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so don't write in. But when we talked about Windows eight, it was from whatever little information we could glean at the time, because we had not had any experience really using Windows eight, at least not much. I think we had. You had I think downloaded an early, early early build of Windows at to developer build. Yes, and that was all we had had a chance to play with. But since then we have had a chance to a with

the more or less full version of Windows eight. Now, granted, by the time this podcast goes out, Windows eight will have been released to the wild in the wild, to the wild wild people will be using Windows eight by the time this podcast goes live, But we're recording it the week before that happens. Ye, And uh, you know I am one of those people that I've learned sort of from past experience that maybe you don't want to stand in line for the brand new operating system the

first day it comes out. It might be better to see what happens and let them release an update before you go ahead and put it on there. Because it seems like there's and it doesn't seem to matter who it's coming from. This just computer operating systems in general.

It's agnostic as far as as operating systems go, in the sense that there's only there's so much testing you can do during the development of an operating system, but the the even the most rigorous testing uh environment is not going to be able to account for every single way people use their computers and the software they use

in the hardware they use. So often in the early days of any operating system being released, you'll hear problems about or people complain about problems like certain software doesn't seem to work with that operating system, or it doesn't seem to recognize particular types of hardware You plug it in and like the driver is missing, so you can't use this one particular kind of hardware like a microphone or mixer or that's the kind of stuff that I

always worry about. I was writing a paper for school, but I wanted to go ahead and install the new operating system, and now I can't print. Yeah, that can happen, so but but feeling that, I mean, that's just a problem that is that goes with the territory with any new operating system. We wanted to talk more about what makes Windows eight different, and uh, it's it's it's a

dramatic departure from previous versions of Windows. If you are familiar with the the way Windows tends to look, that's it's a graphic user interface and has been for a couple of decades now. Um it's uh, you know, you're you're used to things like the start button at the in the bottom, which was introduced what was that Windows ninety five or I remember it being in wind Okay. So it's been around for a while and it's gone now. So that's so long since I've used Windows three point

x that I write, I don't even remember what. I just remember all the tiles or or the icons rather tiles, but the icons that you would click on. So you know, Windows eight still has a desktop mode, although the start button has gone from it. UM, so if you were used to the start button, be prepared to lose it

right it's gone. But it also the probably the thing that's gotten the most attention is the the tiled interface that Windows eight has, the Windows eight interface that you can when you look at you just know this thing was made for touch screen devices. You look at and you're like, this is It's clear that these are the kind of icons where if this were a touch screen I would touch that part of the screen and the app would launch. Uh, And in fact that is the case.

It is designed so that will will work both with touch screen interface devices or displays and with the more traditional keyboard and mouse interface. UM, you can do either. I think it's with our our limited experience with it, I would say that I would imagine there's going to be quite a learning curve for people who adopt this, who are especially people who are really used to older

versions of Windows. It's going to take time to get to a familiarity with this oberating system where they feel they can navigate through it seamlessly, particularly if they're using a keyboard and mouse. It's not that it's impossible, it's not that Windows has made it uh ungainly or anything. It's just so different from what you knew before that it's going to take time to learn all those tricks

and it may be a little frustrating at first. Now, if you have a touch screen device or touch screen display, it's going to feel pretty natural because it's got this, like I said, this tiled approach to laying out all the apps, and you navigate the way I guess the way you navigate just about any touch screen interface. At this point, you touch the screen, you can drag your finger one way or the other and it moves the

tiles accordingly. And then by tapping on a tile, you open up the the app or feature or whatever it is. And so I mean it's very intuitive from a touch perspective, but using the mouse and keyboard, like I said, it's going to it's gonna take some time for people to

adjust to the different layout and the different navigation scheme. Yeah, the uh Microsoft really got into the navigation and how people are going to be using this, and they, um, it's clear that they were thinking about something that could be cross hardware. Um, you know, it could be used

on a computer, could be used on a mobile device. Um. And frankly, you know, if you look at the form factor of screens of all types, we've really gone, you know, towards the sixteen by nine ratio as opposed to the four by three, which four by three is like a standard definition TV when you're looking at it in the sixteen by nine is the um the way an HD TV looks. So it's you know, uh, longer, more rectangular, less square, more of a wide screen. Look. Yeah, and

I mean our phones look like that, tablets look like that. UM, computer monitors look like that. Laptops have have developed you know, according to that too, So uh it makes a lot more sense, um, to have the operating system be designed with that in mind. And UM, they've really um, you know, talking about the earlier release that we had a chance

to play with some quite some time ago. Now, UM, Microsoft has been really um outgoing about its efforts to woo the developers because you know, they do have a strong relationship with their developers. And um they's subtle, subtle, little references to a very popular video on YouTube, which is not so subtle. But no, they've they've they've really reached out and said, look, these are guidelines that we've uh that we've come up with usability guidelines, navigation guidelines.

We really think if you design your applications to work with this in mind, it will be a positive experience. And the the the apps that we had a chance to play around with really did you know, it wasn't seamless, but there was very little seam if you will, I mean, they really did fit in with the environment. Pardon me, wise backed the table with my n What's what's interesting also is that you know, bringing the world of mobile with the world of PC together is challenging on multiple fronts.

Um One, you have to design hardware that is capable of keeping up with like mobile hardware that's capable of keeping up with what we're used to from a PC, whether it's a laptop or desktop. You also have to factor in, well, the input for a tablet tends to be very different than the input for a computer, So how do we account for that. For apps that are designed for touch, there's no problem, you know, that's that's

designed with the tablet form factor in mind. But what about those desktop applications that are not designed for touch interface, at least not not primarily designed for touch interface? How do you get around that and it's it's Windows eight is a is goes a long way to trying to reckon style all of that. Now, we haven't had chance to really play with all the different stuff that we would normally use on a Windows machine. For example, Office,

which is you know, that's productivity software. And a lot of people know what Microsoft You know they've used Microsoft Office. It's word and Excel and power Point, things like that. Uh, I've used those quite a bit on computers with the mouse and keyboard combinations. I'm very familiar with that. I don't know what that would be like on a tablet if I did not have a peripheral devices because most tablets nowadays will support peripheral devices, whether it's through Bluetooth

or USB or whatever. But you can often connect to a tablet something like a keyboard and a mouse, or it will have a docking station where you can connect everything through the docking station to the tablet and it it becomes essentially like a very lightweight laptop computer. It's just that all the elements detached from each other. Um. Now in that case, you would I could see using those those uh, those pieces of software in essentially the same way you would if it were a true laptop

or PC. Without them, I'm not sure how I would use them. Uh. It's not to say that they're unusable. I just haven't had that experience. But that's one of the challenges that Microsoft faces with Windows eight and the design of an operating system that can work on both mobile and and PC platforms is how do you make sure that you you are catering to both audiences without

sacrificing too much for either one. Because if you cater too much on the tablet side, everyone who uses the desktop or laptop version of the the operating system is going to feel like things are too difficult to do in that form factor to just by that operating system, right, So balancing that is really tricky, and I think they did a pretty good job with it. We did practice navigating through Windows eight using only the mouse and keyboard, so even though we were we were using it on

a tablet. We had a tablet device that had Windows eight loaded on it that we tried to play with. By the way, I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you it was not the surface. I really want to play with a surface tablet, but I have not had that opportunity yet, at least as of the recording of this podcast. Who knows by the time between the wind is recorded when it launches, I'm gonna guess I still haven't really played with one, but unless there's a store

that happens to have one. Anyway, we we did navigate with just the keyboard and mouse, and it took some even for us. It took some time for us to kind of just even get the basics. But once we got the basis right, Okay, I understand how this works. Now. It's definitely one of those things where I'd have to train my brain to catch up to make this feel natural. But you know, we could definitely see how to get around whether or not it's easy enough for the average

user so that that level of frustration isn't overwhelming. I don't know it'll be. That will be a real test of the operating system. It'll especially once people if people want to go to the desktop to use some of the more robust programs, because as I understand it, things like the productivity software of Office would be in the desktop version of the view, not the Windows eight interface

version of the view. So if you wanted to open up Word, you would go into the desktop and then open it up that way, and you would, you know, do all your your work in there. And now they do have some uh they have an upcoming version of of Office that's going to incorporate touch commands as well

as your regular keyboard and mouse commands. But even then, I think it's all relegated to the if I may be wrong about this, but I think it's all relegated to the desktop version of the view of Microsoft date, not the interface, not the tiled interface. Um on. One thing that I'm sorry to all I was gonna say is that this should not be confused with there are two different versions of this tiled interface coming out. There's

Windows are T and there's Windows eight. And Windows are T is designed for mobile devices that are on the lower powered end of the spectrum. So these are ones that that tiled interface is what you get, and that's you know, it's it's mainly meant to to compete in the tablet market as we understand it today, so that being things like the iPad and Android tablets where they are running uh, simplified versions of software so that the software doesn't tend to be as robust as a full

PC program would be you know, they're there. They're more like the apps that we've become accustomed to over the last few years. Windows eight, the full version of Windows eight, is something that is running on higher end tablets as well as PCs and laptops. That would be uh, the one that has the desktop view and can run these more robust programs like Microsoft Office. Yeah, and UM yeah, that's that's a good point because they've kind of gone in the other direction to um to have some of

the elements of Microsoft Office bleed over into the operating system. UM. I don't know if you've noticed this or not been In opening a couple of the Windows just in Windows Explorer, I noticed that the ribbon interface from Office, which Jonathan loves so much, by the way, um, that appears at the top of the screen with all your little uh gadgets and gizmos a plenty. Um, and who's it some webs at skill Lore. Um. The that same in your faces appearing in other parts of Windows at least in there.

So people who are familiar with Office are going to be familiar with that part of the operating system as a whole, with that part of the interface as a whole. So I think I finally figured that ribbon thing out.

Now it's about time form you change with the Yeah, now that that is something that I feel a lot of empathy toward users who get frustrated with major changes in operating systems or any kind of software, because when you become accustomed to something and you really have streamlined your approach to using a particular piece of software, it does become a bit of a frustration when that changes so dramatically as to interrupt that flow. And I mean this is not this is not unique to Windows or

really to Microsoft at all. This is something that goes across all platforms, all software, all operating systems, really any product. When you get down to it, is that when you get used to the way something is and then get the new thing, that's even if it's demonstrably better than the old thing, if it's different enough you start to complain about, I can't find anything on this this because it's they've changed where everything is. Um So I'm not

immune to that. Yeah. Well, Apple has had the same thing going on too with um uh. One of the things, the example that popped into my mind was the recent change of the scroll direction with a scrolling mouse. We flipped it so that exactly so if you, you know, use your iPad and you now you you go through your email and then you go to your computer, you

don't scroll in the opposite direction. And people complained about that, and of course Apple made it possible for you to go into your your system preferences and it off and make it make it the traditional way. But people were

complaining about that thing. And you can you can tell, I mean the Windows ahead, I'm sorry it with Windows eight, with the the option for the more touchscreen oriented layout even on a computer, and uh, the mac os appearing more like iOS that that um computer and operating system manufacturers are seeing that the world's bleeding over into one another.

That you expect computer functionality from a tablet or a smartphone, and you expect navigation to work the same on on both, and beyond that that you expect to be able to work on the same stuff from one platform to the next in a in a seamless a way as possible.

So this brings in the whole idea of the cloud in there as well, so that when you are saving a project, whatever it may be, in whatever program you're thinking about that when you put down one piece of technology and pick up another, that you are able to go right back into that project uninterrupted as if you have been working on the same platform the entire time. Yeah,

that's that's a powerful experience. Anyone who has had that where they you know, something as simple as watching a video on Let's say you pull up a really long video, like a movie on your laptop and you're watching a bit of it, and then you have to take a bus ride somewhere, and it's a long bus ride, so you pull up your your phone and you get your your earbuds in because you're being nice and you're not listening to something so that the entire bus has to

hear you watch Independence Day you um, you pull it up in it and because you're using this this uh service that goes across multiple platforms, it pulls it up right where you left off when you were watching on the PC, and you continue watch again. Then you get home and you think, oh, well, I've got this set top box connected to my television and there's the last fifteen minutes the movie and I need to see uh Quaid go up and blow himself up inside the giant

spaceship spoiler alert. Um, then you know you can you can load that up. And because again it's a service that goes across these multiple platforms, it picks up right

where you left off on the phone. That's a great experience, and I mean that's that's the one that I think everyone uses as an example, like you're listening to music or you're watching a movie and you're able to move from one device to another and continue that experience as always shown as being completely seamless, which in reality never happens. There's always there's always buffering, there's there's lots of things

that go into that, but you know, the idea is there. Well, the same thing is true with these operating systems like Windows eight, where the idea is to try and have the mobile world and PC world together so that you can have an uninterrupted experience and whatever you're working in. So that way, if you need to pick up and go and you want to do some minor changes to something on a tablet that you had been working on

in a PC, you have that option and UH. And so that requires a very robe bust operating system that is UH that can be used in multiple form factors It's also true that in upcoming there there are more and more laptops and even desktop displays coming out they have touch screen functionality built into them. I do not own any of these. I don't have a touch screen display. I don't have a laptop with a touch screen monitor. But um, but imagine they're pretty pricey for for most

people at this point. Yeah, but they have been coming on. I mean, I remember seeing a few of them a couple of years ago at c E S, and I'm sure I'll see a lot more of them at the c E S. Uh. I don't know. It may very well be that the future of operating systems requires that kind of hardware to be optimal right for you to

get the most out of it. But again, the goal that Microsoft had was to treat create an operating system that, no matter what for M you were using UH to run the operating system on, you would be able to navigate through it as easily as possible. It's it's a

challenging thing because it's so fundamentally different, you know. I mean that was something that Apple really paid attention to in the development of the iPhone and the iPod Touch, and then later the iPad was that, how do we design a an operating system that is easy and intuitive? And uh, do we you know, how much attention do we pay to our uh computer version of that operating system, like do do we model it after a computer reversion?

And Apple's decision was to depart dramatically from the computer operating system. Uh. Microsoft's decision is more to create a an experience that can work across all of it, as opposed to let's do something specifically for this form factor and only this form factor. Yeah. Microsoft, of course is uh the still very much the operating system of choice

for businesses and very very popular among enterprise applications. Yeah, and I would I would say that it's likely that with the release of the new Office Suite and the the cross hardware capabilities of the operating system, they're they're planning on making a big push to be the operating system with Windows eight for the for the enterprise market,

you know. Plus with the hybrid computers coming out now, to the laptops that have a removable screen that turns into a tablet or they flip around with a slate, Yeah, they you know, these are intended to you know, to function in multiple modes and uh, you know previously the uh, the Lenovo that you saw at CES a couple of years to go, um the U one yeah, um, when you pulled the you know, the screen out and it became a tablet, it ran on Linux, it switched operating systems.

When it was in laptop form, it was running a version of Windows, and then you detached the screen and it would switch to a Linux based operating system. The idea trying again trying to maintain the seamless approach as much as possible, so that if you were working on something in Windows and then you detached the screen, it would open up a comparable application within Linux and try to continue that experience, which, as I'm sure you can all imagine, is not an easy thing to do, nor

was it completely successful. Right, Yeah, so tough. That's a tough thing. And then they changed it, I think with going to an Android based approach. I think in a later version it's still never made it to market in the United States. Yeah, but this but but having Windows eight be able to uh uh you know, function in either mode, it's going to make that a lot more possible, and they'll be able to make that push and I think you're you're going to see developers working on more

productivity uh stuff. That's what you're going to see in the Windows Store earlier. And that's actually we hadn't talked about the Windows Store really, which is is going to be the marketplace for Windows apps, right. So, UM, to to find stuff, you would go to the Windows Store and they'll have it organized by category. They'll have it organized. Uh you can do searches things like that to find the stuff that you need to find. Uh. The app

development process is very well documented on Microsoft. You can find out lots of information if you are interested in building apps for the Windows eight platform. Um, they talk a lot about the fact that you know, Chris talked about this earlier. They Microsoft has done a lot of research on how people use tablets, and they can even

they share that research with developers. So if you're a developer and you want to create an app that has uh, you know it's you know, you've got a primary function for that app, as well as some others secondary or tertiary functions. Uh, you can look at that research and see, oh, this is how people use tablets, this is how they typically hold them. It makes most sense for me to put the primary feature of my app in this location because it will be the most convenient for the user.

You know. That's the kind of research Microsoft has done so that developers can take some of the guesswork out and not have to build out something tested, then totally redesign it and build it a different way if their first build doesn't seem to be you know, optimally laid out for the user. They have something called the grid, which is this. Uh. This, it's kind of a way of aligning your app. Like once you've design and that you can you can line it up so that is

attractive and effective. Uh and and then it will work well within the Windows eight operating system for the users. That is where Tron fights for the users into line.

Uh there's uh, yeah, there's yeah, there's a there's a lot of resources out there, and and like there's one that Chris and I looked at even about navigating, you know, how to how to design the navigation of your app, and it gave lots of high level approaches to you know, ways you could design your app so that the user can navigate through it and find what he or she wants. And I mean it's just obvious that they've tried to build as many resources for developers as possible so that

people can go out there and build great apps. And and and of course that's important. I mean, that's important for Microsoft if if for Windows eight to well, it needs to have really great apps to show off within its interface. You know, if if if all the apps that come out are just sort of half hearted attempts, that does

not reflect well on Windows eight. Even if the operatings Excuse me, but even if the operating system itself is uh, phenomenal, if the apps aren't any good, then that's what people are going to remember. So Microsoft's really gone out of the way to try and give developers a head start for creating things specifically for the Windows eight environment. Yeah, it's um. It's interesting to note too that the developing for the language could mean one of really kind of

a couple different things. Um. You could be using the traditional languages of computer programming like C plus plus um um and C sharp, and that's what I sort of think of when I think of programming. I'm thinking you're getting into that. But they also use a lot of web web languages to they're they're promoting the use of HTML five along with JavaScript and and CSS to complement the the h T M l UM, which of course you know is one of the rising methods of creating

web apps to these days. So you know, if you are a UM, if you are a web web developer, you may find yourself able to create apps for Windows eight as well. Right depending on what you needed to do, you may be having to get into. So let's say, let's say you have a website about movie news and rumors, and you've got this this website and you thought, well, what if we created an app where people could launch the app and read the top stories and breaking news

that kind of thing. Um, then you know, building that app in HTML five is probably going to be a lot easier for you. One you're already going to be familiar with HTML, but too you will be able to port over a lot of the content that you want to showcase in this app because it was built on HTML. So you don't have to convert anything, you don't have to build anything new in that sense, so a lot of your work has already done for you. And that's uh.

That's another thing about the resources. They do go into detail about what the different languages are and even give suggestions over you know, when to use each family of languages depending on your expertise and what you want your app to do. And clearly, someone who's building a game is going to be looking at languages very differently than someone who wants to port a web a web page experience into a web app experience. So uh yeah, And I mean the other thing was that Chris and I

were not web developers, and we don't. We've done some programming, but that was for me that was a long time ago. I don't remember the last time I actually sat down to program something. So the what I'm getting at is that the information that was laid out was very easily understandable for me, and that's from someone who has not done any programming in a very long time and has not kept up with it frankly. So um, that was something I appreciated, was the fact that it was easy

to understand. Yeah, just just just ask developers. The easier it is to program for a platform, you know, the more you know worthwhile, it seems if you have to go way out of your way to learn some obscure programming language just for this one operating system, especially for something that you know, you aren't. You can't be sure

what the success rate is going to be. Then that tends to make people shy away from developing, understandably, because you're you have a limited amount of time and resources to dedicate to this sort of stuff, so you wanna you want to aim for, um, the the best targets possible. UM. With Windows eight, it's still very early, so it's kind of hard to say what the success rate is going to be. I mean, Microsoft has had some some great

success in the operating system arena. I mean that that's a huge understatement, but they've also had some pretty well publicized missteps. Well yeah, and and this cough cough. Well, and of course they've they rectified a lot of that, but the initial release, right, The problem was that the initial release of Vista had enough problems in it, and it was a big enough change from previous versions of

Windows to really upset people. And even though Microsoft did address many, if not most, of those problems by the time that was in place, the damage had been done because that early response was so negative that to this day, Vista has that stigma attached to it, even though the later versions of the operating system were very different from

those first releases. So a lot of people skipped Visa entirely and waited for Windows seven before, or they stuck with Windows XP UM because they had heard so many bad things about Vista even you know, and by the time they had fixed it, it it was too late. Yeah, they Microsoft has a problem in a way because so

many people are sticking with XP even now. UM that even even with the success of Windows seven, I think I would go so far as to say that pretty much everything I've read about Windows seven is very positive. I've had positive experiences when I've used it, um and I like the operating system. But people say the same kinds of things about Windows XP because it just it just works. And then that that's you know, people are seeing that as a barrier to entry for Windows eight.

So if you've waited, you've skipped Vista, you've skipped Windows seven, and you say, oh, Windows eight looks kind of interesting, it's going to be much a much more dramatic change for you than it would be for somebody who's been

using Windows seven. Right, and and to keep this in perspective, one of the challenges of being the the choice operating system among enterprises is that when you update your operating system, you know that your customer base is not going to adopt it that quickly, at least not most of them, because it's a it's a big deal for a company to upgrade an operating system. I mean, especially if all the I T people in your your business are well trained on that operating system right there, just have to

get retrained on a new one. It's that's a lot of time, it's a lot of money. You have to you have to gain new knowledge because you have to know how to support the new operating system. You have to make sure that any of the mission critical software you runs is still operational on that new operating system. You may have some legacy software that you cannot port over to a new operating system. Well guess what this one this one program works in Windows three point one

and that's it. Well, that means we have to keep this machine running on Windows three point one because we have to have access to this um software. And in business, I went to just the other day, had a and I looked at it. It It was a Windows screen because that way was they were using a very specialized piece

of software. Right, So that's a big problem. And also just the logistics if you are if if you're running a large company and you've got a lot of employees and every employee has a computer, you know, rolling out that, you know, getting the licenses, and then rolling out the operating system to each of those machines. This is a process that tends to take quite some time per machine, or it can take quite some time per machine, depending

on the machine. Um, it's just it's it's you know, it's it's a lot more complicated than UH and average consumer saying, oh, that operating system looks really cool. I'm in the I'm in the the market for a new computer, so I'll just go out and buy one of those. That's a lot easier for us as consumers than it is for businesses. And with Microsoft having so much UH support in the enterprise realm, it's, um, you know, that's

that's one of the big challenges. You know. It's it's a great thing to say, like, you know, businesses depend on our operating system. That's a great story to tell, but it it presents a whole realm of challenges that aren't applicable to a company that's really just going after the average consumer. And one of those one of the recent changes for Windows eight two, one of the most I think interesting because it's well, for one thing, it's kind of fun um and at the same time sort

of an innovative security feature or intended security feature. Is the ability for your machine to recognize your face when you sit down in front of it. I mean, that's one of the things we talk about about the Xbox and connect. Hey it's you, which isn't really an issue when you're playing a game, your difficulty levels too easy. But uh, but when you are using your company's computer, you have proprietary information that they don't want to get out, and a photo of your face will work just as

well as your face. That's a problem. And Jonathan, I have just read a report that the facial recognition uh security software and Windows eight is a little uh insecure. Yeah, it might be one of those things where again, uh, a corporation may just end up disabling it or forbidding people from using that as a means of accessing the computer, so that instead you use a standard strong password in order to access it or whatever. Um you know, retinal scan fingerprints could happen. I use, I use, I use

a fingerprint scanner for one of my machines. Um, I'm not the one that I currently have in front of me,

that one I actually use a strong password for. But uh, they yeah, that's it's one of those things where, again, the certain features are built in I think for convenience, and it may work well for one segment of the market, that being consumers who are you know, just it's just their own personal machine and they're not you know, perhaps the the Uh, it's not as big a target for a hacker or someone else to to try and get access to it as opposed to a corporate machine that

might have some truly valuable information on it. Uh. I would say that that that facial recognition is made more for again the general consumer. Oh, I think so. But you know, if you were tempted to turn that on for your work computer, your I T professional may come by and shake kids her fist at you and say,

do not do that. That is against the rules. Um, there will have to be a rule for it, probably, But again, these are one of those things where new technology comes out gives us some some new ways of accessing our information. Sometimes they work great, and sometimes there are ways around that. So uh, it's it's to be expected. Yeah,

I think so. But but by and large I really liked having the opportunity to fiddle with it for a couple of hours just to see, you know, how how it's going to work, how the the interaction between the touch screens style interface versus the desktop style interface, UM would work. And it was. It was. It flowed pretty well. Yeah, and it was. It was really pretty. Oh, it's very pretty.

And and we were again we were using it on a tablet, so it was a tablet that did run both the desktop and the tiled version of Windows uh. And it was not difficult to navigate between the two um uh. But yeah, I mean, even even on a form factor like that, because most of us think of tablets as being significantly underpowered to compare to desktops or whatever.

It was a very very smooth UM experience, you know, transitioning from one to the other and navigating through the new user interface and and playing with the apps and stuff. It was. I enjoyed it, and I thought it was a very attractive UM design. I agree. I agree. Alright, cool, Well, I guess this wraps up our in depth look at what Windows eight is all about. Some of you probably have been using it for a while, we should ask you what you thought about it. So, hey, drop us

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