Forgiving Rollins w/ Dreama Walker

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But by the time this episode comes out, all of our links better fucking be up at that's messed up live dot com, which is where all of our it's the link in our bio also, so it's like where all of our ticket think links will be. And so yeah, I mean that's all for business. Lisa, what's going on with you?

You flew into la.

Last night and went straight to a comedy show because you are a workhorse.

Well, I was supposed to land earlier in the day, but I scheduled all these virtual things while I was supposed to be on a flight, so I had to stay.

In Denver for longer. But I had a lovely day.

I ate at Sam's Diner, you know which, Oh yeah, famous. I walked around and then yo kick you know the basketball player in Denver?

Who everyone, I think that's how you say it. Whatever.

So I walked into a store to be like, oh, maybe there's like a little I can buy for my friend Frecks or you know, no whatever, I'm like, oh, I'll just see instead. I left with a Dennis Rodman jersey. And I don't know how expensive jerseys are, but oh my god, not cheap. But it's like healing my inner child. But I did see the Blackening. How was it? It was awesome. I can't stop thinking about it, and I want to see it again, Like I have to go again.

I really do this time because I really want to go. Yes, let's go see the Blackening. I loved it.

Also, I went to I went in Denver, and so don't I don't really go to the regals here. I do AMC's and surprise laydown seat. Nothing is better than that. You think you're gonna be in a normal I mean I did feel bad walking in because on this well, okay, I did get high as hell before the movie.

I was in Denver.

So the employee on the screen it's like all the seats and you're supposed to pick a seat, and I started touching the screen and he went, it's not touch screen, just tell me what seat you want.

It was so embarrassed.

I'm sure in Denver he's getting that a lot, Like I really am sure that you're not his first high person trying to poke your way to a new seat. But only one person was in the theater, and I was like, oh, he's gonna be so upset when I walk in, you know, like to think, yeah, fully alone and then no, it's me. Did you have any little scream moments? Where are you in front of the man?

I was stressed. I was stressed.

I was holding my head, I was shifting in my seat. I was like I had to check it to like I was scared. But also one of the actresses that I loved, she was just on Watch What Happens Live and she was in Swarm. She's in one episode of Swarm that I really liked. So this girl's having like a huge moment x x Mayo.

Do you know her?

No, Yeah, she's killing it And I just read a thing about her in Vanity Fair. But she's very fun I mean, everyone is so good. Dwayne Perkins is a fucking star. I can't believe he wrote that. It's so funny and good and like I and classic.

That's the thing.

It's like classic and follows a lot of horror rules while also being innovative and exciting and fun. Oh, I'm so excited to see it. Yeah, I have to go again. I have to. And it's star studded. Yeah, it's star studied. It's Remained Fowler, Yvonne Orgy like it's really it's really good. It's just like, it's so impressive to think, you know, it's it was like a five year journey, but to think someone wrote it, produced it, starring in shit, it's like incredible.

I don't really know Dwayne very much. I met him on we did a show together once a long time ago.

But he was so funny. So I'm excited.

Yeah, I'm more. I mean, I've been writing him messages. He hasn't responded to, but I'm sure he's busy. It's definitely a one bay obsession.

You and I also last weekend saw the same movie but not together, but all like on the same we saw the new Jennifer Lawrence movie.

We saw No harm Farlings.

It has in those names like something's gotta Give where you can't remember it.

I cannot remember the name of this movie ever. No, I just keep telling people I saw the Jennifer Lawrence movie. Yeah, she's a star. Like no, I have not remembered the title until this moment, Like it's really not a part of my brain. But again, funny, and all the previews for the summer look good. I mean obviously Barbie, but like joy Ride looks so good.

Wait, what's joy Ride?

It's in the movie with so Joyride is about like two little Asian girls meeting as children. One's adopted and one has like Asian parents and one has white parents, and they meet and they become best friends. Cut to the future, they go back to like a trip to the home country for the summer, like they're eighteen or twenty two or something like that, and.

It's like wild.

It's like just a wild adventure and the preview, I was cackling. Ashley park is the star, Sherry Cola is in it, a bunch of dudes.

It's it's like a comedy.

Oh okay, I don't know how else to describe it.

I love that.

And when you first said it, I think because the other movie joy Ride that has like lely Sobieski and Steve's on and it is so scary that I was like, is it a scary Like I thought it was a scary movie, and then now you're saying it's a I was like, they go back to they go back to the homeland, and then what happens, Like I thought they were gonna get.

Murdered, but oh, it's like funny.

It's like they end up the blonde girl from search parties there and they end up she's a drug. They end up like having to put like cocaine balloons in their assholes.

You know.

It's like, yeah, but they have to pretend to be K pop. Like it's like a cape follow four Asian American friends as they bond and discover the truth of what it means to know and love who you are while they travel through Asia in search of their birth mothers. Love that but it just looks like it's the year of movies and comedies. Because I also can't wait for Stray Stray's the Dog Movie.

The Dog Movie. Yeah, I was laughing out loud in the preview.

I just I feel like this summer has has come to play like this summerl.

Yeah, Will Ferrell was meant to voice a dog like It's it's looks.

So cute that movie. I'm funny.

Yeah, Now, Hard Feelings was great. It was funny. I laughed a bunch. I enjoyed myself. I wasn't stressed.

I think it's good everybody go see comedies. You guys like, if we don't see comedies, they're truly like going away.

They barely make anymore.

And now I feel like we're just blessed with this little pocket of comedies right now.

But it's just and I'm gonna see all of them.

I'm gonna sign up for stubs now because I've i haven't wanted to see this many movies in a while. But also I do have a statement, if you are at all care to see Oppenheimer before Barbie, you are the problem with America, and you are why Trump won and you are you? Yeah, you are not on the side of the revolution. There's like a whole like a bunch of memes and people are like, you got to see Oppenheimer first, and then you go see Barbie as the Palette cleanser, and I'm.

Like, what, even I don't have no desire to see it. I don't even care what it is to see Oppenheimer. Even though Killy and Murphy is very good looking but interesting he is. He's like, he's kind of like, you know what it is. I never thought he was like that great. And then I saw him in Peaky Blinders and he's kind of like this like strong, quiet boss type and he's just like hot to me.

Now, damn yeah, I just remember him on that.

I think the movie was called Red Eye with Rachel McAdams where he like takes her hostage on a plane.

Oh, I've never seen that. Oh my god.

I saw a T shirt at a store in Denver and it was the Adida's logo, but it said Addicted instead of Adidas, And oh and the Adidas was a pot leaf. I'm missing a lot of information.

You should have gotten that instead of the Rodman jersey. Well was it different already? Well, I walked in.

No.

I really it just felt like fate. I don't know, I've wanted the Rodman jersey.

So m and is like was on the bulls when you were young, Yeah, and he was my favorite so and then McDonald's used to have him on the cups and when you poured the his hair color would change on the cups if there was like a liquid in it.

I had all the best Rodmen March as a kid. I mean, that's part of the reason I hoard. And I'm so scared to get rid of stuff and have this like attachment to stuff because I do regret getting rid of some of my old Like I had old eighties Madonna t shirts like Blonde Ambition era. I had this amazing fucking Rodman T shirt that's a Chairman of the Boards and I, you know, but they're just gone.

They're just like at Goodwill somewhere. Yeah.

I just hope they're not in a landfill. I guess that's really Oh my god, I'm like, I'm such a stoner dude. I watched a documentary yesterday on Netflix about a different type of little submarine in Denmark.

Do you know about this this guy?

Oh my god, I know we're going along, but this is insane. So this guy, this Denmark scientist, he's, you know, one of these loser types. He's like, I'm gonna go to space and build rockets and submarines. He fucking a journalist went down under, yes, and he fucking killed killed her and he's.

Serving life in prison. So we're fine.

But wait, what did the story say happen? Like why did he do it? Because I know I read about this when it first happened and was like, oh my god, men are horrible, like women can't go anywhere, like they're just getting murdered. Like I remember the initial boom of this story. But then like what happened? Did he like try to have sex with her and she rejected him? Like what was like? What what made him kill her?

Sorry?

I I'm just looking. So it's called into the Deep Okay, a really bad name. It's not specific at all. It's we're already going too late.

I don't know.

Cut somebody else out casey Jesus Christ. And if you're listening and you don't care about the submarine, fast forward. But this I can't believe I forgot to tell you this. I watched the last so he the submarine thing. He was actually dating this curly haired girl who's talked about a lot, and she was supposed to go. And then this journalist, this cool journalist you know, has written for

Let's go.

So this journalist just met him, went down to the submarine.

He came out alive.

She was nowhere to be found, and he basically the first interview he said was she wasn't on board with me.

I dropped her off. I dropped her off on shore.

He kept lying, he's like a true and then it's one of those situations. It's like the We Work documentary where everyone's like he's magnetic.

It was hard not to follow him.

He's charming, incredible, and then you're watching the footage and you're like, this is a loser. This is a psychopath loser, there's no charm, he's long.

Of course he's a liar.

So then all of a sudden it was like, oh, she hit her head and I had to give her a burial at sea, and then was like, oh, I had to do this. And then obviously all the evidence was found. So her torso was found and there was thirty seven stabs in it and there was metal put around it. They also found the submarine and there was like he purposely there was puncture wounds that he purposely he wanted everything to sink. Then unfortunately had found in

These notebooks he love.

He like he watched torture, beheading and murder videos and he all these texts to his girlfriend became like shadier and shadier, and he like would joke about murdering her, but he would he was gonna do it to her. Just the journalists came through and just like and wanted to do a story, but he would have.

And so the girlfriends keeps crying.

I mean, it was really annoying because all of his friends kept crying about like fuck, it wasn't what about my friendship?

Do I not know? And I'm like, can we focus on the victim? Yeah? Can we please focus.

On how sad it is that this like young, amazing, cool girl who had no fear and wanted a report and like loved her job in life and had friends, was fucking tortured in a submarine.

Can you imagine? Can you fucking imagine?

Because you know there's nowhere to go and you're just down there. And also like, so this is kind of like the Queen of Versailles documentary where they come in to document one thing and then the documentary shifts into something else, because like the Queen of Versailles was just supposed to be, Oh, the biggest home in America is being built, and then it was oh, we're foreclosed on

Wow, but he straight up like tighter in this.

I mean, we won't know what happened, but he got off he wanted to dismember and behead somebody and torture them, and he did it in a submarine.

And like everything I was reading about this girl too, like when it first happened was like I honestly did not hear any of the details of this torture. Like I truly assumed it was like an in cell situation where he tried to like have sex with her and she rejected him or something.

But like he sexually assaulted her. Yeah, But like it was all about how like she was.

Like it was like it was all about like she was such a hustler, Like she didn't have a steady job, Like she had to go get these big stories because journalism is like dying and it's so hard to like get any kind of regular job, and so she was like working in all these publications like just trying to get the next big story, and so like of course she was like, oh great, and then she find it's like so fucking sad. That's horrible. Oh my gosh, it's horrible. That was my nighttime viewing.

But and but he's like so oh, and it's like he wasn't an engineer, Like he didn't actually build stuff. He had all these interns and people just that believed in the mission, and slowly the staff was realizing it. And then he's on camera just being like, this is

It's like arrogance all across the allusion drag delusion. Baby.

But then the girlfriends obviously lost her mind. She kept crying because it was gonna be her if the story and the journalist didn't come up. He was. They had text messages being like, oh, I can't wait to go into the sub tomorrow, like it would have been her.

Oh my god.

And then at first it's like all of his employees and everyone, well he didn't pay them, but all these people that were like, oh, I hope.

They find him.

And then when they found him, and then it's like he would never, he would never. And then suddenly the evidence and they were like fuck.

And he probably honestly just thought like, yeah, I'll just I'll just drop her to the bottom of the ocean, never find her, no body, no crime, Like there we go.

That's exactly what it was.

But it was like he put metal and chains on everything, like he wanted everything to sink. He purposely the submarine well on a good news. I think it's because we're all obsessed on my Explore pages a lot of stuff. So there was like a huge giant boat accident, eleven crew members all presumed dead, like an insane crash. So then a few people went to float to find the bodies of the survivors and not like of the bodies whatever, And so they're they're like swimming around the boat and

Damn all right, straight up?

Can you take a hand grabbed like and then everyone's like, it's God, It's God, It's God, and it's like, no.

Eleven people died.

This is not fucking God, like you, yeah, like shut up, but this dude the will to survive. And thank god the crew came in that day and he's just halfway in water, but one little pocket of air in this Oh my god, I think I would have given up. I don't think you'd find me in an air pocket. I'd be like, goodnight, I'm hearing my friend getting eaten by a shark. I'm out of here, Like I can't but.

Listen, Casey's already given us seventeen flags. We have to go. Let's get started. We've got a great guest, a great episode. Don't go anywhere, all right? We got a Rollins episode. We got a Rollins episode forgiving Rollins. Did you see I think we posted it.

But like Arianna in her Lifetime movie, everyone's comparing her to Rollins.

Yes, yes, they totally could play sisters.

It's perfect, I know, but I hope they do some like fun social media things together or like I would love to see Arianna and Kelly Gettish do something fun some little twins at birth.

But wouldn't it be funny if, like, while she's out on leave, but they kind of have her coming back to the show. Arianna just was playing her like until she goes back from her pregnancy. It's just like the role of Amanda Rollins we played in today's performance by Ariano Maddox.

I do have to say, Kelly getdish in this episode. The acting is top notch. I would say, yeah, top notch acting here. So see this is forgiving Rollins. I think I've said it three times. Take a shot, okay, Season sixteen, episode ten. Oh, I just said something on Instagram where instead of you know, for weddings, it's like table assignments, it's you know, people want to be creative. It was one it was a wall of shots and it said take a shot and find your table.

Ooh, that's cool, that's fun.

The numbers are on the shot glass, which I think is cute. I think we know too many addicts, so I don't know if we could get away with it, but.

It is a cute idea.

So this air January seventh, twenty fifteen, and it's a big ass So we started a big ass conference Vibe and a man is talking about a Brave New World on a stage and it's a long table and there's a lot of people on it, and then it's a bunch of long tables watching with laptops and everyone's listening and typing, and if you look close you can see it says Winter Conference. And there's two men in black like security guards, like blocking the door. So what's happening?

Right? Well?

I don't eat meat, so I guess I'd have to do the pie unless he could make me some kind of other sau vegetarian sauce or like a impossible burger.

Sauce or something. I don't know. I don't know if that might be bad.

No, No, I don't think he would even you have to eat his pie.

You gotta eat the pie, all right.

So he's been full uniform And basically the point of his speech is that geographical jurisdiction isn't stopping criminals like they used to so cop steps to work together and share information, and then he brings up Pattern seventeen rapists and that's an episode we covered Pattern seventeen and for that episode we had Josh Pisce on the show. It was like a really good episode about like backlogs of rape.

Kits and such.

So we see Rollins, Finn and Tomorrow are in the crowd, and now we see Benson's actually at the on the table at this on the stage, like Harry Hamlin's talking about like and thank you to the NYPD who helped solve this case for us, and like, oh, you know, whatever does so much for across the nation, and he starts talking about Rollins, but then he takes full credit for all of her work. And now it was his idea to test the DNA, but he actually made it

So Benson says, welcome to New York.

And then Reese is just like me, and she goes, oh, just like the song, and so you know, I like that we're the same, and she is fangirling Benson. She's gushing she knows her old cases. But then the violins start playing, Rollins looks pissed. Harry keeps calling her darling as well, and then they finally walk away and Rollin says, yep, Atlanta, they're so polite, and Amaro walks over to the three amigos and he drops the ball to the Atlanta people want to go to dinner, and Finn goes, I'm out

So it seems like everyone is hungover today at work.

And Tomorrow gets closer to Finn and goes, what's up with those guys, what's the deal? And he goes just talks to Rollins, I I ton't I'm done. So Rollins walks in with her sunglasses still on, and she's looking for Benson and uh oh, Finn answers a call and then he says to all of them bad news. Hotel rape last night and the victim is Reese, the young

Like, oh, I must have drank too much. My bad.

And she's like, you know, I went to get water and I fell. It's not a big deal. And Rollins pushes her, like what about the assault, and there's a long pause.

She says, I don't know what you mean. Clearly this is a lie.

Benson says, the nurse said that you disclosed, and she's like stuttering and denying it, and Rollin says Fenn needs her and runs off, and then Reese says she feels stupid even having come here, and Benson's like, girl, let's just start from the beginning.

What happened.

The music plays and she says, we had drinks, he escorted me to my door, used false pretense to enter.

They're so hysterical, the tears, the mescara, I needed just a dead body on the sidewalk, or.

It's not enough tears and they're lying, you know.

Benson gives him the scoop, Seaman bruises bite Mark's alcohol, you know, the big ones. Finn jumps in that they had adjoining rooms, so uh oh that makes it look even worse. Gallagher's like, fuck, did she invite him in? And Benson's like, no, she allowed him in, not invited. There is a big difference, and he's like, are you sure it wasn't just like a rough, drunk sex night. Again, why is it always a question like why is the base not always okay?

What happened? Let's investigate?

Yeah, why is it always trying to question the victim, who again gains nothing from this at all. Benson goes, or it was rape, you know, we're SVU and then it's like, wait, Rolin knows him.

Let's find out what she thinks.

So we cut tomorrow trying to bond with Rollin's as she ignores him and he's like, would your old boss do this? And is Blonde credible? She says she wasn't there for her disclosure, and then at that moment, Finn lets her know Dodds wants to see her, so she walks in there as Amaro pouts and like lingers in thought.

Then?

And she's standing there like a kid at the principal's office, likes really small and meek and obviously holding something back, and she's saying she has not heard anything or is privy to his personal life at all, and they're like, okay, listen, tell us what we want to know. Is he capable of something like this? She's like, you never know what people are capable of, and that is a very true statement, and then bangs are looking amazing. Her bangs are perfect

He is a fellow officer, and it's like, so.

Is she like I don't understand why we have to be careful with him and give him respect because he's a police officer, but that's not extended to the young woman officer.

Like it.

It just pisses me off. I know it's a scripted show, but I'm livid. And so he wants to hear from him and demands that, like, you know, he'd be the one to question him. So it's Hamlin versus Browse, suit on suit man to man, and He's like, damn the box, huh, and Gallagher's like, come on, you know optics man. So then the little dance begins. So Hamlin is very chill, he's confident and he's not proud of being a cheater.

But you know that girl and him were involved.

They had sex, and he admits it and he claims it was consensual, and he's just like we were just wasted. And then Eyebrows is like, well guess what, Bob, she said it wasn't consensual. And Hamlin's like, well, no, I get that. We're in an interrogation room. I'm not a fucking idiot. And Gallagher's like, listen, just give me the reason she would make this up about you, and Finn calls it the good old boy routine while spying, and Benson's like, yeah, he's really good at this, and Rollin goes, well,

Be intermixed.

Throughout the episode, a lot of nicknames get used to it. So Hamlin says she's really smart and a great detective, but he's she's getting back at him for not leaving his wife for her, and this is payback. And then he suggests that he should talk to her, and Browse is like, nice, try Buster, that's obviously against protocol, and he asks if this is a setup, and then it clicks like and then he gets mad and then looks at the mirror and goes, I think Amanda Rollins put

But I'm obsessed.

I mean, sometimes I feel like she's running downtown Manhattan. Maybe she moved or like she just likes that.

But yeah, because sometimes the views are of New Jersey. I feel like when she's running sometimes like she's on the West side, like Esplitade.

But I could be wrong.

Yeah, so maybe she runs after work or something. Yeah, I don't know, but I just was like she would fucking get a luxury building at this time. It wasn't that like popular, yet she probably got a deal.

I don't know. I'm just like obsessed.

But she clearly like doesn't want to talk about it, and Finn obviously wants her to talk. She says, she too, once was Patten's shiny blonde protege, smart and good, his type, and it wasn't like that at first, but then her sister got arrested and Patton calls her into the office and it was like super late and nobody was there, and he said that he could make it go away, and it was her sister, So she fucking did it. I mean, the amount of like problems that Kim Rollins has caused an Amanda's life.

Don't stop. They do not stop.

They go so far back, and she's just always had this little bitches back.

So Reese is telling the truth.

Finn asks, we gotta let Barba know but Rollins is really hesitant to do that, and Finn is like, he needs to know that he's capable of this and that he's a predator, and she's like, listen, I'm not going to say I was raped. Patton fights dirty and Finn is like, well, what about this girl, and Rollin says, well, she'll get over it, and it's like, okay, SVU, detective, and then she says the girl might be a slut and she can go back to Atlanta and pretend like

Did get roped into.

So Rollin's daddy, Dodds, Barba, and Benson are in a meeting. She says that she put herself in a bad position and that Patton took advantage of her, but it's on her. She will not say that she was raped, but she does say she like, off the record, off my personal experience, I believe Taymoor is telling the truth.

So Barbara breathes in.

Dodds is like, oh no, what do we do, and Benson's like, easy, arrest him? But Barba says that Taymoor won't testify or come forward, So Rollins is like, I'll go fucking talk to her. So she goes to visit Tamore, and Taymor is packing and there's a souvenir statue of Liberty in her suitcase loose and I just love that, Like she always.

Gonna want to remember this trip to New York.

Yeah, and you know, she's packing in a rush. So Rollins walks in and she's like, oh, the Chief tell you to come here to zip me up. I'm zipping up and I'm going home, so shut up. And Rollins is like, no, I'm here to convince you of the opposite. And Dream is like, oh, sure, you just want justice for little old me so everyone back home can know

Huh.

Rollins is like, yeah, he sucks. I turned him down, and she's like, you didn't think you were Chief Patten's first good girl, And then it all clicks and she's like, damn, so everything they said about you and why you left isn't true. And we get an impassioned like no from Rollins, and then we cut to the Atlanta men eating and drinking and probably a midtown like shipbox at like a tourist trap, like I just fucking see them walking into a restaurant off of forty second.

Street like so bad.

And so then Dodd's Finn and Tomorrow interrupts the dinner and they're like, you're under arrest for rape, bitch, and he gets up, he gives his gun to the captain, wipes his mouth with a napkin, throws it on the ground aggressively, and also he tells his friends, like, get me that big lawyer we met, Get me that lawyer. Rollins is walking Franny and you know, super cute. Everything's nice. She's in a little beanie ship. Sheeplined brown Sway jacket.

Get over it. And she says Patton's a liar.

But you know, obviously the boys stick together, and he blames all the blondes for being ambitious. So not only are the women's sluts, but they're ambitious, and no one loves an ambitious woman. He then keeps getting closer to her and is like, yeah, I know you didn't fuck me, so you can get to the big boss. I know exactly who you are, and you need to chill out. And he keeps walking closer to her, and so she needs him in his dick and he falls to the ground and he calls her a bitch, and she says,

Oh my god, that's cute.

Oh wait, David d'akovny is not in Christmas Vacation. That's somebody else who has like slick back care.

You're right, I was.

Thinking of David d'acovney. And don't tell mom the babysitter's dead.

Isn't that him? Oh?

And maybe it was in Beethoven? He plays the David Ducopany is in Beethoven?

Right?

Is he the the air freshener guy or no. We'll post the photo of the dogs as a side by side with Barbara and Rollins running and you will see they look identical David d'acovney.

David Dukovney is the guy I was thinking of from Don't Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead.

By the way, he is a that too. Yeah.

So basically the whole point of all of these asides is that they look athletic and they're running, and they look funny and evil. Okay, and we have to move on. But he's like, slow down, like he cannot keep up with rollins. And she's in a bad mood and he threatens a subpoena and she's like, I'm not fucking talking and he's like, no, if you're not my witness, and defense is gonna call you up and you're gonna be

So guess what. Guess who Hamblin hired. It's Buchanan.

And they're eating at an empty restaurant and not empty in the way of like oh it's shitty, but empty, and like, oh, they came here early because that like we're so important, like that they got open earlier, like while the staff is, you know, opening up.

Because I always think about.

When Anne Hathaway got that steak from Miranda Priestley, you know, like it was before the restaurant opened, and I think, just important people, you can get a steak whenever you want, Okay. So Buchanan's trying to make a deal with Barbara and Dodds, and Dodds is there's a courtesy for the NYPD, and you know, he's like, we're not going to treat your Atlanta asses nicely, and Buchanan's like, shut up. This is why you have lawyers. Let us work, like, we don't

Baby mer I write it down.

I'm putting it in my note, in my notes, in my notes article, what is it?

Notes?

App you guys, tell us if you would buy Ambitious and Tipsy, should it be koozies?

Is it a koozie? Ah?

So Buchanan makes it seem like Hamlin is the victim because his wife is mad at him, but Barba's like, I truly don't care about him or his wife. I'm not dismissing. And rape is a felony, so unless it's sexual abuse. Three, we're not talking. Hamlin threatens him like, okay, boy, we'll see when one of you city slickers is down in Atlanta and Hamlin calls Barba a Spanish dandy.

I mean, we're getting the idea that this man is not only a rapist, but he is racist as well.

Wow, so add that on there. Hey, what is a dandy?

Though? I love that. That's like a cute name too. I hope it's not a slur in itself.

A dandy is like, well, I feel like it's like a.

It's like a guy who's very like neat and put together and has style. It's like, I feel like what we used to call a metrosexual. It used to be called a dandy. But now you can't say metrosexual. You shouldn't say metrosexual either, that's like bad.

But it's like, you know.

A guy that's like into his looks and like his style.

Stylish man?

Really yeah, someone that cleans their butt, that's that's the whole thing. So it gets this all gets serious after the Spanish Spanish of dandy comment obviously yeah, and he says recent rollins wanted to fuck him and that's that. And Barba is sickened by this man, and Dods is pissed he wasted his time, and Buchanan's like, okay, come on, how about a selt three? No registry, no time, Like

Like, please take the deal.

I think it was Eleana Douglas is like please, and she's like no, no, they'll believe my son, and.

It's like gripping.

But she's also the mom of Lena Dunnaman Girls. Obviously, she's the mom from Freaks and Geeks. I fucking love her, and she's a Miranda's sister in the funeral episode of Sex and the City and she gives birth to an alien in the back of the car and men in Black.

So wow, we stand in a career. We love her.

I'm obsessed, and I guess we got to see if the other episode's based on a crime, and fucking get Becky and Baker here immediately because I do not want to live another day without knowing she's on our schedule.

So now we're back.

But shockingly, Buchanan has no questions for Benson chucked. Hamlin and Baker keep making eye contact, and she's standing by her man, and Rollin's is in the hallway with Finn, who's surprised she came. And Tomorrow's there too, and he fucking hates He's like, Hamlin keeps looking at his wife, this slicks and then Finn is like, straight up, it's like,

It hasn't happened to me in a long time.

I always feel like I try to keep it away from my credit cards too, Like I don't know, I just don't think it's just a while, No, I think, but I don't know what technology has changed or not, But I just don't find it an issue anymore. Let us to know if you've recently had an issue getting into a hotel after a touch to something, because I think technology has advanced. So basically, he's like, fuck, my card's not working. I don't want to go down to

You could just go in between hotel room doors like it's only murders in the building, like a fun little caper, like it's ano.

They're fully dead bolted from inside the room.

Yeah, so that's where my little detective brain went, so you know, we'll keep going. So then he went inside and he suggested room service and she's like, oh, actually, food sounds nice, but he ordered champagne and she didn't want to be rude, so she had one glass and then he kissed her. She pulled away and she's like, ew, you're married, and he said, don't you know by now? I don't take no for an answer. Then he pushed her down on the bed, bit her lip. She said, no,

And then we pull away and it's not court.

She's not on the sand, she's on the stand, but it's an empty courtroom. She's practicing with Barba, and she's annoyed. She even has to practice because she knows the judge isn't even gonna allow this. But she fidgets and she starts talking again, and Barba's like, listen, we have to do it just in case. So then he's listening to

I didn't do.

It to them, and Buchanan's like, oh shit, you idiot it because it's like you just named all these people, like I mean, Barbara is so good, so it's like you're fucking telling on yourself. He didn't he didn't say anything, so and then he continues to tell on himself and he goes, any of them, none of that, Like he keeps just being like, millions of women are lying.

It's just really silly.

But he goes, that's just what they say when they don't get what they want. And Buchanan, you can see, is like fuck fuck fuck, like I am fucked.

And the judge.

Suddenly strikes you know, this chunk from the record though, and I guess that question was not okay. So he's like, okay, fine, let's chat conference. Why didn't you bring your wife to New York? And he's like, New York in January yuck. But also, I have not seen the level of outerwear that you need when it's January and New York.

They especially if you're Rolins and that's your thing.

Yeah, I just felt like their coats were very November like, not January. But you know, he goes listen and it's all business anyways, and Barbara pushes, oh business really at one am drunk with a clearly drunk like Taymar He's like, I mean we were networking, and so he's like, but your key card didn't work and he starts to feel pain in his arm, and so maybe he's gonna fake a stroke. We don't really know, but he's like, you know, rubbing his arm and we're about to have an Elwood's moment.

Ruse, Why if.

You're having an affair and she's into it, why aren't you making it out in the hall? Like why would you have to lie about the key card? It's just

So this is amazing. Yeah, if you're having an affair.

The whole point of joining rooms is you enter in your own rooms secretly, so no one can tell that you're having an affair. So it's like he's just an idiot. He fucking planned a raper, he planned all of this. Barbara is getting him and I am just like what is hell? I'm like obsessed. So then Hamlin then goes, you son of a bitch, as he's like like coughing. The subtitle said hacking, so he is hacking, not just a chill you know, cough. So it's like a full

Just like, ah, what are you doing?

Smile and it's like she's crying, like it's just people are so sick. And so Buchanan is out there making money trying to say that Hamlin's health is like you know, it's not right and whatever, and I'm like, whatever, fuck this little bitch boy, But like, what are we going to do at the trial? And Barba's like, I'm sorry, anxiety is not health related, Like you can go back to trial, and Buchanan's like, how about we just plead

Yeah.

Wow, that's the episode, guys, A real good one. We get you another episode of Harry hi on another episode where the NYPD intimately interfaces with another state's police departments. So always like, let's seem up with Chicago Atlanta. All right, Well the true crime is a ride and well you're about to you're in for it, just hold on, Okay, So look, we go to a lot of different resources to fill out our spreadsheet on like what these crimes

Very more updated links to what people think the crime is. For this one, we had it listed as the Russell Williams crime. As I'm looking at it, it seems very tenuously connected, but it's not connected to any other Law and Order SVU episodes, and it is a wild fucking crime. So we're just covering it. I'm sorry if it's not if it doesn't match up exactly, but I think it's worth it. So this is a Canadian joint. This happens in Canada. Shout out to all our Canadian listeners. You

Like, it's so much more out of control.

So January twenty eighth of twenty ten, a twenty seven year old named Jessica Lloyd vanishes from her home in Belleville, Ontario, Canada. The police find tire tracks in the snow near her home, and the Ontario Provincial Police AKAOPP Yeah you know them, did a canvas of all the people using the highway near her home on the night of her disappearance. David Russell Williams, heretofore referenced as Russell Williams, I guess that's what he went by, was a colonel in the Royal

So about a.

Week later, February seventh, a week after she disappears, Ottawa Police call Williams and ask him to come in for questioning. They start questioning him at three pm and by seven forty five. This motherfucker is spilling his guts. Like truly took him four hours, less than five hours to just confess to everything, and all they had.

Were tire treads. Are those like fingerprints?

Like?

Is there only one Nissan Pathfinder in Ontario? It's like very confusing to me. I know the last couple crimes I've been like, go to trial, see what happens.

You're not gonna get caught.

But like I, this guy confesses everything based on these tire tracks. So he confesses to a ton of wild crimes, breaking and entering and sexual assault. He told police where they could find evidence hidden in his house, trophies from his crimes, as well as photographs taken of his victims and pictures of him posing in their underwear.

So he didn't have a canon as a lawyer. He just he did not have. Buchanists started chatting up a storm.

Yeah, do you think there's a Canadian Buchanan. I don't feel like Canadian people are so nice. Buchanan's so cut throat. I know a couple of cuns from Canada.

Don't worry.

Canadian cuns another piece of merch. Okay, this is just so wild.

So he told them what he did with Jessica's body, which they found the next morning. And basically what happened was the day before she died, Williams saw her on a treadmill through her home window. So he just saw her. She wasn't even out on the streets. She was in the privacy of her own home.

Wait, have you seen the movie?

It's like Julia Roberts and mel Gibson.

They've been in a couple together, is it.

It's the one where she's running on a treadmill in her home and he's watching her.

That's why I thought of it. Wait, what is it called that movie?

It's like secrets or it's like conspiracy or uh conspiracy theory. Yes, okay, I knew. I was like, it has the word conspiracy. Oh is that like a thriller?

Yeah, nineties thriller. Baby, that was a time to be alive. That was a time.

Well, Julia Roberts sleeping with the enemy. She had a couple of those scary ones and then she went. Then she was all rom golm. So he sees her on her fucking treadmill. The next day, she sends a text to a friend and that's the last anyone hears from her, because what happened was the next day he waited in

Death, like sick fucking fuck.

So he also confesses to another murder, which happened two or three months earlier in November, to he murdered Corporal Marie Franz Como, who was under his command at the CFB Trenton. So one victim he knew, another victim he just stalked and found. So this guy's emma was like all over the place. They had only met once and she had mentioned that she lived alone in that one conversation. So that November he broke into her house took photos

Oh, we just found zip ties. We were doing a photo shoot. I'm sure you've seen some of the Pictsuretti, but we wanted to like, oh, what could look like a crime. And then in the middle of this college campus we find zip ties, rope and tape.

And then nearby on a tree there was caution tape.

Wild Maybe it's one of those student films for MESV or something.

Yeah, Rosemary's Bridesmaid or whatever.

And I could not believe the pile of zipize zip ties. Is there any good use for a zip tie? It seems always fine?

No, No.

A lot of times like zip ties are like holding planks of wood together when you like get furniture or whatever, Like, if you get furniture delivered, it's like, oh, cut the zip tie, like but yeah, like I have a zip tie that holds my shelf to the walls so it doesn't fall on my children, but like, yeah, in general, I think of them as just like horrific basically plastic handcuffs. But he also had with him a flashlight, which, much like he does later with Jessica, he smacks her on

But he took photos of them.

One of the women had her baby in the house with her when the attack happened, which is like so horrific, but I mean also just generally horrific. He also is accused of executing eighty two fetish related home invasions and attempted break ins between September of seven and November of nine.

Like right before the murder.

So he just is like running into people's houses and like grabbing underwear, taking photos of himself in the underwear.

Blah blah blah. So I'll just say this.

He's remanded on February eighth, the day after he confesses all this stuff. The police immediately start opening unsolved cases in places where he had been stationed to see if they can connect anything else. Inside his home, police found a ton of stolen lingerie and underwear, all neatly stored, cataloged and hidden, but like it meticulously kept, like he like it was like a trophy box. So this guy is very unlike a lot of other serial killers that we've seen.

He had a successful career.

Along and what other people called apparently loving marriage, and his activities began with fetish home burglaries around six oh seven, when he was forty four years old. That's kind of late in the game to start being a criminal, But who knows, maybe they just don't know that shit he used to do. He might have been a flasher back

Quote.

When sex predators go out for a job, they're always on the hunt. They're looking for the opportunity. They spend a lot of time casing a place. And that's from Glen Woods, the director, former director of RCMP's Criminal Profiling Unit, which I think RCMP is like a Canadian FBI or something. Quinsy says that this guy might be ego dystnic, which is someone who finds his own impulses distressing and unacceptable.

I know, I'd never heard of that one. That's why I included it.

October eighteenth, he pleads guilty to all charges he pleaded.

He pleads guilty to like I.

Think almost ninety charges like the break ins and then the murders, and then.

Then to the two sexual assaults.

So on the first day of his trial and guilty plea, all these details emerged of other sexual assaults he had committed, including the one with the new mother that we that I talked about earlier, when the baby was asleep in the house. It was also revealed that he might have had petopheliac tendencies because he stole underwear of girls as young as nine years old.

This guy's all over the place. He had progressed.

The interesting thing about him was that he had progressed from break ins to sexual assaults with no penetration, to finally rape and murder, and he had kept detailed track of police reports of the crimes he was committing, logged his crimes, kept photos and videos, and had even left notes and messages for his victims, like after breaking into the bedroom of a twelve year old girl, he left a message on her computer that said meyer se like thank you in French.

So weird.

He took thousands of pictures of his crimes, kept them all on his computer, so he wanted to get caught.

It feels like it.

Well, you mentioned, like he's so disgusted by his own shit.

Right, Like did he just yeah?

Like maybe he wanted to just get put away, yeah, so that he could stop doing it. But the one of the attorneys for the prosecution presented a lot of photos of him dressed in the underwear and the bras that he stole. He frequently masturbated while lying in his victims' beds, like he was a mess. So he was sentenced by Justice Robert F. Scott on October twenty second, twenty ten, to two concurrent life terms of prison with no consideration

I had no idea. The lawsuit.

The seven million dollar lawsuit was finally settled in twenty sixteen, five years later, and it's for undisclosed, so I have no idea how much it was for. But Mary Elizabeth harrim and the wife had basically filed to have her assets separated from her husband's as soon as this all happened. And I feel like this woman was like, well, those are his assets too, and I'm like entitled to them as one of his victims. So she has never the

Like a bat right next to their bed.

What if he took the photos and videos and stole stuff for his wife?

Like what if she liked watching it? Eh?

God, because our whole thing is like maybe he wanted to get caught, Maybe he would watch it. Maybe he gets off on it. Why it keeps so much evidence. But it's like, what if his wife was making him do it, And maybe that's why he confessed so fast because she was putting him up to it.

JK.

I don't want to blame a woman, but I you know, the misery this little chunk has Broun a little.

Mystery to us.

All yeah, I mean the cops when they went into the room, the cops found a bag right beside their bed, and in it was a black skull cap and like all this sketchy shit. And then at the cottage that they owned, they found a devil bag filled with hundreds of pieces of lingerie.

It's like, how is she not finding any of this stuff? He kept a lot so damn. That's that.

I'm not sure if like somebody linked this to the article, because it's just about like a man in power, like who's a serial rapist? Like because this guy was so decorated.

Yeah, did you say that the settlements amount this It.

Was a seven million dollar lawsuit that they settled and I don't know how much it was for. It's undisclosed how much they settled for. But since why would they settle if she didn't do if she didn't know, like I well, the problem the Province of Ontario was involved as well. Oh yeah, so I think probably the majority of the money came from like the province, and then like the wife probably threw in.

Like what she had.

I know they had a I know that they had a two point four million dollar house in Ottawa that she said that was hers and they were trying to give like the less expensive house was like on his side, and people were on her about her real estate holdings and shit.

But I think she knew.

Yeah, just off, just off right now in my gut, Like I don't know. I find it's.

Like if Jared has one new thing in the house, I'm like, where'd this come from? Like I like I know where.

Like you know what I mean, Like you just kind of are like, what's in that Duffel bag? Oh, women's lingerie? Like it seems a little but it's free. I don't know if I would go so far as to say she was like, go kill people, because I'm turned on by it.

But maybe he was bringing her lingerie.

Because the only reason I'm jumping to this conclusion is because he confessed so quick. I mean like he just was like, yeah, I did it, whatever, get me out of here, Like I don't know, And with the stuff just being everywhere in so much of it, I don't know.

Yeah, And they probably would have found out about the other victim because they were actually acquaintances with each other. So once he confessed to the Jessica Lloyd, which is essentially a stranger murder. I'm sure they would have been like, oh, this guy worked with a woman who died, you know, two months ago, so I guess that's why he confess to that. But yeah, not even a not guilty by reason of a mental disease. I don't know if they

Canada, they have a whoopsie left charge oops a daisy.

So that's that. On that so horrific.

But we have a great guest for today, guys, so don't move a little muscle. Okay, guys, our guest today. You'll never believe how I booked her. Our kids were playing together at a playground and I recognized her from an SVU and was like, you gotta come to my podcast. So she is an actress, both on the dramatic and comedic side. You know her as the star of Don't Trust the Bee in Apartment twenty three, and she was the lead in the very disturbing film Compliance. But you

So good to have you here.

Famously, basically, I feel like my daughter Rosie got you booked on this podcast because your daughter came up to my daughter somewhere and we start they started coloring together, and then I mean, I booked you for this really on the playground. It's our first playground booking.

I mean, let's be honest. My daughter came up to your daughter at a bar.

It was this barcade, what was no, no, you know it.

It's the bar in our neighborhood that's like kid Central after school, you know, on Friday afternoons. And I like, she just I brought markers because otherwise they just try to like run out onto the street.

And her little cutie just walked up and was like, can I.

Draw with you guys? And I was like, of course you can. And then I kept seeing you at the playground and was like, you've been in a NSPU. You have to do my podcast. And then the dream came true. Here we are, here, we are.

It's all started with the bar, like all good things do.

And I guess we'll start with something else great.

I mean, this show is known for a lot but you know Marishka's hair and you came in really rivaling.

Your hair looked incredible this episode.

God bless, God bless you.

Yeah, bless, it was really popping.

You were ready for that pop, ready for that cop convention with a fresh blowout, and you were ready to do some networking.

You know.

It's so funny.

Every time I've ever done any law in order as for you or otherwise, they're always just so excited to like do beauty makeup, you know, because they're you know, they're trained professionals for hair and makeup. They can do anything, they can do special effects, whatever. But they're always just like, oh, we just get to make you look nice, that's so exciting.

Was working with Harry Hamlin exciting meeting him?

Or did that not affect you at all?

I guess this is the part where we realized that I'm a I'm an uncultured person.

But I was just like, Oh, you're Lisa Rena's Husband's.

That's for us.

That is.

Did he make you pasta sauce? Did he make any pies? You know?

I mean, I mean I was just like your Lisa Arena's husband. I don't know.

I feel like when someone's playing your rapist, you don't like, really let you get.

To know them too well, you know, you're not like, let's be friends.

That is true. That's a good point.

Law and Order original recipe. Is that like your first acting gig. According to IMDb, it's like your first television thing.

IMDb was correct. Yeah, that was my very first gig. I remember I bought a dog with her. With the money, I think it was like six hundred bucks and it was like the most I'd ever.

Made, and I was like, I can get a dog now, and I did. Yeah, so it was it was my first job.

What did you name your first dog?

Maggie?

Oh Maggie. Yeah.

And it's insane. You're not going to believe this. She's still alive.

Yeah, yeah, she's going to be seventeen in September.

Wow.

Amazing, Yeah, crazy, Oh my gosh. And well, so then you did Criminal Intent and O eight. I don't know if you bought another dog with that money, and then you did SVU in twenty fourteen.

So by the time they brought you in for.

This episode that we're talking about today forgiving Rollins, were you just like did they did you auditioned for it? Or do they know you by this point in the Law and Order in the Dick Wolf verse, the.

SVU thing was an offer, which was so generous.

But at the time I was, you know, working pretty regularly and you know, was at a point in micro roll I was like, well, how much are they paying? They pay really well, wow, And I know people like love the show and so I was like, oh, yeah, I'll happily do it.

So yeah, I flew to New York to do it.

And it's really funny, like, you know, not to not that I'm like have even a B lister by a struct of my imagination, but when people come up to me sometimes and they say SVU, I'm like, that's so interesting that in you know, like eighteen years of my body of work, Like that's the thing that some people know me by, and that's it.

But yeah, it was a cool It's a cool feather in my cap for sure.

Yeah, totally.

I mean, also, it plays constantly, so at any given moments, someone could see you on the street and have just seen your episode like the day before, so it's always refreshing people's minds. So, speaking of highdrama, in the scene

What was it like opposite.

Marushka the Number one the doing like that kind of scene, like do you remember anything from I told.

You on the playground that I have a good story for you and I have a good sy you.

Okay, So I'm in New York doing this show.

Obviously, just grateful to have a job, grateful to have an opportunity like this. But if I can be honest with you, at my core, I'm a comedic actress. I don't feel super comfortable doing crying scenes. I moved to New York when I was eighteen. I learned to suppress my emotions. It is how I have survived, and so when someone wants.

Me to cry, it's really hard for me.

Because I'm just like, I don't fucking cry anyway. So we're doing this scene with Marishka, and I had kind of made a character choice that like my character was going to be in so much shock from everything that happened that she wasn't going to have an emotional breakdown.

Which is I mean, definitely does.

Happen some people, Like I mean, honestly, I think if it were me, I would just be so in shock.

I wouldn't cry.

But also, especially because your character is a detective. Yeah she's worked in this like with the victims and stuff, and yeah.

She's a badass with a blowout, She's not gonna cry. So I'm doing this scene with Mariushka and we're on my coverage and Marishka is not directing the episode, but I mean, she's obviously like a force. And I can't remember what if she like stopped in the middle of a take or what.

But she was like, honey, she was like, you have such What did she say?

She's like, you have such a lightness about you and she's like it was a compliment, But I didn't feel like one of the moments she's like, she's like, you're so pretty that you just telling this story without breaking down is not compelling enough.

Wow, And I was like.

Okay, I'm getting acting advice from this. Legends from this like multi generational legend, and also like I can't tell her like, Hi, I can't cry.

So I was like, I, you know, it's not like you have like someone with you that you can go talk to and.

Like stuss it out. I was like, what the fuck am I gonna do? So I was like, all right, I gotta cry from Marishka. So I just thought of some really sad shit that had happened in my life, and I was able to summit the tears, thank god. But I was embarrassed. I mean like she was doing me a favor and I totally get where she was coming from and it was a place to respect. But it also was like, in knowing what I know about myself and my capabilities, I was like, you have gotten my achilles heel.

Here, like I am not. You know, this is not my forte.

I love it.

Though we've heard other actors tell us about her like getting tears out of them before, too, Like I feel like she that's so funny that she's like, you're too pretty.

Like if you were a little bit more.

Haggard and you know, maybe had like a facial deformity, we would be fine.

You're just too beautiful.

I mean it was very nice, and I'm not sure if she was just like serving me a shit sandwich. She was just like, hey, listen, you little blonde bitch. You can't really act like we need you to, so can can I just tell you you're pretty and you like get your shit together?

Thank you. I don't know, I'll never know, but yeah, it was. It happened.

It happened.

So much pressure, wow, so so much. And then it's like she's waiting for it.

Oh my god, I know, I know, And like I said, it's really difficult. Like for whatever reason, if we were to do like a theatrical production, I would be like really inspired by the audience. Like I don't know, it's it's just such a different thing on a set because you get to know everybody around you so well. Everybody's there, everybody just wants to go home, get the scene done.

And for you to feel that pressure of like cry, it's like, oh my god, you know, and I just can't. I can't.

And then I actually have another story for you. I mean, I haven't worked in a while. I've had like a lot of kids, but only two, but you know what I mean. But this is going to like be my nail in the coffin. So it was the shot in the winter, and as soon as I got to New York, I got really sick, like a really bad cold, and I felt like garbage. And of course, like you know, I was going to bed early, taking care of myself. But when you're really sick, there's not much you could do.

Jury and I could not keep my eyes open.

I was so tired, and like you know, obviously I have lines that they're supposed to react to, but I was standing on the witness stand just like not falling out of my nose, sore a throat, like hide double on cold medicine.

And I remember nodding.

Off and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna get fined, but I'm never gonna work again.

But I couldn't even that wasn't enough. I was like, but I have to notice sleep.

And I remember like at one point the ad was just like you know what you can, you can just go take a break. We're going to have your your stand in like read your lines for the jury to react to.

Which is like totally normal.

I mean, like if I were, you know, a really big star, that would be normal.

But I just felt bad that I couldn't stay away.

Falling asleep on the stand is cool.

Yeah, yeah, I was just like, I'm sure no one has ever been this chill in this position before, but here I was big like, yeah.

You I really could.

You couldn't tell you didn't sound stuffed up or anything like in the actual scene when you're in court, because I remember being like, like really impressed with your testimony because a lot of times, even when the person's like really like you were just like the most prepped witness that the show's ever seen, like always this is are like a little bit shaky, and you were just like this is what happened. Well, yep, there was drinking and this is what happened. Like you were just really to

Everyone was so nice.

God, I'm telling you, those those their hours are just insane. But they're just like a well oiled machine. Everybody knows

Hours and you're not going to complain, Like you guys are incredible.

Yeah, you mentioned the hours, So I loved Don't Trust the Being Apartment twenty.

Three, Me too, Me too. I was a watcher. It was so good. What were those hours?

Is it?

Like?

Is Law and Order even wilder? Because I feel like most shows are just such long hours. But something is different with SVO.

Something's different with SBU.

I mean any drama, obviously you have twice the material and then also like you have big scenes like courtrooms or dinner tables or you know that kind of stuff that just requires a lot of coverage. I used to make a joke it's probably still not funny, but I'll make it anyway. So like, like I remember when I first got started, a like, oh, you want to see what their elbow looks like during this scene? Like sometimes it just seems like there's so many setups that you're just like, what.

In the you can't we have got this?

You know?

But I'm lazy and that's why I haven't made a movie.

A movie.

But yeah, no, John Dressabe was like a dream job. It was like half days, you know, we'd be done by like three o'clock. And yeah, I mean I do think comedy like requires as you guys know, like requires a lot of energy that is hard for anyone and everyone to give.

But I'd much rather do that than cry all day. I'm not Elizabeth Moss, you know what I mean. It's not gonna happen for me.

Yeah, so okay, we're huge Sex and the City people. It is on your IMDb, but it doesn't say what episode. It only says two thousand and eight.

As it's the movie.

Ho oh my god. I was like, what the fuck? They usually have the information? Oh my god, that's incredible.

Who I wear a bow tie? I am like a waitress.

I have like two lines it's it was dumb, but obviously it was like huge when it happened. Michael Patrick King, which every time I say that name, I think I'm making it up, but I'm not. Michael Patrick King had all of us, everyone who had like a bit part in that, like had a very like lengthy extended audition like where we had to do like improv and like like I feel like there.

Was even like movement stuff in it.

And it was really fun because it was like me and like a bunch of my friends that were all actors or whatever. But I feel like he wanted to see like who you know, kind of like who was like serious about it or who was I don't know, And it was an honor at the time.

But now I'm just like, oh, I'm wearing a bow tie looking confused.

But now that I see the year, it all makes sense and I feel like a fool.

But yeah, that's so funny. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, because like sec in the City, the show was like when I was probably in high school or something, so that would have been really crazy. If it's like, oh this, we're gonna have this girl from Florida bean sext this safe.

Yeah, No, that would have been weird. We're in Florida, I'm from Tampa, whoa.

And usually the conversation is over after No, we had.

A fun show in Tampa. We did a show in Tampa where the tampav Oh, that's awesome. It's really good to know.

Well, I mean, obviously I like it because I'm from there, but yeah, it's like it's a super cute place, but people.

Love to make fun of it, especially Tina Thing. And then I actually grew up with Britney Snow.

We performed together in a performing group and she, oh, this is where it gets even crazier.

So like my older brother and sister, they did commercials and stuff when they were younger. They were like super cute, like worked all the time. I didn't. I'd like to think that it was because of my personality, but I think it may have been because of my looks too, I don't know.

Anyway, along comes adorable Brittany Snow and her mom is like, I'd like to get Brittany into that stuff.

And my mom was the first person to get Brittany Snow. Her agent Oh.

Ya, I mean it.

God love you for saying that, No, I'm not tan enough or you know, uh, I don't. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

I know, I know.

This is the uniform of Tampa both all of these things you're not.

I mean, I know, I'm just letting you guys down. But yeah, so my mom was the first one to get Britney snow her like Orlando Agent and yeah, you know, I mean, like Britney's so beautiful and was always like so cute and charismatic. And then before we knew it, she had like ascended to like having a TV show in high school and I would say she's wedding.

She's also in an amazing SVU episode as well.

Oh, I'm sure she is.

It's based on that. It's based on the it's like the Tom Cruise thing or something.

Right. Oh, like it's like a celebrity being again like against psychodelic, against psychotropic medication, and so she stops taking her medication and she does all this crazy stuff because she needs to be a medication.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it's with Norman Ritis. It's a star studded one.

Now, your IMDb, which lies all the time, did say that you were in a teen pop band called Schoolgirls where there's an apostrophe or an asterisk.

It's like stylized as like school girls, like what tell us the truth? I can tell you the look on your face that it's true.

Yeah, you don't know anything, very intuitive person.

No, you know, I really thought that i'd escaped the wrath of that coming back to life because I thought that that was kind of like pre Internet. But I guess nothing's pre internet anymore now that there's the Internet.

Yeah.

So I was in a pop group.

That was the thing that you did, you know, when you were like trying not to get pregnant in Tampa. So yeah, I was in a pop group, and to be honest, it's actually how I got where I got today. I ended up getting representation through that said pop group.

Yeah, it's crazy.

So okay, how was working with Kelly Giddish? We've had her on our podcast. She's lovely. Oh she was so cool, you guys. We had like big sister, little sister energy in that show too.

Yeah, she was so cool.

I remember she had like a This was kind of like her first, wasn't it. It was like her first really big thing.

It was a big episode for her because it was like really focused on her.

It might have been like no, No, I'm sorry. I'm not talking about my episode. I'm talking about like her getting Oh yeah, I'm gonna Yes, that's like a huge, amazing job.

But I felt like she just kind of had like the discipline and like all the like stuff that you needed to succeed. Remember she had a giant shreadmill in her dressing room at Chelsea Pierre's. And I was just like, dang, girl, Like for you to wake up at five in the morning and like say all your sad crazy lines all.

Day and then go run on a tread like, good for you. Yeah, I'm just gonna go eat a donut with toddler. Yeah that's that's how I'm parent anyway. But yeah, I thought she was awesome.

And I also feel like I've heard from other people that she's she's a good person and she's a great actress.

So yeah, yeah she was cool. When we talked to her dog known to bring her dog to set.

Probably, I'm wondering if I brought my dogs that trip. I think I brought my dogs that trip too, But.

Yeah, I feel like I feel like she did have she has a bigger dog.

Yeah. Her dog's name is Franny.

Yeah, you guys are so cute for knowing that that's rible.

Well, the dog is on the show as her dog too, so she walks her own dog on the show sometimes when she's like doing a sting and pretending to just walk a dog so that someone will attack her or whatever.

God, you know, just a day in the life of Amanda Rollins.

Oh man, do you have any other like you gave us so much, but any other little like memories from the set that you.

Want to throw in there, like or anything upcoming that you're excited about to tell the listeners.

Fuck all, No, Like I said, I had a bunch of kids, ipe you and I sneeze now, you know. Yeah, between like the pandemic and becoming a mom, my careers just kind of slowed.

My agent says it'll get better. We'll see. I don't know, to be honest, like.

I said, I really I just like making people laugh. I want to write, I want to I'm going to do comedy. That's kind of where my where my heart is at. So hopefully, you know, I can make that happen one day.

But Drake figures itself out, Yeah, and we can. It's so crazy do cool fun things.

I know, I know it's so bananas. But then the actors are going to go on strike too.

Yeah, good good, that's right. Well, this has been awesome. Thank you so much.

Love all the guys are so sweet.

She was lovely to talk to, love her. She still see her all the time around town. That's I worked on the podcast through my children. The first was Virginia, but this is the second one. But she's great and it sounds like she had a blast on the set. I mean, this episode was a toughie. I mean we got a lot of Rollin's emotion, a lot of emotional Rollins.

Absolutely.

I think this episode does a great job of showing like all the reasons why people don't come forward and how it causes more problems instead of less, and hopefully one day people will understand that to be like, well why didn't you why didn't you say any of that? You know, there's so many reasons and it's like professional, like, I mean, Rollins ran away, went all the way to New York and still they won't leave her ass alone, you know, like it's disgusting, and we learned that wives will just.

Like believe they're weird. Harry Hamblin Husbands, I don't know. Yeah, but also that like I thought it was like freaky.

Also like her boss is taking advantage and being a like criminal advantage. But then her coworker like that guy was like you never had any time for me. It's like he's just like he can't even Like these guys are all like loyal to each other and are just like, oh wow, you're giving it to the boss, but not to me. Like the guy that like tried to she had to kick him in the balls with Franny. Yeah,

They all get married. It's just like you can all be sluts.

I just don't get why you have to be married to someone while also trying to like sexually harass your coworkers. Honestly, as much as we talked about how dudes are like have kids and get married, we should start an anti campaign being like leave us alone. Yeah, then don't get married if you don't want to be with your wife. Yeah, no one is forcing marriage upon you, Like I don't understand it, Like I like, I understand if.

You were you did want to be with your wife. You've fallen out of love, get divorced? What's going on?

Yeah, Honestly, while I was yelling why are you doing this? I realized who else is going to do the laundry?

Exactly? Who's going to do your laundry? Who's gonna cook and clean for you? Raise your children?

B blah blah blah.

I think we could keep this little post mortem quick since we talked for forty five minutes about every c crime that I've ever read about this week.

Agree, let's move on. Let's move on to what would sister peg?

Do?

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