The History of Area 51 - Part One

rely on some of those if you prefer. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen, we hate been dot blogspot dot com, and I appreciate. No, we're we're kidding ladies and gentlemen. Uh, it's always fantastic to be on the show with one of my favorite UH colleagues, and uh, we're actually friends outside of the shows. That's absolutely true. Yeah, if you ever hear us beating each other up, I want to assure you that it's even worse off the air. But

it's all man in good fun. So we decided I had talked about doing an episode about Area fifty one for years. Threatening might be the better word for it. I've been threatening to do an episode about Area fifty one for years and just it was one of those things that we kept on putting off because it's a it's a big topic and it's so big that Ben has been very generous with his time and he and I are going to be doing three episodes about this subject.

So the first two episodes are a history of this facility and what what is actually documented as having happened there, the real history, mind you. The third episode will be the mythology of Area fifty one and some of the stories that have been attributed to that area, some of which border on um whacka doodle. I think it's a good way of putting in. Yeah. So yeah, So we're

gonna cover all of that. So this episod So we're gonna look at the history and if you've heard the term Area fifty one, but you've only seen the depictions in pop culture, like in science fiction, you probably aren't entirely sure what it is now. First of all, Area fifty one isn't necessarily the the proper designation for this facility.

It's the popular one, but really it's more often referred to within within UM documents official documentation as Groom Lake and that's because there's a big dry lake bed in Nevada called Groom Lake, and this facility is built right on there, right, and it's built there for a reason. It's in Nevada. And you you've got some great notes

on this all the way down to latitude and longitude. Yes, yeah, because because this was the thing, you know, for years and years and years, the government would would very very carefully disavow any inform any knowledge of such a facility. They would say, no, you know, nothing out there exists Groom Lake. What what is that? Why would you groom a late That's what purpose a dry lake? You are

speaking crazy talk. So yeah, but but one of the big reasons why it's out there is cause a dry lake bed in Nevada tends to be pretty darn flat. And if you want to say have a remote location where you can develop and test secret aircraft and you need that space in order to take off and land the aircraft, a big dry lake beds a pretty good

you know location, right, Yeah, it's fantastic. It's also far enough inland that the any foreign observers at the time of Groom Lakes construction would have a really difficult time

observing anything to happen there without being noticed. First absolutely, because at the time, this is before we get into satellites, right, So if you are trying to spy upon the construction of Area fifty one it was built back in the fifties, then you essentially had to have a spy plane flying over the United States, which was a pretty risky thing to do. But meanwhile, that's exactly what was going on at Area fifty one was the development and testing of

spy planes. So it's also known as Homey Airport. That's more that's a more recent moniker over there. Um and it's uh, it's probably I have it in my notes. I have it as the most famous secret facility, worst kept. Yeah, it's the it's the secret facility everyone has heard of, which is kind of funny, but but they still managed to keep the actual activities within the the facility itself largely secret. There's been some reports that have come out.

Some of them are credible, some of them are less so. But it's it's one of those things that that secrecy has also led to some serious issues that will get to more in the second part. Some things that have happened that that bring up the question of accountability, like, how can you be accountable if you can't acknowledge the stuff that goes on at that site? Right? And it's no wonder we know that whenever there is a lack of transparency, we find a plethora and I'm using that

word correctly of speculation. Absolutely, because we have to fill in the gaps. Right. Yeah, it's like a Hitchcock movie. The monster you don't see is always going to be worse than the monster on screen. Absolutely, But let's go to uh as, as they say in Alice in Wonderland, let's start at the beginning. What do you say? Absolutely, So let's say that you are uh you are a country that is involved in a little altercation called World War two, and as a result, you need to start

building out your own military capabilities. Well, the United States was very much concerned with s and started to look for all sorts of places where they could build various airport, landing strips, or military purposes. So they identified this one spot and you mentioned I had the latitude and longitude.

I'm gonna go ahead and give it. It's at thirty seven degrees fourteen minutes north latitude and one fifteen degrees forty eight minutes west longitude, which means it's right, it's within a hundred miles or hundred sixty one kilometers of Las Vegas. Uh, that's that's to the south of Area fifty one. And then the closest town is actually called Rachel, Nevada, and that's about twenty five miles or forty kilometers to

the north. And uh, the the original purpose of the facility, which wasn't really even a facility, was just a couple of landing strips, like more like a little compound or small airport. Yeah, it was meant to be a training place for gunner schools, for for people who are actually working on on gunner positions within aircraft. So it's a training facility. And uh it was created by the Army Air Corps. Notice we didn't say Army Air Force. Yeah, this is before the Air Force was ever a thing.

So yeah, it was Army Air Corps. Uh. They ended up using it, like I said, during the forties. By the end of it, they essentially they didn't formally decommission it because there wasn't really enough there to do that. Yeah, they just sort of stopped using it. Yeah, they're kind of like, well, wars done, let's pack up and go, and they left it kind of where it was. Now, that didn't mean that that was the only you only organization to use that area. Uh, there was something else

that happened. So in the nineteen fifties, and this is jumping around a little bit because I don't actually have it right here in my notes, But in the nineteen fifties, two things are going on. One is you have the rise of the Cold War, which means that now we no longer have an active armed conflict going on, but we do have an escalating political conflict between the United States and the Soviet Union. And bunch of spine, yes, a bunch of spine, which would factor in heavily. We

also had that same time on both sides. Both the United States and Soviet Union had an era of developing nuclear weapons, right, So the part of the developing them was testing them to make sure that one they worked and two you you wanted you wanted other countries to know you had them without knowing specifically what your armament was, right, and without you explicitly admitting that you had them either, right,

It was tricky stuff. So the the waste lands of Nevada were often areas that UH, the Atomic Energy Commission would use to test this stuff. And there was this grid of land that they were using to test various types of atomic weapons, including some that were developed by Edward Teller. UH. Joe McCormick and I recorded an episode about five technologies that were supposed to bring it into World War but didn't and were Teller is the father of the hydrogen bombs, so several of his designs were

tested in this area. That grid had thirty squares in it, and each square was called an area alright, so he had areas one through Area thirty. This particular parcel of land where the former Army Air Corps facility was, it was more or less adjacent to a square known as Area fifteen. So it's possible that the Area fifty one name comes from transposing the one in five and saying, all right, well that was the area fifteen. This is Area fifty one. It was not part of the grid originally.

In fact, when when the facility was constructed, the grid had not expanded. It did expand gradually. I think it eventually had something like two squares to it. Testing increased and they built the fake towns and everything, right, right, yeah, and then you see Indiana Jones getting the refrigerator. I knew, I knew we were going to say that. Yeah, that's

the new Jump the Shark, isn't it. Yeah. Yeah, there's Jump the Shark and Jump in the Fridge, which which did not work out for Punky Brewster but did work out for Indiana Jones. Um. So, I mean, while we've got this testing going on in this remote part of Nevada, which I don't know if you're aware of. This turns out that if you're testing lots of nuclear weapons in an area, it tends to be a deterrent for people to come snooping around. Oh that's what we did wrong.

We weren't we weren't actively testing new devices around the office. Oh yeah, so yeah, that's true. There's a there's a profound effect. And I know it sounds like we're jokingly noting something that is glaringly obvious. But even at that time, before there had been the before we had had such extensive research on the effects of this sort of weaponry. Uh,

everybody kind of saw the writing on the wall. Yeah. Right, So at that same time, like you were saying with all the spine going on, and there was a lot of it. We've we've done episodes on tech stuff about spy tech before, and we've even done episodes on specific spy planes, like the the YouTube plane being one of

the most famous. There needed to be some way of developing this technology and testing it without people being aware of it, so that we can maintain that superiority of folks not knowing what we're we are and are not capable of doing so. That led to the Central Intelligence Agency trying to find a good spot for this. And you might say, wait, the c i A. Aren't they for an intelligence They are foreign intelligence. So these were going to be mostly spy plane spying on other places,

not the United States. We have plenty of agencies that are here to spy on us, and it isn't the Air Force already involved? So that's what you would think, right, like, why why the CIA? Why not the Air Force? Well, it comes down to and Ben, I know you've heard this term black budgets, the idea that you need to have a budget that is impenetrable people. People are prove them, but they cannot see what the budgets are actually for.

And it's all under the umbrella of national security. And the reason that this exists now, I know these get a tough time nowadays, and they should. There's a great

argument for the transparency at this time. Just to be fair we have to play devil's advocate and say that the argument against transparency is, of course, during the Cold War, when people are trying to mask their capabilities, anyone with the right amount of subterfusion influence could find uh something that wasn't a black budget all the way down to

individual components, the literal nuts and bolts. So at the time their argument will be that this is necessity and if you want something secret, you put it under At this time in American history, you put it under the CIA, because the Air Force would end up having a budget that was reviewable by Congress, right exactly, and so this would at least mean that everyone in Congress and plus all the congressional aids would have access to those budgets,

which could mean that that's a security risk that that information could leak out and it would get into the hands of of of foreign agents that would end up having the advantage because now they know what we were capable of by having it as a black budget. You take that out, it also means that again you don't have that transparency and you leave the world wide open to just speculate on what's actually going on. So there's a there's another edge to that sword. So the CIA

is in charge of this. They work with the Air Force. But I mean when we talk about testing these planes, it was CIA pilots that we're doing the testing, right, not Air Force pilots. It's very important distinct. So they were civilians who then got uh classification of top secret access through the CIA. I think I've talked about this before,

way way back. But top secret, by the way, does not mean you automatically have access to everything that's classified top secret right spot on intelligence at that level is often what they call compartmentalized altely. Yeah, so you have access to one specific branch, but anything outside of that you don't. So you may be able to go to the very furthest links in that branch, but it doesn't

mean you have access to everything. It doesn't mean, for instance, So then just to illustrate this, the c I a pilot. Let's call him Mr. Smith because that's not a sketchy name, that's perfect. Mr Smith might be They call it being read onto a program, So Mr Smith might be read onto a program for a particular plane, or even something as small as just a particular engine or design of

a plane. Everything else about that is a mystery, and it is understood that he is not even supposed to pretend that he thought of asking everyone who was working at VERA fifty one, whether you're a pilot or an engineer, you were only really allowed to know about whatever it was your specific project was was concerned with, right, yeah, yeah, even if you're in the private industry, which also was involved with this. A couple of people are familiar with

this story. You're probably waiting in there saying, Jonathan Ben Sure, the CIA, the Air Force, but why aren't you talking about the people who actually built the planes. So you're talking about Lockheed hold On one. So Lockheed is a military contractor among other things, but they do a lot of work with the United States military, and so Lockheed was going to be the company that was largely responsible for building the planes that we're going to be tested

at Area fifty one. So when we get down to this point where the CIA is ready to find a site for this, they work with Lockheed And there is a designer at Lockeed who is absolutely famous in the spy world, Clarence Kelly Johnson. Yeah, it's you if you've heard some of the stories about this stuff. Is definitely famous in the spy world. But he is a I think we're a family show here, so I'll just say he is a gosh darn good designer. Absolutely. Yeah. As a matter of fact, he's the top dog at Lockey.

Jonathan earlier mentioned the YouTube spy playing that is our boy Kelly. Yeah. He also ended up largely defining skunk Works at Lockeed, and we've done an episode on Tech Stuff about skunk Works as well. Skunk Works now is just a general term that a lot of companies used to describe their secret R and D projects that aren't aren't meant for public consumption. This is stuff that is going to end up becoming part of products maybe five or ten years down the line, right, But that was

defined at Lockeed. That was the top secret development lab where anyone outside of that lab was not aware of what was going on, and even people within the lab may only be aware of very small parts of what is going on. So uh, with you two and unk works. Obviously, he had already kind of developed this reputation of being the go to guy when it comes to this kind of thing. So the CIA consulted with him as well

as some other military folks, and they started looking around. Now, Johnson had said that the facility needed to be remote enough to escape casual attention, so you couldn't have it close to any kind of metropolitan area or or settlement. Um it also had to be close enough to a major city so that you could get supplies for all the stuff you need in order to do the testing, the building and and all of that kind of stuff. Now, a lot of these vehicles were not actually constructed at

Area fifty one. They'd be built in another facility and then would be transported Area fifty one for all the testing. But even so, like you have to get all the food there, you have to you know, all the all the basic the fuel that you would need, you would have to have all of that shipped to Area fifty one in some way. So there were a lot of logistics involved, which meant that it had to be far enough away from a city to avoid UH notice, but not so far as to make it impossible to get

stuff there. It had to be inconvenient but not inaccessible. There's a Goldilocks zone here, Uh, sort of like in Star Trek where everybody's looking for an M class planet. That's a very good way of putting it. So as they were looking around, uh, there was a member on the search team named Colonel Osman Ritland who had actually trained at the gunnery school that had existed at Groom Lake, and so he said, hey, you know, there was this place that I had to work at when during World

War Two that might be worth checking out. And so they ended up going there and as soon as Johnson saw it, he said that that was the perfect spot. It would mean that they would have to do obviously a lot of work to make it ready for it to actually be a test facility, but he said, this, this meets all the requirements I had in mind. So he called it Paradise Ranch, right, which, uh, you have a great note about this, Yeah, it says, uh, it's a little more attractive than quote site at jay into

a former nuclear test area indo quote Uh. In fact, it wasn't even former, it was a current nuclear test area. There were times when the Atomic Energy Commission in later, the Nevada test site ended up having to uh evacuate Area fifty one because they were going to be doing some tests and it's possible that wind could carry radioactive particles over towards the facility. I mean, you win some,

you lose some, right, Yeah. So the other term you could have used is desolate hell whole, but that also not so attractive if you're trying to get uh civilians interested in helping out. So they actually did employ civilians to help construct a right, Yeah, from us surrounding Las Vegas area and from Rachel, Nevada as well. Yeah, and it meant it meant that people had to pass some pretty stringent background checks, and they had to sign silence oaths.

And for the most part, people have been really good at keeping those oaths. I mean, they're only been a few people who have ever talked about Area fifty one, which is pretty amazing because we talked about how it's really hard to keep secrets, especially in that that difficulty increases exponentially the more people involved with the secret. But in this in this part too, it's important for us to remember that even the people who had signed the

secrets didn't really have that much access for me. They were. They were limited by necessity, which meant that even first of all, if you were to communicate outside of area fifty one, it would very quickly become obvious who was talking because it would all be dependent upon what they knew. So if you were talking about stuff that you knew but you didn't know other things, that narrows down that list of suspects, and there could be some pretty serious penalties.

We're talking like scary, scary penalties that could go against you if you were to spell the beans and those people. Also, this is a side note, but I think this is a illustrative of the kind of scrutiny that these folks were under. Afterwards, The I R. S UH keeps a tab for on these people afterward to verify that they're not suddenly coming into inexplicable amounts of income, to make sure that they're not right. Even though if you, I mean, even though, if you think about it, man, those secrets

I'm air quoting so hard here, folks. Those secrets would be things like, um, I was paid to drive a truck from Rachel to this location drop off fuel right, and and I didn't you know there were three gates. I got into one or something like that. Um, and that's you know, that's for sake of example. I don't know if there was a number of tiered gates. Quote, don't come after us. We have not been there, nor

have we tried to look. Um. So the Yeah, during the lifetime of the the test site, which again bordered Are one, it was pretty active. They did a hundred and five above ground explosions and more than eight hundred underground explosions. They would do their last test in nine two, So this was kind of a just a fact of life at Area fifty one, is that nuclear testing was

going on. I mean several miles away. I don't want to give the implication that it was like just outside the gates, but it was certainly close enough for it to be concerned. Yeah. Because and also a lot of people are probably surprised to hear that that continued until nineteen two. So, you know, most people will place the end of the Cold War in the late eighties. But

this doesn't mean that the testing would stop completely. Because, uh, just as a Cold war has kind of a hazy conflict zone, it also has a hazy beginning and end. Whereas we can trace World War Two with some concrete dates, right, yeah, I mean, if nothing else, so you can go with the declaration of war and the treaties that ended it.

But when you get down to this, you also have the first acknowledgement that there was actually something there, which comes in a booklet that the Atomic Energy Commission put outs that was titled Background on Nevada Nuclear Tests, and it came out in nineteen fifty seven, and it mentions a facility at Groom Lake. But in that one it's called the Watertown Project and that it was meant to study the weather. And ladies and gentlemen remember that last

fact because it comes into play later. Right. In two episodes, we will cover the the weather part of the mythology of Area fifty one. It's interesting, though, because it gives you yet another name for this place. You know, I tend to call it Area fifty one when I mentioned it to other folks, I usually say Groom Lake because that's the official designation. But Area fifty one, being probably the popular term, is the one that I tend to

say in this in my notes here. Yeah, Area fifty one is sort of the street name for Groom Lake nickname,

but there's uh. I think one thing that we should talk about real quick is the nature of secrecy, because we we mentioned a little bit about how people who are helping, even in a small way, had things that are essentially gag orders for life, and again that this comes under the curtain of national security or the purview rather, and which gives the the acting government agencies tremendous powers

in pursuit of that goal. So one of the big questions is, you know, if Area fifty one was first publicly acknowledged they'll be under another name in nineteen fifty seven, then clearly the people at least in Rachel, Nevada, knew something was there, just like the people uh in the

town surrounding oak Ridge knew something was there. Yeah, And the fact that you had people commuting in from places like Las Vegas or from California who are flying in the struction crews who are coming in to build out the facility meant that there's some folks who know that something is going on. They may not know the full

extent of what the purposes. But it's what's really interesting is that a lot of the documents that have come out since then, most of them avoid naming the facility at all, or the name has been redacted, it's been blacked out. Um, And a lot of the information I've read has suggested that in the two or three times that it hasn't been that it's been in an official document, they think that it was an oversight that someone had failed to black it out exactly. Yeah, they were like,

do you have another sharpie? And no one's gonna be so. Yeah, it's funny that the only reason why we really have a lot of information on it at all is because it could just have been an oversight from someone who failed to mark that part out. Thank you for being in a hurry at work, uh, the Uncle Sam employees. But but with this idea about privacy, one of the big questions is, well, of course we know it's near Las Vegas, right, Las Vegas at this point already big

airport hub. Right, So so how do they keep these planes from figuring out what's going on? Yeah, they ended up creating a restricted air zone where not even military aircraft were allowed to pass through without authorization. And by authorization I usually mean that the military aircraft probably took off from Area fifty one went on some sort of test flight which could go outside the restricted airspace, but then we'd be allowed to come back in if it

were any other military flight. Let's say it's a training exercise from Nellis or something along those lines. They expressly were told they could not fly through this particular zone, which originally was five by nine nautical miles, which is about nine by seventeen kilometers, and the UH it went all the way up to space. So not the time.

Your commercial aircraft tended to fly at an altitude of around twenty feet, and your military aircraft might go up to forty feet, but we're talking spy planes that were designed to fly at sixty ft or higher. So these altitudes meant that, you know, you didn't want aircraft coming in and seeing something flying above them. They could actually

have a pretty good view of that. In fact, that did happen quite a few times, which lent UH some It ended up being not as big an issue because a lot of people assumed it was something otherworldly that they were seeing. Right. Yes, and this this is one of the big facts that later will later we'll see UM provides an explanation to some of this because at this time, for people surrounding the area right, who were

just you know, just your regular civilians. They would they would eventually turn to one another and say, what the heck is going on up there? Did you see that? Well, especially since a lot of these test flights took place at night, so instead of being able to actually see

an aircraft, all you see are the lights. And some of these aircraft were designed to travel at remarkable speeds, particularly compared against the state of the art aircraft in other fields, like a commercial aircraft could not hope to keep up with some of the Some of these were going mock three. I mean we're talking supersonic speeds here, and at that speed, seeing a light travel that quickly could be a real head scratcher if you didn't know that. In fact, this was a spy plane developed by the

United States government, right. And that's how these things, that's how these things can evolve. Just imagine if you will, and this is hypothetical and ex airline pilot saying well, I flew planes, or a World War Two veteran saying, you know, I was a pilot in the Pacific theater and there is no earthly craft that could do this. So that's where we see people making the leap and again in the absence of transparency, going with what they think is the I want to say, the most probable idea,

but really it's the most exciting and the coolest. Yeah. And it's one of those things where if you can't conceive of people being able to accomplish that, then what else could it be? Right? So it's one of those things where you think, I have never in my life traveled in a vehicle that is capable of moving at that speed. I don't know of anything that humans have built that could do it. Then you start saying, well, if humans didn't build it, who did? And then you

go to the little gray men or a little green men? Right, And it's weird because we you know, if I could do a little bit of a sidebar here, man. We see this kind of reasoning pop up throughout history, right, yeah. Yeah, Like no one could build the pyramids because look at how big they are. There's no way they have the technology. Therefore, aliens had to do it right exactly, And in a lot of times that situation wation is bound up in

assumptions about human potential. Absolutely, and we don't want to we don't want to take away from right, now the frankly astonishing and extraordinary things that human beings were doing at Groom Late. Yeah, the engineering was phenomenal. So that's relatively small restricted airspace I talked about. By nineteen sixty two when they started working on other projects besides the U two spy plane, which again wasn't developed at Groom Lake,

but it was. It was tested there quite a bit. Um. They would expand it to an area of twenty two by twenty nautical miles which is forty one by thirty seven kilometers, and it became known as Groom Box or just the box. That you were not allowed to enter the box unless you were expressly told to. So there were a few times where pilots might accidentally or perhaps cheekily skirt the box and we're told in no uncertain terms to get the heck out of it before they

might be fired upon. Yeah. Yeah, like be forced to the ground or fired upon. I mean, we're this serious business. So the first spy plane they started to really work on at Groom Lake after the U two was the A twelve. You're gonna get a lot of letters numbers in these episodes. Um, this was part of Project ox Cart. So in nineteen sixty two, the first A twelve spy plane arrives at Groom Lake and it wouldn't be until I think the following year that CIA pilots would actually

be able to fly it. So it had been at Groom Lake for about a year before it was being flown in tests. So it was meant to be a more capable spy plane than the U two. And it's major difference was that it traveled way faster, right, and this this was I mean, clearly there's an advantage there, but also uh, while it was traveling faster, it was reducing the footprint that it leaves on a radar. Yeah, so it is partly to try and find a way because the YouTube has very very wide wings, right, It's

it's very long and very wide. It's also from why I understand a true bear to fly like it's it's supposed to be one of the hardest planes to fly in land. Yeah. I like that you added and land. That's a really good point because it was built for the specs for which was built, and the expectations of this plane are in some ways contradictory to what makes

a good plane. Yeah, it made it possible to fly it at incredibly high altitudes, which was important for the spying purposes and also just to evade UM things like like missile fire. Although what was happening was missile technology was catching up to aircraft technology, which was again the reason why they had to start developing things like the A twelve. So the ox Cart program required the Groom Lake facility to expand and include more facilities just for

military and civilians alike. So it had to had to have more buildings, and that means you have to hire construction crews and figure out what you're gonna do. Uh. The A twelve also needed a longer and stronger runway than what was that Groom Lake, so they had to reinforce the existing UM runway and extend it out further or else this plane would not be able to take

off in land. So cleared construction workers, these are civilians, they would take exactly, they would take either a C forty seven out of Burbank, California, or a D eight

teen at a Las Vegas. So both of those planes were military transport aircraft, and uh, the secrecy around those aircraft fueled the rumors and suspicion about what was going on at Groom Lake for years, because you have these aircraft lining up at various airports and there'd be no designation, like you had to know about it in order to be able to get on it and be cleared for it, which meant that if you were paying attention, just as a commuter going through these air airports, you think, what's

going on over there? Yeah, there's no there's no indication of what's happening here. And they weren't flown back immediately either, right, They weren't doing this every day because that's just not

that's just not uh, you know, efficient. So what they had to do was build some some uh like sleeping facilities essentially trailers originally out at Groom Lake, and people would spend the week there and then over the At the end of the week they could fly back and go home, but for the duration of the week they would be at the facility, you know, pretty much cut off from the world, working on this stuff. And you have a great side note that I thought was fascinating.

This is something that I did not know. So you're talking about how in Nevada, if you work forty eight hours or longer in the state for any given project, you are required by law to have your name recorded, so that you would have to show up on a

state document somewhere. Well, the folks over Area fifty one, the CIA in particular, didn't really like that idea too much because in theory, if you got hold of that list and you made you cross reference and you figured out where everybody was from what companies they worked for, you could then start to figure out weight based upon what this company does. I have an idea of what's going on at this secret facility that they're going to uh in Nevada that you know. I know they're going

there because their names are showing up on the state list. So, again out of the concern for national security, they had to figure out a way, well, how do we keep people's names off this list, and how do we do it so it's legal, because if you start doing illegal things and that catches up to you, it's the same problem. So they say, ha ha, we found a loophole. It turns out that government workers were exempt from this forty

eight hour work rule in Nevada. If you work for the government, you did not have to have your name recorded. So e re single person who worked on that construction crew became listed as a government consultant. Everyone became a government consultant for the purposes of working at Area fifty one, which is a lot better than some of the alternatives, which would just be not having a job. But also it's very it's it's strange when you think about it,

because when we say construction, we also mean like the caterers. Yeah, absolutely, there are stories that that the food at Area fifty one was actually quite good. They said that they would fly down occasionally, uh a chef from Las Vegas who would cook, which means that someone like chefs in Las Vegas,

had to sign secrecy oaths so that they could go there. Now, granted, when you were when you were going there, you might have a lot of secrecy, not just the fact that you know you're flying on a plane that's not listed anywhere else where you're going. You might you might be put into a transport that has curtain is all along it, so you don't get a real view of what's going on. All the different buildings are essentially hidden from view from each other, so you're not gonna be able to look

in and see what people are working on. So it's it's really. I mean like there were times where people were acquired to stay in their office while an aircraft was being wheeled either in or out of a hangar because they weren't allowed to see that aircraft. Which again makes sense because in retrospect as paranoid as this sounds in retrospect, we know, uh a little bit about the extent of KGBS UH spine in the United States. Yeah, yeah, there have been KGBS KGB spies that have infiltrated the

CIA and the FBI. I mean yeah, the their their entire stories, fascinating stories about people who were able to do that, double agents and all this kind of stuff. And and with that in mind, you know, yeah, it sounds paranoid. But if you don't take these incredible precautions, you set yourself up. And now these precautions are oh I never get to do this catchphrase now more than ever, the the government was saying to various departments of the government.

Departments were saying to one another, we have to have this secrecy because business a groom Lake is booming. Yeah, they ended up uh for some of the buildings. You know, you're trying to you have a black budget, which it's hard to tell where that money is gonna go. A lot of ways. It appears to be a blank check. Yeah, but they were still being pretty careful. I mean, they

didn't just build state of the art facilities. It's not like if you were to go to Area fifty one, especially if you went to Area fifty one back in nine five or so, It's not like you were going to walk into a super awesome, state of the art facility. They bought surplus buildings from the Navy. They had Navy hangars and Navy surplus housing buildings that had been disassembled, packed into cargo planes, are on on trucks shipped out

to Groom Lake, and then reassembled on the site. So we're not talking like yeah, no, they were not cushy accommodations. So getting back to the ox Cart aircraft, I have an account of a test flight that explains how quick quickly this thing traveled and and sort of the extent of the test flight. So remember I said, these test aircraft weren't confined to that restricted airspace. They could actually leave that restricted airspace depending upon the actual requirements of

the test. So an impressive demonstration of the ox carts capability occurred on twenty one December nineteen sixty six, when lockeed test pilot Bill Parks, flew ten thousand statute miles in six hours. The aircraft left the test area in Nevada and flew northward over Yellowstone National Park, thence eastward

to Bismarck, North Dakota, and onto Duluth, Minnesota. It then turned south and passed Atlanta en route to Tampa, Florida, then northwest to Portland, Oregon, then southwest to Nevada again. The flight turned eastward, passing Denver and St. Louis, turning around at Knoxville, Tennessee. It passed Memphis in the home stretch back to Nevada. This flight established a record unapproachable by any other aircraft. It began at about the same time a typical government employee starts his work day and

ended two hours before his quitting time. So that's a pretty interesting tour of the United States right there. That was literally a whirlwind tour. Yeah. No, the fact that it goes to just about everywhere in the US besides the northeast right or the the you know, the not Alaska, Hawaii obviously, but yeah, it's pretty impressive. So during the whole history of the twelve, only thirteen were built, and out of those thirteen, four crashed in some sort of

case or another. Um So that was that it was ever meant to be this is going to be the replacement You two. It was more like we are going to test all of these technologies that we've developed with this plane and then see which ones work best, and that those will inform the design of what will become

the You two successor. Right. So one important part for us to remember about that is that this means and the four that crashed, as well as the thirteen total that we're built, the remaining nine are all going to be a little bit different, their variations on a theme with further improvements. Absolutely, yeah, it's not like they are

cookie cutter designs that are coming out of this. Now we've got a lot more to say about Area fifty one and what went on there, including some interesting early work in unmanned vehicles, and it might surprise you to learn how how early on in this process we're talking about. So I urge you to tune in for our next episode where we will continue this to discussion. Also, you should know that if you haven't already started to follow

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