Parole Violations w/ Michael Chernus

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called Parole Violations. It's from season sixteen, episode fifteen, and we start out with a big ass teddy bear in our face and it's being held by Bella Careesi and she is played by Maren Ireland, who's been in a ton of stuff. She's also in that episode called Confrontation, which is has the guy from House of Cards who assaults women based on their ovulation calendar because he's trying to have some sort of like Psycho master Race fantasy. And so she's in that episode. And now she's been

brought back as Bella Creesy. I thought she was like recurring, but she's only been in this one episode as Bella.

be talking about him and not the sister. And she's like, oh, this is how many decorated the baby's room, like a crib over dan and then a changing table over that, and it's just like a hoarding room that's filled with junk. And she's just showing him like where she might put stuff. Carrisee's like, sounds great, but you can tell he's kind

of judging it. Bella still hasn't told their mom aka Sarah Fina Carresi aka Beverly di'angelo, a dear friend of the pod, and she hasn't told her yet because she's waiting to get hitched to Tommy and mon talk soon and this is another SVU Tommy. I'd like to give a shout out to our listener, Christina s who has emailed us an extensive list with all the Tommies. Yes, we've met her, but she I looked up the email list yesterday and was like, it is truly mind blowing

how many Tommies there are in this series. Like I need to get to the bottom of, like, what's going on? Does someone I think it's just an easy name.

That's brownie points and he's just like I just want to get there early so I can leave early. They have a doctor's appointment to get their first sonogram blah blah blah. So Tommy tells Carisey, oh, did I did I tell you I popped the question? Or did she tell you I pop the question? She's going to make an honest man out of him, and Carisey's like, cool, awesome, Yeah,

you deff seem good enough for my sister. Like you can just see he's like great, like and but he's like happy for his sister and he hugs her and he's like, I am happy for you. So now we cut to Tommy in the hallway of his po's office and he's got like a twitching leg. He looks anxious and he's like he's alway, I actually wrote in my notes. He looks anxious, leg twitching, et cetera. A listener did take the time to message me that I was saying

et cetera and it's et cetera. So I have corrected myself and I'm learning and growing here on the podcast. So what is it? What is it? And what's the wrong way? It's etcetera, Like it's et cetera. It's not et cetera, like I'm saying it with like an X. Oh interesting, Yeah, it's et cetera. It is Latin, so you know, we should all be speaking this dead language correctly. The po shows up down the hall and it's fucking icon to me and Lisa. Susan Sharon from Sex and

the City aka Molly Price is the actor's name. I didn't realize she was on one hundred and thirty episodes of the show Third Watch, So she's a regular on that show. If you ever watch that.

was like leave him. But it wasn't even that they were fighting. He was yelling with her there.

let me handle this. I could do it, you know, like maybe she kind of I don't think she likes it, but maybe that's like people have generational trauma. That could be how they think relationships go one hundred percent. Because also it's like I doubt Susan Sharon's constantly bringing friends home in the middle of the night. Sure, well, I don't like her in this show because no keeping somebody waiting for two plus hours. This poor guy has been

waiting since two o'clock. He had a doctor's appointment at four, and she's like, oh, what was the thing at four o'clock because he didn't say it was a doctors appointment, and he's really beating around the bush like not telling her what the thing was, and she's like, you should have made it for a different day, and he's like, well, it's actually for my fiance, Bella's she's pregnant and it was a doctor appointment for her and Donna, which is I do want to call her Susan Sharin the whole time,

but her name is Donna Marshall. And Donna looks like she's been kind of sucker punched when she finds out he's engaged, and she's pregnant, and then she goes around and gets him a cup and is like, oh, I think we need to do a urine test and he's like right here, and she's like yeah, the bathroom is flooded and he goes still, which implies that she's used this excuse before, and she goes, you can decline and I'll ship your ass up state right now. Fucked up.

And then she closes the blinds and he has this like panic book on his face, like he's definitely being, you know, about to be forced to do something he doesn't want to do. Cut to CARIESI trapesing around the precinct with a box of Canoli's, like a full caricature like he was at the beginning, and he gives one to Rollins. Tomorrow's like no, and then she's like, don't make me eat alone. It's like cop sweet talk or whatever about like fatty pastries. And then Bella barges in

and he's like, Soney, where have you been. I've been texting you all morning. Tell me didn't come home last night, and his phone is going straight to voicemail. So she's in a full panic. Obviously, Big bro Sonny's gonna figure this out. We cut immediately to the eleventh Precinct where Carisee's walking out of this police station with Tommy because he got into some kind of like wasted bar fight the night before, and I guess he's been in like a holding or the drunk tank the night before. So

Carisey's like, I'm not covering for you with Bella. Also, your po's gonna find out, and he goes, yeah, I'm not that worried about that, and he's like, well you should be because he's and he's like, no, my po's a woman. And then very quickly it just comes out where he's like, she made me do her like and Caresey flips his shit and he's like, you cheated on my pregnant sister like pulls Tommy like slams them up against a police cruiser and he's like, I didn't want to.

She pulled her gun. Please don't tell Bella. And then we're at the credits, so of course he's gonna that's his sister.

there's no perfect victims. You know, she's always like seeing the full side of it, and Caresey explains how Tommy basically decided to combine weed with delivering pizza.

Now he's out on parole and now this Live tries to convince Caresy that Tommy's a victim and needs to support and Tommy doesn't even understand that he was assaulted. Caresey explains that Tommy claims that after the urine test, she pulled the gun forced him to have sex, and that he but Caresee's like he must have been into it or it wouldn't have worked. And this is like a theme that goes on through the entire episode is like how do you get a boner if you don't

like it? And it's like in twenty fifteen, I'm just surprised that that's still like a well, this is.

People can get sexually aroused in assault situations, like they say even like sometimes women can like orgasm during a sexual assault, Like it's not it's just like a bodily response and lives gives Live gives coursy shit like and he's like he's a victim and he's certainly not gonna trust you with any of the details or opening up to you the way you're acting. So now live in tomorrow, go see Tommy at his job. He doesn't really want to talk to them. It looks fucking freezing and he's moving.

I'm like, can you guys like catch up with him during lunch? Like this is they got to stop him. He's like they can all see their breath. These guys are moving huge arm wars and lives like, look, you're just going to go to your po next week and hope this doesn't happen again, and he's like, yeah, I only have three months left. I'll suck it up and lives like this is not your fault and it's not

just going to go away. And Tommy's like, no one's going to believe in ex con about something like this, and it is really sad and unfair, Like ricidivism is like sort of based in a lot of the fact that these people are so ex convicts are so easy to take advantage of because they don't think anyone will believe them, and many times nobody will believe them about anything. So they say, go to the hospital when you get off work. We need you to get tested for evidence.

But also Sti's it's like this man is not showered. I guess they just want to make sure that he might have like some of her DNA on him still, but like, yeah, you have a pregnant wife, like your frick pregnant fiance, Like you should get tested for STIs just in case, And they're kind of getting to him with that. He's like, oh, I haven't thought about that, and so like the guys he's working with are like

get a little help over here. And he's like, all right, just come by tomorrow, bring the clothes you're wearing, and we'll take your statement. So now we're at the precinct and Rollins, I feel like one of the reasons that we've all been up and down with Rawlins is because she is the first person to be like, I don't know, Like she's very skeptical. She's like, there's no witnesses, the victim not even want to might not even want to pursue charges. And then they're like, no, Tommy came in

and gave a statement. He's reluctant but consistent, and Caresee's like, I want to know if he's credible. Rollins is like, I'm really not buying it, and she goes it looks bad that he didn't disclose until after the parole violation. Drink. That's the name of the episode. If you're listening to this on a Tuesday morning, please drink in your car. Liv tells Caresey, you know you can't be part of

this investigation, and then let's all watch us. He is fully part of the investigation for the rest of the episode, but she says, you can walk your sister, Bella and Tommy through like what's going on and what's going to happen in the future. And so he's like, all right, I guess I'll go do that now. She's like, yeah, on your way. So now live in rollins gather around Tomorrow's computer for the breakdown of Donna Marshall aka Susan Sharon.

She's a master in social work. She was at the top of her class.

She's very like highly respected. So and just the way she speaks like it could be my ASMR.

she's so funny. Rollins is like, uh, dude, the Department of Corrections is going to stonewall the shit out of us, Like you think cops put up a front, like the doc is even worse or whatever, which we've seen other episodes where there's office where there's correctional officers involved and they all do cover for each other, like the Ray Romano's brother Brad Garrett episode. Yeah. So liv tells the skeptical Rollins and Tomorrow that if genders were reversed, they

would be handling this totally differently. We all saw his affect, we see how he's acting. Why don't we handle this like it's a woman making a complaint against a male po And so in the next scene, they're bringing in Donna Marshall's who is a guy named Ralph Kessel and he's like, Lol, somebody's making a claim. These x cons are all scumbags. I'm sure it's bullshit, but just in case,

I'll play along. Who is it? And then they say Donna and he goes, uh, you know she's a woman, right, and it's like, yeah, no one thinks somebody named Donna is a man. But also like it's just wild, like the that women cannot commit any kind of sex crime to all of these people in this episode, and Benson's like, ah, yes, we are aware, and so he immediately assumes it's a lesbian victim and then they're like, no, it's a male victim,

and he immediately laughs. And Benson explains that a gun was pulled and that Tommy felt he had to comply, and then he goes, comply sounds like my wife, and Amaro goes, ha, mine too, and it's like Tomorrow, you and Maria have like never kissed before. I can't believe it in a million years. So like, I don't know

what you're doing. And I think that's like one of my issues with Tomorrow is I can never really tell if he's being a misogynistic asshole or he's like playing the game to get on the good side of these people in this episode. Whatever he's doing here doesn't really pay off. So I'm just left thinking that he thinks it's cool to act like, you know, sex with your wife is complying like so.

does not give it because this man is trash. And so now we are back at Tommy and Bella's place and uh oh, Italian girl knows everything, and she is mad, mad, mad. She is furious at Sonny for defending him. She's like, hey, shade it on me, and like you now you're defending him, And Corisie and Tommy are trying to explain to her that this was non consensual and it was assault, but she's like, you can't even fuck in my parents' house with them sleeping two doors down, but you can get

it up with a gun to your head. That's her theory again, how'd you get a boner? And then suddenly, in the middle of all this Italian screaming back and forth, there's a knock at the door and it's done done Donna Marshall. She's doing a random home inspection and Tommy's like, what's this all about? And she's like, why don't you

shut the fuck up? And then she goes into the bedroom and comes back and approximately half a second with big bags of oxy contin, and Tommy's like I never saw any of that, and then they cuffed Tommy and Creasy's like, don't say anything till you get a lawyer. He has not revealed himself at all to be a cop. And then Donna's like, yeah, Tommy, better call Saul.

have thought twice about planting the drugs. She'd been like, Hi, I'm Detective Sonny Creasy from SPU. I don't know if she would have been so ballsy to plant drugs, you know what I mean. So anyway, top of act two, we're in like some kind of jail like holding or temporar like jail. But Tommy's in his orange jumpsuit swearing to Careasy that those were not his drugs, and Tommy's like, she planted them. She must have found out I was

accusing her. Did you guys tell her? And Caresee's like, of course we didn't, and Tomorrow's like, oh, we definitely did. We just talked to her boss, who she's a pair currently heavy best friends with, and Tommy's like, those two are thickest thieves, which just reminds me of Jersey Housewives. And Lisa did get me a onesie for Oscar when he was born. That says, let me tell you something about my family. We're thickest thieves, which I still have and I'm reading to give to the right baby that

I know. And Caresy is like, we have to show that she had a reason to plant those drugs, and Tommy's like, of course, he thinks no one will believe him, and Carisey goes, I do, And this makes Tommy feel better that his like brother soon to be brother in law, who's never really liked him, is like, I'm on your side. I believe you now tomorrow and criese, you're updating Live. They're going to test the baggies of of oxy for DNA. Can we also get like, where's the rush on that

DNA from his clothes? Find out from the lab and Live tells Careesy that Tommy's in for a fight with this rape charge and he's like, yeah, my sister's pissed at him and lives like, well he did the right thing, so like coming forward, So now out in like what do you call the area where all the cops sit, like the pen, the bullpen? I think it is called

like a bullpen, bullpen. I was like the quad. Rollins is still sally skeptical and is like, well, Tommy is a dealer, and it's like that was weed and he doesn't even do that anymore. And then like he's getting his life together and it's like, but he did get into a bar fight. It's like Rollin's you're so far from perfect. You're just like refusing to admit that this guy like could be just a good guy who's being

like set up. And he says, no, things were going good for Tommy and she goes, well, some people can't handle that, and they self sabotage, and I think that she's projecting a little because I think she does that like if she like when she first met Carisi, like an actual nice guy who liked her, and she was just like, Bye, I'm gonna go fuck bartenders in West Virginia, see you later. You know, I think that Rowlins doyes a little bit of self sabotage, and Carisy's like, bitch.

I was there when she found the drugs and she was like a damn bloodhound. It was like less than a minute, like there's no way. And Rolin goes, well, someone is lying and walks off, and Carisy goes, well, she's big on tough love, huh, And it's like you're

gonna find out soon enough. Sir and Amaro explained that Rollin's sister has played her ass a bunch and that like, you know, that's where she comes from, being skeptical about like family stuff, and he's like, well, her family isn't my family, and Amarro's like, but Tommy isn't even your family, Bella is you got to look out for her. And then just then they get a call the touch DNA on the clothes is back in and guess what Donna Saliva is present plus fluids. She just like drooled all

over this mandaring sex. Okay, so even if she had sex, even if they had consensual sex, that's against the law because she's like in a position of power against him. So she wrote the law and the good and that's good news. And he's like, yeah, try telling that to Bella Caraci, She's not gonna hear it. So Carisi is chasing Bella down the street now, and she's like not having any of the shit. She's stressed. She's thinking about moving in with her parents, and Carisi goes, I cannot

stress what an insane idea that is? And I really like that. He's like, you cannot move in with mom and dad, And she's like, I've dealt with this shit for ten years. Like I guess they've been together ten years with him fucking up and then the jail she waited. It's like, I think she's just been waiting a decade for this man to get his shit together and grow up.

But now he's cheated. And then she brings up the other sisters and like that they don't like Tommy and CARIESI goes, uh, to be fair, our sisters are fucking nuts. He goes, Teresa won't talk to a guy who makes less than six figures, and Gina's been engaged ten times, Like it's really funny, and I really want to know who would be cast as Teresa and Gina, who well.

would love it. She okay. So he's basically like, do not listen to our crazy bitch sisters please, and she's like, oh, you suddenly love Tommy and he's like, look, the guy's fucked up a lot, but this isn't one of those times. And she admits to Sonny that she's thinking of terminating the pregnancy, like this is all too much for her. She's only ten weeks so long, and Carisie's little Catholic heart is breaking at that idea. But Bella is like, I'm too stressed. I can't raise a kid on my own.

She goes back into her apartment and Carisy looks like he's gonna cry, like he was really looking forward to meeting this niece or nephew. And so now top of AC three, we've got Livin Rollins an interrogation with Donna Marshall and her lawyer, whose name is Mickey DiAngelo no relation because he's a fictional character, but he's been this

a lawyer in six episodes as this character. The actor's name is Joseph Lyle Taylor and he's been Mickey D'Angelo in six episodes, a bunch of like season sixteen, seventeen eighteen, I feel like nineteen maybe, And they're like, okay, so you admit you had sex with a Paroli and Mickey d is like initiated by Tommy and Susan Sharon. She's truly like such a Sex and the City character here. She's like, I'm human. I had a moment of weakness. Like she's kind of like grinning about like them having

like hot office sex or whatever. And she describes the whole scene where like Tommy gave her a massage and he started kissing me and she said it was a bad idea, but he was aggressive. And then they're like did you say no? And she goes, when I say no, people listen, And he didn't rape me, and I certainly didn't rape him. She admits to performing oral sex on him and them having intercourse and she's like, I've been divorced for five years and it just felt good to

be wanted. And they're like, okay, so, like, did you know he put in three requests to change po And she's like, well that's not surprising. I'm the toughest one, and he's like, but if you're so tough, why would he try to hit on you? That feels like a far shot to hit and she goes, paroles are manipulative. They think they have the upper hand. And then Rollins is like, isn't it your job to not let them have the upper hand. It's like okay, Rollins. And then

they're like do you have a gun? Like where was your gun during this? And she's like, yeah, I carry and then she starts laughing like you think I held him at gunpoint? L ol. She goes, he was ready, willing and able, and again the boner is proof. Everybody cannot stop talking about this man's boner. They get up to leave and Donna is like, this guy is a criminal, a liar, and a recidivist. He came on to me, and now he's backtracking because his pregnant girlfriend found out

he cheated on her. And then as she walks out, she gives Olivia this wild, like atta boy slap on

the arm. It's really funny actually, and I wonder if she improvised it, because Olivia is like, the fuck, Like, I'm a sergeant and you just like smacked me on here, like in your bowling league with you and the lawyer is it's like, if you believe a scumbag over a fellow officer, you should be ashamed, and like, I don't know if it's real or not, and I don't want to I don't want to mean anyone who's in corrections

because that sounds like a very hard job. In this show, it doesn't feel like cops treat pos and like corrections officer people as like the same as them. It feels like they feel like they're lower on the totem pole in from what I garnered from ASVU. I don't know if that's in real life. And so they they leave and Amorro's got like he's like, I've got the results of the drug test. Baggies. There's no DNA from Tommy on the packaging, so there's no proof he touched any

of it. And they found touch DNA belonging to a guy named Jordan Delfi who's a parole drug dealer. And guess who his PO is. Ding Dong is Donna Marshall. So now we're at Jordan's apartment and he's got his girlfriend and his baby there. Amaro and Rollins start tossing the place immediately, Rollin's just like, who's just like Donna? Rollins finds that oxy with the quickness, and they go, Donna's been your PO for three years and you passed all your drug tests. And he's like, Donna made me

give her that oxy. And they're like, in exchange for what clean drug tests? And he goes, yeah, she knows how to add just the right amount of vinegar to urine so that I can pass these tests. Is that real? I wonder if that's real. I should have googled it, but I didn't. And he says he provides other services to Donna as well to assure the clean drug tests. And they're like, what do you mean And he's like,

she's a divorce lonely lady. Use your imagination. When she says it's time for a piss test, the pants come down, and he says he once tried to say no, but she pulled the gun out. So here we go matching stories. So now live in crist you're talking to Barba, and Barba's like, okay, so both victims will testify an open court and they're like, yep, they will. Barba says, I've never taken a case like this to court, and I

don't know a da who has. And I'm like, we in season three they take female rapists to court on this show, so I know that they have before, like the Casey Novack episode where she's not Casey Novack. Forget what that one's called, but you know what I mean, where the women like rape a stripper and I just.

she's like trying to assure Bella. She's like, I've been doing this for a really long time. I know that these assaults can be really hard on victims but also on their families. Everything Tommy has told us has checked out. He is not making this up. He did not want this to happen. And again she's like, but the boner, how could the boner happen with a gun to his head? And Benson goes it's a mechanical response, like a sneeze,

or like crying when you cut onions. Like when you cut onions, tears come out of your eyes, but you're not sad, which is a good metaphor for this. I feel like and she's trust me, bitch, I've been doing this for like a million years. I've seen it. All this happens, and then little Noah squeaks awake, and I do like this Noah. He's very cute. He's got big cheeks and like long hair. He's cute. And he meets Bella and she's like immediately all smiles. So it's like,

I guess she's keeping the baby. But in court, Coreesi is on the stand and Barbara is wrapping up with him, and now Donna' Laura lawyer Mickey Dee stands up and he's like didn't Tommy tell you about his alleged assault after you picked him up from jail? And he knows that you're an SVU detective, so maybe he was just trying to get your sympathy after he cheated on your sister.

And he points out how Tommy didn't even think he was raped and only use that term after talking to Live and the SVU people, and they pan to Donna, and she looks smug as hell, and her hair looks very good for like a woman who's a parole officer. I feel like, I mean, I show me a picture of a parole officer who has shiny, silky hair like this. It looks really beautiful. And now Tommy is on the stand describing how Donna made him lian his and when he hesitated, she pulled the gun, so he did whatever

she said. She handcuffed his wrist to her desk. Then she sked his d as we used to say at summer camp. Now she gave him oral you know sex, and then well but it wouldn't be called oral sex, right, She forcibly, you know, copulated him, and then she got on top of him for forcible penetration, and he was angry, and terrified. He was worried about Bella and that she was going to shoot him or send him back to jail. He's like, you got to understand, these pos have all

the power over us. Like and so now her asshole lawyer is on the stand and is like, wow, the boner even with a gun to your head and the cuffs, and it's like, you guys should have had a doctor come in first and be like, yes, you can get a boner under duress, Like that would have been a good like baseline to start with, just so they can stop bringing this up to like him a million times.

So then this lawyer is like, so, what's more likely that this decorated officer raped you and went to your house and planted drugs or that you got arrested and this decorated officer went to check on you and found the drugs and then you cried rapes. And it's like, but that's not the order that things happened. The rape cry was before the drugs, and there's many cops that

can attest to that. So I hate this man. Barbara keeps objecting and having things stricken and like this he's one of these lawyers that doesn't care when it's like objection moved to strike, okay, stricken from the record, he doesn't care. He just moves on. I think he knows the jury is still hearing his point. And by the way, the judge in this episode is Judge Karen Blake. She's been in nineteen episodes of SVU. The actress's name is Amy Brabson and she is married to Andre Brower, whoa

power couple. Yeah, damn, they're married. They got three kids, she is, and he's an SVU alum and you know, a Brooklyn nine favorite, and yeah, she's been in tons of episodes of s for You. Anyway, she grants a recess. Tommy goes and apologizes to Barbara and he's like, sorry, he was twisting all my words and he's like, Barbara goes, you did fine, but in a way that it's like you did not do fine. And he's like he's like,

the attorney wants to know how the drugs got in there. Well, Jordan Dolphy's about to tell them, and so Barbara I just called him Barbara. So Barbarbara goes outside looking for Jordan and they can't find him, and there's this like courthouse officer who's like, oh, that's like squirrely little guy. He was Jones and for a smoke, so I told him to go outside. They all run outside. Jordan is gone. They try to scold this officer like how could you

let him walk out of here? And he's like, uh, not my job, and they're like he's a material witness and he goes, now he's immaterial, So I guess if he walks back in here, I'll find him. But until then, fuck off, Like this officer gives like less the zero fucks about helping these use few detectives. And Barbara at the top of act four is begging the judge for a continuance. They're like, we've done an exhaustive search all

night for Jordan and we can't find him. And she's like, well, but that other guy, Mickey Die goes she's got my client's got a write to a speedy trial. And the judge is like, you're right, and she denies the continue and then she goes, so are you gonna call any more witnesses? And she's and Barbara goes, Dolphie was our

last witness, So it looks like the prosecution rests. So then the Nikky DiAngelo goes, well, then we'll call our first witness, Jordan Dolphie, and Barba goes, excuse me in a way that I would that is so vitriolic that I would like if I was on the receiving end of this excuse me from Barbara, I would truly like

piss my pants and like curl into a ball. Like he is livid, and this like jackass lawyer is like, yeah, Jordan Dolphie came to us in the dead of the night and says his confession was coerced by the police, and Barbara is fiuaeus. So now Jordan is on the stand saying, oh, yeah, the cops said that if I made a deal to testify against Donna, they would, you know, like take away a drug charge for me or whatever.

And so like basically, this whole case against her is trumped up, and she's been so good to me and I can't have her go to down for something I did. I'm the one that sold Tommy all that oxy. She had nothing to do with it. And then it's Barba's turn to go up there, and he looks like he's about to dig into a juicy steak like a Wagoo beef steak. Like he's like, oh, hi, JORDI, Wow, you really just quoted Sandoval from vander Pump. I did.

roll those little sleeves up please for me? And you know, he's like, you can't ask me to do that, and the judge is like, actually, he can get those sleeves up, and he rolls them up, and those babies are riddled with track marks. And he's like, so are those fresh needle marks? And he admits that they are. And he's like, so, how do you pass three years of urine tests when you're clearly using hard drugs? And the asshole lawyer is like, can we get a recess? And Barbara goes, now, he's

my witness, and this is like peak Barbara. Like Barba's like, you do not fuck with me the way you just tried to, sir, and I am coming for you. Didn't you tell SVU that Donna doctored your urine tests with vinegar and that you had sex with Donna in exchange for those clean tests? And then Jordan breaks down and starts yelling in to the galley, being like you said you were going to fix this, and he's not even

talking to Donna. He's talking to her boss, Ralph Kessel, the guy we met at the beginning, and so Barbara goes, so did he convince you to testify for the defense? And the guy, poor Jordan, I mean, he goes, these people own your ass. You want to stay out of prison, you do anything they say, So it's not like he had much of a choice in like coming up with this story, I feel like. And the lawyer again goes, I need a recess your honor, and Barba goes, I'm

sure you do, and then he walks by. The lawyer leans in and goes, never trust a junkie, and the lawyer goes. The lawyer makes a look like he's right, and he looks very defeated, and it's hilarious. I like watching this guy get his just desserts. In the next scene, Barbara and Liver are in a room meeting with Donna and her lawyer and she's willing to plead guilty to evidence tampering and lose her job and they're like, she raped a man at gunpoint, and he's like, there's no

proof of that. No jury is going to convict a female rapist like they basically never have, and she doesn't want to be humiliated by talking about her sex life life up there. It lives like or going to jail as a parole officer, which is very likely right now.

And so then the guy goes, okay, evidence tampering, one year probation, and they're like, what about the rape And they're like, okay, we'll add sexual misconduct, and Barbara wants five years probation and she goes on the registry and she goes, that doesn't work for me, and Live goes, you better rethink that, bitch, because if you go to jail for five years as a PO, it's going to

be a really brutal for you. And Donna looks scared shitless, and so she kind of like wordlessly agrees, like there's no way I can go to jail, so let's not gamble with the jury. So then Donna gets one last monologue to Olivia. She goes, you don't get what it's like. You cops lock these animals up and you never have to deal with them again. I'm supposed to rehabilitate them. I give up my life and my marriage for this job. And then tom By Goldberg, Yes, it's very what be

Goldberg's final thing? She goes, and then Tommy Sullivan walks in all pumped about his pregnant girlfriend and his wonderful new life, like obviously, that's like what broke her about the whole situation was that he was like going to get out of the system and be happy. And meanwhile, it's like, this is a guy who sold weed while delivering pizza. He's not a murderer. She's like you, these animals, they never change. It's like he was a weed delivery guy.

Like this is crazy what you're how you're trying to I'm sure you have other clients that are horrible.

morals or morals. And that's what Jesus Christ said, Yeah, and so that's why I'm so into my series.

Like because what is she talking about? She committed a crime like she knows she did, like we saw it almost happen on the show. So it's weird that she's like somehow Tommy Sullivan dragged you down to his level. Like, I don't understand what the show is trying to say with this final monologue about this woman. Yes, it's a hard job. It's like with Whoopie Goldberg's monologue, It's like,

this is a fucking hard job. Kids fall through the cracks and tragedies like this happened because this system is fucked up. What is she saying though the system is fucked up. I get all these animals, So if I want to rape a guy who delivered weed and pizza, sometime, I'm allowed to do that. Like, I don't really get what she's saying, or like what the show is trying to say here about her worldview because she's just blaming

it on criminals. But I guess it's about the dehumanization of people that have been in jail or incarcerated at all, like X convex, Like she's just like, these are animals and they're all the same, and it's one size fits all. They're all degenerates, they'll all try to screw you over, so what does it matter what we do to them? Basically, and Barba's like, get this hot mess out of here, and it's like, yeah, she's sick. So they leave and Careesy is giving Bella the update back at the apartment.

No jail for Donna, but she is losing her job. She's going on the sex registry and they're gonna look at her boss Kressel as well see if he's been doing more cover ups. And they're dropping the drug charge against Tommy, so he'll get out soon. So we're basically back where we started at the beginning. Tommy and Bella in the apartment. What's happening with this baby? So Caresi tells her sister it took a real man for him

to get up in court and tell the truth. And he did what he did for you and the baby. And suddenly there's a knock at the door and it's Tommy and it's like, doesn't he live there? I don't know why he's knocking, but they hug like they there's a moment where you can't tell her, babe, he changed the locks. Yeah, oh that's true. Maybe she did. There's a moment where you're like, yeah, maybe she changed the locks.

Maybe she's changed her mind about this guy altogether, Like she finally broke after ten years of this shit, and then she brings him in for a hug and it feels like, you know, they're gonna be okay, and he goes, it's all gonna be okay. We're gonna be okay. And so at first I wrote, you kind of can't tell if she kept the baby or not because she had kind of a guilty look when like he opened the door, like we were like, oh did she get did she

do an abortion? And I was like, ooh, it's a Catholic KARESI mystery, But she did keep it because I remembered that. In Patrimonial Burden, Coreesi mentions having a new niece, and then in the episode What Can Happen in the Dark, he mentions that Bella and Tommy got married, so you know, baby or no baby, that's dick Wolf. But it looks like Bella and Tommy finally got hitched and have their little family. And so hopefully he's turning over a new leaf.

you know. Fucked up? Yeah, Like, okay, the laws changed, let everybody out like it's wild, but that I am. They want the free labor. Yeah, oh yeah, we charges going away is gonna like empty out a lot of the jails and a lot of not empty them out completely, of course, but like thin them out. But I'm looking forward to hearing about the crimes that you've got lined up for us. So everybody just listen to these messages from our sponsors and we'll be right back. All right.

is Andrew Dysmuke's d mux Us. Yeah, he was one of the comics that was with us at Moon Tower, and he did a joke that he loves watching biopics and his favorite part is at the end of the movie where they show the photo of the real person and he's like, they're not as hot, and that I and that he doesn't care about the movie anymore because it's like I only cared because these people were hot, and that's how I feel about this. This woman should be so lucky that Susan Sharon was playing her, and

that's how I feel. But they do have a similar blonde vibes. But it is I just kept thinking about his joke because it was so recent from when I heard it to when I did this research, and I did keep laughing at every article I found. But so this guy, her victim, was paroled on January second, twenty fourteen, and they engaged in so they were not doing anything while he was incarcerated. They started engaging in a relationship January fifth to the eleventh, while he was serving time

in a halfway home. And then Samantha was married at the time of the crime. And I'll explain why it was a crime because you're like, wait, but he's out, what's going on? Yeah?

I could not find any court activity or convictions, but I did find her on the sex Registry list, so that does mean she was convicted of something, but I could not. Like all the articles I found were like when this happened, So February of twenty fourteen, it was like charged, charged, charged, and that's why our news sucks. It was like ooh, salacious, silatious, and then there was no updates on convictions. But since she's on the registry, we can assume she was convicted of something. She has

tons of aliases. But I found her and she's in Milton, Kentucky. She's forty eight years old, and yeah, Samantha and Clay Combe as of now, and she's living it out in Kentucky.

taste of Chicago is raging. The city is alive, it's hot, everyone's out and about so she offered the victim a ride, and after he got in the car, she pulled a gun on him and demanded he get into the backseat of the car and have sex with her friend. And it's like okay, like was her, what's going on? Like I want more details? Like it really bothers me that

I couldn't get more information on anything. He begged for them to stop, but she forced him to put his hands on her breasts and butt, and then the man eventually escaped when he saw a CAB's headlights nearby, and he escaped wearing only a T shirt.

and had a previous conviction for a prostitution. She was booked by Cook County Sheriff's Department on September fifth and charged with aggravated criminal sexual assault and armed robbery for stealing two hundred dollars and his credit cards and an iPhone.

has done a ton of incredible projects. He's played Cal Chapman on Orange is the New Black because you know we are going to collect them all, and he has a main role on the show on Apple called Severance that people are obsessed with. He's also in the new Rachel Vice show called Dead Ringers. But you know him today as Bella Caresi's sad sack boyfriend Tommy Sullivan. Guys, please check out our chat with Michael Churnis.

I remember because it's the two scenes. There's an interrogation scene and then there's the scene in the mental health facility where I throw the chair and that's like some acting is required, and so in an audition that's always awkward where you just have to go for it and people are just staring at you, and I really thought I totally screwed it up and was shocked when I got offered that episode.

half years apart. Yeah, yeah, I had forgotten how close. I mean, there are two different characters and they're totally pretty close together in the Cannon.

I used to call him, but he was great. He was lovely, and it was you know, it's always very fast. I rewatched both of them recently. I was like, god, I remember just when you're guess, it's such a weird thing to be dropped in the middle of this, you know, especially with SVU, this train that's just been rolling for years and everybody, the regulars, know what they're doing, and you're just it's your first day and it's just crazy,

you know. And so he was awesome. I don't really remember much more than just being totally freaked out and probably have like standing outside of myself the whole time.

And yeah, but he was great. And the chair throwing day was weird because anytime you have to do any kind of anything that could be violent, even though it's like I'm throwing it at a wall, there's just so many more people who are involved on set, like stunt coordinators, And I just got really in my head about throwing this chair, and I remember just like, how do I do that?

I've known Kelly Gettish for years, and Peter Scanavino and all these people I've just we've all been in play readings and audition rooms together for decades now, and so it's so fun to watch Law and Order and just see this great parade of New York actors every episode.

at the time it was like shocking. I remember the commercials for it before the episode air were like a male rape victim, dun dun, du, Like it was just something you've never heard of Yeah, which, of course it of course that happens as they talk about in the episode. But yeah, I felt like, oh, this is exciting, this is different. This could I don't want to say like groundbreaking, but it could be interesting and something that people don't usually see or think about.

like a World War two cosplay group or something. And so I feel like I was always showing up with different like hair lengths and stuff on Orange because I was just a recurring character. Yeah, yeah, a couple. So yeah this this I think aired in twenty fifteen.

So we shot that whole first season not really knowing like what the impact of it was going to be, and.

character's brother in law. And I don't want to spoil anything, but I've written a book called The You You are that is a self help book that then has some impact on the.

the directors should like just be quiet. I was trying to do like a big acting thing at one point, and they were like, yeah, but someone could be listening. You never know if a guard's gonna walk by. Or whatever. No, it's hushed. I love how seriously everyone takes being on SVU, because like when you're watching it at home, I'm like, this is ridiculous.

But also I think it's funny when like you're obviously a skilled dramatic actor, but you've done comedy as well, and you can just tell when comedy people like they can't not make so funny sometimes, Like like even Martin Short was like a total creep in an episode of SBU, but he had like one or two lines where you're like, you can still tell he's a comedy guy. You know this horrible like killing There.

kidding obsessed. I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, and I really wanted to move to New York and I really wanted to be an actor, and I think for me it it felt like a real honest representation of living in New York City. So my junior of high school, there was always like the Fall Play and the Spring Musical. But in the winter there was this open slot called the Underground Theater at my high school where juniors and

seniors could direct like a little skit or whatever. They would give upperclassmen like a half an hour to direct something at my high school. And so I decided I would direct an episode of Mad About You for the stage oh and cast myself as Paul Buckman, which is the character Paul Riser played. And I was going to choose a crossover Seinfeld Mad About You episode where Kramer appears and we find out that Kramer's apartment on Seinfeld actually used to belong to Paul Reiser, and he's actually

subletting it to Kramer. So I now have the task of casting a Kramer from Rocky River High School in the suburbs of Cleveland, and also in nineteen ninety three or whenever, this was how you adapted Mad About You for the stage, or how I did to tape it with the DCR and then press play and then they'd say a line, you press pause and write it down

on a piece of paper. And so I hand wrote the entire episode and then took it to my dad's office on the weekend to use the xerox machine and xerox copies of this and held auditions at my high school. And so like I was this Mad About You super fan who like did a Rushmore style stage production, And all of a sudden, years later, I'm standing a sub Pauliser on the carpet and I freaked out, like I

couldn't believe I was staying Wow, my hero. I got to work with Tom Hanks on Captain Phillips for like eight weeks, which was extraordinary, and we one of the first nights we both slept overnight on the ship like we were normally staying at a hotel, but we had a real, actual merchant Marine container ship that we shot the movie on, and we asked if we could like spend the night at sea with a real crew of actual merchantcymen who were operating the ship. And so that

was crazy. Meeting him and spending that much time with him was definitely a starstruck moment.

that too. But another quick Cleveland story. When I was a kid, my best friend's mom worked at the local regional theater, the Great Legs Theater Festival, and that's actually where Hanks got his very first professional acting job, like where he got his equity card during Shakespeare and he comes back a lot to like give back and he did this one night fundraiser where he did a one man performance or whatever, and my best friend's mom was like, do you guys want to come see the show for

free and then you can work the after party like be bus boys or whatever. I was like, oh my god, yes, I have to do that. And our first task of the night after the show was to stand at this Cleveland restaurant in the parking lot. It was a snowy, cold, bitter cold Cleveland night, and we had to stand in the parking space right in front of the restaurant, right in front of the door for mister Hanks's car. And we're out there freezing all night waiting for him to

show up. And his car finally pulls up and he jumps out of the car and he's really skinny because he'd been doing Philadelphia at the time. Oh, and he's got this weird little beanie cap on and he sees us and he goes, how's it going, cats, And like my little teenage brain was blown. And all night I just stood near his table like weirdly, trying to refill his water every thirty seconds and not doing any of my other bus boy duties. And it was just like

a pivotal memory for me as a kid. And so then fast forward years later, I'm on this like ship in Malta where we made Captain Phillips, spending the night with him and we're just shooting the ship and he's like, where are you from. I'm from Cleveland. He's like, oh, I know Cleveland. I was like, I know. We met, and I told him that whole story, and his only response to the entire story was, I never would have said.

just stumbled upon the eighth grade play. Really like, I had a great English teacher who would always make us get up and read from Dickens or whatever thing we were reading, and he said, like, you have a great speaking voice, you should audition for the school play. And in this eighth grade they were doing a production of the Hobbit, and I auditioned and was cast as Gandalf the Wizard and just fell in love with it. I mean just was immediately like I was struck by lightning.

Like I was like, this is what I want to do in every element, Like there were other kids who seemed like me, who were obsessed with TV and movies and pop culture, and everybody was nice and not mean, and I wasn't getting beat up, and I felt like I was good at it and like had almost like

this innate in stinked for doing it. Also my dad, you know, as a young man, I was like always wanting my dad's like attention and approval, and supposedly when I first came on stage, he was like very moved by me speaking on stage, and my first line was, ah the Shire, how delicious the morning is in this part of the world. The air is stuffed with comfort. And for years then my dad would always like come down to breakfast and go, ah the Shire, Ah the Shire.

That's how you sounded, Mike, ah the shy or this booming voice. And so is this this like folklore in my family of ah the Shire and almost became like shorthand for just like a major moment was like an

ah the shier moment. And years later I had a woman I was dating in New York come home for the holidays with me, and I was like, we gotta pop in the tape, we gotta I gotta show you where it all started, you know, Ah the Shire, And this grainy VHS tape out comes this kid in like a Halloween wizard outfit, this a purple robe with like a fake white beard, and I'm like.

a jerky thing at the Oscars. But like I worked with him on Men in Black three and I didn't have a lot of credits to my name at the time, and he was just the best, Like he was so kind to me, and you know, like Marishka, I feel like maybe when people are like a producer on something as well, and they are sort of the franchisers is like an added responsibility. But he would always call me Big Mic and you'd be like, we got Big Mic today, we got Big Mic on set. Let's go this is

a big day MiB three. And he was just such a He was so supportive of me, and he didn't have to be. I had two little scenes, but one of my scenes is on the top of the Chrysler building and we're both gonna He's gonna jump off of it to go back in time with whatever some men in Black three made up time travel logic. So we obviously we weren't on the top of the Chrysler building, but it was on a sound stage and they'd built maybe a thirty foot high replica of the top of

the maybe even forty foot. It was this huge, huge thing in this giant warehouse at Steiner Studios, and it looked just like the top of the Chrysler building, which has these four like eagle heads or griffin heads coming off of it, and that's what we had to stand on and Agent j was going to jump off of So we're up very high and we're harnessed in so we don't if we fall, we don't die, and they have all these giant fans that are going to blow on us to represent like alien ships blowing air on

us or whatever. And the whole crew is down below and Barry Sondenfeld's directing, and he has like literally a megaphone because we're so far away from him. And I've rehearsed this scene so many times beforehand with Will at home. But I've all this made up, you know, alien gobblede gooks, you know, made up nonsense that I have to say. And the first take they call action and I walk out to the edge of this eagle head and I

can't remember a word of it. Like I not only can I not remember my lines, I don't know who I am, Like I couldn't tell you my address or and I go into like a fugue state. I'm just like, uh a line, and Barry Sonenfeld yells through the megaphone like God Jesus Christ and like go back, go back to one reset, and I'm totally freaking out. I'm like, my career is over. I'm gonna get fired. And I say to mister Will Smith, I'm like, I'm so sorry, and he goes, what are you apologizing for? We make

movies and pieces. We're gonna be here all day. We're gonna do like a million takes of this. I'm gonna forget stuff. You're gonna forget stuff. We're gonna have lunch, we're gonna come back, we're gonna be tired after lunch. We're gonna forget more lines. We make movies and pieces. Let's go, let's do it. And it was like the greatest gift ever. It was just like this moment where he just opened it up for me and it was like, oh, right, right, yeah, we make movies and pieces. This isn't a play like

I didn't. And I say that now all the time to other actors. If I'm on a show and there's a guest star who forgets their lines and goes into a panic attack tailspin, I say, don't worry about it. We make movies and pieces. Yeah, and so yeah, it was just that was such a shot. I mean, we don't need to talk about it because it's been dissected

in the press for the past year. But I was shocked to see that level of violent aggression from him because he was just the kindest man in the world to me, and he didn't.

I think at the time. Now, this is a six part limited series and Rachel Weiss, the very very talented, lovely Rachel Weiss, plays the to the twins, the twin characters the Mantle Twins, Elliot and Beverly Mantle. So it's a it's a wild sort of thriller, psychological thriller, sort of sci fi about these two brilliant scientists doctors who are opening a state of the art women's birthing center

in New York. Yeah. So I play an embryologist on the show who is sort of the best and maybe only friend of one of the two Mantle twins, Elliott Mantle, who Rachel Vice plays. And it's really good. I think it's really weird and fun and sexy and creepy and thought provoking. So that's April twenty first on Amazon. Her list.

and it was kind of weird. She kept sort of following us around the store and she looked very concerned. Finally she comes up to me and says, are you okay? Hey, how are you doing? She had completely mixed me up with the character and thought that I, Michael Turnis had been raped by my parole officer. So I said, people tell Kelly Giddis she shouldn't be in a casino. So you're not the first person to get mixed up with your mistaken for your SBU character.

Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment where we direct you to a blog post, a podcast episode, an organization, something to help you get more info about whatever we touched on in this week's episode, and this week I want to point you guys to the Anti Recidivism Coalition. Recidivism is like returning back to incarceration after you are released because a lot of people, we don't make it easy for people who have just gotten out of prison

to reintegrate into society. And so the goal of this coalition is to quote empower formerly and currently incarcerated people to thrive by providing a support network, comprehensive re entry services, and opportunities to advocate for policy change. So they provide advocacy, mental health services, housing and creative groups that provide quote

healing through creative expressions. So I love that, and I really feel like Orange is the New Black with tasty storyline and piper storyline of getting out and what it's like to get out and get back into the world is like made me realize that this is a big problem for people. So check out Anti Recidivism dot org for more info and you can donate and as usual, that will be saved in the highlight WWSPD on our Instagram page the day the episode comes out. Yes, thank you for that.

I don't know what they think is gonna happen. They think people are just gonna go back and watch old stuff or stuff that's just there, that they don't need new stuff, so they're willing to just not make new programming.

The I listened to a whole episode of the podcast today with my friend Adam Conover, who's like one of the heads of the WGA negotiating people, and like it's like they're not coming to the table on crazy shit, Like they're like, hey, can we just agree that, like you can't use AI to replace us and the AMTMP

or whatever. Like the Negotiating Studio Organization was like we can agree to have a meeting about it once a year, and it's like what, Like that's not what anyone's asking for as a yearly meeting to stop robots from taking our jobs, you know, so like it's they're really not coming to the table on all. And I heard that they are just focused on creating content for background so people could be on their phones, and they don't care about making good television. They just need something to be

there while we're scrolling. It's wy yes, sorry, I feel like maybe I'm Yeah. Also, if you've made it to the bitter end, I watched Shrek three yesterday.