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not in the time machine anymore. I mean, we're always a little bit in a brief time machine because it's not like we'rever recording the day before we release episodes, but we will not have any more early release on Amazon and Wondery and all that stuff. So now we'll be recording pretty close to when the episode comes out, so you won't have to hire us talking about Halloween in December. So that's exciting. Yeah.

to set that up. Yeah, just changed our link tree because your website didn't really have anything, and so I changed your website so where it says Lisa's website, that will take you to all of Lisa's tour dates and you can go because that.

just can't do that anymore. So not that I want to, Jesus, I don't want to, but sometimes I just have to let them wild out in the walgreens, you know, get it out of their sister. And there's all kinds of different like techniques and shit, you know, but just.

what you want. Yeah, and you know that's the whole thing.

can't do it. Like, but there's they're also liars. Yeah, but there's like so many ways where like you can draw boundaries and even though you're saying like you like I'm not gonna be able to let you have this right now because you're throwing it and that's gonna hurt somebody, and I get that that sucks for you, you know what I mean. It's like all this ways of like I

am sort of punishing you. You don't get the toy you want, but I'm not like go to your room, or like yesterday I tried to tell Oscar he did something so crazy and I go, well, now you're not gonna have dessert, and Jared was like, remember that, that's so far away from what he did. Dessert is in an hour. He's not gonna remember what he did. And I was like, you're right, Like, and that's the shit

they teach us on all these Instagram accounts. I just forgot, like you know because in the moment, I'm like, well, you just threw something at my head, like I have to punch. I have to give you some kind of consequence. Anyway, this is a parenting blog, now, a parenting podcast, apparenting blog. Oh my god, well I'm not even a parent, you know.

the Catholics really hate to talk. Yeah, they really really they love to keep stuff inside.

to start Casey's waving the flag. So these sweatshirts are getting more and more specific. And we appreciate all of the gifts you guys have brought to us. I don't think you guys, realize how often I am making a friendship bracelet with my daughter that you guys brought for them, or feeding them snacks that you brought to like package snacks. I don't take baked goods, thank you though, like except we took one.

in the center, and it's super cute. It's very soft. I just got mine yesterday. I'll be posting a photo of myself in it very soon. Did you get yours, Lisa to come? Oh?

you'll get some birthday love. Don't you worry, don't you worry. Listen, you know, on the new Year.

do more like fun TikTok videos. If you think there's a trend, you think it'd be fun for us to do send it to us, but follow our TikTok. It's a little bit hard on TikTok to find shit, So ours is called not that's messed up there, because what's hilarious is if you put that in, you just get a lot of really fucked up videos. So we are an SVU podcast. That's our username on TikTok and SVU podcasts.

So just the second part of our podcast name. So go follow us and like I don't know, tell us what fucking little dances we should be doing, because we're down to do some cool TikTok shit. Yeah that's a good goal too.

Season eight, episode fourteen. This Little Baby came out in two thousand and seven, early two thousand and seven, just like this one is one of those ones that feels like a movie to me, you know, like lots of interesting sort of like Twisti's and stuff. So we open on a father and his young son walking down the city sidewalk. It's nighttime, and the dad is Carrie Elwist. We got to call it out right away. You know

him from tons of shit. I didn't even realize what an icon of my childhood he is until I went to his IMDb. Like he's had a huge career. Princess Bride, I would say, was his big breakout role. He's been in Hot Shots and Robinhood Men and Tits, like back, did you used to like those movies like naked gun type movies, like those parody movies, like they were always based on like hot Shots is based on top Gun and Robinhood Men in Tights is based on Robinhood Prince

of Thieves and like. But they were all just like these goofy Why they don't make movies like this anymore? I think these are the movies that led to like scary movie and stuff like that, but they just don't make them like this anymore. And I'm obsessed with these kind of movies. I thought they were the funniest things ever. When I was younger, I knew them better, like Spaceballs, I knew better than Star Wars, like I knew all these parody movies better than their originals. And he was

like a king of like these funny movies. And Princess Bride is a comedy as well, so that made sense.

I should have written down the episode. I didn't write down the episode cells and sure, wait he's British. Yeah, I didn't know he was British. Oh yeah, carry all was this British? Oh my god? Which is what's so funny because I think he's really putting on an accent in this like he's really trying to be a New Yorker in this episode. And it's quite funny.

you can do way better. Oh well, yeah, it's with Zebra messing like they're yes, they're married to each other and George jokingly is like, ah, you can do better than this guy, and it kind of fucks with their relationship and then at the end they try to fuck George over, but George never wants to be with Susan, so he's like thrilled to have a fork in it.

whose name is Tommy. If you haven't been, if you're new to the podcast, there's a conspiracy that too many characters are named Tommy, and there are many many, and one of our listeners is keeping track and has sent us a huge list.

in this family. I don't know if they're divorced or separated. We don't know the answer yet. So he's carrying the boy inside and he's explaining, you know, even though me and your mom aren't together, you know, we love you very much, right, And he's like, can you stay over tonight? And the dad's like, how about I tuck you in, tell you your favorite story, And then out of nowhere, while they're chatting, something glass smashes over the head of Carrie ELWSS. He falls to the ground, and when I

tell you, this gave me an actual jump scare. I was watching this in bed and I went, like I truly gasped, And even though I've seen the episode probably seven times and was expecting something to happen, the glass shattering on him really made me like scared last night when I was rewatching it. And then the little boy runs away, screaming, runs to his mom's bedroom, tries to wake her. All we see is him shaking like a lifeless arm because she's covered in a comforter. It's really horrible.

This is like so traumatic for this little boy. That's why I feel like it's like a movie, because the opening is really like trauma and like feels graphic. So the little boy runs the other way, shuts himself into another area of this very beautiful, spacious apartment, and locks the door, and we see Carrie Elvis on the ground, bleeding alive like he's moaning a little bit, and we see from his blurry point of view we can see a figure just standing in the hallway, but we can't

make it out. And then the kid presses some kind of panic button and we hear an alarm go off, so cut to Melinda telling Bangs, Benson and forehead Stabler that the dad's name is Sidney Truex and is still unconscious. Benson is rocking, Bangs, Stabler's forehead is popping, and Live is like Sidney Truex, the mob attorney, because you know, like everybody knows everybody in this show, you mean him

of the ball bearing fortune. So they follow Melinda into the bedroom where they have a very graphic body reveal of Tommy's mom. They're like she was raped, sodomized, and bludgeon and then they like take the comforter off and you're just like, yeah, I can see where all those injuries happened. There's just like blood everywhere. She's like lying

there like eyes open, very just dead. And Melinda goes and makes it worse and says, not only is this a horror, horrific scene, but this woman slowly bled to death, so don't worry. It didn't happen quickly. So no DNA was found on her because the object used to sexually assault her was a candlestick, which they hold up and show that it's really really graphic. As Stabler Stabler goes sounds like this guy has anger issues and it's like takes one to no one. And there's a partial bloody

print from a tennis shoe on the carpet. That's like pretty much one of the only pieces of evidence they found. Another person that lives in the home is Charlotte, the sixteen year old daughter, but she is not home at the moment, and Daddy Stabler's like at one am, and the brother said she was spending the weekend at a friend's house. So Tommy is pretty traumatized, they say, and duh, but they held off talking on him until SVU got there, so they go talk to him. He's super cute, this kid.

He's just like staring off into space, looking so like upset, and no child is like a bowl cut. Yeah yeah, yeah, but of course no child can resist Olivia Bens's patented tell me what you saw speech. He said, a monster hurt my daddy, and then we cut to the credits. So now at the top of act one, we're at the priestinct. Craigan shows up in black tie. Benson immediately

rips on and what no top hat? And it turns out he was at a city councilman daughter's wedding and Daddy Craigan got pulled out of the after party for updates on this case, and I'm like, Craigan, you're out at a wedding after party at two am. What's going on? So they're talking about motive. Plenty of mob people could want to get back at Sydney. Could be someone that came for him and didn't know that they were separated, so they were actually looking for Sydney. Does anyone have

a grudge against the mom? And they're like, she's a pharmaceutical sales rep. Doesn't seem like there'd be a ton of enemies there. Hard to run a background check on the family at this hour, and the daughter is still unaccounted for. Finn figures out the friend that Charlotte might be staying with, so at the apartment of said friend, the girl is like, no, she left before I woke up. I don't know where she went. And the mom shows up and blows up her whole story and it's like, uh,

stop lying to the police. Charlotte wasn't here and she is no longer allowed in our home. And they're like what's up? And the mom's like she used to be nice, but she started lying and skipping school. She's probably on drugs. And the daughter's like, mom, shut up, and the mother is like, she doesn't even like your ass. She just uses you as a cover story. And then as they're leaving,

the daughter's like, listen, Charlotte's not a bad person. It's her mom, because clearly they both hate their moms for, like, you know, being moms. This girl reveals that Charlotte has a boyfriend named Ryan Beckford, but that Charlotte's mom hates him won't let her date him, and that's why she has to lie. And where does he live? And she immediately knows. I wonder if this is true in New York, that all the kids just know the names of the buildings where other kids in their class live. He lives

at the Packard on First Avenue. So they show up to this apartment. Ryan answers the door shirtless. He looks familiar this actor, so I look him up and he was on Guiding Light for like one hundred episodes, but he doesn't act that much anymore. And now he's a professional organizer. He says, he's a personal organizer to the stars with a business called the OCD experience, which I'm sure people with actual OCD don't appreciate, but I thought that was an interesting little fun fact about this guy.

He wants to know like a million trouble and he's like, Charlotte's sixteen and I'm nineteen, so there's nothing illegal. And they're like, where are your parents? And he's like in Saint Bart's and his apartment. Of course the parents are in St. Bart's. This apartment has like insane views, like gorgeous views, which if he's on First Avenue, I'm assuming this is just views of Queens and Brooklyn. And he

calls to Charlotte. He's like, babe, come down here. She comes down a spiral staircase in a New York apartment, just to continue to add how nice it is. And she's like, ay, let me guess my dumb parents sent you. And they tell her there's been an accident and she's like, yeah, right, it's a trick. My parents are psychos who fake accidents to get me to stop dating my boyfriend. And this

actor is Emily van Camp. She is a Canadian actress who I discovered on the show Brothers and Sisters, which was like an ensemble drama where she actually plays the secret daughter of Tom Scarrett, who we've had on the podcast. And I think a lot of people also know her for starring in Revenge, which as a show I've never seen one minute of, but I know people were really

obsessed with it. That to me seemed like a show that was like Scandal pre Scandal, like a good soapy nighttime show about like family dynamics and crazy, you know, probably crimes happening and stuff like that. What's wild about her? She's okay.

in like I don't know. I don't think Brothers and Sisters plays in residuals, but like the Resident might or Revenge might like play in other countries or play on cable. Who knows. So that this is Emily van camp I again, I know her as a Brother's and Sister's Gal, which was famously a show I stuck with for a long time and eventually had to give up, even though I'm

very loyal to shows. The detectives are like, throw a bra on and come with us, and she's like no, And then Stabler cuts to the chase and is like your dad's in the hospital and your mom's dead, and it's really wild. He just like is like, all right, this little brat's not gonna come with us. I'm just going to tell her what's up, and I'm okay with that. Like she's being annoying. Yeah, the balls on all these kids yeah. She looks like shook, shocked, but not like upset,

Like she's not immediately crying. She's just like And the boyfriend's like, oh, babe, let me come with you. You shouldn't be alone. She goes, no, stay here, I gotta go be with my brother. So now at the precinct, Charlotte busts in like Tommy, I'm here, and he bolts screaming, get away for me, get away for me. So she's like,

what's wrong with him? And Huang is like, oh, he's just traumatized, and she says that they have an aunt in Riverdale they could stay with, and when asked about enemies, she's like, come on, half the city hates my dad's guts because of all these cases he does. He's like a mob like he defends mob people. So we find out that he hired a PI recently Sydney because their

home had been graffiti. They'd had their trash gone through and like spread out all over the place, bags of shit on fire in front of their home, swasaka's on the front of their house, and then the family cat was missing and showed up in pieces on their doorstep, and they show like a bunch of boxes like they shipped, like they mailed the cat or something or left it on boxes on their doorsteps. Sorry, I know we have a lot of cat listeners the trigger warning a cat

we never see has been killed by the mob. So now we're talking to a mob specialist, I guess, and he's like, oh, yeah, my top guest would be Luccio Ricci. He's a sicko. His dad was Sydney's client, but Sydney lost a big racketeering case for the dad and then the FEDS took everything they had and Luccio blamed Sydney for everything. So like, take a look at this hate mail that we have from him, and it's like this whole letter that's like I'm going to kill your family,

I hate you, blah blah blah. And the handwriting is a match because this this mob specialist detective or whatever has done a handwriting analysis. So they're like, well, why haven't you gone after him if he's doing all this stuff, And they're like, Sidney wouldn't let us. He felt bad that he didn't get the dad off, that the dad got convicted, and so he's like, yeah, let Luccio have his little temper tantrum. But you know, they're like, where

can we find him? He hangs out at San Marco Hall in Little Italy, which is funny because I don't really know if the mob actually hangs out in Little Italy that much anymore. But they go into this place and it's very sopranos Isi there. Okay, it's very like I'm very much getting like a Sopranos vibe. Luccio like, oh, that scumbag lawyer. I never touched a hair on his head. I was just playing like he admits to doing all these like sort of pranky things. Unfortunately the cat was

a victim. But he's like, if someone says I heard him, I'm being framed. I never did anything to him or his family. You just ask him and they're like, well we will, because they had just gotten a phone call and he's awake. So at the hospital, Sydney has a Liza Fave and all the way around the head bandage on, and they're telling him don't worry, Tommy wasn't hurt, and they're like, well, what's but they're asking him like what's

up with all these threats? And he goes, oh, you mean, Luccio, he's like, yeah, I know about those, but when I moved out of the apartment, the threat stopped. He goes, you think he killed my wife? And he says, I don't remember anything. The doctors are saying I might have temporary memory loss. He remembers walking Tommy up and then feeling a terrible pain and he must have blacked out, and when he opens his eyes, he says, I saw

and then he hesitates. There's like a long pause. Music is swelling, and then he says he saw his running down the hallway. It was Charlotte, she killed her mother. But he goes mother, he's trying really hard to do a New York accident. It's very funny. It was Charlotte, she killed a mother. That's the end of act one.

Done Done. So now they're talking to Charlotte at the precinct and she's like, I told you I wasn't home that night, and they're like, yeah, but your father saw you and she's like he's a lawyer, he lies for a living. And then they're like, well, what's your relationship like with him? And she's like, well, it's fine. We get along fine because he's never home and he's not around. And then they're like, what about your mom, And she's like, well, her idea of parenting was locking me up so she

didn't have to deal with me. I had to lie because she hated my boyfriend for no reason and would't let us be together. So she says, we went out that night to a friend's place. I got pretty wasted. Then we left and went back to Ryan's place and

I was there until you guys woke us up. And she's like, we need names from the party, and she's like, I'm not dragging my friends into this a whole my mom brutally got murdered thing, you know, like that's not for them, and then lives like, you better make a list, bitch,

before we question every kid in the school. And so we cut to a series of interviews that are true comedy, Like they're all these teens and they're like all with creepy smiles plastered on their faces, just lying like no, actually, officer, I was babysitting all night. Like cut to a kid being like I was writing a paper, and like they were all just saying whatever bullshit they were doing on

Friday night. And then this other girl they talked to goes I was at a movie with another girl and they're like, well, that girl said she was babysitting and she goes, oh, I was watching a movie with her at the babysitting job. And they're like, bitch, it's over, like stop, and she's like, fuck, I knew we were gonna get caught. We had a party and like she sings like a canary, She's like there was a party,

you know whatever. And then now we're with all the psycho kids that were all lying, and they're all on the steps like thanks for ratting us out sues. And then they're like, we want to know what Charlotte did that night, and one kid says, oh, baby blues valum and one kid's like they just meant, like what she did, They didn't mean like what drugs. Stop giving out too much information to the cops. So now they've moved all of these four kids to a classroom and one kid admits, yeah,

the valume was my mom's. It was a farm party, not farm with an f farm with a pH. Everybody puts random pills in a bowl and you take what you want. I have never heard of that, but I do know my brother used to take my mom's pharmaceuticals and just bring them to parties and they would just see what happens. But I don't think it was grab bag, like let's just like see what we pop in. That feels like reckless, even for teens to like just not

even know what you're putting in. And then a kid in a backwards newsboy cap was like, yeah, I took adderall it keeps you up. And I can guarantee he was the most annoying person to talk to at that party for sure. And they all say what they took, like I was doing this, I was taking that, blah blah blah. And then they're like, what were Charlotte and Ryan doing? And they were like, oh, they were skittling. That's over the counter cold tablets. They look like candy.

You take a bunch of those and you're flying, I think, especially also if you drink with it. And then they said Ryan also took oxy. Charlotte said she was going to go home, but who knows where she was going. She could barely stand, and Stabler's like, you guys are lucky you didn't die, and the redheaded girl goes, it's medicine from a doctor. It's not like we're taking crack

or heroin. And I do kind of love that this show is tackling this because I think that the oxy coton thing like got more big in the twenty tens. This episode is from like oh seven, you know, like people just like I don't know that people knew that we were in such a pharmaceutical epidemic at that time yet, and the show I'm like opposite.

from a doctor, it can't hurt you. And now Benson and Stabler are having a chili alfresco walk and talk with Huang and they're like saying, how Charlotte was on

cold meds and valium. That's not exactly going to throw you into a rage, and Live says, well, maybe she went home to grab more drugs and the mom has samples because the mom's a farmer rep So Huang says, they checked the whole house, but they forgot the basement, which he just seems to remember that they did that, which is great for the television program because now we

can just cut to the detectives. In the basement, there's a huge mess of pills, papers and shit are everywhere, Like it's just like a pile of pills in the middle of the room, which like shit strewn about, like this place got ransacked. Huang says, any combo of these pills could make you violent. The more pills she popped, the more violent she'd get. Then our girl Lisa La Pira pops up and she's like, we might be able to figure out what exactly they took. Boom, there's peep

in the body. Okay, there is urine in one of the toilets, and they're going to test that shit and see what's up. So Melinda says, there's no DNA from the toilet situation, but the but the urine was positive for benzos, opiates, and cold pills, but the pills wouldn't have hit her so quickly. Melinda says that she didn't

have time to metabolize them. But her blood alcohol was point two five, so she was extremely wasted, Like that's very very drunk, Like point one is like you can't drive, and point two five is like two and a half times that. So she was wasted enough to attack her mom and not understand, Melinda says. And so then they go talk to Charlotte again and she goes, there's no way I went home. I would never go home. I

was high and my mom would kill me. So I went to Ryan's and they're like, no, you needed a pit stop once the candy bowl was dry. Your mom caught you and you beat her to death. And she's like, I think I would remember that. And then they're like, well, do you remember what you were wearing? And she was like, yeah, it's all at Ryan's, like jeans, a T shirt, my

green sweater. So now we're at Ryan's seeing Stabler gather up all the clothes and then he finds her tennis shoe and boom, it has blood on the bottom of it. It gets tested and it was her mother's blood. They put the shoe in front of her and she's like, holy fuck, I was there. I don't remember it. But then she goes, I did it. I killed my mom, and then out of nowhere, punches her arm through the two way glass in the fish bowl that we call it, like the one way glass, I'm sorry, like the glass

that they look at through the interrogation. Just puts her little sixteen year old arm right through it. And I don't know how strong that glasses, if a teen can just fucking punch right through it. But now her arm is badly cut and bleeding. Craig, I also don't.

at the hospital Sydney. Trux is there. He's now he's just he's downgraded from around the head bandage to just one big bandage on his forehead. And he's like screaming at the cops, what did you do to my daughter? You interrogated her without a lawyer. She is in no sense detective, Like the accent is so wild. I do love. He's just trying to cover up his Britishness and he says, They're like, you said you saw her there, and he goes, I had a head injury. I don't know what I saw.

You better stay away from her. And they're like she's going to Rikers and he goes, oh, my dead body. So now we cut to Sydney Walk and talk with dian Neale aka Casey Novak and Kate. You know, this is a huge moment for dian Neil if you can go back and watch it and imagine how giddy she is that she's getting to walk with this man that she loves, and Casey is like begging him like, do not represent your own daughter in court. That is a bad idea. And he's like, no, I'm going to do it.

And he's like and I'm gonna win. He's like, my daughter is a repress drug addict who needs help, not prison, and and he says, the jury's gonna see her as a victim. And Casey's like not after they see the crime scene pictures and hear how Charlotte sodomized her own mother with a candlestick, Like this is not gonna go great. And he's like, well, I'm going for a not guilty by mental disease or defect defense and Casey's like, all right,

we'll let Huang interviewer. So cut to Huang talking to Charlotte in the hospital where she's recovering from her glass punching incident. She says she and her mother never had a relationship because the mother never had time for her. And it's like, okay, I get the herb's pharmaceutical rep. But like, my friend's a pharmaceutical rep and she's a single mom of two. She's a great mom. Like I don't know if it's like, you know, everything in SVU is the most high powered pharmaceutical.

you're saying she deserved to die. I'm saying she deserved to die in a horrible, bloody way and have her son dangle her lifeless arm trying to wake her up. Now, of course not, I just it's also not a real person. But you know what I'm saying. She says they were always fighting and they're like about what, And she's like, what what do you want? Like teen shit, curfews, clothes, smoking, parties, boys, everything, And she said the fights got worse as she got

older and she started fighting back. She's like, well, did it ever get physical? She's like well, she threw a pile of dirty clothes at me and said that I couldn't go out until I did my laundry. I'm like, that's hardly feels like physical, like a pile of dirty clothes. Those are soft. She said her mom blocked her when she tried to get by her, and then she pushed her out of the way and she fell down the stairs. So the mom said she popped a few viked in

and she was fine. But then last month, the mom smacked her for taking money out of her wallet. She said she hit her back and that stopped her, and she said she never laid a hand on me again. So I don't know. I wonder if the mom would have gotten more abusive. But uh Huang tells Casey that the mother and daughter had a volatile relationship that turned violent long before the attack. This but it seems like it was only a month ago and it was one slap. I don't know if I can count the laundry, but

maybe there was other stuff. This plus drugs were lethal. The rage was there even and the drugs would have exacerbated that. And so Huang says she learned how to use violence to her benefit, like a while ago. She learned that violence is what got her what she wanted. So then Novak says, now I can't accept the insanity plea that I know that there's this history of violence. Then she gets a phone call. She's like Novac sex crimes. She listens for one second and goes, this changes everything

that was Warner. She double checked the yearine they found and done done. It's from a man. So Ryan must have been with her. Let's see if Tommy can I d him. So we cut to this little bowl cut cutie looking at headshots of deadbeats, and when he sees Ryan's picture, he goes, that's him. That's the monster who hurt my daddy. It's interesting that Tommy wouldn't know what Ryan looked like anyway, like just from dating the sister for a little while. Maybe I don't think he was

allowed in the house. I don't Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Benson and Stabler go find Ryan. He runs. He's coming out of his apartment building. They're like, Ryan, he runs, They chase him, and Stabler is a vision in denhim. Okay, he's got a full Canadian tuxedo on. Ryan tries to climb a fence. They fight. Ryan keeps throwing punches at Stabler, but eventually Stabler gives him one big punch in the face,

gets him down on the ground to cuff him. When he turns him over to cuff him, he realizes that he's gone limp and he's like, turns him back over and he's like Ryan. Ryan tries to get he's totally unconscious.

He starts to administer CPR, but then Live shows up because she's tried to head him off a different way, so Lived has not seen the entire attack, but she gets there as the cuffing is happening, and liv takes his pulse and is like he's dead, and Stabler looks panicked rightfully, so because like he didn't mean to kill you get the impression. At the scene, Melinda's asking Live

questions while Craigan asks Elliott questions. Everyone is confused. Lives like, I never saw Elliott use a choke hold, but I saw Ryan throw a ton of punches at Elliott. And then he's telling Craigan what happened. When our pal Bobby Burke shows up. That's John Robert Burke aka Tucker from IAB walks up. Stabler's like here comes the rat squad, so we know IAB gets involved. You know shit's about

to get real. So cuts to an almost pitch black interrogation room, like they have not paid their light bill at IAB. Tucker and Stabler are in the dark, staring at each other like with they truly light Tucker and act like he is Darth Vader. Yeah, it is just the doom and gloom is coming. They give him one of the craziest arcs on that show ever, because then you just like love him by the time he dies.

Spoiler alert if you're only on season eight. Tucker is laying into Stabler about how all these witnesses saw you beat Ryan, and Stabler's calm. He's like, no, I restrain him after he attacked me. I used no unnecessary force. And he's like, he got five punches in on me, and then I punched him back once and then you know, Tucker's like, so all the witnesses are lying, and he's like,

it's ten witnesses. That's not good and you should really control your temper, Detective, he says to him, and Tucker says, I can't risk someone with your anger issues on the street and suspends him. Stabler's like, I didn't kill that kid, and he goes, I'll let Melinda be the final word

on that. So Melinda's doing her autopsy. She's literally pulling out organs, recording her notes with a microphone that suspended, so she kind of looks like she's doing a science y open mic, and Benson busts in like kind of breathless like Melinda, and Melinda's like, I can't talk to you about this, and lives like, well, do you know what happened? And she's like, he bled to death internally because his spleen was ruptured, and the only way his

spleen could have been ruptured is from blunt force trauma. Now, I googled the spleen. I think I thought the spleen was like way down, sort of like where your abdomen is up higher. It's kind of like it looks like it's under your rib cage a little bit, like it's up much a higher in your body than I thought it was. Benson is standing up for Elliott, like he didn't beat him, you know that, Melinda, you know him? And Melinda's like, I know what the body tells me.

I'm very uh, you know I'm not emotional about these things. She wants Elliot exonerated too, but the spleen is the only cause of death, and by homicide, and that's why how she's going to rule the music intensive eyes and lives like, well, if you can't prove he didn't murder anyone, I will so live and you know, Live has these like beautiful curtain bangs and ponytail. I do like this part of her hair journey. I really like this part.

So liv goes to talk to Sidney Truex and she's like, listen, I need to talk to your daughter again, and he's like, she doesn't remember anything, and lives like, that's why I want to give her a sodium amatal interview. And that's also known as truth serum. They it's it's used sometimes, but it's not accepted by Quartz. And he's like, my daughter's a recovering drug addict. You want me to let her, let you pump her full of drugs to save your

partner's ass. And she's like, well, if you'll recall, sir, your daughter is still charged with her mother's murder. So if Ryan is the killer, this will exonerate her as well, because right now the jury is going to see Ryan as a defenseless victim beaten by a cop, but Charlotte's testimony could swing the guilt back over to Ryan. And he tells liv Wow, you should have been a lawyer, because like he's guessing that's like Live's whole tack and it is. She's like, I have no hard proof. I

need to prove that Ryan killed your wife. So we cut the wong, giving the sodium amateal interview to Charlotte. She's lying down, eyes closed. It sort of feels like, you know, it sort of feels like Audreanna's ketamine thing before she starts crying and going crazy. If you're a house kettemine is in. It's in. Oh and it's done been in. It's been in for a couple of years. I have a couple friends that do it regularly as therapy. So yeah, people are really experimenting with it's supposed to be.

you know it's also used in parties. So Charlotte is lying there, still eyes closed, telling him quietly, calmly, everything about the evening of the murder. She remembers the party. She's mad at her mom because she said that her mom told her she has to break up with Ryan. That night, Ryan is xing, which I would assume main's ecstasy, but I don't think anyone's really brought that up yet, so maybe it means he's crossing like oxy. Oh oxy,

it's probably oxy. He wants more drugs, but there aren't any, so he leaves and she follows him because he has her keys. But he gets in a cab and she doesn't have any money, so she walks home. The door is open when she gets there. She inside, Ryan is coming up from the basement with all these pill.

is on top of her, hitting her. There's so much blood. The screaming finally stops. Ryan has something shiny, clearly talking about the candlestick. He does horrible things to her. The door slams, and then she hears dad and Tommy are coming upstairs. She hears a crash. Her dad is on the ground. Tommy looks so scared. I want to help him, but he runs away. So this explains why Tommy was like,

get the fuck away from me. But I wonder why Tommy never said Charlotte was there, Probably scared because it's his sister and she has access to him. I don't know. I feel like brothers and sisters love to taddle on each other, and if he had said she was there would have saved everybody a lot of time, and honestly, Ryan would probably still.

Like I don't know, Like I feel like the kid would have been like and Charlotte was there, and like maybe there could have been a thing where they were like, no, you didn't see Charlotte, like she couldn't have been there or something like they deny what he's saying, but like I think he would have said that she was there, but maybe I'm you know, he was very traumatized as well, so then she continues and says, I hear the alarm, but then we just leave and we go back to Ryan's.

So the dad is hearing this whole thing, and he's stunned. Also, don't you have to think that Ryan was probably so psyched when he woke up in the morning and realized his girlfriend didn't remember a goddamn thing, Like he was probably like so about last night and she's like, yeah, that party was crazy, right, and he's like, cool, you don't remember anything, Like so, if Ryan did it, then why did Charlotte confess, live, asks Huang, and Huang's like, well,

she was high. She has no conscious memory of the murder. She just felt guilty and she confessed and her blood was on the tennis shoes. She thought, oh, I must have done this. It is still pretty wild to confess something you have no memory of. But the dad is shocked and he was like, he was like, you know what, I was going to try to get her off of this, but even though deep down I thought she did do it. And I think he's just like happy and relieved to

hear that she didn't do it. But he was like, I was going to use all my fucking law tricks to get her off, even if she is a cold blooded murderer who killed my wife and did horrific things with her body. So Casey are having another like late night chat that we've seen before. Casey's like, well, the sodium amtal interview is not admissible in court, but it's enough to convince me, so I'll drop the murder charge.

Didn't realize that could happen. But IAB isn't going to ruin Elliott's career because some murder died in his custody. And a guy comes by and is like, Casey, turn on channel ten and then and there's cell phone footage of Stabler and Ryan's scuffle and it's on the news. Ryan's family wants Elliott charged with his murder because there's Saint Bart's rich family there. Obviously, like, hold the cops accountable,

even though our son might be a murderer. Casey goes again, this changes everything, and it's the second time in the episode she said that, And now IAB is going to have to go after Elliott. She says, like, there's no way they can sweep this under the rug now that it's gotten so public and that there's video of the scuffle. So liv gets a call and she's like, I'll be right there. So now she's at IAB for her interview in the darkness, and Tucker is asking her questions. She says,

Elliott is always professional. I support his actions and his decisions. They start going through Elliott's whole explosive pass like what about the time he did this, What about the time he did that? Every time he lives like that was to stop a child from who was kidnapped, That was to stop a child predator, like everything. She has a full answer for every single one, and then even after one of them she goes, well, after that one, he

went into counseling. So Olivia is telling him like, look, we work in SVU, we got to do what we ought to do. This is about kids, people that are vulnerable victims. Meanwhile, Elliott is like, we're cutting to scenes of Elliott at an apartment getting drunk at the time of Olivia's interview. It's like overlaid over it. And if you'll remember, Elliott is not at this moment living at home with Kathy. They are separated, and because he is too married do his job and his marriage and his

family life is suffering. Blah, blah blah. So Tucker brings up like every single time stable across the line, it's so many times, yeah I said that, and then she goes, my partner is not a killer. So now in Cragan's office, Elliot is basically giving up. He's like, yeah, listen, IAB's suspended me. The press has me already convicted. The grand

jury's totally going to indict, Like that's a rap. Folks like Elliot's just not going to fight for himself and Live and Craigan are like, no, you have to fight, and he's like it's over. So now we're at Elliott's bachelor pad and he's like watching the footage over and over again, like trying to figure out like where he went wrong, like what did I do to this kid to kill him? And there's a knock at the door and it's Melinda. She's like, I just heard. I'm so sorry, Elliott,

and I think she just heard. I don't know that the grand jury's going to go through. Yes, that IAB is going to like push for the grand jury and he's going to go to trial. And he says, whatever, you were doing your job, I wouldn't ask you to do anything different. So he's looking at the footage over and over and she sees him and she goes, don't torture yourself, and he goes, I never tried to hurt Ryan. I tried to save him. And Warner's like, what do you mean, and he goes, well, I gave him CPR.

And Warner's like, well, no one told me that that

changes everything. Literally, for the third time in the episode, someone goes that changes everything, which is funny because my husband and I say that there's always a point in every movie where someone says something like that, and we always use the movie Pollock, where Lily Taylor's character goes, you just blew the She goes, Pollock, you just blew the whole thing wide open, and like we say that all the time whenever there's like a whoa, you just

changed the whole game. You know, there's always lines like that in movies and stuff. So they're killing that line three times in this episode. The chess compressions, Melinda says, are what could have ruptured the spleen. That's when I googled the spleen. I was like, where's the spleen? And it's not far from where you would be doing chess compressions. So Elliot's like, well, I had to do something. You stopped breathing, and Melinda's like, well, so he was dead

before you ruptured his spleen. Then, so what killed him? And She's like, I didn't miss anything on autopsy. So he gives Melinda all the records and these two get down to a full like Homeland. They're about to start a board with red string on it, like these two are just going through files. They're crumpling up papers that are irrelevant, like these two are about to order a pizza. And then they realized from the toxicology he was on oxy,

ecstasy and cold tablets. So I guess xing is when you're doing oxy and X And what else was in the candy bowl? And Elliott tells her valuum riddle in propranolol and vicotin and she goes, wait a second, propranolol is for people with heart problems. I need to see his medical records. So cut to trial. Melinda's on the stand saying explaining that Ryan had been diagnosed with a cardiac condition called long QT syndrome, an abnormal heart thing that can lead to cardiac arrest. Why were his medical

records never examined previously. Is that not relevant to an autopsy? It seems like that would have that's would have made sense. It wasn't originally in her report because you can't see an arrhythmia on an autopsy. So he had a prescription, but he wasn't taking his meds. He was donating them to this party. So the stress of running from Elliott triggered the arrhythmia that killed him. Ryan, it turns out, brought propranolol to the farm party, which is really not

fun for anybody. It's not the kind of stuff you bring to like get high and have fun. So now we're outside of the courtroom and a guy comes out and tells Elliot the jury's voted. You're all good, so he didn't get indicted, and you know, Elliott says thanks Live says welcome back. And then Elliott shows up at home his house with Kathy and says, Kathy, we need to talk. She says, I saw the news. I knew you didn't kill that boy, but it's like, did you

not reach out? Like he's still still married. He's like on trial, he might go to jail, and he's like it's been a rough couple of days, and I've been thinking about what's important to me. I love my job and I love my family, and I almost lost both of them, and I want to come home. And Kathy gives like a face like she's thinking about it, but

looks like she's leaning towards being like, no problem. And that's dick wolf baby, But I can see This episode to me feels like one of the most Bencelur heavy episodes where I can see why people think they're in love because she stops at nothing. She's like, there's no way he can have done this. It's like you've seen him use success of force a million times, but you're like, not my partner. There's just no way, Like she can't

imagine working without him. If you're one of these people that ships the two of them, this episode's gonna give you a huge boner because she's fighting for him, fighting for him, fighting for him, and then when all her work pays off and she basically gets him exonerated, he goes home to Kathy, which is another blow for the Benchler people, you know, because that's not what they want to happen.

we got to do it. Yeah, and I know nothing about this case, so stay tuned for Lisa's full report.

degree murder counts, So that's her claim to fame. So April twenty third, two thousand and six, a young boy saw bodies through the window of the Richardson family home and that is what prompted, you know, authorities to come. So what was inside was that the previous night, Jasmine Richardson, twelve years old, stabbed her brother, Jacob, aged eight, to death, while her boyfriend killed her mom and dad.

noise and went downstairs to investigate. That's when he began stabbing her, and her screams are what woke up her husband, and so then he went down and he was violently stabbed as well. So this dude stabbed the mother, Deborah Richardson, twelve times, including a twelve centimeter deep piercing in her heart.

am I forgetting the word interrogation whatever. So the brother was upstairs holding his lightsaber across his chest at in his room like so scared.

his neck. Jesus Christ, psycho, this is dark. Later in testimony, she testified that Jacob pleaded for his life and emitted a gurgling sound as she stabbed him, and the New Zealan Harold said. She also said that it was too cruel to leave him without their parents, so.

to love the goth lifestyle. And that was Calgary in two thousand and five, and they kept touch on MySpace and VampireFreaks dot com.

They took her computer away, and even though he is a werewolf with a vial of blood around his neck, it was her idea to kill the.

talked about people from Winnipeg. We did that case with the blood straw that hot the like serendipity.

to slit. Finally there shall be silence, their bloodshall be payment.

I'm not sure I've been to Alberta, but I think it's a providence, yeah, Canadian province.

crimes with a child, she's gonna get less time. I should have got him for statutory rape too, But listen, this is a horrific crime. If you know how to get more information or you understand stuff about Canada and crimes and ceiling shit, let us know. Because she also changed her name, so it's like, why can't we just publish this young person's day?

I mean? Like I would, I would say that most twelve year olds, unless you're born like a psychopath, like, are just highly vulnerable and influenced by you know, older influences. Yeah, that's just that's just me spitball. And maybe she's a total psycho from birth. Who knows. It's just so horrible. That's horrible. Well, we don't have a guess, but we don't.

We'll get to our post smartem any second now. Okay, So, uh post mortem of this week's episode is, Oh my god, I mean, that's so funny that we randomly just talked about parenting and like saying stuff, so your kids will listen and then this I didn't even put that together that this episode, like the crux of it is that this mom like won't really listen to her daughter, and like they just have this contentious relationship, and that's like why the mother ends up rutally murdered. Like, I just

really hope that doesn't happen to me. I guess is my post mortem takeaway. I'll just let Rosie date anyone, because I don't want her to kill me.

that's really tough. The that's really tough. I was so like not, I was so not dating in high school that it's like I can't even remember what if I knew anybody who did that or like anything like like that, like how their parents handled it or whatever, Like I can't think of it. Oh no, when I was in eighth grade.

it being like fucking weird and fucked up. Oh, but like not that fucked up that I did it like, but it was like, oh, I'm not in your group, like I can't.

Like she just looked older forever. Like I met her when she was twelve years old and she had a picture of her sixteen year old boyfriend in her tent at camp and I was like, this is your boyfriend and she was like yeah, And I was like, I bet nobody thinks this is weird because you look older, but you are not older, like twelve and sixteen is not a normal distance to me, Like, I'm almost more okay with sixteen twenty like than twelve sixteen, like she

had like probably had her period. She looked older, but like it was I remember being like, I'm this is too much. She grew up and became my friend, so it's I'm not like, you know.

twenty two. Yeah, and they look they look pretty fucking mature. Yeah, I mean, you're right, I don't know what I'm saying.

I also feel like this episode, specifically, this episode of SVU has a lot of like letting rich kids run around the city and do pill parties and shit like that, which is like never which is always my nightmare about like raising kids in the city a little bit. Not that the suburbs are way more fucked up, I'm sure.

say that. She goes, well, no, I mean I went to jail. I committed a crime. And then Joy was like, oh right that part. So I mean no, Gypsy went murder is wrong? Joy, Yeah, so let don't don't. Let's the post mortem is, don't murder your parents. Figure out another way. And I hope there are people have resources where murder isn't the only answer in Gypsy's case, it felt like it kind of yeah, almost was.

And this one was a little bit tough because the crimes are all over the map, and I just felt bad for little Tommy having to witness, you know, so much violence that I wanted to this week point you to the organization Futures Without Violence. Their mission is to prevent an end violence against women and children around the world.

They have groundbreaking programs, policy development, and public action campaigns that seek to heal those that are traumatized by violence today and to create healthy families and communities free of violence tomorrow. So you know, if Emily van Kamp's family had gone to an organization like this, maybe all the

horrible tragedies wouldn't have happened. But for more info on this organization or to donate to them, go to Futures Without Violence dot org and that will be posted in our on our stories on Instagram the day that the episode comes out, and they will be saved forever. In the WWSPD highlight for this episode. Thank you so much.