rights because they think it might not be them or something.

I don't know.

It's it's wild to see can't trust anyone. When I was in Florida, my aunt Grace, who you've met. You've met a lot of my aunts and uncles that live in Florida. They she had a big dinner for everybody so we could they could see us and whatever. And actually, my aunt Julie came down, who I never see, and she was a judge clerk, a clerk for a judge for like her entire career.

Wow.

And all of my mom's siblings are pretty right left leaning, like, and my mom is like a full right like not like Maga, but they vote for Trump. And so we're at dinner and my Aunt Julie is just railing, and so is my Aunt Grace. They're just like I never thought i'd see democracy threatened like this in my lifetime. And I was just sitting back being like, get her jade, like, I was like louder like. My mom was just watching them talk, and I was like, keep it going, keep it going.

I mean, it's not going to change your mind or anything.

But I was just like, do you are you seeing all your siblings sitting around saying the same shit and your kids.

So you don't think anything would change her mind? You think it's just like what your dad says, and that's the brain dad.

I think it's the Fox. I think it's the Fox News. It's like that's where she's getting the news. And so she considers herself an informed person because she's getting it all from this one source and it's the wrong information. And she sat on the couch at my uncle's house once and goes another plane crash and I go, yeah, maybe if he hadn't fired everybody at the FAA, these

I'm not gonna do that. But like it's just.

You've you have we already talked about this. Have you've seen that podcast that that guy does. He has like another very popular podcast about the Bachelor, I guess, But he has this new podcast he does with his sister where they talk to their parents and the new dad is about it.

He talks about it. The dad is just an unrepentant asshole.

Like they ask him normal questions like have you ever you ever, have you ever been wrong?

Have you ever apologized or anything?

The guy's like nope, Like he's just a full dick, the dad. And it's getting to the point where I'm like, I don't know if this is going to get anywhere, Like it's not. You know, your dad is a wall like of asshole, Like there's nothing.

Well, because I watched Doctor Mike and he'll talk to people about vaccines or whatever, and he'll be like, is there anything I can say that would change your mind? And there is, So it's like, what's the point, you know, It's like, right, what is the point.

These people do have.

To lose their farms and their lives and their health, their social security, and god knows what else until they like realize what's that? Like? Truly, their lives need to be so ruined and every brown and black person needs to be gone to be blamed, you know, Like I don't know what it's going to take for these people because these people's kids and family died of COVID and they still won't change their minds, like COVID is still not real.

Right Like Meazel's family, the Measles families are saying, I don't care that my kid died. I would never vaccinate another child, like if I had one, I just don't preventable diseases like I don't.

That's why waiting for them also to change their mind is futile, Like it's yeah, but with your mind it is like, so you think everyone in your family is wrong?

Yeah, everyone around you? It's crazy. I mean not everyone's just friends that like are the same. But it's just I also think she just kind of goes blinders about it, like when anyone, like.

She doesn't feel bad that these like family like men with families are just an El Salvador to die.

I haven't talked about that with her, but like if the world, if the news is telling you that these are gang members responsible for hundreds of people's deaths, which is not true, but if that's what the news is telling you, then you're like, I'm I don't care that this man got ripped away from his child. You know, Like she's not like evil, you know, but she's getting the information that tells her that this stuff is okay. But I don't know, I like, yeah, she just puts

So but because my theory is like if you're a trumper, you're either evil or dumb.

But your mom doesn't fall in I know, but she's not like a trumper.

They just vote Republican no matter what, like, which is you know what I mean, Like they wouldn't say I don't think that, they would say, oh, like he's the greatest president we've ever had. They're not like in the Maga cult, you know, They're not like he can do no wrong. But they do vote for him because I think they think the alternative is horrible.

I know, but it's like, what I guess is confusing, is so do you not have any values then, because if you're voting Republican, there are let's say, back in the day, there are these ideals that you believe in, which I guess I thought was the Constitution, And yeah, now that it's the name that I would love to bring up to them, but I don't.

I don't care. That's why I can't snatch people off the streets.

You can't deport people without due process, like like I like all these Republicans that are like, I'm a constitutionalist.

It's like I don't understand, like, but I just I can't. That's what I mean.

When the markers are constantly changing, like if the Democrat Party got some I also don't need to be like obsessed with my politicians, right, like I'm okay, disagree, Like I.

Don't know, I you know, they're not my all be all.

But if if someone was doing something I was an be like, oh I don't really like that. But it seems like they just can't admit that anything is a miss and that is what is Like what are you taught?

Like what do you stand for?

Then?

Yeah? Just not progress, like if you're just voting Republican no matter what, even when this person is anti everything you believe in. You well, you don't like abortion, he gets tons of them. You don't your you like, you don't you don't like divorce, he has a ton of them. You know, you want America to keep its secret? He's he has files in the bathroom, you know what I mean.

It's like these people like Reagan, they like they like the old ways like they do they they don't want anything to progress, to be honest, they don't.

Yeah, you know, but get a get to her. What's what's let's get to next. Let's get to what would sister peg do.

Let's I mean, listen, I you guys know for what Sister Peg do. This is our weekly segment where we try to give you guys more info about what we talked about in today's episode. We you know, an article, a documentary, something, an organization, a charity. But I was really trying to find something that kind of was like a definitive study on like women that are like in relationships with terrorists, you know, and like the stuff like

But I couldn't find anything.

So what I decided to highlight was the twenty seventeen documentary forty nine Pulses, which explores the tragic to twenty sixteen mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, and it features interviews with survivors, and I just I wanted to highlight that because you know, as a hue, as a what I like to consider myself an alley of the gay community, that one like really hit hard. So it's currently streaming on Prime. I think you can also

Yeah, just thinking about the shootings and how they'll never stop. How did you see that one of the girls that was like in Parkland was also at FSU.

No, but I've heard other stories of kids that are at two now, like people that are like their elementary school had one and then they go to Virginia Tech and they have like you know, it's like crazy.

And next week it's just like our brains aren't meant to do this from like the collapse of our government and life as we know it. And then just well, next week's episode, we will be doing closet from season nine, episode sixteam, So come on down more nonsense.

No, We're obsessed with all of you.

Thanks for listening at least we have another at least we have each other the listeners and SVU during these Uh. I mean, that's what's like amazing, Like I just love being on the road now more than ever because it's like so much my audience that it just feels like everyone's just on the same page.

And then the moment you get back to a different crowd.

You're like, oh, yeah, you guys, we're not like fatally linked in a true way, but all right, bye, guys, That's Messed Up as an exactly right production.

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