Dearly Beloved

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And we're back.

We're back in the like just the recent time machine, the smaller time machine. We were or I was away for like two and a half weeks. We were on a little VACA and now we're back. But I was happy that on my VAK I got to see Lisa in person. I was on the East Coast.

I mean, I can't say enough Colin Klank to have a ledge in the deep end of the pool. In the pool, I've been talking about it NonStop. I've never seen anything like it. But what a blessing to be able to sit on a ledge in the deep end with a cocktail on the pool.

I can't. I love the ledge. I love the ledge.

I also love it because, like Rosie wants me to swimmer to the deep end sometimes, and she can swim, but if she tries to grab onto me, it's like before she drones me.

I have the ledge, you know what I mean. Yeah, I've anything like it.

So that's a cool invention that I hope to see, you know, infiltrate the systems. I'm actually kind of a trendsetter. So I had Handy Andy come to town, to my house, not to town.

I don't know why I'm speaking like this, but he hung up all my.

Rt a class act like very good was able to do some tough pieces in the brick. But we put one of my art pieces in the fireplace, like I have non working fire buses.

So it's hanging on the.

Back of the fireplace which is painted black, and it's this pink Damien Davis piece, and I'm like, I've never seen that before. Like that's fucking cool that I have an innovative way to hang art. So I just I feel really cool and chic about that because everyone's like, oh, put candles there. I had toys in there, but whatever. But no, I'm gonna have a fucking actual art piece. Feels cool. Yeah, that's really fucking cool.

I love that, cause every fireplace in New York City is pointless, like they don't work, so like, yeah, turned it into a little display. I was in the woods of Vermont for a week. That was fun as well. Had a great time with the kids. Rosie got to reunite with her little bff who moved to New Jersey, so that was cute.

They had a little week together.

Just for those of you that aren't worried or have been messaging me about the potty training journey, thank you so much. I will just update you that Oscar did poop his pants every single day of this vacation.

So we are exactly where I left you. It's going on.

He's very smart and he's very like articulate, and I'm kind of like, can you just poop in the potty? Can you put it where you put your pee? And he goes, I can't, it's not I can't do that. And he says a lot of crazy stuff about like I think he's fearful because the thing is he wears a pull up every night. If he really had to poop, he just poop in the pull up. He doesn't, he's scared to do it in the pot There's something going on. So we just have to get him over this roadblock,

He's never done that in his life. Thank god.

I've never been the source of a code brown but he Yeah, we're still working on it. So I appreciate all your messages and so of solidarity. A lot of you have messaged me that you're in a similar kind of hell. And I feel like this is the last hump. Once we get over this, the rest of parenting's gonna be smooth sailing. I don't even care what happens after that drug habit don't care. Uh, this is the worst thing that could possibly be. And I'm kidding obviously, but.

Wait, what other activities besides shitting his pants did the kids do at camp?

What are the hell?

Well, Rosie loved like tried to do archery. She gets a little bit frustrated because she can't do archery with like the bows are huge, Like they're big, but they give them the smallest one, but they're too big for She's a five year old. And so she did a little bit of that, a lot of arts and crafts. You know, pearlar beads. You put them on like a thing, and then you you iron it and they they mold together.

Yeah, I'm talking about I knew that from the moment you said it. I was a big glad girl. Oh okay, yeah, yeah.

Rosie in the art barn Uh started to make a the flag of China. Basically, I don't know what else to say. She was doing a pearlar beads of the flag of China and I was like why.

She was like, I just like it. It's red with the gold stars.

I was like, okay, I mean, I guess they're gonna they're gonna own us all it one day, so you might as well gonna jump on it, Rosie. And then she mostly just played with her friends. It was a little bit of a rainy week. We got some beautiful days though she wasn't. She did a little bit of lake swimming, but you know, she's a she's an uppity California bitch, and she doesn't want to go into like water.

She can't see the bottom.

You know, she did some, but she the first day she really tried to take her swim test and she's a great swimmer, but the swim test is hard, like you have to do a full length and back and then you have to tread for two minutes. And that's just not the kind of swimming she does. Like she does flipping around, flopping, you know, doing whatever she wants. And she I was like, I think we should wait till you're six, and she was like, I'm gonna try it.

But did she know did she give up and go yeah, I'm out, or did she have a full meltdown.

No, no meltdown. She just goes, I can't do this. I want to get out, and so she got out. We'll do it next year.

I saw a kid having a meltdown during a swim test when I was home in Skokie.

Yeah.

I was like, yeah, girl, you're not right. No you're not gonna get past because you're crying more, you know.

Yeah.

If it was in a pool, I really think she could have done it. Just the water makes her too nervous, the dark water. But we had a blast. We had a really great time. A lot of my friends were there. I saw a lot of old friends. It was a lot of fun. I went to the Sunset Park pool giant. I felt like I was in the hype like in the musicals. It was the biggest public pool I'd ever been into.

But New York hettie pools are such there's so many rules. It's like you everything needs to be in a locker. They watch you shower before you go in. You cannot bring a newspaper out there. You can have your phone anything, like there was an announcement going we see you with your phone and if you do not put it in your locker right now, you will be asked to leave.

Wait what, let's back up to the watching you shower.

What do you mean, like now you have to sprits, you have to get you have to wet yourself in the shower.

You know that's always the rule. Oh, in your suit, in your suit, in your suit.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, they're not there's not like a weird thing where they're like watching.

Yeah, this isn't you know the concentration camp.

No, well I mean you took there but yeah, yeah, yeah, no, the you're in your suit.

They do not strip you naked. They do not cavity.

So for some reason I was like, wait, what, like are they trying to make sure people don't have like I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what I was thinking.

My mind just went to naked shower watching. I don't know.

It is a high immigrant area, so it was interesting to watch, like the teens staff trying to explain you have to have a lock to an elderly man who is not really speaking English and find out the teens are like just go like.

They couldn't handle.

I like being like seeing the culture of elderly people who can't speak English and teens with summer jobs. I really like that coinciding in front of my face, Like that was pretty exciting to see.

I took a kid to a public pool in New York once, but it was pretty like it was like a normal size. But this one you're talking about, and this one that in the Heights scene is filmed in, which is called the high Bridge Pool in Washington Heights.

These are nuts. They're huge, huge for the whole time. I felt like I was in sand lot, like I was ready. Wow, oh I care. I saw the movies that I've wanted to see, you know, with our vacation time. So yes, I saw Inside Out too, and I saw Long Legs.

Okay, thoughts and prayers.

And then I read an article about Long Legs which I really liked on Vulture. But then I came home and watched this movie called Villains, and the actress from Long Legs is in it, and it's like a fully different person. I could not tell it all because at the end of Villains, I go, this girl's good, like this was exciting, googled it same woman, and I go, I just watched you in the same week, Like, how do I not know scream queen?

Wait?

Have you seen it follows? Yes, we've talked about it on here. Yeah we did.

Okay, I'm scarious movie I've ever seen. She's in that, right, yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay, Okay, Wait, so I'm gonna watch that.

I think you're.

Not gonna get You're not gonna.

Get through it.

I bet you want say, I don't even think you'll even make it a half hour.

Oh wow, Now you're fucking you're fucking waving a red flag in front of me right now.

You without I don't think you'll even last.

I don't think you'll last because I've tried to rewatch and can't finish it again.

But oh my god, Okay, that's so scary. Jared always goes, I think you'll like it. It's not super gory, and I'm like, okay, but it's not cory.

It's not gory. It's tense. It's just very tense. Like I'm on edge. I am on edge, and I don't like, I can't even handle it. There are movies where like even in Bridesmaid it's like some of us on like the tensions too much for me, honestly. Yeah, like I don't like where I'm like, they're not gonna speak.

I'm like I can't.

Oh, kid, I need to know what you thought about those two movies though. Give me your ratings. Well Inside Out too, I enjoyed thoroughly.

The kid pack at the movie theater is incredible at AMC and Union Square. Like usually when you get one of those kid boxes, you know, it's like a flat box and so the popcorn is just like, loosen this box, do you know have you ever gotten a kid pack?

No?

You always get this, No, but I know I got the idea. But you know, they're like a flat box, so this they aren't. It's a small little bag of popcorn and a drink, and for two dollars more you can get a real candy.

And then the box all closes.

Because in my head, I go, great, I'm gonna get this kid's pack and then I'm gonna fucking go to the bathroom with it.

This sucks.

And it was all closed and in this little bag, and I'd never seen a kid pack so good. I love it. I did need innovation. I needed more soda. I have to. I have to graduate from the kid pack. But for under ten dollars, I got a candy, a small popcorn, and a small drink. Like that kind of is unheard of. Like I do feel like I'm cracking some kind of code. Yeah, but anyway, I tell them light on the ice about the movie. Okay, so I loved it, but it's the exact same movie. It's like, uh, oh,

Yeah. I thought it was like.

The same but not as good and but not bad but so good, you know, not as good like I mean, I cried in Inside Out and then this one I was like, I didn'taid. I was also like running after Oscar, so I was not as focused, but I didn't.

Cried inside Out too.

But my another friend was like, oh, I cried in that movie, and I knew the exact moment, like the moment something happened. I go, this is where this bitch was crying. And I called her. I go, did you cry here? She goes, yeah, I go, I knew it, And it was just the purse. It was the moment where it's like maybe when you grow up, you just don't have joy in your life.

And that made her cry.

Oh even though our friend is doing great, it's fine, she'll be okay.

Also, I don't have like a ton of anxiety. That's not like a plight of mine. And I think a lot of people really that really resonated with how anxiety takes over.

All your other emotions.

You don't think being a control freak is a manifestation of some sort of anxiety.

Oh sure, sure probably, But I don't think I have like I guess I don't have like chronic anxiety. I don't have like you know. I'm not medicated for my anxiety or anything like that. You know, I think the anxiety is a huge problem for a lot of people. I wouldn't say I have I have it to that level. But yeah, you're right, No people have felt seeing for sure. I mean, you're sitting here telling me I've got a problem, So I guess I better look in the mirror.

No, I just I assume if you want to control things, you are scared of something, you know what I mean.

Yeah, there's no I well, I'm not like sitting here being like I have no fears. I'm fearless, like I obviously have fear. It's like, I don't think anxiety like ruins my no, but it runs like other emotions.

It helped me realize psycho comedians that we know or like people in our business because of like with Riley and Hockey, like suddenly when she loses her inner being and moral compass. She becomes someone that's like, if I'm good at hockey, I will have friends and I have to do anything I need to do to get good at hockey.

And I'm like, I know psychopaths like this, I definitely do.

And then Long Legs was so we but I liked that it was spooky.

I'm like into it.

It was Yellow Jacket Sea where you're like you think it's one thing and then it's actually something else, Like I haven't seen that many cop or like detective things where at the end it is just spooky.

Yeah, I mean we should be yeah, like we should be able to talk about it now because it's so if you haven't seen Long Lives and you want to watch it fast forward, it's been out for months, but like I'm gonna give my review and there will be some spoilers.

I just thought it was so good.

Leading up to the end, and then because the the cinematography is amazing, the acting is good, like the vibe throughout the first half, I'm like, I am scared.

I'm on the edge of my seat, what's happening.

And then just at the end, it's just like, Hi, I'm just gonna tell you the story of everything that's happening, and then it's just an explanation at the end, Like the end of the movie is a nothing burger, and that bothered me, Like it the end, it's like, yeah, haunted doll, Like I don't know, it's just like I hated the end.

Well, one of the things that I did screenshot in the Vulture article and it's an oz good quote, like the creator of it, but he was saying how the Devil's always behind her, and there's actually like Vulture has a series where there's the Devil is hidden in the background of all of these scenes. So that's kind of cool, Like you have to look at these photos because one you really really have to look, like it's not clear, but you see the devil everywhere, and the devil is

I mean also like also, like Nick Cage is terrifying in it, Like that opening scene is so scary.

Okay, he's screamed, I screamed, I shot But the man, it's so goofy.

It's so goofy.

Then yes, why are we then in his house watching him by himself? Why are we watching him drive his car? Because it's in the basement. He's he lives in the basement. I didn't know that of the mom's house.

Oh he does. That's what I got from this vulture when I don't understand. Oh I didn't get that.

That's what I mean. I don't get a lot of things, like True Detective. I remember when I watched that, I had to read every article and RecA I just don't get things. So that he lives in the mom's basement and that's why the bug comes out and she can't get into it and does it and she's like, what's down here?

And he's living there.

Oh, I didn't even put that together, so I'll be honest, I didn't get that. But like even watching him drive his car, it's like, let's leave him like this mysterious figure, Like I didn't really want there to be alone time with him. And then you know, Nick Cage is just fucking it's camp I mean, he's like camping it up with this character. Like, but there was a lot I liked about it, and I found going to watch it enjoyable. But I just was like the end was like it's

I thought Living City, I don't get why you have to be a lone female woman detective in the woods.

Get a house I know with a neighbor, please living oh was living in the middle of nowhere. Get a dog or something like Jesus. Also, Blair Underwood SVU Alum is all one of the very few cast members.

I have a huge Oh yeah, Blair Underwood. Of course, I'm sorry I got so hyped up. We were texting about this, but we do have a huge story. So I did a show in Connecticut and I'm talking to a listener and this is the story. So what's up Connecticut. So basically, she's a listener. She's in her car, she's listening to our episode Poison, whenever that episode came out with Tom Scarett, and we're talking about and this, I guess it's a nice time stamp.

It's when I did Whippets.

So I'm on, I guess the podcast talking about how I love whippets and how I only did it the one time. I've not done it since, but I did love it and I would do it again. And then you start saying, well, no, Colin our neurologist are podcast neurologist. He said that he has a patient who is fully brain dead. Paralyzed because of his whippet's addiction and how dangerous it really is. And this woman in the car realizes that her ex husband is Colin's patient and her

Well that's dark. It is really dark.

Yeah, but she she didn't actly, it's the.

Best thing that's happened to her.

They got divorced, she has a daughter, she's doing a good job, she makes a lot of money. I mean, it is sad, of course. She's like, yeah, I saw him on OA. She didn't feel like it was a hip a violation.

It's not like my brother gave away any describing details of this person.

But wow, that was in her vibe. That wasn't her vibe at all.

She I got a note hand it's me backstage from her and her friend like they were down to talk about it. They it honestly like repeating it. It is pretty dark, but hanging out with them was not dark. So it didn't really like settle with me, okay, but it was She's like, yeah, it was like Russia Shana, and I see him fucking doing whippets, you know, like at their family Russia Shaana. And that's like Steve O, like I might do it one more time, but now actually I might not because I don't.

I can't risk it. Like he's never gonna know his child. It is sad. It's sad.

I mean, I really can't see you doing whippets at Russia Shana. But yes, I mean you never know. It's like it's tough, like it sucks. Yeah, Like the first time I ever did ecstasy as it was called back in the day, Molly md me, Like I was like, oh, I shouldn't do this again. This is like the best thing ever, like I you know, like I was definitely and I have gone on to do it a couple of more times, but very very distance, big distances in between, because yeah, you gotta be careful, slippery slope.

And I had another listener interaction. I went to the Brooklyn Cyclones game. But what's amazing was Friendship Bracelet night, and so I knew I was gonna get friendship bracelets and I made some and like they all say, Brooklyn and baseball, but it's because they can't call it Taylor Swift night. They played Taylor Swift the whole baseball game. Every game on the field was about Taylor Swift.

Like it was wild. It was so cool, and I got just wow. Yeah, and you have the bracelets. Where did you get base all like charms? You ordered them or you went to do like a bead shop? Now, No, it was it was the Cyclones had Friendship bracelet night. They they gave us. Oh they had oh cute, Okay, they gave us. I thought you meant you made them in advance. Okay, I made some as well for the friends that came with me. I made Cyclones once, but then they gave me for clu. Yeah, because I was like,

So there's SPADs.

There's loose SPADs everywhere around my apartment. It's the new bobby pin. It's the new Bobby pin. Like I'll drop a bead and be like, well there, it's the new water bottle with one sip left. Oh my god, I'm money. They're still around. Wait, hold on, you went to see Oh Mary I'm Broadway.

Wow.

Yes, I went to see Oh Mary on Broadway. Very fun very funny show.

Yeah.

I don't really, I just I thought it was great.

Well, so someone I know comes up to me and he goes, I finally met one person who didn't like it. And then when they told me who it was, I go, well, yeah, this man is in the closet. Of course he doesn't like a performance of like full gay absurdity. He'd and thought it was cheap or whatever because he's in the closet and married to a woman when he's clearly gay.

God, crazily. I was talking about this person last night. Wow, I was talking about this person last night. I saw Eddie Redmain on my walk to see Oh Mary. When I saw it, Oh, because he's on Broadway too, so we saw each other.

You saw the Danish girl. He probably told us. I bet he told his friends too. I saw some woman. Oh my god, that's why. Okay, we I mean, we've been gone for so long. Oh, if anyone can help me, I guess I'll bring this up. So I have like a new one two three, there's like I have a new like hook thingy. But outside of keys, what else am I hanging on the hooks an umbrella? There's still four more hooks left? What are people hanging on their hooks?

Oh, you'll think of stuff like let's say you're like doing a like a gig one.

Time or something like.

I don't know, there might be something you need like a security pass, like don't forget it every day, you know, or like security.

Yes, I don't know, Like we're not gonna do work at the un no.

You know if you work on like a TV production or something like that where there's like past Oh my god.

Guess who I'm at.

Someone that's a party planner who does the Vanity Fair Oscar party and they're gonna do this.

Yeah?

Yeah, I said, what's the most expensive party that you plan?

I bet you peppered them with questions.

What's the most expensive you asked? I said, what's the most expensive event you guys have done? And he said the Vanity Fair Oscar party, And all of a sudden, I went, okay, like we have a convo.

Go in now. Yeah that's fun. Yeah, that was the threat. Get them to come on the pod. We'll do it.

Oh. Also, thank you to everyone that came to show and tell at Union Hall. I'm and I do another one in October. Casey is getting mad at us, but I it's he's pissed.

We will not stop talking.

Every time we say that, though, they send us messages that are like tell Casey to shut up, and it's like Casey's not really doing anything that bad. It's not like he's fuming. He's sitting here grinning with his cute baby like he's not mad at us.

I think he's just like, Wow.

Every minute you guys ramble about nonsense is more time I have to edit to make you sound normal.

No, but thank you for coming.

Everyone was so funny and so down the clim and I'm doing it again in October, so come to show amazing.

It was so speaking of thank you, Yes, I would hope to come be on be at one on one at some point.

That sounds so fun.

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Here we go.

Okay, today we are doing the episode Dearly Beloved from season twenty, episode nineteen. This air two days after Rosie's birthday April fourth, twenty nineteen.

Yeah, do you watch it at the hospital? I don't think I watched it at the hospital.

I probably definitely had it on MYDVR when I got home and was probably watching it while I dealt with the new days of motherhood. And this episode starts with the song Dreams by Beck playing.

I don't know that off the top of my head.

I just watched with the captions on, and you know, the show doesn't often pay for known music, but when they do, it's music by a scientologist.

And so, I mean Beck is a scientologist. I didn't know that well.

I've always heard he was a scientologist, but now I'm now I'm googling it and I'm seeing like a Daily Beast article from twenty nineteen claiming saying Beck claims he was never a scientologist, but Lea Remeni and others call bs so I could be one of those things where he grew up in it, but like now as an adult, he doesn't.

He doesn't take it. And I like Beck's music. I'm not. I was just kind of trying to make a joke.

But you know, Mike Rinder famously from the Scientology show that Lea Remeni made and her they don't think they were, Like, he's acting like he was never a scientologist, but like that's because now he's getting labeled like he's never gotten attack like we did and blah blah blah. So Remedie says, pussy move, you can.

Quote me on that. What are you gonna do? I'm not going to fight le A Remedy on anything. Okay.

So the groom is like, you know, the guy is polishing his shoes, buttons, cuffs, getting his boat tie on.

It's definitely a wedding. And this groom is like, there's a crease in my collar? Are my eyebrows too bushy?

And I guess I just like really never considered a groom ever caring that much. Like I always assume groom's just like strapped on that cumber bund and got out there. But as this guy seems very invested, he gets a call from an unknown number and he can't believe someone is calling him on his special day. But it could be a patient. It's he's a shrink. So we cut to the gals and the bridal suite and they seem much more chill, like one of them is like I

The groom.

Josh Hensley, who they referred to as doctor Hensley a lot throughout the episode, is a therapist, so I don't know if he's they call him a psychologist. So later, so he's a psychologist and he's the groom. She says she went to see him on December eleventh. She knows the exact date without having to look at a date book or a palm pilot or anything, and it was a few months after her mom died. She said she saw him after work. A receptionist had booked the appointment,

At first.

She told him her story that she's the only child that her dad left and she just missed her mom so much. She started to cry, and that's when he came and sat next to her on the couch and he asked to give her a hug, and he said it was normal and Live goes it's not, and it's like, okay, Live, you're correct, But also, mister Noodle bought you jewelry, so I don't know if you know the actual line on

Dog? Like?

She says she was your patient and he's like that's not true. That never happened. There's no appointment, and Crisey's like, we'll go find out, and he goes, let's go to my office right now. There's no file, no billing record, nothing, And they're like, well, why would she accuse you?

And he's like, I have no clue.

So then Rollins goes into guy's girl mode, you know, she goes, maybe it was like a fling, you know, maybe it was like a last hurrah before your wedding.

I know how you guys do.

And he's like, I have never ever cheated on Laana And he's like, this will destroy me.

You guys got to help me.

Like you're honestly on his side, like a little bit at the beginning, You're like, wow, is she just like making this up out of nowhere? Because it's just weird that there would be zero connection that that's what he's maintaining. Back at the precinct, Benson is like, Kitty seems like a typical victim and Crisey's like yeah, but the dude swears he's never seen her. And Ben's like, well, why

Is a lie.

I mean, the whole reason why you write your name now on like stickers when you sign in to medical offices is because then they remove the sticker immediately. Because sign in sheets are a hip of violation. You can't just show people Like technically, I'm not even allowed to say, Lisa, I know you go to doctor so and so on this podcast. That's like a violation of HIPPA, you know, like.

Not what you've had done a doctor.

Right.

But if okay, so.

If I worked at a doctor's office because I worked at my mom's office and I had to get hip A certified, and if I said, oh, you've been a patient of my mom's for a long time, that would be a hip of violation, like because even though it's just a pediatrician, you know, like even though it's like you know, that's not likely like releasing anything about your medical actual history.

It's a violation even to say who your doctor is.

So Cariese kind of fudges it, and the girl gets the book and the calendar and there is no appointment for that date, but there is one for seven fifteen, and it says Hannah Berkowitz with a phone number, and they are written in pencil. Careesy points out, so they could have been changed, and the lady's like, well, yeah, I guess if the client changes, but you can also tell when something's been erased in pencil, and there's there was nothing in the six fifteen slot.

So on the way out, Cariese says.

He memorized the phone number by Hannah's name, so if Kitty was there, maybe Hannah saw her leave. So now they're at a toe above the rest ballet studio, and I'm it's I don't really think ballet's studios do kind of like cute sceneames like that. But maybe maybe I'm wrong, and she's talking to Hannah Brookowitz.

I just don't think like to's should be in the name of anything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, toe should be men's toe should be illegal, as you've said previously, which I do think would be good merch.

I could have been a bow above the rest, a bow above the a bun above the yeah buds.

Yeah, I don't know, we could have done something better.

And Hannah Brookwitz is played by Poppy Lou who if you watch Hacks, she is Debra's blackjack dealer and a very funny character. And she actually posted a very cute photo from the set of her and Lucy Lou, who directed this episode in case anybody Yeah, Lucy Lou directed this episode, and she says in the caption that their cousins, and she's likelu she was like, oh my god, so honored to work with you. You're one of my like Asian

So it's wild.

She goes, oh, yeah, December eleventh, I know showed my appointment that night. I had a big recital in Philly. Was like getting back to the city because of traffic in the tunnel, like she knows so many details. Rollins is like, Okay, doctor Hensley, did he ever do anything weird with you?

Like, try anything?

And she's like, I'm gay actually, and doctor Hensley helped me come out two years ago. She's like, is he in some kind of trouble and Caresey Cresy probably shouldn't be answering, like as a cop, I don't think you're supposed to like give out more information. And Creasy goes, one of his female patients may have had some issues, and I think that's too much to disclose. But Hannah goes, wait a minute, is her name Kitty Bennett? And they're like,

So they go talk to Bo.

And he's telling Rollins and Creasy that Kitty is quote unquote looney Tunes. He said he met her one set of cooking class, complimented her sou.

Fle and then she blew up his Facebook messenger.

He says he was just trying to be nice, but then she found out he was a trainer. She started sending him daily videos of herself exercising and sexy jym outfits. He told her he had a girlfriend. She accused him of leading her on, so he blocked her. She started harassing the girlfriend, like showing up at her waitressing job.

And Liv says, well, there's no record.

Of the appointment, and to me, that doesn't make any difference, Like he could have bought a completely new appointment book after he rapes a patient, you know what I mean, Like in a pencil book if it was like a computer thing where you can like track things that have been deleted and this and that. Okay, a penciled in date book. I'm not buying it. So she's like, what are you saying? I made this up? And Lives like no, but yeah, and Kittie's like, look, I'm not some choir girl.

I fucked up.

But that's why he thought he could get away with this, and that is something we've seen that is like predators know who to choose right, Like we've seen that lives like, let's start over. I want to believe you. I need you to help me. Are there any details that you can remember, like smells, anything from you know, the attack, and she goes, I just remember lying on that red leather couch, staring up at the ceiling and praying for

I thought it was spam.

And then Lana brings up a dating profile and at first it seems like Josh is like, don't like, you know, but then they don't really comment on that again. And someone emailed Lana a link to Josh's dating profile page and he's like, I've never online date and she's like, and I could tell after I looked at it for a while that the page was fake, Like all the pictures were from Google. Some of the info was wrong. But I mean, honestly, if you are going to cheat,

What that does.

But you know, yeah, like she is nutty nutty, But the look of this man, I don't trust this man at all.

The moment I saw him, I was like, not not my kind.

I know. I feel actually like a loser because like I believe him for the first quarter of the episode, like I'm like, and then after I was like, oh wait, I know this up. Like I was like, yes, this guy's bad, but I cannot believe you were tricks by him. I was tricked a little bit because I don't understand the doubling down. We're going to get into it, obviously, but the doubling down of I don't have any idea

I don't know.

I famously listened to Cereal twice through, so I'm very interested in cell phone towers. Liv Is like, Babe, there are so many inconsistencies. We're just trying to figure out what happened. And then Kitty like runs to the bathroom and throws up, and then Benson clocks a pregnancy test in the trash. She asks, Kitty, are you pregnant? And she says, after the rape, I missed a period. I thought it was just stress, and then the nausea started, So I honestly just took a pregnancy test right before

This is actually a great break in the case, you know.

So at a medical facility getting blood drawn, Kitty's telling Live about how she always dreamed of being a mom. She had a baby doll with a bottle when she was little, and her imaginary husband was a prince named Sebastian. And then, very nonchalant, she just goes, I never thought my baby's father would be a man who raped me, Like she's just saying, it's so nonchalant, You're like, what's happening.

The child of my rapist?

And like we do know that Olivia is a child of rape, and like, I think we need to like let this lady do her thing. Like it is weird how much she is getting involved in making faces and stuff. Especially season twenty, Katy wants to know what Live would do, and Live as usual is struggling with being able to like say her truth.

She's like, it's hard for me to be objective. You're really raw right now.

With some distance, you'll realize that this baby is half yours. No matter what happened to you, he or she the baby, it's not their fault. And She's like, weird, it's weird. It's weird, and I'm going to talk about it more later for sure, and she's like, but if I wait, and it's too late, and Lives like, maybe talk to someone, and Kitty goes like another psychologist. Thanks, I'm good. Like literally,

Catching her breath. I don't get it.

Back at the precinct, doctor Hensley's getting swabbed and saying this woman must have a personality disorder and she needs help. He's like, once these labs come back, I'm cleared, right, and Rollins is like, not necessarily, and Creasey's like once up at a time, but Hensley's like, well, one thing I know is that I'm going to sue the shit out of this woman, and like I'm taking her for

I didn't say it to her, but I think she was a drunk, Like I think she probably did mean it.

She wasn't drunk, But at this point, the girl's fifteen, Like I could see you saying that when they're like a baby and you're becoming a new mom and.

You're like, how do I look?

It's like she's fifteen, Like this is around the time where Livia Benson starts dating older college professors and shit, you're gonna have bigger fish to fry than whether you light love her or not.

You gotta help her.

So I don't know, I don't This is all like not jibing with me, just with like the past. Live has wet eyes, she's very emotional, so obviously this is the moment Careese bursts in and he's like, DNA results are in. It's a match, done, done, And then I wrote, is this guy a fucking psychopath? And like the answer is yes, Like that's what I like when you're watching

Does this man think that he is outsmarting DNA?

Or maybe he doesn't know there's a pregnance he must otherwise why is he giving his DNA?

Right? So, I don't know.

Liv goes pick him up, so Rollin's and caresy bang on his door.

He opens it and he's like what now, And it's like, what do you mean? What now? You?

You are acting like you've done nothing. You have literally been matched. They're like, bad news, Doc, the paternity test came back and you're it. Lana looks like she's been punched in the gut, like she doubles over, like she is upset.

Henley's like, this is a mistake.

And they're like, DNA doesn't liebro and he's like, Lana, listen, I did not rape that woman.

She says, shut up, shut up for once in your life. Shut up.

You're like, okay, trouble in paradise. I thought, you know, these two were a solid front. But she's like, shut the fuck up, you idiot, and Carisee's like, I'm gonna go with your wife on this one. Why don't you shut your damn pie hole. He tells Lana he loves her, don't give up on me. As Cariese's like hauling his ass off down the hauling cuffs. In interrogation, Hensley is still sitting there going I didn't rape Kitty, and Benson's like, okay,

Was going to be.

And then they're like, why did so you already like hate him now because it's like, why would that even be a thing that you're like talking about the game of it all, Like you just realized within ten minutes that you could fuck this woman, like you're gross. So why does she claim she was your patient? They're like, and he says, because she's vindictive, and he's like, you don't believe me, and Live goes, well, lie to me once you know, she's like, fool me once. Shame on,

So it's like, why am I blanking on her last name?

Barlow? Lisa Barlow? She's always like and nah, roll footage. So next scene, Benson, Rollins, and Creasy are gathered around for a little show of the footage, and on it you can see Hensley arriving, knocking at the door, Katie opening the door in a sexy dress, and then kissing him, like them embracing and making out so pretty wild.

The security camera got that.

I feel like, normally you'd let someone in, shut the door, then kiss, but you know, they couldn't keep their hands off each other and lives like they're both liars. Done done, Okay, So now they show this. They're showing this footage to Kitty and she's like, I know how this looks, and she's like, okay, so I did sleep with him a few times, but it was after he raped me in his office.

I'm not lying about that.

And they're like Josh says, you guys met at a bar and the bartender confirmed seeing you together. She goes, yeah, but that was a few days after my appointment. And they're like an appointment that nobody can confirm. And then they're like, did you give him your kety apartment? She goes, yeah, but I changed the locks after he dumped me, and Rollins says, like, is that what this is about right now? You were hurt, slept with him and found out he

And then you took him home.

They asked her and she's like, he said, I had intimacy issues. That the grief for my mom was masking my real problems and that he was going to help me.

Work it out.

She says she's sorry, she knows she screwed it up, and she's like, is he in jail now?

And they're like, well, he was a rain, but he made bail.

So if he gets in touch with you, you've got to tell us and lives like, we're going to continue investigating, and they're like, there's nothing else you're hiding and she's like, no, nothing else, and I'm sorry I didn't tell you the whole truth. And of course, as they're walking out, Lana's at the front desk, the wife the fiance. Kitty goes off immediately like what are you doing here? I'm the victor, you're not the victim.

I am.

I have your disgusting fiance's baby and my belly. Like she's like really going off on this woman, and Lana's like, please leave me alone. Robins tells Kitty to chill. Lana's like, why does she hate me so much when she's the one that destroyed my life? And then Benson takes Lana in her office and she's like, well, that could be Josh's fault.

You know.

Lana's like, last weekend, I was walking down the aisle and this nightmare just keeps getting worse. Or it's the I'm like, or it's the greatest bullet dodge of all time, bitch, like you should run. She tells Benson that Josh finally admitted the affair, and Live asks how did you guys first meet? And Lana goes, oh, Josh was my therapist and it's like, uh, like the groan that I groaned, Like she said, well no, but we didn't start seeing

Off, and Lives like did you want that?

And then Lana like dodges the question, and she's like, Josh was always a really great boyfriend. He taught me about classical music, Russian novels, took me to galleries and museums, and lives like, is that shit you like to do? And Lona's like, Josh makes all the decisions, like she's like a robot, and Benson's like, what do you mean, and She's like, like in the bedroom, he likes to be dominant, and then liv goes, is that what you like? And Lana goes sure, but like in the same way

His power over her is almost pathological.

Benson thinks Kitty was telling the truth and Rollins is like, yeah, we've seen victims before go back and sleep with their rapists.

So obviously that's deeply.

Psychological and I'm not going to comment on why anyone would do that. But we've seen people on this podcast. We've talked about people that message their rapists afterwards flirt with them. You know, there's all kinds of reasons people do things like this. CARIESI interrupts and is like, guys, the police are responding to a nine one one call at Hensley's place.

Uh oh.

When they get to the scene, they hear it's a female intruder. It's Kitty Bennett. They're like, we waited for you because we know you.

Guys know her.

So when they walk into the apartment, Kitty has a broken bottle to Hensley's neck. Lana is in the kitchen and they're like. She's saying she's gonna kill him if he doesn't admit to raping her, and Kitty is on edge. She's like, come any closer and I'll do it, and Rollins is like, then I'll have to shoot you. Like Rollins has her gun out and Benson is like, okay, let's just talk. Kitty's like about what this thing that's growing inside of me? Like she is not happy to

I know he raped you, And Kitty's not buying it. She goes, oh, dare you?

Like I think she thinks Lana's making fun of her or like fucking with her to try to get her to do what she wants, and Lana says, no, he said those exact same things to me, remember Josh, the first time we had sex after he raped me, and Lana breaks down sobbing.

Kitty looks shocked.

Benson gets her to drop the bottle and she basically like falls into Benson's arms and like is finally being believed after being fucking gas lit all the way all over Manhattan and back like this episode is gaslighting in a nutshell. Lana's telling her story about how her and Josh went out looking for lofts like they were having drinks afterwards. He really helped her build her confidence because she was new to real estate. He was charming, supportive

With flowers and champagne.

Truly psychopathic behavior like to then date her and live with her in the apartment where that crime was where he committed. That crime is like off the charts insane.

On Wall Street?

Anyway, Rollins goes he he's sick, and then asks Lana, are you willing to testify against him?

And she's like I.

Didn't really want to admit what he really was until I heard Kitty say those same things that he said to me, and then she goes, yes, I'll testify. So Benson's like pick him up again. So now a brassy lady lawyer who I don't think we see again so I'm not really going to get into who she is.

She hasn't decided what to do about the baby.

I thought for sure I was going to get an abortion, and lives like and now, and she said, I felt the baby kick this morning, and it reminded me of what you said. What happened to me is not this baby's fault. And I wrote, OMG, what you literally heard your mother say that at fifteen? Like, I know you turned out to be like a great person, but like that's been you like your whole life. Why are you fighting for this very fragile woman to keep her rapist baby?

Katy will I don't think that this character should have.

A kid, right, this guy's kid. How do you know that this sociopathy is not like genetic in his case? You know, Live goes, but I love they do this thing.

I mean the fact that she felt a kick.

I'm like, she should have had this done way earlier, like in my opinion, but also it's very out of character for Olivia and it does not make sense that she would push this woman to the edge, more so than many other victims she's dealt with in this situation. And I went on Reddit and a lot of people there agree with me. A lot of people were like, this is so out of character. We know her, this is not what Olivia would do, and I was like,

So it's such a weird move.

It's a really fucking weird move for her to go all pregnancy crisis and then like then it's like in two seasons or whatever, she's taking that girl from Ohio like fighting for her right to get an abortion and she's thirteen, Like, I don't think this woman and she's lost her job, She's.

Got a long road of therapy ahead.

We think, adding the stress of raising this baby is helpful for her.

I just don't get it. Yeah, I agree.

I second everything that you just yeah, yeah, anyway, Yeah, And it's not the cooler move like you know girls did that where she keeps this baby out of spite and it's like you're not doing anything cool, You're doing what everyone does, keeping it Like I don't know.

Yeah, and it's not like this is this woman's last chance to have a child, and like, I don't know, it just seems like so fucking weird. I normally I feel like live is just like you'll know what you need to do when the time is right, moving on, you know, Like this is so much pregnancy crisis center like rhetoric to me. But anyway, I'm excited to hear you talk about some crimes.

Maybe I'm not. I don't know, maybe I'm not. Okay, So there's a few cases. I don't know.

I feel like I keep getting these multi case episodes.

Yes.

So the first case is the Lamar Edgerson case. This went down in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and he was a nationally recognized therapist who used hypnosis to sexually assault patients over a course of several years. So yeah. He was finally charged in twenty eighteen after certain patients came forward. On April twenty seventeen, a woman reported that Edgerson sexually

Wow, well, I'm glad he got jail. I mean, it doesn't seem like enough. This seems like you are a danger to society. I don't think you should be out there. I'm sure hypno's a license, I'm sure hees no, but I mean even just your no no of course, but like even just your general demeanor that that's what you think is like normal. But also I feel like, yeah, there needs to be like clearer boundaries. I feel like with what therapists, how much a therapist is like allowed

Me picking you up from a bar, it's part of your treatment. Me like doing this.

It's you know, like they can just say that it's like a catch all, and I just feel like it's important to know that your therapy should basically just be happening either on zoom or in an office, and you should really not be interacting outside of your sessions at all. And we have therapists that follow us, and I'm sure they can pipe in. But and I understand the like curiosity. I've been so curious about some of my therapists before,

No, no, no, no no. And so I mean I agree, it just sucks. I'm glad he got caught.

And I don't know, I'm curious about hypnosis, but it is pretty dangerous, I guess.

Yeah, there's another episode of this, right, there's a lot of hypnosis therapies. You know, child's identity where they made he made the kids have sucks with each other.

Oh my god.

But yeah, like with crimes, this kind of small you know, it's like many media outlets, but it's the same information over and over and over and all of them like it was one press release from the police department and that's that. And so I am curious, like did the writers really find this article?

Do they have pings?

Like is it just a concept of you know, bad bad therapists? But it made me, yeah, kind of wonder Yeah, Okay. So the next case is the Shelby McDowell case, and this is a wedding crasher situation. So, Florida, October twenty seventeen, twenty year old Shelby McDowell arrived at a Palm Coast wedding and she was wearing a black wig. In the beginning, she's a blunt and she was not invited, but she was there to spy on her boyfriend and named a man named Darby John's wild name.

Okay.

She saw him dancing and kissing another woman and rushed shover through a drink at the both of them and then punched her and she then fled to the bathroom where things escalated. McDowell says a few bridesmaids pulled her out by her feet and punched her to punish her for what she had done. And so but the resort officials say when they came in to break up the fight, that McDowell was actually on top of a victim, punching her in the face. So why, I don't know what

Or nothing?

Yeah, But it's also like, do you think that her and that guy were dating? Do you think that guy is just like lying and being like gaslighting and being like, I mean, he's been like secretly dating her for two years and then kind of like, I mean, I don't we're not dating.

I don't know.

I because of the move, because of Ingrid goes west, they can believe it, and because I think people are out there being kookie. I mean, she looked like a good time girl. I'll say that much. But the wig I don't see.

I don't know.

I didn't get the impression that she's because even okay, you're if you were going out for two years and your boyfriend took someone else to a wedding or you weren't invited, that would be an issue beforehand. That would be like I'm going to the wedding, Like why would he take another person?

Right right? Like he must be a real.

Scum lord, like like but if they had an actual, real relationship for two years, this would be really bad behavior.

Yeah, I think maybe.

He wasn't invited with a plus one, but he but and then he's dancing with this woman.

I don't know.

Tell us what you guys think, Yeah, if you know, I mean, this is not that old of a case. If anybody knows anything more about Shelby McDowell case, let us know.

No, And it was like on the cut, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's where I was reading, because it's like.

At everybody loves a wild met wedding meltdown, like everyone Yeah.

A wedding crasher, punched in the face, getting dragged out by bridesmaids.

Remember the woman he was than doing trying to do a spin move off of the pole in the middle of the dance and just took down the whole wedding tent.

It was like a huge viral video like love that.

I do.

Love that.

Okay, So this one's a little meteor. This is the Susan Polk case. She was a California woman, mother of three and ended up murdering her husband, who was her therapist when she was a teen.

No, so very many layers here.

She says that he took advantage of her when she was an underage patient, but basically her one of her sons found doctor Frank Felix Poke's dead body in the pool of the house that they shared, like in the backhouse guest house pool area.

He called the police.

They were rich mansion, huge house, like very wealthy in Arenda, Florida. And so it says California in your notes. Y, Yes, that's what I meant. Yeah, or Rinda, California, which is by San Francisco. And then so the son called the police, and around nine pm on October fourteenth, two thousand and two, the cops arrived and they found doctor Polk in the main room of the poolhouse on his back, lying in

So that's that.

Gabe also told police that he was like waiting for his dad to go to a baseball game that afternoon, but by the time like nine pm rolled around, the dead didn't show up. He was like, maybe I should check, but the mom was like, oh, I don't know where your dad is. And so at nine pm, he like finally went and found his dad. There were no signs of a struggle or forced entry to the poolhouse, so

And then he marries Susan.

Yeah, his twenty year old woman that he's like literally been svengaliing since she was a teen.

Ugh, ugh, it's right.

And they were married December nineteen eighty one and they had three sons, Adam, Eli and Gabriel. When the kids moved out, their marriage began to deteriorate, and she was planning on moving to Montana and like, you know, splitting from him, and it was just too much constant fighting.

They were at each other's throats and she wanted out.

But while she was away, police found out that Felix took steps against her in the divorce, so she like he got a restraining order against her to give himself sole custody of their children and sole possession of their home. So while she's in Montana trying to figure out her Eprey love second half of life under the Tuscan Sun, he's at home, plotting, going to lawyers and trying to

So I kind of obsessed with her, Okay.

So she did eventually admit to doing it, but did claim self defense. She said there was a fight that happened, and he grabbed a knife and attacked her, and fearing for her life since she'd been abused before, she had to fight back. She argued self defense, but prosecutors and police did not believe her. She claims that, you know, he's a liar. He turned the kids against her and told the kids that she was mentally ill. But she did murder a man, so you know, he might have

Trial in two thousand and six.

And let me tell you all the quotes of like all the other lawyers were like she fucking crushed. They were like her cross examination was killer. We don't know where she came from, Like everyone was praising her, like lawyer skills on the stand got but even like a wilder twist to this case. The trial was supposed to happen in two thousand and four, but Pamela Vitali, the wife of Polk's attorney Dan Horowitz, was found stabbed to death inside their home.

Oh my god.

Yeah, So a teen who lived nearby, Scott de Leski, was convicted of torturing this woman to death. And so yeah, the lawyer dropped out of the case. And then after Polk publicly suggested that he was involved in his wife's murder, why would she.

She just didn't care. I mean, she's she's on one. Okay, she's on one.

So it's whoever.

Children did testify against her in court, and she then cross examined her sons.

No, yeah, I think.

Svu's even done that, had a mom representing herself cross examining her own kids.

No, we gotta we gotta pitch, we gotta pitch something.

Because imagine me being like Oskie, tell the truth to the court.

Knock on wood. Yeah, so she was just like badger.

You know, they were badgered by their own mom, and it got one, it got wild, and you know how women are.

Usually judged and stuff.

It probably doesn't look good because even in certain cases in SVU, the dude lawyers are like, you know, I can't be yelling at a schoolgirl up there, like you need to do it, you know, like optics do matter, and so like just watching her bade her sons on the stand. But one child, the middle child, Eli, did stand as her defense witness. The jury deliberated it for four days and did find her guilty of second degree murder of her husband and received a sentence of sixteen

And if she had schizophrenia, it's hard to believe she would be so good at like crushing her defense.

You know, Well it could have been one of her you know, split personality.

Yeah, I don't know, we're being interesting.

I feel like we have gone backwards in I was like, oh, you know, split personnel like that.

Is not schizophrenica. It's not schizophrenia.

But like, yeah, I mean sure people suffering from schizophrenia have good days and bad days, But how can you be sure it's going to be a good day and crush it in court?

Like I don't know. I mean, she probably had.

Some diagnosis, but Also, she's been married to a man for twenty years who's a cheater and was setting her up to fuck her over, and also was probably manipulating her and gat lighting her for twenty years. Yeah, you know, he probably called her crazy every day.

I know, But I wonder if this is like when a major league pitcher is, you know, high as a kite and just pitches a no hitter, Like yeah, maybe it's just the situation where she's just in.

Her bag, you know, yeah, ready to go in her element. I love it all right, Well, thank you. Those were all quite interesting. If anyone has any more information about what happened at that wedding brawl, I'd really love to know. I'd really love to know if they were really dating or not. We suld like a pitch.

We should make an internet video pleading for someone to reach it.

Yeah, come forward, please better yet the woman, let's get her on. Okay, we don't have a guest today, so let's get dive right into our post mortem a wedding I'm happy was ruined in this episode. I will say that this guy is a like, maybe one of my most hated villains in SVU history, because I hate that he made me believe him at the beginning, Like he was so committed to his own lie that I was like, oh, this guy, they're not even showing the guy with a

Twist that's gonna happen.

I know.

The twist is just that he's a psychopath, gaslighter.

Yeah, raped his fucking wife too, or fiance. Thank god she didn't marry him. And it's arrogance. It all goes down to arrogance. You thought you were gonna get away with all these fucking lies. Of course he did, but nah no, But it's the case.

So it's also freaky to think about someone like this, like fully chose psychotherapy as avenue because of what he knew he could accomplish with it, you know what I mean. Like he never was like, oh, I want to help people with their mental health problems. I think he was like, oh, this would be a great way to control women and like get people to do what I want them to do and like be a crazy, like be a.

Psychotic a position of authority. Yeah, you know that's what good the doctor, the trust of it all.

Wait.

I know we're on this episode and we're talking about just therapists, people taking advantage of their positions of power, all of that. SV has had a few like hypnosis therapy episodes, but there's new Scott Peterson stuff, and I feel like I have to really watch it because you know, I, uh, I didn't defend him.

I know that he killed her. I just think the police work wasn't good enough.

No, I hear what you're saying, but watching this doc the doc is making me fully like just his demeanor, like the way he hawks, the way he's talking to Amber knowing his wife is missing and he's not like telling her, And like, you.

Know what's the new doc on? Is it Hulu or Netflix?

It's on Netflix, Okay, because now they're all popping up all their stuff right now, so I don't know which one's the one that everyone's talking. I think it's called American Crime, the Lacy Peterson the Murder or something like that, or Disappearance of Lycy.

I'd have to.

Watch it before next week and have my full retraction.

It's so funny because a few people have messaged us being like, ah, have you guys watched this but I watched an episode of it with my family, because you know, my family loves to get together when we're all together for our summer vacation and watch a bunch of fucking crazy true crime.

So we watched an episode of that.

Then I watched an episode at the end of my trip, just folding laundry the night before I left for the airport, and was like, I guess I'll tap back into this, And what's so crazy is like, maybe we talked about this when we originally did Scott Peterson, and I apologize if I'm repeating myself, but like we were so focused on the Amber Fry of it all, Like they were barely dating. They were dating a few a couple months or something when Lacy went missing, Like they were not dating for that long.

Like everyone was like Amber Fry.

Like when I remember the coverage of it, it was just Amberfry, like the affair, da da da dah, Like, yes, that's a huge smoking gun. Obviously, that's sallacious. But like, in my mind, I think she had something to do with it. Like when I was like young, listening to the coverage.

Jaman A.

She Monica Lewinsky exactly exactly what I was gonna say, like, it's literally the way the media framed it as this other woman. It's like she dated a nice guy that she who she thought was a nice guy that her friend set her up with, who said that his wife had passed away and he didn't want to have his own children, and that he wanted to be a father to her kid. She was that's all this woman was doing. Then she wore a fucking wire to help the police. She didn't have to do any of that in this thing.

We'll both we'll both do that for next time.

Oh and we talked about this earlier because we're talking about long legs and Nicholas Cage. But I also want to say I rewatched Renfield again and we interviewed one of the actresses from it. And remember when I met Ben Schwartz, He's like, it's a bond, like no one likes. It's not doing well. I've watched it like four times. I love it.

You love it. I love it. I really do. So I don't know. Maybe I'm a fan. Maybe I'll watch it on a plane. Oh my god.

I just read the worst fucking book for my book club, and I'm so annoyed that I spent so much time reading it.

It was so bad.

It's called The Unwedding and it's literally the log like the press line for it is like white Lotus meets Agatha Christie, and it's like, fuck you, that is not this at all. I could However, as I was reading it, I was like, this could easily be optioned and turned into a great television show with good writers. Turning this garbage garbage book into a good because like just the setup of it is like a good concept or whatever,

Like everybody, like.

Everybody hated it, but only two people finished it, Me and on other person. And that made me annoyed to like, I just why am I in a book club? Why am I rushing to finish these books when no one's reading them? But whatever, the person who recommended the book didn't finish it, and you know who it is, and it's just annoying anyway, so I will.

Anyway, the.

Person who recommended it did not finish it.

It did not get to a pivotal part of it.

I go, well, then after the disaster happened, She goes, when did that happen? I'm like, the first third of the book, Like, she did not even get close to finishing it.

That's what you get for being in a book club, you fucking nerd.

I know, I know, but I'm trying to read more and book clubs like hold me accountable because I'm like, oh, I got to finish because I don't want to be the only person at the thing that hasn't read it, And then every time I go, I'm like one of the only people per people who has read it. But send me good book, Rex, you know what I want to read All Fours by Miranda July.

Okay, I want to read that book. I don't know why you're pointing at me.

I'm pointing at you because I have some gossip noted in your brain. Okay, anyway, I thought maybe you knew who about you knew of her anyway, but that's not what I have to tell you.

Anyway.

The fucking takeaway from this episode is, don't I know your therapist knows a lot about you. I know your therapist might act like they care for you genuinely, but there needs to be a boundary between people and therapists. Don't date your therapist. Don't marry your therapists. I don't care if they're done your therapist. It's not a good idea and scene or scene wait on.

We have to move on. But we haven't seen each other in a while. Okay.

One I did go to a secret domino night and I played dominoes at like a closed down restaurant where we got to smoke weed inside my friend DJ for a little bit of it.

I won a few games. It felt incredible. I bet that was the night of your life.

It was.

And then oh, I so I'm gonna go again next month, I think, but it's once a month. But guess what, So October, I think it's going to coincide with another dream event where I am judging. I'm on the judging panel of the Simpsons Trivia costume contest William for O October. I already bought part of my costume. I'm not in the competition. Mine's gonna be kind of basic. But I get to judge, and I'm so excited. It's like Domino Nights, Simpson's judging.

I'm like, Ah, New York.

I'm a person that's planning to go to the You listen to our podcast, you got a leg up. You know what Lisa will like. She's gonna like the deep cut costumes. You got to get in there. That's my tip to you. Maybe go back listen to some of our episodes where she talks about specific Simpson's references. Quickly go back and leave through two hundred episodes of this podcast, you can figure it out.

Well.

For my birthday dinner that's happening this week, I was trying to make everyone dress like Carrie Bradshaw and then it hit me and I'm like what am I doing?

And I canceled the theme.

I said, please just wear whatever you want and everyone was so relieved.

Like so, it's like, my brother is going to Fire Island this week on Friday, and I was like, oh my god, that's so fun. And he was like yeah, but they're like making us bring all these costumes and stuff and he's like not into it. And I'm like that's the fun part. Like he's like so not into the costumes and the dressing up, and like I'm trying to get him to embrace Wait.

Should we all dress now? Because he's so boring in terms of wardrobe. I was like, should we all dress like our friends? Who's turning? But like, what are we gonna wear?

Like Swell, he's been wearing a lot of tank tops lately. I might get into a tank It's so funny.

That's what Lane said to me when I was like, you know, I'm thinking what's to get for Michael, and he said he's wearing a lot of tank tops, so I guess people have noticed from coast to coast.

Oh, Michael's been tanking lately, tanking hard. So funny.

Really, I'm about to take and seef he wants to go to the beach this weekend.

Wait, but at your brother's house. There was a moment where I went, hey, Oscar, can you bring me my hat? And both you and jured were like, he's not gonna do it, and he did. So It's amazing. Oscar doesn't do anything we ask him to do. So you have a once again, you have a power over my children and Rose both of them grabbed me things while I was in the body of water and didn't want to

Yet?

She loved the stickers you brought her when we were packing for camps. She was like, what about my stickers from Lee's. I was like, I have them.

Well, she's so mature because she used on her face like she used the shitty stickers that were just like the brand name and like the filler stickers on the sheet, and she was like, I'm saving the good stickers for later. And I'm like, oh, you're maturing already, Like you know, you got to take care of your stickers.

She does.

She knows what's a quality sticker, what's not. Let's move on to our what would this your peg do? This is our weekly segment where we point you guys towards, you know, a book, an article, something that gives you more information about what we talked about today. And today I wanted to point you to a Psychology Today article titled are You Being Gaslighted? I think I hear people a lot of times misusing gaslighting. I don't think everybody

So.

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