Matthew McConaughey

Tetragrammaton When I first started I had the instincts for it but I didn't really know what I was doing. I didn't know what I was doing but I couldn't explain it. I didn't know what my rights were. I didn't know what to stand up for. My man, as I called it, I do now. I never went to acting school and I never had anyone sort of teach or coach me until about 1998 which was about six years after I had started. This woman who's been one of my

great mentors in my life, Penny Allen, she's the late Penny on, she's moved on now. She taught to teach me my rights. She taught me how to break down a script. Where's the character coming from in the scene? Where's the character going? What's the need? What's the obstacle? What's the event? All those things that are classic acting questions out of the act and I had about two years of a very clumsy time in acting because you know when you just have the instincts or something

then all of a sudden you go get you're going to go learn the knowledge. You get conscious. You get confused. I was conscious and it was sublimating for my instincts but I stuck with it and after about two years you learn something I got across that bridge where okay now what I know is in tune with what I understand and what I always understood and then when I combine it to that's when I can get really fun. That's when I start to love it because I learned ways

to love it. I loved I could have a plan in preparation and take that plan to the to the set between action and cut and know have a good enough plan prepared enough that I could call audibles or react to whatever's going on and that doing that and then knowing who I know I used to not know meaning if I go into a scene with intention there's what I want to do there's what I'm actually doing

there's what's actually getting recorded and then there's what's getting edited. Well I would sit there and go oh that was it and then director will come have a look and I'd look at and go oh no that isn't what I thought I was doing. Now I've closed those gaps and that came from learning the knowledge of study and acting. I've closed those gaps when I want to do something it's pretty dog on close to what I'm actually doing which is pretty dog on close to what's actually getting recorded.

So I've closed again. And would you say that a big part of that was being able to look at it see what you did and then based on that information try it again. I mean look the objective side of early on I was too I was too afraid to go look at a monitor.

Yeah. Or early on I didn't even I still not as much anymore but early on I would go see a film that I was in and have to go go to the park a lot and then throw up just because it was you know you see one scene in a whole week's work or it would come brushing into 60 seconds on a film and it was it was it was too much and I didn't like seeing myself I didn't like hearing myself. Again got over that a little bit and could interesting to hear though because I wouldn't

knowing what little I know about your personality. I would think you'd be comfortable seeing yourself on the screen. So the fact that it took time that's an interesting thing. It took a lot of time. I'm still the better the performance the easier it is for me to watch. Yeah. If I catch myself yeah bullshit. Can you ever see a movie with you in it and not know what's you. Can you fall into

the character. Yes. The quicker I can watch a performance say in this in this instance one of my own and say the character's name is Ron Wooder for whatever and go how quick I go oh who's this guy Ron instead of who's this guy McConaughey playing this guy Ron which sometimes that happens. And I'm like I'm not getting past seeing myself and the quicker I can get in go oh I'm seeing

this character and yeah I know it's me but I'm following this man. Yeah. And then I end up afterwards going oh here's what hairs have felt about that then I can kind of look at the man go well you did that but it's it comes after. You've been in so many movies and your face is so familiar for the audience to go past it being you and become the character does that get more difficult as you do more and more films. It became that way when I had a real really successful romantic comedy

run where I was the go to romcom guy and I was those movies were succeeding. They were doing one of the box office and I was and I had done like four or five in a row. Now that did box me because no one any people just saw you as that and the life I was living I was at your Malibu just learned to surf on the beach without a shirt on it all kind of fit like oh this is office playing himself. So what that did was with I did go and I snuck in a few independent

dramas in there that were not romantic comedies. The audience didn't react to them they're like no no no no no no I want to see you over here. Now I then took off. That's when we moved back to Texas Camilla night she was pregnant with our first son who's now named Levi and I took a sabbatical from Hollywood move back there and I said how long was sabbatical did you take? Well it didn't that be in 22 months I didn't know how long it was going it was a one-way ticket into

tell me what you were thinking what was the mindset. It was a conscious decision because I couldn't do what I wanted to do and I was wanting to do some dramas wanting to do some I said okay I'm gonna if I can't do what I'm there I'm not being offered what I want to do I'm gonna stop doing

what I'm doing so I rebranded I pressed stop on what I knew went away didn't know how long I was going to take the conscious decision was look my life at that time was so vital fall in love with Camilla she's pregnant with our first child my life was alive man I was mad sad I felt

anything the ceilings were high and the basements were low and the bandwidth was wide yeah the work I was doing at that time those were all men it comes we're like a was a minimized day to nosh don't don't don't don't feel that much don't be that happy don't be that mad don't be that sets I was feeling governed by the work and I was like man I'm happy to say that my life feels more vital than my work yeah if it's gonna be one way or the other I'm glad it's

that way I know but I'd like to find some work that challenges the vitality of what I'm feeling in my life and that was going to be in dramas which are what dramas allow for and so we had it off Texas it called the agents that said no more romcoms no more action comedies and it went dead silent for a and I got a little I had I was never gonna come back on my choice but it did get a little wobbly as I like to say that that bottle on the shelf started to look a little better earlier in the day

yeah I didn't have purpose yeah I was looking I didn't have what were your days like tell me about those 22 months um not a gardening yard work riding you always right I've always written might have been in kind of a note taker diary journal diary notes on that when did you start

yeah that's about 12 and consistent yeah do you keep them kept them all great have a treasure chest ball beautiful yeah beautiful do you ever look back well I did when I went wrote word of book green lights that's exactly what that was about which was a scary prospect for me um

because I don't really like I'm not comfortable looking back um but that that two and a half three year process right now was all about going back I took all the diaries away went out to marfa texas and that's what I knew I needed that first 17 days when I went away with nothing but my diaries

in me and no cell service no nothing the first 10 days were were hell yeah I did not like the company and as I was looking back at myself I was embarrassed and it's ashamed it's things and I'm just and the monkeys were on my back and the demons were coming out and I was not I was I was drawing

blood with myself we were wrestling it out um but I stuck with it and after about 10 12 days which usually is what happens when I go on these one person walkabouts I hit the spot where I was like oh that stuff you were so embarrassed about where you were so arrogant or whatever you cocky little

shit you were well look buddy if you wouldn't have been that cocky you wouldn't have put yourself in a position to get humbled to where you figured out what you figured out so let's applaud that cocky little sum of it you were and let's not be embarrassed let's laugh at it things that I was

ashamed for like that I was having trouble forgiving myself for I started to go I didn't anything to do about it and then that lesson that seems to happen I think with all of us at some time you start to shake hands with yourself and you go well okay where are what stuff are we

saying the buck stops here tired of that shit no more and what stuff we saying I forgive you but because you know you realize it's one dude yeah finishes were it's time we're good I was not I knew I wasn't evil I knew I wasn't a tyrant I didn't have skeletons in my closet or I was like oh I'm

a bad guy but I had wrestles I was wrestling with demons and wrestling with my relationship with God myself you know but I get to that got to that point where I was like all right you know remember my kind there's only one person that you do not have a choice to sleep in bed with every night

how long was that whole process 17 days so that next five days then I started to fly okay then I was like oh I see you're essentially the same guy you were when you were 12 I see you still got a lot of the same questions I see you got some more answers some of those questions but we're

still thinking you're still essentially the same young man you were 12 still thinking the same way I ask and the same question to interested the same thing so the next five days I started to find the themes started to appear and there were like 8 9 10 essential themes I was like oh this is

everything you've got balls into one of these buckets and I've not done this you would have never known those themes only by looking back only by looking back did I see that there in even today four years later got a whole new bucket of stuff of four years not 50 years were at the four

years worth and those the buckets are similar they're kind of different titles and evolutions but their evolutions on the same same way I was thinking when I was 12 and I wouldn't have found it without looking back I know I think I mean I needed a need or wanted I'm glad I went and found

the connection with my past obviously better you better I better understand where I am and what's what's up ahead because I feel the thread I my thread to my past was consciously pretty short before that and that helped that thread get wider thicker and longer tell me more about

from those first 17 days to getting a finished book yeah so I go away I come back I was on fire that first time I came back I felt like I'd the lightning bolt struck and I was like oh we got something it's it's emerging it's I can't help it it's happening so I come back and Camilla was

over across the art and I remember I just bam saw her hugged her dropped my knees and just tears of joy for falling toward just a came just came out of me from that experience where I'd just been right so I stayed home would you say we were more in touch with yourself describe what was

going on internally when you came back truth was wide open I just I felt more whole felt my probably I was the same I tracked myself back to when I was 12 and writing but all the way back when I was eight and five and I was like yeah in here in here I am all of this and I hadn't I hadn't

I that's been that been over there but in the closet behind the door and now hey here here I there was a like all attitude was gone attitude was gone so if you use a word you people like to use the word vulnerable I was just just open and and just wrong and clear the mind the heart the

lines were in sync and just yeah so it was a therapeutic process yeah 100% you came together yeah beautiful yeah beautiful yeah try did that 17 days I come back for a few weeks panel around get back catch up today get back in the credit section with family and working

a few things and I head back out the next time where I go the next time I think I went to Longview Texas which is where I was raised and I went out a little camp out by by a lake and I did a 12 days told this 12 day run there I came back after that I felt that all see more

can you do these totally by yourself by yourself how you make it a point not to see anyone else during that time if you can yes I pack up a bunch of rib eyes a bunch of water tequila and go and I came back from that that was a good trip and then I went to a buddy my Bartonax place on

the Lano River where I learned to swim and had a great run there for that was an anarchic time now now the story was getting wild I found the stories here they were here's the themes now they were getting wild and I had the confidence to go low lead the fangs on the stories we're not going to

defang we're not we're not cutting the balls off the story we're going to leave the fangs on them and that was a really wild the third session was a wild running that was about 14 days the next one was when I took buddy Richard Linklater's place director he's got it stayed now

in a in a tree house of his and every day would come to his library and so I was emerging coming out of my own hole into sort of more the library is more like I was inspired by all the books and writers and he'd pop by every few hours and we'd have a little conversation for

ten minutes and he'd pop out so I was starting to have it becoming the monologue was now becoming a dialogue that was a really good order run and I had it all tightened up I really felt like I had something in between I'd sense up to my editors and they would they would help and by this time

they're finishing my sentences and I'm finishing theirs and by this time you know we're early on when I sent them something they go we don't think this we don't get this story and I was like how can you not get that story well 95% of the time they were right they didn't get it because I

hadn't written it well enough yeah yeah yeah which then when I would write it better and show them they go oh I get it now I was like ah that's what you mean when you say this doesn't go well I need to write it better yeah then the fifth time I went for what I was always sort of the fantasy

dream of my New York has always been a I don't know I'm kissing my back of my mind are brighter in New York have you ever lived in New York no but I but I love New York and so I then went let myself go to the Greenwich and got a will out I've got a single room and stayed there for 14 days

all my own but let myself have room service let myself go money and I have football yeah watch money enough look as I was I was waxing the car now I was really down to the final final edit also different energy in New York just even if you don't talk to anyone you feel the people

I think I knew York man my metabolism speeds up there I need less sleep but I was more and more energy I that I love New York and so to go there as a writer kind of I don't know in a romantic way maybe like I've a writer in New York man this is cool um and then something that I went out and

I don't want to bring this up because I want to see what you think of this so I went out for recently back to Martha with what I've written in the last four years let's see what you got I don't know there's many stories first stories of 50 years of my life now I got four but

that's some some stuff I think true and original and possibly worth sharing but it hit me about why am I so fired up tuned in again the mother feeling as primal as I can ever feel when I'm out there in Martha it's so low density there's so few people it's so quiet

the sky is so big there's so few distractions and the nature is big but it's not overwhelming it's not like the jungle it's not the desert manicures itself yeah it's pretty minimal very minimal and I think it leaves a lot of space for the mind to do its thing I think that's why

Donald Judd moved there in 70s well this is part of what this there's a theory I'm working on now I'm asking people about it I was conceived four miles from where I was writing Martha Fort Davis Fort Davis Mountain wow Vought 63 mom and dad wow

conception coming back to conception I think that that location like people always go where you from yeah where you raised I'm interested in an experiment of taking people back to where they are conceived whether they know it or not and see what happens over there over three months or six

months of their life yeah I think there's the big the alpha oh make I think there's a beginning in an end if we go back to conception yeah there's so much we don't know yeah you know yeah and I love to know and also try to remind myself great also know what you don't know yeah would you say you live

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yeah and you like it what is happening in you that tells you you like it okay so when I start off it is it's logic I want to I call it conservative very liberal late liberal's the fun part when the body stick there right the first part I want to measure is this thing written well is destruction good is the story good is the character good in this story is it logically put together did the writer get lazy and the end of act two to go to act three and conveniently write

something this my character would never do just so they could land the plan. Do you read it as a story or do you read it as a vehicle for the character but both and it takes few reads but the first off is story then I'm looking at who's you know my man going through it I try try to again I'm

die I'm dissecting early and sometimes I'll I matter when I read like I'm not sure how I'm a slow reader number one and I have to pick my spot meaning I don't like hey you got an hour between two and three and then you're off from seven and I okay I'll read 60 pages and then I'll

read no I need to I want to go especially I want nothing on the back end yeah because if I get into it I want to wander with it or if I read really slow if I want to keep reading read it again in through the night I don't want to I don't want to schedule or appointment or an end point so if

that can free me up to really give the thing justice it deserves and there are many there's movies I've done where I was like now that things trashed I've had people come to me my team going to you got to read this again you're not seeing I'm like what and then I read and get glued in

killer Joe you five seven one the ones that people close to me was like you gotta read this again and I went back in the right space and saw the truth in it for me and why it was a good idea for me that I did not see before so did I get going on character and that's what my preparation after

I'm like okay I'm interested here I've talked with who's the rest of the team who's the director there movie that's who I really want to get I really want to have it hopefully a strong relationship or trust in that director because it's there it's there movie are do we have the

similar sense of humor do we have a similar sense of what we deem excellent true untrue sensibility because if we don't we're gonna be I'm gonna be doing what I think is true when I love and I go that's it and they're gonna be going no I like this one I'm gonna go no why are

you like that take I was bullshit look at me I was acting you caught me acting right there don't so then we're gonna have a long shoot because we're gonna so we you know kind of movies do you like what are you down kind of music you like but kind of sense of humor you got then you kind of okay

we're gonna communicate well we have a similar sense of truth through excellence um and then I'm then I'm just breaking down character and I get it and try to get every character in one long musical note that thread again each scene each you know each part of the scene has notes

just like music right and notes in order can make a song and so how do you I go from being very didactic like I said conservative early in the moment what's the truth in this moment there's that note in this one there's that note in this one there's that note then back away and now it

gets fun now I'm going okay let's breeze to the script and I'll laminate pages read them in the shower I'll I'll I like to read it you know Saturday night with a buzz at 2 a.m. I like to read it 2 p.m. after church on Sunday I like to read it Tuesday afternoon after five mile run read it

when I'm excited when I'm sad when I'm tired and you get new insights depending on your status bingo that's when I'm starting to see the character from different angles yeah so this is now arming me so I can go to the scene with I mean I got four versions of the truth yeah so whatever

you thought me it's gonna probably most likely fit in one of those and I'm whoop but I want it out there and you're gone that's what I was talking about man ready on the set if there's gonna be another take how often would it be the director saying let's do another take versus you saying let me try

again I'll shoot all night because I'll just I loved I love let's do try yeah let's try to get iterations I might just come up with something something that's a magic might happen that we didn't know about yeah

so usually the director saying we got it good and I okay what's your state of mind on the first day of a new project I'm nervous yeah I'm I've learned to be happy about being nervous yeah gotta gotta get the edge you're nervous because you care yeah that's good to care yes amen yeah so I I'm

remind after my I've learned to remind myself hey is everybody's first day bro 200 people here everyone's trying to find the way things are gonna move slower than you think because I used to wake up in the morning five a.m. ready to go and then by launch I'm like I need it I'm wasted I need

it now I've learned to pace because too much energy too early just takes the unnecessary endurance to to have the right kind of focus at the time in between action and cut which is basically only time really needed so I'd remind myself that everything's moving so everyone's gonna find

in their find in their way so sit back and let's find a way in it listen step the tone usually if I'm the if I'm gonna be say the lead I know that when I show up to work how prepared I am everyone else is watching that oh what kind of he's on time kind of he knows it's shit

let's go oh this is how this is gonna be yeah okay instead of showing up late and going what are we doing today oh it's good that people you can do that too yeah yeah so we'll work that way and and and but I I know that's gonna be the the pace and then everyone else sees it that's gonna be

and I like to kind of work at that pace because I want to have as much time to play with the magic in between well let's try it this way let's try it this way and if I'm from there on time prayer we can try it more ways and get more out of the day and dance more um I'll go for I try

to pop the top in the first day meaning because I'm nervous I try to go out of my comfort zone and maybe do a take or two that uh bad going too far go go go go too far I see and and because I find it much easier to come back yeah rather than going did I ever get there yeah

I'm right I'm gonna go too big yeah go over it go way back and that's that what was that great well now we yeah now it's now it's now we we did the animated version now let's do the real life I find it much easier to come back there and so I try to do that that's a that's a decompressor

for me and then I start to settle in band there it is the simple one after you you go too big is one thing go there it was yeah that was truth there you go we're good yeah and for you it's still new because the big one is one thing and then when you come down from it it's a new thing you're doing

again yeah and I know I've done this long enough now when I do it well I tell the truth I can feel it and after it's look at you and go and you're like yeah that was it I don't even need to go look at the monitor we're like that was it yeah at the same time we're gonna do another take I've learned to try to you sometimes as performers we go well let me do it I did there again yeah those were like no no I will remember in my head there's three spots I want to get to in this scene to get you from

this from here to there to there but I don't want to know how I'm gonna get there so let's a one thing I always would have it have a habit of doing is coming in very with my preparation coming in very balanced yeah like solid I'm balanced and one thing that Penny Allen taught me

you get that prepared now come in on one leg because what we want to see in life is someone find their balance in a scene not come in on balance but the finding of the balance in the scene the getting past the obstacle to get what you need to come out the other side that's really

where you see real life coming out so I've I get massively prepared then I come in and try and I love it when I direct a throw something at me it tells them that I don't know I'm like don't tell me you're gonna do that thing let me get surprised let me react because that'll be the good stuff

you know when I don't know it's come it's real yeah over the course of a movie do you get new insights into the character yes yeah let me get examples so I've always I've always done films which is typically 120 pages right so you break that down what do you got 40 page first act 40 page second

act 40 page there well every actor's favorite act is act one because that's where we're introducing you to us even if you know what this story is and how it's gonna end you had never done it with me you know what I mean so let me give you 40 pages of a original character you're gonna go through

the story with did I go to a series called True Detective I don't know 450 pages 10 how many every many episodes it was I got 150 page act one that's like three episodes whoa well after I got I was about a hundred pages in that one and I started to get nervous like this is gonna be

boring I got I got I got a release here no just trust that if you hold that line yeah like music right if you hold that yeah that for you're pulling the bow back and then it 150 when it happens it's the dynamic you're gonna go whoa yeah and I think while I did but I got I got nervous I

was going man I just boring though cuz just a different rhythm than you're used to yeah but I had a longer act one to just indulge myself in is that the only time you've done TV yeah I've done some different episodes right showed up and cameos and stuff but that's the only consistent character

I think it was a good experience what loved it loved it and the writing in the K-Foot Gnogga director and the writing was such hot shit it was like every day it was like I can't wait to say these words you have to believe the character you're playing you have to believe you don't

agree with them okay meaning they could have a different point of view than you do but you can still play that character can you play any character or no yeah I think so I mean we all got everybody in us yeah you know for instance though time to kill I played defense attorney who's

arguing retribution for the that the the many raped this man's daughter there's a time to kill but I didn't agree with that yeah I mean I don't personally agree with that eye for an eye in that yeah but understanding the prosecute you know in the story that's who that is yeah and that's

a real perspective but I also think understanding the prosecution or even agreeing with it absolutely helped me be a better defense attorney yeah even agreeing with that yeah in a way help um uh she look the rusting coal and true detective guys agnostic at least and goes into some

philosophies and theories that go whoa don't want to be I'd never my faith had never been so strong on my personal life it's been and I know that my the this is how solid I felt my own life my own faith gave me help me have the courage to go oh I want to go way away I don't have to look

over my shoulder see if my buddy God's still there now I can go way into the dark it'll give me the so I don't think I would have had the courage to because I was going to places in there in flask where I was absolutely uh not believing but I tried to trust because my I had to have

I was just strong my faith was strong in my real life is it ever been at that time and you're telling a story yeah and in stories you don't agree with all aspects of the story it's what makes the story work well the the protagonist is only as good as the antagonist that's it the the the

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and went and made that headline happen I've set many goals and made that happen now at the same time spiritually I have an engineered finding find in my wife connections in life that were just divine I didn't engineer those

I did engineer putting myself in a position to receive them you know I got conscious of that yeah like dude you can't you gotta take a road trip or you gotta take a walk about you need to go away solo I'm lost I'm I'm going I'm going mad you know enough to know that you're lost

you need to take action yeah so take action and go put yourself in place for your stuck with you yeah and and wrestle through it draw blood and let's until that until the divinity comes and the truth lands on you that little butterfly lightning bolt that you go that's true for now and all time

and so I mean cops up to you know no one I need to go put myself in that place or even take a road trip you know I'm ahead of time time is it is it two o'clock getting like not dude just noon oh gotta slow your roll boy you're two hours ahead of time and you've only been up for five

hours you know you need to get on time um so I but I think I think I move like I believe it's to go to talk about like uh uh divinity or or or or or relationships spiritually the times I've been heavily like I believe at times I've been heavily agnostic there's no God

boy spent like God was going there you go boy to put your hands on the wheel too many of us just lay back and go in shallah if God's willing hey it's about faith if it happens that I don't my hunch is that that's not that that if there is a guy he's going well yeah but put take

responsibility for you can make choices that will have consequences and put your hands on the wheel and so in that way I think I'm moving but I mean the big stuff that's happened to me it's it's it's moved me if I go back and look at uh like that 50 years of writing green lights those

stories I thought 90% of my success is like we're going to be the stuff I engineered I moved it yeah the majority of the big spiritual things happened I didn't I didn't do it it happened did I go I did I get myself out the door did I put on my

permeability you do you did your part but it happened yeah yeah to me yeah I wasn't making the math I wasn't making the poetry tell me about your spiritual life hmm I'm happiest and most connected spiritually when all day when I'm praying with my eyes open when this is a prayer

yeah whenever exchange is a prayer but but but but truthfully what do I also need yeah come Friday I kind of need Sunday morning I need that church I need to go to that place to do inventory on the loved ones in my life to do inventory on my

week to roll through my mental rolodex and see the people I love and their truest form and just be like I wish that for them and then end on me end on an image of myself not Instagram happy not it just where I am and if I can grasp that image that's my final so let's take that to the week

but I need that Sunday I need that ritual where I'm forced into going at the most I'm number two you know I mean I need that humility and I I didn't humility was a a word that I struggled with for decades because I would always lose confidence and I'd be passive explain that

humble you get it and I and I would recede and then I heard a definition that humility was just a just a meeting got more learned and all of a sudden that one go my shoulders went back mark got high I was like oh I'm in yeah yeah but now I'm engaged now I can be involved now I

can be confident now I can be like again I know what I don't know oh there's a bunch of stuff I don't know that's that's humble but that's face it you're not bound your head to that you're going yeah I think 100% yeah I don't know that I don't know I'm still searching well cool instead of I don't

know yeah and and I've gotten a better relationship with with with that and through my spiritual life and it's in the last probably 10 years but I do still need it's Sunday I you know we're bit I was raised on methods and Methodist in a stereotypical way we were raised it's a lot of

bad gratitude to be thankful for what you do have that's still a big basis of my sort of daily spiritual and I got that from a family and try to carry it on with my family and I think it's really important I think it's really strong strong easy foundation tell me about your prayer life

yeah um we have I mean there's the nightly ritual around the table um before dinner yeah hmm which everyone goes around that's something give us come one thing you're great for hmm there's my wife loves to do with all the kids for they got a bed 10 give me a rose give me a thorn give me both from the day um I don't have any sort of meditation rituals or times in the day that I go oh I'm going to go before I walk about or meditate or sit still again if when I'm when I hear when I feel the most

spiritual when I'm looking at men like brothers and women like sisters and that's not a lot of time I can start to objectify people and not look at and I have to cast myself whoa your eyes getting low kind of raise your eye you when I'm seeing men like brothers and women like sisters

and be the big brother seeing you think oh be a big brother to them I that's that's when I'm that's when I'm moving everything that's not just me moving ahead everything's connected for me and I'm the most spiritually strong um when I feel like oh yes it is about self-reliance absolutely

and have your hands on a little but you're not in control yeah but drive but do you know what steer the best you can yeah steer the best you can and be open to be open to to magic that happens and trust it like I say my least favorite words unbelievable that everything happens out well yeah

of course when I'm most spiritually strong I've got the best sense humor my humor's hi so things that we used to would when I'm not as spiritually strong would hurt me you're I'm oh you kidding me how's the better no I'm not there I'm I'm much more quickly going how ridiculous of course

yep there we go again to Shay got me yeah Shay mom made me think and I had it all have like you know I mean dummy here we go you know so those are the things that I know with that how I feel when I'm most spiritually strong did you have a different path imagined for your life had you

not going into acting oh yeah what we can do I was going to go be a defense attorney and uh for real yeah defend the family business yeah your father was defense attorney no he was a pipe salesman but he he he got into enough stuff where he was like oh you want it might need you

protect other family I understand you want to protect families protect our family oh you are family yeah I protect the mcconnaught hey my dad was like hey you're pretty good aren't you you're good don't go go be a lawyer come back to bend the comfort bend we got a few deals going on

I might need to defend how different is your performance depending on the actor you're playing against that's a good question so no matter who I'm playing with or who's on the other side of me I'm gonna have my monologue before we're gonna have a dialogue so I'm gonna know when I say my man

I'm gonna have my identity yes and when I got that then it's gonna be fresh every time to whatever happens but you're gonna see essentially the same same character for me may say things the person decides to play the part opposite you whispers they like do you respond in some way or if they yell at you do you respond in a different way like yeah how much does it change so look I've worked with many actors I've been that actually that comes and just goes way off script does something

wild so you and it can be it can be like whoa I had that was far far far from what I've expected but hey what wasn't my place to even expect so let's let's go with this um there's times where if someone's going really big I just counter and become much more still and much more simple

times where someone's whispering and and uh I'll be to give dynamic let's give a little let's accordion this thing a little bit um and it's also so I'm having trouble hearing you yeah go you can do that you're wondering why they're whispering

ask them why they're whispering yeah you're wondering why they yell and go hey man I can hear you yeah yeah I mean just what so whatever that comes into mind you don't have to break that wall and get objective just do it just ask the question wow yeah you had your coffee this morning didn't

you all right here we go yeah I'll just break sweat let me just work and do it do it in the same don't ask permission just and just just do it and let it play out so just play against it or if you what the hell are you doing ask them what the hell they're doing yeah literally ask them

yeah what the hell are you doing do you ever change lines yes and adlib ad lines yes I think I'm pretty good at that and there's a difference though the definition of improv is not coming and makes them shit up it has to come from the original text that that writer wrote that

asked it it has to come in from I can rip what's the relationship of this me and you Rick sitting here if I pop off into a skit of a joke that everyone goes that's so funny but you're like what did I have to do with the scene what does it have to do with the scene yeah and you'll see like

comedians will do that in movies you'll be like that was a great skit but that's on Saturday night live that's not in this movie that's not where your characters from that's not who you are yeah that's not I don't think in my opinion great riffing or improvisation improvisation comes from knowing

the text the the in a meaning of the text and then in what's the context of the relationship you're in in the scene with and then you can riff on that there's many ways to to say and do that I mean I get sometimes I get what I call launch pad line they're confused

Wooderson character he had one line there was three lines in that recently written for me and one of the lines was Wooderson hanging outside of a pool hall checks out a high school girl walked by as buddy hits him says Wooderson you gotta cut that out there you're gonna go to jail and Wooderson

says no man that's what I love about those high school girls man I get older but they stay the same age I'm like who is that dude now that's a launch pad line meaning if that guy says that and means that it's not an attitude he means it there's an inside competing on that guy you know with that

guy's eating yeah you know where you got you know so much right wolf or Wall Street there was one line in there where Leonardo capital's character asked my character so what's the secret of this business he goes cocaine and hookers I'm like that's a launch pad man like if this guy means that

and he's not saying it to be cute he's like no this is the deal yeah I can you can write a book on that guy yeah so that's where it comes from and then I'll try and have extra I always want to be like what if what's the director never else cut what would you go what would you say what'd you

do well I want to be able to give you another hour yeah if I can so you could stay in character and continue the story even if it's not in the script that's the goal yeah that's the goal I can't always go to you know there's sometimes you get dry and obviously you're gonna have to like

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for our world learn more at vivo barefoot.com slash tetra and embrace your human nature how much of a performance is the words you're saying and how much is something else it's something else I'm a words I love words but the words are literature we when I do my job when a performer

does their job now it's the bloodline you want to see life like what I say but hey it's written well and say that what's the meaning what's the content meaning of what you might be able to look at someone and the line is said without saying that's the gut that ideally in moving pictures

you get you get a Nike swoosh you get a rolling stone tongue you don't have to say anything you know what it is just a look says it all we don't need that paragraph because you got it with the look you don't need that paragraph because you went and the way you said the way you gave an

affring that said it do it they'll send other words how about body language important spot knowledge 100% I mean look the one of the things I remember having an instinct for early on was I remember writing this in 1992 on days confused I was like as he moved his head his heart or his

God at the time I remember right when he was the head his heart's God and I was like oh what is it he's moving he wouldn't got forward it changed the whole walk yeah how person enters have to lay to other ones chest oh they're heart first oh maybe they're proud how other ones

that now they're they're inquisitive they want to know I want to know this talking to you yeah it's different than this it's different than this very different and I just went head heart loin yeah and they're all different characters right and kick back and the tonsils now or

late it's so it's informing all but my neck got loose lazy fingers but I want to come up here and we'll talk and we're it's a different just kind of moved up and would you decide that before a scene of like how you're going to move where you're going to go in the scene no that's something

that's something that early on I just those two because sometimes a combination of those three I will again decide where am I coming from where am I going to because what I want to do is get caught behaving you see scenes and movies you're like you can tell it's like right when the scene

starts I think they went and action yeah and go yeah like no you want to you want to we want to be going and when let him say action you and I are ready and shit and we just talk about that and know what was that thing and now we start to see yeah get caught yeah coming into a scene and get caught

flying out of a scene or rolling out of a scene that's what that's my favorite acting to see and that's what I'm favorite acting to do when I can when I can do that's what I try and do so I don't make a choice those choices already hopefully those are out of my head now those are

meaning I'll have hundreds of pages of notes for a character going in by the time it's time to shoot time prepared you don't refer back or I look at him and when I wrote him down I was like oh this is jeans don't forget this this is so good extra star highlight there yeah by the time I look at

it on the day I'm like well duh you know that's the that's the place I'd like to get to how has being a father changed your life it's the only thing I ever knew I wanted to do really yep eight years old then I remember meeting my dad when he introduced me to his friends is that

when you started practicing started no I didn't start practicing till later a few years later started practicing but eight years old I remember a dab was a big surge and man's and please and thank you man especially on the surge and man's and I remember him introducing me to these two guys that

I later found out where it's hit men and I remember we're an oak forest country club parking lot that it had lunch in the 19th hole there and they had black suits on and shades and the sun was in my eyes I looked up I shook their hand nice to meet you sir nice to meet you sir and something happened

in that moment maybe it's the fact that they also look like you know the men and black guys but also something came up that conversation that they had kids and it hit me that every male that my dad had introduced me to and made me say that it's his sir too they were fathers and in that moment

I was like oh that's how you make it in life that's what success is and maybe again it was a little men in the suits with the shades but I was like wow oh that's it and that was always clear to me I don't want to be a father and for a while there and I didn't know if I was ever going to

find a woman that I was going to get married to I kind of wanted that but once I let myself off the hook of believe in that tout had to be that's when I found her yeah when she showed you stopped looking yeah you know and so became one and you know that the

our greatest I've my feeling is what would be my most honorable export three confident children that go off and and have a have a have a character and know who they are know who they're not uh said confident and consider it and you know I can go chase down and

know what they love to do and do that for themselves and what they do for themselves also happens to be good for other people as well that that would be my that would be my most honorable thing if I could be I have this this dream and I don't share it with them but my goal would be

that later on in life when my kids in 30 years from now that I can be counted as on one hand as one of the they could say my dad's one of my best friends oh it's beautiful that I can do now I don't have to be the first one the second or the third one that would be yeah because we

I think it's the I think it's the um it's the living form of immortality yeah we come a father you're immortal become a parent you are immortal yeah the the it's past it's going on they will there's so many lessons that I don't I'm realizing and I'm not gonna figure out in this life

but they may come to fruition by my eldest son's great great grandchildren yeah and I will be an author of that um that sense of immortalities in in in fatherhood is something that I'm really honored with how do you think your wife's relationship to the kids is different than yours

now um she's more the day today yep we have to watch that she doesn't become back copy and I'm good cop so that she's dealing with hey hey don't do that and and I don't just show up then they're going yay hey you know kind of make sure our moral bottom line is is solid her

neither we have a very similar moral bottom line we are in the middle of a really fun time that any parent would know with teenagers of re-emphasizing renegotiating what that is because it's a whole new they have so much access to more things in the in the world real world virtual world real friends

social friends media friends online offline in real life what matters to them and they're dangerous out there um your coach university Texas Mac Brown said it told players is because I will treat you all fairly but I will not treat you all the same I'm learning that kids I got three my

three kids are three different individuals the only thing after having kids I realized that it surprised me was it was more DNA than I thought that was much more environment I'm like no they are who they are yeah and I've got an older one who's extremely considerate

old soul here and a teddy bear over here I got a middle one who's just girl daughter who's absolutely practical calls the bullshit sees it and just calls what it is and she's also a you know a great forgive her you know doesn't like that did let's let's not have a lot of

confrontation come on listen to me I'll I'll take a tie before you come on let's just get past this I got a young one who's just a bullet and super super smart strong and I've learned with him that you know he's got a bowl of a mind and just let even if you know he's saying something

that gonna ask to do something you know I'm saying no let him get it out of his mouth let him finish so I've got to treat them all differently yet what what we call fairly and so Camille and I I think all walking good line of that the teenage years are becoming a new challenge for that

because it's new for us too and their world's different right so I can't completely go well this is how it was for me because the world's changed that much it's it's the way they have relationships and and through social media and the way the way they move and things that are

maybe okay now that just weren't even in the in the pictures of the possibility of then so there's it's I'm calm her and our constantly going what are the values that we want to maintain from what we learned and what we how we grew up and what we've grown up with that hey

they don't they don't go away when the weather changes we you get those we still got to take these through this I know it's a whole new game you're doing things differently and there's but you those values are not interchangeable we got to stick with those and that's what we're trying

to stick to and we're her and our clothes on that we're we're we're close on that I'm probably a little more go find out than she is yeah and there's a you know maybe mother's protection that's in there for and I'm like well I'm right now and this time I'll go free play go go find out yeah

go get bruise go break the arm go go figure out go learn the consequence that the experiences or where we'll remember that I want to don't want to protect them too much at the same time you know don't want to send them into stupid situations I think parenting a lot of it is

when do we our kids are going to climb a tree they're going to get out on all them kids up in that limb right there you're like he falls he's got a good you got nice grass there he's probably not gonna break something but we might bruise well let him climb yeah because if I go

no no no no no hey hey good good good good good kids aren't afraid to fall afraid to hide until they fall right but now mind you come out here and we got one at the top of that tree yeah and it's right over the table you're like oh shit um I don't want to start a limb by

not saying hey buddy come on just take your time come on down the trunker when do you tell them to come down yeah from the tree and when you say now if you fall from there that'd be a good fall for you yeah and I don't want to say it too early I think some of us say it too early yeah and then kids

are all for sudden afraid of heights they're afraid to go tripping and then all of a sudden they want to say it too late because the first time they get in trouble they're in jail or worse yeah you know so it's trying to did you ever have those boundaries as a kid did anyone tell you don't

climb the tree watch out that's dangerous my parents for would let me climb pretty damn high yeah yeah and and stay pretty dog on calm while I was up there where most parents would be like you see this anything it's because they trusted you what do you think was going on with them

my with my family's very much always been you know what what what tickles us may bruise others you know um we you know no one got you can get too excited you didn't get overly excited about it or alarmed about a good scar you're like that's good one you got a story now too and you remember that you learned it it was it was so there was a there was a leash there we had our doothin don'ts yeah here's the rules we're gonna we expect you to follow but you know go if you didn't get out if you

didn't hustle if you didn't go for effort was our thing that's my dad's thing it's kind of my thing with my kids now my you know me I'm not telling you got to be straight A's I'm not telling you you got to win this or be the best I'm just saying I need a hundred percent effort man yeah you do

your best that's all that matters yeah just do and it doesn't matter what anyone else is doing and then if you win great look at me and go I had something do with that you lose you look at the meeting go that's something do that but I don't regret yeah going kind of have to ask you that

kind of thudge that one I didn't really show up which is what my worst I hate that feeling yeah of leaving something going I didn't do your best yeah I don't want to prepare it I and I've embarrassed myself on that too I've showed up times not not as prepared as I should have

been tried to wing it and failed yeah and horrible feeling yeah but if I'm if I you know from feel like I'm doing my best if they don't lose I can be pissed but I can also then go well well dude there you dance okay that's how it lies yeah what else are you gonna do exactly yeah

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no stops that creative process yeah it's sure you know that you do that as a producer I'm guessing right I mean just like you add on to it now I can rearrange it yeah we're talking and I'm coming yeah and what about if in all of a sudden the every actor wants to believe that the idea

was the ours and every great director knows that and so makes us feel like it's ours even if the PA just came up and said try this yeah you know what I mean the best sets you steal from each other and you're honored to be stolen from because you're there talk free doesn't matter what comes from

and you feel like it's your idea and every actor thinks that movies about them amen yes even if you had one part one role you when you asked someone actually that movie you tell me it's your movie man and here why yeah the center of that yeah you want to very action to believe that it's a

wonderful thing um I've had I've worked with one director who was had that shot list and was prepared for that shot list and had the money to shoot every single shot and every single scene wide mediums close up this and shot every scene yep not that fun he was going to make the movie

in editing room yeah with a basic set of shot he didn't have a point of view yeah of each scene he put together something nice it connected the dots okay but I didn't feel life I didn't feel any magic yeah um you got someone on the other stream like a link later yeah yeah it's got opinions

yeah well you know what if uh you know you think what are some being interested in the intellectual redhead a girl you know I mean it's probably been with the typical objects the cheerleaders and stuff you think you'd like the intellectual redhead girl yeah he likes hot kind to say cool man

well this is she's like she's sitting over here in the car it's Friday night maybe like she's got her nerds in the back seat I don't know maybe like you think what are some like me pull up trying pick her up yeah once you did yeah your next thing you know that's the just kind of what if you

know never said here's what I think you hear what I want you to do you give the act of the chance to go yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I like that great when try that yeah yeah now I'm got now I've got ownership yeah thought it was my idea yeah yeah yeah feel like it's my idea yeah you gave it to me

yeah yeah yeah but you let me go yeah yeah and now you want me to go into that scene have it ownership that yeah yeah so you're not being told what to do nobody likes me told what to do that's true that's the first thing I tell directs I said I'm so easy to direct just don't tell me what to do yeah

yeah yeah nobody likes to be told what to do that's it nobody yeah you know that's the secret of the universe hmm learn that with parenting too rule number one nobody likes to be told what to do do you want to you want to mess up and call something a mandate people are running we want to

choice and we want to believe it's ours if you want to do something and someone mandates that you won't do yeah yes cool coyote the opposite exactly yeah exactly you read a script you imagine a movie and then you get to make the movie and you see it yeah how much change happens a lot I've got

a I've got a class that I'm a professor in the university it's called script to screen I started 10 years ago it's about that exact thing I looked up 15 years ago I was like damn the movies the final product on the screen is so different from the original script what's that process

yes here's the book this almost based on they haven't seen the film they read it they all get up into Claire what movie do you see in there then we have in the first script whoa where's this storyline go and hey okay let's talk about it then we have in the next script whoa we're

so and so go and then in the end in the next script whoa what happened to my favorite in-scene that action sequence at the end yeah well then we come back and tell them and those are all real examples like it's a real book yeah that there's a first script there's a second script there's

a third script and then we show them the movie and then we come in and talk to them about what is that we've been doing all mine we've done mud a few times we've done days we've done free-stated Jones we've done the gentleman we're about to do this one I'm done just did paradise

we've done about eight of my movies so have you ever directed have how's that experience I don't particularly enjoy I what I've directed I've also acted in yeah and I don't particularly enjoy changing hats yeah the director is directing without acting or you prefer acting

I prefer acting I like being the subject yeah I like having a singular obsession let me handle my man that's it I don't want to consider how the whole ship is sailing and we're navigating I don't like it it's just a lot I don't like being the the director has to be objective where's

this whole thing going I like going let me handle this lane let me dominate this show some real life let it be fire and you catch it that's how you joke have you played any known real life characters or only fictional characters playing some known real life characters how's that different

hmm well it comes with I always feel a certain sense responsibility yeah um um and I've tried different ways early on I remember I tried to almost emulate and really studied the person's a um addiction and I don't think that was the right way to go about it actually. I then came and I've done a few where it's big just get the spirit. Don't be worried

about that. Don't get hung up on the details of you know people all the time come up with going like oh this person should play this character in history because they look like them. Steve is just like we don't really care how much they look alike. What we want is the best act for the role. Yeah. Not yeah but I look just like him. So what? Yeah.

Give me a good example. Dallas Byers Club. Ron Woodruff, real life character. I've got hours and hours of footage of him and tapes and I'm listening and I know a story and you know he hears attitude and then but when I went to go see his mother and his sister outside of Dallas. Right it's like I got in the car to leave after a three hour hang. They came out to have to win our role and I said yeah what's up to go hey we have Ron's diary.

That'd be helpful. I want. Yeah if I'm not trespassing and I'm not please give me the diary. So what do I get from the diary? Nothing that's in the script written but what do I get? I get I see a story about a guy who on Sunday night is ironing his shirt putting new AA batteries in his pager because tomorrow morning at 7 a.m. he's going to drive 36 miles over to Kingwood Texas and hook up the speakers for the call your family. It's going to cost

him $12 for the wire to hook up the speakers. It's going to cost him about $8 for the gas to get there. He's going to charge him $40 which is less than the best best than the store company would charge 80 but he's going to do a good job. He's going to do it for half the price. But he's only going to net about $10, $15 on the day of the work but you know what it's going to work for me because they'll I'll get a referral and

I'll go to another. To then wake up he's got a shirt on. He's going out the door. His pager goes off. Oh we're canceling that script and we decided to go with best by to hook him up because they're closer and they got a warranty. To a guy who now whose day turned into lost its purpose who had his iron shirt who then said went back in the house and then kind of all of a sudden noon shows up and decides well I'm going to go for a drive and

I'm going to go to Sonic. Maybe Susie May's working there and she's kind of cute. Plus when I ordered her a single cheeseburger she gives me a double with jalapenos for the same price. Susie May is there. When you get off on Smoky joint end up at the days in room 16. Shag up, getting high. The week turns into partying and sort of drifting until next week can where I'm going to do it again and something falls through. So he saw this

guy that would have he was trying. He's setting himself up and then it wouldn't go the way planned it and he just sort of just in loses way into the week and it happened week over week and he got lost. What did that tell me? I got a dreamer who just couldn't fall it never followed through. Had some shitty luck but kind of just had great ideas but would never have the confidence to trademark him or pat him or follow through or engineer

him. That tell me a lot about who the guy is none of that's in the script. But how that guy feels more than the script. What's he doing when he's all when he's alone? How's he thinking? He's looking over the horizon. He's never going to go there. There's a lot of humanity in that guy and that guy and I get that from his diary not from how does they got to follow. So lucky that the diary was available. Amazing. And that they had to

offer it to you. Yeah. Beautiful. Do you gamble? Yeah. Tell me about it. I gamble enough as I say to buy a ticket to the game. I don't gamble too. I don't spend too much. I'll bet a hundred dollars on games and what it does is it's enough for me to be interested in watching. That's enough for me to go when they win. I go I knew it. It's enough for me to go when they throw a flag and it should be a flag to get off the couch, get pissed

at the ref and go what are you doing? So I bought myself three hours of entertainment value to being gazed with the game. And like every gambler, if I go seven and one, I'm a force to tell it. I knew it. See, I was thinking and when I go one and seven, something's off for them, not me. It's rigged. It's rigged. And all of that already is worth that hundred dollars when it lose to me. Are you superstitious? I don't think I'm as superstitious as I ought

to be. I think I like to be more superstitious. I'm a thinker. I love logic and reason at the same time. You know, you should about being right. Especially when you're talking to somebody, you know what I mean? I like to find my rhyme from the reason now. Like I like to find my art acting from real life. I like to measure what's the practicals that we can measure. What's the science of our situation to then find the art? So that's where I go conservative

and very liberal late, as I was talking about earlier. I've had plenty of what are obviously for lack of a better word, coincidences or things have been invisible. I'm like, do you know that blue bulb is coming there? I've had plenty of those. You don't know that math adds up in hindsight. You look and you go connect those dots. That mouse going on.

Yeah. That we don't understand. Bigger than us. Yes. And things crossed and that red light I hit that held me back thirty more seconds is why I ran into her because she was walking about that exact time. And if I had been fifteen seconds earlier, I would have missed and look at what? Things that I'm going like, ah, okay, I'm not part of that math. So if that's superstitions or coincidences or fate or divinity and intervening, yeah, I believe

in it. The thing is with it, the way I go with it, I do have to watch and I wish I think some people have to watch. People that are very empathic. If you're looking for the superstition, you start to, it can be trouble. You start to create rhymes where you're like, no, those that, that's not it, that there's no rhyme to that. It's a little like this. The masseuse

who's, you know, you're saying, my shoulder needs work. And the masseuse goes like, you know, why are you, is it because you're not, maybe get more in touch with your feminine inside or what your horse go. No, I actually, a car ran into me yesterday. That mean actually that's an injury that happened. So we get, I think we have to watch looking for, if we're looking for those synapses, those were reason rhymes and connections. And that's what ours

do. We associate. But if we, if we're hunting, like you said earlier when I said, found Camillo when I quit looking for it, if we're looking for the associations. Yeah. I think they back up. I think the angels back up and go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not, you know, we'll land and it'll be obvious. But don't be trying to make too many. And life can get very noisy and clumsy and frustrating, confusing. If we're associated too much.

Like I, it's why it's why it's why it's why it's why the new weed. Oh man, too strong. It's too many associations. I'm seeing art in everything. And if you're seeing art in everything, you're not seeing any art at all. If every moment is so significant, none of it has significance. And that's why it's like digits, the subplots can become unmanageable.

And subplots become unmanageable. You're like, what, you're missing the main vein. So I don't think those superstitions are in those divine truth land when we're looking at them and trying to create them. And it's a fine line to walk about how to be aware, listen, and notice. Yeah. But yet not try and make them. So we can make false ones. And that can be illusions. Yeah. And what you're not, we can, can make us mad. Literally. What's

the most beautiful place you've ever been? Molly Africa. Tell me about it. So I had a recurring wet dream. And two things were true in the dream. I was floating down a river and there African tribesmen down the left cliff that went in down down the river into infinity. And so the first time I had it, I woke up, no, math doesn't add up for that being a wet dream. The elements didn't tip weren't the typical thing. They're more of a nightmare

for anything. And then I had it again five years later. I was like, oh, I had the same dream. Second time, I got a chase of dream down. What do I know? I got a river and I got African tribesmen. So I thought the river, the river in my mind was the Amazon. So I ended up going, okay, 21 day trip. I'm going to go to the Amazon. I'm going to go float the Amazon. I did it. I met the brown skin people, the wet eyes, the beautiful souls they have

and Peru and everything and had a great trip. Thought, okay, I finished it. Five years later, I had the same dream again. So I said, what's the other thing I know with the African tribesmen? Oh, I got to go to Africa. Where do I go? I don't know where to go. And Africa is a big continent. I'm sitting in my hotel in Dublin one night at Morris, no tell. I'm listening to one of my favorite musicians, Ali Farkature. Yeah, I have a

blues man. I'm like, oh, where's Ali from? I go look in the liner notes, Nia Funkai. I said, I'm going to go find Ali. That'll be my point. And I'll go there and see what the trip takes me. I find him day four. Wow. You've never met him before. Never met him before. Yeah. Get over there. Find somebody who can take with Agabot, Nia Funkai. Can speak Bombada and we find him. Have lunch with them. Talk with him. Got to go. And now I'm going to get in the boat. We've said goodbye. It's the

afternoon of day four. I'm like, well, where now? And I had a guy that was like, hey, you ever been to the Bangeagara where the dog on live? We should go. You would like this. You will remember this. And so for the next 18 days, we hike 15 miles a day, stayed with families, slept on the roofs. It was the most innocent, pure, but strong place that ever been. And I felt like I've gone literally home. I felt as at home there with them. Didn't

speak language. Didn't need to. Yeah. But I felt like you belonged. 100%. I knew I'd been there for two. And they knew I'd been there before. And you know, we're little things. You know, we had this talisman. And we were on that, we were in this place called Bangeag Matu. And ESA, my guide, had this beautiful talisman. And there's a trunk of a tree that was cut off. It's like a bit of a tabletop. And he set the talisman like that. He had

this hanging over. And I went over and scooted it. And it was what you do this, Devda. And I said, oh, I just don't know what that fight goes. This is Africa. Elephant could run by, shake the ground, let the nepa move. Wow. Oh, yeah. They're right. This is a hold. Not true. This is not the mountains over there don't have tips. They've been flattened. So I learned so many lessons over there. They're very proverbial. There's nothing wispy about

their proverbs. They're like, you know, do not adult. If you adult, the same thing will happen to you in your own bed. They always have this at the end. It's like a fire in the brimstone. Wow. And it's not about to write it wrong. It's about, do you understand? Oh, okay. You know, everything's proper nouns. Yeah. No rules. And I just like the clarity of that. And they were so loving the sense of, I bet, sense of humor. Talk about, I

remember one of my friends that I met over there, Yahya. He had a bum, he had a bum hip. And so he walked, he walked like that, right? And a French doctor, a couple had come over and said, Hey, we like you a lot. We're going to take you. We're going to fly you. In fact, the French wing didn't do a surgery on your hip. He was all excited about this. And he left us to go take that flight. And after any showed back up. And when I go out, I

go, what happened? And he goes, I got to the airport. And I said, it hit me that this is how I was born. It's not for me to change it. Yeah. This is how I walk. Yes. I don't want to change it. Yeah. That sort of non-sentimentality, sort of, whoa, acceptance, whoa, but strong acceptance. Yeah. And they're very sensitive people. Yeah. But yet they deal with, they

play, you play it as it lays. I remember hearing on that second time, I went back again, a fourth time, the second time back to Molly and found Olly again at that festival, out of dessert. You know, the festival way out in the middle of the desert. You can find it. You will be here for three days. And generators are all out in the middle of the desert. I find on the last night, I find, I'm walking around camp. And I hear Olly's

strings. And I go look under the tent and there's Olly playing guitar, the little campfire. There's a French journalist and the village, hermaphrodite. This young boy who had large breasts on one side, but also Tesco's, but fully naked, was crawling all over Olly as he played. Just adoring. And Olly's playing the song. And what I noticed over there, and they saw this in many circumstances, you don't shoe the inconvenience. You don't run someone

off stage. Hey, I need my space. No, you played this song as it has never been played before because you have the village from afrodite and crawling all over you, making you play out of tune. That's the original tune. And it will only be played once. And that's, you play it as it lays. There was a beauty to that that they don't, they're not, you, anything that happens. I mean, they, you run over an animal on the road and you're having a conversation.

You didn't mean to hit the animal, bam, you hit the animal. They just pull over and keep the conversation going. You and I both get out and go get the animal, continue the conversation, go put it back in the truck and we're back, hopefully drive off. They don't stop. There's a, oh my God, what just happened? It's all you, you play it as it lays. So the beauty in that, the way they, the way they, they, the poetry they go through life with. Sounds beautiful. Yeah.

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Think of yourself as sensitive? Yes. In what way? Describe it. I hear a lot of things, and I think I listened. Maybe I listened to too many things. Desyfer, which one is listened to? Not too. Sometimes I wish I was less sensitive. Be nice to just sit on a baseline for that any percussion. When you say you hear things, you mean things that people say or something else? No, the else. The else. The stuff that's not

words. You're tuned into something. That'd be way to say it? Yes. You have any rituals on the set? Yes. I find every, you know, I make a soundtrack for every role. Then I have certain songs for certain scenes. You make it in advance? Yes. It's a rhythm thing. It helps me how I enter a scene. I come in. I like to place some skins or play body. I'll come in with rhythms for scenes and get a hum or a whistle. By the time I'm on scene, I'm doing a version of

a John wrote the song. I'm doing it in a ditty. Whether it's a pat, whether it's me. I'm getting out of my head. I'm getting out of my head. It's not about logic. Now about rhyme. It's the reason we're all on rhyme now. It's just rhythm. We're going to rock in. That's the pace of addiction. That's the pace of how I'm looking. That's the pace of how I'm talking. Whatever that route, and that's what I do before scenes. I find a certain tap of a ditty

of the music that is for that scene before you see. Tell me about your relationship to music in general. I take music over video or films any day if we could just have one. I mean, growing up and even now, it's one of the beautiful things about music. Sometimes the lyrics and that lead singer, they're talking to you. They wrote that for you. How did they know? They're smart. They're good at what they do too. Other times, it's an interesting

look. I don't know that. Not me, but thanks for letting me in to that story. Is it always lyrics? Is the lyrics the thing that pulls you in? It's not always lyrics. It's not always like, but sometimes growing up, washing my car on Sunday, if you get it shined up, or going to school on Monday, a couple of coolers' lives in the driveway, listening to Mel and Camp. Pete Cousins. He was like, that's America. He got four mice into patriotism.

Lonesome Jubilee. Beautiful album he made. That race relations and relationships in the world and in America. The love stories in that that are not typical. Formed a lot of those times. You're reading my mail, man. How'd you know? Thank you. Then I've got other people like Oli Fark-Turray, which is a, he's speaking Bambara. I don't know what he's talking about. So I hear a song like I do. Beautiful love song. I've heard this song. Oh my gosh,

it's love. This is a romance. This is about a man and a woman. It's a love story. One night, after listening to the song for three years, I decided to look at the liner note. And the liner notes say, trust in your fellow man. You cannot trust someone else until you trust yourself. I'm like, well, it is a love story, but it's not the love story I thought it was, because I didn't know the lyrics. So I'm now a propped, but I was in, but it still was a love story. So I love that

sort of thing about not hearing or why like certain French music. I like some French grooves, because I like, I love this French language. And when I can, I don't know what they're talking about. And I kind of like not knowing what the time is. So it's not always about the

specific lyric as much as about the feel. And then, you know, you have those, I've had it, many thousands of other people have had it, but I mean, you know, I had that summer with Lori Williams with the top off the Jeep coming back after a great night, where I first heard Don Hamley summer 69. And I was like, ah, dude, I remember where I was. I smell it right now. And then he's talking about, you know, teetop down the top. So I'm like, yeah, I do. And I do

have my sunglasses on. How'd you know? You know, so you remember that. You hear the first two chords of certain songs. And you're like, takes you right back. You know, it's, it's, it's, music's great, great marketing. I'm marketing tool. I'm always interested in how resorts and stuff and, and, and stores of retail are very smart with playing the music that whatever their demographic

was. Play the music that was hot when they were 18. If it takes them back to a youthful place, even subliminally, to a youthful place where they felt young and free in the most barrel, right? It's very good marketing tool, but it's also very comforting. And now, you know, I'm going through my kids are pretty musical, especially Levi and I elders. And I'm having that time where he's now coming back to me going, Dad, check this out. I'm like going, yeah, I played that

for you eight years ago. And when you kind of brushed back and I, he's just coming out, coming at me now with whole notes. Yeah, amazing. You know, coming at me with, you know, the police. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, man. Yeah. All right. When you leave the set, do you take the character with you or can you leave the character on the set? Yeah. So, the character's always with me. I mean, my wife's jokingly says I'm sleeping with

the different man. She doesn't literally mean it, but I come home. I'm going to talk about the same things, but differently. Yeah. If I'm playing, look, Ron Wood of Dallas Pires Club. The guy was clinically trying to survive on every thing. I mean, things were tight. There's no room for error. There's no room for being loose. I mean, this is what, so I was very that's clinical at home. Even at home. Yeah. But about the same things with me, but I was a little more

like Camilla would come to me at the class. Why don't just take the edges off. Yeah. You know, yeah. Gold. The guy was a consumer. Yeah. Of food and lust and sex and money. Oh, man, I was so much fun in the house. I'm talking about the same things, but I was like, hell yeah, milkshakes on a Wednesday night. You want to do pizza again? Yeah. Let's do two. I was, yes. I was captain fun. Yeah. Talking about the same things, but the founders are like, man, you're just like,

it's Saturday everyday because my, I'm playing the guy that is Saturday everyday. So that's a vacation. It was a Saturday everyday. Still took care of the stuff that needs to be taken care of. I didn't become like your response. Well, I was just like a yes guy though. Talking about the same things we would talk about as a family. Yeah. So I'm just tabbing into that part of me that I'm, that I'm got the HKZ turned up on the frequency of that character and the character I'm playing.

Have the characters ever changed you beyond? Tell me about that. The effect at some movies, one movie is probably more certain characters for me. Contact. Me and Jodie Foster, Bob's next direct. She's the sub-believer in science. I'm the believer in God. It's a story about where to those two contradicts each other and where they, where do they cross? Sitting down with Carl Sagan talking about the structure of the universe and

did you get to do that? Yeah. Amazing. I got to get three hours, three hours listening to him. Amazing. It was awesome. I walk away from that going, wow. God's backyard is a whole lot bigger than I thought. It expanded my, you know, thought I was here on Earth, center of the universe. No. You're about to tip of the five, top left corner on the five on a clock this big and this is one galaxy and there's millions and there's even millions of universes. Whoa. Okay. That humbling

feeling. We are Marshall. We go shoot that. It's about the 1971 plane crash, true story in this football team and a lot of their coaches die on this plane crash and there's survivors that have survivor guilt because I was supposed to be on the plane but when I saw you show up, I said, no, you take it. I'll drive back in the plane crash. We shot into town. Hollywood comes to Huntington, West Virginia. They were scared. They were scared. They were also, everybody in that town was

connected somehow related to somebody on that crash. And here comes Hollywood to tell their story and they're looking at us like, don't you fuck us, man. Don't you fuck us. They'll make us look. McGee, the director did a great thing. Open set. Anywhere from the town once comes set. I'll give you a script. All of a sudden they slowly started coming out of the woods in the woodwork, coming around, hanging around. And it was a cathartic movie for them. After it came out and we did

our best to tell it and get the tell the spirit of it, right? Didn't take advantage of any of them. So to see how a movie can affect a people, a place, a community, to see how it sometimes it'll affect me as a character, my own perspective. Like it did with like Palmer, Jocelyn contact. I always try and take some lesson from it. I mean, it dissipates somewhat because when I'm playing the role, they're certain literal beliefs. I'm in that vacuum. But it sounds like you

grow from it. When it went on the goblins I do. Look, I've done somewhere. I'm like, dude, you just connected the dots. I don't know how I grew from that. If anything, I was trying to, couldn't wait to get out. Will you ever ask to do something on a movie that you refuse to do? Yeah. Like what? Why? Why on my character? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's certain things where where you're like the character would never do that. I'm not doing it. No, you're protective of

your character. It's my job. That's my job. And if I lie, meaning I was talking earlier about that, into the second act, into the third act is when writers usually get the pinch, oh, I've got to land this plane. So a lot of times they'll give the main character a convenient malaprop of their own character. So they can screw up. So somebody else can come in and we can start to finish this movie. And I look at it. You guys do it bullshit, bro. Would never do that. Yeah.

Oh, come on. It was like, that ain't on me. Yeah. And I'm going to let you know before we're in production. I know we don't shoot this for two months. But we got to ride our way out of this because I'm not doing it. If you want to get that to someone else, go right ahead. When I suggest, let's ride our way out of this smartly. Yeah, because I get it. We got to figure out another way that works. I'm not saying that because I say that they don't come back at you the

writer and go, I can't believe or you the studio. They're going like, what's going on? I hate doing what was that bullshit? He wouldn't have done that. And that's on me. So I'm not taking that. So to allow my man, no, I can't do that. That's really the only time I use can't. The word can't look down. I can't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's the most fun part of your job? The daily making. I'm probably as happy and as loose and relaxed and as in tune and

alive when I'm the daily making of the movie. What's your least favorite? Least favorite? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, the hardest, the work is in the prep. If I've done the work on the prep, that's when I'm sleepless nights. That's when I'm drying in and I'm looking under all everything as many ways that I can. I've done enough, having another way to look at this. And then when it's going to work, that's play. Oh, that's just job. Okay. Trust you got it.

And that's fun. The ending of a movie, if I felt good about it and experience is good, it's always kind of nice. I feel like I deserve this break. I feel like I deserve this long drive. I'm I feel like I deserve to sleep in and tomorrow. I feel like I deserve another drink if I want on. I feel like we're going to sit back and go, yeah, man, I feel like I laid something down truth. That feels good. The hardest part though is that next three weeks. I always like say

this. I mean, I had a structured day, a character now I'm at home. What am I supposed to do? Like I said, I walk into the bathroom. For God, I need to take a piss. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, I can someone. So my wife helps me. We're going to set some simple things. Here you go. We're going to pad the walls a little bit. Yeah. You know, I mean, just a little padding, let's just consider it ease back in because that's slowly going to, and then I'm back in the groove.

But it's I'm a little like this for a few weeks afterwards. What are your obsessions outside of work? Well, I just found one three years ago. Ten years. First time I've ever had in 25 years. And I love it. I cannot get enough of it. What would you play? As often as I can, wherever I go, I try to go four or five times a week if I can. I'm not making it five times a week, but everywhere I go, I'm going to find a problem. I'll go for two hours. And my son's into it now. So it's a father-son thing

we're doing. Great. And I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm made up of it. What do you think it is about tennis? Well, one, I can I'm at the level now where when I do it well, I know what I'm doing. Yeah. And like when I do it wrong, I know what I'm doing. So I can measure I feel it. I know immediately when I miss a shot, I want to make sure what I did right or wrong. The second thing is the feeling is infinite. I'll never I know enough of that now. If I watch the pros play, I am in all.

Yeah. So to understand the game enough to be in all of them, to see what the how go wide or so great and go, wow. I don't have to be that, but wow, the ceiling. Are you playing to winner? You're playing to play. I mostly play to play, but I've started to play more points and matches now. And when I'm doing that, I'm playing to win. Yeah. Tell me about three turning points in your career. My career? Yeah. Okay. Well, the first one is how the career started. Walks in the right

bar the right time. And that really happened that way. That really happened. That was it. That was it. The bartender I went to that bar because that guy was in film school with me and he gave me free drinks. He says there's a guy at the bar who's a producer in town. I go down and introduce myself four hours later that guy and I are drunk. Get kicked out. On the way home. He got right with me in the taxi back to my place to drop off. He pulls out of joints. He's

everything acting. And I was in a middle-eyed commercial about that long because I might be right for this part. Come on down to this. You just up up up. I went down nine third and then exploring. That was Stays and Fuse. I read for the role and got it three lines turned to three weeks for it. Right bar right time. Second one would be this is a combination. I did an independent where it's a time where I was I was not getting a lot of jobs. And I got hired for this

role. And my idea was, oh, I've been studying too much. I got to get out of my head. I got to go back and do it. How I did it earlier. Days confused. I show up. I'm just my man. Tell me what to do. Hey, you think you want to pick up the red and orange sugar? I'll go do it. Let's shoot it. I didn't read the script. I said, I'm gonna give you the situation. I'll go handle it as my my man would. Well, I show up on the day of the set after getting this bright idea.

And right before about to go, I haven't even got a little nervous. I said, let me see some sides just to see. And if my thinking was if they're written well, I'll go, well, obviously that's what I'd say. And if it's not written well, I just do what I want. I go page one, page two, page three, page four. And I was then I go, can I get 12 minutes? Because it was a four-page monologue. Rick, in Spanish. No. Yeah, it's really. And I mean, the sweat trickles goes down my back. When I

come like, oh, shit. So I got so embarrassed. Yeah. That I got up for that afterwards. I got called in to meet with Joel Schumacher, director of a time to kill. And we were talking about the, I think it's Billy Lee Cobb, the role keeper, Seville, and ended up playing as a clan member. And that's the role that Joel wanted me for. But I had not only read the script, I read the book. Wow. And I'm like, the dude I like is Jake, but Gantz, the lead. I'm going to get that in in this

meeting. Yeah. I remember I was wearing sleeveless melon camp shirt. Yeah. Smokers cigarettes at the time. And we're talking to Joel. It's like, you'll be great in this part. And I said, yeah, I know guys like that, that Billy Lee Cobb. I met a few of them. I know they are. And I'm like, well, who's playing the role of Jake? We're Gantz. He goes, I don't know. Who do you think should? And I remember going, I think I should. And he goes, my great idea, but it's never going to happen. But it

planned the scene. Yeah. Because they went down. They had trouble casting over the next two months. Sandra Bullock comes out while you were sleeping. All of a sudden she was already in the third role. Yeah. But she can green light a movie. Yeah. Now. Yeah. Oh, the studio's got a little leverage. Maybe we can consider none known. He calls me in for a read on it. It's a Valentine's

Day. And he called me in. It was on Fairfax. Not a studio. I remember him saying they were doing it on Fairfax on a Sunday, Valentine's Day, because no matter how well you do, you're probably not going to get the job. And I don't want to go on your record as you tried and failed. Yeah. So looking after me, yeah. I read I get it. Amazing. I wouldn't ever have chance to get it if I wouldn't have said in that meeting. Yeah. You

planted. I think I should. Yeah. Because you would have never thought of you. Right. Why would he? Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. A third fun one is a funny one. It's a rainifier. Put a dragon slayer. And I just finished film. And the day after I finished film, I shaved my head. I don't know if you've ever shaved your head. I have not. You shave your head for the first time. Yeah. It's not usually pretty. Yeah. Yeah. It's stark white. I had scarred and no

stumps. Yeah. And pop right. You've got to picture me the next day on the streets. And it didn't look very well. The producers see this. And all of a sudden I get this note saying you did not shave your head. I know this is a prosthetic and you were trying to prank us. I know you didn't shave your head. And if you did shave your head, this could be bad for your karma. And when that read down the note, and I'm not going to say the author of it, bad for your karma. And I took that

personal. I was like, Oh, these are these are fighting words. Man, you don't challenge someone's karma. You don't step out of bounds and a written handwritten note that this is bad for you. What do you want? Well, the idea that they control your karma is a wild idea. And the idea that that's an indirect threat. Yeah, because I shaved my head. So I'm like, Okay, I understand Hollywood's a game. Let me play this game. I get it. They want McConaughey with this nice flowing locks for the role.

But my guys got a shaved head. He's dragging. So I said, All right, what I'm going to do. I said, who's I know what they're doing? They're going like girls aren't going to like this. Then I got an only like the shaved head. I said, All right, I got a plan. I'll send the shout to them. Marmo. I get in there. So 10 days I went to a pool every day. But it's a baby all on it. Hair got nice and tan and my beard got blonde. And I went and bought a bad ass beautiful Hugo boss blue suit.

And there was a big Hollywood party coming up on Friday night. And I said, I'm going to show up to that looking high and tight. I said, I look good and I want. Yeah, and I'm just suit. Yeah, like it'll be pictures and yeah, it'll get her back. It'll get around back to those two. And then some secretary will go, Oh, I think he looks handsome. And I'll be with you. It'll be good for your karma. Well, sure. Yeah, the next two. It came out

and time picture of the tabloids. Plus it got back in this in this in the Hollywood system. Pigs got it. And I got a call on a Tuesday evening. We love the shave. Great character choice. Bays good for my karma. But I played I twisted the game. I'm going to play. I'm going to play the game with you here. And I remember deliberately going get a nice suit, bro. Look sharp. Yeah, get tan. Make this go look a little bit better and get out there. And it worked. It's because I

think I would have lost the job. I think they may have made they've they're about to fire me. And I wanted to roll. Yeah. Do you think that pressure makes you better or it undermines you? Better. But pressure is different from tension. Okay, describe what's the difference? Tensions of actors worst enemy when you're acting. You don't want tension. But pressure. Oh, I'm going further. I'm going deeper. I'm going wider. I will do more of what I need to do

to perform as well as again. I will do more of what I need to do so that I have less tension on the day when I'm in the game. I will study the playbook more in depth so I can more easily call on a lot of bull when it's life. Yeah. The pressure though that I put on myself one starting with I would be embarrassed. Yeah. Two. I want to do want to do it well. Absolutely. Three. I want you to go. Yeah. What we're talking about. I want I want it to translate to people. I want to

communicate. I want people to go. Oh, that's nice. Well done. That's excellent. Oh, no. So the pressure I like and want that pressure. And if I put enough pressure on myself early, I have less tension. Like again, conservative early, liberal late. Understood. Yeah. Are you ever surprised by the reactions to your performances? Yeah. One thing and this is I always think this is kind of one of the best compliments an actor can get.

When I do when I do when I do have a good performance, people on the set and people in the world go, that's you. And it's an indirect but very direct compliment because if you hack because you're not seeing anything. You're not seeing you do anything. Not in the act. Yeah. And in a way, a good performance. We're it's some people think that acting is about being outside of yourself. No, it's not that's only half the journey. It's seeing notice in but then in studying though something

it may not be me, but oh, I got that in me. And here are people I'm studying in this example. So I'm going to find that myself and I'm going to turn up the HKZ on that part of the equalizer of the full work. That's what's going to be primary. And so we all got it in. We have everything in. We have everybody in us. So that's only half the journey is going outside of ourselves. It's

getting to the insular, the singular I see it on the inside out. And you met I get there by observing out objectively first to then bring it in and go inside out to where I'm living it breathing it feeling I am the guy. And if someone goes, it's you. Yeah. At first, how you went out more insecure early in my trip. Like, no, it's not. I'm acting. Yeah. And I got it. I was like, no, exactly. That means I pulled it off. Yeah. How do you think growing up in Texas informed who you are today?

Well, like going to Texas or go up my family, like, it's good. So, so, look on a 30,000 foot level Texas is fiercely independent. And you're and there's a certain, I remember in Texas, talk about pressure, you know, typical things you were, you know, pat on the back, do good because or get consequences and you're getting trouble because you didn't are because that's religious. That's not what you, you know, it's not how you were brought up.

Yeah. Got to do. Then there's because that's un-American, right? It's very American. And then there's your last name because you're a rubin. You're a mcconnohe. And now you're in trouble because that's not rude and that's not okay. Well, in Texas, you had a fourth one because you're Texan or that's no, no, that's not Texan. So it was another measure of initiation of what your expectations were. Interesting. There's a fierce independence in it. Texans have a great

identity, but they're not like Louisiana. Louisiana people stay in Louisiana. Texans are like, okay, now get your passport and go. And then come back and tell stories about it. Yeah. Get out of here. Yeah. Go man. But then come on back and tell us about it. Yeah. Yeah. So we're, we like to export. And you're pushed to be able to encourage to go. Go find out, man. In my family, it was, look, it was effort hustle. And there's a lot of stuff I know that I've

gotten because I'm out hustled. Where I met, where I wasn't the most talented. But I got it because I was out hustled. Work ethic was big. And, and also my family's outlaws, man. What do you think you got to work ethic, though? Not all outlaws have good work ethic. See, my parents did, though, have they were absolute outlaws, but they were a big, hey, man, say what you can do. Do what you say. You can't do it. Don't say you can

do it. Yeah. You know, we got a lot of you running these people that are always, they're all yes about everything. Overlavered things. No bullshit. Yeah. It's like just say what you can do it do as you say. Yeah. If you can't, you're doing me, you're doing the person a better favor by going, that's, that's not for me. Well, thank you. Now I can find someone who can. Thank you very much. So don't overlaver yourself. And, um, say what you can do to what you say. And if you're

gonna say if you say you can do it, you do it. Do it. Don't have acid. It was a big thing, my dad's. Don't have that something, man. If you're going to, yeah, do it. Then do it. Yeah, or don't do it. But just don't do it. What are some skills you learned for parts that you've played? Got a film coming out, rivals of VAMs Eye right now, where I got half decent on a man to lend. That's cool. I think it good, but I got you got to have these on. Cool, though.

Jam, to Nave, it brother song out. Re-park that out. That was super fun. Um, I mean, I had done a lot of films where I learned learned early in scuba dive. There's a lot of scuba diving. You've got ridden horses, but got to be a pretty good horse spend on a couple of films. In this film called Paradise, I get coming out. I drive the hell out of that bus, but I consider myself pretty good driver anyway. So I don't have that to skill. I learn.

You know, reading habits, do you like to read? I don't read much. I write more than I read. I have trouble getting through a whole book. I try. Am I a library field? You would see books, you'd be like, wow, kind of. I'm going to be like, I know. I started, I have, I started everyone. Yeah, you think it's that you're impatient? What do you think it is? Oh, I don't think it's impatient. Here it doesn't hold your attention. I lose my attention. Yeah, or or this.

Like for instance, Emerson's, it's a sermon, but he's got an essay on self-align. I don't know, 17 pages. It's going to be nine months to read it because each paragraph, I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, step that down. I got to walk on that and try and apply that to life and see what I get back. Kind of revert about get. And before I could go on to the next. So I do, I love principled sort of reading that. So this is a approach on a philosophy on life. And I

want now want to take it in and see if I can practically see what I get back from it. See what it does to me. See how I'm asleep and how I'm leaving. How my relationship. That's my, and so it take, I'm a very slow reader that way. It's that type. If it's fiction, it usually, I'll use the lose of my interest. It is nonfiction that I can turn. I like to take a nonfiction and turn that into fiction. Turn that into dreams. And like, well, let's levitate this. Let's expand. Let's

riff on this. What if this story kept going? Do you know, do you know your dreams? Do you remember your dreams? Pretty much. And if I have recurring ones, like the ones I was telling you to go to Africa, those are, I take those as a sign. And I've got some, yeah, I've got some recurring things. Nightmares. And I got some recurring good ones. And I write some down and then my wife and I'll talk about them too. Because sometimes we've found that we're having, we're on a similar,

we're having, we call it similar pillows. Yeah. Different dream, but of the same, yeah, yeah, of the same milk. That's interesting. Yeah. What do you believe now that you didn't believe when you were younger? Oh gosh, that's a great question. I believe now that I didn't believe in the odds. We could do the opposite also. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm going to flip it. Because I think, you know, part of what is challenging about growing up.

A lot of times we learn worse, we don't learn better. Knowledge, I love knowledge. And I love it. If we don't have something to teach younger people, then what the hell's evolution for? What are we going to do it? At the same time, life asks you to start just compromising. Ask you to start going, well, call it a shade of gray. It's not a contradiction. It's not black and white. It's paradox. And all this, there's wisdom in all that. At the same time,

I'm not ready. I don't think any of it should be. And I don't want to be ready to go. I'm still working to hold off as long as I can to go. And well, that's just how it is. And that revolution here's an area of spirit of youth, of belief, out of ignorance. Yeah. It's beautiful. Absolutely. For as I gain knowledge, and I understand practically, I'm like, where's belief come from? Where you want belief, you want faith. Don't look at the facts.

You ain't going to find them there. The facts tell you, it's losing game, right? The facts tell you what you can't do. Right. And as a guy who likes to go to the facts first and then make fiction out of that, dreams out of the facts, I, that's a constant challenge with me to go, no, go to the, don't lose the rhyme for the reason. Yeah. And I try to find rhyme in the reason, but don't be blind or turn tone deaf to the rhythms and the rhymes that have no reason. Yeah.

You're not supposed to know how it's not supposed to add up. It's not math. It's not science. It's not else. It's something else. And this, so that belief as a child is something I'm still, I don't want to, I believe in man, I believe in mankind, I believe in people, I believe we can improve it just even a little bit. And I don't think it's that, that hard. I believe in myself. I don't want to, for convenience,

say, yeah, that's okay. And that is at the same time, I think I ought to be able to forgive more than I do. And there's some things where I need to go, that's how it is. Just let it, let it ride. You can still take your value into that instantly, but you, you've grown, you've changed the world, this change that's how it is. Don't fight that I'm trying to, it's hard, it's hard picking the right fights. Yeah. And I'm trying to, in the fair fights in life are hard enough to win.

Yeah. I'm trying to raise three kids. Yeah. That's a beautiful fight to be in. And it's a fair fight. And a justified one that you go, if you just do that, man, not ready to concede and go, well, I'm trying to pick the right battles. Yeah. I'm trying to pick the right battles, because we've got 24 hours a day. Yeah. There's a lot of time to take on every single battle. And you think when you were younger, you would have taken on everybody. It's, bam, you take them. There are one way tickets.

You know, and as you get older, you don't get family, we got responsibilities. I think, you can't take one way tickets. You know, I can't say, hey, you want to go see if we can go back to all these hometown tomorrow morning, get a backpack and go. Yeah. Well, hang on, I got to check. This decision has some context and consequences. Yeah. I can't just pick up and go on a one way.

Yeah. I got to go check and see if it's the right time. I got responsibility. So those things that come with maturity, those boundaries, I think Linda's obviously more wisdom and freedom and enlightenment. But if it, I watch when it starts to just scrape it belief in faith, in blind faith and belief, and I'm a trust first guy. Yeah. And I don't want to, I don't want to not become a trust first guy. The cynicism is one of the biggest diseases we have and it kills us early. Skepticism I'm for.

The cynicism like now you copped that you gave up. Uh-huh. up