#573: A Free World Needs Private Money with Calle

Marty sits down with Calle to discuss Cashu.

Cashu: https://cashu.space/

Calle on Nostr: https://primal.net/calle

0:00 - Intro

0:36 - Programming is art

5:36 - Zooming out on the struggle for freedom

10:23 - Dealing with the pace of change

14:20 - Unchained & Fold

16:13 - Financial privacy

20:43 - Chaumian ecash history

33:34 - Zaprite & SOTE

35:06 - Ecash on bitcoin

42:55 - Hash pools

48:45 - Interoperable systems

52:11 - We need more privacy and more devs

55:24 - Narrative and communication

1:00:45 - Magic stuff that just works

1:10:19 - Nostr as a gateway to bitcoin

1:17:21 - Wrap up

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