Sugar w/ Eric McCormack

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We know that this has been an extremely tough week. There's been some horrible events that have happened in the news, and we are going to touch on this later in the episode, so please stay tuned for our Sister Peg segment and we're gonna direct you guys towards some resources and have a little bit more of an in depth conversation about that. But for now, we kind of, you know, are gonna keep it light. Lisa, what's going on with you?

Just?

I don't know. I just feel like periods suck.

I'm at my parents' house and I'm in my childhood bedroom and like I revert back to my old behavior.

I'm screaming at them for no reason. It's humiliating. I'm thirty three, but I just am like I went on a walk. I mean, okay.

I told them, I'm like, I'm gonna go work out in my room. Each of them entered my room separately without knocking during that one hour.

I asked for privacy. I can't imagine. I really can't.

I went for a one and a half hour walk. I have some lines to learn. I was like, I'm gonna go for a walk. I got a call.

They're like, where are you.

I'm like, I just want I can't even have a fucking walk. And I know it's because they love me so much. I faced some with a friend and they're like, what's that shrine behind you? And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's just photos of me. They're obsessed with me. Like I should feel lucky to have parents that love me so much, but I just seem like I just I'm humiliated by I asked my therapist for strength to be kinder to them.

But wait, does your childhood better not have a lock on it? It does? I'm not really, that's not my vibe. I don't know.

I didn't maybe just for the workouts going forward, well, because then they're gonna knock and be like, what's going on in there?

Yeah?

Well, because when I'm alone working out, I'll just wear a bron underwear like I don't need more launch and piling up right. No, but they care about me so much because I've been in an Airbnb uniform US. So I came and I was washing the dishes and my mom goes, oh, you've had enough dishes.

Let me do them. Like why am I mean to this woman? But it's a double edge sword with your parents. You know you love them, you hate them. There's a lot.

It's just all the things I'm working on with my personality and therapy all come to light. Like I wake up to them yelling and I'm like, oh, this is where I get my behavior from.

Like I didn't just learn to yell at them. Oh my god. Last night one of our mutual friends.

I was hanging out with and she was telling me about some friend of her family where like the son killed the mother, and I was like, if Rosie killed me, that would be devastating all the work I do.

I mean, murder is the most extreme, but if any of your children treated you the way I treat my parents. I would slap them in the face every time I scream at them. I'm like, is Rosie gonna scream like this?

And hope not Jesus, I hope. I don't know. I'm gonna read.

I'm going to read some book about how to talk so kids listen, and how to listen so kids talk.

I don't know, we'll see no, but murder is tough for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like, oh my god. I just like, I've obviously.

Heard of children murdering parents before, but not since I haven't thought about it since I've been a parent, And I'm like, Wow, it's never occurred to me that this little devil could go from throwing my jewelry around just stabbing me multiple times.

Wow, I mean something to think about. Yeah, we're bed.

Parenthood is not for everybody.

Yeah, because like I know, you're you're, you're, you know, famously famously going to be child free, and you're like, I just can't imagine some tiny Lisa yelling at you the way you yell at your parents. It would just be at like an impasse. Every time I would throw.

Her against the wall like it was the wwe I don't know what I would be in jail. For sure, I would there would be an SVU episode based.

On me and my child. For sure.

It would be upsetting news. Oh, I do have a surprise to tell you. It might be weird for the podcast, but I will do it. You know, I had to move last minute. Kara packed up my apartment. She's been I'm moving back to LA. She's very helpful to me. And so during this time, you've been babysitting.

My dice and vacuum. And I want you to know that that is going to be yours forever. No, Lisa, I was gonna give it back.

No, I'm gifting you the dice, and I've used it eight times in my life. You probably use it eight times a day.

And what's ironic is that I'm giving you a rug and you've never had a rug. Really, So now you're gonna need a dyce in. But you know what, you can just borrow the dyce in. You don't have to vacuum that often. We are gonna live blocks away from each other.

I think I'll just buy a little handheld dustbuster. I'm not a cleaner in my spirit, but I feel like I don't I don't know why I bought an eight hundred dollars vacuum.

I'll be honest, I didn't even know it was that much.

For Jesus, I do haven't mounted to the wall, though, so I am happy you're letting me keep it.

Well, I was talking to one of our mutual friends yesterday and we were talking about the vacuum, and this is what was decided.

I'm also babysitting some Obama chocolates for you, a frame fiction.

You can't keep that, No, that stuff's all going back to you.

The Obama portrait is in Rosie's closet, so she sees it every day.

No, Rosie can.

Keep the Obama portrait. But I definitely need my Obama chocolate cause.

You can give it all, you can have it back. I didn't help you move out so that I could like gather things from you, But yeah, I felt like you probably use it a lot, the vacuum. Yeah, I mean I do, And as says, I used it when my baby decided to just freaking what is it called when they when the when the football players spike a ball at.

The end zone. I don't know, I don't know.

Whatever she touched down to fucking glass of wine and just shattered it into a thousand pieces.

There wasn't really any wine.

In it, but like the glass went everywhere, so I definitely needed the dice in. Then, geez, she loves throwing. She loves throwing. That's what everybody thinks. She's going to be athletic. I'm like, against all odds, me and her husband and my husband as her parents, she's.

Apparently going to be athletic. I don't know.

She loves fucking throwing stuff. But just to clarify, the Obama chocolate's what are they? They're like they're hers she kisses that are special edition.

No, they're from the White House.

Yeah, because I don't know if anyone here watches VP, but you know she gave people presidential eminems a lot in that show and when she was mad at them, So these are presidential during the Obama years. And it was my old roommates who I do not speak to anymore. She moved out without cleaning up any of her stuff.

I had to clean up everything, like handle it all.

So it's like, I'm sorry if you leave with no notice and I have to find a roommate and clean out your room. I'm keeping your fucking Obama chocolates. I don't care, and that's that, and take me to court, bitch. I mean, I'm not giving them back to you.

That would be such a good judge, Judy though, like two comedians that hate each other going after fucking package of Obama chocolates.

I would die. That's Ratings gold.

The thing that was funny while we lived together, people were like, so, how's it going fighting yet?

And I was like, you're a misogynist. How dare you? Two fun women can get along? And then a year later.

It was like, okay, I guess you guys were right. We cannot get along, Lisa.

How old is this chocolate? I just googled it. Chocolate only lasts one year. Oh it's not for eating, it's not, thank god.

No, now it's display chocolate, display only chocolate.

No, there's no way meaning that this is forever. This my children, well not my children, I don't know you're children.

Someone will get it. Your niece and nephew, you'll get to them.

No, though Obama chocolates are because we have other friends that are holding some art for me and other things. But I do not trust their stone or asses with the Obama chocolates, like for they can only go to specific households that I know will not open the chocolates.

Yes, because it is.

Tempting, Like I smoked weed for a long time and sometimes you're.

Like, eh, but no, you don't happen though Obama chocolate. You're like, how good of a president was Obama? Really? And then you just fucking eat all the chocolate.

Well, I'm really glad to hear that your parents are soaking up every minute of Lisa time that they're going to get before you move.

But I hope that you can work out in peace next time. Yeah. No, I'll be nicer to them.

And we're a family that doesn't discuss any problems, so the next morning we pretend nothing happens.

So it's kind of terrible in the long run, but in the short term it's perfect. Yeah. All right, But.

Speaking of presidential chocolate, let's talk about today's episode.

Sugar.

All right, Sugar, Sugar, let's get into this episode.

I was gonna sing the dent dun dun dun, dundun dum. Sorry I didn't even give you a chance. Okay, So this is season eleven, episode two.

I always hate it when they go when they start an episode, or where in any episode where they go down into the subway tunnels, they just creep me out so much, like I just think of rats and all the like horrible stuff that's in the subway tunnels. So that's where this episode starts, down in the old like down in these subway tunnels, or maybe it's like it's tunnels off of Grand Central I think, which I think.

I didn't tell you this, but our friend Lane last week pulled someone off the subway track.

I knew. Our other friend told me insane.

Yeah, shout out to our friend Lane for being a hero fully pulled someone off the tracks.

And then bought him pizza and then got him a lift home. So nice.

Yeah, people are having a rough time right now, probably especially in New York, and that was like, damn, what a day. I would say, saving a life is enough.

I think SVU has.

Done more than one geo cashing plot line before I'd have to research it. But you know, I definitely think they're into this geocashing thing, which if you don't know, is like it's basically just like a treasure hunt using coordinates and maps and all kinds.

Of clues and stuff.

And Olivia like shows them the treasure and is like, tell me again, what's so exciting about pins and yo yo? It's like a bunch of dollar store garbage in this box and they're like, no, it's about the buzz of being FtF first to find. So these guys didn't see anything, you know, they're just like the dorks that find the body. They're like, tell us who left the box there? And they're like, ugh, the masturbatar is the name of the guy.

But also what's shocking is they're not traumatized at all.

They're still about the yo yo and yeah, you did just see a crumbled up dead body in a suitcase.

Can you like shed half a tear? I don't know, I know, they're not traumatized at all.

They're really obsessed with like being the first person to get the box of Yoyo's.

It's really wild. So they see this video that.

This quote unquote, this person whose pseudonym is Masturbatar has left a clue that's like, hey, and the voice is all coded and the face is all pixelated.

That's like, here's where you find your clue. Blah blah blah.

But when you know who it is, the pixelation is still so obvious.

Yeah, like it's clearly her. Well, they trace it to this.

They trace the Wi Fi to a discount store on Staten Island called the garb Barn. I mean more depressing words have never been spoken like that.

I don't know. That just sounds like a terrible place.

Not that I don't I love a discount store, I love a Marshall's, but just on Staten Island called the Garbbarne.

Yikes.

So they get there, they're talking to the manager. He's like, ah, the kids love the free Wi Fi. They're always on their face space or they're my book or whatever. It is classic Boomer humor. Elliott thinks it's somebody that works there. Thinks Masturbator is somebody who works there, and goes over the PA system and is like, can the masturbator come

So she's a great returning SVU person.

So she basically, like Lisa said, you basically realize, oh, yeah, why did we think it was a boy, just because it's like it seems like.

She had like a hot topic haircut, and it's like this is her.

Yeah, But honestly, it seems like the masturbator is something a boy would name themselves, not a girl. So I think that's like where the red airing was. But she's a girl and she's the masturbator and she's like, yeah, like that train almost ruined my shot in my video. And they're like, there was no training your video, and she's like, the second take there wasn't, but the first

Very SVU will go with it because we have no choice.

So Finn cross reference to credit cards, blah blah blah, figures out that the girl on the train is Emily Keith. She lived in Stamford. I used to live in Stamford. It's about thirty five minutes forty minutes outside New York. It's in Connecticut, and she was going one way in a sleeping car to Tampa. Benson and Stabler then go visit her dad. They want to know where her dog Tank is. The stepmother gives us a little background, saying that Emily was kind of like a wild child drinking

Let's be honest, what anyone that lives on a house boat is not a good character.

Is still a bad boy?

Okay, No one on a houseboat is like a chill, upstanding citizen.

Prove me wrong.

Listen, two of my friends are a couple are sailing around the world right now, and I'm like, it looks amazing but also like crazy and terrifying at the same time. Like it's not like it's below deck where they have like a staff. It's just like the two of them on a boat get having to repaint and like plug up holes and do all this crazy shit on the boat.

They go to question Owen. He runs immediately.

He hops on this little dinghy and tries to get away, like the kind that it's inflatable, and he tries to point a flare gun at Stabler, Like what is wrong with you?

Actually, you also forgot he was I've never really seen this on STVU, but he was smoking a doobie, like you kind of saw the John.

Oh, he said that later, but I didn't see it. I didn't see it.

Yeah, he like legit was midpuff as they walked up.

It was really exciting.

Well, Lisa, you know you have you have tunnel vision for people, so you noticed it immediately.

I didn't notice that. I saw him kind of coming out of his boat.

And then they were like, he's like, you got to ask permission to come on someone's boat, and then they were like showed their badges. He books it, So then he's on this dinghy pointing a flare gun at Stabler, and Stabler shoots the boat and deflates it, which is like a hilarious way to bring in this.

They're like, get over here.

You idiot, Like, it's like, yeah, this is a very slapstick episode of it.

It is.

It is really like, I mean, it gets weird, it gets awful later, but right now it's nothing but laughs. Let's see Owen is an interrogation and he says he needs because he was Yeah. Yeah, he's like a hot, preppy, douchey kind of looking guy, bury boat shoes. He says he ran because he was smoking the joint, which Lisa already spot.

I didn't know.

He said he got scared. He knows nothing about Emily's murder, and then Benson shows up and is like, you don't know anything about her trip to Florida either, Why why don't you explain how you have a slip down there and you make cell phone calls from there every other week.

So clearly this guy is like not being truthful.

Then we get a call from Finn that tells telling Benson and Stabler that they just found a dozen kilos of uncut cocaine on Owen's.

Boat, so he is fucked.

But nothing of Emily's was on board, no dog, no clothes, and then Finn goes just a tube of lipstick but looks like more of his shade.

I don't get this joke.

I mean, I think it's like, uh ah, he's gay, you know. I think it's one of those I think he wears lipstick.

Lol, Yeah, one of those jokes that dub doesn't hold up. And Stabler's like, do you hear gurgling? That's the sound of you drowning right now. There's a lot of zingers in this episode too. Owen admits to dealing, but not to killing Emily. He said that he was sailing back from Tampa the day that she was killed. He said, Emily and him broke up months ago. She lived with him on the boat but got seasick, like just tied

I don't know.

I mean, when you break up with someone or you like, can I get a forwarding address?

Like?

I know, it seems weird to me.

But they now are at Emily's apartment where they find Tank. Thank god, poor little puppy. He's so hungry. He's like eating jam off the ground. She's got Tiffany boxes, and then Benson points out she's got a thousand dollars vase on a yard sale end table. Benson always knows how much stuff is, Like she knows designers.

She knows what's hot and what's not. Like she'll just look.

At like a pair of lingerie and be like, this is two thousand dollars lingerie. She just knows like everything. She's like she's a Manhattan girl. Yeah, it's like she's reading Vogue in her spare time. It's really funny to me, you know, because I think it always surprises like Stabler in them because they're like shoes or shoes, and she's like, these are manolos, Like she knows what's up all the time.

Maybe that's more realistic than I think.

I just have so many tabs open. If the cops came, they'd be like, what's this bitch up to? I always have at least twenty tabs open.

If you think they'd be like, Okay, she's either a Bravo con she might be at a Simpsons convention. We don't know where she is. She's shopping at Aso's. Okay, So she has a video up on her profile that just says, if you're into excitement, I'm into you.

I love these lines. They're so funny.

So obviously the cops go to Tasty Sugar to investigate her role there, and the first person we meet is Lizette, who is this statuesque supermodel woman who is like very beautiful, very hot.

I would put her on like a top ten list of administrative assistance of SVU.

Yeah, she would be number one for.

Sure, of all the women who say you can't go in there, she's the hottest one we've seen.

Yes, and her makeup was really good. I just I really liked everything.

Yeah, and they will we find out, Okay, So this She explains that Tasty Sugar is one of a dozen properties owned by Advance United. It's not a dating dating service. They prefer to call it social networking with a romantic twist. Benson says, I wish the precinct was like this, and Stabler goes munch on a scooter, I'll pass.

Like, there's just so many funny.

Because basically this place is like Google, what you imagine Google, or like a Silicon Valley places, like everybody's playing games and messing around, and everybody's really hot and young.

But also what's wrong with Stabler? I would love to see munch on a scooter? Yeah, that would make my life.

Come on, we see a cardboard cutout of Van Shepherd played by Eric McCormick of Will and Grace fame. He's like a CEO who believes work should be fun, says his secretary.

Wait, this is very off topic, but did you see when Ben Affleck and his latest girlfriend Anna to Arms broke up. There's like a man throwing away a cardboard cutout of her into his track.

Yes, and our friend Nicole Byer, who has a cardboard cut out of herself in her house, was like, you'll never throw away my cardboard cut out.

You can't get rid of me twice but uh okay.

So Lisette, the secretary, the administrative assistant is going through all their perks. They get free dry cleaning, catered meals, rent breaks on soho lots, like everyone in this place is hot.

They're all playing pool.

Olivia notices it immediately and is like, are they putting something in the water, And she goes, we have a generous health plan that includes cosmetic surgery, and like, I don't think that is a thing I've never heard of that I don't think that your health plan can like include cosmetic surgery.

But maybe I know that my friend's health plan included getting your eggs frozen, and so.

Yeah, reproductive stuff for sure, But I just don't think like you can get like your deviated septum fixed, But like, I don't think you can just be like I want a nose job.

I don't know.

Maybe maybe if you work at a cosmetic surgery, sure.

Yes, then you get services.

But if you are a listener and your job has provided you with covery cosmetic surgery as part of your health plan.

Do write in. I'd love to hear about it.

Actually, when I was away tress back in the day, my other waitress friend worked at another place, and she said that the guy was such a creep.

He would make everyone dye their hair.

He would be like, I'll pay for your salon visits, and he got girls tits and stuff. But it's because he was a creep and would watch them on the you know, he was not It wasn't of the kindness of his heart. He was like a controlling psychopath who watched them all on cameras and wanted everyone to be a brunette with big tits.

That's wild. So that's the it's not open anymore, I'll say it.

It was a salt and pepper diner, Oh Oh, made famous from John Mulaney's joke off New Intown.

But yeah, so in Chicago. But if you do need.

To get a breast reduction, I have had too, they are covered, so make sure you do that well, right, because.

A breast reduction is like back problems and like that.

I just don't understand how you could like justify like I need bigger tits like for my health. Okay, So now we meet Vance, who I just cannot unsee him as Will Truman on Will and Grace. It's like this whole episode is predicated on him being like this horn dog straight guy. And I know that the actor is straight in real life, but it's like when I see I'm so I just watch so much Will and Grace that I have a hard time not picturing him as just like a funny gay man. But he doesn't like

Like such a tool like forgets what he owns.

They basically are like we're going to need access to her accounts, her chats, the people that she talked to, and he's like, yeah, I'm going to need a warrant, Like, you know, you got to do this legally. I don't really like privately owned companies and the government intrusion happening. So they back at the precinct. The tech suddenly cannot find Emily on Tasty Sugar anywhere, so they're like, oh, they must have taken it down, and she's like, wait,

Had to google this.

Sherman and Mister Peabody was a cartoon within the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show in the sixties, so it's like, oh, I think there were just like some old man writers in the room that were like, we'll give her this joke. People will get it, and I don't. I don't think so. So they do find Emily's page in the way Back Machine and they see a link that's like, oh, if you're shy at the bottom we can double date with my bff Pamela, and Pamela's video is almost better than

I think I'd just be like, I'll fuck you for money. I don't know, no, I think I would also.

Be playing the game at all now.

I think I would say, like, I enjoy rooftops and seafood and sex.

Great, we're gonna get ourselves up on a sugar babysit asap.

Two c.

Who does better a pregnant woman who talks a lot or a girl like seafood, towers and rooftops. Okay, we cut to this girl, Pamela on a date with Elliott. What we'd all love to be doing going on a fake date with Elliott's stabler. He's pouring champagne, he's being charming, and it's really it's funny because it's like he's acting. I guess that this is part of the act, that he's acting like he has no idea what she's talking about.

She's like, I need a charge card.

I can do weekends away, any weekends except for the last of the month. That's when my boyfriend's band plays, and I need to be there because I'm always there.

And turns out her boyfriend chic.

She has a fiance who's totally down with her being a sugar baby. So basically we cut to Elliott being like, Hey, i'd love if a friend came along. What about your friend Emily that I saw on the site with you? And she's like, it's gonna have to be a different BFF because Emily's an idiot.

She fell in love with a guy.

He had so much fun on the date we went on that he said he was going to buy tasty sugar. So here's our clue that this guy is Vance Shepherd. And then she whips out her phone and there are pictures of Emily and Vance cozy cozy when they were on a date a few months prior, because he's only owned Tasty Sugar for three months, so obviously he bought it because he had this magical date with Emily. So

Where were you the night Emily was murdered.

He said he was having dinner with Lisette, his assistant, and Lisette would never lie for me. He admits he lied about knowing Emily because he's the face of a private company and he has a seventeen year old daughter named Chantell. He references his ex wife Joyce, who has anger issues. He says he joined Tasty Sugar because he's busy and it's just easier to have an arrangement, and Tasty Sugar obviously is sort of similar to like Ashley Madison.

Well, Ashley Madison is just if you want to cheat on your.

Pregnant oh, just for cheating, But you can find sugar babies on there too, I think, jo, yeah, I knew a girl who wrote an article about being a sugar baby from Ashley Madison. But anyway, so they're talking to him and he's like, you don't understand. It was different with me and Emily. I took her to museums, I encourage her to go to college. I brought at her horizons. And then Elliott says to Olivia, how many times have we heard this song? And she's like, oh, the Ballad

So they're really like, well, what was the rest of your day like?

And he doesn't really like how pushy there being sweet calls his lawyer. Then we segued to kind of these sort of quick testimonials almost that remind me of early Sex in the City episodes, when people used to talk right to the camera. Oh I know remember, and so like people are like, oh, yeah, I trained him at five am.

Oh yeah, we had a business meeting at nine.

Like everyone's just talking, and then like the waitress that sat him for lunch knows exactly what time he left and when his crowd came in.

Blah blah blah.

So he's got alibis all day up until two forty five. But then that would have given him time to still murder Emily, except he was supposed to have his daughter's

She reminds me of the oldest daughter and missus doubtfire this Chantelle, Oh yeah, that's the way I got from her.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So they're like, was your dad at your soccer game? And she's like, yep, he was, And then her mom jumps in and is like, Chantelle, don't lie for that bastard. She was in tears because he never showed up at the game. I'm always the one that has to pick up the pieces when he disappoints her. And then Chantelle's like, oh yeah, because you're never a bitch and storms off.

It's just always I'm sorry.

But I can't imagine them being married, Like this is crazy, it's a weird. There's no way, there's no way that he married this like Upper east Side.

I just I don't see it.

I don't see these people together and I don't see them giving birth to this child.

Like nothing makes sense lineage wise.

Yeah, but I mean it also seems like he's one of these guys that might have also, like really focused on his appearance and gotten things nipped and tucked. So he looks a little younger than he is, you know, because she looks like the mother of a seventeen year old. You know, he doesn't necessarily look like the father of a seventeen year old.

So, and my dad always taught me, like, if someone's lying, like you don't need to shut up, talk about it later. You don't call people out while they're lying, if that's someone you care about. So, like, he lied once and I was like nah, And he goes, why, I'm your dad, Who the fuck is this?

Like, let me lie? And I was like, oh yeah, good point. So it's like, if your daughter's lying to the cops, let her have it. What are you getting involved?

Well, because she hated him, Well, then we get into this because she hates him, yes, like she has a Really I'm.

Just going to listen to the listeners.

If your loved one is lying, you let them lie and then you talk about it later.

Yeah, bring it up later, cover them.

So yeah, Chantal calls her mama bitch and storms off, which seems like par for the course of New York City children treating their parents. I say that as a person with cousins who grew up in New York City. And Joyce basically gives her read on Dvance, which is that he's a child. He craves attention, he throws fits, he's like into youth culture, like he texts more than chantale. He never physically hurt them, but came close, and she said,

Yeah, but he's clearly a superficial guy, So that's not going to fly for me, right it's right if.

They ever loved each other.

But I don't really like him painting her as like crazy. Like, you know, breast cancer is scary. A lot of people are scared of it, and people will do stuff like getting prevented of mistectomy, So I don't think it's that crazy. Stabler points out that he never showed up at the game.

My favorite rom com is How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days. He plays McConaughey's boss.

He's been in so many damn things.

I also did a show with him at Caroline's one time. Oh yeah, son was there.

He comes in with a DVD footage of security coverage from the building and shows footage of Emily leaving Vance's building at exactly the same time that he said she was at three forty five in Walks. Sonya Paxton, this is my gray Lick.

Like you hate gray Lick, then she's my number one hatred.

I just like, I understand why and I trust me. At the beginning, I was like, she's too much. But I just love this actress. I think Christine Latti is such a talented actress. I've been watching her my whole life, and I think she's so good. And this is like the kind of part I would want to play, like I would want to play someone like this, Like she's

So I but I think she has a journey.

As I've said, as I've commented on our show's Instagram page, She's had a journey.

She went into recovery. Listen. I just think we need to give Sonya Paxton a chance. I like her, and she did have a tragic end for you know. Yes.

Spoiler alert if you haven't watched, she does not she's not long for this world.

So Sonia walks in.

And she's like, say you just let him off the hook like bust is us on prostitution. And then we have like sort of an interesting conversation between Sonya and Olivia about sex work, where Olivia is kind of like, there's nothing wrong with what these girls do on Tasty Sugar, Like you know, it's like this is what people can Some people consider this work and like that's that's our belief right, that sex work is work, and Sonya is.

Just like, it's prostitution.

It's the oldest profession in the world, like you know, and she's like, I can't believe you don't agree with me, and Olivia's like why because all women have to agree on everything together. So it's an interesting little spat and it's about and it's interesting because the episode is from it's from two thousand and nine, so it's from like eleven or twelve years ago, and it's.

Still a relevant conversation. You know. The show's always tapping on into these issues.

Yeah, there is an episode this current season about camming exactly what there it's it is really upsetting to see how we never move forward even though we think we do sometimes.

Yeah, but basically they're like, uh, let's go back to the secretary. She's got to know something. This secretary always knows something. And they're like, we already talked to the secretary.

Do you think you can do a better job? And she's like watch me.

So now they get into they're back at Tasty Sugar. Now Sonya's with them with Benson and Stabler. They're questioning was set and she's like, you would never lie for him, right.

Even after he bought you that very impressive rack.

And then she has this little monologue where she's like everything is my business, your boobs, your boss, your belligerent little attitude. You better start talking before I throw you in lock up where you're that cute little body of yours will get you all the attention you can handle, which is pretty fucked up, like to basically threaten someone with like your you will be assaulted when you go to jail, and I don't think you want.

But also, did she have a bad attitude? She seems pretty nice, like I don't I know, but that's Sonya. This whole thing.

Sonya's gonna find an attitude where there's no attitude like so she but she's They're really focusing on Lysette's chest a lot, which I would love to find out a little bit more about whether the actress was okay with that, because uh, you're they're like, your trial's coming up soon. By the way, your double the alibi here is pretty shaky. I mean there's like literally a comment every ten seconds

But she fucking got her. Man, she did it.

Vance got to her place, but later than he said he did. He was disheveled, freaked out. They barely made their reservation. He had told her he got bumped by a cab and knocked down on the crosswalk and then gave her this shirt with blood on it to get dry cleaned and told her not to tell anyone. And then he says, She says, I think my boss killed that girl. So now we've got They arrest him back at Google Tasty Sugar, where he's like about to make a basket to determine who gets to go home for

Say another word.

He is clearly distraught, and that's exactly what his defense attorney, Dwight Stanich will argue and the confession will be completely thrown out. So she knows her shit because she's probably not wrong here.

Now, I'm always on the side of the cops. I would hate if someone interrupted my interrogation, of.

Course, but wouldn't you what if your interrogation was at risk of being completely thrown into the garbage.

Oh so Sonya can break the rule and run and harass this woman at her job. But yeah, we have to follow the rules. Yeah, how is the shirt not going to be thrown out? You threatened that she's going to get assaulted in prison, So no ah.

No, she came with the shirt on her own. I don't know.

I agree with you, Sonya is bending the rules, but like she definitely I think doesn't owe the cops to finish their interrogation if they're getting it from a distraught witness and it's going to get thrown out.

I learned this at the law school of svu AD that I think Sonya's right. I thought I was about to learn something new about you that you went to law school. Hello. Yeah, the USA Network of Law merch.

So Stabler kind of like grabs Sonya on the way out, which is like not a great look, like he you know, he should not be like man handling her, and then he calls her a sanctimonious bitch.

She calls him an adolescent ahole.

And then meanwhile Vance is banging on the glass being like hello, I did it.

Can somebody listen to me?

So then we cut to the arraignment, which is kind of a wreck because Advance keeps pleading guilty even though his lawyer tells him to shut up and says that he's not guilty. Sonya asks for five million in bail, the defense asks for one hundred k. The bail is set at a million dollars, but the lawyer reveals that basically.

His strategy is extreme emotional distress.

That his company had recently lost a lot of money, plus the breakup, all of this just kind of caused him to snap, and that's the argument that they're going to use. So now Sonya's like, we have to find footage from him at Grand Central getting on that train to kill Emily because we need proof that his extreme emotional disturbance defense is bullshit. So they're looking at all of this footage. They are striking out. They're not finding

Bust me? Like, it's just it's so true. It's what you say. That's what's annoying about her.

She thinks she can break the rules when she wants, but no one else can break the rules, or no one else can fuck up but what's.

Interesting is the moment she lit the cigarette, I was like, I like you now I liked it was the opposite. I was like, yeah, try to smoke inside. Actually I wanted it made me want a cigarette. They need to put her in some commercials. I mean, it's illegal to have cigarette, so your commercials are not a thing anymore. No, they haven't been for so can they even advertise in magazines anymore?

That's been illegal too, right, I don't think so. Yeah.

Damn, poor cigarette companies. They can't advertise anywhere.

Okay.

So finally, in the midst of the arguing over the cigarette, Olivia spots a full frontal shot of Emily getting onto the train and they realize that Emily isn't Emily.

Okay.

So now Stabler goes to see Vance in lock up and he's like, you didn't kill Emily, And we're basically getting these two cross cut scenes, okay, of Benson talking to Chantelle the daughter, and Stabler talking to Vance, and they're going back and forth, kind of explaining what happened and making excuses in Chantelle's like, you think I killed

Of it was when they had to n angle her body to get in the suit into the suitcase. I also wanted to say, this is one of my favorite tropes of Sview is when they watched the footage over and over and over, and everyone's like, go home, what do you think you're gonna find? And then the footage has the answer, yeah that I get really satisfied in those.

Because they have boxes and boxes of Grand Central footage. I mean, it's like one of the busiest train stations in the world, Like it's really wild. So Vance walks finds Emily and then Chantelle says, Daddy, I did something real bad, and she said he spun around for a second and he looked so scared, like Chantelle was going to kill him too, as she had like a dead look in her eyes. And he says I made her that way by being a bad dad or never being around.

It's alwayso like, what an idiot sticks to the plan. So what if it's a delayed train, you just murdered someone?

Yeah?

Right, because I bet you if she just rode the train to Florida, they wouldn't have gotten caught.

I guess not, because anytime you go to a different state, I feel like that's when killers like rule because nobody talks to each other, so there's all kinds of jurisdiction stuff and that, Yeah, they would have just blamed Owen.

My dad's taking the blame. That proves my daddy loves me.

Right, It's all very sad Benson is like, that's not what's happening. And Chantelle's like, well, maybe your daddy never loved you, and Benson's like he didn't, but I still know that this is wrong. So it's interesting saying like Benson doesn't. That doesn't really throw Benson the hole. Your daddy never loved you. She's like, yeah, I know. And Vance says, Stabler, you do the same thing. And he's like, please just let me see my daughter one more time.

She's like, Daddy, you said it would work.

And she's like sobbing and he's like, they found out, sweetheart, they found out somehow. They let Vance take his cuffs off. They start hugging and she's like, I'm so sorry, and she's like, I'm sorry too, daddy, and then she twist grabs a pair of scissors off of one of the desks in the precinct. This is all going down in the sixteenth Precinct, by the way, and she stabs her father Vance in the neck with a pair of scissors, and then as he's lying there bleeding out, she goes,

I don't know why I'm laughing. But there's like a bloodied man.

But no, but everybody is frozen and just watching this man bleed out, like I think Stabler tries to help him a little bit, but it's like he I think she stabbed him right in his.

Like, what is this one? An important one? Is this the carotid? No, that one's in your butt? Okay?

And so everyone just stands there as Vance dies. And that's the end of the episode.

And I hope you guys are impressed because it is the sixteenth Precinct and this is our sixteenth episode, and we did this on purpose.

We did this for you.

If you think we're just willy nilly doing stuff, we have themes. You know, we're trying to make connections. And I'm pretty impressed with this one.

This is what I love about this show is that so much actually goes down in the Precinct, Like people attack each other, people spot their rapists, Like, I just don't think this much goes down in an actual precinct, but at this precinct, it's where the action is.

And I don't know where I read this or I saw it, or maybe I did make this, but I felt like professionals talked about this and said that a moment like this would never happen, Like they would never undercuff a guy.

Right and let him meet his daughter right.

Now, like that would never be allowed. Like a meet and greet doesn't happen when you've committed murder doesn't happen.

So we're thankful for the sixteenth Precinct and all the drama that it has given us. And we'll be back in a second for Lisa to tell me all about the true crime.

All right, So the crime happened six weeks before this episode came out, so it is pretty close. So I don't know if it was fully inspired or there was forshe I don't know, or SV willed this crime to.

Happen inspired detail.

Yeah, So it's just a little serendipitous or coincidental that these things happen so close together. Also, this crime involves a lot of reality television, which is something we enjoy.

But so this is the darker side of reality if you needed to know about it.

So we have this guy, Ryan Jenkins, and he is a Canadian guy and he comes to Vegas and he wants to be famous and important. He seems like narcissist, sociopath, lunatic, liar, like he claims to be a millionaire. He's a cabana pool boy type. He's just spending money, live in the Vegas life. And then there's casting agents wildly in Vegas and see him and they go, hey.

You seem perfect for something we're working on.

And this show that they find him for is called Megan Wants a Millionaire. So I don't know if any of you remember this, but it was a reality show. And Meghan is this former playboy playmate and she's done lots of shows.

She was on like.

Charms School with Brett Hart and Beauty in the Geek. She's just been on reality television. And so they pick this Ryan, thirty two year old real estate developer from Calgary to come on the show and be one of these millionaires that Megan wants to date. Now they end up having a side relationship within the show, like they click really well, and so they were texting and iaming and communicating outside of filming, which is usually not I aming.

That little thing with like when the door opens, when your person comes on, and they.

I mean, I remember my junior highday or was it high school, but I remember my whole computer screen was filmed with I AM filled with I AM chats. I'd be talking like fifteen people at once, all the time about fucking nothing. So he also has like a goatee, which is pretty disgusting.

And then there's a guy on this.

Show too that I remember from Millionaire Matchmaker called Dave Levine, And in this crime show that I was watching, he was doing an interview and he's like, yeah, once you're on TV, people are excited, and it's like, sir, no one.

Cares about you. How dare you?

Anyways, So Megan and Ryan are having like extra conversations and she's like, I'm gonna pick you. I like you, YadA YadA, And then the producers actually reach out to her and they're like, listen, everyone hates him. The audience will not like him. He's a liar. Everything he's telling you is lies. We can see that, Like he just tells people whatever they want to hear. He is not legit. The audience will turn on you. You cannot pick Ryan. He is not the one. But she already told him

But they're they're like each other. They've been together for more than for two days. Yes, I would say years. Years.

Years after filming, Meghan reaches out from Megan wants a millionaire, reaches out to Ryan, going the show's over, let's kick it, and he goes, I don't need you. I have a hot blonde and we're married. Go fuck yourself. So the producers and everyone is like, yeah, this was like a revenge thing where he just needed you know, he.

Called me interesting. I read about this case, but you did much more in depth. Like I didn't hear any of this stuff about Meghan and like how he married because I was like, you know, it's a red flag when someone gets married after two days. I didn't realize it was just like a full revenge wedding.

Yeah, like this was his way of quote unquote winning the show because he got rejected, and it's this way of being like, fuck you, Meghan, I have like a hotter, blonder woman. And so the relationship is fucked up and the detail of the relationship. Basically, his visa was running out and he needed to be married to stay in the country, so he offered Jasmine ten thousand dollars to be able to stay in the country, and she wanted money and so she did it, but the money never came.

And then, according to.

Jasmine's friend Marta Montoya, there were problems with the marriage a month into it, which makes sense when you get married to someone within.

Forty eight hours. So and then it all.

Came to a head where they were at a cocktail party, and Jasmine started talking to this man David, and then started making out with him, which is an insane thing to do when you're at a party with your husband. But Ryan sees that she's making out with this guy named David and shoves her and then shoves her into the pool. So she's pushed in the pool, and she files a police report, and he serves two days in jail.

No, thank you.

So after all of that, she ended up moving to an apartment in LA and then he followed her and she kind of let him. And her friend said, and I don't know how real of a friend this is. This is Vegas clubs, but this girl Marto was just like she liked being lusted for by Ryan, even though I bet she knew it was unhealthy and it was fucked up.

She tried to go to La. He followed her. She was into it, so she let him get in there.

So then in this apartment he ended up cheating on her and taking a lover and like having her find them on purpose to get back at her, like this is just not a healthy individual or situation. And Jasmine asks for an annulment, and he starts reaching out to Megan from this reality TV show and then he right as this annulment, all this drama is happening, he signs up for I Love Money Season three.

So, and these are all like VH one shows, right correct?

Yeah, these are viacom reality shows because I remember Joe Millionaire, I remember Who Wants to Marry I remember this Sign of Culture for sure, and.

Like Rock of Love, Rock of Love bus like all of those Slave Love New York. Yeah, yeah, Flavor Flave I watched, I remember Pompkin for I remember Flavor Flame has star quality.

Yeah, let's get Flavor Flame on a fucking SVU. That would be an amazing cameo. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's great. Are you clicking and clacking to see if he's still alive or what?

Flava Flav was definitely still live. I'm sorry, I am no. I was gonna say Megan was on Rock of Love, did you yes? Yeah? Yeah?

And she was on Charms School with Brett, I said Brett Hart, Brett Michaels, Okay, so by Brett Harr, who's a wrestler. He did not do Rock of Love. It's Brett Michaels from a band. So he signs up for I Love Money Season three, and he flies to Mexico for a month of shooting. And during this time, this is all like, this is such a e gossip, But I don't know if you guys are listening, like get to the murder bitch. But all of this background, I do feel makes sense and it is kind of a

If you're wondering what happened.

But he did win, and so the producers talk about how during this and once he realized he was gonna win, he was messaging Jasmine going I'm gonna win this money.

I'm gonna give us the life.

I always promise I'm obsessed with you, like I want to be with you, and you know, she likes money and she's into it. But what's fucked up is the producers we're hearing and seeing all of this and thought it was a funny storyline, like they couldn't wait to put this in the show of him being like obsessed with this model girlfriend, and they saw no danger in these communications. And so he sent that email to her being like, I love you. I'm going to give you

It's pretty fucking horrific.

So basically, they go to this hotel tournament and while he's playing poker, she's texting her ex, Robert Hassman, and then they get into her white They get into Jasmine's white Mercedes to go back to the hotel from the poker tournament, and that's when things get violent. So in the car is when things got violent. Something with the text. Something happened in that car where he just started to beat the shit out of her.

So he couldn't.

Obviously bring a bloodied, bruised woman that he just beat up through the lobby of the hotel, so he carried her to their hotel patio door, but the door didn't open from the outside, so he left her.

There, and on the footage in the hotel we.

See him like run like a raised maniac into his room and so then he brings her in through the patio door. And at five three am this night, they see him on the footage of the hotel leave the hotel room and take the phone, take the landline and put it on a For some reason, this hotel had a dresser in the middle of the hallway.

I've never seen this in my life.

I've stayed at so many hotels, but it's like a giant wooden dresser is just in the hotel hallway. So he takes the phone out and puts it on top of this dresser, which alludes to the fact that someone is in that room that he doesn't want calling nine to one one. Why else would you take a landline in So the fact that they saw him go into the room alone and yet then take the phone out and hide it in the hallway is pretty telling that

It's just really bad.

He strangled her, and that's a connection to the SVU as well. So she was strangled and then I don't understand how he had all of these tools with him, but he ripped out all of her teeth and cut off all of her fingers, and so that's what made it really hard to identify Jasmine when her body was found.

Okay, no, no, no more times.

So when he comes out of the room, he's holding all the contents that would have been in the suitcase. So they have him on camera like holding all of these things that didn't fit into the suitcase. And then he rolled the suitcase out the back patio to the car around nine thirty am and he leaves the hotel with no luggage and no Jasmine. And this is all on camera and I didn't mention, but in the beginning, there is footage of them checking into the hotel and

So this is what's wild.

So the detectives find the suitcase and because of no teeth, no fingerprints, they don't know how to id her. But she has breast implants and this is from a different episode of Sview. I wish they put it in this one, but how could they have known that we needed it? But they identify her through the serial number of breast implans. They are unique and everyone has their own, so they are able to identify her and they contact the La

You look to boyfriend husband right away.

And so they're looking for Ryan, and the police in Las like funny you should say that because he filed up missing persons report and we needed more information from him, and we've been trying to contact him all day and he won't return our calls. So a man hunt ensues, and basically one week later, he is found in British Columbia dead in a motel.

Room by suicide. He hung himself.

Someone that works at the motel found him hanging, and he did kill himself. And then a few days after the discovery of Jasmine's body, her white Mercedes was found in a parking lot a mile away from Ryan's home. And there was so much evidence in the vehicle, lots of.

A great hiding job, like you have to bring it to a field and set it on fire or something like. If it's going to have all that evidence in it, why would you just leave it filled with evidence a mile from where you live.

I'm not a psychologist, clearly, and I'm diagnosing him with all these things, but he's a fucking narcissist and when you like when he probably with the texts and everything, thought he was going to get away with at all,

I read something where the father was like, she was his only friend in La and she would withhold, she would sometimes disappear and hang out with other people, and it's.

Like, okay, so he was totally right to murder her. Great great great Yeah, he was like I told him to dump chasmine.

But I do want to just touch on this, like ethics and reality television in this case actually changed a lot of casting because what's fucked up is he had a domestic assault charge from two thousand and seven on an ex girlfriend in Canada, and he likes was charged and convicted. So what the fuck is going on that you're bringing a domestic abuser onto a reality show set and really stressful, like being on reality TV is stressful. Yeah,

Sweet, fun person.

This seems like it could have been like its own SVU. I mean I think that like this is listed on a bunch of our resources, like as what is like the inspiration of sugar, even though really it's kind of just like a few details here and there are barred from it, and the proximity in time is obviously so close, I think with the suitcase. But this could have been like its own full thing.

Yeah, it's really sad, and I think this just teaches us that no one should live in Las Vegas, if I'm being honest. Do not find love in Vegas, everybody? And what is so crazy about this? Kara Is and Hannah you know this better than anyone. The Just for Laughs Festival in Montreal is this big comedy festival, and there were people that had duys that weren't able to

It's pretty insane. I don't understand and.

How that happens even Yeah, I mean there's always like the first case that causes them to tighten everything up and figure it out. And this sounds like it was probably I mean not that reality TV started in two thousand and six when this was all going down, but it was still early ish days of reality TV.

Woo, what a story.

Okay, guys, we will be right back with our very special guests.

All right, everybody, special guest time.

I'm so excited to have this next guest on our show. If we are still counting, how our show is going to egot. This is one of our Emmy winners. He plays Grant McLaren in Netflix's Travelers. There are three seasons on Netflix, perfect for you to binge right now. He plays doctor Daniel Pierce in Perception on TNT, and you might know him as Will Truman from one of my favorite shows of all time, Will and Grace. Guys, please join us on our chat with Vance Shephard himself Eric McCormick.

We can't believe that you agreed to do this. This is amazing. We're so happy.

I'm delighted. I think it's a really funny idea.

And plus I'm free.

We're so blessed that everybody is free right now. We're getting a lot of fun people because no one is working.

I mean, no one is busy, no one's busy, and everyone has done the show.

Yeah, I mean.

Literally, yes, we have to start with abaying, if that's okay.

I don't know if this is an even appropriate first question.

But we got to talk about the scissor scene, you know, and then we'll get into everything else. But I'm just dying to know about the filming of that and just how all this. Yeah, I just want to know all about it.

I mean, you just got to slowly die in Elliott Stabler's arms, which I think a lot of our listeners would just love to have happen.

And so I was waiting for a big glove scene with Elliott. It was I mean, first of all, I assume everyone is listening has probably seen it. But it is a pretty it is a pretty damn good ending. Yes, it's pretty surprising. And I thought that girl was great until I was great, and and it was. I can't remember the special effects of it all, but it worked

They had to take a break because something would happened to the.

Camera and they have the SUPERSTRAI do walk away and I'm like, I'm I'm.

In blood here.

Did you love being in the jumpsuit? Terable costume? I have to assume very comfortable.

You don't have to, You don't to worry about what you eat for lunch. But orange is not my no, my colorgue, it's.

It's not my.

Best not the new black, as they say, now, not for me. So had you like leading up to doing this episode? Had you been because this is like a this is a real classic episode for a lot of our listeners, because I think because of the name of the company, Tasty Sugar, people are obsessed with like the how funny the website is and the name of it.

We're on the same network.

Her and Messing we're best friends, are best friends, so I had met her a few times, but I hadn't I hadn't watched the show a lot when I had this Simy, I was thinking about yesterday that the nature of the show really everyone's sort of working together agrees that rape is bad, and there's it's very rare that a disagreement amongst them about how you know. But this was a really interesting one because this wasn't about right,

Same page on No, that's so true, and we talked about that when we sort of recap the episode that yeah, Christine Latiez sort of like maybe in more old fashioned opinion about sex work right.

Well, Also, this episode is kind of a party episode for us view because there isn't like child abuse or rape. It is kind of one even though there is a group some murder. It is like a fun episode for us VU. It's like a silly one.

And the whole the whole thing of the two guys at the beginning doing the and.

They're hunting for the the geo cashing cashing.

Yeah, it was just was fun because of course you guys wants to talk about it all the time that whatever the opening scene is and how it has nothing to do with anything, but they kept that one going deep into that interrogation scene with those two guys.

Yes, yeah, and then they find a full other suspect and who has a perfect video of the crime being committed. You know, it's a it's a great show. Do you watch you whenever you're in stuff? Do you watch it?

Or are you one of those people who don't like to watch yourself and things?

It depends on the thing. I like to watch it less and less these days as one ages.

But I love my wife and I will will watch Will and Grace in bed just because it's like watching home movies or something.

But something like this.

I hadn't watched it in ten years. I watched it the other day because of this, and.

I thought it was fun. I mean, I didn't mind. I didn't mind it. I didn't mind it at all.

I did.

And yeah, I think it depends on the character. It depends on the script.

Okay, I have a child, You have a child. You don't have to answer this if this feels like a weird question. But in the context of the show, do you turn your kid in if your kid is guilty of murder or do you try to take the blame like what your character did?

Oh my kid, I'd read on him, so.

For sure I might actually I've read after this, make something up and call it, but no, actually, I had actually forgotten scissors and all. I'd forgotten about that aspect of it that I clearly from moment once stuff my own girlfriend into a suitcase to.

Protect my daughter.

Yeah, and also i'd also forgotten how much those two actresses look alike, which is really which is a turning point in the episode with the with the translation photograph.

But it's also like, oh.

It's a tough it's a tough move on that guy's part. For sure, that is tough.

What I also wanted to tell because and I'm sure versions of this, But the thing about a show like that is, unlike Sable and Grace, it doesn't matter how what guest stars we have, they're always going to write some pretty good stuff for Will and Grace and Jack and Karen.

But a cop show for ten twenty years, sometimes it's the.

Guest stars that have the best stuff and they just have to solve the crimes.

And it's I'm sure it was frustrating, but I had this great speech where I finally in the orange jumpsuit, I confess and meanwhile, my daughter's confessing.

At the same time.

And I remember doing it with Chris and he's sitting there looking all stabler and serious.

And I did a take in the directors like that's great, that's great. We do one more. And I did one more and I cried and said, ah, that's so great. And you know, Chris has been moved at all. And I just looked at it. I said, you've heard a lot of these, haven't you. You see two hundred and eighty five, And.

I thought, that's the heart freaking part about any cop show, any crime solving thing, is the confession speech is never yours. Yeah, always somebody else's. And also that the scene that Sailor has in the where he takes a girl out of Sugarcar.

Oh yeah, he goes undercover.

Undercover is a sugar daddy.

I mean, I don't know if this was like I mean, this is clearly it seems like how it was written, but you played it really well, just the sort of like Google CEO guy that's like, we're fun here, we'll do your dry cleaning.

And buy your new boobs.

Like I mean, like just the way that you're like, Okay, if I make this shot, everybody like making it about you and trying to be like fun guy boss at the same time.

I make this shot, everybody gets a new ass. Here we go.

Did anyone inspire you for that asshole boss school guy role?

Do you think of anybody specific when you were channeling?

Interesting question. I didn't.

I didn't have anybody I think really though it was was that two thousand and nine Yeah, shot, So Will Grace was like three years previous to that.

I think at that point, I was just I was.

Looking for anything that would be very different than Will and so that was just an opportunity to make him his slick and assholy.

And Yeah, we were talking about that because we were saying, like, even in this part, you kind of can't help but be a little bit funny, Like even though you are doing something very different from Will, like you are funny in it, Like you have funny parts.

And the wardrobe helped with that a lot of Yeah, with those lo v's.

And I and I the one thing in my life I would never do was it was where a necklace? But I said, this guy, this guy's got to have a necklace of some kind, you know, maybe.

Like a shark's too.

Yeah, your idea yeah, good info.

Good info.

Got to go a necklace. Another fun thing we should mention from this episode.

Yes is my lawyer? Yes, oh, yes, my.

Lawyer is Robert Klein, who becomes my mother's new husband, Grace.

I'm just connecting that now. Yes, he's like your stepfather.

He's my stepfather and he married Blythe Danner and today is Blythe Danner's birthday.

Happy birthday to my television mom.

Was that total coincidence?

Total coincidence? In fact? He then went on, So we did that episode. Then Deborah did her crime show, which was.

Called Mysteries of Laura Mystery.

I can say pictures of Lily.

Yes, filmed it in my neighborhood when I lived in New York, so I saw it all the time.

They did, right, so because I did an episode of that, yeah, as her old boyfriend episode. But Robert Clime was playing her dad on that serious It then comes in and it is her dad again, even though Alan Arkin had originally played that part in the first run, but we couldn't get Alan back Anyways, the many chases of Robert Klink.

Yeah, and he's an iconic actor as well comedy figure.

Love him.

Well, you went to High School, Scarborough.

Yeah, yes, so are you familiar with the Hamalkas. It was a case that we covered and one of their crimes took place in Scarborough. So I was going to like, I think you were long gone from there, but if you remember any of the media or any like any people in your life talking about.

It, it was it was actually very close to where I grew up, and I wasn't that long gone because I didn't really leave Toronto until eighty nine to ninety.

That's like exactly kind of what it was happening, I guess.

Yeah, so because I went to college in Toronto at Ryerson University and then I was always working in the theater. But coming back to Toronto, I definitely remember it was horrific and stunning.

Yeah it was. But another fun of a more fun thing about Scarborough.

Less murdering, less murdery is shitty than that is the number of people that you may or may not be aware that have come out of Scarborough.

I mean, I went to high school with Mike Myers.

Oh wow.

I went to high school with David Furnish, who is now married to Elton John. David and I did musicals together in high school. Jim Carrey, bar naked ladies, some of the kids in the hall.

So many celebrities from Canada. I didn't realize they were also concentrated to this area, but.

It is unbelievable they really are.

Scarborough has pretended, you know, it's just a sa I don't know which you compare it to Santa Monica or something.

It's unbelievable the number of people.

Is it like what?

I don't know Canadian geography very well. Forgive me, I haven't been too many times. But what is it the closest to Toronto.

It's a suburb of Toronto.

Oh okay, Yeah, we're proud of voice Scarberian roots.

Being a musical person, is there a musical part you would love to play that you haven't.

There's a few that I haven't.

I sort of have my main one I sort of have done on a v H one special years ago. But Frankenfurter from The Rocky hor would be my absolute favorite. And I'm getting a little long in the tooth for that. But I always wanted to play Shay in a Vita, which is the first Broadway show I ever saw. Again, at this point, you could either go with like a twenty five year old Latino guy or me. So I think probably, I think probably the deck is stats for that one. But I have got over the years, I've

So well, and then this is one of my favorite questions I like to ask, but it's a little silk. What is your favorite craft service snack, whatever, any of that ready for you.

I hope we can get back to a world where we have craft service today.

Yeah, working on the set now, it's just it's you can't do it.

I worked on a set recently where you know, it was very masked and protected, but you had to ask someone for everything you wanted.

There wasn't just like a table where you could graze.

So it really cuts back on how gluttonous you can be at the craft service table because you're like, may I please have a twizzler? And uh, you have to like ask for everything you want.

I think my favorite craft service.

It was just I did a show for three years with Rachel ye Cook called Perception, which was on TNT, and I was also solving crimes, but.

I was a professor.

But we every day they would have these unbelievable apple fritters, and you can't eat an entire apple fritter every day, uh, and still look the same by episode six.

So every day, Rachel, we.

Go to the table and kind of look at each other, well we could, I mean, if we each have a piece of it, we just negotiate a single apple fritter over the course of the.

Day, and it was heaven.

Oh my gosh.

My other favorite craft service story because on a sitcom, craft service and Pater we're kind of the same because you're not there long enoughticularly if Jim burrows his story. I think you're just not there long enough in the course of a day to have meals and a snack table. So when we the first run of Will and Grace, the woman in charge of all things was named Sandy, and Sandy's from the South, and she always had such elaborate things, and every day for lunch it was like heavy like barbecue.

After that day, and one.

Day I said, you know, Sandy, it's a little you know, like this is a show where you can see our bodies all the time, and I can't eat ribs all the time.

And she said, oh what was she like, a salad you want? I said, salad would be great. So the next day there was this salad with this warm dressing and I tried.

It was fantastic. I said, now that's more like, what is that dressing? And she said always, it's so easy. It's just it's just it's basically just baking it.

No, that's that doesn't help. I might as well have a fritter.

I love Sandy.

Yeah, you Sandy.

Oh my gosh, I just I'm like really still, I'm just so excited we got to talk to him. He's like one of my true I just love Will and Grace so much. It's really like a warm blanket for me.

And he's amazing that he watched the episode to prep a little bit. He has an amazing memory and he's just so charming. I was like fully like taken by him. I'm so fucking giddy. So what did we learn this episode, Liza? I would say more learnings. I would love to bring up Oh a Quick Estate.

Yeah.

Unfortunately this year, the Food Network just removed season twenty of Worst Cooks in America because the winner and her husband, this is fucked up. Obviously, we're arrested for allegedly like homicide by child.

Abuse of their three year old foss daughter, so three. Yeah, oh god, I thought the age was older. That's really terrible. They killed their child and it's the winner of the show. So yeah, it's like so it's like it was.

It was just a connection to that case where the that you know, reality TV is fucked up, Well everyone is. I don't know, I don't know what the lesson is here, but that it still happens and bad people are on television.

If you didn't know, I don't know.

Yeah, so go ahead and take Worse Cooks in America off your DVR, because I don't think that that's We're not watching that anymore.

And then someone was like, well that sucks for the people that were like, I'm gonna be on TV. And then it's like, oh, no, you're not.

Yeah, we thought we were taking you guys through one episode that didn't have anything to do with child death or rape, and just so you know, we squeezed it in at the end. So uh, But what we learned from this episode is youth is overrated. You don't need to actually a young dude. You don't need to like leave your wife and start dating someone your daughter's age to feel youthful. I think there's a lot of other things you can do, get botox, pick up, kite surfing.

I also would like to say I learned if if there's a plan on how to get rid of the body, follow through on the plan. Don't just throw the body on the tracks like she went, go to Florida, commit you know, go all the way. It seems weird to try to get away with a crime. Only eighty percent when you deviate from the plan, you get caught. I think we've learned that, yes, sure, yeah.

And if you're into geocashing, you need to take a deep breath and just calm down.

You're you.

You don't need to be in old subway tunnels and not caring that you just found a woman's dead body and only care about.

A yo yo that you need to find.

I think I would like to say, if your boss is buying you tit and plans, maybe his characters in questions.

Something's up, something's up up. You're going to be expected to do a lot if your boss gets you implants. But also we want to know if anyone please write to us if you have had a job that has let you have paid for your plastic surgery.

I'd love to hear about it.

Well, I would love this to happen to me, actually, but I'm going to try to listen to my own advice here. Don't get married within forty eight hours of meeting somebody. Oh yes, the real case, Oh god, yeah, forty eight hours.

You gotta wait. You gotta wait a week, you know, you get to wait a long time.

Wait, wait some time, and find inner peace in your life that you're not looking for so many external like validation things like you're not looking for money or a Mercedes or to be on television for your happiness, because it'll never fully fulfill you. So make sure you're working on yourself inside out.

And if the cops are approaching you on your boat and you're smoking a joint, you should not try to shoot a flairgun at them, and try to escape on a dinghy like it's just a joint. You're going to be okay. I'm sure you'll you'll be fine, like weed charges are. I just don't think that that was that's a great move. And also I've learned I'm happy to go on a date with Stabler as my sugar daddy.

Sorry, oh yeah, was that a a new thing you learned just now? Yes, just because you know what I liked about it.

He didn't know about he didn't know the ins and outs, so he was like what does that mean? He was like very vulnerable as the sugar daddy, and I liked that. That was like a part of Stabler you don't usually get.

Also, if the cops come to question you about a person using your internet service, don't then delete their profile, like, don't give them more evidence.

Like that to me was crazy where it's like why you know that they know that you're a part of it, Like what are you doing? Come on, come on vance.

If you own the url tastysugar dot com, you're smart. Congratulations.

Also, if you are looking for a sugar baby, I'm available. I need a car.

And that's all I learned from this, very very Tasty sugary episode. Okay, everybody, it's time for what would Sister Peg Do? This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards resources, articles, organizations that can shed more light on a topic that we've covered in today's episode. Obviously,

The majority of them being Asian.

Which this is something we touched on a couple of weeks ago with our counselor its Chinatown episode, and we were talking about how hate crimes against the Asian American community have skyrocketed. So this is a obviously horrific turn of events. But we'd like to direct you guys to an organization called Red Canary Song. Their website is Red Canary Song. Lisa and I have donated to them. They are a grassroots collective that works solely from grants and donations.

Like the points a lot of social media posts I've seen have made is like why are we listening to what this guy says. It's like he said it wasn't racist, so let's believe him, And it's like, right, what planet are we living on? Yeah, and what why are police excusing a mass murderer and giving reasons why he did it.

Know, yeah, and it has now fully escalated and people are getting assaulted on the streets and murdered, and we.

Definitely have to people need to be talking about this and we need to call it what it is.

I mean, this is not The cop who gave the press conference yesterday was like, this is just a guy who had a really bad day, Like fuck you, Like, do you know how many women have bad days and don't murder people? Like it's just not that's just not an okay way to frame it. And like I got into an argument with my husband because he was like, okay, but why are we focusing on the words of like a stupid cop, Like let's just get this guy and figure out what he did, like why he did it,

Yes, And it's also the sympathy that we give white mass murderers that we don't give to I don't know a black man selling cigarettes outside of bodega that's choked to death, you know what I mean. And so it's like we're giving humanity to a fucking killer that we refuse to give to anybody else.

I think that's why it's important.

And unless you're a forensic psychologists, why do we need to understand this?

Motherfucker?

Yeah?

What is I don't understand this in need of like, well, why did he do it?

It doesn't matter the people he killed don't fucking care what he thought happened.

I mean, it's just it's really upsetting.

And I know, like what leads to it is I used to for sure do funny Asian jokes, like I was very into pushing the line of comedy and being edgy and like we've all kind of been there. And I remember someone said, like, instead of focusing on these bad jokes, you made like focus on why you felt so comfortable making fun of the Asian community and why it's so accepted, And that really changed everything for me.

It's like, well, why where do these jokes come from? Right?

Why would you feel comfortable making that joke about this community but not that community?

Like what does that say?

About Yeah, totally, it's definitely something good to examine.

And on Twitter, Robin Trand posted one of her old jokes and it's like the movies about the Vietnam War a so fucked up where it will be like a shot of all these dead Vietnamese people and then a close up of a white soldier being like, oh no, it's like, what, like do we have to feel sorry for Tom Cruise now? And then she's like, can you

And then this is a little bit of a pivot.

But I know in the past we've asked you guys to write letters to the parole board for Cameron Hooker and Craig Pyre, and I checked in since March was when the hearings are happening, and I just want to say I found no information on Craigs. But Cameron Hooker's hearing is March thirtieth, and so you still have time after hearing this, if you can write a letter to the pro board and the governor to make sure that he has not released do it for Colleen stan because the month is not over you.

Yeah, and if you can, just everybody try to do your best to look up some articles, figure out, talk to people, tweet, donate whatever you can do to just get the message out there that the Asian American and Pacific islander communities have been greatly affected in this past year and probably for years previous. But you know, it is an escalating trend right now that is upsetting and terrible. Hey, guys, thanks for listening today. Our episode next week is going

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