Ep. 308: Should We Buy It? Making Financially Terrible Decisions Can Be Fun!

[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me in today's podcast, I asked you why you named in 1946, Jeep CJ 2A Wilbur. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right. [SPEAKER_01]: And we're also going to show why it's lost its entire body. [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot more going on because we're going to talk about everything you need to know about the best selling car in the USA. [SPEAKER_01]: And we've got maybe some exciting news. [SPEAKER_01]: We're bidding on another car.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, should we buy a first generation Ford Explorer and name it Wilbur? [SPEAKER_01]: No, not Wilbur. [SPEAKER_01]: The Jeep is only a Wilbur. [SPEAKER_01]: Name it Perry. [SPEAKER_01]: Perry is the P38 Range Rover. [SPEAKER_01]: Terry's a Tursail. [SPEAKER_01]: The Explorer could be carry. [SPEAKER_01]: So, we've got a lot of confusing names in today's podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: We also have a really fun discussion about how I'm Michael Bancorp, trying to fix an old Jeep and how the company, Michael Bancorp, trying to buy an old Explorer. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say we name it, Harry. [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's get right into the podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey Tommy. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm driving into work this morning and I almost got hit by Wrangler.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, I was parked at that stoplight right by our house and I'm just sitting there listening to my podcasts and all of a sudden I look at my room here and there is just a [SPEAKER_00]: That is coming right at me and doesn't look like they're going to stop. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it was driven by a lady, so I actually drove out into the intersection. [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, before she figured out that there was a car that was stopped at the stop plane. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow!

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I look at my review mirror and guess what? [SPEAKER_00]: What? [SPEAKER_00]: Guess what she was doing? [SPEAKER_00]: Texting. [SPEAKER_00]: She was not just texting. [SPEAKER_00]: She was texting vaping and doing her makeup at the same time. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a lot going on. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot going on. [SPEAKER_00]: Is he person right there texting vaping and doing her eye makeup?

[SPEAKER_00]: So she was looking in the review mirror while she was looking down on her phone while she was vaping. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I make up texting vaping all at the same time. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, would she have hit you if you'd have? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she would hit me, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I would have almost got hit because it was a bus coming the other way. [SPEAKER_00]: And I drove into the middle of the intersection, luckily the bus stopped.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just thinking to myself, not only is this crazy, but is this something that like 20 years from now, your generation is gonna look back upon and say like, remember the crazy stuff we used to do in cars? [SPEAKER_00]: You think that that is something that is not gonna happen anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: You think people are gonna realize just how dangerous that is or is it something that's just too human in us where we can't help, but we're so addicted to the phone, we're so addicted to looking good, we're so addicted to, in this case, I guess, nicotine that we're putting ourselves [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's your take on that? [SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely going to get worse and worse and worse. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, for sure. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that probably back in the 60s, people were also distracted, but they were distracted by other things, right? [SPEAKER_01]: They were always smoking in cars, or they had nine kids in the back, with no seat belts, just wobble it around. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, there's always things that have distracted us. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think today, it's in some ways worse, because now people can rely on automatic emergency breaking and link, keep assist and lane centering.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're able to, [SPEAKER_01]: you know, be more distracted and still operate their cars. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: So I remember, I asked, uh, I asked your grandma, uh, when, um, when, you know, when I got a little bit older, why didn't you guys know that, so your grandfather smoked a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, I remember when they moved to Switzerland from the Czech Republic and they bought their very first new car, which was an open record. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh. [SPEAKER_00]: Remember this car? [SPEAKER_00]: I do, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't personally remember the car, but I do know of the car.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they had to go down and they bought this old full record as a way of showing that they had finally made it as what's her land and that was just a little guy. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like five years old at the time and my mom, your grandma, didn't smoke but your grandma smoked a lot and one of the things that they did to celebrate buying this car was my mom like lit up a cigarette. [SPEAKER_00]: to help celebrate the fact that they had this car.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now there's brand new car with the brand new car smell on their both like, you know, checking away on cigarettes to help celebrate this. [SPEAKER_00]: And I fast for like 30 years later and I asked my mom, like, didn't you know that this was bad for you? [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, no, we had no idea that smoking was bad for you. [SPEAKER_00]: You thought we just felt it was kind of normal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just like, you know, when she got pregnant, they celebrated it by having her drink champagne. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that was another thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying? [SPEAKER_00]: Like back then, [SPEAKER_00]: for people to, and I'm wondering, was it normal, or was it just something that the new was bad? [SPEAKER_00]: Like this woman, I'm sure, knew that it was bad to text, rape, and do make up, and yet she did it anyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it doesn't stop people. [SPEAKER_00]: But you think the thing, you think you believe your grandmother when she said we didn't know that it was bad or you think that they maybe knew that it was bad, but because it was like part of what you did at that time that they did it anyway. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think the results are same, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really matter if they knew we're not, they can do it, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: People still smoke today, you know what's bad. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think it's going to get better. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it's just going to kind of, you know, I think it's going to get worse, especially now that we're all consumed and everything online is on our phone. [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, yeah, it's a structured drive. [SPEAKER_01]: It's bad, but thankfully or maybe not thankfully, the cards are getting safer.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, if that, if that lady wasn't a new Jeep, it wasn't a new Jeep. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a YJ. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was your screw. [SPEAKER_01]: But, [SPEAKER_01]: She probably would have stopped before hitting if she was in a new Wrangler because they've got emergency braking, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So that would have slammed on the brakes or at least minimize the potential accident. [SPEAKER_00]: Well guys, welcome to SIGARRACHAT.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's just card chat. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us. [SPEAKER_00]: Today it's Tommy and myself, and today's topic isn't distracted driving, but it is VRAF4. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to welcome all of our [SPEAKER_00]: Patreon supporters. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry about the little late getting going. [SPEAKER_00]: We had some technical issues, which we sorted out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even the timeiest donation is worth hundreds of [SPEAKER_00]: And today's topic is not, like I said, dopamine addiction or cigarette smoking, but it is the new RAF4, which is the most popular car in the world as Jeremy Clarks would say. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that was the RAF4. [SPEAKER_00]: What I think is the Model Y. [SPEAKER_00]: The Model Y was the most popular car in the world, but it was surpassed recently by the RAF4, which is also the most popular car in America.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying that globally for a while, they sold more a Model Y isn't it? [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for a while. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Tesla was on a, was on a tear, maybe that was why their stock is so incredibly overvalued in my opinion. [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, right now it is the RAF4 and they just introduced three new versions of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the Toyota is kind of going all in on the RAF 4 which makes sense because they sell like I don't know if I think it's like 4,500,000 or more than 450,000 last year. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a huge number. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a huge number. [SPEAKER_00]: There's build them in like three factories to keep up with the man. [SPEAKER_01]: So typically Toyota has a few different other core models. [SPEAKER_01]: They have like the LE, the XLE, XSE, limited.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've got the plug-in hybrid version, but now they're kind of trying to separate some of the models into their own little sub model slash brands. [SPEAKER_01]: So what we're looking at now is we've got the core models, so LEXLE limited, and maybe XSE2.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then you also have the new sporty model called the GR Sport, which is supposed to be like its own little thing over here, like the high performance version, and then you've got the woodland, which is [SPEAKER_01]: kind of the off-rody trim of the RAF4. [SPEAKER_01]: So now we've got the core, the sport model, the off-road model. [SPEAKER_00]: So we've got a bunch of videos out.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, Cole, if you can go to our off-road channel, let's start with the woodster as I like to call it, because I hate the woodland. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, it used to be called the adventure, which I thought was better, but to the said that, or just be called a CRD, but to the basically said that they're no longer going to call it the TRD, because that's going to be a moniker, they're going to save for body on frame vehicles.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now what you're looking at here if you're watching this on YouTube or if you're listening to it as a podcast Then you can head on over to TFL talk and watch it as a video We're looking at the new woodland trim Tommy. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of this?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, it's just saying they use woodland in the old one too Did they I thought it was the adventure cool if you want to close out here and then go to that little tabby at open [SPEAKER_01]: These are the 25s. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I look at that woodland. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it's a very common trim, but they did actually do a woodland in the current RAF4 But now the new one they're kind of going much much further than in the old one. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the old RAF4. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go back to the new one. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's go back to the video because you got the drive-in off-road.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now unfortunately what happened was the program for this That is not it there goes the program on for this vehicle happened in Arizona and they had like flash flooding in Arizona and Phoenix of all places And so they kind of had to switch the off-road course and let's face it if you're watching this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a dirt road [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the off-roading wasn't incredibly unbelievably mild, but I don't think there's much more you can do with the wood stir as you call it that. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is mostly an appearance package, so you get different front fascia, you get little rigid off-road lights, which is nice, you get some interior trims, some bright accents on the inside, you got a roof rack, which is cool with the crossbars, but in terms of off-road capability, the main difference between the woodland and the standard one is going to be a set of mild terrain tires,

[SPEAKER_01]: and wheels and I think that gives you a little bit of additional lift because they're a little taller but apart from that, you know, it's not like you get underbody protection, you don't get skid plates, you don't get recovery points, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, very mild appearance pack.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we might know why because we did a video early this week where in Japan at least they unveil the new FJ, the Land Cruiser FJ, which kind of would compete with this if they actually

[SPEAKER_00]: Except the FJ is a real off-roader because it's got a locking rear diff, it's got like real off-road credentials So it's got the snorkel, it's got the rock rails, it's got, you know, a much more aggressive off-road approach I just think there's no way to bring in that to America I'm saying if they did, I mean the way the current line up

[SPEAKER_00]: to an off-roaders' works in America as you would start with the woodland and woodster then you'd go to the forerunner in terms of, you know, money, then with more money you get the land crews and eventually go to the Sequoia and then if you wanted to actually get the real land crews or the 300 series you'd have to go to the Lexus. [SPEAKER_00]: But but

[SPEAKER_00]: there might be an argument being made here that this is me conspiracies the enrollment here that if you are going to have a true off-road of its slots in let's say the 30 to 45,000 dollar range uh... then you would want to keep the raft for relatively more on-road worthy and just have kind of an appearance trim versus having a real off-road or so that there is room for that new fj this slide in underneath uh... the forerunner that's my conspiracy it's a fun thought but i just think that it's too much

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Because then you've got the the four or directly competing with the smaller land cruiser and then the bigger land cruiser is not that much bigger than the smaller land cruiser. [SPEAKER_00]: But the four and are already competing with the 250. [SPEAKER_01]: But not on pricing. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a little bit, but it starts at 40. [SPEAKER_00]: They overlap just a little though. [SPEAKER_00]: Not that much, not that little ours was 57,000.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: And the land cruiser starts at 55. [SPEAKER_01]: Realistically [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So like that's a big difference, right? [SPEAKER_01]: And this thing's going to be 40. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: The woodland. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's my theory. [SPEAKER_00]: You might be right. [SPEAKER_00]: I might be, you know, barking up the wrong tree, but why not? [SPEAKER_00]: To it, I bring the FJ.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would certainly be much more interested in it than this woodland RAV4. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go back to this one. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about it some more. [SPEAKER_00]: So the big news, of course, for 2026 is what? [SPEAKER_00]: That all RAV4s are either [SPEAKER_00]: hybrid or plug-in hybrid? [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that's right. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was reading one of the comments. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's not a good approach angle.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of batching the the plane underneath showing that the thing does not have a very good approach angle. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was reading the comments today on the RAF 4 videos that came out. [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the first comment was, no thanks, I don't want to hybrid. [SPEAKER_00]: And my first thought and actually typed it as a response is what you don't like, feel economy more power. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's true. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great point.

[SPEAKER_01]: So every, like you said, every ref for is now electrified in some way or another. [SPEAKER_01]: So like a standard gas one's not an option, which I think is that it's overall a really good thing for the product. [SPEAKER_01]: Because like you said, not only does it have a better fuel economy, but it gets like 17 to 23 more horsepower than the old one.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's able to do that with more power, plus it's the Toyota hybrid system and these things go, you know, there's just kind of a myth that you got to replace batteries, but for the most part, we're looking at on the typical Toyota hybrid, two, three, 400,000 miles on the original battery, they really don't fail because Toyota is so conservative on how much of that actual battery pack they use. [SPEAKER_01]: So batteries really last a long time.

[SPEAKER_01]: If instead of using 100% of its capacity, you use like 80 or 70, but 20 uses like 50 or 60 typically. [SPEAKER_01]: So they use a really small chunk of the battery, which means that you're not putting any strain on the battery, which means that it lasts forever. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's also talk about that for a second, because I think people have, and it's very confusing, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: You've got like 14 different kinds of electrified vehicles, everything from pure electric to hybrid, deplug and hybrids. [SPEAKER_00]: to extended range vehicles, to e-ribes, it's all very confusing, but let's start with the basic hybrid, the thing that the Prius introduced, which is what this has, right? [SPEAKER_00]: This is a basic hybrid. [SPEAKER_00]: So if this were a pure electric car, you might have a 70 kilowatt hour battery, which is a big ass battery.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in this vehicle, I believe it's two, it's less than that, isn't it? [SPEAKER_00]: It's like one point, something. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little tiny, tiny battery, and it's really only being used to help supplement the gas motor. [SPEAKER_00]: So in between shifts, for instance, or maybe when you're driving slowly and getting going or maybe when you're stopped at the stop light, so that you can keep the air condition around.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not basically getting used more than like the starter battery than the 12-volt battery. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a whole different [SPEAKER_00]: ball the wax and a pure EV. [SPEAKER_00]: And Toyota has figured this out. [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, most manufacturers have figured out traditional hybrids where they're just as long-lasting, where they're just as robust, where you get the benefits of more power and better fuel economy.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I say better fuel economy, I'm talking about really better fuel economy, like this thing could get like 50 MPG. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, to clarify... [SPEAKER_01]: It's more than a mild hybrid, so it's not just the starter motor. [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know, I know. [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know. [SPEAKER_01]: This is a real, the vehicle can operate out of electricity only. [SPEAKER_01]: It can drive and turn and style.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's, like you said, it really is an ESIS system where it'll help you get going. [SPEAKER_01]: It'll help any time a gasoline engine is not an efficient way to move a car, for example, starting and stopping, accelerating at slow speeds. [SPEAKER_01]: That's where the hybrid system comes in and supplements.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so when people get really worried about the fact that I'm sure our viewers, because you know, you've been with us a long time, our smarter than this, you know this. [SPEAKER_00]: But this is basically an evolution of the system that the Prius in, you know, brought to America back 25 years ago. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, this is not new technology. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: This has been around, this has been established, this has been perfected.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're worried like that commenter was that I don't want to hybrid because it's going to make the car work. [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever less reliable your way off base in fact. [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna save you a ton.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean come on 50 MPG for that That's incredible when I was a young man my your grandfather got people back to that had an LTD I think I think when the gas crisis hit we you my dad would have been happy to get like 15 MPG out of the thing I think I think it's I think the woodland is like 43 combined and I think that the best is like 44 combined if you get them

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so maybe you might hit like the high 40s in the city, but they're like mid 40s overall, which is still amazing, like that's still an incredible feat out of a what's now, you know, pretty big SUV. [SPEAKER_01]: So the only downside potentially with with the Toyota hybrid system. [SPEAKER_01]: is there's no drive shaft that goes from the gasoline engine to the back of the car, to power the differential.

[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, they use an E-Augul drive system so they've got the electric motors and the gas engine in the front and they've got a third electric motor. [SPEAKER_01]: at the back for powering the rear wheels. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, when he first launched these, that little rear motor was pretty weaning in terms of output. [SPEAKER_00]: I remember, I remember the pre-instead had it, it would only go up to 25 miles an hour, so something like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was basically meant to help you get going in like snowy conditions. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the new ones now are pretty beefy and medium. [SPEAKER_01]: The reason they do this is a efficiency, right? [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to spin a drive shaft and deal with that parasitic loss. [SPEAKER_01]: And then be packaging, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot easier to run a wired on the middle of a car instead of a big chunky drive shaft that takes up interior volume.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think for most people in this category, in this type of car, [SPEAKER_01]: the EOO drive system is probably fine, but we're going to have to get it out to Colorado and put it on the rollers and see how it performs on their slip test, and then that'll give us a good idea of what the snow performs for you. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not something new either. [SPEAKER_00]: The most popular Lexus, which sells a Bogtun, the RX, has had that system now for like two generations.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, or more. [SPEAKER_00]: I think like, oh, five or something. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's been around a long time. [SPEAKER_00]: 20 years now. [SPEAKER_00]: In your slip testing, we found that it's not as good. [SPEAKER_00]: is having a drive shaft, especially when you're talking about dedicated off-road use. [SPEAKER_00]: But when you're on the road, I mean, think about it this way. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have all the parasitic loss of that rear drive shaft spinning.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you can turn that electric motor on the rear wheels only when you need it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So it makes a lot of sense to what are some of the comments of the deal. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Tommy G on Patreon says Wooden looks like the rock creek road, not on press fit all. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a pretty good comparison.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's also very similar to like the CRV [SPEAKER_01]: If you actually want to go take your small crossover off-road, there's really only one good option. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just a proper sport, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the only car in this class. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the force or wilderness I've never driven it. [SPEAKER_01]: But the barco sport. [SPEAKER_01]: can be added with the twin-click through differential.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can be had with recovery points, front and back, front and back. [SPEAKER_01]: Real skid plates, especially if you get the Sasquatch version, it's got some crazy clearance. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only one in the category where I'd be like, yeah, let's go take this on a trail. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, you know, you just said we've never driven it, I mean, that says well. [SPEAKER_01]: I driven the Broncosport, not the Forster.

[SPEAKER_00]: That says a lot about a brand when they're afraid to give it to a channel that exclusively tests off-road, and especially a brand that, you know, purports to be, and I'm talking about Subaru here, very off-road-worthy. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if you want us to prove it, and if you want us to recommend it, then you get a low-ness one-detested, but otherwise it feels like, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: we're going to have to go with the Bronco Sport.

[SPEAKER_00]: Should we move on to the next unusual one, the new one that they introduced? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they also went the other way with the RAF4 and they came out with the version called the GR Sport. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is, and I don't think our videos that on that one yet. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not. [SPEAKER_01]: As a filming, it'll be out tomorrow. [SPEAKER_01]: But all TFL.com have all these videos ready to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the GR support is kind of the opposite direction, so it's a little bit lower than the standard F4. [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of like eight inches, it's down to 7.5, every week, the suspension in terms of damping, they've added another bar to it, they've stiffened it up, they've reduced a lot of weight in the wheels. [SPEAKER_01]: I think like each wheel is 4.4 kilograms lighter than the standard F4.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's only available as a plug-in hybrid, and they give you all sorts of arrow bits, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So it's got the grill, it's got the splitter, it's got the big spoiler in the back. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got some retirees, if I remember correctly. [SPEAKER_01]: So this is kind of the performance option.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's a little, for me, it's a little disappointing because when we went and looked at it when they first unveiled it, I thought it had a lot of potential, because I thought it's a tradition of the BMW X5M or X3M. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of German premium vehicles [SPEAKER_00]: Because sports cars are kind of dying. [SPEAKER_00]: Now people want their cake and they want to eat it too.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they want the utility of an crossover, but they also want the sportiness of a sports car. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what these things do. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what this does. [SPEAKER_00]: But really, there we go. [SPEAKER_00]: There we are. [SPEAKER_00]: We're showing the unveiling of it. [SPEAKER_00]: The problem with it, Tommy, is it's the GR sport. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the GR. [SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, it's kind of like an AMG line or an M sport line. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no more horsepower. [SPEAKER_01]: But still has a lot of horsepower. [SPEAKER_00]: 3, 4, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So this has got the plug and hybrid system. [SPEAKER_01]: So what this is, it's like the two and half liter gasoline engine. [SPEAKER_01]: And then instead of having a 1-ish kilowatt-hour battery, I think it's 17 kilowatt-hours or 22. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's 22 kilowatt-hours.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a plug and hybrid. [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a really big battery. [SPEAKER_01]: What that means is that they're able to kind of access, you know, more voltage, more capacity. [SPEAKER_01]: They're able to up the power a little bit, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So we're looking at [SPEAKER_00]: 324 horsepower out from like 236 and then um but you could also get this plug and hybrid in the NGR sport you can get in the right way.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can get in like a woodland for an apple too. [SPEAKER_00]: So you'll have the same horsepower. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the upside to a plugin hybrid is you can drive like 40 miles on Piro Lecture. [SPEAKER_00]: I think this one's 40 or 50? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea with this is you go home, you plug it in at night, you can even plug it in on just a normal outlet because the battery's probably small enough to charge overnight. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you can drive to work, you can go to grocery store, you can take the kids to school on electricity.

[SPEAKER_01]: you're saving fuel in terms of cost, you're saving intervals between oil changes, you're saving wear in your gasoline engine, you're still driving the car essentially has a full electric vehicle and then when you do need to extend your your your your your journey beyond 50 miles you've got a normal gasoline engine that'll turn on and take you across country if need be. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but like I said, I wish they'd just got a full GR on it, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they'd given it a hot motor or a very easy power of the battery to give it more horsepower than your standard one, because at this point it's basically at a parent's package with some small performance gains. [SPEAKER_00]: 100%. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that to me is where kind of the magic falls off, it's like the loadable, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It does drive different, like it's stiffer.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it definitely it's like we drove we drove really three main cars on this press trip in Arizona that Toyota flew us out too. [SPEAKER_01]: We drove the woodland, the geosport and the XLE, those are the three we drove and actually drove a limited as well. [SPEAKER_01]: But the GR Sport did have the lowest firmest ride. [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say it felt like a sports car, you know, in the steering was totally light.

[SPEAKER_01]: Although it was very artificially heavy in sport mode. [SPEAKER_01]: They retweet the EPS in sport mode. [SPEAKER_01]: But we really, like you said, is mostly a looks-fast option. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, it's like, there's a little bit of poser to it, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: When you don't increase the horsepower, it feels like the Maverick Lobo, which is this cool sports truck, but the problem with this and the Lobo is let's see you pump to a stoplight, and this is a look-it-in-me-talking, and you're sitting there at the stoplight, and you're in the GR.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and tell me next to you is in a bog standard, uh, RAF4 prime, you're in the, you're in this GR prime, and the right light turns green, and you both floor it, you're both going to take off and go at the same speed, and that just seems to me like the, the, the, the most important part of this, they forgot, which is adding horsepower. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I, I could, I can see where you're coming from.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the big thing we don't know about any of these is we don't know the pricing. [SPEAKER_01]: So Toyota hasn't announced pricing. [SPEAKER_01]: We do know that the standard RAF4 is going to go on sale, starting in December. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know how much it's going to cost and then we also know the plug and hybrid variants like the Gearsport are coming next spring, but if you had to guess what do you think that that gearsport cost? [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a close to 50.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it'll be like 46 or 46 or 45 or 50. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be a lot of money. [SPEAKER_00]: And for that, if I was looking at a car, I could I could see myself going with a GR. [SPEAKER_00]: Right because you're gonna have utility. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean a g r corollus, sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna have utility and you're gonna have horsepower Because at 45 you can get yourself a g r corollus, but that's a pretty tiny car.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is a lot smaller. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's a yeah, but they're both all wheel drive [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they are but like that's that's low to the ground. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a small trunk right there. [SPEAKER_00]: The reference huge right it's it's a big big car and the silliest thing about it by far And we don't have video this is exhaust. [SPEAKER_00]: It's got these two little tiny exhaust poking out the bottom of the jeep. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very easy.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same as any other as any other one [SPEAKER_00]: All right, shall we go to the last trim level, which is the most popular one? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Cole, if you want to go to Tithel car on YouTube, we have a video on this one. [SPEAKER_01]: So we drove the XLE, which is the volume seller. [SPEAKER_01]: So of all the RAF4s, this is the one that you're most likely going to see on the road. [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's your standard go-to family hauler.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's got the normal look to it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a pretty normal interior.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this one we drove was just the base model power train front wheel drive with the hybrid Which I don't think previously you could get if you want a front wheel drive I think you had to get the gas version only But now you can get a hybrid front wheel drive and this is honestly this is makes sense why they sell so many of these because it's not an exciting car It's not trying to be something.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not it's just a very capable family haul or grocery getter [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a lot of good tech inside of it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's very comfortable. [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest price of these is they're very quiet and very softly sprung, which I was really happy to see. [SPEAKER_01]: So they're kind of just like how you should go down the road. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's all going to come down to price for this one with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we figure they're going to be about the same as outgoing model, you know, maybe what manufacturers have been doing recently is they've been increasing the price, but they've been adding features to it. [SPEAKER_00]: So what they'll tell you is, well, it costs 2000 more than they are going model, but now you get standard of sunroof or something, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's a center console lid in these were at fours That's padded on one side and then if you push both buttons at the same time that pivoted open to the side You can actually pull it out and replace it with this little [SPEAKER_01]: firm plastic cubby and that's you know like a place to store change or your phone or whatever but then it also means you don't have any padding.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of a cool little party trick but I don't think anyone is ever realistically going to use it because the cubby side it's a big square. [SPEAKER_01]: So unless you're trying to move like an iPad mini around without it sliding around I don't know what else you really use it for because things are going to kind of roll around [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's very, very hard to put your elbow on. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the padded side's going to remain up always on these cars.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think giving the ability to take it out completely means it's going to stay in the garage. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to lose it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what happened if I own the car at least. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100% yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about, you got bigger screen now. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is the big, there's two screens right there. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a one in front of the driver and there's the infotainment screen. [SPEAKER_00]: It's bigger than the alcohol in one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, yeah, if I remember right, it's like a 14. [SPEAKER_01]: 14. [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're actually right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of wireless charging power so the standard ones get 45 watts for some reason the plug and hybrid only get 15 and I don't really understand why that is. [SPEAKER_00]: And this is the super confusing part.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's two buttons basically for drive modes depending on to the does this in a lot of their vehicles where you have like an Android drive mode and an off-road drive mode. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like why are you confusing people with two sets of drive modes? [SPEAKER_00]: And what I mean two sets like there's two buttons so you can be

[SPEAKER_01]: normal and then you can be off road and you can have like sand snow you know I mean why not just combine this put them in no one mode yeah for sure because why you don't want to be in sport and sand or whatever at the same time I don't fully understand but look the interior in this car's gotten a little bit more chunky it's how it would put it so everything's kind of I called it off roadie and you made fun of me because it's not off roadie

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no central, there's no transfer case here. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just blocky, right? [SPEAKER_01]: You get these kind of big cubes of plastic, so like the air vents are square. [SPEAKER_01]: I like the shifter. [SPEAKER_01]: The couplers are square. [SPEAKER_01]: The shifter has two different shifters. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the mechanical shifter, but you can also get it with this little toggle thing if you get like a limited.

[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely get the standard shifter if you can. [SPEAKER_01]: Bigger screens, more technology, you can get them really nice and equipped with sunroofs, ventilated seats, heat is sitting, we're able to get them a little bit more basic if you don't want some of those options, you can get a big small screen, tons of different ways you can spec your F4. [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean as a whole, I think that the interior is the whole car is not dramatically different than the old one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it says Cole, Cole, you've got a RAF4, what do you think? [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a mic there now. [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't turn it on, didn't turn your mic on, turn your mic on. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you've been watching this video? [SPEAKER_00]: What do you, you've got the previous generation, not the current one, the one before this. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think you like it? [SPEAKER_00]: I'll keep my $10,000. [SPEAKER_00]: There you go, double the power.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why is he's got the V6? [SPEAKER_01]: Double the power, double the power. [SPEAKER_01]: You're my friend in 269, it's not quite double, but he's got more cylinders. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he does have more cylinders. [SPEAKER_01]: 50% more cylinders, actually. [SPEAKER_01]: Have you been happy with your RF4? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, people people that have reform. [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's a world's best selling car.

[SPEAKER_01]: Both Cole and Mary have the same light blue graph four. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Cole is a little bit less than 10 to 10. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a B6 too? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we both have B6. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, both high-performance units for sure. [SPEAKER_01]: The new plug-in hybrid though is actually quite a bit faster than Cole's fortunately for Cole. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and size wise, it's about the same, actually, as a current one.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty, so the wheelbase is exactly the same, and I think that the length is exactly the same, except for the g, the g are sport and the woodland are like an inch or two longer because of the front fascia's cargo space is a little bit down compared to CRV or rogue. [SPEAKER_01]: Backseat space, very, very adequate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, the problem is that once you start selling 450,000 of anything, you don't want to change it that much, because you don't want to upset the people that have already bought the car and could be in line for buying a new one. [SPEAKER_01]: So they change the styling, they change the screens and the technology a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: But they gave it a little bit more power, they gave a little bit more fuel efficiency, but it's not like a total revamp of what a RAF4 is. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it is a new generation, but this is always the same, right when the car is a bestseller. [SPEAKER_00]: It's always going to be evolutionary, never revolutionary.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's nothing there, I could point to, like, in a Tesla where you have fart mode or you have something that's very... [SPEAKER_01]: There's no fart mode in there. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no fart mode in there. [SPEAKER_00]: The Japanese probably wouldn't do fart mode. [SPEAKER_00]: But there's nothing there that I'd be like, oh, wow, I've never seen this before. [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't one thing, which is unusual. [SPEAKER_01]: What's that?

[SPEAKER_01]: It has an eco-cruise control. [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me about it. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that is pretty interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got it's got three different cruise control settings Yeah, you get well they actually all have adaptive cruise control.

[SPEAKER_01]: It comes standard So you get normal cruise control which is you turn it on and it will just maintain 55 no matter what So like if the car in front of you slows down too bad or running into it You've got adaptive cruise control which we all know now where it'll slow down and speed up relative to traffic And then you've got eco adaptive cruise control [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and what does that mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what that does is it slows down and speeds up gently relative to traffic, to try to use less gas. [SPEAKER_01]: So people can just jump in front of you. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, exactly right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're, if you're an aggressive driver, eco-cruise control is probably not a good option for you. [SPEAKER_00]: Can you read those comments or have my glasses on? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tad piece has given the full DR treatment, give it a 1.5-cylinder hybrid electric turbo rotary. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot going on there. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot going on there. [SPEAKER_01]: All kidding aside, it actually looks pretty cool for a crossover. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that, you know, you better get darn used to these because they're going to see a hundred billion of them on your daily commute every single day.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, [SPEAKER_01]: Look, how do you think it compares to like the CRV, how do you think it compares to the road? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like his first comment, I'm trying to read it. [SPEAKER_01]: Not sure why the manufacturers keep putting what amounts to appearance packages on these dirt road people vehicles because people buy them.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they keep [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, especially with both Korean manufacturers and Japanese manufacturers, there's this now huge rush to make everything off-rody without actually giving it real off-road cred. [SPEAKER_00]: So we just had, um, and there's different variations of that. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about that. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about how to just lend us a long-term passport trail sport.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and for the latest generation, uh, they did make it more off-road worthy by giving a serious AT tires. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: By giving it recovery points. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, by giving it rock rails. [SPEAKER_00]: By giving it rock rail. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Standard tow hitch, which is great.

[SPEAKER_00]: But they didn't give it kind of the most important because this is, I think the Japanese especially struggle with this and that is more ground clearance except for Subaru for some reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: yeah so so when we're in our testing the problem is it's got all this off-road stuff real off-road stuff but then it's got I think eight inches of ground clearance and so a big rock is gonna scrape the bottom I think it also had some good plates right yeah good plates yep yeah for sure but for me the litmus test time the litmus test whether it's a real off-road or not [SPEAKER_00]: is, of course, doesn't have a little range. [SPEAKER_00]: And they never do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: They never add electronics so that it approximates different kinds of off-road terrain, responses, and downhill terrain support. [SPEAKER_00]: What is that called downhill, you know, what is that? [SPEAKER_00]: No disuncontroll, yeah, and all this stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: But if it doesn't have a little range, it's kind of like you're just playing at it. [SPEAKER_00]: But I know that's my bottom up. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily blame them for not doing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, because if you look at like when when when every man on a maker started pretty much every automaker started coming out with mainstream SUVs like in the late 90s, early 2000s, you had like the Mercedes ML, the Volkswagen Tour Rag, a Kia Borego even, right, Kia Sorrento, all these manufacturers put a low range in these vehicles because the perception was then that people were riding an SUV because they wanted to take it off road.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just the Asians, it was also the Germans. [SPEAKER_00]: The first to rag. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I said. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't think I said to rag. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a load of things too. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So there was this perception that like people needed a low range because they were going off road.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then when you actually, I think what the manufacturers did is they started looking at the data and they were like, people weren't taking these off from the data. [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, the problem was looking at the data. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's not. [SPEAKER_00]: And making your decisions based on data, not based on emotion. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the problem with that, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to their credit, like a low range creates a lot of issues if you're building a family car, right? [SPEAKER_01]: You have this big chunky box. [SPEAKER_01]: You have to somehow put in the middle of the car or incorporate it into the car. [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to, that not only takes up a lot of space, add a lot of weight. [SPEAKER_01]: I think when the cayenne went from the first end of the second gen, it shed something like 450 pounds by getting rid of its low-range.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were able to redesign it and so on. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's go back even further. [SPEAKER_00]: So do you remember when like the original Bronco came out, the big Bronco, not the baby Bronco, the OJ Bronco, the OJ Bronco, and the flames, it was just like there was this like zeitgeist in the country where we could do anything and so we're going to have these big old off on an off roaders because that's what America is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So that came out and there was this. [SPEAKER_00]: moment in time where that did well and then of course in the 90s the explorer came out also a low range the very first explorer right with and they simplified it so they took what was once upon a time big lovers and and locking front dish we had to go manually lock them ups hubs yeah and and then they simplified up by just pushing a button

[SPEAKER_00]: sure and it sold really well right it did really really well and so there was kind of this this ethos around well we need to have in our range of vehicles the two rags the brago bringo whatever that was going yeah so we need to have this low range thing because this is what what and then all of a sudden and the gl could be had the low range yeah the gl could be had with the low range and then they started like you said looking at numbers and people were like we're buying these to go to the grocery store buying them to go to work so we don't

[SPEAKER_00]: complex and so they got rid of it so they basically made the cars on rotors they mean it was 40 year right the the em versions of the x5 came out same thing with the shisha but then all of a sudden like COVID hit an off-roading like went through the roof and people all of a sudden wanted to go back to basics and get away from big cities and get away from suburbs and now they're trying to play catch up but they're playing catch up

[SPEAKER_00]: because it can't, you can't redesign the whole car to put a low range into it, but you can stick, you know, parts on it to make it more off-road worthy. [SPEAKER_00]: But I still think the problem is that people are yearning for the real stuff, right? [SPEAKER_00]: They don't want the decaffinated version of their off-roader.

[SPEAKER_00]: They want the caffeinated one, which happens to be a regular or a bronco, and those are the ones that are selling, and now they're playing catch-up, trying to bring back the stuff that they took out of their cars. [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of I think we're right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they just come up with new cars that have it. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so your woodland reford doesn't have a low range. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's toy does answer to that FJ. [SPEAKER_01]: No, not an FJ. [SPEAKER_01]: Four hundred. [SPEAKER_01]: Go buy four hundred orders are for good expensive. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this is expensive. [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be $44,000. [SPEAKER_01]: Everything is expensive now. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is this is going to be. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why there's a huge home the market for serious affordable off-roader.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is my this is my theory. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, so so you're saying like bring a gym knee here. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We had a gym knee here. [SPEAKER_00]: We had the Renegade. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Go even further back. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the Suzuki Samurai. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's that that was in the 80s dude. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going so far back though.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole different time. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's too small people say that it's too small people. [SPEAKER_01]: People say they want a gymney in the USA, no one would buy a gymney in the USA, or very few people. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because... [SPEAKER_00]: This was the psyche, did okay. [SPEAKER_00]: That was also smart. [SPEAKER_01]: That was successful because it was bigger than the samurai. [SPEAKER_01]: And they gave it four doors.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what made us successful. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they did a three door, but that's why it was popular because they added the fourth door, right? [SPEAKER_01]: That was the key. [SPEAKER_01]: Like if I went to my wife, I'd love a gymney, right? [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I want to spend 25,000 dollars a gymney. [SPEAKER_00]: I said, you said you spent that on a gymney. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm well.

[SPEAKER_00]: For those of you who don't know tap you just bought in 1947. [SPEAKER_00]: 46 CJ two a two a Yeah, he's gonna spend their budget. [SPEAKER_01]: But my point is that's that's different. [SPEAKER_01]: Is that true cool am I right? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's different because I can go to her and say it's been 5,000 and then over the course of three months Then spend 25,000 that's a different story It's supposed to just bite it away.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if I went to her and say I want to buy a new vehicle Yes, that's $25,000. [SPEAKER_01]: She'd say well, let's go check it out and she'll take one look at that thing and be like it's too short So drives a fiat 500 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she doesn't love the size of the future. [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, that's not right. [SPEAKER_01]: She drives a, uh, a lot of three more, right? [SPEAKER_01]: She loves the 500E because it was a free car.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so she loves what the price tag, not necessarily. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if I pulled up in this thing, the gymney. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: She'd be like, where do I put anything, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Why is it so tiny? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you could have nothing to put in there. [SPEAKER_01]: What did you got to put in there? [SPEAKER_01]: She has a ton of stuff to put in there. [SPEAKER_01]: We just had this conversation with Mary.

[SPEAKER_01]: They just have a ton of stuff they like to carry around. [SPEAKER_01]: We have no kids. [SPEAKER_01]: Which you have kids. [SPEAKER_01]: Then you're going to have it. [SPEAKER_01]: No, they didn't want you to have kids. [SPEAKER_01]: his stuff around. [SPEAKER_01]: She likes to have her stuff under car. [SPEAKER_01]: This is too small. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't judge her. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what she likes. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to judge her.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the reality is like, this is just too small for most Americans. [SPEAKER_00]: How about the F.J. [SPEAKER_00]: The new Land Cruiser F.J. Go back to that. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a year. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a year thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that what you would be fine with. [SPEAKER_00]: But look at it. [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like you put a red [SPEAKER_01]: No, but at that point, that just by foreigner. [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you get that over?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's going to be 30,000. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be 30,000. [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be 30 or 30. [SPEAKER_00]: Because of foreign, you say you say an SR5. [SPEAKER_00]: Good luck trying to find an SR5 foreigner under 45,000. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't exist. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any land cruiser will ever be priced under foreigner in the USA. [SPEAKER_01]: I think branding wise they can't have a cheat. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, they can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be cheap. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you can already see by the look a lot of fun. [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen the inside though? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a ton of tech. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a leather interior. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a huge screen. [SPEAKER_01]: If you've got a locking differential and a low range and a toy to product, it's going to be $45,000. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, especially by the scooter with it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the scooter. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, to have a picture, if you keep scrolling cold, this is on the, uh, this is the launch of it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's guys want to watch the video, it's at all TFL, uh, you can see what the new actually. [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know if you have a picture of the inside. [SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely a mirror there. [SPEAKER_01]: There it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that is not a third. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a line. [SPEAKER_00]: Why is it so black? [SPEAKER_01]: I think the picture's so dark. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got piping on the seats. [SPEAKER_01]: You're telling me with leather piping on the seat. [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be 30,000 dollars. [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be the photographer photographer of lights. [SPEAKER_00]: Zoom in, zoom in for a circle. [SPEAKER_00]: It is. [SPEAKER_01]: Holy go. [SPEAKER_01]: No, on that one.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's AI. [SPEAKER_01]: It's horrible. [SPEAKER_01]: Nor the darkness. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just black. [SPEAKER_01]: Zoom it on by the shifter. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got ventilated seats. [SPEAKER_01]: You're telling me that's going to be $30,000 with ventilated seats. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a luxury interior. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, come on. [SPEAKER_00]: You know better than this.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is the one that they unveil, which is, of course, the most expensive, the nicest one. [SPEAKER_00]: There will be one that will have claw seats. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: There will be one that won't have all the, you know, all the bells and whistles with cheaper plastics. [SPEAKER_00]: And that one will be $35,000 if they bring it to America, which I'm not sure they will. [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a 200-inch green in the car.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're looking at the most expensive version, which is the one they unveiled. [SPEAKER_00]: That's normal. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's going to be 45. [SPEAKER_00]: I think the problem is, this is another issue we're at. [SPEAKER_00]: I think the real problem is with the 400. [SPEAKER_00]: They've just priced themselves out of the market. [SPEAKER_00]: They're so freaking expensive now. [SPEAKER_01]: They're selling now, I see them everywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they are selling. [SPEAKER_00]: I think people are taking like 20 year loans or something, get them. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when we cut that check for $57,000, I almost, you know, gasped. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: And that was just because, you know, we're doing this as a business, but if it was me buying it personally, I would be like, well, I mean, that's every card. [SPEAKER_01]: The average new car price now is $50,000.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have a, we have a $53,000 golf in our garage. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the new reality of the world. [SPEAKER_01]: Tad P has a new comment. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he likes it. [SPEAKER_01]: He said as an FJ Cruiser owner, I think he is an FJ Cruiser. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this new FJ looks like a worthy successor. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_00]: You can hate it for some reason. [SPEAKER_00]: Because it he is, it was like it's a made out of Lego.

[SPEAKER_00]: We had this conversation in the video and you were like, you were just so opposed to it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of cool. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll go in with an open mind here, but uh, look at the proportion of it that. [SPEAKER_01]: Why is a front end 17 feet long? [SPEAKER_01]: You think that's a good looking car maybe it's got a 12 cylinder or the front It's got a 2.7 liter four cylinder Well cylinder Look at the back is cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the back is really cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like a mobility device It looks like that thing they had that throwing around Vegas where itself the back is cool Anyway, this comes to the US. [SPEAKER_00]: I will be astonished, but pleasant surprise Go back that picture Do you like the square headlight to the round headlight?

[SPEAKER_00]: The round one looks a lot better They're doing the same thing they did with the LN Cruiser [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, what do you realistically think this is going to make it to the US? [SPEAKER_01]: Most people I see online are saying no way. [SPEAKER_00]: I think if they were bold, look, this is the other thing. [SPEAKER_00]: So Akio Toyota, a while ago, said no more boring cars. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And this has become kind of a rallying cry.

[SPEAKER_00]: You see it at Ford, too. [SPEAKER_00]: Farley kind of picked up that gauntlet as well. [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he's saying we're not going to build boring cars. [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's getting into motor sports. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Ford is getting into motor sports.

[SPEAKER_00]: There they are, everybody's doing motorsports now, they've become like this huge thing, and I'm always a contrarian, and so I'm always gonna be on the side of, they say one thing, but at the end of the day, two of the cells that are both ton of RAF4s that aren't this, right, that are just the basic, right of the mill.

[SPEAKER_00]: 100% a ton of Crollas that are the basic, a ton of Camries, so you can be the CEO or Chairman of the Board, you can be like, no more boring cars, [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you an example of this. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm driving by, so here in Boulder, the Volkswagen dealership is right next to the Jeep dealership. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm driving by the Volkswagen dealership and I'm going down the road and it's black, silver, black, white, black, silver, but the bank really great car.

[SPEAKER_01]: A green, 90 bucks or an orange one. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there's something I'm selling in the back. [SPEAKER_00]: So all the cars are like the most boring color palette possible. [SPEAKER_00]: And then right next to it is a Jeep dealer, and all of a sudden you've got yellows and you've got purples and you've got these crazy colors. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, that's a car company that is building fun cars. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so the problem is where the tire meets the tarmac, and that is, you can say one thing. [SPEAKER_00]: But until you actually do it, I'm going to hold my judgment. [SPEAKER_00]: And I see a lot of car companies now saying, we're going to get into car racing, we're going to be doing all this stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: but yet you look at their product line and every car is boring and silver and there's very little excitement within the brands. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think for once, I agree with you completely. [SPEAKER_01]: I think people, the companies say they wanna make newer boring cars, but people buy boring cars. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people buy boring cars because at the end of the day, when you go to the dealership and there's a non-boring car that costs 20% more in the boring car, you kind of reassess your priorities.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, well, I'd rather spend that money and evocation than having this fancy, [SPEAKER_00]: We are or tire package. [SPEAKER_00]: 100%. [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking last going back to the last something we said earlier because I know someone's going to comment it. [SPEAKER_01]: There is one crossover small crossover that did have a low range in recent years. [SPEAKER_01]: Remember what that was? [SPEAKER_00]: Small crossover that had a low range.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's only one of them. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, cheap a lot of jeeps had low ranges Yeah, the Cherokee. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the weird looking Cherokee. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with with with with the way I say. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that had a really really cool low range That actually dated something crazy with that so typically on a low range you need a longitudinal engine for the back So you can have a transfer case.

[SPEAKER_00]: There you go. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: This one was a transverse. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh for an older one. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a newer one. [SPEAKER_01]: No, that one had it [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the right area. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the real hawk by the trail hawk. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the, uh, the, the Kale Cherokee had this thing where it had two low ranges, actually, because I think if I remember right, they had a low set of gears for the, the front.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, transaxle, then they had the power take off to the rear axle where they had to incorporate another set of gears to match the ratio of the front. [SPEAKER_01]: So that was a really weird design. [SPEAKER_01]: But it works super well. [SPEAKER_01]: There's there's there's there's there's there's there's me driving it. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: This was probably 2019 yeah, 2019. [SPEAKER_01]: So these were really, really capable.

[SPEAKER_01]: The only downfall with these is they have, um, [SPEAKER_01]: a nine-speed automatic which is pretty terrible. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a nice beach jerky. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they also came out that word design. [SPEAKER_00]: This one doesn't have it. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the updated one, but they had that word design language word. [SPEAKER_00]: We split headlight. [SPEAKER_00]: The split headlight damn people weren't ready for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, but these are cool, actually. [SPEAKER_01]: They're really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I like to own one someday for a series. [SPEAKER_01]: They can be popping. [SPEAKER_01]: You can buy them now. [SPEAKER_01]: They can pick one up now for like- They're pretty expensive. [SPEAKER_01]: They're like nine to 12th. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not bad. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know for uh... but it's a 10-year-old jeep with the nine-speed do i trust that was it pentastar it was a 3.2-liter V6 was like the small penistar yeah there you are i am looking young and thin i'm working very similar watch that's a change at all has been six years ago there is one thing i want to talk about before we close up this podcast yeah we got some time go to the peak auto auctions website here cool

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if what are, what are our podcast people think about this. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's this car, but no, no, don't show them the car we want to buy. [SPEAKER_01]: I do, but it's a podcast. [SPEAKER_01]: Seven people are watching right now. [SPEAKER_00]: You can, all right, go, go, go. [SPEAKER_00]: Go to the donated auctions. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, we want to buy this car.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is a real interest, but I want to see if anybody thinks this is going to be interesting or if this is really dumb. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is kind of a hidden gem. [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a Ford Explorer. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: First generation, 1992. [SPEAKER_01]: And this thing has 92,000 miles. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a two-door automatic. [SPEAKER_01]: A real low range. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's got some rest in the front bumper.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's the corner there. [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a little bit of rest. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right there. [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: But these are genuinely a very, very clean car. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'd love to know people's opinion you have to take your call. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to keep talking about your phone.

[SPEAKER_01]: If anyone would be interested in this, I think that there's kind of, like, [SPEAKER_01]: an undercurrent of interest around these first gen explorers because you used to see these cars absolutely everywhere and then they've just pushed, they've just disappeared off the face of the planet because they rusted out, they got routed out, they got used up.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I do kind of think that some people might be interested in this, our producers' act loves this thing, you actually used to own one of these back in the day. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a really clean first gen explorer. [SPEAKER_01]: I think if we can get it for two grand, twenty-five hundred bucks, it might be worth it and then do a little series and [SPEAKER_01]: There's three people watching. [SPEAKER_00]: Pad P, don't bid us up, please. [SPEAKER_00]: What are you saying, Tats?

[SPEAKER_00]: We buy this car. [SPEAKER_00]: Is he making any comments on this? [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if there's any interest in this thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess it depends on how much, you know, the thing ends up going for.

[SPEAKER_01]: yeah what's your what's your top dollar on the explorer a thousand bucks a thousand yeah it's already eight fifty yeah no it's got four thousand dollars there's also a cool uh uh cool go back to the actual it's a cool jeep yeah let's see if you can find the jeep if you go back this this if you're looking for an expensive jeep this would be a it's yellow so it's easy to find cool it's pop it's a bright yellow 2008 JK um there it is yeah so that how much is it going forward?

[SPEAKER_01]: So good. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to go for 12 to 15. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a Ruby. [SPEAKER_00]: So RubyCon, it's built well. [SPEAKER_01]: So second year in JK, I think, I think it came out in 2007. [SPEAKER_01]: Probably got 35's on it, but new tires is a donated car. [SPEAKER_01]: Most of these cars are known in cars. [SPEAKER_01]: $4,000. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's got bumpers, it's got racks on it. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a worn winch, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with these jeeps is they have the 3.8, which people actually say is pretty reliable as an engine goes, but they're kind of a boat anchor. [SPEAKER_01]: They have like a hundred and eighty horsepower. [SPEAKER_01]: and they get like 14 MPG if they're in good shape. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, right now the thing's going for how much? [SPEAKER_01]: 8,000. [SPEAKER_00]: 8,100. [SPEAKER_00]: So it would cost to 8,100 just to build that out. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's got a radio.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you were to actually just buy a JK and try to put all the stuff that's on this one already, it would cost to $8,000. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a really good G. Yeah, that Warren winches is probably $15 or bucks just for the winch. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not including the from bumper that you have to have, right? [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably a $2,000 bumper on the front of it. [SPEAKER_00]: But this is gonna sell what's your number on this?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, KDB says it's worth like 12, but that's, but this is lifted. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how much value I have. [SPEAKER_00]: Initially we were buying cars at this peak auction, you could get bargains, but now last week it happened with the Miata last two weeks ago. [SPEAKER_01]: What can you explain that? [SPEAKER_01]: What was the Miata? [SPEAKER_00]: So there was a really clean one owner Miata for sale. [SPEAKER_00]: And first generation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And those are worth like $8,000. [SPEAKER_00]: And this thing sold for like $7,000. [SPEAKER_00]: But they're also asking, what is it? [SPEAKER_00]: 20%. [SPEAKER_00]: 18% in biorefium, which is a lot, which is a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: So even if it sells for, I think it's sold for like 6,800 with the biorefium, you're already at what the market value of the thing is. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Chad says get the Jeep. [SPEAKER_00]: There you go. [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_00]: There you go. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to now. [SPEAKER_00]: Chad Brands. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That just sold the Tesla by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good job. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good opportunity. [SPEAKER_00]: A Josh West 247. [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't checked out his YouTube channel. [SPEAKER_00]: But Josh, thank you for buying the Jeep. [SPEAKER_00]: He's a YouTuber.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, sorry, thank you for buying the Tesla, our model S that we bought earlier this year. [SPEAKER_00]: At the time to move it on, so I'm glad he got a good new home. [SPEAKER_00]: I sold it for $12,500. [SPEAKER_00]: There you go, buy the Jeep now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now we've got a little bit into a Wrangler. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could just roll into a Wrangler. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we always have to have a Jeep. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we always have.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have a 1946. [SPEAKER_00]: We have two. [SPEAKER_00]: We always have to have a Jeep. [SPEAKER_00]: We always have to have a Land Rover. [SPEAKER_00]: So we've got, we've got, we've got too, how many Range Rover is Land Rover's to have? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like seven. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Two jeeps. [SPEAKER_01]: No, two, two, three, in cases four. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel it's teeth will family. [SPEAKER_01]: Because I've got two now. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I bought Perry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if anyone knew about Perry. [SPEAKER_01]: And then. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he bought P38. [SPEAKER_00]: Range over, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is the Jeep that is now this weekend. [SPEAKER_00]: Tommy took the tub off basically. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have that picture, Cole? [SPEAKER_01]: You want to pull it up?

[SPEAKER_00]: show people what it looks like now yeah sure this is the one we're talking about where he spent 5,000 out of but in the end you're going to spend another 20,000.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well like I have to yeah I have to I have to figure out what I want to do to this so this is a 1946 CJ2A that I bought that that I wanted to do a little project with and it ended up turning into a massive project as always now case wants me to do everything on it I don't know if I want to spend 25,000 dollars on this cheap. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's I think you would have been better off [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I, but I want a project.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you've got a project right. [SPEAKER_01]: I can do it while there's no just the, I'm not doing it to say one case. [SPEAKER_00]: And Tommy and Connor did over the weekend. [SPEAKER_01]: So you saw, he saw the Jeep before. [SPEAKER_01]: This is what it looks like now, um, and there are some problems. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the problem is it has, [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody on it right now. [SPEAKER_00]: No, there's other problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when you took the body off, what did you discover at the bell housing? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's a, oh, I've got that picture too. [SPEAKER_01]: It's your home with you discover. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a giant hole where the clutch should be. [SPEAKER_00]: There guys also a clutch there. [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me, you managed to buy a Jeep. [SPEAKER_00]: There's like, there's like, what? [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe five things that make up any vehicle, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a body, there's a chassis, there's a power train, there's a transmission, and out of the five things that make up any vehicle, like four of the things in this thing are bad. [SPEAKER_00]: It's got good tires. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's got good transfer case, but it's gonna all in it Yeah, it does have a huge hole in the bell housing for something That was I supposed to see the hole in the bell housing Imagine when you took them to water that thing full up water. [SPEAKER_01]: You can't sit it can't be good. [SPEAKER_01]: Probably why the clutch is chattering It is full of sand But I didn't know that there was a hole in the bell housing. [SPEAKER_01]: How was I supposed to see that?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying you just thumb up like the worst 1947 CJ 2A out there [SPEAKER_01]: So the engine, not great, but the transmission is also not great. [SPEAKER_00]: The body is so away, you're going to make it into a planter. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: The transfer case is good. [SPEAKER_01]: That's good. [SPEAKER_01]: The axles are fine and the frame is fine. [SPEAKER_01]: How about the leaf springs? [SPEAKER_01]: No, those are not good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now the steering box is ruined too. [SPEAKER_01]: It needs something, I'm not saying it's, I'm not saying it's a restored example, but it will be nice. [SPEAKER_00]: You can spend $15,000 on a Jeep, it'll be worth 10, what's it's all done. [SPEAKER_01]: So the thing it needs really, like the bare bones, which case wants me to do all the axles and the lockers and the overdrive under drive thing. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think I need the body, the body's horrible.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's up for like 3K. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so needs a, they need to tub. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But the problem is it also needs front fenders, because someone had welded the front fenders to the tub, which is a big problem, um, then it also needs a transmission, because a transmission shot, and it also needs, um, that's the minimum I could get away with, I think, and the engine work. [SPEAKER_01]: He's distributor and he's an intake manifold guest.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a few things at knees, all right? [SPEAKER_01]: But we'll get there. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: And it needs all new wiring. [SPEAKER_01]: None of them. [SPEAKER_01]: None of them. [SPEAKER_01]: None of them. [UNKNOWN]: Why are you quick? [SPEAKER_01]: But part of the guy says that he rewired it? [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he did. [SPEAKER_01]: But he rewired. [SPEAKER_01]: So it almost got on fire. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like spaghetti.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and it did light itself on fire. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it has already light lit in itself in fire once. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, um, on the podcast last week, last week. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it also needs a new windshield. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's got the wrong windshield frame on it. [SPEAKER_00]: On the podcast, remember, I said I was going to sell Perry, which is our P38 line, and I said, if you wanted, you could buy for 2000, and you did.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now, now even though you have this piece of, you are just, so the barn, now you actually have a drivable usable vehicle. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, if I didn't have any others, yeah, no, but that or at least it's, you know, I felt like you did well with that. [SPEAKER_01]: And Perry only needs new front end, new suspension. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they all need that. [SPEAKER_01]: None of the blender's works, but it doesn't have heat or AC. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, right runs and drives.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does ride and drive four wheel drive works great. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it, you know, for two thousand bucks to have a running and driving vehicle, and then no, the heater does work. [SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't work great. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it works, it just doesn't blow anything. [SPEAKER_01]: It works, it just doesn't blow off sound of the dash a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to shit you guys to work, I'll give you that.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to shit you note those work, but once again, it can't get out, it's like stuck in the dashboard, because the blend door is a fail. [SPEAKER_01]: I figured out if you put it out. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have a hole in the transfer case as far as the door will shoot. [SPEAKER_01]: The transfer case is a hole list. [SPEAKER_01]: I figured out if you put it on defrost, it comes out two of the vents. [SPEAKER_01]: That's good enough. [SPEAKER_01]: That's good enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: That'll keep you warm in the winter. [SPEAKER_00]: It does have heated seats. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't work. [SPEAKER_00]: The door. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that I'm very excited about Perry because I'm going to make him into something pretty cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Once I finish making the Jeep into something pretty cool, after I finish fixing the mouth. [SPEAKER_00]: I have a prediction that the Jeep is going to sit there next to the barn for all of the winter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nope. [SPEAKER_01]: You know what my goal with that is. [SPEAKER_00]: What is that? [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to potentially get it done. [SPEAKER_01]: Drive it to Easter Jeep Safari. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's that's a great goal. [SPEAKER_00]: I support you in their goal. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You better get going because that's coming up in March. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the Vemba are December January 5 months and I say if you don't can It done we take the old military Jeep anyway. [SPEAKER_00]: We take the one that runs and drives. [SPEAKER_01]: This one does right and drive. [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't, that one doesn't. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, not now, but it did. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it wasn't going on. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying if you can't get done, I think we should take the World War 2G.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they have a trace he's doing, something very similar to what I'm doing. [SPEAKER_00]: What's he doing? [SPEAKER_00]: Taking his eye, eye three. [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's doing, he's doing something even crazier. [SPEAKER_00]: Into Hell's Run. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's with the atopying partner with like eBay motors. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's building one from scratch. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: That could be fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he's got nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: So at least I have something to say. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, but it's better to start with nothing than the two of us. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean, it's better to start with nothing? [SPEAKER_00]: It's better to start with nothing, no. [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to take that down to nothing and start over again anyway. [SPEAKER_00]: So you might as well just start with nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I have some of the bits.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have, it has a frame, that's a good start. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have a frame. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you that. [SPEAKER_00]: You get the frame fixed. [SPEAKER_00]: The frame's a little rusty. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it'll be good. [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a frame and I've got some wheels. [SPEAKER_01]: That's all you need and a Jeep. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, well guys, come back this weekend where Tommy takes his old Toyota Corolla off-road. [SPEAKER_00]: Why?

[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't you do that? [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't you take Terry off-road? [SPEAKER_00]: What's a Terry video? [SPEAKER_00]: Where'd you take it? [SPEAKER_00]: No, I took the range over off-road. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought it was- Oh, Perry was- You really haven't? [SPEAKER_00]: I took a struggle so much with Perry and Perry. [SPEAKER_00]: It's horrible, Perry and Terry. [SPEAKER_00]: You just stop it already.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you mean, because they have nothing to do with either car and they- Yes, they do! [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_01]: It's Terry the Tercel with the Tercel with the Tercel. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: It's Perry, the P-38. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's no good. [SPEAKER_00]: We already have a name for the new explorer, by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: What's that? [SPEAKER_00]: Perry, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Jerry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Look, we have our, it has to do something with the vehicle itself. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you an idea. [SPEAKER_00]: Perry, the P38. [SPEAKER_00]: So our big, our military truck is a giant general, GG. [SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's giant, and it could be like a military. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Terry, the Tursail. [SPEAKER_00]: A T4X, that is Orange, is called Pumpkin.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's nothing, Terry, Perry, Harry, Jerry, Perry, it has nothing to do with the vehicle. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good names, sir. [SPEAKER_00]: Ferry, the Ford. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_00]: You already came up with the name. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm always no. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we've got that coming off. [SPEAKER_00]: We took that off-road and broken. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, piece of advice. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm broke Perry.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that I bought Perry. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, the Perry does the bumper on Perry is not looking so hot right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Any more comments before we got a bunch of comments coming in. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people like the Jeep idea. [SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan says fixing it up will make a good series. [SPEAKER_01]: There'll be a learning experience. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: They believe in me. [SPEAKER_00]: They said I can fix it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody want to up there monthly? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't pay for this is the problem though. [SPEAKER_00]: Inherently, I applaud you for doing it, Tommy, because what you're doing is you're learning and you're doing something that's fun and you're doing something that's hard to do, which is you're taking something that is old and broken.

[SPEAKER_00]: and you're making a new and usable with the added kind of salt in the wound that you're going to spend more money than you'll ever get back because you're like I said you'll spend 15k on a vehicle a little bit more than 10 maybe maybe yeah and that's I applaud that so I wish you get I wish you would have I wish you get it done but I just don't want that much pressure on you so if if you can't get it done then we can take the old military yeah I know but I think it would be a good challenge to have a deadline

[SPEAKER_01]: But there are some expensive parks like the steering box is ruined and that's like 500 bucks to get a new steering box Right everything's like 500 bucks And then you follow to this trap.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is also a problem where well, you don't want to spend 500 new one But you could buy rebuilt one, but the rebuilt one could be just as bad as the one you can't buy new ones anywhere They have to be rebuilt in the steering boxes Yeah, you could buy new ones you could buy for those you could buy anything new from the top anything I think the top is interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's two companies [SPEAKER_01]: There's a few other companies, but they kind of just re-brand the companies. [SPEAKER_01]: So there's two companies that build Tubbs for these jeeps. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a company in India that builds in brand new, which kind of makes sense because they have a huge [SPEAKER_01]: And so in India, there's a company called Mahindra, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Big company. [SPEAKER_01]: Which bought the rights to essentially my Jeep, the Willie's Jeep.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of them will have to go. [SPEAKER_01]: And then they kept building them. [SPEAKER_01]: And to this day, they still build a version of it called the Thar. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to look up on Mahindra Thar, THAR. [SPEAKER_01]: So Mahindra, I think it might be the same company or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: They actually, they still build the tubs to [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look at that right like that's just a Jeep clearly, but Mahindra builds it in India So you have seven slots, so they do have their license and well one two three [SPEAKER_00]: Six. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so not quite some. [SPEAKER_01]: One less. [SPEAKER_01]: There it is. [SPEAKER_01]: That's essentially what the tub will be. [SPEAKER_01]: And remember we were in that? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we remember that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we drove in that. [SPEAKER_00]: It drives pretty poorly. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, sure, in the knockoff of the Jeep. [SPEAKER_01]: But so you can still buy the tub's, or if the fill up means, they still build the tub's brand new and the fill up means. [SPEAKER_01]: And then imported, like you said, you can get just a tub, but it's like 3K. [SPEAKER_01]: The tub we're talking about the body basically. [SPEAKER_00]: The whole body.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's called the tub because there's no room. [SPEAKER_01]: Because it looks like a bathtub. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or you can buy all of it for like 4500, which will probably have to do with the fenders. [SPEAKER_01]: That's everything. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a friendship. [SPEAKER_01]: That's grill, wood, windshield, fenders, all of it. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's probably the route I'll go down.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then I don't know if like with terrorists, if I can even get this stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, we know that they're still importing it. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna call up. [SPEAKER_01]: What's that company called omics? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, mix. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they just they do the same thing the other companies do they they buy them from the in the air for a mean and then they resell and actually there's like go to look up Kaiser Willy's calm.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Cole So this is pretty cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I think they might be in pencil vein [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, dairy there it is. [SPEAKER_01]: So look like you can see that's kind of what the tub look like. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you see that red one? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's sponsor. [SPEAKER_01]: Not a sponsor. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if you want a sponsor, Tommy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if the three of you watching right now happen to work for Kaiser Willie's Jeep.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you want a sponsor, we're going to call it Jerry. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not Jerry. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a name already. [SPEAKER_01]: What's it? [SPEAKER_01]: Wilbur. [SPEAKER_00]: A fun sake. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a name is Wilbur. [SPEAKER_00]: Wilbur the Jeep, who never gonna get the sponsorship for Wilbur. [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, do better than that. [SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with Wilbur? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, just remember Tuposak when what's his name did it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes! [SPEAKER_00]: That was a great name. [SPEAKER_00]: Why is Wilbur? [SPEAKER_00]: Why is Wilbur just picking the weirdest names naming it? [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing to do with the thing. [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean, Wilbur? [SPEAKER_00]: Wilbur was at the talking horse. [SPEAKER_00]: There's fucking Wilbur or something back in the 60s. [SPEAKER_00]: What was the name of the talking horseback in the 60s?

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, there was a look of Wilbur, the talking horse. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it wasn't Wilbur. [SPEAKER_00]: It was something. [SPEAKER_00]: Just look up talking horse like comedy series. [SPEAKER_00]: What was that horse's name? [SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Ed. [SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Ed, how is that similar to Wilbur? [SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Ed, that was the horse's name. [SPEAKER_00]: What year is this? [SPEAKER_00]: 1961. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Mr. Ed. [SPEAKER_00]: This is what you're doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're just coming up with names. [SPEAKER_00]: I have nothing to do. [SPEAKER_00]: You were talking horses, Mr. Ed. [SPEAKER_00]: And did you remember it? [SPEAKER_00]: Because it was a good song. [SPEAKER_00]: Horses a horse, of course, of course. [SPEAKER_00]: That was Mr. Ed. [SPEAKER_00]: 65 years ago, you still remember the name of the horse? [SPEAKER_00]: Because of, because of, you have a jingle. [SPEAKER_00]: A jingle. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll come up with a jingle.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll come up with a jingle. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll come up with a jingle. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't come up with it. [SPEAKER_01]: Now I need a piano. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a piano and there's got to be a jingle. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to play the piano so you don't need to play the piano. [SPEAKER_01]: That is a problem, but I will learn the piano and then I'll do what I try to do with a jingle on a clarinet. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I will. [SPEAKER_01]: For Wilbur.

[SPEAKER_01]: You remember Wilbur now, won't you? [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Ed Wilbur. [SPEAKER_01]: But Ryan's just Wilbur. [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: You see much of an orange. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, guys, let us know what you think of my crazy Jeep product and also what you think of the new RAF4. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thank you for joining us for another hour of TFL car chat, not dopamine chat or cigarette chat with. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And as always, we're sure to go up to you when I watch all these videos, Tommy. [SPEAKER_01]: Altifl.com, the place to go, or if you want to watch the podcast live and support the team, patreon.com slash tfl.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've asked Cole to work on what we want to do is have you guys actually not just type, but actually be able to call in and talk to us direct so we're working on a way for you guys to be able to do that so that we can have a conversation, which I think would be super fun. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and we'd love to get you actually part of the show beyond just your comments. [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully we can figure that out I mean, there's another way you could do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I could just give up my phone number and they could call in No, he can be one way to do it. [SPEAKER_00]: That would be one way to do it for sure And that could just hold the phone to the mic. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not sure that would not much for that work That would work. [SPEAKER_00]: It just might be bad for my phone number. [SPEAKER_00]: All right guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Let us know what you think. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you guys next time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bye