Inconceivable w/ Kevin Kane

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Yeah, we just had a blast at the Moontower Comedy Festival. I know we're in the time machine at this point. This will come out in like, you know, a week or two after we left Austin. But thank you to everybody who came out. We had such a good time. The shows are so back to back. We got to meet a few people and take some selfies. But if you come to our regular live shows, you guys know we meet everybody, we take pics, we sell fun tour

And Elias the Tower was so fun.

Karen and I also sang skater Boy for the goddamn comedy Jam. Yes, and my favorite part was I got off stage and I went up to someone. I was like, oh my god, I'm so out of breath and he went We heard, which was amazing, but it was a whirlwind.

We had to learn the words, we had rehearsal. Everything was wild.

But it's also like a social affair, Like it's a comedy festival.

We're all on the road. We all live busy lives.

Everyone is working, everyone's traveling, everyone lives in different cities, and so comedy festivals are really just like this time where we really.

Don't respect the festival. Everyone was on mushrooms. Everyone is drinking all day. Everyone is like out of control. We're doing short sets.

I mean we.

Respect our podcast. Of course we had like the best time. I was pretty sober, I would say.

But the book us at a hotel with a pool.

So basically, yeah, there's like which they didn't do when we were the year and a half ago. So a year and a half ago, it's like, Okay, who's going to bart and springs, Who's going to get lunch? Now it's like everybody's just meet at the pool. We were just like all at the pool all day. Everybody liked drinking and like it was just wiping each other down with sunscreen. It was it was fun.

Yes, but after our show, we ran, I did another show. Then we had to like run Our friends rolled a blunt and we had to change and then and then it's like you run into all of your friends.

Everyone is chatting.

So then by the time we got to our venue, I put on sneakers, we walk and as we got to the venue they announced us to walk on stage.

It was it see if we were there, we were just like they said her names. We went right on and then we had Brad Williams. If you guys know the comedian Brad Williams. He was our skater boy, so he came out at the very end when we both forgot.

The words that Avrilavin is wild. The choruses are different. H The chorus is not the same throughout the song. Yeah, because it tells a story, and.

Like it's very like da da da da da, you know.

So like the music is loud, and I was like, they can't even hear me, and so I just started like hype, like dancing for Brad. And there's like I have a video that somebody posted of us where the last fifteen seconds of the song, I'm not even attempting a word. Lisa is still trying to do some words, and I'm just dancing around Brad like a fly girl.

It's it was wild. It was so fun. It was fun.

And I like also at this fest that I meet people. You had a couple of friends there that I've heard about through you forever, but I had never met them in person. So like that was fun to meet new comics from New York or people that started in other cities and now live in New York. In LA and you meet some of the new young ones. You meet some of the old ones you've never met before.

It's fun. I did the golf event. There was a golf event.

I golfed with like managers and agents and people who paid to golf with the talent, which was so weird. But it was like this whole list golf course in Austin that's like not mini golf at all, but not full Tiger Woods golf. But I kept going at every hole, where are we hitting the ball? And they'd be like that flag over there, and I kept going, that's far and these like agents were just like rolling their eyes at me because like I've only ever mini golfed, so

Staying up till like four to six seven in the morning every night. Yeah, so there was just no way I was going to golf either way. But I just don't the idea of be here at eleven getting this car. No, I just need to go to the pool. I need a casual. Yeah, I need to eat Jimmy John's in my bed, Like I just can't be forced to plan. That's why I loved the pool deck because everything else, like I was getting texts that's like eleven thirty breakfast

No.

Some people like a plan.

Some people like I was talking to one of my favorite comedians of all time. I won't even bring her up, I won't say her my name, but she was like, I'm not that good at socializing, and so she just reached out to me and was like, do you want to get lunch? And I was like, yes, of course,

Make a plan.

So I'm happy to make a plan with people that are I talked to a few comics that were like, these these festivals give me social anxiety, and I was like, wow, it's so hard for me to relate because these fast kind of festivals like energize me and make me. I like love them so much, and I feel like you feel the same way, you know to me, I love a little bit.

Of social anxiety. It's definitely it is.

I just love organized fun where everyone's around and I don't have to plant like but not too organized. Yeah, not too organized.

But to the fact, even when I went to just put on sneakers, then the elevator doors open and we ran into three people that we enjoyed talking to for two y Yes, Like anywhere you go there's someone that you like, even if it's not your favorite favorite person.

It's like, oh great, I'll.

Hang with you for a few years yea, or like for a half hour, or let's walk to this venue together. You know. It's like there's a bud everywhere, and so I kind of I enjoy that life. Yeah, in terms of fest life, I'm trying to think what there must have been other wild shit though, and there was minimum drama, like I had to to like dig to be annoyed by someone, you know, there was really minimal. I think it's because everyone was on mushrooms. We were all everyone

It's just like wear are you up? Whar are you up?

I got to go see one of my favorites do an hour like I mean, I had a great time. And then I flew home and I got to my back to my house at eight am and was immediately having to parent. My son broke a lamp within an hour of me being home. Had a tiny cut on his finger that he didn't even cry about, so we didn't notice the lamp was broken until we noticed his hand had blood on It's just wildlife out which lamp was it? A little one in the guest room like?

Oh my god.

And I got to sit next to a celebrity in the car to the airport and next to me on the plane, who ended up being the nicest person I will be.

I was already a fan.

I played it cool, but I will be a fan for life is Ben Schwartz. So if any of you are fans of Ben Schwartz, you can go gung ho. Because kind I sat in the car with his parents. His mother and father came from New York and we shared our shuttle to the airport and then I would be horrified, but he was like, oh, are you a I'm sitting in B And I was like, because he's like, maybe we're sitting next to each other in the flight, and I go, well, I'm not in first class.

He goes, neither am I. And so we were comfort.

We were comfort, but his friend and then you're you know, Spencer. So they were the last row of first class. So they were playing. They were really being really funny about us and trying to like, well, they were actually ignoring me. They were talking to bench sharks, but they were playing jokes and like leaving him out and like being like like trying to like really make fun of him for being in comfort. But he was so nice. I gave him space, but he talked to me. I got to

Yeah, but he's like the voice of Sonic two, I mean the voice of Sonic like I'm doing Huey Louie. Yeah, yeah, like he just does he fingers in a lot.

Of pots, you know, he's success.

I didn't realize it because they kept making fun of Sonic because they wanted to watch Spencer was like putting Sonic on the Delta screen and then going to take a selfie with him in comfort while watching Sonic.

That's so funny.

But he was just like nice and like beyond I don't know. I just was like thrilled, and I got to talk to his parents and he just I don't know. I know, celebs sometimes are just like us, but he's nice sort of I ever would have been to anybody.

I was gonna say, it's he woke me rushing, he got me up.

It's really refreshing. We had that experience.

Because like I don't think we've talked about it since on the podcast, but like the week before Moontower, I was in Fort Lauderdale with all of my siblings for my sister's birthday. My sister had a big birthday and so we planned this trip down to Florida with a bunch of her friends and my siblings, and people were just telling me about comedians they.

Liked, and I just kept going.

Yeah, and they were like, is he bad?

And I was like not the best, and I.

Just had to keep telling people like your fave is problematic and it's just nice to be like, oh, Ben Schwartz, good guy, you know what I mean, Like I've never heard anything bad about him, but also like the approval of being like a nice person, no beyond nice.

And because we were talking about because he did the theater with his friends, and then we were talking and then he was I was like, oh, have you done Radio City and he goes yeah. I'm like, oh wow, that's incredible, and we just talking about venues. And then to his parents he goes, well, you know, she performs at the Seller, which is very iconic. Like he was like hyping me up for playing this tiny venue in

Can speak Hindi but not sound too Indian? What the fuck is wrong with you? He sent me a review and an article about Indian matchmaking from the New York Times. The last line of the article is what I texted him, I can write for the New York Times, like I had like the journalist's opinion.

But they were just talking about how it's so old school.

But I'm like, yeah, whether it's Indian people, white people, brown people, shaws whatever, we're watching rich maniacs on television, you know what I mean? Because right, they all because the whole New York Times article was like, it's regressive, it's Auntie is. It's people being like I want someone in my same religion or whatever, you know, And I'm like, I'm like, yeah.

I'm not.

I but I do think some people learn really valuable lessons and do fine love. And I do like her vibe, but I see the cultural issues with it too. But I'm not gonna stop watching, and I already finished it, but yeah, but it was just like interesting.

I like that I had the same perspective. Is this like New York Time writer big in That's great. I know that's on my list of things I gotta watch. I know you and Michelleins both love that little nugget.

Well because and then the part of the article that was upsetting the person too was like she keeps telling the women like you, you're being too picky. You need to settle, you need to settle, And she was like, that's just like fucked up, Like stop telling women that they need to settle. But she is telling the men too. But it's also like maybe a woman should go on a date with a bald man.

I don't know.

Yeah, but then I saw a TikTok that was like, shut up, stop telling women that they need to like go on dates with people that are not attracted to It's like a trick.

Why do men get to be superficial and not women. It's like not nice. Yeah, everyone to mean uperficial. But then it's like, I don't know, I have no idea. I also follow a little nudge as you do as well. Who's a dating coach, and she's always like, you don't have to be like you're dating to get to know someone. You don't need to like be blown over with romantic connection on like the first date, like go on a second.

One, see what's up.

I don't know. I don't know if that's But she also wrote something today that she says she thinks men all have to pay, and I didn't really, that's not my I don't think that's true. Jared and I when we dated, like he paid a bunch, I paid a bunch. It was like very no. But she's not always she's saying first date.

I saw that post, that's it first date.

Now, I got the vibe that it was first date. But I agree with her. Okay, if it's just first date, fine. I thought it was like men pay on dates, and I was like, I can't with that.

That's like not us.

I always felt too like I had to split with someone that I knew I wasn't like into. I was like, I'm gonna split with you because like I feel too bad.

No, I feel I agree with that well, But what I do like that she said was there's a place for feminism, chivalry, and men paying like, yeah, I.

Don't like that.

Men use that they have to pay on first dates as like negating feminism as a whole. You know, it's like like it like, for some reason feminism is now does not exist because women want men to pay on dates, right, No, you don't.

Actually that's not the valid argument there.

And then there's in cells that are like women just expect men to be walking bank accounts, and it's like, no, that's you either, but you set that up like that's the whole thing.

It's like men want to be providers and women sit at home and suck your dick, and then you're mad when women are like, fine, then pay for dinner. Yeah, and the people in the comments we're saying and you're so not paying for dinner because the girl is hungry and you're doing charity work.

You want to get your dick sucked.

So stop acting like you're some magnanimous person feeding women from the goodness of your heart. You want something, you want something from them, and so stop setting up you were like you're the one with outdated gender roles and then you're mad when women.

Fulfill them, like it's crazy.

Es.

Yes, it's like I've been seeing so many. There's this Twitter I don't even know. I don't even follow it, but I get alerted every time it tweets. That's called ask Aubrey, and it's literally all women writing in like am I the asshole? Or no, it's men too, it's just am I the assholes? Where the man is being a full psychopath, which maybe is all am I the assholes?

Seem like it's just men.

From another time period, This one guy wrote in and was like, my wife only cares about the kids. She only focuses on the kids, and she doesn't have any friends or any social life. After he goes on for two paragraphs, he reveals they have seven fucking kids, and he goes on a fishing trip once a month and makes multiple plans in the week to go up with

Anyway, should we get started?

Yeah, we could talk about yellow jackets another day, but I have a sneaky watching.

Yeah I am watching.

I'm halfway through the third episode, so I'm like two behind, like I'm gonna catch up today. Yeah, and then.

We'll talk about All Stars line and we have a lot. I mean, thank god this podcast is not gonna end anytime soon. Yeah, you keep rolling on, but you know what, I am annoyed with that we don't have new svus constantly, Like I miss the days of old television where every week I got a new episode of fucking television.

I know. Well, also really quickly before we sign off, we probably do have to comment on the fact that the season all it either hasn't aired or it's airing like in two days but Rollins comes back pregnant. I don't know, she just left like three months ago. I mean, I know that's like pregnant, but it just seems like wild. She's back on. I think there's a crossover for the finale, and there's gonna be she's gonna be on OC a

Okay.

So we're doing Inconceivable today, And is this the word from Princess Bride that everyone gets inconfavable?

Yes, so this is the word, this is whatever? Yes, this is the word.

Okay.

So Inconceivable Season nine, episode fourteen, we open up on a sunny New York City day and we're following, you know.

A sweater over a dress shirt kind of guy. He has a coat on.

He's a dork and he's blabbering on a self walking in the streets, talking about an interview, and he's like, I'm gonna put my communications degree on, you know, I'm gonna it's finally gonna pay off. And I would argue that a communications degree is the most bs degree. Everyone talks about English, all these other communications is the most bullshit degree of all, more than liberal arts, more than anything. When I hear communications, degree, I hear your bullshit.

Bullshit, I don't really here.

Yeah, I just don't understand, like it's just so broad, like I mean, and I say this as an English in a theater double major people. I'm not saying I had like a very substantive you know major. But yeah, communications just is like in what way corporate communication?

Like what kind of communicating?

Like, isn't communicating part of everything? I don't know.

It's very large, it's very big, umbrella. It's bullshit.

They're gonna come for us. You communications majors are coming for us. They know, they know it's bullshit.

And in the major they learn how to communicate their bullshit and that that's what it is. And then they go on to consult, which is more bullshit.

I don't need. Yeah, that's what it is. Consulting, the ultimate bullshit. Yeah.

And so he's talking about a high tech firm.

I don't buy a I wrote. He's bullshitting.

And so he enters a building, throws down a magazine at a receptionist to his deadpan, like what do you want from me? And he's cocky, and he goes, I can help you, and she she's.

Not buying anything.

And then I see his face and you could tell he's so young, he's so inexperience.

There's nothing he can possibly.

Do to help anyone at any time at all, like except maybe how to make pizza rolls. And she hates him, and there's a sheen of sweat on his face as well. And he says that he saw they were advertising for Ivy League sperm and it pays up to.

Fifty thousand dollars. She's like, no, babe, that's for egg donors. You get one hundred dollars per And he doesn't really like that pay gap. He calls it sexist, and she has to explain, well, it's a much simpler procedure and you can perform it on yourself if you know what she means. So he's like, well, since i'm down here, you know, I'll jerk off into a cup, why not?

He can give sperm twice a week for up to two years.

They both look away when they hear a noise and there's a fight.

There's commotions.

Someone's yelling stop her, and it's a woman in medical gear. She's running out with a big medical container. It looks like a helium tank and she wax the sweater Finance bro in the head.

He falls over, and you know, we love that.

It's like a cartoonish opening, like it is really funny, like this guy's like, you guys want my IVY league Jiz and then it's like stop her and she's got like a huge metal thing and it's just like I feel like the Benny Hills soundtrack should be.

At the same time, it's like, so goofy, I don't.

Know one hundred percent, and the front desk woman looks so worried, and the person with the tank does run off and the blonde hair flying behind them out of their little medical caps. So that's a clue and we find that. We cut to the office where Craigan is with the big time boss guy, you know, Burley guy, and they walk in to see Benson, who's like, oh fuck, the Chief of dees is here.

What does that even mean? The Defense chief of detectives. I think, oh, okay, he doesn't look happy. Yeah, Stabler whose back is towards them, is like, fuck, what did I do now? But he's like, hey, I heard you have a baby, and he's actually in a fine mood. He's into the baby.

And he actually assigns them a case that's top priority robbery, an aggravated assault. He explains a deranged female purp stole a portable cryo tank from a clinic and there are one hundred frozen embryos in the tank and those are potential children, and he calls them special victims. And we're off to do the case. And I love Benson's hair here. I love it. It's very Robin Wright in House of Cars, with a little posh spice like short but there's body and bounce and it's tucked behind the ear and I

Know, rate trauma.

Yeah, yeah, there's no gang violence.

Just a helium container full of embryos.

Yeah, which could be tragic, but honestly, this is a vacation for us house.

This is really nice.

For us.

This is a gift episode.

So he is walking into the precinct and he's bitching, Okay, he's bitching about the previous detective who had the case before it was given to SVU because the handwriting is terrible, and Benson adds there's also horrible detective work. There's no leads, there's no suspects, nothing, and it's a Chesterlake episode, which I don't know. I'm not We're not that child. Yeah, And of course Taylor's like, I don't know. He's a good guy. What's the problem with him?

Guys?

And then Benson's like, well, no, he's rude as hell, Like in his notes he wrote hormonal wanna be Mama reinterview And Benson's like, listen, Marty's fine, but it's good we're handling this case.

Okay.

So Stabler's like, well, now I know why we're handling the case. Guess who's one of those stolen embryos belongs to the police commissioner and his wife. And Benson's like yeah, and I'm sure there as sad as everyone else whose embryos are in that container. But Stabler is still pissed and is like, no, we have other cases that we should be working on, Like we've talked about earlier.

Dungeons, dragons, Oh, let's station dragons, dungeons, dragon tattoos. Yes, all the things we've done recently. Yes, So suddenly he's not Catholic for once, He's not about embryos, you know, like I'm surprised, stablers, not like we need missing posters for one hundred babies, like honestly, like, it's really not like him to not think that these are little baby, little frozen babies. No, this is not in line with his Catholicism at all.

And as usual.

Do you think Tinsley's babies were in there?

My babies?

No?

But the thing with her is the doctor kept being like, they're not they're not, They're just eggs and then but that wouldn't stop them.

They just kept bawling.

I love Tinsley, honestly, I would put her in my top twenty.

I love really. Yeah, I'm drinking lu Amne like that to me.

I loved that, And I love her crying in the in the make like she just she just has an unhealthy relationship with her mother and that is stopping her from leading the true life that she wants to live, which is free, a free, happy life, you know what I mean with not a telemarketing scam guy in Chicago, like.

Oh my god, the coupon king. Yeah.

The pressures of society and her mother got to her and have constricted her.

But I think deep down she's a cool.

The pressures of being a New York society yeah, and being a New York society queen and having like a certain life pan out for you, but.

I think she likes that. Like, I think she liked being a society girl. Yeah, And I.

Think that If you don't know what we're talking about, it's Real Housewives of New York. A few seasons back, Tinsley Mortimer, look her up. She had a cameo on Gossip Girl as herself. So that she's been arrested and Palm Beach Baby, she did it before Lawanne she made getting arrested in Palm Beach.

Cool. Wait, but what's her sister's name?

Her sister, Oh my god, dab Dabney Tansley and Dabney.

It's too good. It's too good.

So anyways, Elliot's not being Catholic. He doesn't believe these embryos are valuable at all, and then Benson has a great line I would say the line of the episode, and she says, it's not like somebody stole their hubcaps, Elliot.

You freaked out over someone using your credit card for wacky African art. These are people's embryos, some people's last chance at having children.

And then she's like, do you know what they went through to get these embryos?

And he goes, no, I don't what. I had kids the old fashioned way, Dick. So then Benson reminds him, well, not everyone's as blessed, and then it cuts to Chester and Finn watching like truly put popcorn into their.

Hands, haha.

And so they all flags some cases that are considered troubled and that we're part of the stolen batch, and Finn and Chester are going to go talk to the troubled families while Benson and Stabler are going to go down to the clinic. Stabler picks up a file and

I don't know if you remember that from an early season.

And he says the patients don't want their info release, and this is confusing to Benson. She's like, well, why wouldn't they want to cooperate If my future kids were stolen? I would and he's like, listen, it's a private matter. And some I just haven't even gotten a hold of, Like, what do you want from me? He's trying his best. I trust him. I don't think this is one of those situations where it's like shady doctor.

So Sailor's like, okay, find anyone unhappy with your services, and he's like, yeah, lots of unhappy people anytime the procedure fails.

Some are morally opposed to what I do. And Stabler's like, okay, tell me about them. And he goes, well, that wouldn't make sense because to them, every embryo is sacred, so this would be a tragedy. So I don't see why they would like steal the tank of embryos, and he keeps chatting. You know, tons of couples have been trying for years to get pregnant. One of these embryos, Like one of these batches is someone right before they started chemo.

And then the doctor says, unfrozen embryos lasts like six to seven days, but they were taken two days ago and they were filled two days prior, so you know, they only have like three days to find them.

Is the math that they did.

I don't fully understand it, and honestly, I don't care.

We're on a three day time clock. So each sample has its own little container in the big container, and a big tank can hold up to twenty thousand samples. You know, we love, we'd love to learn a lesson. In an episode, Stabler goes Wow a booming business. He is anti embryos, he is anti these tank, his anti everything.

Now I get where he's coming from.

And the doc is like, look, women are waiting to have kids later in life, and I'm here to help these you know people. And also the embryos that don't take are very you know, are even more valuable, priceless, I would say to researchers, because you can do research on them. And Benson's like, okay, and what about this key pad you punched to get in here? How did

Damn it, lady.

Come and they're like, why would you let a stranger into a restricted area And she's like, hold on, I don't want to make another mistake.

Let me just like finish my science.

So she implants something, she lowers her masks, and she's like, okay, I had to go run and tell the doctor something. And I think that's when this person slipped in and she only remembers the blonde hair. And now it's a nice walk and talk, a real slow stroll vibe, I would say. And the detectives are with Carol, the receptionists, and they're walking along a wall with all the baby photos that were made in the office, which I like.

I like when a doctor's office does that. And they're asking questions, so, you know, disgruntled employees. She says, no, but we do have people entangled in lawsuits. Okay, done, done, we got something. Let's go, Barbie, what does it come on, Barbie, Let's go party. So we're gonna we're gonna go check out all the lawsuits.

So we're at the apartment of Maya Jorgensen and she is pissed and she's like to you know, talking to Chester Lake, and she's like, they're holding my shit hostage. And now you know, they conveniently disappear, and he's leaning back on her kitchen counter like they're good friends and he's having a chill catch up with her, and it's like, this lady is clearly pissed, so stop being so relaxed, like Chester, get the fuck together.

And be professional.

And so they're holding her embryos hostage because of her sadistic ex husband Stan, and she needs a court order to get her embryos. The clinic will not implant them without them, so she's going to trial, and Finn and Chester are like, why do you want Stan's babies? And she's like, listen, I didn't always hate him. This is we were trying to get pregnant. It didn't work. We did in vitro and then he wants out of the marriage and Finn's like, okay, well, why do you want

I'm obsessed with her. I love her.

She has a bold lip, she has bangs top, some necklaces, and she blames Stan and so we go see this bozo and he's wearing a suit and tie like a full blown loser, And to me, I'm like, let her have the baby, Like who fucking cares he doesn't want to be a father. No one's asking you to be. I just I don't even get it. So they're like, well, it's a motive, and he's like, I was working all Monday night. And they're like, okay, well we didn't even ask you that yet, but where was your secretary?

He goes, Joni, what are you kidding me?

And he says, listen, even if I don't want a biological child or a financial mess with my greedy ex wife, I'm not a sociopath, he says, And what would I have against all these other people and all their embryos?

Like I wouldn't do that shit. And now I kind of like this finance bro, which is hard?

Would you say?

Stan is like the classic name of a shitty ex husband? Yeah, I just it's like, Stan is that name? Like one hundred percent. So we got to a fiery redhead shouting in the streets with a man and their anti fertility clinics they call them death camps, and this is you know, Christians and anti choice people love comparing the unborn to

And then yeah, what's the third?

I don't know yet, making posters, Yeah, going to hobby lobby, going to funerals of dead people that were maybe gay.

Yeah, so I hate them. And so they're talking about genocide and there's a small collection of cameras and Pressed taking it all in. Stabler and Benson interrupt the mess with their back and they want to have a word with these people. It's James and Victoria Gral with the VDL and it's played by Mark Moses and Janine Turner and they've He's been in another SVU season eighteen, The Newsroom, and he played George Thanos, and it's like the Fox

She's from Northern Exposure, which is a show that I never watched, but I always knew this woman and she was like pretty famous in like nineties television times, you know. And then he is from I believe he's from Desperate Housewives. That's how I know him. He's in tons of shit, but he always comes to me from Desperate Housewives in my mind.

Yeah, and they play a great they're great in this. They're funny. I would say they're funny. They're comical. They do a really good job in these parts. And the VDL if you were wondering, is the Values Defense League, they're Values Embryos. So Saber's like, listen, we just caught you on camera having a vandetta against this clinic and a crime that was just you know, they had a crime committed, So what's up is it you? And they're like, you must have missed the beginning. We believe life begins

Truly lol, yeah truly lol? Wait, but can I also say that.

When he first says, oh, you missed the beginning of our press conference, Stabler goes, yes, so did most of the press because there's like two cameras there. So I just loved that little dig on these people. They're like, we're having a press conference. It's like you called two people with cameras to come here.

Silliness. They're silly.

I mean, I just we both know through so many people that have had like IVF, it's like, not every embryo is viable. What are you're talking about adopting embryos. It's like, so this is like insane.

To emplant when there's just children everywhere, and you know that these people vote against the betterment of children that are living constantly. It's just like all silliness. So anyways, they're saying they don't want the embryos destroyed. It's not them. And so Benson and Stabler they do a walk and talk. Benson's like fuck them, and Stabler's like it's tough, and Benson's like, no, it's not. Benson sees a woman at her desk and asks if she needs her help, and duh,

So that's cool.

And she's a USA Network star. So she was on burn Notice.

Now burn Notice is it cops, spies, lawyers, agents?

I don't know.

I have no idea what what is notice? That was a sketch on SNL. Really yeah, because nobody fucking knows what burn notice is. Wait, that is so funny, SNL.

That's perfect?

What is That's why everyone is always thinks SNL is stealing their sketches.

That's so on the money, Like what is notice?

But this woman, Gabrielle Anmore was like hugely famous to me when I was growing up, Like she was in Wildhearts Can't Be Broken? Yes, oh my gosh. She so she was in If Looks Could Kill with Richard Greco. I mean you're too young, like you truly would have

So burn Notice is a spy recently disavowed by the US government uses his special ops training to help others in trouble. Yeah, and the little the little tag that they have is trouble in Paradise.

So maybe it's spies in Hawaii, yeah.

Because I guess it's a they are somewhere tropically. I think, oh Miami, Miami, where his mother lives. A burn Notice is when like you're like in the CIA or the FBI, or like you're in a secret post and like they find people find out who you are. I think I think it's like you've been burnt or like you it's kind of like getting made or whatever. And then I think your burn notice is like you're not in You're not in this organization anymore or something.

Okay, So back to this woman, she's here to talk to Live Benson doesn't get it.

She's like, wait, you're young and hot. What's going on here? That is like a really wild thing, don't you think? She's like, why don't you have kids? You're so beautiful, Like it's so weird. It is weird.

Well, I think it's because it was like the catalog sperm of it all too.

She was just like confused by.

Everything, right, like why did you have to get sperm? Like couldn't you have gotten knocked up by anyone? You're so gorgeous?

Yeah, and she was just like, oh I liked my career. Time got away.

Oh well.

I think it's also because we're trying the whole this whole episode is a torture live episode. This is yeah, instead of it being like oh, your dad's a rapist. This is like, well, you're hot and you're why aren't you having a right?

It's like a mirror.

It's like a mirror or to live like you're hot, why don't you have a kid? Yeah? Yeah, So she's like, I was a career woman. Time got away from me. She was in denial about her biological clock, and then she got cancer. And then now Benson is like, oh what if I have cancer?

You know?

So she's Benson remembers the doctor told her about this woman and this is her last chance. She leaves and Benson's like, we'll find them, and Stabler says that the doctor called and said there's another couple to check out because their case is controversial. So they head over to another household. They're sad parents with a sick child with brain damage where her brain is like a three month old, where her body is like an eight year old, and they don't know the cause of the brain damage. She'll

And it's like, yeah, I'm okay with that, Like, I don't know why you're not, Like the idea that your family line matters is crazy to me? Yeah, I I don't unless you're part of Jewish.

Are Jewish? Well yeah, well we want to keep the Jews alive.

But like monarchies, like who's gonna get all of our land? Like I mean, it's like it's such an old concept, you know even that I well, my thing. I mean, I can go on about this for days, but it's just what bothers me is the idea of like parenthood being selfless. But then every reason you hear about people procreating is the most twisted selfish thing I've ever heard.

What about our.

Family line, It's like you seem like a dud lady. Your decor in this house looks not good. You're you're both bland, You're both I don't know.

I think it's I think you and your husband cut your losses, don't spend a million dollars and go have fun, travel the world, get a boom, get a Mercedes.

I don't.

I'm just happy I was able to help keep the Logan family line alive, you know what I mean, we just needed to keep going so Stabler's like, okay, so do you think someone that's against you stole the tank? Can we go through your hate mail? And they're like, we don't really go through the hate mail. We don't actually scrap book our hate mail. We throw it away. They're like ahead of mental health before mental health became cool.

And then Benson is on my side and is like.

Do you think carrying the family name is worth putting Alicia through all of these treatments? And they're like, no, no, the original plan was not this. The period is a side effect of another treatment she's going through to stunt her growth. And they're like, wait, what you're saying is not making you sound better. Like they thought this was gonna get them off the back and they're like wait what And they're like, well, you know, she's only going to be more of a burden for us, so we're

I mean, they're stunting her growth on purpose, But listen, I'm gonna get into this with the true with the true story. So, oh, the true story is about yeah this mutant, yes, saying they're trying to create. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't use the word mutant, but yes, I wouldn't either to because this girl is just like sick and trying to like chill, and then her their parents are like, We're going to turn you into poly pocket and harvest your eggs and then I'm gonna give birth to your babies.

They're nuts.

These people are nuts, and your family line. So Stabler and Ben's centerpists.

They're like, you're so selfish, you're trying to keep her pocket size. And then they're like, her quality of life sucks, like she has bed sores. We can't keep flipping her over. So it's a real mess in this household.

They walk outside, Benson starts calling CPS to get her out of there. Stabler's like, you're not a parent. You don't understand wanting to keep your sick child pocket size. So they're having a little argument about calling child protective services or what's happening, And so Sailor's like, it's a nightmare.

It's a bad situation.

They are doing what they think is best for the child, and Benson goes, no, trapping her in a child's body forever is not cool, and then Sailor's like, parents have to make hard choices.

They're not seeing eye to eye.

In this episode, he does try to bond with her and say you would make a great mother. She says, oh my god, I am not having this conversation. And here in mind you're great with kids, and she goes, yeah, I know, and he revs up the engine and then he could tell she does not want to talk about this. So then he continues and says, you should start thinking about having kids.

You seem pretty old.

No, he doesn't say that, but he does say you should start having kids and that he will support her no matter what weird thing she does to have kids. And then she goes, shut up and drive hashtag Rihanna. So now we're at a public library.

This woman is a little person, and she's talking about how it's like humane to get rid of the defective embryos and that some of her embryos had this illness that is rampant through the little person community, and then they did keep the healthy ones, but then the doctor refused to implant the healthy ones, and they're trying to

I didn't realize that there weren't other like complications associated with that, so yeah, why the fuck not. So she's pissed and then they're like, well, why didn't did you steal the tank?

And she is fun, she's kind of a queen.

I really like all these angry women whose embryos have been stolen, and she's like, I think they would have noticed that the thief was four foot one, and so I really really love her. And so we're back in the squad room and Craigan asked for more scoop and munches, being a dick, and he drew embryos in a peatriot dish and goes, should I put an apb out for him? So, so we look at all the suspects we have, you know, the teenage mutant Ninja tnal parents, we have the fucking

Finn says, well, they don't look like freaks to me.

He goes, no, there are actually a fun looking bunch that may or that I may or may not have sired, and I don't. I do not like that term at all, and then he says, live, if you're on the market, you can do worse than donor ten twenty nine, and then Benson called Stabler an idiot and runs off, and Craigan asked the boys how the kids found each other?

And there's donor sibling.

Search and I actually know a guy who is a sperm donor, and a Facebook group of women found him and he is the father of a lot of children, like I think more than fifteen.

And how does he feel.

I don't know. I think he felt like kind of like it was weird, but he was like, actually, some of the kids were reaching out to him, and he was like, it's fine to have relationships with them. Like, I don't think he can provide for all of them. He's like a random guy who gave up stand up comedy. He has a very successful career doing something else. But like, I don't think he wants to be the father of twenty kids. But it was very crazy that they all bonded together and then found him.

I think it's weird.

Yeah, I think it's weird that you're just shirking off in a cup at nineteen for some cash and then all these people could be like I need you, yeah, get alive, you know.

I think it's like they all just want to know who their dad is. I don't know if they necessarily want like advice or like any kind of fathering. I don't know, but like I don't know, I feel like you would. I would just maybe for medical histories. Yeah.

I love the movie The Kids Are all Right though, Yeah, I really love it.

I love that movie. So munched Craigan chat. Finnett asks Stabler what's up with Live and he's like, the case is getting to her. Benson meets Eva at a diner and she's crying. She wants an update lives like I can't really give you inside scoop about the investigation. Benson orders a coffee at night, of course why not? She doesn't sleep. No.

Eva's like, you're not going to find them, are you? And Benson promises not to stop until she does, and she's like it'll be too late. She's like, fuck, I should have pushed the doctor to implant them right after chemo ended. Or She's like, I should have taken them a doctor who would She's four months cancer free and now infertile, and she thought she was getting a second shot at life and now this and Benson's like, girl, I got you, I got you, and Eva's like time's

Yes?

I do very much. What are you waiting for? And then we cut to the office. We don't really have you know, we can't sit at the diner old Yeah. So then Stabler wants to talk to Live and she's like just drop it, and Munch is like, hey, I got something, Finn.

I want to show you something. So he's like, I've been trying to figure out when the thief came in. Watch this. So he matched up the exits and entrances and Finn is like, so, did somebody come in and didn't come back out? He goes, no, everyone that day is accounted for, so he got in a different day. So basically they pulled the tapes from that night and

Oh my, not your sune dune. Benson's like, who was it, Carol? And she looks confused. They're like, oo, bitch, who who? And so it was her the whole time you told Enrique not to show up last Sunday.

They cough her.

She looks panicked, her eyes get wet immediately.

Where are they? Where are they? She's like, it was only supposed to be for publicity. They were supposed to bring them back today. Who She's like, you don't get it. They called me, they sent me literature every day, They talked to me every morning on the way in. They finally got to me. They have a point. It's James and Victoria from VDL. So the redhead was wearing a wig.

She was in. Benson says, nice values.

Huh So James and Vicki are doing an interview live on the news, and so it's a very splashy arrest live on the news a huge way. I'm sure this is what probably started you Tube. It was Charlie bit my finger and this arrest cuffing them, pulling them off. As the anchor sits their mid sentence, it's just like she's like, okay and clink clink, bitch have fun in jail.

And so they're an interrogation being annoying. They're separated.

He's blabbing about how many frozen embryos there are, just like no one fucking cares, and Stabler, with a quick jab says, well you reduced that number by a hundred. And he's like they haven't been harmed, and it's like, well, no time is running out.

They will be harmed.

And I know you don't believe in science, but it's very real here. So that's really funny because I didn't know Stabler believed in science. And Stabler's like, okay, but the ones you took aren't going to be implanted and you're destroying them, So like, what is the goal here?

About the embryos or would you rather the embryos not go to full term and not be with a gay person? You know what I mean?

Yeah, these people are just so fake. I just hate everybody. So whatever, they're just like they have no more patients. They're like, where are the embryos, Victoria, and she says James already sent them back, and Finn goes false, and their little clocks are ticking obsessed. I really like that, And so what's up? Where are they? So then a back to the man and he's comparing himself. This is

They love to do this too. Self aggrandization is the third hobby. I forgot, yeah, And Olivia is sickened by him, and he won't tell them where they are, and Stablor's like, if you believe what you're saying and murdering all of them, like I don't get what you're doing.

And he says they've already been returned. And Stabler goes, no, that's what I'm trying to tell you. If you can actually listen to anyone that is not yourself, they have not been returned. And whoever was supposed to do that didn't and he goes, no, I overnighted them yesterday.

Well they didn't fucking arrive.

And so now it's like a delivery psycho thing like where they were sent to Pittsburgh and then back to New York and they're on the trucks and the delivery trucks and they're being held on hold, and they were scanned on fifty seventh Street, and so it's like a mad dash through the city of New York, chasing the truck on his route.

Finn got the truck.

They bust inside the truck because the delivery driver is like in the middle of a delivery, and so Stabler and Benson join. They're rifling the truck. There's all these boxes. They cut the box open. They got the tank. They're running down the tank. The driver's like, what the fuck man? He was on the twenty fourth floor, and Finn's like, sorry, dude, there was an emergency.

We couldn't wait. Tires are squealing. They rush in. The doctor tries to get the fresh tank. It doesn't look good. There's nothing left, nothing is frozen.

It's done. They're all gone. They're all gone. So we're gonna go arrest those religious goons. So Olivia goes to break the news to her friend Eva, who's devastated. She's in so much pain. Olivia doesn't even know what to say, but sorry. So they're at arraignment. Eva's sitting in the stand. Eva, Eva, I keep changing it. I don't know what you want for me. It's a wild name. So you know, Eva's

Police, so she gets removed.

James agrees and he's like, you know what, we should be charged for murder, and Petrofski doesn't have time for this.

She's like, are you changing your plea or what.

Novak's like, nah, they're just grant standing for their own agenda. And he's like, no, if you were actually doing your job, you would seek justice for these lost souls. And then the redhead was like, it was just an accident, and the judges like, mister Hunter, control your clients. And he's blonde and he's like, listen, life doesn't begin till the baby draws breath. And then the religious guy's like at

Like good? Is she going to Chipriani's for lunch? She's gone, She's gotta go.

I've never seen Petrovski so ready to get the fuck out of court. She's usually invested, like it seems like she has tickets, She's going to a matin.

Maybe she has a poker game with all the female judges, like her lowesst Elizabeth Judge, Donald Judge, Elizabeth Donnelley.

They're all playing poker.

Yeah, she's gotta get out of there. Maybe canasta something, yeah.

Benson and Stabler come to chit chat with Novak and the lobby as the religious couple argue about the press they've just passed and the wife's over it and the husband is loving the notoriety. James approaches Sass the detectives for a favor. He's tried, but no one will give him the name of the parents, and Novak's like, it's none of your business.

No one wants to talk to you, nobody likes you.

Get lost, but he wants to go to any funeral services if anyone's having funeral services for the embryos that were lost in the tank. Stabler's like, nobody likes you and no one wants to talk to you, and Benson goes, actually, I disagree, and most of them are going to see you in civil court, bitch. And so the lawyer is pleading for him to shut up, but he can't stop.

He just can't.

He's gonna go talk to the press, against his attorney's advice. His wife, Victoria steps up and goes I'm out. No, I'm I'm not talking. He's like, okay, okay, but finally people are paying attention. She goes, no, after what we have done, I can't look those people in the eye. He kisses her and says, I get it, go home, I'll meet you there. She walks off, and Stabler's like, oh, trouble with the missus and the lawyer. Blondie's like, you should follow her lead, but he's too obsessed with himself.

She's running to the precinct to catch Olivia.

She and then Olivia's like, oh, thanks for coming in, and Eva's like it didn't seem like I had a choice, so Hi lives like, okay, it's just standard procedure, and she's like, really, you treat all of your victims like criminals. And she's like, you made a scene, an arrayment and left the courthouse minutes before the murder. Girl, so someone's got to talk to you, and I thought you'd prefer

And now Benson joins the rest of this. This woman's like.

Mad at Olivia for not being able to find the embryos that were stolen. Why are you mad at Olivia? I'm so confused We've got to talk to your ass. I guess for hauling her in, but she seems mad at her in a personal way. I think she's just going through a lot. Yeah that's true.

That's true. She did just lose out her opportunity to have children.

Ever. Yeah, yeah, you know, she's just she's only four months cancer free.

She's going through a lot.

So now Benson joins the rest of the squad by the desks, and I just feel bad for Live because again, it's just like she can't a friend, she can't come out. I was thinking the same thing, no friends for Live.

She's like, oh I met another, you know, hot woman with no good luck.

Maybe maybe a friend.

No, it has a bottle of cab like burning a hole in her coffee table at home, and she's like, I just want to drink this with a friend, and it willed the show will not let it happen. So now Benson joins her, fucking these losers that she has to work with day in and day out.

Craigan is shocked nobody saw the shooter. I mean it was a full press conference. How did no one see? And Stabler's like, I mean we were there, we didn't see it, but it wasn't a sniper. It was a small caliber handgun and it got fired from two ship inches away, so it was in the crowd of reporters and the shooting was recorded. It's on care but all we see his microphones and the gun was actually covered in a jacket, and so that's.

Why we can't see anything. And we see that it is a guy. It's definitely not Eva, so we can cross and leave the city. Yeah, she could take the tunnel to Jersey, so it must be somebody who lost to embryo, right, so do we recognize him?

It's got to be him, Like, what's going on? We run the pick by the clinic and the doc hasn't seen him. They think he's lying. He's like, I don't know.

Leave me alone.

This doc has been nothing but helpful, and they are just suspicious and think he's lying the whole time. And he again has been nothing but fourth right the whole time. Munch Infinn are looking at the TVs. He's watching Victoria skip away past the mob, refusing to speak to them. She then talks to the shooter. So they got on tape her talking to the shooter. It's no sound on, but they go talk.

To Victoria and she is really sad, you know, her husband's They bring up that she didn't want to stand by him by the press conference, and that rubs her the wrong way.

She's like, what's wrong with you?

Like he just died, relax, why aren't you out there looking for his assassin?

And they're like, well, we need your help. They show her the photos of her talking to the killer and her eyes open wide, and she's like, he stopped me on the street. He said, are you all right, ma'am? And he sounded sincere, and she said it was the

He says, that's great. She says they turned me down.

He goes what She's like, I'm single, I have no extended family, I work all the time.

I'm not prime.

Parent material, and he goes, they're wrong, and Benson says, well, you know, there is one person at the clinic we didn't show the shooter's picture too, Carol, the ex receptionist.

She knows every fucking Carol. Fucking Carol.

So they go to Rikers much is there to show the photo to Carol and she's like, oh, yeah, looks familiar. She's shook by the news of her friend's death, but she says that doesn't make any sense.

And then she's like, okay, so you know him, Like do you not know him? What's up?

She goes, it must it could be Kelly Ryland's husband. And she showed me a photo once and he's like, why wasn't he at the appointment if it was in vitro.

Carol says, no, it was just eggs.

She's a military girl, and it was like an insurance policy, you know. It was the military egg case that we talked about earlier. And Benson and Stabler are knock knock, knock at his apartment. They kick the door down, empty, spacious as hell. They find a loving photo of Scott and Kelly, Kelly's military photo. They keep searching the through the you know, their belongings. Stabler finds the gun. He doesn't have it on him, which is good.

They also find a notepad that says LaGuardia two forty five, no airline, just departure time. So they're checking the times everyone's going through. Munch is on the computer, clickity clacking. Scott Ryland's not on any flights though, fuck not departure. They do find what's going on. It's an arrival slow drumming. We're in a huge airport hangar. There's a hears all coming together. There's uniforms and flags. Scott is there.

There's a casket covered in a flag and that's being carried and we see Kevin Kane aka Bruno from the current SVU season and a record holder of SVU. He's been in like He's played five separate characters in his reign on SVBO, all with names, all with names, not like Policeman number one. They all have like full names.

I know him most as playing a constant asshole on inside. Yes, he's a bad boyfriend, a dicky husband, a dick at work, a dick friend, a dick cousin. There's a dick on insane Amy Schumer. It's him the dick And uh, what's the movie? I think you're pretty? You're pretty pretty pretty? Yeah.

Whatever.

So he starts talking to the detectives, who are being chill, not monsters. They're being they're not a flashy arresting him because they like it. It probably took a lot of restraint, He explains. She just wanted to serve her country and

He starts to cry.

You know, he was going to carry on her memory and care and somebody to know that she died a hero. And now he's fully bawling. Maloney takes a deep breath and he's thinking about letting him go, and Benson is sad. Stabler says, a jury will understand what you went through, but you're gonna have to serve some time, and.

He's like, I don't care. My time already ran out. And it's like, honey, you look young. You can get married again. Stabler gently grabs his arm and they walk off. Benson follows, and we see a salute happening and Dick wolf baby.

So that's that.

Yeah, No, not as many sad victims except for a dead religious man, but then that part ended up being so sad at the end. Anyway, Thank you for the recap, Liza, we will be r B after these brief messages with some true shit. Okay, So this episode is a little wild because.

Okay, I'll start with this.

The case in the episode of Little Alicia, the little girl who had severe brain damage and was being having her eggs harvested by her parents, is some part of that is based on something called the Ashley X controversy. It's also known as the Ashley treatment, which refers to these medical procedures that were performed on this child who is American from Seattle area named Ashley X is what

It's interesting to me because in the episode I was so inti the parent. In this real case, I'm so pro the parent that's why. That's what I thought you were going to say. So I was like, give it, let me talk about it later, because like, yeah, here, I'm anti freedom. I'm like, fuck this group, leave for those parents alone.

Yeah.

Well, these the writers of the show took this case and then made the parents more hateable because they were harvesting the eggs to continue their family line. That's the opposite of what this family's doing. They don't want her to have menstruation. They don't want they want her to just stop growing so that she's it's easier to take

But like that's a fact of that's a fact.

I mean, like if you don't have money and you don't have the means your child, if you pass on or something happens to you, your child with severe disabilities is just going to go into a state facility and could possibly suffer over being a larger size and not being as easy to take care of.

I think that's their argument here.

Plenty of other bioethicists supported the treatment, and they wrote opinion pieces for Scientific Americans, So you know a lot of people are claiming it was like eugenics mutilation, like Frankensteining a child, and obviously Olivia had like a similar reaction in the episode. And then after a year, Ashley's parents considered her treatment of success. She'd at that time she had reached a height of fifty three inches and was four foot which is four foot five and a

She's a lot more, she can live a life with them.

So the father had a quote in this Guardian article in response to people saying that she wasn't being treated with dignity, and he said, quote, Ashley does not have the concept of dignity, but she does have a very real experience with pain and discomfort. What is meaningful to her is to be as pain free and physically comfortable as possible. What is meaning full to her is to be able to enjoy those things she can enjoy, being with family, hearing music, cuddling, Ashley shows enjoyment for being

So that's the story.

And I, as far as I can tell online, she's still alive, and she'd be about twenty five twenty six at this point. And a lot of the like what the dad was reacting to, a lot of people from disability organizations were saying, and they're like, you're speaking from your like kind of level of disability, Like her level of disability is at like only one percent of the population, like or of disabled people even feel like have what she has as disabled, as she is not able to walk, talk,

Wade end quote.

It's like, nice promo for your movie, dude, Like, I think that's like a pro life like doc or something that he worked on. And he went on to say, quote it's sad that Sophia, a devout Catholic, would intentionally create babies just to kill them.

End quote.

So he's like a person from this episode, you know, who's like, these are my babies, and like it's interesting because I do find like I side with her. I'm like, yes, you can't like go away without her. But then there's another case where the details are different than I'm going to tell you about this guy, by the way, before I wrap up this, this guy, Nick Lobe, also tried to get custody of the embryos in Louisiana, which you think, uh oh, that could work, and he created a trust

Yeah, So that's that.

For me on that.

These vindictive dudes.

It's like they just I mean, I think that's the core of all patriarchy shit. It's like they can't control this one thing and it's like that's all they that's the all they want to do. Yeah, And it's totally I think that the last case, the Ruby case, is totally the inspiration for Stan. It's just like a vindictive X Like they're not asking for anything from you. Just let this person who had fucking cancer have a child. And she was like, I'll sign any document that you

Control. Yeah, don't marry people. It's like it's so fuck.

I know, super fucked. Oh maybe he'll change his mind. I mean, who knows. It's like, but it's really fucked up.

Ugh, it's just so scary.

It's fucking psychopaths, psychopaths everywhere. Yeah, okay, well our guest isn't a psychopath. Do you love that? What a seamless transition. Seamless? Well, you guys are gonna love this guest. Sit right where you are. Our guest today is an actor who has played a plethora of assholes. You may know invest from his work with Amy Schumer on Life and Beth and Inside Amy Schumer. He currently has a recurring role on

We think that you've played the most amount of different characters, we really do.

There's been a lot. There's been a lot.

Sometimes I forget about some of them, and some it reminds me of one.

I mean, you've shot someone on courtroom steps, you've held someone hostage, you've worn a big hat, you were a racist cop on the stand, and now you're a regular. I mean you've had like such a nice bingo of yeah cool, and now you're Bruno.

That's true. Yeah, I did two, Yeah I did. I actually did two of the old Law and Orders when I first moved to New York, so I did that as well. That's so. I sometimes it confused which one was which over the years.

But where else do you diehard? So how did Bruno come about? They're just obsessed with you.

I which is really funny because I auditioned. I you know, they would just ask me to do episodes. But there was one they asked me to come in on an audition for it because Marishka was directing it. And it was the one where I held the da hostage in a bar. But she was directing and it was like a long scene and a monolog and she just wanted to see people do it. So so I did that, and I feel like, you know, when this this Bruno role came around, she was like, you know, poking for it.

Because we we we we clicked and we had such a great time.

But I remember specifically during this audition explaining to her this particular episode you guys were talking about which one I was in before, and really confusing her with the premise like she was really.

She was like, oh, okay, sure, well yeah, because it's not the only sperm Bank embryo episode that's true.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's currently.

My favorite thing is to listen to her and Ice go well remember the one with the and I'm like, what.

That's so cool? Yeah, your Ice Tea's partner. It's like, is that mind boggling?

Yeah?

Yeah. He's got a podcast.

Have you guys listened to It's a huge fan Wait is it the Final Level podcast?

Because I thought he stopped doing it.

It's really short, like it's like a quote of the day and he gives you the story about you know, came.

From me, a new one. I used to listen to a new podcast.

He had another podcast called The Final Level that I loved, and he would interview really interesting people and I really liked that.

Yeah, it's the new one.

Is is like a little sampling of what it's like to do a scene room because he'll say something and I'll tell you the story where it came from, and I'm just in a rapture.

Can you share any ice cold facts?

I mean, he's got to know because there he's got one every day. He's got one every day, And and I think that he's just he's kind of like the always ever bright light in the room. Like he's always like in the best mood. He's always like not taking anything anyone seriously and just like just making it a great time. So he's the one everybody kind of gravitated when he starts to talk.

Yeah.

So, so Terry Bruno is like a series regular now or like, what's the story?

I don't know. We'll see, We'll see. I don't know.

It feels like it's headed that way.

I've done a couple that have an air and I'm going to go do one more in a.

Couple of weeks.

Yeah, cool, see what happens.

We always love it. I love this rich guy. It's like what the squad needed someone to throw money at.

I just love it. Trade watch for evidence.

My favorite part is that he's a rich guy but that always has cash on him.

He's always gotta stack a cash.

We talk about a lot on this podcast about how like the first like the Munch seasons were really funny because they had this comedian on there, and we were talking about how like you're adding a little bit of comedy back into it like these current seasons, because I feel like your character's got like a little bit of humor.

Right, Yeah, it's.

It's been fun.

It's been fun to David Graziano is like really, he's just like a really smart, funny guy and like, you know, he's got a lot, but he's like a Brooklyn guy, you know, so so I think it comes.

Out a little bit.

He uses kind of brunout of Fred, you know, a street guy that can like quote some Shakespeare every once in a while.

Yeah, love that looking at your you know, you play a lot of cops and then on Inside Amy Schumer you do play a lot of assholes.

And then a lot of assholes.

And then Life after Beth.

He's such a dick, Like what but you you seem so nice and like we talk to our friends who know you, and you just seem so great, Like what cops and dicks?

What is it?

Yeah? Do you think you have got face?

I I'm just irish. I think that's just like a punishment, you know.

Yeah.

But with Amy, like Amy and I've been Amy and I've been working together for like Jesus sixteen years, and we know each other really. We always say like we know where the bodies are buried with each other.

So she always, and I'm quoting her, she says, I always put myself out there as a piece of shit, but everyone thinks you're a nice guy. So whenever we have a chance to do something together, she's like determined to make everyone see the piece of shit.

That I am.

So so yeah, so this is it's intentional abuse.

I suffer all the time.

What makes you guys such good? Like artistic partners? For so long?

You know, we trained as actors together, and we started a theater company together, and we used to do these like comedy fundraisers because she was she was at that point of stand up where she didn't have she didn't

Yeah, totally okay, So okay, wait, so let's get back to some SVU And how's working with Marishka.

She's she's great, She's she's she's you know, I don't know when you get like a number one on a show, and especially a show that's been.

On that long.

Like she like she she gives so much of a ship for every scene, like she's in it. She's ready to fix things, change dial like whatever makes it better, and she's still enthused every day to make it the best it could be, which is really which is really nice to be around from coming from a show like making a show where you're like all that stresses on you all the time.

You know, you're like, okay, that's it's your job to figure out go for it, you know.

Right? Do you ever watch anything you're in?

I mean sometimes the stuff here we're editing, so I have, like I kind of force that gunpoint to watch it.

Most times I don't.

So, but what about these current like Bruno episodes. You watch in those?

Yeah, because they'll show me things or I have to go do a dr and I'm like yeah, yeah and all that stuff.

So so yeah, yeah, but I will watch the ones in between then I'm not in, just to kind of catch up with what's going on.

Right, See everybody else, I love watching their scenes.

Oh my god, Well do you remember where you guys shot that airport, like the big hangar that seemed like a big I feel.

Like it was like like a small airport up in Nayak is what it was.

Oh that makes sense.

And it was active and busy and loud and at the time was like a starving actor. Chris Maloney said, the most beautiful thing, and he says, this place is a fucking mess. You're gonna get another payday out of this in the booth, and I was like, I can think about.

It was like I'm gonna get more money, I'm gonna have work.

Another day on here, and I did I have to go re record so many lines like.

Oh my god, I'm Maloney. Any other Maloney memories.

Well, I remember it was when we were this is what I do remember the episode.

I remember that.

I remember that particular airport scene. That script was approved pre a writer strike that year. So the writers went on strike, and so we were shooting that.

Script and.

Like you had to verbatim, like you couldn't change a word, like that was the agreement, like you shoot shot exactly that script. So I remember being a tightrope of like you know, you get them about a contraction and things like that. It was like very, very very and there were lines like he just didn't want to say and so I remember him. I remember him just like kind of like making a weird face or something like that. So they wouldn't use that line, and I just kept watching.

I took it.

Well, we hear he's like a really intense actor and very focused in a ways stretching. Is he sillier when he's on a Snatched type set and doing comedy, it's still intense.

No.

I don't remember him as being intense on Snatch, so I think he was just having fun. It also wasn't his element, you know, and he was coming in and he got to come in and have a good time, and it was like it was it was crazy, was like Goldie Hawn was on set. It was like a whole thing. So sometimes I don't know, I witnessed him just have a great time.

Yeah, I see that.

Your character's name in that movie is hot guy, which is that's nice?

Yeah? Yeah, you got you.

Gotta like that when you get it all.

If you if you, if you watch it, thug still a piece of ship.

All right, well you can go down. And then you were full uniform? Oh were you on the courtroom steps and inconceivable?

Did you care that this is my is my.

This was another one where I'm like I'm gonna, like I'm gonna do my preparation. I'm gonna kill a man. I'm gonna do you know.

I was like really like really preps and really like I was in the mindset of just murdering a human being. I just it was gonna be so cool and traumatic. And when we get to the court, you know the steps, they had all these like kind of journalists and they were trying to hide me a little bit because they catch me on like a surveillance cameras something. I remember this like, but there's a rule like you can't even have a prop gun on the courthouse steps and you can't make a noise.

So here I am, and I was the.

Cue for all the like kind of reporters that duck and cover and run and scream and all that stuff. So I literally had to like go up to the steps really get myself there, like I'm gonna kill this man, and put my fingers out and scream the word bang to cue everybody. It was just like the most deflating and like it was.

It was a finger gun.

That's one finger gun, bang, and then that was it.

Wow, that's some inside Scoop.

I didn't know, Yeah I do, so remember like, you know, your daydream about it the day before.

What's it gonna be, Like how you're gonna look? How are you gonna shoot the guy?

And yeah, like practice your hold on the gun?

Yeah yeah, yeah, that's so good.

Oh my god.

Well I would like to move to nationwide man high where you're in a big when you have that big highway patrol hat, it's raining, there's wind, you're having to like talk to everyone.

Can you tell us about that? That seemed like exciting to shoot? Fun?

Yeah, cool hat? It was. It was just one of those times where they asked me to do this role.

And then I got up there and then I'm like they're putting the costume and I'm like, I was like, did Jonathan mess up?

Was this?

Was this supposed to be for somebody else?

Like?

I didn't like it? Just I just remember looking at myself in this hat. I'm like, is this is this me right now? Like I don't know. But it was fun. It was a fun.

Work with Peter, which is always a great great time.

He's too how that man didn't end up in comedies is is is beyond me? Because he just people just sit back and let him go on set.

And uh yeah, it was just running through like these neighborhoods near like Sing Sing Prison.

It was it was a great time.

I can't believe you were in Sing Sing And was it really raining or was that fake rain?

It was real?

So was that written in the sky?

Kind I've kind of.

Learned that, like on a s few It's been something that I've quietly kept to myself. But like you know, like on these other shows I'm doing, like it's like, here's the weather report. We're gonna be there, like, no, it's raining, You're gonna have this, and you just go. They don't. They don't stop for anything. No, it's raining in the scene now you know.

Oh so that was even planned?

I don't think so. No, I think it just kind of worked out that way.

Cool.

Yeah, we did this one with the this season with the ambulance driver, oh gode yes, and I just ended up looking so cool when those looking It was just and just because it just happened to be raining coming off the street and everything, and it was kind of cool, like it just that's the way it worked out.

That one really fucked Kara.

Yeah, that episode was fucked up, man, just like the cold open, like he didn't that the leg was up. It was very graphic for a cold open, like you just you just settled into the episode and it's like boom, like it was really.

I kept making Molly laugh making uh during that episode because I kept really trying to understand the timeline of this guy whose wife cheated on him.

So what he decided to.

Do, Yes, go to an auction outbid somebody for an ambulance and then go online buy the equipment by the uniform the correct patches, and then figure out how to stop traffic light.

Yeah, and then figure out how to jam traffic light.

Like that rage to get revenge for his wife was burning so long, yes and prop and.

Then at the end she's just like she doesn't love me anymore.

Like yeah, wild, it's like a wild episode.

I'm glad.

I'm glad.

I'm not the only one that was like, what's going on?

Okay, Well you've been with all the guys like Maloney, you met Danny Pino or maybe not?

And then Scanavino, do you have a favorite s.

An Svu hunk?

Yeah?

Who's your favorite?

I mean Ice, Ice Ice Ice, Yeah, Ice.

Yeah, and I think Peter would would vote that too.

We were like, we went to his star on the Walk of Fame ceremony a few weeks ago, Oh did you Yeah, and we Kara snuck us into the press area because the fan area sucked and I was like, we gotta get we gotta get closer, and she got us in and it was yeah.

We we had a glass.

Yeah.

And then yeah, Marishka was breathtaking.

I don't know how you like, are next to her all the time being directed. It was just kind of we both felt overwhelmed, but I guess you're working.

We were overwhelmed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's you know, I don't know.

She was glammed up too. She was really glamed up for the events.

And we were like whoa, you know yeah, because we were standing and she walked by and we like we both wanted to say something and we both just kind of like we just couldn't.

We waved quietly.

You know.

Her and I just clicked on this episode where she because I was like the guy that she had to really sit with and direct and all that stuff. So we we bonded years ago and stayed in touch, and you know, her and her husband do these amazing Christmas cards, Like they put a lot of effort into it, and I felt very privileged to get on the Christmas card list after that episode.

The Christmas cardless.

So I you know, I've been I've known her for a few years now.

But well when the instagram, that was a big moment when she wore the Bruno shirt. That instagram really rocked the sview fans.

I would say, I I had a you know, someone came up to the trailer and was like, hey, could you Mark wants to come by, And she's like, actually, could you go to her? You know, and I'm like, oh, she probably wants to change the scene. She's something bumping her like where you know, we're going to fix it. We'll figure it out.

We do all the time. And then I opened the door and she's she's got her jacket and she just spins around Bruno's shirt. She's like, we got to take a picture.

Well, the one that she directed you in is intent.

Well, at first you think you're going to be the classic like a piece of shit husband who's like we're not pressing charges, and then you're a really extra supportive husband. How was that monologue with the gun like being was that intent? You also had one line that kind of you're crying but you were so you say, but to me, she's a goddess. And was that like a funny line to have to say very seriously while crying with a gun.

It It probably bumped me because I have no recollection of that line. I probably would have remembered it if it if it stayed with me, But I do have this. If I turn my video off, is there a photo?

Oh?

Yeah, I see you holding a beer with a gun.

Yeah?

Oh my god.

I love it because my brother screen captured that. He goes, this is you every time someone says they're leaving when you're at a bar.

I love that. That was definitely me in my twenties too. I'd be like, you're not going anywhere?

Were we talking about it? Oh my god, that's so funny.

I wonder how much jail time he got. All of your characters are complicated.

These guys, it's very complicated. You know they're in cups, but you feel bad. It's it's a tough thing to do on that show.

So you have a five year old and then you just had another baby.

No, just a five year old.

Oh, just a five year old. Oh, I thought okay, I thought.

Well, I said baby because I thought it was a baby, and my bad, it's five year old. Yeah, this is amazing, and we know where to find you life life from a SVU.

Currently, that's amazing.

Currently, that's it. I I'm sleeping little.

I love it though. That's this is so great. I mean, I hope, we hope that Bruno's around for a while.

We like him.

Yeah, it's feat Yeah, just just my cat. It's like the props.

They they hand me your badge, your gun, and they had me on money clips.

With a.

Well that was thrilling.

We talked to somebody from a trailer for the first time. I think that's the first trailer interview we've done. We also talked to someone for the first time who's currently appearing on the show. Like, I mean, we've talked to Kelly Giddish and she's kind of in it out, but we haven't talked to somebody who's like a current possible future regular.

I feel like they're gonna and I keep saying this and I will never stop. He is also I think the record holder of playing five different characters on this Yeah, and and different hats, different full personalities. He's not just a loose bailiff, which is also cool, no knocking, But I'm just saying, like, full realized characters with lines like that has to be Dick Wolfe.

Universe loves him.

If you know somebody who's done six separate characters who matches him at five or beats him at six, please write us all.

We have a mole on the inside who definitely has a connection with Jonathan Strauss.

So she you.

Know, if anyone has she let us go Jonathan so or Julie Martin does the rest or?

She a producer.

I always forget the title cards.

Who's who? She's a producer, Julian producer.

But what's our post mortem on this fucking episode? That there's people are desperate to have children and they go to a lot of wild lengths to do it.

And then there's psychopath religious nuts that are on the sidelines that will not let other people do what they want. I don't like their opinions matter more than everyone. And it's like, you have these beliefs, yet you then murder based on your beliefs.

You deserve life in jail. Yeah, you did the wrong, Like you want to gain if you believe so deeply that life begins at embryos or whatever, and then you're gonna steal a fucking bad of embryos. Don't use FedEx to bring them back, like I don't know hand deliver. Let's get like they melted in because they got lost on a UPS truck.

Isn't that what it happened.

They didn't want accountability, they didn't want to get in trouble. They wanted to wash their hands clean of it. I mean, to not even do a courier service to fuck you're right, yeah, to do just fucking qps.

Hire one of your fanatic religious people to wear a like a hoodie and run in and drop off the I mean, it's like when you did overnight shipping like wild. It's so fucked up. It's really fucked up this episode.

And to like do all this the pain and science, So taking all these embryos, implanting them in someone, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. When you're against gays and lesbians adopting, when you're against non Christians adopting, when you're not helping children that are alive and well that need help, it's it's mental illness. This is not You're not a good Berth. It's just it's mind boggling. I don't understand.

Yeah, it's like a cognitive dissonance that we can never really wrap our heads around because it's just so insane. But in Vitro, like this episode's so wild because it's from season nine. But like now I just feel like in Vitro is so uncontroversial, Like it's just it's all the time. It's half the people I know that are conceiving that's what they're doing. And but I will say, fighting over embryos, there's all this like new like cultivating

Yeah, and the reasoning with that mom was strange about like the lineage and your name Doe, get over yourself. Why can't we all get over ourselves? I don't get that either. Right, It's like it's okay, your name means nothing. Like even peoples whose names mean.

So much are not remembered, right, Like even some of the greatest, some of the greatest zos authors, they're only known by people that are like very well versed in history.

I mean, really, it's like not. Yeah, it is wild the whole.

I want to continue my family name or my blood line, bloodline.

I'm against it all. It's it's really, it's really strange. You should only have a kid because you really want to raise a cool kid. I don't like, I don't know because you want to raise a child. You should only want a child because you want to raise one.

Yes, yes, that's it. Yeah, there should be nothing else.

Yeah, Not to give someone grandkids, not for someone to take care of you, Not because Jesus, Not because that's what you're supposed to do.

Not because it's a wife.

Duty, because you're in a bad marriage and you think it's going to fix things. Because I'll tell you something, you're picking the wrong band aid, bitch.

Not because you want to see the world again through someone's eyes.

Yeah, Not because curiously have the opportunities you never had.

Yeah, Not because I'm conditional love. Not none of no, none of those reasons. Like it's all because you want to raise a child.

It should be the only reason.

But yeah, I you know, I guess that's hard because I think No, I guess dogs want to eat. I'm like, because if you want unconditional love, you can get a puppy. Oh that's what I wanted to talk about. I knew there was one more thing. Have you heard of the show Jury Duty?

Yes?

I want to watch it. People won't stop talking about it. Casey put his hand over his heart to do the pledge of Allegiance.

To Jury Duty. So I did something sick.

I only watched four episodes, and then I went and watched just the last episode because I wanted to see how it ended, and then I'll watch the rest of it for fun.

I just needed to know. But where do I watch it? On Amazon? Yeah? It's on Amazon?

Okay? Yeah?

You I think you just have to watch like one commercial about Freeby or something.

I kept seeing clips and being like, is this real?

Like I love what whatever they're doing, how they're playing with it, like being kind of real is like funny and I.

So I guess, well, I read a bunch about it, and then everyone fell in love with.

The guy, so it' space.

What they were inspired by was a show from back in the day called Joe Schmo. Do you remember it where basically it's like everyone's a paid axe.

Everyone is in on it except one guy like Truman show. Yes exactly, but this one guy, Ronald.

It's like a test to him, and they keep pushing him, but he's an angel. Like they keep referring to him as like the hero because he's like the whole thing is these people are supposed to drive him mad, but like he ends up being like the sweetest, nicest.

Angel of a man.

And then on top of it, he's six six and he has a core game, so he's like just kind of this like sweet guy. And Kirk Fox, who's a comic, is in it, and so I messaged him, I'm like, bring Ronald to the comedy store, ha ha ha, and he goes, I've brought him.

He's too sweet. He goes, he's too sweet, but I have brought him. But none of you knew, like no one knew who he was yet. So I don't know if Kirk's gonna bring Ronald back or not, or we're just all too thirsty for Ronald. But the clip that everyone fell in love with, and I just needed to see the end. Casey was horrified. I'll watch the rest of the fun but like I just had to know how it ended.

But like I knew the bailiff too from Chicago Days, and there's another LA comic. Who's in it who I don't know, but a lot of people have been posting, but.

One of the sweetest things.

And James Marsden is wildly in it, playing jameson herself. Yeah, because it's jury duty, but like there's times where he could throw people under the bus and he doesn't.

He like they just and he found it.

This opportunity through Craigslist and out of thousands of people, they're like, he's the guy and he ended up just being this angel of a man.

Yeah, Mecky Leaper's on it and he's not my shot.

Tomorrow night, you gotta talk to him about Ronald textas right now to bring Ronald, and bring and bring the Corgi and so.

But people want him to be the new Bachelor, and I'm like, he's too sweet. We can't have him be the bab Is he hot? Yeah, yes, yes, he's very hot. Okay, but I mean if he was a dick, I don't know if he'd be as hot. But he's six six, so I think people like that too.

He's like, right, well, when you said that, I was assuming he was kind of hot, but.

You know, look him up, look up Ronald.

Yeah, he's cute.

N he's got that corky in a backpack and I love that. Yeah yeah, yeah.

But the scene that everyone's falling in love with him, so they created a character met No, it's another weirdo. But it's like this guy who wants to be an inventor and all his inventions like suck right like and they keep causing problems. And he's supposed to be like kind of a serial killer, like guy into body horror shit and inventions, and he's supposed to creep this Ronald guy out, but Ronald befriends him. Ronald's like not creeped out at all.

And then there's like this.

Is blown up on TikTok and this is why everyone fell in love with Ronald. Ronald shows him a bug's life to show him that like he's like the ant and he's just misunderstood and he's an inventor that wants to like help and like, oh my god, he can help everyone. So everyone's just like in love with Ronald. But my favorite scene is this one guy's like walking past them is like I'm just gonna jerk off real quick, and Ronald's like, well, you gotta do it. While there's time,

And then when like he would be like they would lie to him. They'd be like the COVID tests aren't back. That's when everyone would go and rehearse, like they would take them to restaurants, and all of that was fake, Like the restaurants were fake, the servers where everyone was an actor but him.

That's so fucking crazy.

It is so cool, But the fact that he's this angel is I guess I want to rewatch this Joe Schmos show too. Yeah, because you don't see nice people because it all hinged on this, like.

Dude, let's get Ben Schwartz and Ronald together.

Honestly, yeah, I think you guys would like I hopefully I didn't ruin too I mean everyone knows the concept. I don't think I've ruined it too much. I just made this episode even longer. So take it away, listen. That's our recommendation for the week. Let's move on to what would Sister Peg do?

Our weekly segment where we point you to an organization or blog post, podcast something that has to do with today's topic.

Lisa actually spotted this.

Group on Watch What Happens Live, and it's an organization called Chick Mission. And the mission of Chick Mission is to quote ensure every young woman newly diagnosed with cancer has the option to preserve fertility through direct financial support, educational programs, and advocacy efforts like forty out of the fifty states think that fertility preservation is an elective procedure. But if you want to have kids and you're diagnosed with cancer and you lose your ability to do that, it's not.

It's hardly elective.

So what reps from this organization do is they offer all this advice on advocacy and all these programs. So we did catch them as bartenders on Watch What Happens Live. They've stood behind the same hallowed bars we have, and if you guys want to check them out, that's the Chickmission dot org for more info and you can donate there as well.

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