Extra Life, Video Games and Charity

for joining us. Our listeners are going to absolutely love this. I know they might not even be aware of this charity and it's an awesome, awesome thing. So the first question we have to jump into is what exactly is Extra Life. Extra Life is um basically just like a run, walk, or bike ride type fundraising event, except we sort of don't put so much emphasis on moving around. It's it's

about video games. So whereas one person might sign up and to run a long distance or to bike along distance, we ask gamers to send up and do what they love to do, and that is to game for a pretty significant period of time. It's a twenty four hour marathon at its core UM and you get friends and family to sponsor you, just like you would any other type of fundraising event. Now, UH, this has been something that I had heard about for a couple of years.

I actually participated last year and I'll I'll talk more about my experience towards the end of the show. And UH, I know that there are a lot of people who are getting involved in this and the the money that's raised benefits the Children's Miracle Network. Can you speak a little bit about what exactly that is uh. Semen Hospitals is basically one D and seventy children's hospitals in North America,

in the US and Canada. UM. We serve every child that comes through the door of our hospitals, regardless of their family's ability to pay an Extra Life is a

program of Salmon Hospitals UM. And so in two thousand and eight I found it Extra Life in my living room, along with help from some friends of mine and my wife UM and it quickly grew to where benefiting just one hospital was really no longer an option, and so two thousand ten I donated the intellectual property of Extra Life to Children's Veerticle Network Hospitals, and we had an agreement that they would help us to grow this and to reach more kids, and now we're able to benefit

a hundred and seventy children's hospitals. Um. There, it's basically, if you live in North America, there's one near you, and everything you raise as an Extra Life participant goes directly to that hospital to help kids. Now that's phenomenal, and so it's it's really for anyone in North America who can participate. It's not something that's uh, that's regionalized

at all in that case right now. That's but we do have some localized stuff that I can tell you about in our Guild program, which is a new initiative this year. Oh wow, yeah, I haven't heard anything about the Guild program. Yeah. Absolutely. Um. So just to touch based real quick on that, we actually have people from around the world participating in Extra Life. It's not just people in North America. UM. I mean, there's there's ways for them to play for some of our hospitals who

really do have a strong presence abroad as well. Um. But going back to the localness of the program here, we started something called the Extra Life Guild program, which is basically just a physical movement of the Extra Life program um taking place in local cities that already kind

of had that strong presence with Extra Life there. Um. So it's really just better and Extra lifers who who love what it's all about, who love gaming, whether it's video games, board games, yard games, whatever, um, they're on board with Extra Life and they and they want to help us spread the word. So they get together monthly and and just talk about local conventions or festivals or concert or movie releases that are coming up that they could go and and have a presence at and represent

their local Children's Miracle Network Hospital desolite cool. Yeah, We're We're in twenty five cities here in the United States and three up in Canada. And as Extra Life continues to grow, so will that program and will be launching more guilds and in a city near almost everybody. Now the a lot of a lot of Extra Life is centered around uh, the uh the idea of National Game Day. Although of course the people who are participating in this, you don't you don't have to tie yourself down to

any given date, but when is National Game Day? In two thousand fourteen, perfect questions. So our official game day for this year is gonna be October Saturday. Um, we're gonna be starting at eight am Central Time and going tell eight am on Sunday morning. You don't have to if you're I mean a lot of people, especially that's football season two. We understand m A lot of folks have issues that have worked day something comes up. Extra Life is really sort of an open source movement, meaning

you can do it the way you want to. Once you sign up, you can customize your fundraising and page and say, look, actually I'm doing it on on you know, the next Saturday, or I'm I'm gonna have I'm gonna do a different kind of spin on extra Life. There are a lot of people that are doing extra Life in ways that we never even imagined. Um, everything from bake sales to all kinds of other things. Uh So

it's it's really about making it your own. The core mechanic is, yeah, you signed up and on October you're part of like this this quietness in the streets that occurs as everyone stays in and plays their games. Um, but but really you can do it when you want to. Yeah, it's uh, it's it's fun because I remember last year, I think it fell on the end of daylight saving time,

so it ended up being twenty five hours. Let me tell you this year, but they we got a lot of pushback because that this year it's the day after Halloween and everyone was afraid they would not be able to participate after Halloween. I don't know. I love the idea of a bunch of gamers on Twitch wearing wearing costumes and subsisting mainly on candy as they're trying to play through. So, Jeremy, you you alluded to this a

little bit about the beginning of Extra Life. Can you go into more detail about about how this all got started. It's a really emotional story. Uh yeah, I mean yeah,

it's the story of Extra Life. Really kind of starts before a couple of years before Extra Life was even a concept, and that that was when I met a little girl in my radio career named Victoria Edmund and we were doing a radio fon for Texas Children's Hospital at the time, and each year around Christmas time, we would do this radio thon where we'd go in the

air and and we'd share these stories. And my job at the radio station was an audio production, and so I was responsible for recording these stories with these families and getting into the kids and helping us get all the materials we needed for the radio thon. And my first interview was with Victoria and Men and her family. Her name everybody calls her Tori, and Tori came bouncing into our studio at eleven years old or are actually at the time, I think maybe ten ten years old

and just comes be bopping in. She's considered a survivor of leukemia and life was good, and we had a great interview with them about all the things that the hospital did for them, and they went on their way

and had our radio thund that Christmas time. And then the next year, my I was getting ready to to do the radio THUUGHNT interviews and I saw her name come back up on my list and I noticed that I recognized her name, and I turned to the person from the hospital and said, this little girl, we actually talked to her last year. We already have an interview with her, and my friend at the hospital said, well,

this is a follow up story. And instead of bebopping into the studio, we were actually doing the interviews at the hospital this time. She came in in the hospital, gown in a wheelchair with no hair and very thin, hooked to a million machines, and uh, and I was floored the difference in the little girl that I saw just a year before, and and the little girl that

came rolling in was incredible and heartbreaking, frankly. And she hopped up out of her chair though, and and kind of shuffled over to me and gave me this big hog and said hi, and remember my name. I went by Doc on the radio, and that name still follows me a little bit to this day. And I just kind of decided that point that that that little girl was had just a special place in my heart. It

was supposed to be in my life. And so UM got to know her and her family over the course of their fight with leukemia, where she beat it again through a bone marrow transplant, and then it's very sadly got a call the following summer from her mom, who they had just gotten the news from a scan that the cancer in her blood had returned. And at this point the only thing they could do was one more bone marrow transplant, which had about a five percent chance

of working. In Tori decided she wanted to fight, and they all decided they'd fight with her, so she went into the hospital. Ended up being in the hospital UM for almost I think seven months. I think she got to go home a couple of times here and there, but always something flared up or something went wrong when she had to go home again. And during that period of time, I spent a lot of time hanging out with Tori in the hospital. We would play games together,

we would watch TV together. I'd give her mom a break since her mom was living practically at the hospital with her UM, so I would, you know, let mom go out and run errands and just get some coffee and decompressed a little bit and really got to know Tori and UM. I was running a video game website called Sarcastic Gamer at the time, and I put the word out to those gamers that I have this friend of mine. She's super cool. She's played every game that

they have in their PS two's here in the hospital. UM, does anybody have anything they're not using? And order games are done with and they wouldn't mind sending them over What was supposed to be, you know, a trickle of a couple of things to keep her occupied and up being an avalanche for this like outpouring of love from

the gaming community. We received things from all over the world and uh so much so Tori was actually having to offload the games to other kids because it was just too much bos just ridiculous how much stuff came in. And that was the sort of the first glints into the generous nature of gamers who I was one of. But at the same time, I still kind of had that stereotypical you know, like you judge gamers by some of the comments you read under articles, and you don't

get the best picture and so um. Later that year, tor Uh developed a fungal infection in her lungs as a result of her suppressed immune system. That was you know, the effort to get her ready for a bone marew transplant,

and um, she was still in the hospital. At the radio thon in December, I got got her on the on the radio and and did an interview with her and talked to her a little bit afterwards and asked her what she wanted for Christmas, and she said she just really wanted to go outside and see um Christmas lights, and I didn't and think about being able to accomplish that for her, because you know, she was so sick

and frail. But a nurse overheard us talking and actually just showed up with a huge pile of blankets, a really special wheelchair that had all the pump hook ups for her. Um got her parents permission, doctor signed off, and we rolled out into the Houston Medical Center at about ten o'clock nine and nine at night. And uh, we got a chance to look at Christmas lights together and just me and her walking around looking at lights, and rolled it back upstairs, took it to a room.

We stopped on the way up. We stopped back by the radio Thon area where there was this big Christmas tree, got our picture made there. And I'm actually sitting here with that picture right now. I know your listeners can't see it, but I have turned my camera on the skype here so you can see it. Um, but um, this is uh, this is Tory, you know, if you can see it very well. We had that picture made right there, and that picture is uh, it's always here

with me. Michael old Tests, I've actually brought it with me who are broadcast last year for Extra Life And and he sat in the front seat of my car with a seatbelt on it. Um and uh, and it's it's special to be for a lot of reasons. Not only is it has Tory had an immense impact in my life, but that specific picture is important because that was the last time that I ever got to see her.

So Tori died right after the New Year. And UM, grief does some things, and sometimes it renders you, you know, unable to move or finger talk, and then sometimes it just pisces you off and you just want to do something about what's happening you children who are sick, and kids like Tory and and and parents like Joel and her mom who have to be harry a thirteen year old kid, the fifteen year old child in the Tori's case, but I mean children and their parents who are going

through just horrible things. It's uh. It made me angry, and UM, I wanted to do something in Tori's memory. I wanted to keep her alive in some way, And so UM got together with my buddies and Sarcastic Gamer again. We put the word out and in two thousand eight

we launched Extra Life. In October and October fifteenth, two thousand eight, we raised a hundred twenty thousand dollars for the hospital that Tory was being treated at, a Texas Children's The next year we raised a hundred seventy thousand, and that sort of brings us up to where I was sharing with you about how um it's now see him in Hospitals program. We made the donation to see him in hospitals and they have been UM incredible. We we this has just been a fantastic program that's doubled

every year since then. So we went from uh four and fifty thousand and ten to a million dollars and eleven to two million and twelve to four million last year. UM all all because gamers are who they are. They're the most social people on the planet. They're just like everyone else. Mom's, dad's, aunts, uncle's, brothers and sisters, um, and almost everyone has been touched by a children's hospital

at some point. And and so we just find that it's a perfect fit between the people who are the big biggest kids at heart and the kids that we're here to. Sir, that's just such an incredible story and I think an amazing tribute to someone who sounds like she was an amazing person. UM and I'm very pleased to have played a very tiny role in that, so thank you for sharing that with us. And if someone wants to get involved, there are lots of different options.

So can we talk a little bit about some of the ways people can support Extra Life, whether they are supporting it as pledging for someone else or actually participating as a gamer. What are the different options? All right, I'll take that one. UM. So when you get involved with extra Life, you you can sign up and participate yourself, um as an individual, or you can even start your own team and get your buddies or co workers or family and friends involved. UM. And you can all kind

of participate an Extra Life under your team umbrella. UM. You know, if if maybe gaming isn't your thing, or or you want to do something else and and still contribute to somebody's Extra Life campaign. It's super easy to donate as well. You can just go to the website and search for a random player or somebody that you know, UM and just make a donation. There's also a way to just donate straight to that hospital as well. UM. So I mean, it's participating, it's spreading the word, it's

making that donation, it's making me ask. Um. There's just tons of different ways that you can you can help kids in your neighborhood, right. I. When I was creating it, I remember that you could make a you make an essentially a web page for your h for your participation, and that keeps you informed as well as other people if they want to visit your web page to see

how well you are doing. Uh. And that was really helpful for me because I participated in a team, so I could see how I was doing compared to the rest of my team. And the team I joined was the largest of all the teams. It was the one that ended up raising the most money last year. It was the Rooster Teeth team. Uh. I'm a big fan of the Rooster Teeth guys. I've had Bernie Burns on the show before, Fantastic guy. Uh. And so I participated with them, and uh I came in number fifteen, so

not bad. Yeah, I was pretty pleased with myself. That's awesome. Well, no, that was fifteen out of the Rooster Teeth, not out of everybody, I should say that, because the Rooster Teeth raised about three thousand something like that. Yeah, total, So I was Um, I don't remember exactly how much. I just remember my rank was fifteen. I was so proud. Uh for a while I was beating Jack Potillo, who was the captain of the team, and that then I was Then Jack surpassed me and I had he just

passed you because he did the truffle shuffle. That's true, Uh so he The neat thing is, of course, like you were saying, gamers are very social, and so if you are a gamer out there and you have a gaming group that you like to play with, like people, maybe you have, you know, your old buddies from your old Halo to guild, then this is a great way to represent and join together and do something as a group and give back to a community in a really

meaningful way. It's one of those things that I thought it was a great way of leveraging that sense of community, and it gives gamers a feeling that the skill that they have, uh is meaningful. It's beyond being entertaining yourself for you know, schooling a nube. It's all about it's also about doing something that actually has a visible positive impact on the community at large. So I've immediately uh

latched onto this idea. I thought it was fantastic. So let's say we've got some folks out there in tech stuff land who want to end up joining in, they want to participate. Do you have any tips for people who want to try to go out and raise pledges, any best practices. We've seen a lot of really cool stuff happened. I think I mentioned a lady who did the bake sales. So she ran up on a hard time doing the online ask and she just didn't feel comfortable asking for money. And while we do have some

tips for that on on our website. UM, the what she did is she put out basically brownies that she made with a jar next where she worked, and you just kept it stocked with brownies all the time and just said, hey, put a donation in here for my extra life page, and uh, it's going to sit kids here in our area and take a brownie. And she raised a significant amount of money that way. UM, And there are folks out there that, um, we'll do some fun things that have nothing to do with the actual

gaming in order to get the donations. I personally, UH do a thing on my page where if you make a donation of a certain amount, then it I will sing a portion of a song for you on Facebook, I you know, streaming video and posted on your Facebook page. So, I mean there's a lot of different creative ways that people do this, but it's uh, it's really um, it's really kind of up to the creativity of the game.

I know Mike's seen a few things too. Yeah, I mean, especially with this guilt program, I gotta work with some of the most passionate extra lifers out there. Um And heck, I just saw somebody from Alabama reach out to their local daytime news and score an interview on there. And so he was able to tell the news lady about

everything that Extra Life is. You know, how he how he heard about it, how he got involved, you know, the bigger story of how it affects Children's Miracle Network hospitals across North America, and then at the very end plugged his own fundraising page. I mean, it was gold. It was It's a great way to rise up in the rankings. What's also cool is that Extra Life takes not just you know, it doesn't just help tap into

that game or culture. It feeds back into it. There are a lot of things about Extra Life, uh, that that are very closely tied to what it is to be a gamer today. For example, the website has achievements, so that really does tapp into that gamer psyche, those of us who desperately want to get every single achievement possible. And uh, I love that that is a part of something that can pop up on profiles. There's also if you participate, there's that you have the swag section as well,

so there's kind of almost like a crowdfunding approach. Um. So it's taking some of the great ideas I've seen used in other areas and really honing it for this experience, to make it enjoyable and fun for the people who are participating while still being meaningful. And that's one of the best. That's one of my favorite things about the approach you guys have taken. Thank you. Yeah, I mean those those achievement badges you're talking about, those are those

are brand new this year. We had heard that feedback from the community and those ideas coming. We're like, you know what, that's awesome, let's do it. Um, So we were able to add those achievements this year and and that swagon incentives page you're you're talking about, Um, that's something that's constantly changing. We're constantly bringing on new community partners who are offering kind of those community wide incentives

for those fundraising power ups right there. Um, So yeah, I mean we're very excited to see that grow and the impact that our partners are able to do just by saying, hey, we're gonna give you a three month trial if you raise fifty bucks for your local children's maric Labor Hospital. Um, it's just some really exciting stuff

going on. Yeah, this was something that as soon as I saw it, I thought, well, you know, you're you're you've got taking advantage of that huge achievement culture that you see on both the Xbox platform and the Steam platform. It's a it's a proven working model, and it's another cool way for the gamers to interact with one another and and have fun with this and uh and I really also enjoy how the groups kind of have this

friendly competition. Sometimes sometimes there's a little more smack talking between each other, but that that just ends up fueling even more support for the end goal. So it's one of those times where the smack talk actually is something I really recommend people participate in in a constructive way

because because I see the results and they're great. Um. Now, do you guys have any other like cool stories from past extra life events, things that stood out in your mind as really need examples of what people have done to really make this event their own. There's a lot of different sort of I guess deployments of extra life out there. Um. Like you said, I mean the folks at Rooster Teeth last year who did their their marathon

broadcasts were just incredible. And you've got you know, other partners like like game Spot who are planning I think a one hundred hour livestream this year, um, which is just unbelievable. Then you also and I we celebrate those things because obviously you know, those are loud voices that have a big impact. But I celebrate personally just as much the one guy who's got two guys watching him on Twitch, who's streaming his heart out and raising a ton of money, you know, by relative to how many

folks he's got watching. Um, I I like to see the difference in in there might be a difference in execution, and there might be a difference in sort of the impact based on you know, size and how many people listen to you or your friends with but it's so common, the passion is common. Their hearts are all just as convicted about doing something that's going to help kids in

their neighborhood. Um So, I mean there's a lot of different ways out there, but like we said, like I said before, the the end of the day, here, it's people doing really wonderful things while having a last uh. And there's so many different definitions of having a blast that are out there that we can be here all day long. Don't forget. Also, x let is not just

about video games. I mean, board games and tabletop gamers have have embraced us like crazy over the last couple of years and they've come in like like a boss um and and raise a ton of money. And some of our our new partners, Wizards of the Coast and uh Looney Labs have have stepped up on that front in a very big way to be extra life partners as well. You know, that's fantastic. I love that. Uh that that shows like Tabletop on the Geek and Sundry

Network have really brought that element of gaming. And again they they stress how gaming is a communal event and brings people together, whether you're competing against one another, or cooperating with each other to attain a specific goal. And uh, and and you're absolutely right. That's you know. I don't mean to be to narrowly defined it as video games, because any games really do work. As as for my own personal sperience, I thought I would I would entertain

our listeners by explaining what I did. Now. When I did mine, I didn't do it as Jonathan Strickland, host of tech Stuff. I did my own little thing because I wasn't sure how to frame it in the context of the podcast I do. I was just kind of joining in with the rooster Teeth folks. So my idea was, since it was a twenty five hour marathon, I was going to throw myself in the deep end and I was going to play Minecraft on PC for twenty five hours.

And for those those people who pledged to me, if you pledged at twenty five dollars, I would build you a tribute within the game. And if you pledge more than that, I would build you a tribute that was fitting compared to the pledge level that you made. And when I started, when I started getting pledges of two hundred dollars, I knew I was in trouble because it had to be eight times more exciting than the level.

So for the first twenty two hours of Minecraft, which I did stream on Twitch and I had, I had people watching, like maybe two or three people the entire time, So I'm one of those guys that Jeremy was talking about. There. For the first twenty two hours or so, people watched me just gathering all the different resources I needed, and then for the next two hours it was me building all the different tributes using the materials that would be

appropriate for each one. There was one guy who he ran a group of gamers who are known for griefing people on Minecraft, but he donated to me, and he said what his tribute needed to be was a house that I would then burn down and then put his gamer group name in Obsidian over the remains of the house, which I did, and uh yeah, so I mean I went all out. I built. I built. It was nicer than the house I had made for myself. My house

was a hole in the ground with a door. But I made a wooden house for these guys, built the name over it, and then set it on fire. And by that time I was pretty loopy. I think I was actually humming yakety Sacks from the old Benny Hill Show at that point, and then for the final hour, I just ran around the world that I had created because I had finished all the tributes and I had gone crazy, but it was I just want to point out to you the Minecraft has this thing called creative Mode.

You don't have to go mine material. That's true, that's true. But I was doing this in the spirit of really and I had never played the PC version of Minecraft. I was doing it specifically because I wanted it to be an effort. I want to go, You're having to like figure out the recipe. Yes, yes, god, I had

no idea. Yeah, I was asking twitch. I was saying, all right, seriously, just tell me what a shovel is, because because the the only time I had ever played was on the Xbox, which is Minecraft with training wheels. You know, that's they You don't need to know how to how to put the things in the right dimensions in order to make a a anything in Minecraft. On the Xbox, you just have to have the raw materials

and it does it itself. But on the PC you have to put them in the right configuration in order to make whatever it is you're making. And also I was making, I was anguished by decisions, thinking things like, well, I really need this diamond for the tribute, but I also have to mind obsidian, so I'm gonna have to

make a diamond pick axe. But but that was what was entertaining to the people who are watching me, and uh, and it also I thought really demonstrated that I was I was really dedicated to seeing this out and I did. I played the full twenty five hours, and um, it was an incredible experience. And I felt really like a great sense of reward from that, not just from raising the money, but from my participation and dedication to it. And I think that's another thing that you know, you

really can't you can't dismiss that. That's something that is a great feeling when you are participating in something larger than yourself and contributing to it. I really see that as a fulfilling activity, and so I highly recommend any of my tech stuff listeners out there to look into Extra Life see if you can participate, either by pledging for someone else or participating as a game of yourself and raising pledges. It is an amazing experience and you

can be part of the larger group. You can do things on your own, you can stream it live, whatever you want to do however you want to define it. But it's an amazing way to contribute and have a good time while doing it. That's awesome. Hats off to you for that. I'm you know, we were loopy and we had a very varietal extra life experience get doing our stream. We don't actually get to play a lot of games ourselves during that period of time. We're constantly

updating the community. Plus we had those DIDOS attacks last year occupied a lot of our mental and emotional energy. Um. But to play one game for twenty especially like Minecraft, that that is epic. That you did, that is amazing, So hats off to you. And you've given me some ideas for some pre extra life fundraising that I may do. If it's all right for me to borrow your tactic.

It is absolutely all right, I I think you know it was again, I was kind of taking that idea from the crowdfunding world of if I hit this level, this is the reward you get for supporting me, and so all of my rewards were within the realm of the game I was playing, and Minecraft just made it easy because it's it's something where you can build stuff within that game. There are other games that you could

do that. And obviously I asked my listeners what game I should play this year if I decided to do just a single game. And it looks like it looks like I'm gonna be leveling a character from level one too as high as I can get in Destiny. That's what it looks like. Yeah, I think that's that's that's a that's a strong thing, strong thing to go after for for that, and I think Destiny is gonna be a little more maybe energy infusing than Minecraft wasn't it

might be. Yeah, but now that now that you can no longer go to the Treasure Cave and just fire into a hole for two hours. Now they fixed that so we don't have to worry about that anymore. We just got a p S four this weekend this past weekend and Uh, I've played about eight minutes of Destiny and my son, uh and my other kids have been on the PS four the entire time. So I'm looking

forward to getting a chance at it myself soon. Yeah, it's a it's a really incredible experience if you can get a couple of other people joined up with you and really kind of tackle it the way it was meant to be played. It's one of those games where you really do need to kind of play it the way they intended it to. When you try and step outside of it, I think it's a little less rewarding. But you know that's that's ends to be how I play most games anyway. Once in a while I'll step

outside and just say what what happens? But uh, that doesn't always end well for me. Well, guys, thank you so much. This has been a great conversation, and again I highly recommend to my listeners check this out, look into it, learn more about it. There's tons of information on the website and uh, including all of the swag and incentives that we've talked about, their suggestions on how

to get things like corporate matching. It may be possible for you to participate that in this and your company or the people you work for might be able to match whatever you raise, which is another great idea, uh, something I highly recommend looking into. A lot of companies are happy to do that and are looking for opportunities to do that, so I recommend that as well. Is there anything else you guys would like to say before we sign on? Yeah, I mean I would just I

would encourage your listeners to make Extra Life their own. Um. Just, I was thinking about that question you asked us a

little bit while back about you know, creative ways. We've seen people kind of take Extra Life and run with it, and um, one that I wanted to share is people are turning Extra Life into kind of like a neighborhood block party where they are, you know, inviting their friends their neighbors over to their house and they're saying, hey, you know, come on over, here's my here's my laptop, make a donation to my page, and they just grill

out and they play games all the all day long. Um. I mean it's it's not necessarily they're all playing for the twenty four hours, but they'll do it and shifts so there's always somebody in the house playing a game. Um. Just you know, it's a it's a community activity like you were talking about, So so make it your own and run with it. That's fantastic, guys, Thank you again.

I can't thank you enough for jumping in and uh, I really look forward to seeing how much is raised this year, and keep in mind, listeners, again, this is one of those things where if you can't participate on the national Game Day, that's fine. You can totally do it on a different day. And keep in mind you don't have to push yourself to the breaking point either. Everyone understands that this is an event that's held for charity, and sure you you might need to put in some time,

but you can put that in. You can break that up. You don't have to do it all in twenty four hours if that's just not possible. The important thing here is that we are gamers who are grouped together supporting something larger than ourselves. And as long as we remember that, I think you know we take home the important lesson here.

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