Plastic w/ Mark Feuerstein

Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. I am one of your hosts, Kara Klink, and I'm Lee is a Tragger and we talk SVU crimes and we have celeb guests and we're so thrilled. But also, what's up, John Oliver? Why were we not used as a source. I didn't even watch it.

I'm pissed.

You guys know we're in the time machine as always because of you know, the way that our release schedule works. This obviously came out a little while ago, but John Oliver did a full deep dive segment about the Law and Order universe, the Dick Wolfe universe, I would say, and a lot of people messaged us. Nobody really seemed mad.

I think he was talking about Dick.

Wolf at large, regular Law and Order, Criminal Intent SVU. Then there's all the Chicago pds and FBI, and it's undeniable that he is a cop guy. He likes cops, he likes law enforcement. He wants stories where the cop win in the end, you know. But I was telling Alyssa, I was like, if you watch SVU, and we talk about this on our podcast all the time, it's like everyone knows. It's like a fantasy number one number two.

Of course that's possible.

And he was showing all these clips to support himself that were like clips from the nineties, clips from of Sam Waterston being like, yeah, they're trying to defund us. We're under attack, like you know, and it's like that's not SVU. Like SVU is a show that has helped so many people like overcome their own trauma, get out of a bad situation, like learn self defense, and like

Yeah.

But and also I mean, obviously Dick Wolf is a major part of cop loving. But it's like that's a procedural. It's like we need lawyers, we need doctors, we need cops. That's what we watch. That's like all people watch. Oh yeah, but he was.

Like he was basically also saying that the show has spread a lot of misinformation about law enforcement, like that you know, cases always close or cases always go to trial, when like, in reality, only like three percent of cases go to trial, and like Stabler is known to have a ninety seven percent conviction rate when in reality, like sixteen percent conviction rate is like the best a cop

Like this is a TV show. Yeah, but one time months ago, I was on Twitter and this conversation came up. John Oliver is not unique, and I told someone, I was like, everyone knows it's a fantasy, and they responded, I don't think so, And I go, you're actually right, Like we're pretty nuanced watchers, and I feel so are

John Travolta being gay didn't even cross for universe.

So it's like, did you ever get to sorry, did you ever get to tell a person that Ellen DeGeneres was a bad person?

No?

She doesn't really come up in my.

Life, no, I know.

But like if you just tell like a regular friend like oh, she's not good, she's like not nice to people, they're like what, like you know, it's just funny, like how yeah, John Travolta being gay So funny to talk.

To your mom about, Like she no way, no way, not being barbarino. But everything is like you don't if you're not in in it, and we're pretty light in it, like, yeah, I guess you would believe pr or you would believe what's happening or these Like I used to watch the late night talk shows. I didn't realize they were on there to promote something.

Yeah, I just thought you go on to chat.

Like I didn't even click in my brain that, like you're paid to do this because you have to promote a movie, like or yeah, yeah, totally, so if you're not really thinking about that. The other thing that he does.

Everything he does say, look, I know it's a TV show and if it was completely realistic, it would be boring. But he says Grey's Anatomy doesn't go on their show saying that, you know, vaccines cause autism and you know all this medical misinformation, and it's like, yeah, but do you think Grey's Anatomy doesn't convince people that doctors are trust All doctors are trustworthy, all doctors know exactly what's wrong with you immediately, doctors aren't racist.

Like of course that's a fantasy too of the healthcare system, like that I feel, you know, like just plaining medicine would be pretty boring to Yeah.

Yeah, so it's like comparing them is like silly, Like I don't think the show is I think he has, you know, some good points, like and you know we we know Dick Wolf loves cops, Like we know that, so you know, we are sort of suspending that our disbelief about that so that we can enjoy the show because we like these characters, and these characters are you know, part of the fantasy.

So yeah, this is like onto the next but it reminded me of this. But like there is a new thing on the internet where people will be like and this character's bad, and it's like we're allowed to watch things about bad people. Yeah.

I don't know why things have to be real.

That's why it's movies and TV, right, That's what my dad he hates sci fi because he's always like that's not real and it's like who gives a shit. It's like so Psycho No, but it's like Dexter Nurse Jackie, like shows about people that are like deeply flawed but are also like lovable and interesting and like yeah, it's just crazy anyway, but yeah, like bad people, like yeah,

That's not real.

Yeah, But because I spend so much time on the Internet, it's hard to break that apart.

And yes, Like we were just talking on the other podcast about the Little Mermaid trailer that dropped and how everyone's outraged, and I was like, but is everyone outraged or is this just like what blogs are picking up to talk about, you know, like I think that movie's probably still gonna make millions of dollars.

Like I don't think we need to worry, you know. Yeah, racism sucks, it really does. It's like she's so good, Like she looks beautiful to be that.

Like dumb and hateful, so weird when someone sounds that good.

Yeah, she's said.

Everyone that's talked about her singing on set has burst into tears. The director said she was the first to audition, and he burst into tears, and seven people were crying. Melissa McCarthy was on watch what happened? And Andy was like, how is filming? And she goes, I heard that her singing. I was fully in tears, and everyone on set was stopping and hysterically crying. And it's like everyone on set is hysterically crying. Can we just like say she's good?

An incredible show. I definitely cried multiple times.

I would love to see Gaga one of these days. But it's so weird now that we're older. Every like people are younger than us. I went to get my eyebrows done and I was like, so, are you a Gaga fan? She does?

Oh yeah.

I went to a concert in twenty twelve. I was in high school and I was like, oh, weird, it's just so strange. Yeah.

I was listening to this podcast the other today about where they were having this conversation like do you think that younger kids like really love Beyonce or do you I think that's like such a millennial thing, like that millennials are obsessed with Beyonce and it's not really like the gen z I don't care as much.

And I was like, I don't know the answer to that. I have no idea, but we're we're what the ads are like, did no one take an advertising course in college? Like what you want is the twenty two to like thirty five, right and then thirty five so forty Like it's like, yeah, we make the decisions. That's the whole point. You get old and then advertising.

You for Yeah you have the money bit, Yeah it's for us. Beyonce is for us, deal with it. No, I don't know.

I don't think my like gen Z knows about Britney Spears and like what she meant to us. They don't know who the Backstreet Boys are, Like I don't I don't think they understand what I'm like, Holy shit, I got we got to see the Backstreep Boys like they care. Yeah, I can't believe in many concerts I've seen this year, it's pretty exciting. You're really like busting out into the concert street Gaga. I want to see Moona and Noah Cyrus. We'll see if that happens. Hmm, we'll see. Is that

Oh?

Well, I've watch I started watching Indian Matchmaking. I like it.

But we could start this episode.

Yeah good, it's wait before we start, Before we start. We did see Christopher maloneyum merccarite at the Emmys, they did have a big Emmy moment where she took her shoes off and like ram through the whole like hall, and it was pretty funny. And then like when she got on stage, Christopher Maloney was gonna hand her an Emmy, she goes, I'm good, I have two, and it was so funny.

I loved that. And it makes me uncomfortable. I'm gonna admit this to everyone. I can't watch them when they're not acting like they're I don't like make me uncomfortable. I don't.

I think that they're trolls. I think they're trolling all of you. I think you're never going to see them kiss ever. I'm so sorry for people that like ship them. I just don't think they're ever going to give you what you want. They almost kissed on the show. They did a whole thing where they leaned in like they were going to kiss, and the crowd went wild, and I'm sure everybody was like like in their pants, you know,

It's just like, are they swinging with their Like I don't, I don't get it.

I'm sure that their spouses are like best friends with each other and they like do Hampton's barbecues and shit, that's all like a joke. They're playing it up because honestly, that makes you watch the show more, you know.

But that's it.

I don't know.

It makes me so uncomfortable that I don't watch their interviews. I was watching Lonnie Love interview them on the Red Carpet and then immediately she's like, and what about what are the chances of Olivia and Elliot? I'm like, get me out of there. And they're always touching each other like for they just make me like the It's like extreme sincerity in this creepy way that I can't handle. But I love that, you said. She's like, oh, I got to like I love that. I'm glad you know

Like and did you guys book your flights together so you could hold hands and take this photo so that everybody could think that you guys travel together because you're really in love as people like, it's just funny, Like.

The demoise said that people who saw them said that they have such best friend vibes and that they were like together all night having fun. I mean, when we meet and hang out with them, we'll let everyone know, but yeah, we'll let you know what happens.

Because the other thing, it's like, yeah, like never forget that they're they both seem extremely happily married, like obsessed with their spouses, So I don't think that they're you know, it's like it's definitely the care they're playing the characters when they're out at pretending to kiss.

See, that's why it's so I don't know why people believe anything.

The pr is so strong.

Yeah, so hard.

But har looked the best I'd seen her look in years. She looked so snatched and gorgeous, like she just looked really beautiful, like skin perfect, like really really good on the red carpet.

Wait, another Internet moment, How do you feel about Jimmy Kimmel with quick to Bronson's acceptance speech. How do you feel about that story? And he like that that he just lied there. I think it's annoying and fucked.

I think he should have gotten up. But yeah, maybe he was like, I gotta commit to the bit. Maybe he thought Quinta would play around with it. It was like for comedy writing.

I don't know sure, but it's like now he's on the bottom of every photo of her accepting her Emmy, Like, yeah, because that's the whole thing where he didn't mean.

To do it. Their friend.

She's gonna be on his show today and whatever. We'll see how she reacts to him. And she did talk to the press about it, Like I love Jimmy, he's like a god whatever. But I think that's the point where it's like he didn't mean to do it. That's just what whiteness lets you do, Like it makes you think it's fine. Like I think that's the point where it's like he wasn't malicious. He's not some like lunatic, I don't think, but he didn't even think about it.

I don't know.

Maybe he's a great guy in person. I never met him.

I don't know.

Show, but he definitely was quoted during times up stuff, being like, are you sure we've gone too far? Like he's definitely, Like I don't know. I just think laying there thinking that you're fan and the bit didn't work, bitch, Like it didn't work. You're the godfather of comedy and you don't realize the bit didn't work. Roll over, go away to be in every photo of her speech, Like that's so annoying to me. I saw some people on the internet edit it out out him out, so she.

Can there we go, she can see him, she can have some clean copies. And a really quick update about our Texas shows that we had to reschedule in Houston and Dallas. We have rescheduled them. So the dates that were originally supposed to be the twenty eighth and twenty ninth of September now we will be in Houston at the Houston Improv on December thirteenth, and we will be in Dallas at the Addison Improv on December fourteenth. So thank you guys so much. If you have tickets, they'll

To see you guys.

Okay, let's get our episodes started today. We have a great guest, a great episode, and don't go anywhere.

All right, We're doing Plastic Life's Fantastic Season twenty, episode eleven. I'm very excited for this one. It starts off with some like fun not copywritten disco music, I would say, And we're at a party. Someone is vaping, two girls are making out, So this is a cool party. This is a trend.

Svuh thinks two girls making out means wild ass party.

Yeah, yeah, and just the vaping is so of our times, like this is obviously a current episode. Then walks in Mark Foyerstein, one of my favor actors and a public Jew that is cool, I would say, a nice famous Jew. And he's with a woman that's taller than him, so we can assume that he is wealthy. He likes what he sees at the party and he's like, wow, gorgeous crowd. And then one woman walks by and he goes for

They like each other.

So then they make out a little bit, and then she says, let's mingle. They do a sexy look at each other and they start moving through the party, and the camera pans to the hostess of the party and she's making the most disgusting drinks. I have a blue mule with blue serka what is it? Coca curas Yeah, with moscow, Like why I think, I mean to me, blue cirasaw doesn't taste like much, so it's truly just to make it look blue. But like I don't really know are but the moscow mules are in the copper

Yeah, everyone's to be hot.

And it's like because I just watched someone mix a drink called like sexy Mermaid and it's like orange and blue. Look at that, you know, but you can't even see it. Yeah, that is like that is like so true. The copper mug makes the blue part completely mood and it's a house party, Like why would you want blue stains on your house? It should just be vodka sodas forever. Like I just don't get it.

It's also confusing to me that this woman is very rich because she has this gorgeous apartment and she's like making the drinks herself. She's like carrying trays of drinks like all like you know, all haired and like, oh god, my tray of drinks. And it's like you would have a bartender. I know, people less wealthy who get bartender.

No.

When I first started writing, I wrote the bartender is making drinks, and then later I had to go back and edite and be like, oh.

I guess it's the hostess.

Like I guess it's a very wealthy woman, like that's mixing blue drinks. I just it was insane to me, but.

And it doesn't. It's just it reminds me of like.

Pucker Yes apple teenis. So she's making these blue, disgusting drinks for her so called friend. It's a black sparkle dress, blonde hair, and the blonde girl's like, damn, all of your friends are so hot and she's like, yeah, I get out there.

It's cuffing season.

Go fuck. And then there's like a hottie with an accent, and so the blonde girl starts talking to this like dude with an accent, and then you know the camera is panning throughout the party. So then Mark foyer Stein walks up to the host and offers to help tre and we find out her name is Trina. He asks, hey, do you need some help passing the tray of mules around and he gives her a sexy French bottle of wine and she's like, oh, oh wow, thanks, and he takes the tray and he's out there.

Now the blonde.

Isn't it Italian? Sure? Well, she just says I love Italian reds Oh yeah, why I remembered it?

Oh yeah, I believe it.

So and then it's like, uh oh, the blonde is having a hard time functioning, and she's in the bathroom mirror and she's drinking like water from the sink and splashing water on her face, so we could tell she's not doing well. And then a really tall pretty woman walks in and it's the woman who is with Mark, and she's like, hey, babe, are you okay? And the blondie' is like, oh, you know, too many Moscow mules. She says, well,

It's like a teen.

Party, like truly, like five separate people. It's not even one big orgy. Like everyone's just like throughout her bedroom looking up. And so she kicks everyone out, and the hottie with the accents in there from earlier, and Trina asks the guy like, where is Ava? And he's like who, And she's like, the girl you were dancing and chatting with, where is she? And he's like, oh, she was waisted and left. So now we cut to Ava and she's disheveled as fuck. She's getting she's like almost getting hit

Thank god, it's a gay couple. And wait did I tell you this that?

So last time, remember we stayed at that resort thing in San Diego when we did my drop, So I was there doing stand and while we were there, there was like a guy that was freaking the shit out of me at night.

Did I already tell you this?

No?

He like walked up and he thought our liquid deaths were beers. And this guy just walked up. I could tell he was drunk and he was just standing over us, and I was like, I want to get away, but Molly was like drunk, so like they couldn't they ate and I was high, so I was up paranoid and shit and mollyless. No. They were like, oh, let's just walk this way. I go. No, the guy's over there, you can like, wa, He's fine. I'm like, he's not fine, he's fucking creepy.

It's night. I'm scared.

Yeah. But then we walked and then we saw a guy who worked at the resort, so I was like, hey, can you like walk us to our building? I don't really feel safe. I saw a guy I wasn't really into, and then he ended up being a creep, touched my lower back and tried to walk us into the room, and Molly pretended we had a fake other room and we're like okay, thank you bye, And it was like I can't believe the person we look too for help in a uniform was actually also a creep that was touching.

Everybody's disappointing. I mean that's scary. This scene is really scary. Like this scene like is like the way they shoot it and you're like kind of at her POV and it's like out of control and you're just like somebody helped me, Like I've thank god, I've like never been that drunk in New York City where but like that just feels or not drunk, like drugged or fucked up, you know, like that just feels so scary.

Well yeah, and so with the buzzer too, I was like, who knows who Who's going to open this buzzer? Yeah, And so when I saw it was just like lovely gay men, I'm like, okay, cool. And that's why it reminded me of like just going to ask for someone for help and then they're the fucking psychopath. Like it was just annoying. And it was annoying having to convince like a drunk person who wanted to have fun that

It was.

Not my favorite. And then he was like, oh, I'm going back to my room, and then he didn't. He just stood like ten feet away from us, just standing there. Yeah. I was like, I just wanted to lay by the pool and smoke weed at night and chit chat about our fun lives. And then it was like, I guess we have to rush to our rooms anyway, protect ourselves from creeps. Yeah. So anyways, two old gay men. One is like, you got the wrong house. And then he

Well, we just did do that episode where they talked about like the actual number of ounces of semen in the stomach and that was a lot too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, this the semen's in the throat and mouth and they're gonna run DNA. They meet her in her hospital room and she's like, I don't do drugs. They're like, maybe someone slipped you something and she's like I like I don't. I don't really know. So we find out, you know, like the host is actually her

So they're like, where was the salt? When was the salt?

What's up? And she's like, I do not know. I woke up in a strange bed. My ankles were tied, and she untied them and just started to run. She said that he smelled sweet like Gucci Rush, and she said it made her think of high school.

Do you know Gucci Rush?

I don't know the scent of it, but I never heard of it. When I think of like high school sense or college sense. On men, I think of aquadigio. Yeah, that's yeah, that's what I think of.

And on women, I probably think of like, I don't know, something like I don't know, something different that a lot of gals wore.

What did a lot of girls wear? Like?

I don't know.

It depends on the time per.

Well, I don't know.

I remember the gap body spread were really big. But if you junior high, like I used the Dream one dream and the Heaven I liked as well. And then there was grass and then there was om. There was like a bunch of them.

I love sense like I could talk about sense I wore. I was obsessed with Betsy Johnson's perfume. She discontinued it, and it's like I still to this day would buy a bottle of it if I could find it, like I loved it so much. And then you know, never forget sunflowers in like eighth grade.

You might be too young for that. Oh iower and one one and I was thinking like cool water. Oh yeah, it was big, dave it off. But I've recently rebought my the juicy perfume and it's so good. And I love the Abercrombie eight.

Yeah. Fun sense fun, fun times to be alive. Do you even wear perfume?

Now you do? Oh?

Yeah I do.

I have like a very signature perfume that people recognize. What is it?

It's called the brand is called Toka t Occa. They sell them Sephora and stuff, and then they have like a line of women's names and minus Stella.

Interesting.

I can't just like say it's called Stella because then people think it Stella McCartney, which is also a lovely fragrance, but it's not mine.

Yeah.

I love the marching.

I mean yeah, we're My mom got a perfume every like Mother's Day, birthday, Christmis was like, yeah, fucking romance, Ralph Lauren, here's adultcha light blue, get up their faces.

I got.

I got my mom via Wang perfume a few Christmases ago.

Yeah, we're big into sense. I do love perfume anyway, So Gucci Rush is the one that reminded her good clue and then she goes, oh wait it was hers. Oh she smelled, And then she's like finally starting like remember the scent brought her back to the place, and she says that it was a couple and the couple was taking turns. It was a man and a woman. She starts to cry, they both raped me. Dramatic music into the credits. Sorry, I do feel bad. We went

That never happens.

I feel like we always come back from the credits to the squadroom. So we're at Trina's apartment getting the scoop. She says, oh god, that's awful. She did find that Ava's person phone were under a table last night, so that's obviously suspicious that she like left without those things. It was so crowded she didn't even see her much. She feels like she didn't even know half the people at the party. They bring up the man with the accent Lee and she's like, no, he didn't assault her,

So she hands over the wine.

Finn is leading the meeting in the squad and he's filling them in on Lee, who was also full of drugs and is an out of work actor, which I love.

Oh my god.

Someone said the funniest thing to me yesterday. They go, you watch Law and Order for business and Housewives for pleasure or something like that. I don't know. I really loved it. So anyways, so DNA no match. But you know, Lee did give up his DNA, which I think is a good sign. And it's like, I don't think it's him if he was so willing to give up his sperm. So now, since the wine is so expensive, the company keeps all the ideas of people who buy this wine.

Here?

I think he's playing not a jew? Okay, gotta tell ya. And he's not just a doctor, but he's a celeb plastic surgeon, king of Mommy Makeovers and does reality TV and does the talks show Circuit, so he's out there just like a regular old doctor.

Oz.

His girlfriend is Sadie Parker, and she owns Sadie's Sugar Shack, which is designer cupcakes. So let's see if ava can make an ID. So she finds the doctor and she's like, yes, yes, yes, and Creasy's like, are you sure maybe recognize him from TV? And she's like, I don't watch TV. I don't even own a TV. So she's now annoying, and so she also then recognizes the girl and that she was so

I've been to Saturday Night Live after after party on Grove Street. There was like a club called like forty nine Grove or something that they used to always have after after parties at Yeah, you know, beautiful neighborhood.

Of course I don't know what.

Like usually I see the streets and don't know, but Grove Street, I was like, what the fuck is that? You know?

I only know it from being there at four in the morning being like can I come in?

But it is like the village does have all these little cute like cherry lay like all the commer like they're all these tiny streets and if he lives here, like this is joke. If he has a townhouse on a five block long street, are you fucking kidding me? This is an ancient street. So he's calm, he's confident. He's like, wow, they sent the big guns. When Olivia introduces herself and he's like, we can put this to bedfast. I mean, sex can become complicated. But she's like, well,

I'd be down.

We won't say the name of the person, but one of our friends is fucking these botox a botox couple, and so he gets injections and then they like they all fuck, oh, well that's nice. Yeah, I thought you'd like that. I want a two stop shop. That's great. So Rollin's here is pregnant as hell, and she of course sides with the creeps like he is hot and famous and rich and she is a model, so yeah, I'm sure people want to fuck them all the time.

You're an idiot.

You don't put illegal stuff with your legal stuff, you dumb bitch. So he goes he finds weed, but even the weed has a prescription, so what the fuck? And then Careese's loser ass finds like chains and leather and stuff, and he's like, well, what happened to champagne and candy? And it's like, you want to fuck with candy? Like I don't understand what you want, Like we're talking different like times of activities, you know what I mean. Andy's

Yeah? Like yeah, putting dots in their buttholes?

Okay. So Carisi then finds thumb drives and corresponding notebook with the number on the drive. So and with each drive number there's like five women's names under it. So then we watched the rapes on an iPad. The whole squad is watching these videos go back for over a decade,

Like, okay, I guess that's that.

Of course, the attorney walks into the interrogation room like are you fucking ing me? And Finn is like, we have a video of her, and she's too passed out to consent, so that is rape on tape. Then they show the iPad and it's another video of a woman passed out and him on top of her, and he's like, nah, she's pretending to be asleep. Her name is Melissa non Chuk and she fantasizes about being a living doll and

No?

I don't really think like a show would have that person on, But I guess we're supposed to assume since he's so powerful and he has connections that he just was like, Hey, let me go on your morning show and talk about how I like to have threesomes and didn't rape anyone. Like it is wild, like to think you'd be on like Good Day New York like talking about.

Because what lawyer would suggest that? Yeah, like yeah, and then this motherfucker, Heath the doctor slips up, but I think on pers on purpose and he says Ava's name out loud and then Ava's wildly there to yell at them.

So she was live watching it.

I'm teleported right at the moment where her name was said on the TV and she's like, people are calling me, they're vilifying me online and TV, and you know that I'm looking for a payoff. I don't want to pay off. I'm done. I'm done, and I don't want to press charges. No, she doesn't have a TV. How'd you even see it?

Bitch?

Just kidding. She's a victim. We love her. She was like at a bar walking by, like a TV store or something that was happened, or she was like in the audience of the morning TV show wildly like today and then saw it happening. Dramatic music plays. Cariesy knocks on Benson's office and runs in and says, I think I found something on this son of a bitch on his computer and it's gonna be a damning video. So

Little Heath Bar.

So they obviously like assumed that they were tight since she had like a nickname, But she said that they that she had a boyfriend the whole time, So it's like, then, why are you calling him your little Heath Bar. I don't understand what's going on here. She was obviously flirting with him, but she had a boyfriend.

Yeah, that's just I don't like the nickname vibe of it.

Yeah, but she dated a contractor with dirt under his fingernails, which she liked just to yeah, just what every woman wants, like a dirty finger like figure out.

Like I just I don't get it.

And she said the contractor like wistfully and I didn't know that was like a classic sexy job, but like I get it. But she was like, oh and he was a contractor, Like I've just never heard that. Yeah, like a guy who can hang my shelves. You know, well I've heard that people like someone that can hang shelves.

And on the who was on this show where they were talking about how he hung my TV in five minutes?

Oh, sheina sche on vantacomp.

She just kept saying he hung my TV in five minutes about her boyfriend go on.

Oh my god, she's so sick in the head. Whatever.

So he did not take rejection.

Well, she explains that he sat her flowers candy once she went to his place to study, and he had a said like there was a five course meal ready for her and a super expensive bottle of red wine, and the place was near the lake and she lives out there, so she's down to like have them follow her. She's going to show you where Heath was living during medical school. So it cuts back to the MVP of

Thank you so much, and.

You know, he's like, we've been praying for it our whole lives since she was gone. But seven years ago, on her birthday, they had a fake funeral for her to help with some closure, but it didn't really help at all. And he's just glad that his wife's dead. So she didn't see what it was on the iPad. So now we're at a title card that says home of Tamara Kimball. So we're at Wappinger's Falls, New York. It's December nineteenth, so close to Christmas. There was no snow.

Help us?

And they asked him. They ask about Heath, and she says, yeah, he used to live here. Her husband and her had just split up because he ran off with the lawyer's assistant and the house had way too many memories, so she decided she would rather stay at her sister's house in Philly. So she put on ad out and Heath was the first person to answer it, and so she rented it to him. Chrisy asked, did anyone ever move in here with him? And she asks, like a girl,

Biscuit?

Biscuit.

We just got a new skeleton today that has a little succulent coming out of its head and it's doing a yoga pose and she wants to name it lentl suit.

It's so cute.

When is she had lentil soup. She used to eat lentil soup all the time and then she stopped.

It's like one of the only ways I got her, Like, you know, good grains and protein and vegetables.

I miss her anyway. So they rip open the panel, a skeleton falls out, just for drama. I'll say it again, but in a casual voice. I don't know it is dusty. It is kind of wild and so creasy, says I guess we know what happened is Cec Taylor. And then this woman comes back down and like she's holding tea, the mugs crack, everything fall. She starts screaming and she's just like oh my god, oh my god. And the men seem unaffected by her trauma, like they didn't warn

Now we're back to the elevator. The door's open.

Benson, Creasy and Fan and walk off the elevator to fill in their captain. He sprayed lie down there to cover the smell, and obviously a medical student would know that. So then Crease, he's like, we got to get him, you know, like, we have the video, we have the bones. Bada bing a, bada boom. Let's fucking get this guy. And Rollins gets off the phone and says, not so fast. The emmy just called and ran the DNA from the bones against the hairs from a hair brush the father

Oh yeah.

I wonder if it's one iPad for the whole thing, or if they had a lot of iPads lying around, like where their stunt iPads where they're like iPads and other places, or were they like like bringing the iPad to the woods, to the house, to the hospital, like where, Like I just want to know how many iPads it took to film this scene to this episode. So yeah, so then suddenly it's another iPad moment. They keep doing tricks. Honestly,

And then it like hits him.

He's like, whoa, how the fuck do you know where I live during medical school? And she says, I'm glad you asked me that your old friend Luis took her colleagues there, and the music starts to evoke like, oh is he getting scared? Like he's getting scared. He knows he's about to get fucked because like they know the house he lived in, So then it shifts to the skeleton picture in the room with Benson and Sadie and she's like, you think Heath killed someone and she's like, yes,

Which she remembers because the father said what the hay, which is a weird sentence.

Oh is that why?

That's what strikes her is because the dad goes the dad goes, well, what the hell or something, and I remember being like, what the hey, and then she says it. And that's when Benson's like, oh, fuck, you just said the same thing.

Oh. I didn't catch that. I thought it was because of like, you're not gonna prove it. I thought that was the the like zinger, Oh that's son. It was the what the hey. Oh my god, that's so fucking cool. I wonder, okay, so that so yeah, because my next note because I'm like, I wonder if she rethinks saying the sassy line. But it wasn't even that. It was just this saying, damn, Benson is so good. So Benson's like, you're the girl in the video and she says, that's ridiculous.

They should have given him a heads up. She's crying. She's very ashamed.

She says, Daddy, I'm sorry, and he hugs her and he's so happy to hug her, and they both cry and hug and he says it's okay, and she keeps apologizing, and then her and Benson make eye contact and you can tell this case like really hit Benson and her eyes are wet and now it is Dick Wolf. Great job, Lisa, thank you for taking us through that. That whole thing.

The end of this episode was kind of confusing me because I was kind of like, when are they gonna get him? Like it didn't really feel like they ever had like a gotcha moment with him. They just kind of focused on like her reunion moment with the dad. But whatever you guys want to do, but don't go anywhere, because there is a real case and it is wild. Okay, we are back and you maybe have heard about this case.

Unlike this the episode Roba Show is not a plastic surgeon.

He's an orthopedic surgeon and he is said to have worked He says he has worked on sponsored athletes, so I guess he's kind of like tries to build himself up as this like hot shot orthopedic surgeon.

And on SVU he was kind of.

Portrayed like a Terry Dubrow, right, like a reality star plastic surgeon from Botched or something. But in actuality, this guy robis Show was on one episode of a Bravo show called The Online Dating Rituals of the American Male, which followed like him searching for a girlfriend, and so it sounds like he was basically on one episode of Millionaire Matchmaker in a sense, and all of the articles about him are like Bravo star doctor, and it's like he's not a Bravo star, Like this man is not

Has a girlfriend.

Her name is Crissa Riley. In twenty eighteen, she's thirty

Okay, Burning Man's going on right now. Now it's over because all the posts have come on. Oh it just ended, and I'm yeah, bacause their socials now everyone's posting the photos. They act like they're so above us for a week, but then they need to share. They can't be post as soon as they get back.

Yeah.

Yeah. Joelkim Booster was there, most Shakasher was there.

That's all. That's all.

Yeah, I'm drinking iced tea.

He wrote that his camp gave everyone iced tea.

Oh that's nice.

You're supposed to.

Like trade stuff. There was like a girl that I know that when it's a burning Man and I think this is so cool. She like wore what are those things that hold bullets on your body like Rambo bullet holders.

Yeah, but instead of bullets, it.

Was chapsticks and she would give people chapsticks. Pretty nice.

That's pretty good.

That's nice. So okay, So these this couple. Now, I don't like the idea of doctors being a burning man though, Like it upsets me, like I don't need you on ecstasy in the desert, like I need you and the I need you at home. Yeah, these people seem like that. I don't know.

I don't know.

They were on the lookout for people to join them in the bedroom, just like in the episode. This was in twenty eighteen when they were finally charged, but they came to the attention of authorities in October of twenty sixteen, when a neighbor of the doctor called the police having heard a woman's scream. The woman said that they had all been drinking at a Newport Beach bar until she

I don't know why.

Maybe there just like wasn't enough proof that it was non consensual or whatever. And then in April of twenty seventeen. The following year, a woman said she met the couple at a restaurant. They invited her back to They invited her to a party. They all went to this party,

I believe that.

Then the Attorney General's office started investigating them around twenty seventeen, but they were not formally charged until twenty eighteen. So on January ninth of twenty eighteen, police searched Robo Show's home and found firearms, tons of drugs.

Like GHB, MDMA coke.

They also found video of sexax with one of the two identified victims. They also found numerous other videos and photos on the pairs phones of other potential victims. So a lot like in the episode, there's all this video of them, you know, either having consensual or sex or assaulting people. Rococcus said, quote, there are a substantial number of videos. I cannot tell you if it's tens or hundreds. It is certainly more than tens. It appears they are

Yeah, but it's so weird. I can't tell you if it's tens or hundreds, but it's more than it's more than ten.

Yeah, he said his office, Yeah, and he's like, our office can't release the videos, of course, but everything suggests that the women on these videos are also victims of assault. So in September of twenty eighteen, the Newport Beach Police turned the investigation over to the Orange County District Attorney's office, and then they filed charges on September eleventh of twenty eighteen, and detectives arrested Robus Show and Riley on September twelfth,

So right after these people are arrested, this.

Man not right after, but in February of twenty twenty, so about a year later, Todd Spitzer beats Racaucus in the election for district attorney. So I think I may have said attorney general, but I meant district attorney.

So now Todd.

Spitzer is replacing rac Caucus, and he had said throughout his entire campaign, I'm going to drop the Robushow charges if I get elected, Like I think, I think rac Caucus is overreaching.

I don't think the search was legal. I don't think there's enough proof here.

Like very Orange County, very like sounds like a punch of drunk women having a good time and then regretting it to me, you know, like very that I feel like is what this guy's vibe is. There's also full articles that I did not have a chance to read about how this guy, Todd Spitzer is fucked and he's like very corrupt and letting Orange County go to shit.

Whatever.

You can read those on your own time, because I couldn't get into that. But he's not a good person. So yeah, the case is very dramatically played out in the press. Spitzer becomes the district attorney and request to drop the charges, which was denied in twenty twenty by

It's just so fucked because it's like, no, there are crimes and victims. It's not just about your political career, you psycho. Oh yeah, I just can't even believe this. I mean I can. Yeah. It's psychotic. And Orange County they're just a bunch of rich hillbillies. They're trash.

It's like money can't buy you class or county.

Is that so true? So true?

But Jennifer kern said in her lawsuit that Spitzer colluded with one of Robashow and Riley's defense attorneys while quote engaging in a concerted political campaign to undermine the prosecution, discredit the victims, and ultimately destroy the criminal case end quote against the couple. And so her lawsuit had a lot in there about that, and also the relationships that Spitzer allegedly had with one of the attorneys for the couple.

I'm not going to be a part of this anymore. Then, in a.

Surprise decision, that same judge, Stephen Bromberg, recuses himself and gets off of the case. Now the defense had filed emotion. No, I'm sorry, not the defense. I think the prosecution filed emotion, saying that there had been quote unquote sharp exchanges between the judge and the prosecutors, and so they filed a motion to have the judge removed. But then the judge just recused himself and did not say a reason why. He did not say I'm doing this because of the motion.

Sketchy.

The case was then presided over by Orange County Superior Court Judge Frank Aspino. Eventually, under Aspino, charges are reduced and now they are only being charged with assault on two of the women, and all the rape charges have been dismissed. An amended complaint charges them with kidnapping to commit a sexual offense, two counts of assault with intent to commit a sexual offense, and other charges about like

So it's like, it's so fucked up, because we've talked about this before.

How if you have enough money, you just keep going and keep going with appeals, with appeals, like everything, and eventually just you're just you watch this case like just everything just gets dropped. And so then during a hearing I also was reading that during a hearing in August of twenty twenty one, a woman who alleges that Robasho raped her in two thousand and nine pleaded with the judge not to dismiss the charges relating to her assault,

And then so a judge named Orange County Superior Court Judge Jonathan Fish took over, and he said, at this point, Robi Show and Riley are forty one and thirty five, respectively. And this judge says, I'll be issuing a ruling soon. In April, a motion to quash the warrant used to search Robis Show's home was denied. Thank god, something finally is like just as happening in this case. And Judge Fish said, quote, a woman or any participant can limit

Point, But I honestly that was the last I read of that was this motion was squashed in April of this year. I cannot find anything about the case since so I'm assuming it's like COVID related delays. I know that there are lawyers that listen to our podcasts that know how to look up cases. I honestly tried to do it. I was like, I'll just go to like the California dot gov and like try to look it up. I could not figure it out. There's like logins. I could not look up the case to see where it

Rape charges have been dropped, but hopefully.

They'll get busted on some of these kidnapping and other charges and they will honestly probably just keep spending money until they're free. And I don't it sucks, but it's a very crazy case that got very highly politicized because of this district attorney race.

And I think I'm also wondering if they can and you doing this or if.

They like and they're out on bel.

I wonder if they're still dating, because recent articles still call them boyfriend and girlfriend.

So I don't really know. But well, and that was kind of well with the in terms of the episode, they probably didn't get married because of the names, and like then they would find c you know what I mean. Yeah, like who knows what kind of ID Sadie had or anything like that.

Yeah, like if she ever had a legal name change or whatever. It's yeah, it's wild. This was I remember this being one that people were talking about because I was living here. I just like moved to la when uh well not just but I've been here like a year or so when this case started coming out.

So it pisses me off that they're out and that this Spitzer guy was just like a who gives a shit?

They're my friends will drop out and it's like excuse me, I know, I know.

And it just like all this like it's on video. There's a lot of video of it. Like it's just wild that they still can figure out.

I mean, it sounds like a lot of shady shit was going on, like getting this investigator taken off of the case and she says she's being retaliated against, Like it's they're doing all. They're throwing up a lot of roadblocks to pretend to protect this like hand surgeon.

Like it's kind of crazy.

Yeah, but you know that's that, But we have an amazing guest that's going to make you forget all about the injustice in Orange County, So don't go anywhere.

Oh my gosh, you guys.

Today's guest one of our must haves from the beginning on our list. If you don't recognize his face, you've been living under a rock for the past twenty years. He is an actor from such shows as Royal Pains, Sex and the City, The West Wing nine, JKL, Good Morning Miami, and a personal other favorite, Wet Hot American Summer ten years Later, plus so much more, and you guys know him from today's episode as the sinister doctor Heath Baron. Guys, please to enjoy our amazing chat with Mark Foyerstein.

You are in some of my favorite movies. We've really wanted this for a while. And we just talked to Brooke Smith from In Her Shoes.

Oh, I love her.

She's a Dan. You're you're kind of like this dream man in that movie.

Do you feel that we're talking about In Her Shoes? Right? Yeah?

Oh yeah, We're gonna not even though this is an SVU podcast that's anyway.

Just know that I did do my homework and watch that episode.

We're gonna be so scary.

But that's why it's so different, because you're and in practical magic. You're kind of like, I'm the nice guy husband, and then all of a sudden, here you're like evil from the jump.

And by the way, there's this secret easter egg that's so good and big for the episode that I I don't know if you know it. I'm looking at your faces and there's a secret connection in there.

That you may or may not be aware of.

That American summer. Now that's no no between me and.

Another character, an easter egg of my past that makes it incredibly all the more creepy and wonderful. Okay, great, not.

Telling you we'll get there, tell no, no, you're gonna wait, ladies.

But so just to do in her shoes, loved Brooks Smith.

I think actually I remember hearing that she was very I think she told me she was very close to playing the Tony Collett, right, Yes, she told us that.

Yeah, she even told us that.

A couple times doing the scenes with Tony Collette, she kept calling Tony Collette the wrong character name because she was like, no, I'm this character, you're this character.

Oh, my god, that's amazing. I mean, she's such a talented actress.

You know what.

I love her so much from is Vanya on forty second Street.

You remember said, yeah, we watched it in high school theater class, and that was like my intro to her.

And she said it was her favorite probably something like that. I think that was such a cool idea to just they go into a theater. Who knows where they're rehearsing the play, but you're seeing them out of rehearsal. I just think it was such a cool thing that Wally Sean did, who I got to work with recently on The Good Fight, which is a kin a kin to SVU.

Yeah, it's and he left meu alum as well. I think he did an episode in the same season as you. Actually, I believe it was the season twenty.

Yeah, you both played yourselves in BoJack Horseman.

Who's better than You? That is? That is an unbelievable connection.

Okay, wait, so let's get into the SBU. I feel like we're like we're all over the Normally we start with SVU and then we go to people's like other work, and we were all over the place with you because we have too much in common and too many things.

To talk about, So I'll go any which way.

This episode Plastic season twenty, Well, I asked my question, were you kind of pissed you had to wait this longer? Like the King of the USA Network? Were you like, where's my SVU offer?

Now?

I feel like season twenty is the golden You don't want to be in nineteen. You don't want to be in nineteen.

You want to be in twenty, episode eleven because I kissed the clock at eleven eleven, it's good luck twenty eleven.

It's cool my good reasons, it's wonderful.

What like what drew you into the park? Were you just like I did you know SVU? Did you like like this character want to play something evil?

What was your I mean, I.

Think it's always fun to play a bad guy.

There's I have had a couple of opportunities to like turn my nice guy persona into something dark and sinister, and I think, sometimes, you know, the bad guy in a Bond movie can be the most fascinating.

And I.

Played a part in a show called prison Break where I was also like, supposedly this is actually going to go in a roundabout direction.

But I.

Played Michael Schofield had been killed supposedly in prison break, and I was the new husband to Sarah Wayne Kelly's and I seemed like a really good guy, and then I turned out to be like the most evil guy ever who took her husband and put him away, and then of course he comes back, finds her, kills me, and takes her back.

But there's something very fun.

About turning what seems menschi on its head and being a real bastard. So I saw an opportunity there on this show to do that, also an opportunity to go to New York.

I knew they had some great actors lined up. I had never done SVU.

It's always a good idea, maybe to make someone like Dick Wolf aware of yourself, because he does lots of stuff, as you may know. But the other thing I was going to share is that there was a moment, another moment where I was meant to play the sweet guy, and that was turned on its head a little bit. Uh for a show called Coyote, which not a lot of people know about because it was canceled pretty early on in it's run on Paramount Plus. But Michelle McLaren,

We're gonna think you were a regular on this show. So it's gonna be so cool when we blow your head off in episode two. It's gonna be such a shock. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll go on that ride. But then I took it, so yeah, what am I took it?

And actually the stage direction had describes me as peeing my pants.

As I beg for my life I get shot in.

So I look for roles that have a lot of high status, a lot of coolness. No, anyway, I just thought it was a really interesting episode. And you know, this all happens pretty quickly. You and your manager and your agent kind of.

Vet the offer, vet the significance of the role in that episode, which was pretty significant, and you know it's got enough darkness and intrigue that it was worth doing. And I was grateful. I'm always grateful to work because there's always something that comes of it.

I learned something every time, and you know, I could have said no, maybe a lot more in my career, but that's just not Yeah, I love to.

Work, and you're from You're born and raised in New York City, so that's so it's a find a trip.

To see my father and my parents, and yeah, go do the New York thing for a week. Now.

How was it filming those really kind of creepy, pasted out sex scenes. Yeah? Did they make you do like a thousand of them? There was so much footage of you with different people.

I know, and you understand this was right after the me too stuff is happening, and at the beginning of the intimacy Coordinator.

I was just gonna say it was probably pre intimacy coordinator, right.

Just pre intimacy coordinator, but just post me too.

So a real tricky window, real tricky window, right, And so you can imagine as a menschi and responsible and fearful jew that I am.

The second I'm in bed with these eighteen to twenty five year old.

Actresses, I am describing exactly what I'm going to do on any take. There is not any license I'm giving myself to do anything but what I say I'm going to do, which is the way it should be.

I mean, it's you know, it's all a question of.

Chemistry and rapport but there should be no more license than that woman allows for right in my mind, And that was true. Like on the set with Natalie Portman, we had an intimacy coordinator.

It's all full blown.

Now we're talking to her about what we're going to allow and not allow, and of course I'm like, whatever Natalie wants, we get to set. The intimacy coordinator actually faded back on that show, and Natalie was very game. She actually suggested slightly more edgy erotic actions than I would have even thought of. So I was like very impressed with her and how you know, body and free

But god damn it, you happened to paint something so good, so good?

I did you like?

Did you have to do a sex scene with like your like child from Royal Pains. I'm trying to figure out what's going on.

You are in the area in the ballparkkay.

Very in the ballpark. You are nailing the ballpark.

So now it has to come out because you got you did so good on the subtle easter egg quiz.

You ready, yes? Willa Fitzgerald, who is the victim victim, the lead victim in this case in this episode was my sin on Royal Pains.

Oh my gosh, that's wild, but that must have been fun.

My long lost sister who our father played by Henry Winkler, had never revealed to us, who pops in season four or five. And she's fabulous and like an amazing actress and a lovely person and so smart. Graduate of Yale Drama School went there with Lupita Nyongo while we're supposed to.

Be in the Natalie Portman thing.

I did, but because of Wakanda dropped out, giving the role to Moses, who was the best friend on the Queen's gambit.

But that's a side story, Will, that's just.

Name dropping for no reason, not not in any way evoking any stories, just dropping names.

But the point is Willa Fitzgerald was.

My sister on Royal Pains and loved her and we had this familial connection and then, by the gods of our business, I'm in a bed with her having my way with an unconscious Will Fitzgerald with your.

Sister, with myage.

It's not fun to like, come to set with a friend.

Oh, was so great to see her.

It was so great to work with her, but also a little awkward because you know, I tend to offer myself as a friend, mentor spirit animal to you know, the younger generation. So that's what I was to her on Royal Pains, a friend and talking about the business, and she was so young and new to it all. So it's a little weird when you then climb into bed and you're like, okay, now you're passed out and I'm licking your face.

Yeah, but it was fine, and it was great to see her and we had a blast.

Did you get along well with the woman that played your girlfriend Flash Project?

Yes?

She was so lovely, Alyssa Sutherland. Yeah, and I haven't seen her since we made that episode. But do you remember all of us going to I don't even remember what this documentary was about.

It might have been some effort, some charity of Mariska hargeateays she made.

A documentary and we all went one night to watch it together. Ohga and Alyssa and some of the other cass.

Yeah, Marishka was part of a documentary about ending the rape kit backlog.

Okaybe it was that. Okay, maybe it was that.

Well, it was happening while we were filming, so we all got to go to the premiere and it was very.

Cool to be part of that.

And yeah, and also while we were filming in the penthouse. This is totally on another subject of the opposite end of totally superficial as opposed to her documentary, And she was buying like a forty million dollar apartment in New York at the time you were, so I was like, it's okay that you're giving me direction.

I get it, I get it. Wow, I love that real estate scoop we just got.

Yeah, it could have been twenty million, it could have been forty million.

That's my memory both seem in the realm of possibility. Our newest rumor we heard about her is that she's been she's moved to Long Island and it has been helicoptering in every day to work. That's like we heard.

That's yeah, we don't know, but.

Yeah, we heard the like the Hampton's well, like during the pandemic she went to her Hampston's house and now she kind of is like there and just like come helicoptering.

Yeah, oh my god. And do you think what's his name? I was on wet Hat American Summer with him.

He was so funny in that pressor for Maloney, Chris Maloney, What do we think? Because I actually got to talk to him Marishka about his departure from the show.

Oh yeah, so, uh, if you'd like a little of that, I'm happy to share.

Please.

I imagine a podcast like this might enjoy some of that. Scuttle Bud, Yes we want. I imagine. She talked about when it was what season was it?

He he left after season twelve?

After season twelve, Yeah, it was all like ego, it was all negotiations, Yeah, and them not coming to the table with as much as he had expected. But he is someone apparently you know, Mariska loves him and felt like he's someone who really is all about the work completely, but just also wanted to be compensated in the right way.

And you know you can't help. But hear about that.

Fallout and think, hey, but she's flying in from the hipt and you're driving up in your Chevy.

Maybe we should have just taken.

It on the chin a little. For twelve year thing is kind of I don't know what happens because they just we don't know everything. But the rumor is that Kelly Gettis just got fired after twelve years because they didn't want to give her more money, and so I don't get what's happened, like to have two characters twelve years. That is like I wonder what pey bump happens at twelve years that NBC doesn't want to.

Do, or like, by the way, we started this with a weird superstition thing about season twenty and episode eleven app and then episode twelve, are.

We like yeah, numbers game, I'm a number, Yeah.

Okay, okay, and now let's keep it.

But I just wondered together because also I bet the vibe Maloney had was like, oh, sv he's not going to survive without me.

They're obsessed with me.

And then you know, it definitely did.

Some people say they stopped watching after Maloney, but then I mean, the show's still on, they're about to start season twenty four. But now he's got this spin off that I really like, So maybe everything happens for the best. Like I don't know, I mean, for the reason, I thought he was maybe leaving to go try more comedy because he's so funny and wet hot, He's so uh. He did this show called Happy on Sci Fi that was like a funny show. It's funny and Harold and Kmark.

So, you know, he was so funny and wet hut, oh my god. Yeah. As Jane the Vietnam vet cook.

Yeah, it's just like it had the combination of feeling like such a real character who could have existed from like Asbury Park, New Jersey who went to Vietnam.

Now where's a bandana and cooks? But did he also have sex with a can?

Yeah? He was in love with the can.

Yeah, David Wayne is a friend and like, and Michael Showalter is also a friend. I love them both so much.

They're geniuses. I love the I love you, Stella, I love all the things. And you were a really bad guy in the ten years Later. But the wig was so funny that it kind of like that you're not as mad or something.

I loved that curly, weird lyle love it type wig that I got to wear for a moment. And I love that I was digitally inserted into the movie itself, as if I had always been there.

When they first see me in Wet Hot, there's this moment of like, oh yeah, that's smart.

Oh yeah.

And they showed me like in the car driving up with the whole gang, and I had never been in it.

It was just a flashback that I was inserted into. And that's just another example of David Wayne and Michael Showalter's wacky, brilliant sense of humor.

They are so funny.

And yeah, Maloney has an iconic character in that movie. And we talked to Diane Neal who said that she was obsessed with Wet Hot and she used to just leave a can in his dressing.

Room all the time, and he was like, who the fuck keeps leaving cans? Then that's you know, well she admitted it. And then he goes how old are you and she goes, I'm twenty five and he went fine, and then wasn't that anymore?

That's amazing.

So it was an how are your interrogation scenes with Marishkott.

I was mentioning that when we he did one at the Penthouse and we were talking about her twenty million dollar purchase or forty million dollar purchase of an apartment in New York, and it brought new meaning.

To the do dung because I actually only heard chi ching.

And actually I think I did another Law and Order on the original Mothership Law and Order with Jesse el Martin. Yeah, el Martin, and he is so funny. Before every take he goes dun dum and then you roll and then it is done, dun duh. He's so great and he does it a.

Little more accurately than I did.

But we did do an interrogation scene up in that beautiful penthouse, and you know, it's a funny thing. I think Marishka is like the nicest person and she's so good and it's kind of amazing how much she cares, which is why I think she gets helicoptered in and out to do the show still because I'm sure that's not what the budget was desiring for the show, but it's because she just truly cares so much, which leads her as someone. I'm an actor who got to be

She did too. I think she probably directs one or two every season.

Yeah, and.

She started directing me, and I had that little moment of like, on the one hand, the ego bump of your being directed by your scene partner, and two, you're not the star of your show anymore. You're on somebody else's show and you got to just take it. And on the other hand, she gave great notes and it was actually very useful, so you know, it was like a mixed bag. Yeah, she's very smart and very helpful.

How was it, like, you know, on Royal Pains everyone knows you in this one role. Is it weird to transition or does everyone just respect you right away? Or how does it kind of work?

Well the the great Thank you for that question.

And I'd like to think I was respected on the set of Royal Pains, and I like to think that that translates to other sets.

But the beautiful thing about shooting in New York is the New York cruise that film are. There's so much overlap.

So I'm running every time I shoot a show in New York, whether it was The Good Fight or SVU or Nurse Jackie or Power and the subsequent spinoff Ghost, which I've also been on.

I run into these guys, these fucking.

Guys and girls who are in the cruise of the grip department or the camera department or the teamster department, and it's heaven. And it makes it like Old Home week every time I go back to New York to shoot, and it's this. It's the part of our business that is the most special. Because we just show up for jobs. We make some relationships. Some of those friendships make it off set.

Very few, but some do.

But those relationships which they're always on sets and it's always easy to see them and you don't have to feel guilty you didn't call or anything, because no one expected you to.

But when you're on that set seeing you know, Joe Collins or.

A grip named Julian or Tommy or Johnny san Pietro who I got to drive with to set for eight years, or Blake or these guys who you just you know, when you think of them, you get happy because they're just so in it when you're filming and in it with you, like you're in battle. And I guess it's the closest thing you could feel in our generation to being in battle together, being in an army together, or

It's just so nice when you get to be reuthed like Matt shoot.

His father was a great director, Arthur, and his son is Matt, and I forgot his last name, but I ran into him at a play. It's just it's the kind of relationship that's so unique to our business but so special.

And did you meet your wife on the job?

No, we were dating. I was doing Good Morning Miami.

She was doing which is how I first which is how I first ever watched you. Oh really, I watch My Morning Miami like all the time.

Oh my god, love it, love it. Had a good time on that show. I still was biking last week with David Cohan, who was one of the two creators of that show and a slightly lesser known show called.

Will and Grace.

Yeah, I was going to say.

And Dana was on a slightly lesser known show too, called Friends. She was a writer on Friends, while oh okay, and.

The distillation of which show was more successful could be best encapsulated by a moment that happened at the final taping of.

Friends, which I was at, which was so a lot of the writers.

Are the people in the plane when Rachel is supposedly going to fly to Paris. Those are all the writers of the show, and Dana was one of them, my wife, And while we were walking around the set, you know, good Morning Miami was totally on the bubble, like about to be canceled, and Friends was in its tenth year at the end of ten glorious seasons, and the head

And then they cancel that.

Cool.

They canceled it a week later. A week later. Yeah, thanks Jeff.

Good classic Zuck, classic Zuck.

Classic sucks.

That's so cool about your wife though, you guys are like a little power couple. I love that.

You guys are a dream Hollywood situation, don't you.

That's very sweet. I don't know if she would agree with you. Boy, Yeah, I'll take you.

So wait, tell us about this. What is this thing that you just worked on with Natalie Portman? Can you talk about it already?

Yere? They are you kidding? Can I talk about it?

I mean, it's all I got, It's all I got to talk about. It's called Lady in the Lake. It's written based on a book by Laura Lippman, who is a very talented writer. It's loosely based on an actual event where a Jewish family lost their daughter to.

A guy who was mentally.

Unstable and worked in a pet store and was she was eventually abused and killed, and it's all spun out around that real event. But it's historical fiction because she's dives deep into the Jewish and the black community of Baltimore in the early sixties and it's.

Incredibly well done and well written.

Laura Littman, by the way, just an interesting fact, is the wife of David Simon, who created The Wire. So they're like, Wow, power Baltimore couple who really, you know, have put Baltimore on the map in such a fascinating way. But it's being directed by Alma Harrel, who's this female Israeli.

Director who's Byron Bauer's girlfriend. No, no, really yes, yeah, so she's directing the show.

She's directing all of it, and all of it.

Whoa cool She took that book and crafted this magical, mystical six episode Apple series based on it called Lady in the Lake, And I mean, she's just incredibly impressive, such a like badass visionary director and I think in her hands, it's going to be amazing.

And Natalie Portman is unreal, unreal.

I mean, I remember that we had this scene where my character is saying something that is very upsetting to her.

I don't want to give things away, but she's.

Sad and I'm there on set just kind of She told me to just go, oh, just improv how I'm letting her down in this way.

And as I keep talking to her, I'm just wondering. I'm not looking because i don't.

Want to make eye contact with her because I'm supposed to be the guy on the phone.

But I'm right by the camera spewing and improving.

And then I just look up and I see like a face of tears as Natalie Portman just takes the phone on which I'm supposed to le talking and just holds it out and like lets it all go. And she's just so vulnerable and so with emotion.

I'm both torn with my worship of her talent and my jealousy, you know, a natural actor reaction. Wow.

Yeah, oh my gosh, this was fun Mark this week fun. Thank you so much for taking the time.

I feel like we could talk to you for another four hours, but we got to like, let everybody get on with their life.

Bully, We'll see you at some jew Hollywood events.

Please please stay okay for sure. And this was a total delight for me.

Thank you so much for talking to us. That was fucking fun.

I love talking to him. That was like one of the easiest conversations. I felt like we were talking to an old beal.

Yeah, that was really fun.

And it seems like he's just like jazzed on his life and likes to work and his family and is just like living it up.

Anyway, this episode today, plastic, What did we learn? I mean, you know, I think we learned from the real life crime that truly court cases will just go away if you just have money and connections and you just keep throwing money at them. Like these people are now facing barely any charges after what was like originally a huge like operation that they were doing of their crimes, and now it's kind of like maybe they'll get kidnapping and like possession of coke or something like.

It's pissing me off, but you know it is. Oh, Mark, I do want to say, it's just wild to be a fan of someone for so long and then they're just on your podcast. Yeah, and they're nice and normal.

I think everyone we've been a big fan of that has come on, we've been like, well, they're cool. They seem like somebody you could just have a glass of wine with at a bar and be like, let's chat.

You know, I never want wine, It's me it once in a while.

I've atka soda, avodka soda. Yeah, once in a while. I'll have a wine maybe once every four months. But it's like it doesn't do it for me. It's truly like all.

I want to drink most of the time. I want to drink red wine when it's cold, and I want to drink white or rose when it's hot.

And that's it. But I do like beer, and I will drink vodka if it's like a good vodka cocktail, I will for sure. Yeah, wine is my go to I'm a wine girl. What can I say?

Back to the episode, because they do tell us that we're going too long in these episodes.

But that our listeners want it. They want it.

Yeah, I think it's a great episode. Says a lot about it's very sexual, says a lot about the allure of beauty.

This woman gave up her entire fucking family just to be beautiful, like you know, but he also he was brainwashing her too, but like you know, every time she probably had a new surgery, she was like, oh my god, like, how could I give this up?

I look so gorgeous for sure, because you know, they said I remember now. The dad was like, oh, she started having problems in high school, but that's like when she met him. So I wonder if he was like the cause of all her problems, not just this antidote, or she met him at the right time for him, like she like, I'm sure he prays on girls that are going through like that hard awkward you know high school phase, tells them that they're beautiful because no one's

Dollars because people will then puke blue. It's like, it's just not good.

Did we ever find out in this episode, by the way, why he killed the other girl.

He just wanted her out of the way. Why didn't he just say get out of here.

He didn't kill anyone.

He killed the guy, he killed the construction worker. No, that's not who it was. The dead body was the construction worker guy. Oh it Wasira, it was yeah girl.

You know what, That's exactly what I thought when the skeleton came out, I go, he killed his his like the girl he wanted, he killed her boyfriend.

That's what I thought that.

Then they they checked that it was definitely a teenage girls skeleton, and then it wasn't the little girl that, it wasn't our girl, It was Moira.

So why did he kill Moira because he was done with her?

Like, well, he could go to jail.

I mean, if Moira said this old man's been fucking me, he would go to jail. You kind of I think it was more of an evidence thing maybe, oh maybe yeah yeah, but he could also.

Be a killer.

I mean, who knows who else he's killed her? If he would kill Ceci if she like and do what he wanted, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Maybe she like spoke up and was like trying to be like, you know, asserting her own power. Anyway, let's move on this week's wait wait.

Before we move on, Yeah, it's wild that the Dan Schneider and all that has been popping off, and we talked about that months ago after Janette, Well, after Jeanette mccurty's book. You know, I knew when that book came out, things were gonna pop off. Does she name him? No, she calls him the creator, and I guess once she calls him Dan, but everyone knows. And I've seen his

But is what what was that? What do you mean?

Like what what I saw?

Like I googled it and then I got distracted. They got they're being accused of like.

Well there's there's a video. So it's like there's no accusations or not. The video exists. What's the video? So I actually sadly watched it, which is pretty fucked. And it was because I watched it blurred and that was good. And then someone did show me and it's like it's a it's bad, it's bad. It's really bad. But I was just talking about how like it's so strange who we decide to punish or re speak out about in those who don't, because in my head, I'm like, it's

It's just so fucked.

And then he waited a long time and then he started this like soft launch pr campaign of how he was going to come back, which is what I talked about in the episode. And then we were waiting on that kind of when pandemic hit. And then her book came out and so maybe it's like, all, maybe he's going to retreat again, but who knows, and he just.

Looks so much different than I thought. Okay, the tipping.

So I read the article and basically it was like her good friend like best friend vibes, and this best friend had two kids and they were all tight. It was like Aunt Tiff, you know, like this is the Daily Beast article. I'm not you know, I don't want to get sued for liball.

So.

I guess that's our whole podcast.

Lol. But it's just so she hired Prince Andrew's attorney, Like that's not great. So basically she told the friend like, can I use these kids? And the whole the article is saying that she groomed these kids and kind of like built trust and then asked them to do this sketch and lied to the mom about what the sketch was. And then basically it's like a video where it's like

Is in twenty thirteen.

Oh, this was a while ago. This is twenty thirteen, Okay, So one comic was like it was probably she was hustling. Aris was like, someone told me it was Ari's so I've been saying Aris. But so someone was like, so someone was like maybe she was like, oh, I gotta go do this sketch, like I'll do whatever. Oh I have these kids, I'll grab these kids and we'll do

I kind of like, where's the funny part. I just don't get the funny part. It seems like they were doing a sketch that's a re enactment of an SBU episode. Like I don't get where the funny part come.

Yeah, like it's more of a PSA than anything. But yeah, I don't know why they thought it was funny. And then it's like, or is he a pedophile and wanted to be in a bathtub with this in his underwear? So now what are they saying? It's I mean, have you seen anything since no been locked down? I think they paid for great pr and lawyers and are just like lying low.

I have no idea.

I don't know what's gonna happen because in my head it's like can you bounce back or not? And then it's like all of these molesters bounce back constantly, and how do we decide who does who gets to and who doesn't. It's just like all so strange. It's all just too much. But she hired Prince Andrew's attorney, and for me, I'm like, you're so rich, go to an island and live just like, I don't know, is that a fucked up thing to say?

Take your millions go to an island and disappear for a while.

I don't know, I guess I don't know. I don't think work ever again. But yeah, you should read it just in case I'm missing something on the Daily Beasts. I read it twice, okay, and yeah, but it was like her fra It was like, truly, if I like took Rosie to go do something creepy. Yeah, so because it's like they trust you, like you guys would trust me. Rosie would trust me, and so it wasn't some strange

I feel like I feel like I want to watch it so I can understand, but I don't think I want to watch it.

No, you don't.

And then the kid and then the kids are just like, it fucked me up.

I don't trust people.

I don't like to be touch like it fucked them up because like their kids, and nothing was explained to them.

They were saying, so it was like.

The how does a kid brain distinguish between real or not, like you did the damage, whether you thought it was a sketch or not, Like you kind of sexualized this child.

And like touched him.

Weird. It's like, I don't know, it's like it's really strange because other things are very cut and dry and this one is fucking twisted and weird. And since the article, I haven't heard any that died immediately Cray and how fucking crazy that she did. Kids say the darkness things, and so that means it's Bill Cosby and Tiffany are like the two people. Thank god, everybody needs to stop. Okay, well that's a porn star, this one port star making

Yeah, okay, I'm going to move on to what would mister peg do. This is our weekly segment where we give you guys a resource like a charity, an organization, a book, an article, uh something to help flush out a little bit what we talked about in today's episode.

Today's episode was like kind of specific about these this uh doctor.

Both in both situations doctors like doing creepy shit with their girlfriends. So I don't really know that there was any angle in there, but I did really kind of it resonated with me, this poor girl who was like drugged and had to like you know, drag herself through the streets begging someone to help her. So I kind of wanted to highlight this article on date rape drugs that I found at the US Department of Health and Human Services Office on Women's Health. And you can see

So there's a lot of helpful info on there, and we will include the link to that in our show notes and as always on our Instagram, in our stories the day the show gets released and then saved forever in our WWSPD highlight on Instagram. Thank you so much about that, and next week please join us, we will be watching Double Strands.

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