Class w/ Trieste Kelly Dunn

Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the vicious felonies.

These episodes are based on. These are our stories done done.

Hello, this is Thats Messed Up an SVU podcast.

And my name is Lisa. I'm the host. Duh. My name is Kara.

I'm the other host obviously. And you know what we do. We talk SVU, we talk true crime. We talked to a fabulous guest, and you know this today's episode is no different.

But we also tour. That's another thing we do. We go on tour. We do. We do this podcast live. It's very different.

It's got PowerPoint, games, audience interaction.

It's so much fun.

It's truly not just like two podcasts hosts sitting at a card table. Not that I'm shading people that do that, but that's just not.

What we do it so much for. I think if you're act ticket price.

It's if you're paying a ticket price, we like to give the people a little something extra and there and we are there with our PowerPoint and our extra I know.

It's just funny because you are talking about a specific podcast.

You went to see Live. Yeah, I am, I am. I don't you are listening.

I was annoyed I had to pay a ticket price to a podcast I don't listen to for someone's birthday. But anyway, we are coming out this fall to twenty one cities. I am so excited. We just announced Chicago last week. That was a hold out that we had to wait to announce because it's part of a festival. So your hometown girl, Liza's coming home and we love coming to Chicago. We'll be in DC, Atlanta, Charlotte, and

Baby and I have stand up dates no big deal, Wilmington, Sacramento, Portland, San Francisco, DC and on but those are through you know. Yeah, more reckout Lara's stands up that's all on her Instagram and listen. We are in a what called a sack of life. We are in a strike, double Serrus strike.

You know, you guys always you guys know, we're in the time machine as always, like this will be coming out probably two weeks into the strike, but we just as of this recording, we're kind of new into the strike. Liza and I are both members of sag UH, so we both voted for the strike. We support the strike one thousand percent, one thousand percent.

Did you watch the TikTok where it was like the law that was changed by the Justice Department in August twenty twenty. No, so back in the day, the studios would own like the movie theaters, the ticketing places. They it was like they double dipped on stuff, and so there was like a law or whatever, a thing, a restriction I don't know the legal times put on.

So it all has to be separate.

So the movie theaters have to be separate from the studios, have to be separate from the marketing, so there's no double dipping. But in technology companies that doesn't exist. It's all unilateral. It is the word that they used. I guess this is it's really embarrassing trying to summarize something that is above my brain. But basically, like Google then owns all the Google marketing, and like for tech companies, you're allowed to own everything and double dip.

And so that's what happened.

Like all of these streamers are tech companies. They are not film, you know, they're not studios and so but then they became the studios and the distributors and the market they own all of it. And in August twenty two money, while we were dealing with I don't know, an election, COVID, a racial uprising, like basically, they quickly asked the Justice Department to switch it and they did.

Yeah.

But also the big reason why they don't have to pay residuals really too, is that they don't No one knows how popular a show is on a streamer.

Like for television, we have the Nielsen ratings.

Everybody agreed a long time ago, there's the Nielsen ratings.

There.

Certain people have Nielsen boxes and that determines based on a lot of analytics and stuff that they put into it. How many people are watching something I'm sure now also social media and other factors are involved.

That tells they do know, they just don't tell that information just won't tell.

Yes, they exactly. Netflix, they have nothing but data. Netflix knows when you turn it off. Hulu knows, Oh, there's something about the credit sequence that these people don't like. They're turning it off after the opening credits, like or whatever. There's so much data they know exactly, but they don't share it because it's all about competition. So and what

Are on the news.

They're in the new There was a big article talking about how freaking' Oranges and New Black broke open the whole streaming thing, like they were the first big streaming hit.

And those girls get checks for ten dollars, like it's not crazy.

Yeah, the Gilmore Girls guy he was talking about, like, yeah, it's just the person who sells the licensing, so Universal or whatever big company, and these actors worked in the show, and that they just they're playing it over and over making so much money. And it just sucks that these

It's all about stockholders.

Like I don't understand the people that think the stockholders deserve more money than the actors or the writers, Like that's great. I don't understand poor people fighting for the rich people on social media. That's what's confusing or like anti acts, it's so wild.

Well, I mean, we like to think about acting and writing as art, but when you involve tech companies, it's about Wall Street. That's all they care about is what you're making next quarter. It's all about money. So it's like there's not the same you know, Oh, let's just make this movie because this is a movie, a story that needs to be told, even if it's not going to make a ton of money, you know what I mean. And it's like that kind of mentality is fading away.

Okay, I believe in that make money, but like to not pay the people making it. But this person online just said this might be the thing that breaks it up. Like open for everyone is because of the fame. Yeah, we love famous people, and so when it's recognizable, people are striking versus like not famous people in other industries. So yeah, hopefully this trickles into everywhere.

I don't you know.

It's just like it is like the wildest timing to be in a project that comes out the day the.

Strength rules are enacted.

Lucky, we got to do one premier party and have a great fucking night. But the timing is pretty funny for me personally, but everyone believes in it and the lead of the everyone is for this strike.

Now, this is a huge This is a huge moment for labor unions all across like the world basically. And so if you think, oh my god, this is just about snobby actors or people that have a ton of money, eighty seven percent of the people in SAG cannot even afford the health insurance. That's that don't even make enough to qualify for the health insurance, which is twenty six

Yeah, And it's like it's not just that the actors, it's hair makeup, lighting, the grips, the catering. Someone in government, local government in California was like, I mean the restaurant, like all these places that we're providing lunch and catering are losing money. Like every like there's a Teamsters. I mean, there's so many people that make projects. It's not even just the actors and writers.

It's like truly every you know, the the.

Person that's writing the schedules, like yeah, the PA's it's every it's.

Iatse and Teamsters are up for their negotiations next year. So it's like this is really setting the stage for like a lot of different things. And I really hope that I don't know these evil companies like they I feel like they have no recourse. They just give interviews where they go this is unrealistic.

Why.

I can't say why, Like they have there's they literally don't have a leg to stand on. It feels like no, but they do have all the power. That's that's they.

Just say, we don't have any money.

We don't have any money because like Paramount Plus might not be making money, but like the parent company is like parent, I think Paramount is making money, you know, Like it's just.

They asked survivor, of course they are. But no, it's like these dudes have fucking yachts. They were all at a billionaire summit while he was one of them, was making all those quotes like yeah, and one of my friends, Juliet, she brought up, she's like one of them, Like he only makes twenty five million a year, so he probably thinks he's not that rich because their brains are broken

Yeah, Ted Sirrando's Ted Sarandos of Netflix makes twenty million base but like fifty million when you get his bonuses and his stock options and all.

The shit of the thing is, why would he get bonuses but not the people that made it?

I don't.

I just want to get into their brains, like I don't understand it, But what is their what is their reasoning.

To think that?

I mean it's like they don't respect labor obviously, but like I just don't under the math. Ain't math in? Like how is? How are stockholders have nothing to do with it? Like how do they? How do they do the mental gymnastics in their head? Like fuck, this show's a giant hit. Let's give bonuses to someone who had nothing to do, Like I don't understand.

I don't.

I mean, I think in his mind he's probably like, well, I'm part of a huge team and we green lit the project and developed it and marketed it and we were a huge part of why it's successful.

And also we have no money. We are actually really broken. We're in the red.

You know, it's all it is mental gymnastics, Like it's bullshit because I just think about some of these shows that I'm like obsessed with and mam and I watch over and over and over again.

I mean, I've there's a cartoon I love on that I watch to go to bed almost every single night. Like those people that created that show and are doing the voice like drawing, they how are they not making money?

I saw what are the creators? What are the creators of that show?

Was at my house the other night, and they told me what, Yeah, well you know who I'm talking about?

Yes, but I don't. You didn't tell me that they were at your house.

Oh yeah, yeah, actually Labor Union Power Couple, if you know who we're talking about.

I don't know. I heart that show up. I know Lisa does.

And she was telling me that she's an animation and she only does union stuff, and that must be really difficult because animation is so non union, but they need to change too, Like it's crazy.

And also what I don't get how did the directors settle so fast? It's like that hurts a fuck you too.

A friend of mine who's in the WGA and pretty active in the picketing and stuff, told me that she heard that they regret it now, Like I think that they don't realize that they could. I don't think they thought the actors were going to go and now they don't realize they're not part of this like massive like movement, which they could have been a really helpful part of.

But well they they could have just joined the writers. It's pretty embarrassing that the directors like truly just got what they wanted and said fuck you to everyone, because guess what, you're not working now either.

Right right. I just hope it ends quickly.

We wanted to just give like a quick disclaimer about the podcast, like our podcast is not affected by the strike, but we do have guests that we have a few more guests lefts because you know that we pre tape our guests and so we have a few more guests left who taped before we ever there was ever a strike. We're going to release those episodes, and then after that we're going to release a few episodes with some surprises maybe, you know, so just stay tuned. Yeah, but just so

Now?

I'm even doubly pissed about this strike. Now I have to check my email fucking find locations.

Yeah, I know I can't set you right, I'll text it to you. I have it.

I have it because you know, I got to hit the fucking pickets.

Yeah, you gotta see who We got to see who's out there?

Please you and I are the biggest, like like have binoculars for the celebs, you know.

I want I want recon jobs though, I want them to send me off to do like wild shit, like sneaking, like I just want to choke out a CEO. Don't cut that Caasy's fight threat.

I think the exciting stuff at the beginning was that people were stopping productions, like they were shutting down productions, like they couldn't the teamsters couldn't get in the iatz, like the crew couldn't get in, So they were stopping productions. And it was like, yeah, we shut down the season finale of Evil or whatever. But now everything's pretty much shut down. So I think we just to send Lisa to choke out CEOs.

Why don't you just.

Hang out at like Catch, like a restaurant, like a fancy restaurant.

Oh, you know, it wouldn't with like a blow dart.

You didn't watch The Real Housewives of New York New season didn't, not yet, not yet, but I know that there's a reference. Oh Catch is like they're basically like I wouldn't be caught dead at Catch. It's not two thousand and six. I'm not a Dalist Mott like they hate Catch. And it's like, clearly we're going to catch, Like.

Yeah, well there's one in La.

There's one in La and it's and everybody says it's very beautiful. And my husband used to work for a late night talk show and the host loved that place and used to do things there all the time. My aunt I believe is a small investor in catch. So I've been dying to go, never been, but we'll go.

And then one of the housewives, one of the housewives was like, I mean i'd bring tourists visiting from Florida and legit our friend and her boyfriend from Florida were they're two weeks ago. Yeah, so she was like, that.

Tracks so funny.

Well, we've already got the light and the lights were.

A serious intro.

Join us next week, you know, hopefully you will all our all our peace for more fun updates. I saw Broadway shows, I was in New York. You know, there's things to share. So yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna get it now. Now it's just strike.

Union.

Okay, guys, check out our tour dates. That's mess up live dot com. And and I'll enjoy our gorgeous episode. That is a full on classic. Oh key dope, we are doing Class today, Season seven, episode seventeen. How am I the only one who keeps thinking got no class? No from Chicago? Oh I don't whatever happened to class? Oh?

Yeah, what ever happened to class? Yes, that's a good one.

Actually, what I was singing in my head as I was pressing snooze on my alarm, and I think it was my subconscious brain going, we gotta do class. Get up, Get up, ty, get up. Class that works too, say by the bell, the new class. I mean, there's a lot of things. I this is a good one. This is a I remember this one from Days of Yours from two thousand and six.

We open on a car pulling up slowly.

Next to a sex worker, like so many beautiful episodes of SPU begin, and I immediately recognized this sex worker as Tika Sumpter. I know her originally from Gossip Girl, but she's in all the ride along movies, the Sonic, the Hedgehog movies with your best friend Ben Schwartz. And but a big thing she's in is the Have and the have nots.

Well guess smiler Paris.

So Casey seems shocked by this Ben Schwartz thing.

I ran into him on another flight.

And he is still the nicest celebrity in the world. He waited for me at the gate and we walked the whole JFK terminal chatting, and when I was saying bye, he gave me a hot and I go, you're so nice.

This is crazy. He goes, oh, what you know, what's up?

And I go, I go, you're so nice, Like I thought when you saw me you would.

Be like, oh, not this bitch again. She's gonna want to talk and he was like no, not at all, and I'm like, who are you? And then everyone I've told this story about how nice he is, they're like, he's so fucking hot and I'm like, yeah, I guess he's hot, nice and talented. Anyways, that was an aside casey how wild running him on two planes that we're plain friends.

Now those are plane buddies. We're back to the sex worker obviously, yes.

And this was Tika Sumter's first acting gig according to her IMDb, so kind of exciting. Her name is Vegas, and she's talking to this dude who's like very nervous. He obviously hasn't picked someone up before. And she goes, listen, whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, and in context, I love that.

I love that. It's a good line.

They hear a noise and Vegas is like, oh fuck no, that better not be somebody, As she says, some bitch work in my stroll. So she starts heading towards this alley, like she's truly in like a bikini and a fur coat. She's like strutting towards the alley, tits a jiggling. This guy runs out, gets into a jeep and speeds off, and she's like, that's right, you better run, Like it's like just no fear. She looks down to the sidewalk gray and sees a blonde girl wrapped in a blanket,

So there's a comic next to me, and then you know, our friend Anthony DeVito's sitting with us, and so this other friend I go, wow, you look good, you look good, and he goes thanks, and he goes, ugh, I just got dumped by this stripper. And I go, why is that worse than being dumped by anybody else? I can't believe you're so anti sex worker? And then Anthony DeVito starts laughing. He's like, I've never seen someone get into a fight so fast.

He's like, He's like, it turned in one moment from you look good to how dare you?

One wrong move, one wrong move, Lisa's gonna get you.

And then this guy's like I dated her. But I was like, yeah, but you didn't say I got dumped by my girlfriend. You may have point you I got dumped by the right shipper.

Yeah.

No one ever sits down and goes, oh, I got dumped by a financial analyst. You know, you just say I got dumped by my boyfriend. So Vegas doesn't recognize. Unfortunately, that's all we get from Vegas. She doesn't recognize the girl, but there have been a lot of newcomers working that area lately. There was no purse or id found on the victim. When we get to the body, Melinda's already there,

I know her voice before I even see her.

And she's like, found the purse, and in the purse we've got lipstick, perfume, breath, mint, condoms, no license, but a college id from where the fuck else?

Hudson University.

Now, the character's name is Caroline Pereira, but her id is missing in r and just says Caroline perea So just a fuck up from the prop department.

Come on, guys, let's get it together.

I know it's two thousand and six and a lot's going on, but you know, the twenty four hour news cycle and Britney Spears and Paris Hulton and all that but like, let's get the names right. So they also find her phone. There's a blurry picture on it from right around the time of her death. You can't like see if it's a person, but there's like a like an orb of light in it, and so they're like, oh my god, did she get a picture of her attacker? Boom credits. So now we're with an other Pod buddy,

Yeah, it is wild, Like in five years, will we just be like they've been on the pod and a friend of the pod and another friend of the pod.

Yeah, I hope.

So that's all we'll have. We'll have had everybody. Anyone will be a friend of ours. So now we're with pod buddy Joel de Lafuente aka Ruben morale Is aka Taru and Stablers like can you enhance it? And we all know enhancing is like not real, like they did it on Adam ruins everything, Like the shit they the trope of police procedurals that you can just like click a button and all the pixels go away and it's

Oh okay, it just didn't like, yeah, like jobs.

And my school people had work study jobs all over the place. It just wasn't that like it wasn't washing dishes, but it was like doing like a lot of other things. But so you had so students weren't working in the cafeterias. No, No, that was like fully staff like there was like employees of a company because they were a separate company, like you didn't work for the school, like they worked for a company called like Marriott. And I because I remember I had a jacket that said Marmott and one of

I you're such an asshole you don't remember her name from twenty years ago.

I know.

But like we loved her, like we always said hi to her. She was so nice and like we gave her like this big like I think we just, like our whole class like put together money for her at the end of the year because we were like, she rules.

I wonder if the other employees are like damn, I know, they're probably like fuck that.

There was also a guy behind the grill that everybody really loved, who made the chopped chicken and cheese for everybody.

Anyway, my favorite was weekends. We had an omelet bar.

I don't want to brag, but we had an omelet bar all the time. I just love an omelet bar.

Yeah.

Or where when we play in San Diego that hotel has an omelet bar.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember we go outside and.

Have an omelet Yeah.

I like that because I don't think I would order an omelet, but if I see a station, I'm running.

Yeah, because like because there's never like I mean, so I guess sometimes there is on the menu, it's never the exact omelet you want. And then at the omelet bar, it's your world. But back to this story. They the woman that they're talking to is the burser at this college, and she's like, they don't have to work at the school as long as the bill gets paid and Caroline payter bills. And she did it in cash, baby, And they're like, you don't care how a twenty year old

So our friend Julia, when I met her, she was working at like the student affairs office at the college I went to, Yeah, so that's how we kind of met. But because I was just paying my tuition with checks, she thought I was like, you know, and it's the north Shore.

She just thought I was like a rich, spoiled north Shore girl.

And then cut to us becoming friends and her meeting my senior citizens Soviet parents and she was like, this is not what I expected with you just paying tuition. I was like, no, I ruined my parents' life, like I am a spoiled brat and they needed me to graduate. But they did pay for college, which is incredible, and I apologize to them all the time. I'm like, I'm so sorry. I could have gone to any old school.

You're going to get them back. Didn't you bought your dad a Faberge egg. I think you guys are even.

I think an apology is worth a lot to them.

But it was funny, she said before we got to be friends that she just thought I was like the richest girl in school paying tuition.

That's so funny because did you have your like little blonde highlights and you were like o'ous fresh from a White Sox game.

I love that.

Okay, I have well, But the thing is I didn't have a north Face fleece. I had a Columbia fleece. And that means you're poor where I come. Well, yeah, I hear what you're saying. Yes, I hear what you're saying.

You know what, I always think of as rich people because I have a few rich friends, people that like read and this actually is you too, Lisa, So maybe like I'm maybe I'm this is my friends that are rich, like would always just reach into their bags and there would be cash, just like cash floating around, and I'm like, my cash is in my wallet like lined up, I know exactly how much is there?

Lisa just.

She just flashed to the camera a lot of f random money. But that's different for you because you get paid in cash a lot from from stand up, Like my rich friends would just like reach into a bag like a toad and it would be like an expensive skin cream and then just like twenties and fives just like everywhere, and I'd be like, wow, you just have money in there, like it's a wadded up tissue.

And you know what's even sexier is paying in cash. Nothing like putting a few hundreds down at dinner.

Oh my god.

I mean that's that's like one of the best parts of New York is getting spot pay and it's cash and you just are like, is this even real?

It feels like monopoly And I.

Don't know, Yeah, it's nice because you kind of have your balance in your head and like when you spend money like on cards or like Venmo you like your balance goes down when it's cash, it's like, oh, I'm just floating. I'm just still where I want, you know, Like it's like cash is just carrying you through. I never have cash on me, and it's like I'm getting it for something I would probably do for free.

I know I would. I did it for years.

Yeah, so just to get this cash always feels feels nice.

Nice.

But yeah, Well the Bling Ring documentary about those girls, like that group, they said when they went into Paris Hilton's house and were like going through her purses, it was just hundreds and hundreds of extra cash in all these purses, just in pans that you like the way that you find a fiver and you're like, yay, cool, this is gonna be a good day.

She said, oh my god. Yeah, yeah, that's we're okay. All right.

Well, speaking of speaking of a richie rich people, this Burster tells the cops that Caroline Perrera has a roommate named Gloria Colhane. So now we go visit Gloria and she is classic college bitch, Like she's wearing kind of like a matching like it looks like it would be a juicy cature sweatsuit and like baby pink, but it's like it doesn't have like a like a juicy on the late, like it's probably even more like a super expensive label. And she's like Caroline, she has just has

And fashion is so of this era.

It is her face, her makeup, her hair, everything about her is perfect rich these this is a rich girl.

You're right, yeah, yeah, this girl's got twenties and fifties fucking floating around her bag. And she's like Caroline and I never hung out. We run in different circles. And it's like what a way to say she's trash and I'm you're up. She's basically like I'm up here, Bethany, and you're down here. Vinn compliments a big ass ring on Gloria's finger and then she's like thanks, and it's kind of weird. It's like on her pointer and it's

But I guess we'd.

All but I think some parents want their kids to have a real experience, because I remember Madonna's daughter went to like you, University of Michigan or something, and I think she was just in the dorms, like trying to be normal or I'm ring folly. Yeah, no, that could be true, but like Michigan would be a good place to be in the dorms. It's like there's like a city, Like you're in New York City and you're rich. Like people at NYU only stay in the dorms for like

She's like, I like the girl.

Gloria goes, I doubt it came from your parents, like they're poor, Ill. And they find a picture of Caroline and some dude and are like, oh, is this her boyfriend? And Gloria's like, no, that's her best friend. They just went to high school together and he also goes to Hudson. So now we're walking and talking to Adam, the guy from the picture, and he's really broken up about Caroline dying.

They've been friends since childhood.

This actor is named will Estes, like the name is familiar. He has like such a forgettable face, like I cannot memorize it, Like from scene to scene, I'm like, who is that? Like I have like prosopagnosia with this man, which is face blindness, what Brad Pitt has. I think you can take a drink because that's a wild word. He just said, Oh gus. I tried to do a joke about it for a long time, like Brad Pitt

But I think it's meeting a lot of people. I think, if you because I'm I used to be so good at remembering everybody, right, And I think with our line of work and like traveling and show you, we do meet so many people that I've gotten worse at it. I have, Yeah, And it's also so famous famous.

No at our meet and green, I'm always like, you came to the show last time, right, And like half the time I'm right, and half the time they're like no first time, Like I think I know people, but you know, also some people just have those faces anyway.

I just never understood.

But that's why it's more impressive when you hear about the Bill Clinton's the Tom Hanks when they remember everybody everybody, Yeah, for decades, Like yeah, that truly is impressive because the amount of people Brad Pitt meets and what an effect he has on them. I can't imagine. I would say a million people a year. Yeah, maybe that's well.

This guy will stays.

I don't know if he meets as many people, but he is a regular on Blue Bloods. He's been on like two hundred plus episodes of Blue blood So if your mom's listening to the podcast, she probably knows who this guy is. I just hear blue Bloods is a parent show. Anyway, they ask him about the money, and he says, well, Caroline said she had a new job. And they tell him, well, we found her in an area known for sex work and he's like, no way, she would never And he says he has no idea

Boom, Okay, that never happened.

When I went to college, Like people either just like cheated offline or whatever, you just like didn't buy a paper from someone else. But now talking to doctor Feruke, who is I mean now with chat GPT, like I feel like professors are fucked, Like kids are just going to totally have everything written by a robot. But now we're talking to doctor Feruke, who's explaining that plagiarism is

It's like so funny to me.

She goes, the internet has only made it easier to buy and sell academic work.

I mean, doctor Feruke.

Is not psyched about chat GPT if she's still working today. She shows them this program that she has that like you know, probably borrows from AI, where she scans the papers and can find unoriginal material and patterns to find out who's plagiarizing. So she shows them like, see, these three students are an example, and they've all cheated, but none of them wrote the original paper, and I just have to find out who did, and I'll expel all

Is that a crime?

And they're going through a bunch of different interviews here, you know, they're doing that thing or they cut to different people. So now we cut to this douchebag taking a break from playing squash, and I don't want to brag, but my alma mater, Trinity College, was the number one squash school for.

A really long time. That was like our claim to fame. It was like Trinity versus Stanford for best in squash. So crazy.

I don't even really fully understand how you play squash, but you hit a ball against a wall. So he explains that you just emailed Caroline your assignment what you needed. She'd send you back two options. You pay for the one you like. And he's like, you just paid to a pay me pronto dot com account, which that sounds

I was going to bribe her.

I offered her one thousand dollars to keep quiet, and she laughed in his face and started waving that huge diamond ring around and said it would take a lot more than a g to keep her ass quiet, and Finn's like, sounds like the ring Gloria was wearing, but bah bah bah making connections, and the guy's like, oh, Gloria's bought papers off Caroline. She's bought more papers than anyone off Caroline, and she was freaking out about the investigation. So now uh, back to go talk to bitchy micmitch face.

So there's some professors droning on.

Gloria looks bored as fucked, and then the cops just walk up to her and are like we need to talk, and she's like, I'm not going anywhere. She is just like really fun to watch, like she has no fear of cops or authority. She's like, what bye, I'm busy like and stables. She's rich, Yeah, exactly, she's privilege. It's full privilege. And that's like why the episode's called class. I feel like it's a double entendre this class college and there's class like the different classes of all these kids.

You want that?

And she's like, oh bye, big eye. Roll goes with them, and Finn goes to the rest of the class, sorry for interrupting. Stay in school. Amazing. I love a Finn telling everyone to stay in school. And so that's the end of act one, is taking this little bitch out of her college class. So now at the top of back two, Gloria is an interrogation like this is crazy. I would never kill anyone. The ring was just sitting on Caroline's dresser, so I borrowed it, Like what do

And they like it was like the one.

All girl group that was like all gorgeous girls, like Rachel Platten was in this acappella group. The pop star. I mean, she's kind of a pop star. She was in Taylor's gang for like five seconds, but she was in this one at my college, so of course she does a cappella. She says, I didn't like Caroline, but I had no reason to kill her. And they're like, well, you were about to get expelled with this cheating scandal,

See what I mean.

A girl with a wing named after her at the college is not going to be in a dorm room with a stranger. Like she's going to call the school and go give me my own like double and I'll live in it by myself that her parents will. I mean, so if Caroline talked and you got kicked out of school, that would really fuck up your future. And she's like,

That's painful. Ah fa, that is meant for you.

That sentence is meant for you, and this sentence is meant for me, Like put it on a T shirt for me.

I love that.

Like, wait, have I seen the video where it's like Sarah Paul Sin take Nataro, all these people in a party bus going to the Indigo Girls concert or like home from It all sing and they're all singing a song.

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're all singing like Galileo or something. I love the Indigo Girls and I see if I try like five times. I'm a big Indigo Girls fan. I watched them live during the pandemic and was like crying because I was like, what's happening to the world, Like I love the Indigo Girls and I love that. Finn's like, fuck the Indigo Girls. So Stabler goes, well, listen, we might need to talk to you again, so don't hop on any flights to France, and she goes, mmm.

Yeah, I wasn't surprised that thing got stolen.

I told him it was dumbed to buy a ring that costs more than our first home. And so back to Stabler and Roddy and he's like, oh, okay, so she must have been the one who found my lost ring.

Give me your name. I'll send her a reward.

So Stabler goes make it out to Caroline Pereira in Care of the Afterlife. He never stops work, shopping jokes. Stabler tells him that she was murdered and that the ring is evidence in a homicide. You'll have to wait till we find the killer. Outside, Stabler talks to Finn and we can tell we're outside like a mansion. We

She's a player.

On the tape, they see Roddy betting his ring because he had a great hand, but then Caroline beats him with an even better hand and then she puts the ring on, and in the video she's in his face being like Nana, Nana, Nana, I got your ring, like she's super taunting him and he looks pissed. So they show up in the locker room now to talk to Roddy. He's got one of those leather jackets on that has like big fur trim and he's like telling all his

I could get suspended.

So he is nervous and they're like, okay, well a murder charge will also be bad. And he's like, no, no, no, I did not kill this bitch. And he goes, but I know who did, so he tells them it's got to be this guy who runs the underground poker game. Roddy was like, I tried to buy the ring back from Caroline, but she said I had to win it back, so I invited her to a private game in New York City.

But she was a ringer. She was beating everyone.

She became a regular, and he eventually figured that he would get his ring back at some point, so like whatever. A couple nights ago, she had a streak of really bad luck and owed the house one hundred and fifty k, and the guy that runs the game said she had twenty four hours to pay the money back or else.

I don't really know.

If bookies like kill people, like we did another episode about this where they were like dead men don't pay their debts. Like you could kill someone, but you don't get your one hundred and fifty k back, so it's better to just like terrorize them and like threaten their family and stuff until they come up with the money, you know. But that's just what I've learned from SVU. I obviously am not a in a professional gambling ring, though I could. I'm really addicted to gambling. This guy,

You can't really tell because he has no facial hairy.

He just looks so different, like he's kind of a man who without a mustache. It's like a different face. And he's like, what the hell's going on here? This is a friendly social gathering. Nothing's going on on and they go, yeah, friends don't steal friends life savings, and that's Finn says that as he's cuffing Riley out in the alley, Stabler notices check this out. There's a wall covered in red paint like what was on Caroline's hands and under her nails when they found her body. So

I don't know.

I thought the Secret Service was just to protect politicians and the president and his family and stuff.

So I'm confused about that.

But then I think Finn goes of all the gin joints in this city. We had to walk into yours, which is a twist on a quote from Casablanca. And you've got to give it to Finn. Indigo girls, Casablanca. He's got all the cultural references and.

A big Finn episode.

Yeah, stay in school, Indigo girls. You know, he assures them, Doug Curson is not your killer, Like he'll brief you guys, but we got to keep his cover because like this is a you know, it's always like this is a three year operation. You can't blow it. So they do this whole charade where like they lead him out of the precinct and they're talking shit to each other walking him to the elevator, and then right before the doors closed, he goes ATREUM fifty six and fifth, nine am tomorrow.

You know, I've been falling asleep test for you again, and you know what sucks when you follow asleep to a Benson and then you wake up and it's Danny Beck's voice and you're like, get the fuck out of my life.

We have to decide if we actually want to get that woman on the podcast. We talked so much shit, but.

I mean we can ask her like, do you know people hate your character? And how do you feel about that? I know she must have an inkling.

Yeah.

At the precincts. Suddenly Olivia's back from a doctor's appointment. I guess she's pregnant. This season, she's been going the whole episode since the very beginning. Now she's back, and she's got a little download on Adam's life. She's like, he doesn't come from much. He's from the same like Lagrange, whatever, we don't know what state that is, from working class parents, no rap sheet. Olivia is like, why do you ask me to dig up the SOB story on the sky?

Needs his help.

So he goes in to talk to Adam and he says, I can tell when a good kid gets pulled into a bad thing. And he says, Caroline and I were bff's for life. They just wanted to get the hell out of Lagrange. And he said when they got to Hudson. It was more bullshit. They were just poor kids from the boonies there washing dishes, serving meals. Caroline couldn't take it. She started selling term papers and that's when they started

Caroline paid her tuition.

Adam said he used the money for the good life clubs, restaurants, concerts, hanging with the rich kids. He's like, I wasn't invisible anymore. It was like I had a whole new life. And then he says, and then it was like Caroline screwed it up. And he's like, I told her to take things slow, not to be greedy. She wouldn't listen to me. He was going to lose everything. She dug them in a hole so deep I knew we would never get out. And he just did not want to go back to

You get it. I don't think I knew that.

I don't think I remember Casey coming from like hard, hard beginnings or whatever. And Casey's like, yeah, I waited tables in law school and I serve my classmates. It sucked, but I didn't kill anyone. And at least make sure he gets a good public defender, he says, and she goes, I'll make a call. So now we're in court and the guy who walks in to represent Adam is an actor named Joey Slotnik. I don't know if you know him,

That you just remember.

And he was also a regular series regular on The Single Guy with our friend of the Pad Jonathan Silverman. So I saw that he's like he's on the cover of the show poster and he's playing a lawyer named Walter Camp clearly pricey because Casey is shocked to see him, and he's like, oh, I'm doing this case pro bono.

Two percent, not even that much, is it? Two percent?

Well, I guess two percent of this country is like two million people.

Spread across the whole country.

Yeah, the chances of someone on the jerky, I just don't think it's that big of a number.

But then, like a main character on this show is a gambling addict. A few seasons later, like you know, so I.

Guess his thing is like you got me, Yeah, I mean his thing is like if one person even knows a gambling addict, like you know, they'll hear my witnesses and you'll lose.

So let's just plead him down, and Casey's with you.

Casey's like, fuck that, there probably won't be Like don't I've got this guy dead to right, so forget it. First up on the stand now we're in court, is a member of the Hudson University Card Club, and he's this dork. He only places small bets and Adam wanted

They have deep pockets, let's sue them.

The kid on the stand tells them how one time Adam lost a bunch of hands and went full Teresa Judae I flipped the table.

They had to call security.

Apparently that witness is makes a big impression on the jury, because Walter goes to Casey, you should have taken the plea and Casey's like, no, he wasn't high when he killed her.

He was fully in control.

And Walter is like, you obviously don't get gambling addiction, and then he opens up about his own story. He goes, I lost thirty thousand dollars in one night playing poker. I tried to recoup the next night and I lost forty thousand more. My wife jammed my laptop down the garbage chute and made me get counseling, but I kept playing. What finally got him to stop was that Loan Sharks broke his leg. And he's like and Casey's like, okay, sure, but you didn't kill your wife to pay the loan

What's your connection?

And Stabler now takes us down memory lane where He's like, I was nineteen working at my uncle's bar. These two rich punks jumped me. They had spit in my face earlier because I wouldn't serve them. They had no ID, and he busted one of the kids over their head with a glass bottle and he almost died. I'm like, from a glass bottle? Okay, how agro did you get? Stabler?

So now in trial, Casey's.

Questioning Adam, and you know, I forgot who it was because I can't remember this guy's face. But it's Adam, he says. The night that she died, Caroline called him and told him about one hundred and fifty K and that she was gonna tell Riley. He owed, half like Caroline, sounds like not to speak ill of the dead, but like you got in one hundred and fifty K playing you taunted a football player.

Why are you bringing this poor kid down? And he goes.

They started arguing. She pushed him, He pushed her back against the wall.

She fell.

She tried to get back up, and he just kept pushing her down. She screamed, and he's like, I had to shut her up. So I put my hands around her neck, and he said his head was spinning. He was squeezing tighter and tighter. There was a bright flash. I must have strangled her. It was all a haze.

It was an accident.

She's kind of playing the whole I saw red, I blacked out defense that we've seen a ton of different defendants do on this show. Before Stabler passes Casey a note, and Casey asks Adam about the rings she was wearing when he killed her, and he says, yeah, she was wearing it, the diamond ring, and Casey goes, what's your relationship to Caroline's roommate, Gloria Calhane and he hesitates, but

And she goes, he earned it.

He took me out, treated me like a queen that I am, and I live a certain lifestyle. If he wanted to have me, he had to give me what I needed. Casey goes by whatever means necessary, and Gloria gives this like really great, amazing, bitchy like whatever. It's like straight out of Clueless. But they they're like, Caroline bankrupted this poor kid. Did you tell him that you'd stay with him if he was poor? Or did you tell him to go kill Caroline? She goes, I'm sure

She right there when it happened.

Or did she just say be a doll and go kill this girl so that you can still be afford to be my boyfriend. Or was she just like, bitch, if you don't have money, I'm out and that's what prompted him, Like who knows? Casey gets a light bulb and goes, he's not addicted to gambling, He's addicted to you. She goes, is that so hard to imagine? And then she goes, Adam made his own mistakes and he was enraged.

And Adam goes, I love you, don't do this.

Petrofsky's had enough. She's like, one more outburst and I will kick your ass out. And Gloria said that Adam said if Caroline couldn't keep her mouth shut, he'd shut it for her, and it sounded like his mind.

Was made up.

Cut to the verdict, obviously guilty, Gloria's testimony was very damning. As he's leaving, he turns to Gloria and he's like, how good you do this to me? And she's like putting on her pea coat. She goes, you did this to yourself, like she is fucking I was thinking to myself, Ice Queen. And then just then Casey goes, that was cold. And then Stabler goes, They're like you had a hand in this, and she's like, my hands are clean. And then Stabler arrests her for stealing the ring, a classy

She's going to get.

Off on probation at most, Like she's not is she a day of jail time?

She can be like he gave me the ring, Like what does that have to do with that?

Like, I mean, I guess her testimony proves that she knew that it came from a person that was killed. But still like, like it's she's not going to see jail. This girl like her parents own a hospital or like have donated hospitals and wings of colleges.

That just doesn't happen to those.

You have to be an actual like murderer to see I think even a tiny bit of justice and even then not really anyway, that's that kind of a crazy episode that I always remember from its original time.

And I can't wait.

I know nothing about these real cases that you research, so I'm very excited to hear about them.

Fantastic. Listen to our ads, babies. We'll see you in a second. Okay, so there's a baby crime in a big crime, so split into two, and this one's kind of fun. I would say it's the Elizabeth Page LORI cheating scandal, and like I said, it's fun. This is a USC scandal before the rowing Aunt Becky Laughlin situation, and it involves a Walmart heiress. So that's exciting though, But why do all these rich girls need to go to USC? Like, I don't understand why it's like the

So I will say my co yearbook editor went to USC, but I think she like it is a good school, but I think she just wanted to get the fuck out of the East.

Coast, so she just like went out there.

I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Californians, but I feel like UCLA is better, But I don't know, don't I don't know. In my mind, UCLA is a more competitive school to get into the USC, but I could be totally wrong. I never understood why Aunt Becky did all that shit because like they're actually I don't know, it just doesn't seem like it's that hard to get into USC.

But anyway, maybe I don't think I would be able to get in, So no shade.

If people got in and they're smart, like I would, I don't think i'd gotten into USC.

But I just like a Walmart Heiress, I got yeah.

Like I would see you bribing to get into Yale get into Harvard, like I don't know, I don't I the bribes were like, it's but maybe USC, honestly, when you look at the stats is just as hard to get into.

Who knows.

Because it's a California school, it could be a lot of people. We're a more populous state. Maybe more people are applying. Who fucking knows. Don't come for me.

USC grads Trojans go Trojans.

Now it's cool, and I like that it's near our neighborhood and stuff like it's not far from us.

But I just I was just shocked. You know, all my doctors are there. I go to all my doctors at USC. Love USC.

So yeah, this Walmart, you know, Heiress Elizabeth page Lory she returned she had to return her degree.

Wow.

Yeah, After it came out that she paid a fellow college student twenty thousand dollars to do her homework so amazing.

Wow.

Elena Martinez was her freshman year roommate and told twenty twenty that she had written term papers and done assignments for the heiress for three and a half years. Martinez said that she joined the ROTC to earn money for college, but still had to drop out because she couldn't afford tuition at USC. But then she was able to learn a lot by doing this rich girl's homework. So even though she wasn't enrolled in university anymore, she got to learn by.

Doing like this rich kid's work.

Wow.

But in rich girl news, there was a stadium named after her at the University of Missouri that her billionaire parents named after her after donating twenty five million dollars towards the construction of this stadium in Missouri. But also, like Page sports arena sounds insane, like I don't know, yeah, I.

Don't know anybody Page. It's like named after a girl from Summerhouse.

Yeah, And the New York Post called Elizabeth Page Lorie a discount store dunce and a disgraced dumbbell. So that's all that's quick, Like I told you a baby, little a little bit, you know, that like.

The Walmart family too, Like somebody one of them killed someone in a car accident and they got out of it, like the Walmart family.

Listen, I have a book that as Walmart Ruined America. I did read it in my early twenties, and it did you know, I was annoying, I think when after I read it, I had a lot of opinions. But yeah, like Walmart employees are the number one users of like social services from the government and well there and food stamps and all this stuff because they refused to pay people, refused to give insurance like.

A living wage.

They're like a brick and mortar Amazon, like they make companies sell at the cheapest ray and then put all these other businesses out of business, you know, like, yeah, Walmart's the original Amazon.

Yeah.

So, but I think, oh no, there's one good Disney rich girl. I feel like one of the heiresses of Disney is like money is evil and I hate all my siblings.

So yeah, okay. I also want to say one quick thing is like, now, now you're on us. I knew this was gonna turn you knew.

I was doing this right, Okay, I knew you would be tortured yes.

Yeah, I'm tortured.

I'm on US News and World Report, which I think is a little bit bullshit because I think a lot of these colleges pay for their rankings on this but actually, like USC is number twenty five, and it's right under Michigan, which I consider to be an amazing school. And also but then it's also under NYU, which I think of NYU as a great school, but not necessarily not the smartest kids from my school did not go to n YU. Like it was kids that wanted to do arts and

I'm judging ALA's friends, I think, who actually listens to the pod?

What's up? Girls. She's going to Wake Forest. That's where my brother David went. Oh my god, wow. Yeah. Yeah.

David really love Awake. He really loved it's beautiful down there. I went to the graduation and I saw Biden speak. Actually Biden spoke at two of my brother's graduations Georgetown as an outsider, like seems very fancy, it is, you know. I wanted to go to Georgetown and I got I applied because my other friend Kara got in and was like, just apply.

It would be so fun to go together.

And I was like, I'm never going to get in, and then I didn't, but I applied and I went there on the tour and they go, raise your hand if you're from the Northeast, and like almost all of us raised our hands and they were like, that's going to be really bad for you guys.

That's what they said to us, Like before we went out on the tour.

They were just like most of you, like all apply from the Northeast and like we're just not going to take like as many kids from that area because we want diversity, which makes sense, but it's it's hard to get into Georgetown.

And I just said I would have to be diverse anymore. Oh, but I was right.

Though, Berkeley and UCLA are above USC on this list, they're nineteen and twenty or no, they're tied for twenty.

Okay, so this is pretty sad. The Jennifer Cave case. So Jennifer was the twenty one year old who moved from Corpus Christie to Austin, Texas, and she, you know, struggled with drugs and really battled with her addiction.

So that is true.

And then Bill Bishop, the prosecutor in this case, said, I've never heard anyone say anything but that she was one of the nicest people they knew. So she was nice and she loved to party. Colton Patoniac, he was twenty two at the time and was her friend and

On the night of August sixteenth, two thousand and five, she was super excited about her new job at an Austin law firm. It was it started out as a one day filing job, but then the firm liked her so much that they offered her a full time position

We've been there together with Kara.

Yes, I've gotten a tattoo on Sixth Street at two in the morning, and I would not recommend, not recommend. Her friend Michael said that he got a call from Jennifer at twelveh eight in the morning of August I nothing is worse to me than like something am being the morning of the other day and not the night of that day. Like I know, people have missed flights because of that ar.

Miss Jared was supposed to do the gathering of the Juggalos and we fucked up because this show was at midnight, and we fucked up the day and the flights and he missed it.

But honestly, kind of a blessing.

No, the Juggalos, I hear, are you know they supportive family? No, they like they're the kids who get bullied. They're known as like a real family. Like there's documentaries. There's a movie called Family with Taylor Shilling actually in it that I saw wildly at like a festival years ago. But like Colts, the wrestler, Colt Commandad does juggalo shit and they like.

Take care of each other. I'm sure they love cold.

I just wasn't sure that they were gonna like love the comic stylings of Jared Logan, and I was nervous they were gonna like throw Fago cans at him.

We should do a Fago taste test and tape that because I've never had Fago me neither or Jerrito's.

Maybe that's the content. Let's make some content. Oh my god, Okay, let's do it.

We're getting a YouTube channel, guys, and we're gonna taste sodas we've never tasted before. We're gonna take over the internet. Okay. So, and we next to Gelko's soda shops. So, oh my god, we should see some crazy shit. We could go clearly Canadian take it back to the nineties. Yeah, okay, so her friend Mike, like I said, okay, So at twelve oh eight, midnight. Oh eight in the morning. No, it's nighttime, bitch, it's still midnight.

Yeah.

But August seventeenth, two thousand and five, and Michael said, she did not seem afraid or anxious, and she's like, I'll call you back. And then an hour later he spoke to her again and she told him that Colton was angry and drunk and she yelled at him while he pissed on a car. So the next afternoon, Jennifer's mother, Sharon Cave, got a call from her new employer around three PM, who let her know that she never showed

Don't bother me anymore. Quit calling me.

And that's according to CBS News, and it's like that's her front, Like what that's yeah, so said up and cold.

Yeah.

So at one point the mom had Michael on her office phone and Colton on another phone, and Michael could call out Colton's lies. So after he denied knowing anything or seeing her, like not seeing her, and Michael was like, that's not true.

I talked to her like she saw Colton last night. She just knew something was wrong.

So she drove from Corpus Christie to Austin and tried getting into Colton's apartment. And then they also saw Jennifer's car nearby, and you know, the mom had a pit in the set, like she knew something was off, and the drive.

Is you know, kno quick.

So they tried knocking but there was no answer. So then around eight pm they call the police. But the police had to go get a search warrant before entering the apartment, which is so annoying to me, but I guess that's good, okay. So and so Jim was like fuck that and entered through a window, and he kept the mom outside because he was scared about what he might find. So he entered and he did find the body of Jennifer. This is gruesome.

So Jennifer was found in Pataniac's bathtub. In his apartment on August eighteenth, two thousand and five. They called nine one one, and then you know, the police like started like raced back and then began their search for Cole Tin and they had to physically so Jim Sedgwick had to physically restrain Sharon from entering the apartment and inside, so she was shot dead. The bullet went into her arm and then traveled into the chest through the heart

Anyways, it's her child, but like.

No dismember kidding me is so gruesome and horrible. It's like, oh yeah, oh my god. Actually I've been catching up on Stabler Show Organized Crime, and like at the beginning of this of this episode, this woman like is in her house and her husband's not home, and she goes downstairs. She's carrying a baseball bat and she sees something in her dryer.

Going boo boom boo boom boo boom in.

Her dryer, and when she opens the dryer it's her husband's head that was just in the dryer with the laundry.

That's the fuck. That reminds me of like.

Breaking Bad style ye appetition, h yeah yeah, breaking bad shit. Honestly, when you said this is gruesome, when you said this is gruesome, my mind immediately went to like acid bathtub of breaking bad, like I when I think of like getting rid of bodies and gross ways, I'm like breaking bad immediately.

Oh, the decapitation reminded me of what's his name, Trey Hoe on the Toys Head.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to.

Rewatch that show so bad. But anyways, this is real life. It's fucked up. I'm so glad that, like the fiance was adamant about the mom not coming in. Yeah yeah, and I'm sure he's haunted forever. So later that emmy said there was also a shot that had been fired through her severed neck and into her brain.

Oh my god, like they were just fucking around.

Well, so this motherfucker fled to Mexico with Hall, and they spent five days there until they were picked up by the US Marshals and returned their asses back to Texas. So this is the evidence that started to come in. So Petoniac cell phone records showed that he contacted his girlfriend Hall right after three thirty am on August seventeenth, and then there's another phone call at six am. So something happened to between one thirty am and three thirty am.

So they just gave up on the trying to hacker up. They were just like, uh, oh, they know they're calling us.

Let's go.

Yeah, I'm gonna get they like, that's what's weird, is like they didn't do anything they started. You're like, it's they didn't And you guys think you're gonna like avoid capture in Mexico like adorable, like you're two.

He went to the store and about a hack saw like ugh.

But the question as to why this happened has never been answered because Patanyak testified in court that he doesn't remember killing her because of the drugs and alcohol, but it must have been him, but it's so convenient. He does not remember anything except the parts where he blames Hall for everything, and that's when the memory is clear.

So his whole thing is like, fuck, I was fucked up.

I don't remember anything, but I do remember that she was in charge of the dismemberment in this and that.

Was our idea.

So very convenient. He remembers nothing but to blame someone else for other stuff. Laura also says that Colton told her that he had been drinking and didn't remember what happened, so in one of those phone calls, he was like, I have no idea like what happened, which that reminds me of that episode with Scott whatever.

He's not his name Hammered. Yeah, so it reminds me of Hammered where he's Scott fully clue, Scott Fholey, thank you so much.

He was at the tail end of a day's long bender when he met up with Jennifer Cave and he remembers that night of the sixteenth passing out, but then he remembers waking up early on the seventeenth and he found her body in the bathtub.

He called a Hall in a.

Panic, who came up with a great plan for dismembering the body, which she of course denies and said it was his idea and that she made the list of items they needed, and he said that he paid for the items, but he did not cut up the body, and said that it was Hall's idea to go to Mexico. So they're just turning on each other and I don't think we'll actually ever know, like, yeah, what happened, but they both suck. So while they're on the run, which

So yeah, the parents of.

Lauren Hall don't realize that their daughter is involved. They just are like, oh, he's with there with a killler. We have to find our daughter.

They did a hold of her finally and she left that she let them know she was in Mexico with Colton and they feared that he was going to kill her. Haul maintained her innocence and said that she was at the home but did not help and did not call the cops because she was scared. She maintains the Olivia Benson of like, I did whatever I needed to do to stay alive, which included driving him.

She said she was shocked.

He just let her go and then she went home, but like she like was still in denial. She said she came over to the house without knowing anything was wrong. She said she arrived before dawn on August seventeenth, two thousand and five. He'd called her saying he needed to talk. She continued to CBS News that in quotes, he answered the door really kind of paranoid and fearful, and I'm kind of like sitting up Colton, what's the deal, What's

What mannequin? Curls up?

Curls dumb, kant, I don't buy this, like, I just I don't know.

This is sad.

He's like, no a man, and said that she came over in the morning and cut up the body. So her attorney, Joe James Sawyer, of course, was like, she did not dismember the body, and that her only crime is that she loves Pataniak too much and that she was just trying to protect herself from any harm from Colton. She says she regrets not testifying though, so now you guys can decipher how you feel about this. So Hall's

To shoot Cave.

Oh Pataniac's DNA without Laura's was found on the buck knife, a machete which was found in the apartment's dishwasher, which is also very SVU to me, and the hack saw that was left resting on top of Cave's body.

But I think it's.

Damning that her DNA was found on the pistol. Yeah, I don't know unless she picked up the gun to go clean it and then fucking forgot because.

These people don't finish.

Anything they start, like, I don't know.

He also like they this was some evidence they used. He like had wanna be gangster vibes, like he had scarface posters, gangster movies, and he had tons of movies that involved dismemberment, one of which the a machete was used for dismemberment, and on his coffee table. It was a Sopranos DVD where Tony Soprano dismembers a murder victim in a bathtub, then removes his head and sticks it in a bowling back bowling ball back?

Damn?

So was he watching it while they were wasted? Got the idea? Did he watch it in the day was like, I'm gonna kill this girl? Did he watch it after you pop it in figure out how to do it. But it is it could be circumstantial, but that to me is damning. That Like, yeah, the dismemberment Sopranos episode is in the DVD player.

Yeah.

His screen names were also see Money and I Love Money and Hoes. I'm just trying to give you a full picture of this, yeah, of who this guy is.

Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like all small time drug dealers are all like into scarface and this gangster shit too, like they think that they're like living some kind of life.

Yeah.

So Colton's car was parked in its regular spot with a gun inside. Prosecutors from Travis County where Bill Bishop and Stephanie McFarlane, and they had a hard time with not straightforward, Like it's not a straightforward case. They have physical evidence, but they're just like all really confused by the motive.

You're like, why did they do this? No one knows.

No one could have just been like she said something he didn't fucking like and he just shot her because he was so fucked up, Like because she said she was yelling at him when he was pissing on a car. Maybe she was like, you need to get your life together, and he was like shut up, mom, and like, you know, who knows, maybe something triggered him and he just like shot her.

But they built intent by piecing together conversations that Hall was having in the months after the murder. So like Hall stood by his side from September two thousand and five when she was arrested until the trial in January two thousand and seven, and then at the trial she stopped supporting him. And so they chatted with her cellmate because she was being held during the in between of the trials and it was like it did count for

Oh my god, So that's what's wild.

They did all this fucked up shit to the body like you mentioned, Kara, but then made no effort to hide the body or get.

Rid of the body. Ooh.

Their jury deliberated for two days. Pataniac was convicted in two thousand and seven of the murder and was sentenced to fifty five years in pri He tried to appeal in twenty fifteen and it was denied. Stay in jail forever, you dumb bitch. So Laura was not arrested in the beginning, but then the police when they just questioned her, she was so not cooperative that that was what was like

Colton's a great guy and he didn't do it.

She also admitted to lying about that eventually, but that's again, yeah, why would you You thought you were going to Mexico. But then later we're like, oh, no, he did call me, and I knew when I saw the body, like what's going on? And then the neighbor was like, you were bitching about him? But then she's like, oh, I just

I'll see you later.

And so it's like, if you did feel bad about anything, you could have told so many people. But baby, I just don't believe that he but he is crazy. I don't know, yeah, because I don't want to blame someone.

You know.

It's the thing we learned from the Colleen standcase, like we can't expect people to abnormal and abnormal circumstances, but shady. She also posts Mexico, got a fucking tattoo of his name on her leg because she just loved him so much and thought he was innocent.

But weren't you there? I don't know.

Laura Hall was convicted for her role in the killing and dismemberment of Jennifer in two thousand and seven. The charges were for hindering apprehension and tampering with evidence and helping Pataniac in a cover up and then driving to Mexico. Hall was released from prison on Thursday, March fifteenth, twenty eighteen, at ten thirty am, at thirty four years old.

And I bet she writes to that guy in fucking prison every day. I mean, and I just wish, like I'm so all about the why. I'm like, why, what the fuck happened? Like he didn't say, like you know, like he I don't know, he didn't say at all why he fucking did that. I mean, I guess people just do crazy things when they're fucked up. But let's move to our guests, because we have an awesome guest today, and thank you for telling us all of the infro on those two crimes and that very gruesome one and

Yes, oh my god, we're so happy you could take the time to talk about.

Of course, you're in a classic episode of SVU. I'm not trying to be That wasn't even an intentional pun. The episode is called class, but it is also classic.

Well, the most class, I mean what jumps out at me immediately is like early two thousand's frosted eyeshadow, lipstick, your hairdoo, a pink cardigan.

I mean it is like the dream outfits of a cool, mean girl of that time.

Juicy, I remember Juicy Sweatsea. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, So like.

This is I think this is just looking at your IMDb one of the first roles you got for TV, right, So how did it?

Were you so pumped to get cast? Was this like your fiftieth Law and Order audition? Like? How did the process go of getting this part? I had?

I don't even think I'd been in New York for an entire year, so it was definitely one of my first jobs, maybe not my very first, but it was like in the top three, and I went in for the audition.

My roommate was also auditioning. Ooh.

So it was a little uncomfortable a little bit when I got it, obviously, and I felt bad too because I had I had just done a job, and I was like, oh, she really needed this more than me. But I think I was just bitch here, so that's why I got it.

Yeah, are you guys still friends? Oh yeah? Oh yeah.

I was a bride in her wedding, so it wasn't she probably forgot all about it.

So I mean, if you're going to live with another actor, that's just I think the reality is, right, you gotta you're gonna go against you.

Oh yeah, I definitely had my share of disappointments for sure, I mean constantly.

So yeah, that this business is, I always say, an endless parade of disappointments pretty much.

Soon. Yeah, kind of wild.

It's your first ever real like TV acting job, because like you're really holding your own with like Maloney and Iced Tea and like you're handing it back to them like the banter is.

So oh thanks, Well that's nice back when I had confidence.

Before the industry broke you. Yeah, exactly.

No, I remember Iced Tea was super nice. He was really friendly. Everybody was really friendly, but he especially, you know, I think I was.

I'm sure I was nervous.

I just specifically remember him having a conversation where he's like, you know, we kind of do the same thing every day and the fun part for us is to get you got to to see what you guys are going to do, which and I didn't realize at the time, like I just didn't know enough about TV. But yeah, it's like they kind of do do the same thing.

Right, do you remember any other fun stories?

Oh my god, so Diane, Yes, Diane Neil. Can I tell you a story about dian Neil?

Yeah, we love Diane. She's been on the podcast.

Okay, so this might have been like, I don't know, one in the morning when we were shooting a scene with her and Chris Maloney in like an interrogation room, and vaguely this is like this is a long time ago, like twenty years ago. So I'm this is it's like pieces in my memory. But Chris Maloney there was a line I need to go see the scene. There was a line in the scene, and he kept like forgetting it and he would say it really funny, but he was like keeping it together because he wanted to leave.

He wasn't even on camera.

It was like off camera like me and dian Neil would just start laughing to the point where we couldn't stop laughing.

And it's one of them like slap.

Happy and so I would see her face seat like he would do he would make the little mistake and you'd see him like try to like get the word.

Right, and then Dianielle would go and you would just see her crack.

And then I was just like I could not keep it together and it was so hard to get through the scene because and Chris was, I'm sure, just like so pissed off, which I would be too if I was in his shoes at the time. I'm just young, so I don't I don't get like what that team schedule is like, but it is such a crazy schedule. And then he's got like kids at home and she just wants to leave, you know, it's like Friday night or something, and me and Diane just can't stop laughing.

And we know that Diane is a snort laugher as well.

That kind of I feel like elevates things when you're like people are now snorting.

And yeah, it was, Oh my god, it was so funny.

It was just like there's a few things I remember and that definitely stands out as being just like one of the highlights.

Well that scene too, Maloney is so in your face. I mean he gets close to purps, but like he is in your face.

Yeah, yeah, I remember, And so that's why it's like if he missed a line and said it funny, it was just really hard to keep it together.

Because he's like looks like he's about to kiss you basically.

And it's one of my favorite tropes too because they reveal the ring and like the I love there's a few episodes where it's like one little mistake and jewelry and you're done, And I love that.

Yeah, a bing go board moment, Yeah, getting too greedy, getting too greedy and taking a ring or something that you stole from someone you killed. Yeah, right, and then you got to take the stand. Another bingo moment when you do Law and Order, you got to be on the stand.

The courtroom was that that was so fun, Like I don't know, I was just having fun. It just seemed like a great guest spot.

I haven't done one since because sometimes some people do too, don't they.

Oh yeah, sometimes they bring people like at the beginning, they would bring people back closer together, and now I think they space them apart more.

Yeah, but yeah, I know, I know, what would you like to come back as? Oh my gosh.

I mean the bad guys are the most fun because I feel like when you audition for the victim guest spot roles, you have to cry a lot and as much just that's just harder to like cry and like do a lot of exposition.

That's just like hard to do. So the bad guy roles are more fun.

I think you got to be fun like you were, just like I was just like, I can't who is this girl? Because I mean, obviously they're painting you is so rich, but I'm like, who is this girl that is so fearless of the cops?

Like you have not known the world of the cops. You're like, wow, a comedian cool? Like I oh, so much attitude.

I also wrote down one line that you had where nove Ecco's he was addicted to you?

And you went, is that so hard to imagine? Are you serious? That was a line?

Yeah, Oh my god, I can't even that's so funny?

Is that so hard to imagine? Do you remember watching it when it came out? Like do you watch stuff?

Oh?

I'm sure I watched it. I'm sure I watched it.

But the funny thing is I was living at that time. I was still living in my first New York apartment and I think we were like five people in a two bedroom. It was like we didn't have cable, We couldn't afford anything. So if I did watch it, and that I think that was before streaming. Is that like early two thousands, right, Yeah, so that would have been well before streaming. So I'm like, when did I watch it?

Actually? Because we didn't. I'm sure probably when I.

Like went to my mom's house I watched it. I don't even remember when, but I'm sure I know I did. I know I didn't.

Remember watching it. Yeah.

I also had really bad acne back then. I remember being so stressed about my like twenty year old I had really bad acne problems and the makeup artist was so sweet.

She was like trying to.

Help me, and I just remember being like, oh, everybody's like looking at my acne.

Oh God, well you definitely couldn't.

It definitely didn't read on camera that makeup people did great.

Oh they did. They really did, and they were very sweet. And they even put me in Marishka's dressing room. I hope that was when she wasn't at work. I think they would put people in her dress and she was like okay with it.

But yeah, I remember being in her dressing room just being like, oh am I supposed to be in here? Wow?

Do you ever steal things from sets? Her memories?

Do I steal things? Gosh? Have I ever stole anything set?

I'm sure there's been something. Socks, plenty of socks. They always have really nice socks on set, like they give you like, even if you come to set with socks on the costume, people always leave socks you.

Usually they even leave underwear.

I mean there's just like they want you to have everything in case, like you didn't wear your underwear that day or whatever.

So I would always and I don't.

Know about this set specifically, but like usually I just leave the socks on because I'm like, oh, that's not really stealing. I just like left the socks on. So I've definitely left the socks on. I don't know about like stealing like prop objects or anything. I don't know if I've done that. Sometimes people give you stuff, you know, like if you have a prop guy, you know, he'll give you something.

I would have taken that pink cart again, and oh I should have, and then I would have been like, I don't know, I left it in the trailer.

I don't know I should have done that. I could have just worn it out. They would have never known. It was so cute. How was your How do you remember the arrest?

Also at the very end, when they like are cuffing you and you're like this is crazy, and they're like, you're going to jail for stealing the ring.

I loved it.

Chris Moloni is like kind of rough a little bit, and I liked it because it like gave me something to do.

And also people love that he arrested me.

Like people always like, oh my gosh, Chris Maloney arrested you in Law and Order. Like that's my claim to fame, is that Chris Maloney arrested me. Because he has such a crazy fan like his fan.

Base is psycho. A lot of gay men love him.

I think from his days in Oz right, Yeah, and like and now his butt is having like a like a resurrection and like he says, and now he's like a zaddie and he's doing naked Peloton commercials. Yes, I think I don't know whether back then he was into it, but now I think he's playing it up. Like I think he loves that kind of stuff now.

Yeah, because people seem very impressed by the fact that he arrested me.

Yeah, that would be my dating profile picture for sure.

Well, and we always talk like he's so toxic now when you watch back, and he is really rough and breaks the rules often, but like there is a fantasy of him like throwing you against a file cabinet, you know, so you kind of a little bit.

That would have been a different ending, maybe a better ending.

Well you, I you know, we obviously stalked you, so I was on Instagram your costumes on this show.

See looks good? Yes, well tell us about this show too.

You're also working with hatty Jason Momoa. I would love some insight on that.

That was fun.

No, Natalie Bronsman did the costumes and gosh, yeah she was. Oh my god, that was just so incredible. She gave me something too. She gave me like, I had this cool snake thing, Like it was like a bracelet that went all the way over your hand and like it.

Was like a hand piece.

I don't even know what you call it. It was like a hand piece with like a snake wrapped around. So she did give me that. That was amazing.

And I'm sure you have a lot of occasions to wear that too. Well, I haven't actually worn it out once Snake camped.

I know I should wear it actually because it would be cool. I should have borne it to the premiere, but it just didn't go with my dress.

But yeah, that was fun.

That was fun, And Jason definitely walked around set with his shirt off sometimes because it was very hot in Toronto, so that was also fun.

Just watching what is.

What's the will you tell us about the show? Like, what's the premise of se Okay?

The premise of s is basically, it's like hundreds of years into the future, there's been a virus that has basic everybody has like lost their vision. They've got these like cataracts and so pretty much the entire population has said to adapt to not being able to see, except for there's like three characters that can see, and so all the powerful people are trying to exploit them to

No, I'm not.

So they treat my they treat everybody's eyes like in post and so your eyes look really cool.

And and they gave us canes.

We had like these kind of canes walking sticks, and the other thing about it was so interesting is that you couldn't look at actors because in this world where like nobody because like right now, people who you.

Know are visually impaired.

If they're if they're looking at you, it's because they're adapting to kind of like the seeing world, like as most of us can see. And so they're a minority, so they've like kind of had to adapt to, oh, try to make like try to.

Look as closely to the person's eyes.

But in a world where every nobody can see like that, there's no need to like look at them.

They're just going off there hearing.

So a lot of times you'd be doing a scene in profile, so I'm like listening to somebody here and looking that way, so you're almost never making eye contact. You're just really never making eye contact. You're looking around the person the whole time. And so that was crazy to do. That was just so new to me. I've never done anything like that, like not being able to look at an actor. Like somebody would come and say, oh, it looks like you're looking at him, and I was like, well,

You know. That was really weird because we're so used.

To like like we're so used to listening really with our eyes, you know, body language. It's like somebody can say one thing, but what they're doing visually is like you're getting something else from it. So I found that to be like, really that was really challenging, but also really fun and totally different and sensual.

And the costumes. We just had so much stuff to play with. So what's life in Utah? Like, there's a lot of skiing. I ski a lot. Are you in Salt Lake?

No, I'm actually right now currently in Probo, Utah? And then I'm met in you know, Sundance, Utah. It's kind of it's not the word the fest festivals in Park City, but Sundance is this little tiny like ski resource, small ski resort like five chairs. I want to say Robert Redford. Robert Redford owns it. They do the Sundance Institute and the labs there, but it's not quite where like the Giant Festival is the giant big festivals in Park City,

Yeah, okay, you're a girl.

Nature I really am.

It was like hard to be in New York for so long, but I got so used to it and I loved it. But when the option was like when it became COVID times, it was just like not a question for me. I was like, there's no way, I'm just sitting in an apartment for a year and like grinding now self tapes, Like I'm just not going to do that.

Yeah, you just said, like you filmed in Toronto. I'm sure there's just always somewhere else.

That's the thing is that when you get the job, you're actually you know, usually that said, I shot tons of stuff in New York, so I should spend more time there just because that's kind of where my like, you know, actor family is, and.

So I should.

I should get back my partner Houston, he is from Alabama, but he's really like a New York person.

He just really wants to live in New York.

But we were kind of all over the place, and I was like, I have a home in Utah, Like, let's just go live there for a while and figure it out and then it's just easy to stay. And so we've been here for about a year now. But he he was noticing. There's soda shops all over Provo at Oorum, Utah, like soda shops.

So there's like a bar, no soda like so I know, but like the way they treat it the way like another city would treat me.

Yes, Like it's like come in here and get your your no bars. There's like no bars.

There's like two bars in the entire city, like there's and they're like kind of weird, and it's really hard to get a liquor license apparently in Provo because like I think BYU kind of owns them, or they don't want the more the kids, that's the students to start drinking, I guess.

So there's these soda shops.

One's called Sip and Fizz, one is called So Delicious, one is called Pop and Dot. There's like fifteen different like like soda places that they're like franchises that I see all over Utah.

And they have lines.

There's like car lines and they're not cheap, like I've gone to one before and got like the red They mix soda so they put like red Bull and then other flavored soda, so it's like sugar on top of sugar. Some of them they give you a free cookie. Wow, Like that's that's the that's the vice here is just like sugar and soda. Like they don't drink, they don't smoke, they eat sugar.

Wow. That's I know. It is really wild.

Well, so you're okay, So you're in provo, you're partitioning. Is there anything that you want our listeners to check out, any like recent projects or anything coming up that you want us to keep an eye out.

Just pray for me, Just keep me in your prayers.

No, I've had a sad like I don't want is called a sad year, but just a lot of close calls, a lot of those kind of jobs were you're just like kind of heartbroken. You just get it's like the feeling of like somebody just broke up with you and broke your heart. Like that's like they were so close that you're like the carrot is like really close and gets closer and then all of a sudden just know it's somebody else.

They want with somebody else.

And that's been happening so many so much this year, and now we're in this writer strike.

So it was just like, dang, this is I'm like, is it just? Is it over for me? No?

I think a lot of people are feeling that way that it's like just bouncing back from the pandemic.

Still totally everything. Yeah, it's really different.

It's really different doing the self tapes because I think they just they cast a much wider net.

Wait, have you have you ever met another Tris?

Okay, my mom's name is Trieste, my grandma's name is Tries, and my great aunt's name is Tris, and then there's some others in the family too.

So okay, family name all right? Cool? So sure, yeah, you've met a for you. This was very fun. I know you so much. Nice to meet you guys too.

Thank you so much for taking the time to tell us about your SVU experience or your life.

Thanks for reminding me of that episode because it was really fun and it's good to be reminded.

Wow.

Triste so cool living the life in Utah.

Cool girl, really cool girl, best character, dream character, rich bitch who thinks they got away with it all but arrest sit at the end.

Silver bracelets.

Yeah, so why that's why we go to the movies.

JK. We come to this place for magic. Yeah, for people getting.

Arrested and the Cliffhairer, the Biffer rich bitches falsting their poy boyfriends to kill their poker partners. I feel bad for the guy, but I hate when Maloney, like, I don't know, I relate to him. I was also poor. It's like, shut up, yeah, it's like he killed a woman. Yeah, he strangled a woman in a rage over money. And you're like, there's just something about this kid. I think he's good on the inside. It's like what I just hate.

I get it when it's like the parent stuff and you just feel for these children.

But this is too far.

You know, this is way too far to like want to give a pass to someone who who did murder a woman. I don't care if it was because of gambling debts, Like then get your own legs broken.

And that's not my part.

Like, I just I hate when Maloney has a soft spot for just like looking like someone that looks like him.

I don't know, it bothers me.

We've also just seen so many episodes of the show where a man is like either in the on the at the defense table or like being exited from the courtroom where he's like, why are you doing this? And it's just a woman fucking him over. So I kind of love that though. I do love when like he's like, but babe, I did it all for you and.

She's like audios. It was just a great, great scene.

Yeah, the damaged, the damaged of it all. He was gonna go to jail for life for Mari Grainer.

Yeah, or even the guy who in Mother who like thought that he was like in love with his therapist.

Was like, why are you doing this? I love you?

Like there's so much like protests of love in the courtroom.

John, what is it?

John Abraham? John Abrams? It's always tough with the last names. Casey's type in, Casey's type in He's finding it.

But I think it's Abra.

What did you think of John Abram's resident John Abrams, it's John Abrams. No, there's an h John Abraham, John Abraham's yeah.

Yeah, oh good. A great former guy.

And you know he's in one of my favorite movies, Prime, which I'm sure Kara hasn't seen.

I have seen pieces of it.

I remember I remember it because in that movie, doesn't Meryl streep tell him not to do Q tips in your ears or something like that. I always remember that part because I, well, you tipping my ears is one of my greatest joys in life, and I don't care if you're not supposed to do it.

I love it so much.

Well, yeah, because Uma Thurman's like in therapy with Meryl's streep, and Merrill's caught on that UMA's dating her son, but she's still testing the waters to know like when ethically she should hop out right because she also doesn't want to ditch her client if it's a fling. But then UMA's like, what kind of mother would do that to her son? And the Meryl's streep gets all like defensive about ear canals. No, I love a Q tip. I love a cue tip for a lot of stuff.

It feels so clean after I Q tip those ears out after a shower.

Anyway, I don't know.

It's kind of Yes, this is why you come to this podcast to hear about the joys of Q tipping.

Yes. Post mortom of this episode, what did we learn?

Don't ever think that a rich bitch that you need to pay for with money is going to stay with you, because the minute you lose even a few dollars.

She's out of there, you know, like, don't.

Yeah, you're young, you're young. This isn't real love, Like, get out of there. Don't work with ultimatums or having to like ruin your life to be with someone, not the thing, not the gig, bitch.

Don't And like I.

Respect the hustle of the like selling of the term papers and the playing poker and stuff, but you can't take it, like just don't. Don't get wrapped up in the illegal stuff because then you're just gonna get busted. You don't have the high powered lawyer to help get you out of this shit the way that Gloria cole Hayne does. You know, it's like what you were just talking about. Oh, Lisa just sent me this TikTok. That was this girl woman. That's like, I'm a lawyer, and

No, yeah, I definitely sent that to you immediately in the middle of the night.

I knew that your future children's I need well know. First of all, I have to I'm going to tattoo that TikTok on Oscar's body because he is absolutely gonna call me from jail one day, like there's no question, and I need to be like, you keep it zipped up.

You just tell me where you are and I'm coming to get you. Thank God.

When I got arrested, I was so wasted that I was denying everything. So I was on the phone being like I didn't do anything these you call your parents.

Now, my sister, my sister, Yeah, come on.

I was also gonna say, I bet you could just speak Russian. I doubt they've got like an interpreter on hand. You could just be like in Russian, like I fucked up, Come get me.

Yeah, you definitely.

I would suggest don't call your parents who don't speak English from jail.

That will not work. You gotta call the siblings. You gotta call a sibling.

But also gamble for fun. No, that's blaming the victim.

Sorry, but yeah, I guess I would say, if you are fleecing a humongous professional football player for his diamond ring that costs one hundred thousand dollars, maybe don't like laugh in his face and gloat because he's going to get quite angry at you, although he didn't end up doing anything. But still, don't lie to your wives. They know the truth. Quit lying to your wives. Oh.

I started watching the Ashley Madison thing, but I didn't finish it.

Oh yeah, there's a doc a new doc out.

Yeah. I was like, I know, I know, I heard a sham Dock is really sweet. I would love to watch the Wham Duck. It's like all about how much the other guy from WAM just like loved George Michael and was like, yeah, you could tell he was a star. And after WAM was over, he was just like I'm out, Like I'm just gonna like George can just take the fame, like I'm good. I had a great ride, you know, like did he did he was he able to live on residuals from the music or did he have to get her like a job?

Probably I think he did, that's what. That's what my friend.

My friend was actually Georgia telling me all about it, but like she was saying too that it was like they used to. He used to just like he knew George was gay and he would just like help him cover and be like oh yeah, we're just like Sleigh and Pussy left and right. But like he was covering for help him covering for him. My god, this guy from WAM. What a little ally an Ali hero. I guess I'll throw this out there. I don't know. I loved the movie joy Ride. Oh yeah, the port Asian Women.

So we're laughing and after you know, and our mutual friend has a really nice big laugh.

Okay, and it's nada.

If you're a stand up you love to hear it because it's like coming from her gut and she like loves what you're saying, and she's it's not annoying to me at all, And I have friends with annoying laughs. No, because it's realizing she's not putting on anything.

It's truly her enjoying life.

And after the movie ends, you know, the light's go up, we stand up and a woman turns to her and goes, you really laughed out loud at the movie, And it's like the comedy, like, are you shading the movie that it's bad or that my friend is laughing? Like, of course we're laughing at the movie. It's a funny movie. It just sickens me. It sickens me.

I mean we're at dinner time.

People hate her laugh and it is I mean, it helps me get my rage out because I get to defend a friend.

So for me sometimes I'm like, it's just so crazy. What do you look. She's been at my stand up, she's been at our live shows.

I love hearing her laugh, Like I don't know, maybe that's just because she's my friend, but it's all Also it's like that means you're not having fun like, why are you sitting in silence getting mad?

Like you should be laughing.

We should all be laughing, and if you're not, don't drag people down to the depths of misery with you like that. So whatever, whatever, Well, we're moving on, give them the chatty.

Let's go. No, well, we're going to what would Sister Peg do?

Our WWSPD segment where we tell you point you guys to a resource, a blog, a book, a podcast episode.

We even did a made for television movie recently.

You know, we're all over the place, but something to give you more information about what we talked about in today's episode and listen. SVU has made a full character choice with Rawlins having a gambling problem. Clearly the kids in this episode have gambling problems, so we thought we would point out the National Problem Gambling Helpline, which is one eight hundred gambler. As shown in the episode, gambling can be really destructive addiction.

It correct people's lives.

This network is a single national access point to local resources for those seeking help with a gambling problem. Even if you know someone who's just like getting in a little bit too deep with online poker or it feels like that's where they're deriving all of their.

Like dopamine from like it.

It could end up being problematic, so maybe just seek out some help. It's available twenty four to seven and as one hundred percent confidential. It includes a text and a chat feature if you don't want to talk on

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