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That's a Bad Sign

Serial killers, cold cases, missing persons and conspiracy theories... there's no topic these two women won't cover. Hosts Emily and Liz discuss a new true crime case every week, diving into gruesome details, while managing to keep the mood light.
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Black Dahlia and the the Chowchilla Bus Kidnapping

Elizabeth Short, aka the "Black Dahlia," was just 22 years old when she was brutally murdered in Los Angeles on January 15, 1947. Not only was it a horrific crime, but it’s also proven notoriously difficult to solve. We dive into all the interesting facts most people don't know and discuss who the prime suspect is. Then we cover the case of the Chowchilla bus kidnapping. 26 children and their bus driver were taken more than 45 years ago: they were placed into a moving truck and buried alive in a...

Mar 31, 202238 minSeason 1Ep. 67

1984 bio-attacks in Oregon and murder of April and Michael Holton

In September of 1984, at least 751 people got violently sick in The Dalles, Oregon. At first, no one in the town could figure out why. Those sickened had all eaten at ten different restaurants in the area, but local health officials couldn’t find a common food that may have caused their illness. A year later, the public learned the sinister reason the town fell ill. Then we dive into the case of April and Michael Holton. Less than 15 minutes after a deputy left the home of the former mayor, guns...

Mar 24, 202232 minSeason 1Ep. 66

Murder of Diane Kyne and the mysterious disappearance of Leigh Occhi

Diane Kyne died in her Seminole, Florida home, one August afternoon surrounded by two of the men that had been closest to her. One killed the nail salon owner. The other witnessed the murder. But both men—her adult son and husband—quickly pointed the finger at the other, leaving investigators baffled about who had really taken her life. Then we cover the story of missing teen Leigh Occhi. She disappeared from her home during Hurricane Andrew, leaving behind a bloody trail. A quarter-century late...

Mar 10, 202235 minSeason 1Ep. 65

Murder of Kara Nichols and the deadly love triangle of Joy Risker, Sheila and Sean Goff

19-year-old Kara Nichols went missing October 9, 2012 after telling friends she was going to a modeling shoot. Soon enough the police learn Kara was an escort and the investigation has a prime suspect in her disappearance. Unfortunately, the case turned cold... until February of 2022 when Joel Hollendorfer was finally arrested. Then we cover the deadly love triangle of young Joy Risker with married couple Sheila and Sean Goff. Joy was a teenager when she met charismatic youth pastor Sean. He con...

Mar 03, 202232 minSeason 1Ep. 64

Murder of Elizabeth Reiser and Brandi Hicks' survival, and the case of Candy Mossler

Brandi Hicks, 18, faced the unthinkable when she was forced to 'play dead' to escape the grips of a crazed killer (Matthew Vaca) who had just murdered her best friend, Elizabeth Reiser. Then we cover “the trial of the century” when a Houston socialite, Candy Mossler, was accused of plotting her husband's murder—and of having an affair with her own nephew. Sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdYLWFMTc0o https://veritycreates.medium.com/the-murder-of-elizabeth-reiser-and-how-her-best-friend-b...

Feb 24, 202232 minSeason 1Ep. 63

Murder of Ricky Cowles and the wife-swap murderer Jacob Stockdale

On August 12, 1997, 20-year-old Ricky Cowles, was found lying on the floor of his home barely alive. A local drug dealer was arrested for his murder, but the case didn't sit right with his family who believed the murderer was still at large. Then we cover the story of Jacob Stockdale. He showed disturbing behaviors on the early-thousands reality show "Wife Swap" only to commit murder a decade later. Police and the public then look to his 30 minutes of fame hoping to find clues. Sources: Dateline...

Feb 17, 202229 minSeason 1Ep. 62

Murder of Gretchen Crain and disappearance of Dr. Margaret Mary Kilcoyne

One morning in 2008, 39-year old Gretchen Crain was working out at her gym in Jupiter, FL, and met a 33-year old personal trainer named David Anthony. Sparks flew immediately and after a few years, the two got married. While David was charming at first, he soon showed signs of violent behavior and mental health issues. Then during COVID-19, Gretchen disappeared and David blamed the deadly virus. Then we cover the disappearance of Dr. Margaret Mary Kilcoyne on Nantucket Island. Kilcoyne was last ...

Jan 27, 202232 minSeason 1Ep. 61

D.B. Cooper and the survival of Jennifer Holliday

Between the years 1961 and 1972, there were 150 planes hijacked in the United States - the most notable and still unsolved is the hijacking by D.B. Cooper. We'll dive into what happened and discuss the top suspects. Then we cover the murder of Ana Franklin and the harrowing survival of Jennifer Holliday. The two were in the car when a stranger pulled up and attacked them. When it seemed all hope was lost, Jennifer's quick thinking saved her life. Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/24/opini...

Jan 20, 202229 minSeason 1Ep. 60

Canadian starlight tours and the murders of the Loftons and the Dewitts

A starlight tour is a practice of police arresting Indigenous people and rather than bringing them to the station in town, police drop them off at the edge of the city. The police take their warm clothes in the middle of a winter night in Canada and force them to walk home. Often resulting in them freezing to death. Then we cover a story that started with a string of home invasions and robberies that began happening in 2008. Each time, two masked men were involved and were careful not to leave a...

Jan 13, 202228 minSeason 1Ep. 59

Murder of Kacie Woodie and serial killer Pedro Rodrigues Filho (aka Killer Petey, the real-life Dexter)

In 2002, 12-year old Kacie Woodie disappeared into thin air from her home in Holland, Arkansas. At first, police are puzzled, until they learn about Kacie's friends who she met online - begging the question, are these internet friends who they say they are? Then we cover the story of Pedro Rodrigues Filho (aka Pedrinho Matador aka Killer Petey). From the 1960s to 2003, Pedro killed at last 71 people, both in and outside jail. 10 of these murders were before he was 18 years old. But instead of pi...

Jan 06, 202228 minSeason 1Ep. 58

Robert Christian Hansen (the Butcher Baker) and the Delphi Murders

When 17-year-old Cindy Paulson is found handcuffed and barefoot on the side of the highway in Anchorage, Alaska foul play is suspected. When she IDs the local bakery owner from town, the police dismiss her story. It's not until the FBI comes to town trying to find a serial killer that the two cases collide. Then we dive into the unsolved crime of the Delphi Murders. 14-year old Liberty “Libby” German and 13-year-old Abigail “Abby” Williams were best friends out for a hike, but they never returne...

Dec 09, 202129 minSeason 1Ep. 57

Thanksgiving murderer Omaima Aree (cannibal) and the attempted murder of Michelina Lewandowska (buried alive)

Omaima Aree was born in southern Egypt in 1968 but moved to the United States as a teenager. In October of 1991, while having a drink at a bar, Omaima caught the eye of a man named Bill Nelson. The two quickly got married, despite their age difference, but the relationship wouldn't make it past Thanksgiving. Then we cover the case of Michelina Lewandowska and Marcin Kasprzak. The two were in a tumultuous relationship, and when Marcin heard Michelina was going to move back to her home country of ...

Nov 25, 202125 minSeason 1Ep. 56

The death of Brooke Richardson's baby and the stalking and murder of Dorothy Jane Scott

Brooke Skylar Richardson was a popular teenage cheerleader with a secret. She was pregnant with her ex-boyfriend's baby. After a few months, her doctor becomes worried there's no sign of a baby. When authorities get involved, everyone begins to wonder - Did Brooke have a miscarriage? Or did she kill her baby? Next, we cover the stalking story of Dorothy Scott. She was a 32-year-old mother living in Stanton, California. After escorting her friend to the hospital, she seemingly vanishes from the p...

Nov 18, 202126 minSeason 1Ep. 55

Murder of Angela Samota and the story of Seemona Sumasar (criminal or innocent woman framed?)

October 1984, 20-year old Angie Samota was found brutally murdered in her off-campus apartment at Southern Methodist University (SMU) in Dallas, TX. Police name a suspect early in the investigation, but a lack of evidence turns the case cold. Thanks to advancements in DNA testing over the years, the police get a second chance at catching a cold-blooded killer. Then we cover the twisted story of Seemona Sumasar. She's charged with robbery and impersonating a police officer. While police are happy...

Nov 04, 202135 minSeason 1Ep. 54

Graham Young aka The Teacup Poisoner and "Only murders in the building" at 393 Powell Street

Graham Young was never a normal child. Rather than spending time with children his own age, he developed a fascination for Adolf Hitler and poison. After attempting to poison his family and being locked away, he's released as an adult - only to continue his poisonous ways. Then we cover the murders of 393 Powell Street. Just this year in 2021 police uncovered a serial killer, picking of victims one-by-one in a Brooklyn, NY apartment building for the elderly. Sources: https://icantbelieveitsnonfi...

Oct 28, 202130 minSeason 1Ep. 53

The Amityville horror house and a list of crimes that have happened in haunted house attractions

Spooky season is here! We first cover the story of the Amityville horror house. The story begins in 1974 when 23-year-old Ronald Jr. crept into the family home and shot his parents and all four of his siblings while they were asleep in their beds. A month after Ronald Jr. was convicted, George and Kathy Lutz moved into the home with their three young children. Only 28 days later they moved out, claiming the house was haunted. Then we cover all the different crimes that have taken place in haunte...

Oct 21, 202131 minSeason 1Ep. 52

Murder of Elizabeth (Bipsy) Amirian and disappearance of Brian Shaffer

Elizabeth (Bipsy) Amirian was a singer and piano player living in California. Her dad was an abusive religious fanatic - but when she and her mom moved out she began to live a normal life.... until she met Mikey Wagstaff. He belonged to the ultra-conservative Seventh Day Adventist church and while he seemed kind, in the beginning, Bipsy quickly realized Mikey was more like her father than she initially realized. Then we cover the disappearance of Brian Shaffer. The last time he was seen, he was ...

Oct 07, 202126 minSeason 1Ep. 51

Murder of Craig Rideout and the survival of Scott Johnston and Sean Farmer

The Rideout family was a rather large family living in upstate New York. Despite Craig and his wife Laura going through a contention divorce, the family of 9 stayed close. But after Craig goes missing and is found in a field several miles away, investigators start putting the pieces together and uncover multiple suspects – even within his own family. Then we cover the case of two hikers who met a stranger on the Appalachian Trail and discovered too late he was armed and dangerous. Wounded and bl...

Sep 30, 202132 minSeason 1Ep. 50

Terry Rasmussen AKA the Chameleon Killer and the murder of Kerrie Brown

Terry Rasmussen was an American serial killer and although he was one of the country's most deadly killers, law enforcement suspects his number of victims is underreported. He would target older mothers, cut them off from their families and friends, then murder them - assuming he isolated them enough that everyone would think these women simply ran away. Then we cover the murder of Kerrie Brown. In 1986 she went to a house party in Manatoba, Canada, only to be discovered two days later murdered....

Sep 23, 202138 minSeason 1Ep. 49

Murder of Cher Hughes and the kidnapping of Tanya Kach

Cher Hughes visited the island of Bocas del Toro, an island off Panama, and quickly decided to make the island her new home. She was peacefully living there for years when her neighbors noticed she was missing. While some thought she simply was on vacation, others began noticing a pattern.... Every few months an island resident would simply "go on vacation" never to be seen again, leaving behind all their possessions. Then we cover the story of Tanya Kach, a 13-year-old girl who was groomed by h...

Sep 02, 202135 minSeason 1Ep. 48

The Craigslist rape of Sarah Kastovny and disappearance of Asha Degree

December 2009 in Wyoming - Sarah Kastovny finds an odd Craigslist add. The caption read: 'Need an aggressive man with no concern or regard for women. If interested, contact Sarah,'" providing her address and a picture of her. The ad gets removed after a few days but unfortunately it's too late and Sarah is attacked. Then we cover the case of Asha Degree. On Valentine's day in 2000 the 10-year-old girl sneaks out of her apartment in the middle of the night, never to be seen again. While authoriti...

Aug 26, 202130 minSeason 1Ep. 47

Murderer Jodi Arias and the Du Pont family scandals

Travis Alexander and Jodi Arias started dating in February 2007. The two had an instant connection, but Travis couldn't see himself marrying Jodi since she wasn't Mormon. While they didn't break up, the two had a tumultuous relationship. One day Travis missed an important work trip. When his dead body was discovered, friends believe Jodi had something to do with it. Then we dive into the Du Pont family scandals. Lisa Dean Du Pont was an heiress and from the outside looking in, her life seemed pe...

Aug 19, 202139 minSeason 1Ep. 46

Murder of Cynthia Epps and the kidnapping of Denise Huskins and Aaron Quinn

James Fountain was living alone in Buffalo, NY when he discovered the dismembered body of a woman in his garage. The victim was a 29-year-old mother of two, Cynthia Epps. The case quickly goes cold until Detective Charles Aronica, who specialized in cold cases, picked up the case 18 years later. Then we cover the home invasion and kidnapping of Denise Huskins and Aaron Quinn. One night the couple is awoken in the middle of the night to men breaking in. Denise is taken hostage while Aaron must fo...

Aug 12, 202138 minSeason 1Ep. 45

Crimes of Candy Montgomery and the life of Gilberto Valle the Canibal Cop

In 1977, Candy and Pat Montgomery moved to their dream home in a suburb of Dallas. Pat had a good job and Candy was a stay at home mom. On the outside, everything looked perfect... But in truth, Candy was bored with her life and wanted an affair to spice things up. The affair, which started out innocent enough, lead Candy down a dangerous path of deception and... murder. Then we dive into the story of NYC's cannibal cop Gilberto Valle. He was a married man with a child, but soon enough his wife ...

Aug 05, 202132 minSeason 1Ep. 44

Disappearance of Suzanne Lyall and murder of Paige Birgfeld

Suzanne Gloria Lyall lived in Saratoga Springs and graduated from high school with honors. She had a love for computers and enrolled in SUNY Albany to further her studies. One day, after work, when walking from the campus bus stop to her dorm she suddenly vanished. In just 2 weeks the police are out of suspects and the case goes cold. To this day the question remains, how could a 19 year old girl vanish from a campus without a trace? Then we cover the case of Paige Birgfeld, a 34 year old mother...

Jul 29, 202133 minSeason 1Ep. 43

Murder of up-and-coming star Dorothy Stratten and the murder of 15 year old Rachel Barber

In 1978, Dorothy Stratten was a teenager working at a Dairy Queen. Seemingly overnight she became a star - first appearing in Playboy, then becoming Hollywood's up-and-coming actress. While some were thrilled with her fame, including friend Hugh Hefner, others (like Dorothy's husband Paul Snider) couldn't stand to see her successful. Then we cover the Rachel Barber murder that shook Melbourne, Australia in 1999. Rachel Barber was a beautiful 15 year old girl, with her life and dancing career ahe...

Jul 15, 202130 minSeason 1Ep. 42

Kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard and the infamous Duke Lacrosse Scandal of 2006

On June 10, 1991, Eleven-year-old Jaycee Dugard, wearing her favorite all-pink outfit, was walking to her school bus stop. When she was halfway there, a gray car approached her. She figured the car was pulling over to ask her for directions. The man driving the car, Phillip Greg Garrido, rolled down the window, and tased Jaycee unconscious … and abducted her. Then we dive into the infamous Duke Lacrosse Scandal. In 2006, the school's lacrosse team threw a party where they invited exotic dancers ...

Jul 08, 202142 minSeason 1Ep. 41

Mysterous death of Phoebe Handsjuk and the kidnapping of Zephany Nurse

Phoebe Handsjuk was 24 years-old from Melbourne, Australia. She was known as a beautiful and charming girl, but struggled with alcohol and sleeping pills - and was in a tumultuous relationship with her boyfriend, Antony Hampel. Her family was worried when she went missing, only to be discovered hours later at the bottom of a trash chute - dead. But the question remains, did she go down this chute on her own? Or did someone throw her down? Then we cover the insanely bizarre case of Zephany Nurse....

Jul 01, 202133 minSeason 1Ep. 40

Long Island Serial Killer (AKA Gilgo Beach Murderer) and the disappearance of Bobby Dunbar

In 1912, Percy and Lessie Dunbar took their sons on a camping trip, only to find that their son, four-year-old Bobby Dunbar, wandered away from the family’s tent and disappeared. After months of searching, the boy was found across the country with another man. While the family and town celebrated the boy's safe return, many people wondered.... was this actually Bobby Dunbar? Then we dive into the Long Island Serial Killer (AKA Gilgo Beach Murderer AKA Craigslist Killer). In 2010, 23-year-old Sha...

Jun 24, 202141 minSeason 1Ep. 39

Mysterious disappearance of Bryce Laspisa and death of Sandra Bland

Bryce Laspisa has been missing since 2013. He was enjoying his sophomore year in college when suddenly he began acting strange. He left his college campus and the next day his Toyota Highlander was found crashed in Castaic, CA with all his personal belongings... but no Bryce. Then we cover the story of Sandra Bland, a black woman who was wrongfully pulled over and attacked by a police officer. After being in jail for three days, her body was found hanging in her cell. Liz and Emily discuss if th...

Jun 10, 202143 minSeason 1Ep. 38
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