Rerun: TechStuff's Spooky Halloween Spectacular!

this would be a fun one. It originally published on Halloween, October thirty first, twenty to eighteen. It is titled tech Stuff's Spooky Halloween Spectacular and I hope you enjoy as I revisit an article from my old employer, House stuff Works ten scary modern technologies. Enjoy this classic episode of tech Stuff, and I'll have a new one for you on Wednesday.

what all that was about. And sooner or later, after you do a few years of a technology podcast, you start to run out of the fun stuff like that. So for this episode, I turned to the house Stuffworks website and I pulled up a classic article, which is also always a dangerous thing when you're talking technology. But this article is titled ten Scary modern Technologies. It was co written by David Russ and my former editor and

Tech Stuff co host Chris Pollette. So get ready for some tech that goes bump in the night, I guess. And actually, to be more serious, the technology I'm listing here does not fall into the supernatural or ghostly categories at all. The technology represents stuff that could be unsettling or at worst could cause massive enormous problem due to overreach or unintended consequences. So there are some serious intreges in here, even though I'm having a little bit of

fun with the presentation. So let us get started. Number ten on the list hollow sonics and the audio spotlight system. This is more in the creepy, unsettling vein technology that focuses sound. That's what this is all about. It's focusing sound into a narrow beam, which provides the opportunity for ultra targeted sound for stuff like advertising. It's not necessarily creepy,

but it's not necessarily welcome either. But imagine that you're walking through a store and just as you're passing in front of a certain store item, let's say it's cookie crisp cereal, and you start hearing a voice whispering to you, Hey, that cookie crisp looks pretty good. It might seem really weird, this little disembodied voice, And as soon as as you get past a certain point, you can't hear it anymore.

You just have this experience as you're going through the store, you keep hearing these targeted sounds in very narrow spots and as soon as you're out of those spots, you can't hear it. That sounds pretty creepy, right, Well, how does it work well? According to the company, the secret is in the size of the sound waves compared to

the size of the sound source. The company states that if you have a sound source that is much larger than the comparable size of the sound waves it's producing, you get more directionality out of your sound so you

can focus it more like a beam. So if you were to create loud speakers that are much much much larger than the sound waves they're producing, and sound waves can measure from a few inches up to several feet in size, you could direct those sound waves in a beam, more like a directional beam, rather than having them propagate

outward in all equal directions. But that would not work very well for something like targeted adzing, because you would have to have these enormous speakers perched behind the cheerios and that would be very distracting. So this company has gone with an approach that has these devices producing ultrasonic beams of sound. Ultrasonic sound waves are very very tiny. They're also normally imperceptible at least directly, they are imperceptible

to us. We cannot hear in this frequency. They do have a very strong directionality as a result of the way they are generated. So, according to the company, as the ultrasonic beam travels through the air, the inherent properties of the air cause the ultrasound to change shape in a predictable way. This gives rise to frequency components in the audible band which can be accurately predicted and therefore precisely controlled. By generating the correct ultrasonic signal, we can

create within the air itself any sound desired. So, in other words, it's the interaction of these ultrasonic frequencies with the air itself that causes the ultrasonic frequencies to change, and then you produce these audible frequencies. And because this is all very controllable in a predictable environment, you can produce whatever sounds you want. This is based off the work of an inventor named Woody Norris. He demonstrated this technology at a TED talk in the early two thousands.

Rather than generating the audible sound on the face of the speaker as a traditional speaker would, where the speaker is moving, a diaphragm in and out, and pushing air around the ultrasonic emitter creates a column of the air itself to act like a speaker, which is pretty nifty. I'm sorry, I meant spooky number nine. DNA hacking. So back in two thousand and three, scientists finished mapping out the human genome. But that was obviously just the beginning.

have traits that we considered to be superior. Now that's the stuff of lots of science fiction and horror cautionary tales. Stuff like Gatica saying yeah, but who gets to decide what is superior and what happens to people who aren't able to take advantage of that technology, and what happens to the people who do take advantage of that technology. There are a lot of ethical questions around it. However, beyond that, there are other scary things to consider. DNA

hacking could allow for individually focused biological warfare. So imagine that you're living in a world and someone can get access to your DNA. Maybe they get a skin sample or some hair or something. They're able to get something from you that has traces of your DNA in it, and they're able to analyze your DNA and see what makes you you and look for any vulnerabilities. Maybe they find out that you have a predisposed weakness to a particular type of virus, and then they engineer a virus

to attack you specifically. That was actually the premise of a twenty twelve article in the Atlantic, and that article hypothesized a future in which the president of the United States could be targeted and assassinated through the use of a particularly nasty virus that was tailor made for the president. Yikes or imagine more than that, maybe a widespread plague. Les Stephen King's the stand engineered through a deep understanding

of DNA paired with a really crappy containment strategy. So how realistic is all of that, Well, in a short term, it's probably not terribly realistic. It's certainly pausible, but not necessarily plausible. But it does require a deep understanding of DNA and a means to manipulate it easily in order to pay it off. We've seen some advances in those areas. There are a lot more ways that we can manipulate DNA than there used to be, but it's not exactly easy to do. It's easy, yer, but that's a matter

of degrees. However, you can make a convincing argument that it would not require too deep and understanding to cause real harm unintentionally, and that would be a very difficult argument to counter. And while DNA hacking could produce all sorts of different futuristic results, we do already have a culture of biohackers also sometimes known as grinders, who have taken body alteration to new places. These folks are not working on a DNA level. They're not changing themselves fundamentally

in that way. Instead they're doing alterations, you know, upgrades. So one example would be there are people who have chosen to have small magnets implanted under the skin of their fingertips. So these little nubby magnets sticking out on their fingertips. It's kind of weird, right, Well, what's the purpose of that. Well, because of the effects of magnetism and electromagnetism, they would actually be able to sense when they were near magnetic or electromagnetic fields. So it'd be

kind of like Spider Man's spidy sense. They'd feel tugging on their fingertips as they pass through it. So instead of detecting danger like Spider Man would, you'd be able to tell like whether or not electricity was flowing through a conductor, for example, because you could bring your fingers

close to that conductor. Maybe it's some wires. You bring a thing close and if you start feeling the pulses from an alternating magnetic field, a fluctuating magnetic field, that would tell you, oh, electricity, alternating current is flowing through here, because I can feel it in my fingertips. That would be something you normally would not be able to feel so you kind of have a sixth sense due to having these magnets implanted in your fingertips. And people have

actually done this. However, a word of caution. From what I understand, these operations are pretty painful. They usually are not done with anesthetic. There's not really a place you can go that's medically licensed to do this because it's not a standard medical procedure. As far as I know, there are no accredited medical facilities that do it. I think any doctor who did practice this would have the

danger of being barred from practice. So you're usually talking about entrepreneuring body modify cation specialists, you know, like piercers, who will do this kind of operation. And anytime you're talking about introducing something foreign to the body, you're also raising other risks like infection, so you've got to be super duper careful about that kind of thing. In other words, you're not gonna find me putting magnets under my fingertips

anytime soon. Number eight on the list cyber war who boy.

and that's terrifying. And before that report had even made the news, that was in twenty eighteen, security experts have for years been warning that Chinese hackers have been infiltrating American infrastructure. CNN reported on that back in twenty fourteen. So this is not exactly a new story. It's a continuing story that continues to be really problematic and concerning. So the infiltration part is a reality. We know for a fact hackers from other countries have infiltrated various systems.

There have been traces found of their activities, so we know that there have at least been people snooping around our systems. Whether or not they've installed anything to help shut stuff down as another matter, but they've definitely been there, and they appear to have been there from places like Russia and China. That does not automatically mean that the

infiltration was state directed. In other words that it was a government backed project, but that seems to be The general consensus is that these were lifely the activities of a state back group of hackers. What about shutting everything down? Is that realistic? Well, it could be more challenging to do, but not necessarily impossible. Many utilities have started installing self healing systems. A self healing system isn't quite as cool

as it sounds like. It's not like it's Wolverine in infrastructure form, but it does involve having a system that when it detects problems automatically tries to reroute services to get around those problems. So with a power grid, it might be if a smart power grid system detects that there's a short for some reason, or there's a break in connectivity at some point, it may try to reroute power to work around that as much as possible. That could help confound a cyber warfare attack a little bit.

At least it might mitigate the impact of an attack, though preventing one entirely maybe not. But then there are also attacks on other systems, not just power grids and water and gas, which are all scary enough. But there's the evidence that showed Russian hackers were targeting election systems in the United States leading up to the twenty sixteen elections. I talked about this in a recent episode of Tech Stuff, so I'm not going to go all the way through

it again. But the really insidious thing about those attacks is they don't even have to be super successful to be effective. If you can so doubt in the minds of a nation's citizens as to the validity of any given election, you have undermined the very foundation of that nation's government. A government that doesn't have the confidence of its population is on shaky ground and has to move more and more towards totalitarianism in order to maintain power.

If you don't have any confidence that your system works, then you don't have any confidence in your government at all. So cyber war is something that is continuing right now. It is actually happening. It is already in place. And obviously I've given examples of how the US has been the target of cyber warfare, but don't forget the US has engaged in it too. We're not, you know, the United States has not been just the poor victim in all these cases. The United States has certainly played a

hand in cyber warfare activities. One example would be Stuck's Net, the computer virus that was designed to sabotage uranium enrichment facilities in Iran. So this is not something that everyone else is doing and the United States is the victim. This is something that everyone is doing as much as they can and stepping it up as much as they can. Well, we have a lot more scary technology to talk about, but I need to have a sip of tea to comfort myself, so let's take a quick break to thank

our sponsor. Number seven is the technological singularity. Now, out of all the science fiction ideas I find particularly interesting, this one ranks near the top of them. The singularity refers to a general concept that could be brought about in several different ways, but from a very high level, the idea goes something like this. Imagine that technology has advanced to the point that the newest stuff coming out

is already designing the next generation of stuff. And imagine that the gaps between these generations are getting smaller and smaller, and eventually you reach a point where the present is defined by constant change, and that's the only way you can define it, because things change so quickly. It is almost impossible to describe the present in any coherent way. That's how quickly everything is evolving. The thing that would fuel this would be the emergence of superhuman intelligence in

most of the scenarios that involve the technological singularity. However, that would not necessarily require just a computer AI. That's one possible version is pure artificial intelligen that has superhuman capabilities in processing information. This is your basic deep thought from Hitchicker's Guide to the Galaxy or Skynet from the

Terminator that scenario. This would be a scenario in which we humans have created an AI so powerful we are unable to control it, and then it goes on to redefine our world in ways that we could not anticipate because we cannot operate on the same level as this superhuman intelligence. But that is not necessarily the only pathway

to the technological singularity. Another way might be that humans find a way to boost our own intelligence, and thus we evolve beyond what we traditionally think of as being human. We might do this through a deeper understanding of biology.

We could boost our intelligence that way, going back to the concept of DNA hacking and things related to that, or it might involve using technology to create cyborg like beings where we merge with technology on some level and with tech and biology working together, we boost our intelligence to new level and achieve superhuman intelligence that way. So bottom line, is this a possibility, Well, it beats me. But there are a lot of super smart people who

are on either side of this issue. So some people say the singularity is essentially a foregone conclusion. It will happen, The only question is when will it happen. But there are other people who say there might be some fundamental barriers that were not likely to get over, and those

barriers will block the singularity from ever happening. One of the frequent criticisms of various singularity scenarios is that a lot of it rests on the belief that we're going to see progress continue on a pace that's similar to what Moore's law has observed with computer processing power, and the thing is that pace may not be realistic or sustainable,

or even applicable to some technologies. So Moore's law applies to the processing power of computers generally speaking, but it may not apply to other elements that would be necessary to bring about superhuman intelligence, because processing power by itself is not intelligence. You also have to have the software side. You've got a lot of other pieces that have to be in place. However, if it is possible, it could very well mean the end of the human race as

we know it today. Now that doesn't necessarily mean it's the end of humanity entirely. It just may mean that humanity will transition into something different, So it could be a new beginning. It's not necessarily the end of everything, but still spooky. Number six Google Glass, I mean that was the number on the article Google. You remember Google Glass, the augmented reality glasses. Back when Chris and Dave were working on this article, Google glass was still a real thing.

It was poised to become an actual consumer product outside of the relative small sample of bleeding edge adopters aka glass holes. We were sometimes called that because I was one of them. I had a pair of Google Glass. The glasses were part augmented reality headset, part user interface

for the world around you. They included a camera which could pull in information, and a bluetooth chips so the glasses could communicate with a paired mobile device, and through that mobile device, the glasses could also pair information like GPS coordinates, So these glasses, while giving you potentially incredible access to information about the world around you, could also gather information about the world around you for the benefit

of Google. And suddenly this company could potentially access information from cameras mounted on faces all over the world. And the glasses also had microphones, because you know, you could use voice commands to make your glasses do stuff. But that also meant that in theory, Google could listen in as well, not just see everything, but hear everything, which raises some big privacy concer not just for the people

wearing the glasses, but for everyone around those people. And Google makes money with information, so you would effectively be generating product for Google to sell by wearing a pair of those glasses and walking around everywhere. Google would be the head of a big surveillance state, far more invasive than a network of closed circuit cameras if such technology was used unethically. And while Google Glass is now far more limited in its rollout, you know you only see

it in a few industries. At this point, the company Google is still very much in the business of knowing where its customers are. In August twenty eighteen, numerous tech journals reported on a study that was conducted by Douglas C. Schmidt of Venderbilt University that say said that a stationary Android phone running Chrome in the background would ping Google servers with location data three hundred and forty times in

a twenty four hour period. Even if you turn the location history feature off of the phone, the phones were still sending location data back to Google, according to the study. Google, by the way, has disputed the findings of this study. Then there are the numerous personal assistant devices that are out there, including Google Home, that also are always listening for commands. And of course that's just Google. There are other companies out there, like Apple and Amazon that also

have technologies similar to these. All of these could be monitoring users and sending data back so that the companies might later exploit that information for profit, usually to sell you stuff to advertise directly to you. But that's still pretty creepy, right. Even if the companies are not actively exploiting that information, the fact that the data could be transmitted and recorded at all is problematic, though again I should say the companies generally say they do not record

user data in that way. So whew, that's a relief, right. Number five drones. Drones are legit creepy. Many drones have cameras mounted on them. That does allow potential filmmakers unprecedented access and capabilities. Now, a low budget film can have the equivalent of an expensive crane shot. It's a fraction of what it would cost to rent and operate a film crane with all the associated personnel, the safety features,

all that kind of stuff. You could reduce all that down to an operator and a drone and it would be much less expensive. But it also means a drone operator who's using one of these devices could use it to do stuff like peeping, super darn creepy, to be spying on neighbors and stuff. That's just the consumer technology version of drones that is already troubling. But then you have to remember there's also tons of military grade drones and they're being used to do everything from surveillance work

to active strikes on military targets. Weaponized drones, these drones may be semi autonomous or completely under the control of an operator who's potentially hundreds of miles away. They greatly extend the surveillance case abilities of various government agencies and divisions, from military to law enforcement. In the United States, Congress passed a bill in twenty twelve giving the Federal Aviation Administration or FAA, the authority to drop rules for commercial

and police drones in US airspace. The FAA hasn't been super fast to share that information. That prompted the Electronic Frontier Foundation or EFF to sue the FAA under the Freedom of Information Act to at least share a list of the public entities in private drone manufacturers that applied to fly drones in the United States, as well as thousands of pages related to license applications. But the FAA didn't, you know, explain how those entities were planning on using

the drones. So that's a problem. Number four three D printers. Well, I just recently talked about maker Bot, and maybe you think the scariest thing about three D printers is that they could lead to minor burns as you try to deal with melting plastic. In fact, there are other things

to worry about as well, like fake ATM facades. See back in twenty eleven, some thieves used a three D printer to create a false front for an ATM terminal, and they installed a skimmer on some ATMs, so unsuspecting customers would come up and it would look like a real ATM front that you couldn't necessarily tell immediately that there was a projection on there that was a false front. So they would put their their ATM card into this.

They would then type in their pin and meanwhile the skimmer was actually scanning the data on the card and recording it with the pen and allowing the thieves to steal more than four hundred thousand dollars in the process. And you know, all it took was a three D printer to create that convincing ATM facade. In twenty thirteen, a guy named Cody Wilson made headlines when he published five else for his three D printed Liberator handgun, which

fired three eighty ammunition. That scared a ton of people because it means that anyone who had access to a three D printer and the appropriate materials could have the opportunity to make an untraceable weapon. There'd be no background check required because you just print the thing out. And it also raised other possible problems if the plastic were

not of a sufficiently good enough quality. It could mean that the printed gun would not contain the explosive reaction properly when you fire the bullet, so it could end up breaking apart in a person's hand, causing injury to

the person holding the gun. So even if the person who had printed the three D gun did so as kind of just a proof of concept and they're firing at, you know, just a paper target, there's the possibility that the gun itself could explode or fracture as part of this if it weren't made out of sufficiently strong material, and severe injury could follow. Cody Wilson, I should add,

has recently been in the news again. He resigned his role as director of Defense Distributed, the company that he used to promote the design and distribution of three D principle gun files. It's unrelated to the gun side of things, so that organization still exists and continues to push Wilson's vision even without Wilson at the helm. I've got some more spooky things to talk about, but I grow tired, so I need the goal and drink some blood, and by blood, I mean oh grade t I'll be right

back after this word from our sponsors. Number three driverless cars. This is a.

Tesla has said that this system was not meant to be used as a driverless car solution, but people have still done it because you hear a word like autopilot and you want to test it out. I guess so that has been an issue. It has raised concerns that perhaps this autonomous car technology is nowhere near ready for full rollout, which I think most companies that are working on the technology would say is correct. They're still working

on the tech to make it a reality. There have been a lot of of a lot of stories published about various problems, philosophical problems that you need to resolve in order to make a consistent and predictable autonomous car solution, one of them being the infamous trolley problem. The basic version of the trolley problem is that you've got out of control trolley. It's going down some tracks, and there's a switch that will allow you to change the pathway

of the trolley. And if the trolley continues where it's path where it's going now, it's going to collide with a group of people. If you throw the switch, it will change the direction of the trolley and it will collide with one person. Do you throw the switch? If you do nothing, then maybe you feel like I'm not involved. Therefore my decision did not affect anybody. It just played out the way it was going to play out. If I throw the switch, is that I'm actively condemning that

other person to death? Other people would say no, by not choosing, you've actively chosen to condemn the first group to death. There are variations of this problem. Maybe you say, all right, well you've got a choice. You can not throw a switch, which means the out of control trolley will eventually come to a stop, but everyone in the trolley is going to die as a result of this accident. Or you can throw the switch and the trolley will hit somebody, but the trolley will stop and everyone who's

in the trolley will survive. So either you actively kill someone, but everyone in the trolley lives. Or you don't do anything and everyone in the trolley dies, but the person

who is just innocently crossing the pathway they live. These sort of ethical problems are things that people talk about and debate amongst themselves, but it turns out to be an actual practical problem when you're designing autonomous car systems, because eventually you have to build in some sort of decision making system for a car in the event that it encounters a non avoidable car accident, that all the problems have aligned in such a way that there is

no possible outcome in which there isn't a car accident. So what does the car do? Does it behave in a way that preserves the life of the person writing in the car? Does it behave in a way that preserves the life of the people in the surrounding area. There are a lot of tough questions to answer, so MIT published a paper from a quiz called the Moral Machine. This quiz was designed to find out what people thought should be given priority in these situations, and it was

distributed globally across social media platforms. They recorded forty million ethical decisions in total global preference had certain consistencies. By the way, generally speaking, people prefer to spare human lives over animal lives. So if you had an option where you can make a choice, but this animal will die as a result, or you can make it vo or that human will die, people would say, well, it's a shame,

but I'd rather choose where the animal dies. Also, people in general would choose to spare more lives rather than fewer lives. So in my example with the group of people versus the one person, more people would feel comfortable with the one person losing their life as opposed to the group of people. Also, people in general want to spare children's lives more than adult lives, So this really

just showed people's preferences and ethical decisions. However, the study authors stated that experts really should be the ones to make the final call when designing these algorithms, that just going by public preference alone may not be their best decision. However, another thing to remember is that in twenty sixteen, thirty seven thousand people died from car accidents. If driverless cars can reduce that number year by year, if we can find a way to make driverless cars more reliable so

that it reduces the overall number of fatal accidents. That would be an incredible thing and it would definitely be a good argument in support for autonomous cars. It is, however, that there possible that there's a psychological barrier of a machine quote unquote causing deaths, and that that could be enough to screw things up, because while you might be able to statistically state fewer people died because there were autonomous cars, the fact that the cars were autonomous and

then people died has a psychological effect. You're thinking, oh, it's a machine killing a person. Number two geoengineering, So this is the use of science and technology to quote unquote hack the planet. This is one of those ideas that's meant to help counteract problems like climate change. So the scientific consensus tells us, yes, there is climate change, and yes it is largely due to human causes, chiefly the increase of CO two in the atmosphere along with

other greenhouse gasses. So by creating technologies designed to capture and sequester carbon dioxide so that it's not in the atmosphere anymore, we could help slow or maybe even stop the process of climate change. But the thing is, we don't know for sure that some of these proposals would work or what the other consequences of those actions might be. One of the well, some of the proposed methods would definitely have nasty consequences.

ocean itself. You would create dead zones in the ocean because of this algae bloom, and that means messing up a really complicated ecosystem that lots of lifeforms to depend upon, including life forms that aren't you know, directly in the ocean, So you would have a ripple effect. Fittingly enough, since we're talking about water, you could have die offs happening other places in the world that are a result of this, and you know, not even places where there are oceans,

So unintended consequences could be really, really nasty. Another tactic besides trying to capture CO two is to find ways to reflect more of the Sun's energy back off into space without it getting absorbed by the Earth and then emitted back into the ris's atmosphere. The message here is that the cure could end up being worse or at least just as bad as the disease, though in a

different way. And ultimately we'd be taking a lot of potentially irreversible actions without a full appreciation of what was going to happen. However, if we employ these responsibly and carefully, it's likely that we could use them as part of an overall plan to help reduce climate change. Experts warn us that these are not magic bullets. These are not going to miraculously reverse the course that we've seen over

the last few decades. They would at best be a good additional strategy along with reducing our carbon dioxide emissions, that would be our most important action to take. We can't just assume that we're going to come up with a technological solution that will allow us to continue to behave the way we've been behaving and magically erase the consequences of those actions. That's just not a realistic outlook

at this point. Number one on the list from Chris and Dave was Internet surveillance, which kind of ties back into that Google problem I mentioned earlier, but it goes well beyond that. So Internet surveillance comes in all forms, right, the social media we use, when we do our actions

on there, all of that's getting tracked. All of that is going into various tech boxes based on our profiles, so that we are encountering the ads that are closest tied to our behavior, so that we have the most the most incentive to click on those ads or to act on them in some way, thus benefiting the company that makes the social platform as well as the company that's doing the advertising, and whatever company is ultimately in charge of the product or service that is being advertised.

So there's that there are companies like Google that are taking this to extremes, tracking all sorts of behaviors for all sorts of stuff, so that whenever we're doing searches, we're also getting served up search results that are catered to us more and more, which in some ways is good, you know, you're getting stuff that is more relevant to you, and in other ways comes across as super creepy because it means that there's this enormous corporation out there that

might know you better than you know yourself, and that's kind of worrisome. But then you have other things like the NSSA, which a couple of years ago is famously revealed that the NSSA was tapping into all sorts of different communication tools to spy on communications between lots of

different people in an effort to promote national security. But you could argue it was also a huge violation of people's expectation of privacy and that it also took almost a presumed guilty approach and applied it to absolutely everybody who uses these forms of communication, from cellular phones to

website traffic to all sorts of stuff. Then you have hackers, either state back to hackers who are working to spy on behalf of a government or independent hackers who are just trying to gather as much information as possible to exploit it. Maybe that information is your bank account, or maybe it's your social Security number, it could be all sorts of stuff, but ultimately they're doing it so they can make money and they have no real concern about

what happens to you and your information. Information is valuable, whether it's for a government to try and protect itself or the citizens that it represents. Ideally, we would like to at least se a government try to protect the people it represents. Maybe that's being naive, or if it's a you know, a corporation that's doing this in order to make a profit, or a hacker that's doing this in order to make a profit in an even more

unethical way than the corporations are. Information is valuable. It's also a good reminder of why you should do stuff like use VPNs when you can so that you can protect your activities from prying eyes and not have to worry quite so much about your every move being spied upon. Don't use public Wi fi, especially to do anything sensitive. You know, be careful, be responsible with your browsing activities so that you limit the ways that you can be exploited.

I'm not saying don't make use of these various platforms social media. I'd be a hypocrite if I did. I use them all the time. Just know what you're getting into and be aware of what could potentially happen. If you're comfortable with those consequences, I say, you're all good. If you're not, then you need to think about ways

you can change your behavior. Whether it's using VPNs or backing off on using the Internet as much, or whatever it may be, so that you feel you're using technology to benefit you as opposed to having other people receive a benefit because of you don't be used. In other words, now as I say that, I think you should also go to tea public dot com slash tech Stuff. We got a merchandise store. It's awesome. You can go buy stuff and every purchase helps the show. Again. Hypocrite, I know,

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