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On to the Next Chapter. Welcome to the Texas Take. The number one political podcast in the Great State. I'm Scott Braddock and he's Jeremy Wallace. His work, of course, is at Houston Chronicle.com and Jeremy is reporting from Houston today. And of course, you can find the inside story on Texas politics at quorum report.com. Jeremy, it is done. As I said, the election is over. Let's slow down. And talk about it. How you feeling over there?
Man, it's what the caffeine will allow me to do at this point. It's just lots and lots of caffeine and very low sleep. I had a little bit of sleep yesterday, not so much the day before. And of course, that's because I was up in the middle of the night. As I mentioned on a previous show, I do know some people who just don't sleep anymore on election nights ever since 2016. Remember so many things unfolded overnight. And folks woke up and they saw, you know, in that year, something very similar.
To what they would have seen Wednesday morning this week after Trump had declared victory in the early morning hours in front of thousands of his adoring fans. Well, I want to thank you all very much. This is great. These are our friends. We have thousands of friends on this incredible movement.
This was a movement like nobody's ever seen before. And frankly, this was, I believe, the greatest political movement of all time. There's never been anything like this in this country and maybe the other. I will just note that even in a speech that's pretty subdued by Trump standards, he still says that that movement was the biggest one in the history of the earth. A few people said to me, he seemed a little toned down a journey, but I think it was just tired.
It was what to a clock in the morning here, central time. So I think it was three o'clock where he was. Vice President Harris chose to be quite gracious in her concession speech. My heart is full today. My heart is full today. Full of gratitude for the trust you have placed in me. Full of love for our country. And full of resolve. The outcome of this election is not what we wanted, not what we fought for, not what we voted for, but hear me when I say. Hear me when I say.
The light of America's promise will always burn bright. We will get to our Texas races, including the race for US Senate in just a bit, but let's stop and talk about the presidential and the election overall for just a bit here, Jeremy, because all of it informs what happened at the state level and then down to the legislative level and local level as well.
Judicial races as well. We're on the ballot and Republicans swept their Republicans had a pretty great night here in Texas and all across the country. But I think the real story is maybe not so much how strong the Republicans were, but how weak the Democrats were. And here's what I mean. You were at that rally in Houston with Beyonce and Harris.
And I'm putting them in that order for that for a reason. There was so many people who are excited about Beyonce, not that they're not excited about Harris. But by the numbers, they weren't excited about Harris. When we were talking about that rally before and I'm using that as the Texas example, I was wondering whether this is real. Right. The Democrats, let me put it this way.
They took an historic gamble in the way that they reset the top of the ticket. Right. They got, you know, they moved the president aside, they moved the vice president. And at that time, I'm thinking.
And some folks are going to think that I sound like a conservative talk show host or something. I'm a it, but just stick with me. At that time, I was thinking, look, nobody voted for her. Right. They didn't. And I'm being charitable and nice to say that when she ran for president four and five years ago during that 19, 20 cycle.
It's not that people didn't like her. It's not that people hated her or anything. It's just that she didn't cast a shadow. Right. She didn't even make it to Iowa, not one person back then voted for her either. Right. And so all of the marketing that we saw around her campaign at the DNC, you were also at that.
That the sort of the theme that we that we were, you know, all presented with from the campaign of joy and Oprah shouting the word joy at the convention. Well, when we started to look at the early voting numbers, I could just see it that that joy and that enthusiasm was not there. Right. By the time the early voting numbers were complete in Texas.
By the time we had it over that, you know, over that weekend, heading into election day, the Democrats were fully 1.2 million votes or so behind the Republicans and being able to make that up on election day seemed like a near impossibility. And so people are going to study it for a long time.
The way that the Democrats really just collapse nationally and you know, Trump had, you know, a great night all across America, but I don't think that the story again is that much about how great the Republicans were here. It's just that the Democrats really didn't come up with a candidate or messages that really resonated with people in this election.
Well, until your point on the early voting really like look, it's just Houston. It doesn't mean anything nationwide. I know, but I think it's emblematic of maybe what you're talking about with Kamala Harris's energy, right.
Go back to when they had that rally with Beyonce. One of the things that you know the Republicans I was talking to were expecting after that Beyonce rally that that would produce a boost in early voting from Democrats in Houston and Harris County. So they look for Saturday and Sunday that there would be a bounce.
And it never came. They never saw anything change. It's like, you know, Democrats typically do better on turnout for their Saturday and Sunday in Harris County. Then they do during the rest of the week. And that was the weekend that they knew they would have to survive. And so when they saw Beyonce coming into with Kamala Harris and you know, Colin Oliver, they're like, oh gosh, okay.
They're going to get a surge here, but it never came. And like so Beyonce wasn't able to translate whatever she was going to do on that into votes. And so that alone tells you goes to what you're talking about that I think the Democrats had definitely underperformed in places like Houston where they needed to outperform. But that's not to take away like I keep telling people like the Republicans did a lot of things to make this happen. And we can get into that a little bit too.
Because one of the things, you know, you know, you go back to those stories I wrote about when we got to that 18 point, you know, 18.0 million and then going up to the 18.6 million registered voters. We kind of talked about it, you know, in that show where we talked about how the Republicans knew they were having, you know, troubles with their with the voter registration game they had in their ground game.
And what they did is they got serious about it. And they did stuff on the ground to kind of amp up and get ready for a cycle like this. It's not like they sat there and just got, oh, let's hope this next next time goes better.
They did stuff with their voter registration game to know who was coming in so they could bounce off what Harris County would get. And so if you look at the results of the presidential election particularly in Texas, you'll see that Colin County went back right, you know, it was going, it was trending left for the last three presidential cycles. It went rightward. You know, Fort Bend County, you know, the Democrats won there, but not by as much Williams and County flipped back over to the West.
And so he flipped back over to Trump, you know, so he's like, you know, that's a suburban County that, you know, had gone for Hillary Clinton and Biden and he flipped it back over. And so you can see like, so nationally, I think, you know, Republicans, you know, were better at their messaging on the ground in the state. They were better at taking care of this voter registration surge and trying to address it.
And so on the ground in Houston, Republicans did a lot of smart things down the end. Look, a lot of people would say, you're done, you're toast. This is a blue County, you know, it's like, but they at least fought it and they won down ballot in some Harris County like judicial races.
They nearly knocked out the County attorney, Christian Menophe, like that was a close race all night long and nobody saw that coming. But again, I think it's like, while everybody sees Democrats, you know, drop the ball on a lot of stuff, there's also a case to be made. Look, the Republicans took advantage of that drop ball and places in Texas and Houston and even nationally in places like Pennsylvania.
Well, Harris County is not nearly as democratic as Dallas County, for example, there are a lot of Republican votes in Harris County. People forget that the last time the county judge in Harris County was up for reelection. She almost lost right to a Republican. And so I think when we look at the things that were done by Republicans in Texas, you know, I'm a farm boy. I think in agrarian terms.
And we'll talk a little bit more about what happened in South Texas, but there has been a lot of seed planting done with Republicans along the Rio Grande and in other areas and those crops are coming up now because they've been doing the work. I would say that in a lot of two things. One is this and it's not to make an excuse for Texas Democrats because, as I said at Quorum Report.com this week, what else is new?
Democrats lose in Texas. Come on. So that's not some major headline to me. But these two things. One, the presidential race. And this has always been the case to me. It just out shines everything else to such a degree that it impacts every one of those races. Right. I mean, Ted Cruz, we were expecting maybe he would win his race by two or three points, something like that.
I was told the night before the election that Cruz's campaign was getting pretty confident that they were going to win more by like six or seven or something like that. And of course, we saw the number grow. And it is a look. This is the other thing. The second thing. In a lot of ways during this election, at least.
I don't know that the Republicans were that great at their messaging as we talked about on our last program. They were doing some things that were actively just trying to piss off Latinos who ended up voting for them in big numbers anyway.
But admit, this is what it is. America for this election was a lot like Texas in this respect. Republicans could just screw up as much as they wanted because the Democrats were so terrible. They were collapsing in on themselves because of the way that they ran the campaign overall.
Yep. Well, let me let me let me speak to the Star Wars fans out there. Here's my pep talk for both sides. Right. So like if you're Democrat, look, you just came out of the new hope, right? You had the Beto work rap, you know, year, you had the 2020 presidential cycle where you know, Texas look at getting closer.
You're excited. The future's coming. But guess what? You're now in Empire Strikes Back. They frozen Han Solo. Your heroes are gone. Like things things are back to like, oh, you get a slug ahead. But here's the good news. You're in Empire Strikes Back. There's more movies to come. All right. You guys get some hope here on the Republican. And look, y'all are actually now, you know, if you're the rebels in this case, if you're a Republican, you're the ones who are in the return of the Jedi at this point. Trump is back. Right.
You succeeded. You know, he was, he was frozen in carbonite all that time. But he's back now boys. Like, get ready to go. But seriously, it's like, it tells you a lot about look, our politics is an up and down thing. Right. You know, it's like, there's going to be trends back and forth. And like, there's so many people who will want to proclaim, all right, Texas is red, Texas is blue, Texas is purple. It's like, look, we, we come. We go up and down with whatever's happening with everybody else, including nationally. Right. So like it's like, you know, we're going to be in a lot of things.
Right. So like, like we were talking about Harris County, you know, I think this is such a great example. And like you said, it's been a Republican place for so long. Like for 36 consecutive years, the Republican presidential candidate carried Harris County, 36 consecutive years from LBJ, you know, all the, you know, the Bush administration. It was always Republican.
But what happened, what gave people hope that this, you know, that Harris County was switching and the state would then have to eventually be impacted by it was at these last three election cycles. Right. We've talked about on the show to go from, you know, Mitt Romney, winning by 16 to Trump to nine, then to 5.6 for Biden.
You know, you know, he only lost by 5.6. People thought Harris would trim that even further. It just didn't happen. Like she's back to where Hillary Clinton was. Actually, she's underperforming where Hillary Clinton was in 2016.
Well, and there was not my favorite video that was shown over and over again on a loop was one of those moments from CNN this week where they look at the magic wall. And I think John King is always doing their numbers there. And he was asked, can you show us the counties were Harris did better than Biden four years ago.
And they tried to light that up on the map and not one county lit up. So this is how this is how many, but not just millions of votes tens of millions of votes that were lost by the Democrats from the ticket with Biden at the top to the ticket with Harris at the top not to the complication of the politics of this state.
And our political complexion you mentioned, you know, Texas going this way, Texas going that way, it's worth pointing out to all of our friends in our profession, our colleagues, journalists around the state who, by the way, almost all of them listen to this show. And believe me, I can tell that I saw all of these newspaper headlines that said a blood bath for Democrats in Texas. And it is true that Colin all red was slaughtered on election night politically.
And I think about this, there was a 10 and you pointed this out over and over again, Jeremy, the changing number for the presidential results in Texas kept trending toward the Democrats to the point where in 2020, it was a five point spread just about something like that 5.5%. And then of course this week, it was a 10 point swing back the other way 14 or 15 points when all the dust, when all the dust settled from the election with Trump beating Harris by that wide of a margin.
And then the 10 point swing to the Republican statewide only one incumbent Democrat in the legislature lost her seat down in the valley, which is significant.
But if you want to know what a real blood bath look like legislatively in the state, you go back to 2010. Remember what had just happened in 2008 Barack Obama was elected and he had coattails, by the way, after his election in a way that Texas House was evenly split. He helped a bunch of Democrats win that year. And it was tied essentially Jeremy was 76 Republicans is 74 Democrats.
By the next legislative session, the 2010 election between the 09 and 11 sessions in the 2010 election, when there was all the backlash to the first African American in the White House and the backlash to the Affordable Care Act. Do you know how many seats Democrats lost in the house that year in 2010? It wasn't wasn't one or two. It was 25.
It went from 76 Republicans to whatever it was more than 100 Republicans. It was a super majority. That is a blood bath. And I think that tells you a lot because the reason that it didn't change that much this time around Jeremy is because the faster the state grows.
Redistricting works both ways what happened in 2021, which a lot of people forget is it was basically a deal. They wouldn't say it this way, but it was a deal between the Republicans and Democrats to protect incumbents, especially in those fast growth areas. So even though, as you pointed out, Colin County was getting more red, the incumbent Democratic state representative won her race against a Republican there. Right.
And in places like Hayes County, Williamson County, the Democrats in the legislature, they weren't even in any trouble. Right. Nothing happened with their races at all. South Texas is where you're starting to see some of that movement. Well, and what a great point though, because like if you think about like, you know, let's look at in Houston with Lizzie Fletcher, the Congresswoman there had beaten John Colbert in in 2018.
And I think it's like in her race was still competitive in 2020, she ends up winning that imagine how much different that race would be if those old district lines were in place during a year in which Trump did as well as he did. You know, she made many a lot tougher battle for her reelection, but it wasn't it was a cakewalk. That was one of those swing districts that was completely a cakewalk.
Even that redistricting, you know, look at that, the Tony Gonzalez race, you know, Tony Gonzalez, the Congressman from San Antonio and heard that district essentially from Will heard that was like the swing of swings, you know, counties anywhere or districts anywhere. It just would always go back and forth always a narrow fight this year. No, not so much because redistricting took out all those bumps that you're talking about not just for Republicans, but also for the Democrats.
So the truth seats that Colin all read as a Congressman and Lizzie Fletcher one that would have typically been the battle zones weren't battle zones at all this time around. Yeah, well, you know, on the other side of that Henry Quayar is under investigation. You know, you know, here comes the federal indictment and all that sort of stuff and he just wins anyway. Yeah, because those lines are sort of congressman is your victory.
It doesn't even matter. So all right. So let's move on to and look, we're going to track everything that's going to happen. I know some people are going to say, oh, yellow being so not so long to about this. There are all these fears about mass deportations as usual. Texas would be on the front lines of that if it happens. We will hold the administration accountable about what has been said and what has been promised on that.
There's all the fears about a nationwide abortion ban. We're going to talk about some of that coming up in just a little bit here. I know people are genuinely afraid of the policy outcomes from all of this, but I would expect, and this does not make anybody feel any better right now, but I would expect. And every Republican consultant I know would say the same thing.
2026 may be a blood and actual blood bath for Republicans in Texas, depending on what happens with a Trump administration over the next two years. So in the Senate race, what happened? Let's go to Houston where Jeremy is reporting from today. And that was the site of Ted Cruz's celebration. God be the glory. Senator Cruz winning by a large margin over Colin Allred, the Democrat from Dallas. Cruz thanked various supporters, including some from the opposing party.
I also want to thank all the Democrats across Texas who crossed over and supported my campaign. Including especially Harris County District Attorney Kim Al. Who has stood strong for prosecuting violent criminals? So the little governor Dan Patrick just today is criticizing Speaker Dayed feeling for being elected with crossover voters for Democrats in his primary. But I don't hear him criticizing Cruz over that. I'm just going to point that out.
Cruz says that the voters in this state were very clear about what they want. The people of Texas have spoken. And their message rings clear as a bell across our great state. Texas will remain Texas. Now, of course, all this is boilerplate stuff. Here's what I actually want to talk about from his speech, Jeremy. He said it was incredible to see so many Hispanics across the state voting for him and other Republicans. We are seeing tonight generational change in South Texas.
The results tonight, this decisive victory should shake the Democrat establishment to its core. He said that during the campaign he spent months talking with people in the Rio Grande Valley and he learned a lot from them. Our Hispanic communities aren't just leaving the Democrat Party. They're coming home to conservative values they never left. They understand something the liberal elites never will. There's nothing progressive about open borders.
There is nothing compassionate about chaos. And there is nothing Latino about letting criminals roam free. And just for good measure, we're not tacos. I see he's doing his stand-up act again. This whole deal with Hispanics voting for Republicans and all this credit going to Donald Trump, I feel is misplaced. And let me tell you why. I do remember 10 years ago, Jeremy, when Governor Greg Abbott, at the time he was the Attorney General, was running against state Senator Wendy Davis, a Democrat.
And look, it was a race he was going to win. And he did. By 21 points, even though $40 million was spent on behalf of Senator Davis, of course Republicans spent tens of millions of dollars as well. Abbott at that time was spending, this is a decade ago, he was spending a lot of money in the valley, in counties like Cameron County, Hidalgo County, etc.
And I remember talking with a Republican consultant at the time and I said, why are they doing that? And my friends says, well, look, they know they're going to win anyway. So Dave Carney, who is the consultant to Abbott, had asked this question, if we're going to win anyway, we have all these resources.
What could we do now in this campaign that moves the ball forward for Republicans? What they started to do was they were working on Republican infrastructure in those areas, in that entire region, from the valley all the way up to Corpus Christi. And you have seen some other groups that have come in and done similar work more recently cultivating the land there for Republicans.
But it's not just something that happened overnight. And it's not, you know, it's not just because Latinos suddenly are in love with Donald Trump. I would compare it to what happened in D.P.'s Texas going back 15, 20 years ago, where in places like Nakadocha's, Tyler, etc. They were still electing democratic state representatives and state senators for years after other rural areas had turned Republican and they were voting for Republicans.
But the word just hadn't gotten to them that guess what? The party you're voting for nationally doesn't represent your values anymore. And that kind of change as far as getting people to, you know, if they've historically voted for Democrats to get them to move over to Republicans, that doesn't just happen organically. Someone has to do it. Someone has to go make the case to them and it's through mail pieces, it's through block walking, and you know, now it's also through digital ads, etc.
That they're constantly seeing these messages about, and this goes to, you know, one of the issues that was litigated in the campaign. Some people will say a made up issue. This idea about boys and girls' sports. Well, guess what? A lot of those conservative folks there who have been voting for Democrats didn't like hearing about that. And they go, oh, wow, those Democrats like that. And Democrats for those who were on the receiving end of that attack, they would say we're not for that either.
You heard Colin already say that over and over again. But it worked in much the same way that in 2020, the whole attack about defunding the police worked against Democrats, right? And Democrats would have to say, we're not for that. But they never could get a message together that really countered it in the way that the Republicans were really hitting them with it.
Yeah, and like what you said there about like that investment that, you know, particularly Abbott made like one of the things I like to remind people of is that that last re-election campaign that Greg Abbott started up. He had several kickoffs, but the original kickoff was actually in Nuisice County at an almost entirely Hispanic group. You could see that they were building towards the future and trying to kind of, try to put down more effort into the valley particularly.
So yeah, I think it's a long term thing they were building. And one of the things that particularly they saw and like, and I think a lot of people who aren't familiar with South Texas maybe like don't understand this, but there's a part for Republicans that was frustrating because like you understand why Hispanics in like the urban cores, you know, might vote Democratic because urban cores typically will do things like that, right?
But in the more like rural areas of some of those counties, you know, people were still voting Democratic, you know, it's like and so I think what the, you know, the, the Abbott team and other Republicans, you know, paying attention to it started to kind of understand is like, wait, wait, we can tailor our message to, you know,
to Hispanic voters just like we would white voters who don't live in the urban areas. Let's go after those people and treat them as just voters and not just as all your Hispanic. And I think that's kind of where like, you know, you get to the core of the core of this election was still like how much money I'm spending at the grocery store, right?
For people, it doesn't matter if you're Hispanic, Black or white, like you're still going to the grocery store and you're spending a lot of money on the grocery store, you know, and the Republicans had a message to it was is like, let's stop that. Let's change that. And the Democrats never had like a message to kind of address that, right? You know, you heard stuff like eventually from Kamala Harris, like how she wanted to address the economy and going as to price gouging and things like that.
But it's harder to make that case, which is like, you know, I'm going to bring down your cost. You know, that's pretty much the message that Trump was able to kind of get to voters. And again, if you're, you know, whether you're white, Hispanic or Black, it's like you're spending too much of the grocery store right now.
And they were kind of ripe for a message, a clean cut message that could kind of motivate them one way or the other. And I just not sure if either all read or Kamala Harris. And they were really the biggest games in town, right? Like I'm not sure either one of them was able to say something succinctly as like, why should I vote for you?
Well, and maybe it's not, well, maybe it's not a case that they could make. I mean, you know, as stunning as the collapse of the Democrats nationally was, I'm not back and off of that comment. In a lot of ways, what is sort of just by the tradition in America, what was supposed to happen kind of did happen, which is people are angry about the current situation. And they rejected the party that's in office.
Yep, right. I mean, that's that's bait. That's easy stuff right there. And even though and look, think about all the work that President Biden did to pull this country past the pandemic and then try to get a handle on inflation.
And in a lot of ways, it has been dealt with, you know, not sufficiently for voters obviously and not sufficiently for me either or you, you know, everything is still too expensive, right? And no one's ever going to give you credit for things not being nearly, you know, but nobody's going to give you credit for, you know, cutting the price of something if it's still more expensive than it used to be. Correct. Let me say that way. So, so the economic headwinds that Democrats faced were real.
And, you know, as you said, with all red, he couldn't come up with anything either in his concession speech. He chose to be, well, pretty gracious the same way that Vice President Harris was. You can't just be a patriot when your side wins. So tonight, we didn't win, but we will continue to be patriots. And they're right. I'll give crews and all red points for this. Both of them in their comments did talk about the things that they actually worked to litigate the election about.
So crews was talking about immigration, talking about the economy, et cetera. For all reds part, he said the fight for reproductive rights for women in this state doesn't end just because the election on Tuesday didn't go the way Democrats wanted it to. And I really especially want to thank all the incredibly brave Texas women who've come forward and told their stories.
Amanda Zoroski, Kate Cox, Lauren Miller, Dr. Austin Denard, Taylor Edwards, I could keep going. There are so many brave Texas women who've told their stories. And Ali and I will never forget them and we will never stop fighting to overturn this abortion ban here in Texas. And he said it takes courage to keep going after the numbers looked the way they looked. This country is worth fighting for. Understand that. This state is worth fighting for.
We are a great country. Nobody needs to make us great again. We are great because we are good. And we are good because that's who we are as a people. And so I don't want to see anybody putting their heads down. I want you to put your shoulders back and your head up and walk out of your tall that you participated in an American election. That's what we do. Because in this country we don't settle our differences in the streets. We don't settle it with violence. We settle it at the ballot box.
Already at his most inspiring there on the issue of abortion. On the issue of abortion Jeremy. Just a few thoughts about it. And we'll have some listeners who don't agree with this at all. But in looking at some of the polling data and some of the exit polling that we saw about the abortion issue. It is significant that the women who seemed to be the most angry about what was going on in Texas or what is going on in Texas with the restrictions that we have.
They were in the older demographic. But women who are 55 65 plus were the most upset about the restrictions. And just anecdotally and talking to different folks about it. It seems that those older women who can remember what it was like before Roe versus Wade was put in place. They were the ones who it really resonated with to have this message of we're not going back. That was the thing that Harris kept saying.
Already saying a version of that we're not going back because those older women can remember what it was like back then. And so that seemed to resonate with them politically. And just from the execution of a campaign standpoint. That's difficult because if you look at the older demographics, they're basically evenly split between Republicans and Democrats.
And the way one one of the political geniuses here in Austin put it to me was they said, you know, with the older voters, it's always a game of inches because they are basically locked in. They're either Republicans or Democrats. And so if you have some older women who are leaning Democratic, then it's not going to move the ball very much as far as the overall numbers in the campaign.
If they could have fired up younger women about it, that might be, you know, something that would have worked, but it just it never seemed to happen. And again, this is anecdotal. But in talking with younger female voters around the state, which I did. The first thing they would always bring up about what are they worried about? I said, what are you worried about? Why are you voting? What are you concerned about? What do you want government to focus on?
The first thing out of their mouth would always be it's too expensive to buy a home groceries or too expensive, all of that sort of stuff. Eventually they might get to the issue of abortion. But I will also say on the question of what happened in the swing states in Pennsylvania as a as a prime example. Do you really think that Democrats would have been able to fire up women about abortion in Pennsylvania? In Pennsylvania, they can just get one.
They don't have anything like what we have in Texas where they have situations where they go to the hospital and they're told that they can't be helped because of these restrictions. And I'm still under the impression and someone can make their case to me if I'm not right. I'm under the impression that younger women still don't know that much about this. And I should probably say it this way.
Younger people don't know that much about it. It's young families who are going to the men and the women go into the hospital. The women's having a complication with the pregnancy. And we still hear these stories today, Jeremy, even after all this time that these restrictions were put in place as recently as last week. I was hearing a story from someone about how they had gone to the hospital. They weren't able to get help.
And it was the first that that family had heard about it that they wouldn't be able to get help. And so for as much as we've covered it here on the show, as much as the media has covered this, as much as Democrats have talked about it, for those people who are not paying attention to this, that it's impacting their lives. But by the numbers, it's not impacting lives at the same order of magnitude that problems with the economy would be bothering people.
Yeah, and to that point, I think you're right there, right? Where it's like abortion actually wasn't on the ballot, you know, as much as Democrats wanted to make it the case. But when you do put abortion on the ballot, you see it passes in a place like Ohio or in Kansas. In Missouri, they had abortion rights. Yeah, they had abortion rights.
Yeah, where their abortion rights issues do, like people will come out and vote for that. But it's different when a candidate is trying to tell you, you know, I'm either going to stop it from happening or, you know, we're going to try to undo what happened. And I think that's one of the problems, particularly that was happening in Texas. You know, I don't have evidence of this.
But one of the things that I call an order was in a position where he was trying to like get people fired up to go stop an abortion ban. That's already in place that that he himself would not be able to flip over. It's like in there's a point where I think it's just it's a harder call for people to make like, you know, voting for me is to voice your frustration over the abortion ban.
And I'll go to DC and try to change it. But like there was it's clearly a tough sell, right? It's not like it's not like if I vote for Colin all read over Ted Cruz, abortion will be legal in the state again. Right. That's not what was the choice between four voters and women are smart enough to know that that's what they were voting for. They were voting to to oppose where the state had its abortion ban not necessarily to be able to actually turn it over.
People know that it's going to take a much longer, you know, fight in DC and in future governor races for us to ever have that discussion. But it goes to like I think this is the point to talk about I talked about this to the greatest Houston partnership earlier this week and I want to thank them for having me on board.
But the thing about elections like obviously hate is a big motivator right like if you, you know, you make crews out to be a terrible guy and you're going to get voters who want to vote out Ted Cruz. Same thing with Donald Trump. You have an enemy like that's who we want to take out. But you also have to have love. It's a hate and love game when you're dealing with politics. And so the candidates who can motivate a base who will vote for you even in spite of whoever's on the other side, right.
Think about Barack Obama. Think about Beto or work people who had just following well, even Donald Trump. You know people who love the guy regardless of who he's running for and it's going to come out no matter what. And I think in both Colin all reds case and Kamala Harris's case, neither one of them had long enough track record, particularly with voters in Texas to say to have people who say, you know what, even if it's going to rain cats and dogs on election morning like it didn't Houston.
It was raining pretty hard. It's like now you're put in that position of do I love Colin all right enough to get out into this storm and try to get to the polling place or not. And I think that's what was missing for both Kamala Harris and all right and not necessarily to their fault right. Like if you're going to run for president, it kind of. Well, it's the fault of their part. It's the fault of their party. I mean, they pick let's get real here. So it's great point.
So for for her, the people again, as I said at the beginning of the show, when she ran four years ago, she just didn't cast a shadow. Nobody even knew who she was.
And for the only times that she ever got attention as vice president, it was usually for something that she was being criticized about like the border, for example, they were having to introduce someone as the standard bearer for the Democratic party over a period of just a few months, you know, between just the time right before the convention at the convention where they get their big, you know, hopefully they get their big bounce out of the convention, both parties hope for that.
And then try to finish up the race and all that stuff about hope and joy and all of that. I heard some Democrats trying to pitch it to me as if as if Kamala Harris wasn't just the next coming of Obama that she was even better than Obama's the case they were trying to make. And people just didn't even know who she was and I had a Democrat who was almost on election night, Jeremy was almost screaming at me on the phone, not mad at me, but just mad at the whole situation.
There may be there might have had a few drinks and they were just screaming about this and they said, look, when the maneuver was made to take Biden off the ballot and then put someone else there. Democrats and this should be said, Democrats could have picked anybody and they had a they had a they have a deep bench, right, if people say, hey, it needs to be a woman, they have Gruch and Whitmer and Michigan as an example.
If it needs to be somebody who's a masterful campaigner, somebody who can really make an argument, it could be Gavin Newsom in California, it could have been one of the more moderate Democrats like Andy Bashir from Kentucky, they weren't going to do that. And you remember at the time, there was a hot debate with them and I'm not even going to say what they should have done. That's not my place. But the point is this, they had a chance to do anything they wanted.
They had a robust discussion about it. Remember all these names got thrown around. Remember we had a show where we highlighted all of the different comments from different people who might eventually become the Democratic nominee and some of the people were the ones I just mentioned, right.
And they chose Harris. They made this big gamble and it didn't work out. It's like going to the casino and putting all your money on red seven at the roulette wheel. And if that hits, man, your whole trip is paid for. But if not, better luck next time. Well, and to that point though, because she had such a small window to kind of build up that love that you would normally build up during an entire election cycle.
You know, theoretically, if this had been an open primary, you would have had all that time being on TV, back last Christmas and going on from there. And so, and she didn't have the same kind of base like a Joe Biden, like Joe Biden, you know, like obviously people see him in the advantage point of today. But remember, he has like people who just love him in the union movement particularly.
It's like, you know, he has like legitimate love, you know, and so, and that's what you saw in 2020, even if Trump wasn't the opponent, people were going to come out and vote for Joe Biden because he had developed that over, you know, a career. Harris, I think, is just not that she doesn't have the potential of it, but she's still such a question mark. And as you point out, it's not just that her, her election when she ran for president in 2020 wasn't memorable.
But the problem for her was that she started off as kind of like, you know, one of the favorites. Like people thought she was going to be the thing. Right. And then she wasn't. And that's kind of harder. It's a, it's a, it's a reverse of like a guy like Pete Buttigieg, right, who we did not think, you know, nobody knew who he was. And then he outperformed himself builds a name for himself. And they go, hey, this guy's worth watching.
Kamala Harris and kind of, you know, not to pick on better work, but they were both kind of the same thing. They get into the races. People are like, oh, these guys are going to kill it. And they killed it for early on. And then they just slowly faded off into the ether.
And Kamala Harris never had that chance to kind of like she made some stops in Texas. I was there for them. Yeah. But she was never able to kind of really like present herself to people in a long enough capacity to have like people go, you know what? That is who my gal is. So the moral of the story is you better have love and hate when you're going into an election cycle, whether you're running for the Senate or for president of the United, say, you've got to have both of those.
You can't just make the other guys high like people are going to vote to get rid of that guy, but they need a reason to vote for you too. You can't be just one way. And I think that particularly for the all red message and really for Kamala Harris's message, the message to me, the overall all-changed message to me was, you know, vote for Kamala Harris because it's not Donald Trump. It'll stop Trump in his tracks. And that might be an okay message, but you got to do more than that.
Yeah. And in both TAD to that, in both cases with her campaign four and five years ago, and then the campaign this time around, she's not, she wasn't durable, you know, beyond the marketing.
The marketing worked kind of both times, right? In a Senate campaign, you can get away with having it be about marketing most of the way through, but a presidential campaign is very different. David Axelrod, who of course was an advisor to Obama, he said it sort of this way. I'm probably, I'm paraphrasing, but this is pretty close to right. He said, in a presidential campaign, that's the campaign in which you get to know the person as a complete person because it goes on for so long.
And there are so many events that people see. You do the town halls and you have, you do have the marketing as well that goes with it, but you get, you know, you get to, to fully vet the person. And you have to be really durable to make that work. Now speaking of abortion, did you see on 60 minutes Sunday night, basically on the eve of the election.
They really put the spotlight on Texas abortion restrictions. And the doctors that they featured on CBS said that this shouldn't be political, which I kind of found funny, they said it shouldn't be political. This is Dr. Emily Briggs. I know she's, she's sincere, but there's no way to divorce abortion from politics. She said, look, it shouldn't be about Republicans and Democrats. It should be about what's good for women.
We're not looking at this from a partisan standpoint. We're not saying, we're enemies. What we need to look at this as is we can all come together to make this safer for women in Texas just by making some changes to these rules. If nothing changes, then what? We lose physicians in Texas. We lose healthy mothers. We lose families in general.
Right. We have seen some of that already since these restrictions have been passed. They did a full report on this on the, as I said, right before the election on 60 minutes. And of course, you had Republicans saying, well, they're only airing this. They're only putting this on the TV before the election for political reasons.
Well, the restrictions are in place before and after the election. So that's why I'm talking about it now because that that's in the rearview, baby. The voting, the voting is over with, but guess what? Women are still living with this here in this state every day. Dr. Eve Espie is the chair of the OB-GYN department at the University of New Mexico. What is it that a resident can learn here in New Mexico that they can't learn in Texas?
I mean, so many things. They lack an opportunity to learn trauma-informed care, diagnosing pregnancy complications in the first trimester and in the second trimester. They miss learning, miscarriage care, a topic pregnancy care, pregnancy of unknown location. I mean, the list goes on and on. I mean, there's something pretty important things to know how to do. Really important things.
Those things are part of the training required to become a certified OB-GYN anywhere in the U.S. But here's the problem. In Texas, some training is no longer offered because of the new laws. That means OB-GYN residents now have to leave the state for two to four week rotations to get the required training. Is that long enough to really learn the lessons of all these various things you've just described? No, it's not enough time.
So if you think the debate over this is over because of the election result or anything, you're far from correct. I remember more than 10 years ago when Senator Wendy Davis, the Democrat, who I mentioned who ran against Greg Abbott later, when she was filibustering the sweeping abortion law that was proposed at that time in 2013. She stood on the floor of the Senate for 13 hours, speaking against it.
One of the abortion rights supporters said to me, if they pass this thing, you know they'll be back to do other stuff. And that bill, that piece of legislation, one of the main things that it did Jeremy was it regulated the width of hallways in clinics with the goal of shutting them down. Well, this advocate said to me, they'll always be able to be back to do more things. I said, what more could they do? And they said they can always do more.
And if you don't think there's going to be legislation filed next session about abortion, you're wrong. What kinds of things? Well, I know that the medical community would really like to get some clarity from the legislature about what the exceptions really look like when it comes to the health of the mother. Right now, it's our understanding that if a woman is bleeding out and dying in front of a doctor, that's really the only exception for a legal abortion in this state at this point.
But even those in the medical community will tell you that the way that that's worded in the law, it's so vague that they doctors don't know when they're allowed to do things. So guess what? If they might be civilly or even criminally liable for what might happen, that's when they start turning people away because these situations with complications with pregnancy, you know, there are some things that are standard.
Everything's different. Every patient comes into different. And this is what happens when you have people trying to basically be the doctor, but they're doing it remotely from the Texas Capitol building. They are telling doctors what they can and can't do. And I do think that there is something to this when people will say, you know, those who are anti abortion, they would say their pro life, those who are anti abortion.
That they that those people want it to be vague. That they don't want for doctors to know exactly what they are allowed to do. So some of the things I can imagine that will be fought about next session is clarifying those, you know, those exceptions, that's one thing. But then we'll also see some other things that will go the other direction. We have seen in the past legislation filed to criminalize women who seek abortions in the past.
That has all of that stuff has just not gone anywhere. Didn't go anywhere in committee. Didn't even get votes in committee. But with the vote that we saw yesterday, I guarantee you or this week, I mean, with the vote that we saw this week, I guarantee you there are those in the pro life movement, who will see who will see this as a moment to be emboldened and to go even further. And to prosecute women if they have an abortion. And so that debate is coming to the Texas Capitol near you.
Well, and to dovetail what you said, if y'all watch that CBS 60 minutes piece, and if you're a reader of the Texas Tech newsletter, you knew this was coming, right? You know, back in the summer, I wrote about how the applications for residency in Texas were already down, right? They weren't having as many people apply for resinsies in Texas, but not just for obese, you know, in that line.
But also for ER applications and pediatric care. It's like other people who are going into other parts of health care are kind of worried about doing their residency in Texas for some of what's happening. So it goes well beyond, you know, and you know, you and I've talked about this before on the show about like, look, we already have a significant shortage of doctors available in some parts of the state.
You know, if you're up in the pain handle, there are some stretches there where, like to try to get to an OB, you know, is going to take you an hour, you know, at best, right? It's like you're already having a hard time, but these laws potentially complicate that even more. If fewer people then come into replace the boomer ages who have retired and the generation X's we're going to start retiring.
If younger, you know, potential doctors are saying, you know what? I'm going to pass on Texas because of all these rules. It's like, you know, again, what you heard on 60 minutes is a continuation of what we talked about in the summer. This is real y'all. It's like there are there are people who are starting their careers up given the choice of where to practice medicine.
It's not having to pick someplace else. You know, it's like at some point the the legislature, like, there's a way to probably and I like how she, you know, this was framed in the 60 minutes piece you heard that from some of the interviews, where it's just like this doesn't have to be like a pro like pro choice issue.
You know, in some regards, some way you just have to clarify at least some basics to make sure doctors know what they can and can't do and make sure they're not going to get sued over. You know, some decision they make to try to save a woman when like somebody could come back on the back end, you know, you heard like in some of the cases, Ted Cruz at one point during the back and forth and camera where this was.
I'm not sure if it was on TV or during the debate or later on, but there was one point where he said, look, the law is clear, like what people can and can't do. It's like, well, no, it's not that's not made. It's not if doctors don't think it's clear. Right. You know, if doctors would be the ones to know that, you know, well, not only that, but the doctors also listen to all the other stuff we talked about in terms of our law.
Remember, we have that law in place where anybody who thinks that you had an abortion can sue you in your family for helping you get an abortion. Yeah, that's one of the things. You know, you don't even have to be in the state of Texas to do that. You can be in, you know, Boise Idaho and think that, you know, I think that doctor performed something and the lawsuit begins.
It's like, there's no protection for that. And so if you're, you know, again, if you're doing your, you know, residency in the state of Texas and you have an option to do it, and I don't know New York or California. You know, what are you going to make the decision for? You know, I think it's pretty clear where people would prefer to not be in jeopardy of being sued.
One other thing to track after the election, a couple of things actually with this one real quick, Senator John Corning, the senior senator from Texas has been campaigning for Republicans and other states trying to build that Senate majority. And they were successful. The Republicans will be running the show in the US Senate before election night. Jeremy had talked with the senator about that at an event here in Texas.
But Jeremy, as you know, with, we're at 51 49 now and with West Virginia looks like that's really a virtually uncontested general election will be at 50 50. And you mentioned the states where we, where I believe the most likely pickups will occur. Montana and Ohio, I'll be going to Ohio tomorrow morning to join Bernie Merino or candidate there.
But I think there's going to be more seats where Republicans will add to that number. I'm hesitant to give you a number because it'll invariably be wrong. But I'm pretty confident that Republicans will be in the majority come next year. And he was correct. That's what's going to happen, Jeremy. And of course, he is in the running to be the majority leader now that Mitch McConnell, the majority, the minority leader at the moment is stepping aside.
And so much of this comes down to not just the work that he's done to elect Republicans. If that is all it was, then he would probably just be the guy. And that's it. And it's usually whenever they have a change over change in the guard at, you know, whoever helped build the majority of the most is the one who takes over. But this really comes down to what Trump thinks.
Yeah, it comes down to what Trump thinks it. But, you know, OK, I'm going to give John Corn some credit here. Like he's more shrewd and better at negotiating in the Senate than people probably understand. It's like you don't get into these positions. You know, he was the whip under Mitch McConnell for a while, which basically is second in command.
It's like you don't get into these types of positions unless you kind of know how to maneuver within the chamber really well because there's a hundred members in there. And 99 and other people can be mad at you really quick. Ask Ted Cruz about how that goes, right? You know, but, you know, it was one thing when John Corn was running for Republican leader, right?
You know, but it's a different thing when he's potentially going to be the majority leader, that means something entirely the majority leader runs the entire United States Senate. Just to put that in perspective, we haven't had somebody do that, you know, in 60 years when L.B.J. did. All LBJ did with that role was make Houston mission control for the space program for eternity. Right?
As you can see from the power of that C, one of the interest in punishment at LBJ when he was Senate Majority Leader, he created the Space Committee and then made himself the chairman even though he was a majority leader. That is a rare thing that does everything often. When you have that kind of power, check out my story online about this because I ended up talking to people who work with Harry Reid, track some of the Nevada Senator who is majority leader.
I looked at some of the stuff that Mitch McConnell has been able to do as majority leader. Think about like, look, there's a public policy impact that you can have. What Harry Reid was able to do, protect the gaming industry and the hospitality industry and Nevada, it would take volumes to write about. By being in that spot, he kind of protected that gaming industry really well and really did a lot for that state.
And Mitch McConnell's case, it's like he openly bragged about what that leadership spot was able to do. He can just find $400 million for a VA center at any given moment. And so you think about the possibility if Cornyn has this lever. He would have to have public policy roles obviously to deal with. But look at it from oil and gas, space, NASA, those types of programs, think about our agriculture industry. He would have influence on a level that we just haven't seen in a long time in Texas.
Outside of having the presidency, obviously with Bush. But then you have that ability to just squirrel away things that we need. Think Ike Dyke. Could he do stuff on the Ike Dyke? Could our VA hospitals get major overhaul money to really make them work better for a state that has as many veterans? We have so many veterans in the state and we're not treated that way. There are so many things that you could do from that position. But the key to all this is to listen to Wednesday.
On Wednesday morning, Senate Republicans are going to make the decision. This isn't going to be drawn out. This is going to be Wednesday morning. We're going to know if John Cornin is going to be the Senate majority leader or not. Yeah, that's the plan. And he's a majority leader. Man, all bets are off. And what happens over these next couple of years is going to be really super important for Texas. By the way, I would just say that there have been times when those meetings have been postponed.
But we expect it on Wednesday. And the Ike Dyke for listeners outside of Houston, that's a coastal barrier. Hurricanes are kind of a thing. Hurricanes, I'm just letting people know. Hurricanes are kind of a thing in Texas. So to be able to protect against them is something that would be significant. This is the take away from the election that did make me laugh. But it is, it makes me laugh. But it's also a serious thing. Greg Abbott says that the election was about what, Jeremy?
Do you want to guess what he said that it was about? Oh, school choice, of course. I made the point yesterday on social media that no one would say that unless someone had given them $10 million to say it, because if you went and asked, well, ask any of our listeners who pay attention to all of this, ask any three voters what they were voting about. None of them would say that, right? It would be, it would be the things we've been talking about, abortion, immigration, the economy, et cetera.
But of course, Greg Abbott was immediately tweeting it out that we're going to have school choice now. He went to a school in Tyler, a private school in Tyler. I should point that out, a private school in Tyler to say that, you know what, Texans want school vouchers in his estimation. This is simple. It should have happened already. School choice is wanted by all demographic groups in the state of Texas. Yes, all different political parties, Democrat and Republican, as well as independence.
They support school choice. But if you look down to the racial demographics, Hispanics and African Americans in the state of Texas, they strongly support school choice. Those parents want an option. They know their child better than any government employee does, and they want to put their child on a pathway toward success. Now, the governor is going to push this during the legislative session. We know that. It is a question that I'm already being asked about this election result.
Will it be the thing? Will Tuesday be the turning point for this? And is it finally going to happen at the Texas Capitol? In fact, my good friend, conservative radio talk show host Chad Hastie on his show in West Texas wanted to know if I thought that this is it, and the whole deal is basically done. You know, 87, what is it? 87 out of 150 seats in the house will be controlled by the Republicans. Where do you think this puts? And this one, everyone's going to be asking, right?
Where does this put the issue of school choice? I don't think that it moves the needle that much. The real needle moving happened during the primary. I think we probably agreed about that. The governor was pretty successful in taking out some of those Republicans who had voted against his pet project of school vouchers at the behest of his $10 million dollar man.
Jeff Beas, the guy from Pennsylvania, the TikTok investor who's given have it $10 million so far this year and support school vouchers.
I was thinking, if Harris, if her campaign had been real, if they had really been competitive at the national level and in Texas, that there was a potential that Democrats might have picked up to and I'm just making two seats in the Texas House and I'm just making that point to say this, even if Democrats had picked up two seats in the house, I don't think that would have changed the math much either on vouchers and I don't think this changes that much either.
You saw Governor Abbott last night and probably part of why you're asking is you saw Governor Abbott saying that all of the Republicans that I supported in the general election won their races and he was saying that that means that they can move forward with school vouchers now. But even that isn't true. He supported a Republican candidate against the Democrat and Colin County, the Republican lost. It was closer but the Republican lost.
There was another Republican in Dallas County that Abbott supported over a Democrat in an open seat and that Democrat stomped that Republican there.
So I guess it's fair to say that Governor Abbott will say anything about this so to just give some objective analysis, I still think that the way this has all been talked about and you're right to ask the question because this is the way the Governor frames it up and in a lot of ways he leads the discussion on these things by saying, you know, we just need more Republicans in the house and that means we'll get school vouchers.
But you and I both know Chad that it's always been about the details of the bill and that the devil lives in the details. And we don't know what the proposal is going to look like in the Texas House.
We don't know exactly what the proposal will look like in the Texas Senate and we still don't know whether the House and Senate will be able to both agree to some kind of a proposal that then the Governor could sign as former Speaker Joe Strauss you still always say, if the House and Senate don't do a thing legislatively then that thing doesn't happen.
And I do think one of the mistakes that's being made right now and I heard your interview with Chairman Dustin Burrows whenever that was a week ago, two weeks ago. I thought it was interesting, but I would say to him and I would also say to the independent school district around the states and I'm not talking out of school because I speak to these folks all the time, I would say everybody really ought to stop arguing about that bill that wasn't going to pass anyway.
You know, we're all talking with, you know, everyone talks about House Bill 1, which was in the House at the end of the last legislative session of the last, special session last year. That's the one that Burrows and you talked about where $6 billion extra dollars for public education was in there and a school voucher program was in there. And of course Burrows said that it was the education lobby that, you know, killed the bill and ended up killing all that extra money for schools.
But as Republicans have said to me that bill was a farce. It was never going to be the law. It was never going to pass the Senate. That was not Dan Patrick's proposal. Remember, at that time Dan Patrick, as the leader of the Senate, had presided over the passage of two bills that separated the issues, right? The Senate had passed a bill that was about school finance and teacher pay raises and stuff like that. And then also passed a bill that was a school voucher bill.
And when Dan Patrick was asked if he would have been cool with it if the House would have just passed the bill that raised teacher pay and also, you know, put more money in schools without vouchers, Patrick said that would have been fine. And so I think there's a long way to go on this. As you know, very often during a legislative session, it's not necessarily Republicans versus Democrats, not necessarily conservatives versus liberals when it comes to some of these issues.
Very often the real battle is the House versus the Senate. And in this case, Governor Abbott, of course, is going to be egging them on. But what that legislation actually looks like is going to be key in all this. And I do think that there's a broader discussion being had right now among those who support public education and want to see more money for it.
I think there are already starting to think, Chad, in terms like this, maybe thinking that if they'd feel in this probably the next question, if they'd feel in it's still the speaker, he may be looking to try to cut some kind of a deal with the governor to just get this behind the Republican Party. So we don't have to have another primary like we just had this last year. But the school district should be thinking about the fact that they still have a lot of political leverage.
And if there's going to maybe be a smaller school voucher program that's passed, they ought to be thinking about how much more money they can extract from the state for public education, maybe not $6 billion, maybe $10 billion. We'll have to watch all those details. All right. So we'll put a pin in that for now. And we'll keep a close eye on it, Jeremy. As you heard there, I'm a little skeptical.
I think it really matters more what the legislation actually looks like and there'll be a negotiation. And all of that, shout out again to the Greater Houston Partnership for having Jeremy at their event this past week. We appreciate that. I've got some appearances coming up in Dallas for it worth in Galveston soon. Watch my social media and quorumreport.com for that.
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