I'm sitting there watching Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia being garcy be flipping through that flipping through play off basketball. Watch that all day on Saturday. What else is watching on Saturday? I think that might have been it. I hop on Twitter. Broken Matt Hardy's back in impact. What did not see that coming? What y'all think about Matt Hardy going back to impact under his broken Matt persona? And I guess he showed up like at the end of the show and then he won the title.
I still got to do some research on it. But yo, I saw he was back in impact and then I saw he's already holding championship gold. So yeah, there's big news. Our DNA last night. Yeah, I didn't even know that this was even a thing. His contract was set. His contract been up for a little bit. He said he was talking to both WWE and AEW, of course, being the professional that he is. Didn't want to stooge off. He was going to AEW or impact. But that's where he's at.
So I think I'm happy for him, of course. But I also think I'm happy that he's no longer on AEW TV. And if WWE didn't have a defined spot for him and or Jeff, I'm good with him not being there either. You say he's still a Phrygian too. Oh, really? Yeah. He's still what? You know, because Nick is on a Phrygian contract too. He's not necessarily locked in. True. I think, yeah. It's a lot of their bigger guys are free to sign elsewhere. Ernie, your girl, Tessa, she back. She debuted last night too.
I saw there was some talks about it. I didn't. Okay. So she did debut. I saw Friday that there was some talks with Tessa. And that. Y'all think she's still racist? No. I think that even if she wanted to be, she can't. After she was dragged through the mud. She had low key races? No. I don't think she had any more racism in any war. She was baptized out of the racism. You got deleted? She was a very conflicted woman. Right. Because she was racist.
She was married to a married to and then cheated on a Mexican man. Like, right? Hey, I hope that this turns a page for her. Because she's young, man. She's 30 yet. She's still racist too, right, folks? No. And she's somebody who had the industry or could have had the industry by the laws. So, yeah, to that point, y'all gotta stop being racist, man. Y'all be okay out here. Just stop. That's Michael Jordan said a long time ago. Stop it. Get some help.
Hey, you know, and she not only was she a point in races, right? Jordan said that. Yeah, but still the same. But, you know, she was a, the girls didn't like her in a locker room too. So hopefully, you know what I'm saying? She's got her attitude together and she can make a resurgence. Absolutely. Absolutely. And if not, oh, whoa. That's who I guess. Yeah. Who cares? Episode 127 of the TFW podcast. That's freaking wrestling. Best kept secret in wrestling podcast.
I ain't even host Matt joined by my usual suspects through the hard way. Rodisha and Ishaan. I was on, like, I think I hit, I was on all of our socials last few days. So on Friday, I go on Instagram. I haven't logged in to Instagram. I think since we like launched it, it typically like puts the links up and all that kind of stuff, So I'm on there and I see like in our notifications, there's like 300 plus notifications. Now, let me just go in and look at what's going on over here.
The Avengers style ending that I talked about a couple months ago, we put that on Instagram. That thing has 87,000 views on it. Holy. So shout out to everybody who has interacted, engaged in any of our videos on social media, but particularly that one, that one blew up. And of course, there were hundreds of comments that I never saw. So I had a fun time on Friday just anybody who said I was dumb. So it was a horrible idea. Said this is why W2B sucks.
I had a really good time on Friday just going in those comments and either leaving like a smirk emoji or asking them how their day was. Things of that nature. I just wanted to know, you know, but I was right on that. So I haven't heard anybody who watched that in good faith and said it sucked. So thanks for interacting though. Thanks for engaging with us. We appreciate you. That's that's F and W on Instagram. That's F and W on X. That's freaking wrestling on TikTok.
That's freaking wrestling on YouTube. That is our socials. Once again, we thank you guys for being along with us. We got a nice little show for you guys today. So on Wednesdays pod, we're podding, we're podding, podding our asses off, right? We're in the zone killing it. We go over dynasty like, man, and it wasn't until that was a big hit.
And it wasn't until that was a legit reaction at the end of our podcast where I'm sitting here and I'm just like, y'all, we could have just done this breakdown on Sunday. We would have seen dynamite. Collision would have happened. I'll go home. We would have had a legit true dynasty preview opposed to our dynasty preview that had no go home shows attached to it. Sorry. So that's on us. That's on me. My bad.
But these two did not tell me or say, hey, y'all, you know, we could talk about this on Sunday, right? It is Sunday now. My math was a math and so I didn't know what day was. So I guess my question about dynasty is has your thoughts changed at all since dynamite happened, since collision happened, of course, rampage happened too. Hey, shout out to what is it? Cool hand and Ruby Soho expecting a spectacular kid. So congrats to those two love birds.
Oh, that was cool to see any different, any different thoughts. I think maybe my different thought honestly is I think I had it at a three as excitement level. You're probably up to like four and a half out of what out of 10. So yeah, out of 10. Yeah. Um, first off, you know, I'm such a mush for that stuff when we saw Ruby and Angelo whole interaction that just made me feel so warm and fuzzy inside. So that and they're not even on the show. That's going to give me an extra half a point.
And then Brian, great, no, that helly skill. And then Brian here is that long? And then a email was like, well, that's probably because that's the last time you've seen them. Is here with her. I was like, she talked more about his hair length than anything else on collision. I'm like, you know what man, if we're talking about hair length and not anything else.
Because of that action, but take a point back and we have a point back because I'm sitting here trying to grow my hair and Brian James in here could just grow like overnight. Actually, I'm going to take that point back. So I'm still at 10. 1514. No, no, no, but for real excitement level, I'm probably at a seven. I mean, it's the Sunday night ones is kind of tough. She got to go to work in the next morning.
Man, if we can have these Saturdays, it would just be probably eight just think about like the UFC's the boxing fights, the half of the boxing fights and UFC fights that come up. I maybe only know half of the people, but it's still exciting because the Saturday night to watch this pay per view. But I'm probably about a seven. You know, Brian's hair, actually the top has been very long for a number of years now. Because I don't think he used a lot of extensions for those braids.
He doesn't have top because you know, he had the man bun for a long time. So that his hair at the top was always very, very long. But he also might get that miracle growth too. At his age, we need that. I might need to hit him up on IG this to get some hair growth tips. Yeah. I don't know what was that last last week? You were low too. Was I at three? I'm at 3.5. Okay. So you would have a point too. All right. Man, 3.5. But you know guys, when I'm a little... Are you guys surprised?
I know you guys don't look at the ratings for these shows anymore. But do you notice how low the Go Home show for Dynamite was? And were you surprised by that? Not really. I didn't pay attention to the rating at all. Like I saw it hit. Excuse me, but I haven't looked at ratings honestly. And like last show that I paid attention to was just the Raw after Mania because I just wanted to see what that excitement level when the intrigue was.
And that's when I saw they did 3 million in that first segment. I haven't looked at them. I just think they are where they are right now, right? I was watching... So I was watching Dynamite. And Dynamite was a really good show. It was. It was a really good show. And I was like, okay, that's a good show. And it was a good Go Home show. But AW Steel is like that incredible indie promotion. And not indie is like not professional or not pro, not like that.
Like anybody who goes to indies like consistently or is an avid independent wrestling fan, you're going to the shows for the matches. Because there is no storyline a lot of times, right? Like you got your month of build for this show and these are the matches. And then that's what it is. And this for me, AW is a lot like that. Like I think their hardcore fans love independent wrestling.
And I love independent wrestling, but it's completely different than... I hate, here we go with this comparison. So I'm trying not to compare WWE and AW. Because I know we do that a lot just as wrestling fans. Like if we talk about one, we automatically look at the opposite spectrum on the other. But I think I have to kind of compare and use an analogy to what you just asked me to eat. And like the perfect example was on SmackDown. We had Tamatanga show up a week ago.
And it really didn't do much to explain like who he was. Which, you know, usually WWE will hit you with a video package, all that kind of stuff. Maybe numerous video packages. We didn't really get that. We just got his reveal. Saw he's a badass. Cool. This week on SmackDown, they're looking for Kevin Owens strictly because Kevin Owens kind of laughed at him last Friday and was like, look, this is not y'all like room no more. Y'all go down the hallway.
What AW would have done is through the initial interaction between KO and Tama or the bloodline last Friday, we would have gotten a match this week on AWTV. Tama vs KO. So when I talk about a lot of AW needs to do better at writing television, this is the perfect example. Then you throw in this week on SmackDown. And what do you get? You get a beatdown segment from Tama to KO. That's the television part. Now, if you want to run that match at back last, I don't think it's gonna be a back last.
But if you want to run that back last, you want to run that SmackDown, you want to run it at Raw, you've given me a reason to be invested in the opposed to the K-pop. The reason to be invested in the opposed to the guy shows up, he's already magically getting a match. So long with an answer, I just think they are where they are currently. And I think those are the tidbits they have to add into their show to increase week to week viewership. You know what, Tama? I never pay the ratings. I know.
Yeah, you kind of stay offline for most part anyway. Nothing wrong with that though, because not everybody is online like that. A good portion of wrestling fans aren't online, you know, checking for things like that. Nothing wrong with that. But twin though, I thought about AW, I'm like, it reminds me of an indie show. Right? And so why do we go to indie shows? Right? Because not typically because we just want to see wrestling matches, right? Without context.
Like usually just like a star or two on the show, you're like, oh shoot, that guy's on the show. Let me go check them out, right? You go to the show. Now, if that same star with no context, no storyline shows a very weak, you kind of already seen what you wanted to see, right? So you may not go the next week to that show, right? The investment might not be there for that show. That's what happens a lot of times with AW. Because it's just startling for me, right?
Because their rating was about 6,762,000 for Dynamite on a go home show, right? The previous week with the punk footage, they're at like 820. They lost about 60,000 viewers, right? Which those people should be tuning in. Because typically the go home show is the big show you want to see what's going to pop off. You want to get that lead in for the pay-per-view. So that's just showing like the overall engagement is just going down, right?
We had the big show, big business with Mercedes, popped a huge rating initially, and then died down over the course of the show. Had a little bit of lifting this week, died down. It just seems like right now the curiosity factor for a lot of things involved are missing on AW. And it feels like right now the people who watch the show are the people who are watching the show. Like, right? I don't know what they can do to boost engagement. But let me just say this though.
I hope that on this next deal that Tony's negotiating, they did get like a billion dollars. He gets that 1.2 billion for the shows. Hopefully, depending on how he does your schedule with SmackDown and Raw on Netflix, we can get collision up during the week, right? So I can get more invested in that show because I'm not watching on weekends. That's like a death sentence. And hopefully AW can get that. They can move an Uber, their schedule. They can get ROH.
Maybe if TBS doesn't want them, maybe it can go somewhere else. We can watch that. That would be the best case scenario. But I just don't see once they get that billion dollar deal that they're, I think that's something to get. I don't think that we're going to see much of a change. I think the show and the company is what it is. Just period. You mentioned the comparison.
I think probably the best comparison for me outside of using like movies and that kind of stuff is a healthy dating relationship is AW and a healthy marriage is WWE. They both have their pros and cons. And they're just different. The relationship is just completely different. And it really hit my head because Matt, when you had mentioned that AW was like the indies. And again, no disrespect in any way because it's not disrespectful to say that. But you're right.
Every independent show that I've even went to as a fan or worked as a fan, I've loved all matches. They're great shows. And it almost feels like I don't have to have a commitment to you because one, I really can't because I'm next month. If I see you again, it's probably not going to be the same people. Like he said, you might get one or two of the champ who's a star, but it's constantly changing. So it's like having a healthy, fun dating life. And it's fun.
There's no extra like responsibilities to it or commitments. But then that marriage is AW. And if you have a healthy marriage, so much more things that you can do and build and grow together. So that just kind of hit the nail on the head for me. And I actually am kind of at this point done comparing the two because they are two totally different. They are just totally different. Yeah, like I don't even think it's like Coke or Pepsi.
No, like I think I think it's like Coke in like Velveeta cheese or something. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you you ingest both. Yeah, for whatever particular reason, but they are just completely different products, you know, for sure. And that's great though, because we that's what we need. Because if they were trying to be a second rate WWE, that would fail even worse. Because I got WWE and they're clicking right now on almost all cylinders.
I don't definitely need a second rate anything WWE. So I think that's where we are. But so you're saying that Rodisha is like AW is like that that that girl guy that you hook up with occasionally. You know, it's healthy dating. So I'm just like a healthy dating lifestyle. Like, hey, I'm going out on dates every week or every month. That's what it is. There's really no commitments. You don't get to really know me that deep.
So I'm not going to tell you my whole story and how my papa died and how my mama's from another country. I'm going to tell you all that because it's just dating. It's just fun. I don't know if I'm going to see you next month. Hey, but you know those type of relationships, you move on somebody else real quick with them people too. Like I wish that yeah, we don't want AW to be a calling to the I don't think it's ever going to be that long as Tony Tony kind is promoting that show.
I just wish the AWs, I just hope for them they become more like the NWA or the WSW. Those shows were very different than WWE, especially at the time, right? But they had a committed long term audience for most of its existence, right? Like NWA, WSW, they had millions of people who specifically just watch sometimes a NWA and WCW, right? They had a long term committed audience that thrive an audience that just loved their show. And it was a great show. It was a great alternative.
I watched both of them very different, right? But my only concern for AEW is that we see from the arena, the buys, the ratings, all the different engagements that this is, it's just slowly taking down month after month. Like right at this point, they're in a they're in a community where people are just like, I'll see you every now and then. They need to get more of a commitment from their fan base and needs to grow. So dynasties tonight and I'm more excited.
I'm going to be more excited after the show than I am going into the show. And that's because I know the show's going to deliver. We hope to see swerve be crowned as champion, which is time for not overdue, but it's time for that. I think we get some story progression and some of these other matches because almost every matches for the titles Right, some title except for Brian and yeah, yeah, and we know what they're gonna do
They're gonna deliver a hell of a match. So hey one last thing we got school to back down in a second I got kind of irritated look at that collision car. I wasn't gonna watch it man. I'm Saturday night but we had the elite young bucks and Okada versus Pac and FTR
Mm-hmm. That's a Vince McMahon move right right before the show you just give away the combatants We get to see them at fisticuffs doing some spots and wrestling and matches You know, you don't hold them off at least before pay now You want to give us that match like on next dynamite? But the show the day before the pay-per-view you give me all six of those guys in the ring Yeah
I haven't seen it. I don't see that already. Yeah, I think I think that actually may do the opposite I know you got to put on good content But the thing about it and like we know that they do their best to give us the best show every single week I was close to coming on here a few weeks ago and I kept Pushing it back kept pushing it back to the point where it just fell off of my docket to even want to bring up to you guys The week after Mercedes debut I
Was going to ask you guys or make a statement of AW has had Bigger and better moments in the last four years and don't be has And I still think that's the case But when you're out of that moment, it's really really hard to Have that argument like I think about everything they've given us moment wise We got the combination of Cole and Brian debuting within like a minute and a half of each other That is a top tier moment Mercedes That's a top tier moment like we can just go down
Every single time we've gotten one of those moments and it's like and that's why we always say that all here comes the turning point Fray De because those moments are so great
But then it's the follow-up that is like severely lacking like right now. I can't bring up She's still not clear yet to wrestle But I can't bring that up now of like how big of a moment that was for Mercedes to arrive at AW and To give that promo and how she just came across as a major star when there's not much attached to it a month later So maybe that's something we can table in the next time they have a massive moment We can follow back up on that but that they give us moments
It's just a follow-up on it because a show that Did not have Mercedes Ocata I Spray under contract on their last pay-per-view and yet Mercedes is not wrestling on this show But she is tied to a really important storyline viewership and Byrates and overall fan interest should be much higher than what is for tonight's show same as last quarter eight real quick We we say we're getting some sponsors on the show sooner or later. I want to sponsor this tea
I gotta find out the name of it really fast. It's like some kind of focus tea. Let me say I am such So hyper right now. I'm like in the zone. You were talking to me man. Let me say I was tunneling. I was down in man You was like them the videos where you actually can see the closed caption you will see my words Oh my god, man. I was in the zone. I should start smiling. I'm like, man I am so zone in on him right now like oh my god
I feel great right now man. So we started to have a conversation started to ask you guys like hey Is Mercedes just another wrestler for a w not in the sense of like she's just a gal on the roster, but Much like Soraya. I was like, okay, I'm gonna say it's gonna be a Diverse maker for that promotion. She's going to increase another she's going to buy
People are going to be watching show to see her because she has that type of charisma. That's a type of personality However, when you look at these ratings from the big business to where they are now They're doing the same ratings that they were doing Before she got there like right when you look at like her segment engagement It's kind of same segment engagement. They were getting previously and I don't think that's her fault
I think it's the way these shows are structured. I think that last week's Thing with pump that turns the people off, you know, did you guys see the interview with Tony Khan? I mean, I bet we got a lot of our viewers. They don't like a w either. Well, I do like a w but they don't like a W they're probably not for listening right. He said either you showed your hand. It's okay, man It's cool for you. Look your guy Cody one at Mania. You do not have to be the a w correspondent
Well, here's here's the you get a lot of we look at that right there. Hey, I've said it before the a w roster I think has more of my favorites on it then WWE to be honest with you Like when you guys compare the rosters, yeah, and I'd be interesting thing to do one day We look at the rosters you break it down. I'll admit for me personally There's so many like favorites I have on that roster, but yeah, I did I definitely misspoke It wasn't a footy and split at all
We know don't worry about it. What is it? We're writing that down though. So let's do that on Wednesday show Maybe maybe we take what the top? Top 10 top 15 singles wrestlers But I talked about this stuff before even on a woman's side too mainly that we as a unit agree that we actually like More people over in a w it's just been the actual product It's just the way they're used. Yeah, it's a lot of change though, right? Because that was before Rumble that was before many that's Yeah, so like
Let's do that. Let's do that on Wednesday show just just to see it. Hey, it's draft season. So yeah, why not? Maybe we can even turn to something like a little mini-draft or something. We do that But speaking of high wrestlers man, go ahead. Let's talk about a I want to get I don't know what you have planned man But I want to get it so low man because I was really That tea is talking to you go ahead sir. Go lead. I lay out go ahead man. Look at him
He's taking another. Oh, I was prepared for this for me to lead the solo. Hey, you just saw my words You ain't gotta be prepared man I'm gonna be from the heart. You got it Well, you know what? I'm definitely focusing on listening to you But I definitely forgot what I was talking about because I don't know what I was just talking about or going like just five minutes ago So maybe I can only listen. I can't think at the same time Yeah, I can't parking water tax right now. I guess
So solo on snack now. This is the new bloodline by my man came suited and booted. Oh my god Still when it's thumb wrapped up. He look good too, man I used to look good too. He look good in that suit. He look good in that role, right? So we know this is a completely different style of bloodline and what we got with 1.0 with Usos and in Roman But him and Tanya looking for KO the bloody KO again
Something we had just talked about a couple weeks ago. You're not going to get blood every single week But when it makes sense when it matters, right? I don't care if it's a blood capsule or fake blood No point in cutting yourself if you're backstage, you don't need to see that part of it but I thought that was great because of you guys took it to that level just because of basically like a joke Because I had to even think when I saw that I was like
Yeah, you said that you were like, what do you do? I had to think back like oh Right when they showed up last Friday, he's like, no, it's not your locker room anymore. You guys can go down the hall Something as small as that. Nenny try to commit murder Shout out to Rikishi Rikishi ran over Austin years and years and years ago Tomas ran into KO's rental car and like I was like, oh, hey, do we know do we know that was time?
Well, maybe it was maybe it was Rikishi man. He a bad driver. Maybe it was him, right? Rikishi say I'm getting on this show He's been trying to get in this bloodline thing for years now man. He finally did it on smackdown He was behind that wheel. Hey, there was in the back seat. I got this youngins
Boom, he hit that. Yeah for the rock for the rock. Oh, yeah so what'd you guys think about uh week two of now we kind of can see where tomas pit tomas that bad ass psycho Peter okay got that now for sure And you know, we got talking about it my favorite part of the entire segment My favorite part of the entire show actually my favorite thing since WrestleMania. I've seen of all of television. Oh What that we want Roman chant? Oh We are back My goat what other goat do you know? Inlegit, right?
What other wrestler? Has turned face and didn't do anything Didn't cut a promo Didn't save somebody at the end of a match didn't do anything that's that speaks to just how invested we are in this story and the work in just two weeks that Heyman Tama and solo has done That you have turned Roman face And Romans done nothing to be turned face to get a we won Roman chant. We haven't heard that We would have to go back and look the last time we heard a crowd chant we want Roman
So I thought that was awesome too. I'm like, all right all systems go with that. But overall, what'd you guys think? When you talk about that part there for the we want Roman, I don't think I've never seen anybody who just turned face just from losing a match Um, but it I also think that speaks to just the the fans themselves
I don't think they really disliked Roman. They disliked what the bloodline was doing all these years They just wanted Cody to win So now that that is out of the way They can still say hey, I'd rather Take the devil we know than the devil. We don't know but what I find interesting in this whole thing so far This is not the second week that solo would not allow Paul Heyman and say that we're a tribal chief And then the man. Oh, so two fingers up his balloons. Then I find then
We still need to find out what MFT stand for. I know we on the internet have been saying what we think it stands for his mother fucker Tama, but what is MFT? Somebody said my family tree, but that doesn't make sense either. It would make sense if you didn't say my But he said my MFT because then that'll be my my family tree
So maybe it's not how you do. Yeah. I don't know what it means. Yeah, but solo looks good though um And it just goes back to I'm thinking about um the interview that we saw or the documentary saw with roman I mean even Some other I think interviews I heard woman do Where he's just talking about I'm doing this to uplift my family Everything that I'm doing I'm doing this so that now I can give them a chance and give them a chance And just to think that the solo that we saw last friday
And he's been there. What two years now a year and a half two years And I just feel like I don't think he would have gotten this good if he just went the normal trajectory of being called up to the main card And working working working working like it is something that's so true and valuable in poly we know that too But to be attached to roman and that he is making these people better
Jimmy's the only one that sounds like the exception to the rule, but I think that's also the character of jimmy, but like It's like you touch roman and you get better and think about that
We look at your john sienna. We look at rest in peace very white You look at some of these people who when you touch them and you wrestle with them You're probably maybe not elevated after them and as these people who's going against roman He has a thing in the aura to keep his aura But also to to bring other people up and that that takes a really really Skill that is almost like divine like it's hard to do that Well, it's presentation. E like so think about
Solo's presentation. Let's only take presentation. They've done more with solo in the last two weeks and they've done with him in the last four months Right, but this is all by design and we had talked a lot about jimmy's persona and how he's come across as
A comedy act. He's not being taken serious now. We know in my opinion. Anyway, that was completely done by design Because that gives you a completely different optic than what tama and solo is going to bring as the head of the bloodline opposed to We watched jimmy for comic relief for these last three or four months So I think it again speaks to the presentation and how they have these people slide it for specific reasons
I love that but you know, you gotta remember jimmy been jimmy for about the past year They just signed tama a couple months ago But I love how you can roll all that in because the storyline is there for it, right and Going back to something um, rodigio said and I was I was tuned in to assist too, but I forgot what she said But one thing to kind of spark is like a 10 second effect I do like yeah, yeah, I can only catch it for about 15 20 seconds
But you admit your mission just break in next time. Just start talking next time. We'll lay out like even though I was in I want I want to see what she was going. I'm like, all right. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah uh Right, right, but um For me, uh, what I thought it was like 21. I think I think ease might be a day late on celebrating 420 No, he's right. Forget the name of the tea. What's in your tea? Blackberry Okay
Oh, I put a little I put a little cinnamon in that too, man. Just add a little spice to it. Mm-hmm but I was thinking about a vintz man right now The bloodline story started with vintz in charge Which no vintz likes to get hands on On like these things especially when it's hot. He likes to get in there He don't like he ain't like he don't like you just kind of let you do your thing, right? And I kind of feel like if vintz was still involved
He would have effed this up somehow. He would have tried to change something He would try to do something to solo or somebody I don't think we would be getting what we got because I think that they're letting Roman Paul and everyone who's involved cook like I get I've heard that Michael Hayes is is is heavily involved A lot of the backstage stuff too. I I think that like triple H less people cook like all right you guys You got it, right? Whatever resources you need when I support you need
I'm here for you. I'm gonna let y'all cook right whereas I feel like mr. Man like all right. Let's let me get a couple of your tensils. Let's put a little spice in this He's trying to get in there and he would have effed it up a little bit, right? So I think his kudos to trip waste for allowing No, genius man be genius man, which I think is great But going back to solo man, I think uh, it really spoke to me
Watching him because I was like man. I like uh, I don't know. He can really be in that lead role And man, I was wrong man. He looks he came out in that suit when he came on the suit. I knew It was big business. Yeah, I know he was standing on business on Friday night when I saw him out in that suit I'm like, oh that man look good and he had nerves to have the thumb tape So he like he try and tell you that all right. I'm suiting and booted but I'm gonna whoops somebody asked to
I'm still off that action post. Somebody gonna get the thumb And I love that man. Whoa Somebody gonna get the thumb. I told you We getting started early on this Sunday morning There you go. No pause full go somebody getting that thumb and then In tomatanga everyone's just playing a role perfectly, right? Like tomatanga looks like a crazy pit bull out there Yeah, like don't he he ain't said nothing but he already seems like diabolical like he seemed like he's unhinged
Like and he hasn't said anything his attack. It looks seemed so vicious on these dudes Like he was giving k.o and jimmy last week the business Like right like I so didn't really even had to get in there because tom was doing everything man This this is the first time in a long time where the bloodline Looks very very vicious like without championships So two questions for y'all one is tribal chief from the storyline that they've shared with us And just if you know
Are they the highest of of all of them? That's one and two I think every week we should do it until it comes out if tribal chief chief is the highest Who do we think is the tribal chief as of this moment? Because solo still is presenting himself as someone important But I'm not willing to say that he's a tribal chief
I still think there's somebody else at work here. The door's still open. Yeah Yep, I think could be the rock and that he's because this is very important that He will not let pauli say the tribal chief or even use that word So who do y'all y'all think? solo Who he is? um, what y'all say As of today I think it's the rock pulling the strings. Okay I agree. I mean it'll be it'll be perfect to kind of slot him in whenever he's going to be back
That's the thing. We don't know when a rock is coming back. What should be cool. Could it be a surprise when he does? Pop up Is the highest I'm sure it is But his story they can always change it though, right? They can always We don't know like with the with a high priest did with a tribal chief I didn't know what a tribal chief was until four years ago when roman mentioned it, right?
I don't know anything by any of that stuff. Actually, you know what? I take my answer back. I don't think it's the rock. I do think it's solo because I just go back to Uh, when he showed up it was he was sent from the elders Oh, unless the elder is the rock He's like and roman always knew who the elder was Because like roman never like roman always looked at solo like he was scared of solo Oh
And he really didn't do that with the rock. He does his issue with rock was I need you to acknowledge me Like we know who you are, but you need to Tell everybody who I am and then after rock acknowledged him everything was all good. Yeah as fans We tried to act like which we wouldn't have made any sense. The rocks don't turn on roman like roman doesn't trust the rock There was nothing on camera that ever showed that after
Roman told rock to acknowledge him and he did it. So then now I got it. Okay. I'm only taking everything as face value That's the face value piece of it That means that there should be nothing that shows that the rock is ahead or over roman now Just because he lost but solo has always been that guy even night too. He was telling roman do like get up man Let's go. Let's finish. Yeah, like that that I've never seen like anybody yell at roman. Yeah, right?
Everyone actually kind of worked on eggshells like So I was telling what to do like hey get your ass up Finish this out Like you know what I mean, and then it wasn't like roman wasn't like hey man, you know Slow your row, right? He's like he's answering. I know I'm getting up get up faster right Did y'all see the story that came out this week about how cody was supposed to win at 39
In the they changed the finish. Yeah, just real quick Rest of me at 39 cody rose face roman reigns blah blah blah blah blah
Fans were shocked when reigns went on to retain the title thanks to a huge assist from solo. However, that was not always the plan according to wrestler observer Cody rose was originally slated to defeat reigns at mania 39 The decision that vince big man and triple h were behind the report says a lot happened behind the scenes And that all parties agree that delaying cody's big moment a year would be even better part of the argument
Was that keeping the title reigns for another year would open up a story for jey uso to become a bigger Single star it is noted that vince made the call but that triple h agreed to it happening At no point was it considered big man overruling triple h or anything of that nature So I wanted to bring that up at that point because two things one for it is a to your point of roman saying like hey This is for me putting all of my family in a better light. This is what this is about
If that's accurate once again, that's wrestling observer. I'm only taking it. Hopefully it's face value number two That means even more to what I was trying to lend credence to when chan michael's was on busted open and he made the comment of
If roman says no, it's gonna be really interesting. It's gonna be an uphill battle I think Out of I think roman did it for all the right reasons, of course But I think last year if that report is accurate Was probably the time that roman kind of flexed his muscle of
This isn't the right call right now. And I think what shan was saying was What's happened before if roman says again, like I don't think this is the right call Let me explain you why roman has enough stroke to where maybe they just don't go with it But I think they really put it taken into an advisement and say well roman isn't saying that And because they keep talking about this and they haven't been like
Uh really specific and I would love to know what they mean by it whenever they've been talking about roman the last few weeks Like behind the scenes. It's a lot of he's changed the business forever on camera And backstage And I would just love to know that backstage piece like what do they mean? He's changed the business forever. They haven't spoke about it. So I just wanted to bring it up. So I thought that was super fascinating
The effects are down now. It's going away. Oh, is he is he down to the brooklyn levels now? Take a sip. He I actually I might be because I actually I remember what I was gonna say Really quick about Tony kind I'll say look he went all the way back. Okay. Yeah I remember because like for some reason like you brought back breast of man 39 remind me what I was going to say
About five minutes ago. It was a correlation. Did you read the article that uh, Tony kind of said about why he released the footage? Yes, no, I did not Well, essentially he was saying that he he he He know just pushed back And online didn't like it but it made the network happy
And it created a number and sometimes you got to satisfy and do things for the for the network. There you go Yeah, but then I thought about I wonder I wonder what the network thinks Like a week later like you lost 60,000 people and there you go And and that's why I didn't want to bring it up because I didn't want to feel like we were dog polynomial But he brought them basically say that ratings are the number one
Indicator like on fan interest and such and it's like well, you don't really truly believe that because typically dynamite loses viewers After every segment they'll start above a million that first and you can say it's because big bang theory is you know There's a lot of different reasons or it could be legit a million people are tuning in Every week for that first 15 minutes to see what you're going to give them But that number keeps dropping so if that is the case then you would have to say
Somebody would have said at some point like hey, tell me why does this show start off with higher ratings than it always finishes with So then that has to be there is something with what you're presenting isn't working. That's why I kind of don't believe
He thinks that I think they did it to pop a number. I think they did to be spiteful But the story just didn't work because even the story that the hardies not the hardest I'm sorry the bucks are trying to tell with that And somebody brought up a great point on social media last week and I forgot about it until I saw that FTR and the bucks teamed together The week after all in at all out Remember that eight man tag and we talked about I was like this is going to be like
I forgot to just mention it. Yeah, I forgot you can't rewrite history of like now That's the reason why you lost it all in because like your friend like mm-hmm I digress big time um
So I'm a digress too. So the reason why they want to talk about the cody thing it's because so in hindsight Maybe it was the right decision for him not to win right because it was absolutely, you know, it was We're bad and at the time it's still going to go down as one of the worst things or but what you can do I would love I would love Like I said, I would love to there's two things I would love to see
I don't know. I love to see this one thing. I think it'd be an interesting story if they kind of break down the like the pandemic Like those pandemic years the mass versus an hour mass use this that whole time period Like maybe 10 years 15 years now. It kind of is lighting up a little bit because that was a very interesting time period For the world in our country like the way it was handled people's reaction the infighting etc. The other thing is like this whole bloodline and then
Coalage in interjection into it. Like right what happened at 39 How like wrestling is seem like everything is like, you know those things to where I was talking to Matt like sometimes like God just puts things in place for you and anything's happened for a reason, right? And you think about that last year like so 39 someone made the change and Cody's supposed to win but now he's not gonna win right upsets me and Dave the greca Like I almost stopped me and Dave. We didn't talk about it
But I think we was on the same page in new york and new georgia. We almost stopped watching wwe Right, right? I don't think David was about to stop watching. No, he said it. He said on the show man. I was right there Like my idol My idol Dave the greca We was we on the same page. So Then you go into the next year, right? Cody wins that rumble Right points at roman. I'm coming for your ass Just to a week later Nope, I'm giving it to rock We're gonna get rocking roman
Something happens we get the the cody moment movement. I should say And now we get a tag team but it seemed like everything happened the way it happened to make a bigger event for 40 Good 40 end up being one of the biggest manies ever with one of the most lovable finishes like right Like you can't like make up what happened like no, Samantha Irvins like her announcement of cody right just the Emotion you see ricky stark self in the sky box man and you know, they hugging like, you know
You know like like the best thing has happened in the world, right? And like I don't know if you would get all those same motions with same feeling that same announcement on 39 And I don't know if you get all that without rock it'd be interjecting to the storyline as the final boss Like all these things Just changed up and happened For the better and you can't paint a better picture sometimes like the more organic natural thing
Ordered the things. It's the best thing instead of forcing A narrative to happen, right or or eat other parts You can look at it too is that you have people who know what they're doing And then hey, we need to pivot and let's make it the best pivot possible pivot like a muller, right? Yeah, because it's still a work and that's so like that's the great thing about wrestling. We were sitting here watching I think I may have been watching the playing I was watching the play in tournament
Earlier this week or last week and I was sitting there. I was talking to Matt and I was like Wrestling really is the best of everything From an art form like a sports art form and I'm like You watch wrestling say if you could only watch one thing So, you know, either is wrestling or it's football either is basketball or is UFC either is boxing or it's whatever Wrestling does everything
Wrestling gives you the soap opera that the the drama it gives you comedy. It gives you music. It gives you sports It gives you fighting It basically just gives you all of that and then when you look at something like 40 where you are paid off Of your investment in your time
And typically you're guaranteed in wrestling, right? Because you don't have to worry about all that match ended in the First round knockout with 20 seconds all that build up for nothing or man I thought X team had a chance and they got blown out by 30 in the first quarter game is already over and we got another hour and a half Wrestling you know, you're gonna sit down if you get the main event You're gonna get a great work match and be 20 plus minutes, etc.
Etc. But yeah, man, like I just think that they did an incredible job with 40 like it worked out all the way It was supposed to and rock He's not instrumental in that But if it was one person That I think you can like point to this say like amen. You really made This much more special It was a rock It was a rock. Did you see did you guys well? I know where did you saw I showed it to you? E. Did you see that video?
That was online. I posted it too of Seth coming into the ring and then in Superman punch and just watching his leg Just like flying the wind like there's nothing connected in his knee. Oh, I didn't see that Check that out. Um, actually pull it up now
Lies just so I can get your reaction on it. Just look at I think it's maybe the last video that I tweeted out But yeah, you see Seth like kind of limping to get into the ring with the cheer he has And then Roman Superman punches him and so he sells it and when he his legs go up his right leg It legit looks like dangling. Yeah, it looked like a broken rubber band and it's like that man. They have word yourself then or
No before that. Hmm Yeah, because the rock so now we know why the rock came out and said Seth was the MVP because yeah on screen. You're like, oh, he's MVP because hell of a match on night one Hell of a match on night two came in with the shield piece at the main event But it's like no because he worked with a horrible Knee injury that he's already had surgery on But I saw that and I was like Yeah, yeah I saw that. Yeah. Yep. Yeah
It just tickles you inside. Yeah, man. It was just flailing flailing in the air. So shout out to Seth, right? Um, so yeah, so that was that was that uh, what about tag titles? What'd you guys think? They look like the one-wing angel ring championship The one-wing angel Mute up that's fine because that's easy back. Thank you. All right. Go ahead. See you
Take care. Actually, no, you can't leave yet because I need you to uh speak to The horrible trash ass decision of the battle royal for the raw women's title So hold hold hold that hold that peak because you need to pay for your crimes on that Uh, so e would you think about those tag titles? Look, I like it. Um, I kind of like that design more than the the built one raw But again, the raw titles are still upgraded over the the copper the penny titles
I think it's upgraded over the silver red and blue. Um, so But I do like the tactic. I think it looks More, um, I think, you know, one thing I don't like about the raw. I don't like the red I think they made that black. It would have made the gold pop a little bit more
Okay. Um, but I like the classic very classic Look of the the Smackdown championships and I also love about both championships the name and the look Is that When let's say this draft comes up if they need to you know swap the tag team champions They don't have to do that stupid belt swap thing that's what Becky had to do. Yep, right? The titles they don't have a raw brand name stuck to them or Smackdown. I think it's It's more of a universal classic title
Or naming of the title belts. So I love it. I love what tripways done He's taken off a lot of the old like basic man and Kevin Dunn stuff Like I don't know what they're doing these belts, but we're getting more classic and I think ultimately I'll get looking titles. I love it We didn't talk about it on air Did you you guys saw that they're switching their moniker from sports and entertainment
To pro wrestling, right? I think I did not see that. We talked about that. We talked about that. I think you and I that was one of the changes that Triple H was talking about is they still may use sports entertainment, but we're going to hear Pro wrestling much more than we have in like decades in WWE I Was to your point about some of what Triple H is doing to kind of like I love that some of those nasty tropes
Yeah, I do love that, but I wonder for people and again, they don't they're not hurting people They're not hurting for business But I wonder for those people who don't watch pro wrestling What I be more apt to watch something that said Pro wrestling or sports entertainment if I'm somebody who's never watched I probably would be looking for more to sports entertainment Then pro wrestling, but again, they're not hurting for business. So But I know I
I feel you on that one. What is it? But you know, I think basic man is always trying to push that sports entertainment No moniker, but I don't think even the casual wrestling fans fail for it Like right, this is a lot of things they do fall for but I don't think that they still Like we always got it. Oh you watch you know, you know that rass on the fake, right? Yep, they don't say oh, you know that sports entertainment is fake. You know
You know that rass on this fake, right? Like you're like, I've never I've never heard anybody Call it sports entertainment ever not in a regular conversation. No one, right? Yeah, and then the sports entertainment came with that negative condensation of The really bad wwe product that we used to get because what I would get like Like when I talk to people when we first started the podcast and I was like, oh, you started the podcast. What's it about?
I was about um, you know, we talked wwe and aw. Oh you watch wrestling I didn't would ever think you watch wrestling Right, right. They say oh you watch sports entertainment. Oh, wow. I didn't think you watch. No
Is all I so I don't think I don't think that's her. I'm really stuck But I'm more on the marketing side because when you look at the wwe sports entertainment In someone who has no idea of any of this and I'm an investor I'm somebody who okay Should I take my time to watch this sports entertainment sounds more broad than pro wrestling I love pro wrestling and I think triple h has done everything he can to identify who he is And his wwe versus what Vince was
But I'm just looking at it like on the marketing side of on the grand scale of things sports entertainment. I actually I do like it I actually do. I love that he caught his um wrestler superstars I I did those are probably two things of that Vince did that I actually really did like But I'm all for pro wrestling because that's what it is. It's pro wrestling. Um, so at my heart, I love it So, you know, when I see a girl walk by, you know, I will use
Tushy, right? But when I'm thinking my mind, I said yes I'll say my mind. That's a big ass, right? So yeah, it's sportsman change. Tushy. I'm saying but we know it's a big ass We know that's what it is, right?
But I will say this though I do like the sports entertainment term as well But I think that wwe and because of nascio Vince Like we's are almost like circus sole It's a brand that people identify with so regardless of what they call it I think that people are buying the wwe and I think initially the moniker that it is So I think wr but I'm with you. I don't I didn't mind the title sports entertainment. I think it was fine um, but
I think it's I think it's one of things tomato tomato. Am I right? I don't think it really matters The the definition of tushy Is the fleshy part of the human body that you sit on? Mm-hmm. E you have just named episode 127 T and tushies T and tushies So speaking of t
Is it is it tiffy time y'all there go t t tiffy time. Oh, yeah, it's been it's been her time That woman finished That's mack down show laid out two Baby faces to cheers She laid two baby faces out at the room at the elimination chamber and got cheers She's about to be out of here and they they look like they switched back to her old music, which is fantastic Which is great attention to that. Okay. Oh my god, rodija mat We got talking about your boys deaf rebel. Whoever's behind that man
They ain't putting our bangers now. I got that man They ain't putting our bangers right now. You like that. But you like Bailey's music before uh before I match started. No Okay, it could grow on me, but it should never be something that can grow on me It should be something like boom instantly. You love it. But I let's see here's the thing diy I like their music now. Of course, it doesn't compare to their original in my heart at all
But if you had to change it, I don't know why you can't change it back. But if you had to change it I am okay with their music now But it should be something that pops. It should be something that the moment that You hear it. You get hype and you feel something and I don't feel like oh my god. I'm about to watch this favorite woman's wrestler You know, I mean you don't you don't get that from it It sucks Yeah, like I mean like we sitting here trying to know man. It just sucks like
I don't ever wish anybody to lose their job. I don't like I think that's kind of crazy. But they got every tour weaver Yeah, they gotta sit him down and just say hey, man What are you doing in there? What are you doing here? Like what what are we doing? Everything everything we give you we get it back is worse than what you are replacing It feels like an old school kind of like the lions do jerseys. Hey, no, no write ups
Get it right up like he's on a pink. Come on. Yeah, like one of those wasn't worth like a final warning A couple months ago or a couple years ago
We need one. It feels it feels like these are um music one two three four five six seven eight nine ten and Smackdown versus raw the video game the generics boys Yeah, that's that's what it was that's what it feels like and I was happy my my my character my creative character probably came out on Music number seven and that's probably what we got Would be it would Bailey music number seven That's horrible
That's horrible, but it is indeed it is indeed tippy time. Y'all cuz she's a she can watch it look like a star always though She can watch it looking like a star and like man I hope when we talk about like her the name of her finisher Prince Moonsaw ever it might that might be the most fitting name of a finisher I've ever seen because
It was perfect. She perfectly hit two women with that moonsaw Like do you see like the the the rotation she had and I know she was a gymnast or something like that, man But it's just It's just perfectly executed man the hops boom boom boom boom like everything about that just looks phenomenal. She looks great Um, it's also look who's looking great like Bianca up there in in that box
She's looking phenomenal like right her in jay her in jay man. I said again I said imagine seeing those two women out somewhere and you have no idea who they are crazy like eyes Attached to them the entire time they are there like they just do that when they walk in a room It once again, he just goes back to presentation even down to when she hits each Wrong or the rope prettiest moonsaw ever and she hits the move that adds to her finish
Yep, like imagine they didn't say that when she does that is yeah, it still looks great It just doesn't have this the same feeling to it. That's why presentation is just so important But I'm excited to see what they do with her and where she goes uh, but she is positioned very well and their plan is not to have her as a Snarky baby face They won't have to work to get the crowd to boo her
She might be like she might she might be like uh, romey like right. She might just be so outlandish and over the top that yeah You like her but you can't in good faith Like, you know, wish her over somebody else. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's it's almost like it's almost like when your kid, you know, says they say something like
Like my kids do it all the time. They say something they shouldn't say like right and I gotta look the other way and not laugh And then I got a chastisement afterwards Oh, yeah, right because you yeah, man. You look you you only 10 you can't be saying stuff like that man What's wrong with you right my mind like hey, it was good. I was good one. All right, but I can't tell him that and I can't say that in the room, right?
But what I hope for we have this draft coming up and that's one thing we I think we should do at some point before the draft is We should do our own little mock drafts Right before the actual draft And I would love for a Yep, so we got a win. Do you know Wednesday? Yeah, we gotta do Wednesday. We got it. All right. Let's do it But so Tiffy, I hope that like I feel like smackdown Has too many women at the top Right and I feel I feel like she would be perfect
Currently, right? I will know what the month one of the day is gonna look like it's a roster's right with the draft However, if she was on raw right now, there's so much TV time that they definitely can give her, you know Backstage segments interviews whatever they need to give her to kind of keep boosting her up there, right? And you never want to see Rhea get hurt But from a storyline if they're gonna try to stick to the draft
This is the perfect time to get an injury. Yeah, because to you what you just said say if the plan was not for her to be On the opposite show is Rhea. Maybe you put her in the opposite show is Rhea now You know depending on freezing me out four to six months or whatever it's going to be So speaking of her these are feet to the fire because you are the the female voice of this podcast
Battle Royal how you how you getting mad at me? Battle Royal that they didn't for the women's world title Get the fuck out of here
Battle Royal. That's the best we could do The battle Royal because I feel like it has something to do with the draft I think in their mind, they feel like Uh, and again, who knows but in my mind, I feel like they have to make sure that there is a champion going into this draft I think it's terrible I think we should do a tournament and I think the winner of the tournament should win it
Or could have been that's Cindy. It's a Cindy Loper interpretation of tournament. I'm so excited for this one Hey, but you talk about hey, you guys are hypo and no live being a champion Maybe this is an easy way to get her because she can definitely win in this scenario, right? Yeah Yeah, she was going against nyan. She wouldn't win But if she won't win in a battle royal, she absolutely could win. I could see that
Somebody's slipping a banana peel and fall out. All right. Okay. So how about but how about this when I saw the battle royal? I was like, okay, so it's gonna be somebody who wouldn't win a tournament Like but it could be good though No, live can win a tournament live can win a tournament No, I Okay, I'm talking about somebody who you would look at and like they went in on like a fluke like a legit like How is Chelsea green the women's royal champion?
That's not happening though, right? We're not gonna see Chelsea as a champion. But with with nia in the mix It's like all roads leads the cody all roads lead through nia. So you telling me that in just a shoot fight Wrestling match that live in nia live will go over but I can see it more in a battle royal Typically the biggest person doesn't win the battle royal. This is the Andre the giant battle. Really? Yeah, right? I would say the name of the that I would want Yeah, like if this was
I think nia should get a nice little run with it. I think that would be fun. Yeah, I think that would be fun If she wins it, but I was super disappointed in that announcement And so I think that that wasn't the original plan. I think they would announce that last monday Man, let me tell you something you aaw haters man. If this happened on aw tv and tony book that we'll be all over man
Y'all be y'all be open arms trip ways do it. We're gonna wait and see y'all y'all ridiculous, man We talked about but so you know, I I'm the one that brought up that this was a bad idea And you just championed it. Oh, but we you you just basically just went over real quick. You'd be killing it It was aaw same on you. Do you hear this?
I can't I can't hear you anymore You threw your wife under the bus because of this I had nothing to do with it, but we just know that they had a hurry up and get somebody That they had a hurry up and talking to crowds. Yeah, this is they's one move on real quick But I just felt like this would have been so much better. Don't do it You have queen of the ring in may right may or june. Oh, no
Too late. No, just well to your point because of the draft So you gotta you gotta gotta take care of that now, but I'll tell you something else and I'm I'm Done with too. I'm ready for it to be over. He just said I gotta hurry up and move on real quick LWO. All right, it's enough I'm over it. But it's been time though. Yeah, I try to like just keep giving them time and was like, all right
I'm driving comes. Okay. Maybe we do some with him and Zelina in the LWO. I'm over it Carlito Please turn on kill them all like break the break the break the let's turn now and let's get this It ain't it ain't working boss the LWO in the final testament are the two Org factions that they Should I put on there, man? Hey, I did I did like we look at the authors of pain and that little tag match there's some big dudes though, didn't they?
There was something big looking dude. I'm like when they walk in the ring, they look like somebody I just wish they had a manager part. It wasn't ain't it No disrespect to that man, but get them a mouthpiece and they go be all right and getting with carrying cross Uh, carrying cross stays put the title on them. That's number one number two the profits Do something with them. Thank you. Yes. We're here. This is the pivotal moment for them
Yep. Montez is not a solo star or arrears about the college solo star Here we go. This is the prime opportunity to make them the new tag team champions Have a meaningful run and if Montez stays in his corny character, so be it. I guess if it's you character wise go for it and and thriving it but this is now the time to put the belts on them. I'm sorry. I tell y'all It ain't gonna happen That sucks
Too quick things and we can get out of here. Ritiza keeps saying she's got go to bathroom. So I am going to Give you this Ritiza and then you are good to scamper away because the last part is just the releases on WWE Rich sent me a great question my guy rich He was listening to the pot Yesterday and he said great discussions surrounding the four horse woman You guys need to rank the shield
And he said maybe that's tough. Maybe it's not and I said, okay. What's the criteria? He says it's up to you Just make it the hardest answer as possible So let's go with ranking the shield in regards to industry Impact I'm sorry. Okay, you said industry impact. Yep In industry we mean like sales we mean like um visibility to the product or we taking that up for interpretation So either Matt froze or we don't know dance
I ain't froze. I said it already So busy paying attention We can't we can't tell when he being quiet when he freezing on his phone Yeah, she's she's so busy typing stuff in talking about how but she she ain't got a penis and she needed p and all this Like this answer the damn question so you can go to the bathroom. I'm over it now Can I get five full seconds to think let's see you got yours already Why don't you go ahead and I'll go ahead and talk to us in time and you go take your pee
How about that? I don't mind It's gonna be Roman Moxley Seth Do you would like me to elaborate Roman goes without say because I think that maybe mines too I think that maybe and that's no discount to Seth because if we're talking yeah, yeah, because if we're talking like just best wrestlers He's not third. I think regardless whatever you look at roman's number one
Of course in my opinion on my list. He's number one in anything that you look at but yeah, if we were talking about wrestling ability he's number two promo ability mox is probably still number two If not, maybe number one mox may be the best promo out of the three of them But if we're just talking about impact mox has done way too much and like all these other promotions to not put him Second I'm going Roman I'm going Roman Seth and then mox Because I think that
Because I'm saying that because in the past couple years Roman, I'm sorry Roman is Roman, right? He's on another level. I think that Seth has done more on a higher stage Then mox mox has done great for aew and all those new japan's I think on a industry level And a visibility standpoint. I think there's more eyes On what wwe has been doing over the past couple years
Then aw new japan and cabaline to be honest with you. Um, yes It is as mox an MVP for aw Um, sure Um, right and his realm was probably at the at the height of their popularity, right? And once he lost the championship and he's kind of been going downhill, but there's other factors that's been included that Um, I think his run currently has a new japan championship. I don't think it's champion
Right. I don't think it's gonna necessarily have a huge impact. Um, I think right now within the past year Seth has been You know doing some things like I haven't been huge on his run But I can't deny that fans are there for him like he's chanting his name and we did a verse mania 40
He's a big intricate intricate part of that. I just think over the past and maybe his recency bias Like I just feel like over the past couple years Seth has done more to kind of Overstep moxley, but I think it's like a 1a 1b with those two I think it's you I don't think it's the wrong answer But just for me, I'm a go more recently in the past couple years Seth's been on the tear I don't think it's that close again for me personally because I look at if somebody's watching the promotion
They're watching it for moxley If you're watching wwe is not just for Seth. So that's why when you say industry-wide That's the reason why I have moxley over Seth. I'm going to be watching wwe regardless if Seth is there or not There are people who are watching those other promotion because of moxley and what he brings
So to me that is more impactful for the industry. So to me it's completely Uh, uh, it's not close at all for me But with all that being said it still goes without saying Seth is definitely the MVP of wrestling if you have Seth you had orange castity just overall in totality These were the people that kept just a company to these companies together kept wrestling together And it almost like blasted me to speak bad on Seth, but to me it is just
There's no difference. I mean, there's it's not close at all between moxley and Seth. This was probably the easiest ranking I've ever done You know, I mean, I just think that like the answer is roman at one and then whatever you want to do with two or three
I got it. It's kind of one of those like I would like this isn't a one where I'm like All right, man It's getting in a strong debate about it because I could see all sides of it I mean even down to Like triple h saying like hey when you got to start up a new belt You give it to Seth and tell him to do what he do And like now that lineage is set for that title that comes with that comes with something that's saying that moxley couldn't do that But then I can just argue and say moxley made
aw along with Jericho a legitimate threat when he first showed up But I think I think that's a great question. We love to hear Everybody anybody's thoughts. Let me know put it of course on twitter or youtube. We'll talk about it on on wednesday But I thought that was a good one, but I do think no matter what you got to put roman first if you would to put moxley First I would doubt probably where I would have the issue Two nope, but one I'd be like, okay. That's not right
Last thing uh and on wednesday two riddies and write this down. I want to talk about the rat beef I want to talk about the correlation and how pro wrestling plays a part in like rat beefs and then Uh, some other things too that I want to talk about so we'll talk about like the draft on wednesday rat beef And then was the other thing that oh the the top 10 wrestlers on each side which one has the best wrestlers you go with 10
Yeah, we did 10. Yeah 10 or 15 Uh, wb releases releases on friday night gender mahal zayali beer
sangha and uh, how do you say his name? I forgot. I know his last name is quinn quinn zayan quinn. Yeah zayan quinn or um interesting Any thoughts on my only thoughts really on um The releases or who was released was I think gender Way exceeded expectations on his run Particularly when he had the title And I think they consistently missed and dropped the ball on zayali I think where she's gonna be fine wherever she goes, but she's one that I didn't understand the start stop
gimmick start stop characters When they're going with her then they're not going with her. I think there's money behind her I'm ditto That's exactly what you said um so I feel two different ways about this. I feel I feel why release them if You are a billion dollar company
You can afford to have them on your roster. You can afford to keep them on payroll so they can have constant money coming in That's probably just speaking on the outside looking in But internally if you are a wrestler and you're doing this as a passion you probably want tv time you probably want to Be out In wrestling in front of the crowd and if you're not getting that
Then let me go go find somewhere else that I can't do that. So again I i'm kind of conflicted on this because again, you don't have to release those people because in reality It's probably not even a million dollars worth of money right there in contracts that you're talking about But at the same time if they can go and do something Yeah, I would say probably yeah, so what would that mean is four of them for five people
I would say probably jenice probably making the most. I don't know if the others were probably Making much more than their nxt contract. They're not missing. They're not they being wwe is not going to be missing out on that money but for me Are they happy are they happy that they're released are they happy because they now they can go try to find somewhere else to work Me just looking at it's like you don't need to let these people go because they can keep a paycheck
But again, what's the point in keeping them if you don't have any plans for them too? So i'm just conflicted Yeah, I don't think anybody wants anybody lose their job and you know I'm sure they have families and they want to support themselves um, but just from a wrestling fans perspective just from my perspective
I'm not gonna miss seeing any of them on my television. I wasn't a big fan of industry I've seen enough of them to say that I was good with not seeing them um Jenner like I actually enjoy his his run at the top with the Bodywood boys a lot more than I thought looking back on it. I thought he did a really good job with that I'm I've been over in recent years. They haven't done much with them. But when he was on my tv screen, I was like, uh
Ziya Lee, I was a fan of hers. I wish they could have found something for her to do. I mean she had that Uh championship match with the with Becky, right and it was okay. Um, right and then she went over nxc around the same time period two champions I don't know that was like a kind of to see check her temperature to see what she can do what she can give and maybe didn't work out um, but She was probably the person I probably all man. I wish they could have found something for her to do
You know, I hope in a chair find something else. I'm not sure where they can go I was the fan of the work in the ring on the mic I don't know. Um gender. I'm sure he wrestling in his blood. He's gonna find something to do You know, he he could probably bring his talents to like tna Um, give another personality. He was that he's a personality He can go there and do something for them for that show. I don't see a aw check it off
He's type of wrestler that Tony con looks for. Um, ziya lee to be honest with you man. She's a wwe baby Like right. I don't think yet. He needs prior experience to the rest of industry indies prior to going wwe I honestly can see her kind of just you know, like aliyah and like those type of girls I don't know. We're here for her again. I hope so. I hope that you know, she gets with somebody and she She can kind of reday view
You know on a a I'm not a that I'm for aw taker. Um, maybe like tna or something like that um I hope she makes it. Oh, I hope to see her again. Um, I felt like she had the look Of a star um, I don't know. She had the other qualities that's necessary, but I gotta be honest with y'all man. I mean, we don't want to see anybody lose their jobs, but You know
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