Did John Titor travel through time?

melt my brain. You got that one, Okay? Good, Hey, we're gonna start it's your no, never mind, we're gonna We're gonna start this off with a little Facebook feedback. This comes from Kevin, who says podcast Idea, who is John Tyder, the time traveler from twenty six who posted on discussion boards back in two thousands, would love to hear you guys talk about him slash hoax slash time traveler. Well, Kevin,

you're gonna get your wish. But before we get to John, let's talk about about some other time traveling stories that hit the internet over Actually the ones I'm talking about hit recently. Yeah, I think that's why? Uh why John has been in the news or on people's minds lately. It's because of these other stories that have been in the news. Yeah, so there's a there's a website called Virtual Museum, and yes, Virtual Museum has a photo up of the reopening of the South Fork Bridge after flood

in November nineteen. Now, in this photo you'll see a whole bunch of typical nineteen forties style folks, mostly in you know, like the men are all in suits and the women are all in dresses, and they're all looking off to the opening of the bridge, the reopening of the bridge. Right in the towards the back of the group, in the middle is a fellow who does not look like he belongs with everybody else. So wait, wait, wait, wait does he have a red and white striped shirt

and a hat with it? Is not Waldo? Um, I keep looking for that guy. He never found it. He looks mortal. He looks more like a racer head than Waldo. Now he has he has medium to longish hair, but it's not like down, you know, it's not worn down. It's actually sticking up a bit. And he's got these sunglasses on that have these weird uh side panels on them, and he looks like he's wearing a sweater over a

silk screened T shirt. Okay, so it looks like, you know, he's dressed down and his hairstyles a little funky for the time period, and um, he just he doesn't look like he fits well. There were some people who said, is this is this a time traveler or was it photoshopped in? It had to be photoshopped in, right, it had to be. Uh. Upon closer examination, it did not look like it had been photoshopped in. It looked like

this guy literally was there at that time. However, upon even further examination, it was discovered this wasn't really a mystery that the the elements that that people identified as being from out of that time we're not actually uh anachronisms. Uh. The glasses, for example, were these these hinged glasses that had these little side panels on sunglasses that had been

around since the twenties. And uh, he was obviously holding a camera as well, and it looked like it was a period camera, like one camera that would have been around. In the sweater was not really out of place, and even the shirt upon closer examination, looked like one of the kind of handmade shirts that uh that people made at the time too, for various sports teams like a college sports team or a high school sports team. So upon further discussion, it appears that this guy was just

you know, he's just a guy of his time. It's just he was not dressed up like everyone else. He was more of a student slash artist kind of type. Yeah, well before hippies, but yes, yes, the the precursor to the hippie. So clearly I would have hated this person. But the hippies and hipsters, man, don't get me started anyway. So the the In fact, I had a friend who who suggested that the camera was a Brownie Special one seven.

Really yeah, it's kind of crazy that someone was able to identify that just by this, and the picture does not show the guy holding the camera prominently. He's actually it's got it's right around his stomach level, so it's just barely in frame. But she picked that out pretty quickly.

Way to go rifka, So um, yeah, it's it's That was one of those moments where there were enough things in the picture that looked a little weird to make people say, oh, this has got to be Uh, this can't be from that time, but it just really shows that we're far enough out of that time amera to not be able to see what does and doesn't belong.

That's funny too, because it wasn't but a few days ago as of the date we are recording this in early November, um, when Charlie Chaplin was accused of capturing a time traveler on film. Yeah, it's just the sort of thing that little jerk would have done. That's why I like you, Buster Keaton. You never would pull those shenanigans. I really don't know that. Yeah, I know, but yeah, okay, No, it's from the circus. It was drawn to our attention

by Irish filmmaker George Clark. Yes, it's important to note this is a filmmaker who's making this big yeah his uh and in the YouTube video he uploaded a YouTube video. What happened was supposedly, um George as I like to call him, uh post, you guys are on the same you know, the first name basis there. Clearly he's an irishman. I've seen Ireland as I flew over it to England. Um So anyway, Georgia George, and he bought the these

collect this collection of Charlie Chaplin movies. Yeah, brought him home, started watching the extras on the various DVDs, and one of them had a newsreel from nineteen the premiere of the Circus. Yes. And during this news reel, Yes, the newsreel was showing the the the grand premiere at Man's

Chinese Theater. And uh. As part of this news reel, there's a moment where a fellow walks into frame, followed closely by a woman, uh, you know, kind of a a large ish woman in a big coat and a top hat walking behind the fellow, and she has her her hand that's facing the she's she's walking in profile to the camera. Essentially her hand that you can see. Yeah, the hand that you can see is held up to her face as if it's holding something like perhaps a phone,

but a cell phone. In nine that doesn't sound right, So clearly the answer must be she was a time traveler. At least that's the answer. George came to and he said it's the only one that makes sense because he didn't say it like that because he was irish. Um. Yes, he said he should showed it to a crowd of about a hundred people, and none of them could come

to any other conclusion. They didn't know clearly it was a hundred people who were smashed on Guinness, because I could think of a couple of different reasons off the top of my head. He actually did um, he did the the typical television uh thing that you do whenever you have any footage, zoom in and enhance, zoom in and enhance. So he zoomed in to try and get look and see what was going on here. And it kind of looks like she's holding something in her hand,

but it's I don't think it's really that obvious. It's it could simply be that she was literally scratching the side of her face. It does look at the end of the little clip, just as she goes out of frame, that she's saying something or her mouth at least is moving. Yes, yes, now uh. There have been, of course, many attempts now to explain what's going on part of them, and part of it has to do with the fact that she she or as Mr Clark suggests, it could be a

man wearing women's clothes. Um, whoever the person is is is actually speaking, which confuses the matter even more. Hang on, so it's a cross dressing time traveler. It's apparently that's is it Frankenfurger because he he could travel through space and time? Let's stop. Um. Possibly, but okay, So the first explanation, and one of the more plausible ones that

I've seen, is that it's a compact hand trumpet. And now, of course, lots of us, even our young for listeners, have probably seen the hand trumpets that people used to use before they were electrical hearing aids. Um. And these would have been used towards the end of the nineteenth century early part of the twentieth century. And um, it

is entirely possible. Actually, the the article I saw that tried to explain that was from Jeremy Sue who wrote for a Life science UM and he spoke with a with the historian named Philip Scrasca, who was an archivist at the Bernard Becker Medical Library at Washington University in St. Louis.

Or is those of us in competing schools column wash you very good school, um, But basically, you know, we're used to I'm used to thinking of the ones that they used to see in pictures like Beethoven, where it's a giant. It looks like you're holding the side of

a gramophone up to your head. You know that that uh you're thinking of Pete Dragon where the character holds the big Yeah, exactly exactly, but U and basically was like it was like a funnel that you'd hold up to your ear so maybe you could hear a little bit better. And I think it did you know it had some effect? Um no, no, it works. But but apparently there were compact models and some people think that

it may have been a very small version. And really, as a couple of commenters I saw online put it, you wouldn't want to carry one of these big things around with me you while you're walking. You want something that's small and light and portable. So that is a possible explanation. Well, and four years before that, premiere Semens Yes produce the A handheld hearing aid essentially is what it was. And um, yeah, they weren't the n ear models that you see now which are all but invisible. Yeah.

It was actually was a microphone amplifier and you held the amplifier side to your ear. The microphone side would stay out facing the world, and that's you know, you would hold it to your ear like the way we do with cell phones. And they were about the same size as cell phones are today, So it could and and like I said, four years earlier those have been introduced now they were expensive. But this is a lady

who's attending a film premiere in Hollywood. So clearly this is someone who has at least some means, right, not necessarily just not someone just walking on the street. She's dressed up, she's ready to go to the theater um.

So it could very easily be someone who has one of these hearing aids, and she may be talking in a way of testing it, you know, trying to make sure that it's working, like hello, Hello, to make sure that she can hear before she interacts with anyone else, or she's yammering to herself, which I do frequently so right, or as one other person I saw pointed out, so it could be as simple as the fact that her jaw ached and she was moving her jaw and she had her hand up to her face and nothing was

in the hand. Because the George says that's there's clearly something that's black inside her hand. Um, I don't see that quite as clearly as George does. I mean, and I was trying to be as objective as possible, because as soon as someone tells you that something is in a picture, it's really hard to not see it. Yeah, somebody was trying to, uh, to show where the the part of the ear trumpet would be where you put it in your ear canal and going I just don't

see that in here. The same sort of thing that where someone shows you a picture and said, do you see the face that's in here? And you're like uh, and then they point out the face and then you're like, oh, there it is, and then you cannot never not see it. Right. But if they were just to show you that picture and say do you see anything in here, and you might look for a while and saying no, I don't

see anything and there's nothing here. Um, well, so it could have been uh, a hearing aid, could have been nothing at all, could have been a little ear trumpet of some sort. Um. I like. My favorite part of the video, by the way, is when George says specifically, it's not an AM FM radio because it's night Oh, well, that makes sense. Clearly, it has to be a cell phone because it's nineteen twenty eight, it's the same thing. And and how does she get reception in nineteen twenty

eight with a cellphone when there are no cell phone towers? Yeah? That that is the biggest argument I've seen against it. There's some interdimensional temporal cellphone tower that she's connecting to. I'm I'm sure you've seen the The people who want to hold onto this their argument to that. If they've are society that hasn't invented something as sophisticated as a time machine, surely they could invent something with an antenna for cell phone communication that they would stick on the

outside of the time machine. Okay, I wonder if these people have ever heard of something called Acam's razor. What makes more sense that this lady exists in that time frame that's exactly when she's supposed to exist, because that's you know, she was born during that era and she's walking down the street holding an object that had been

built four years before was known to exist. Is it more likely that that's the answer, or that there was somehow someone developed time travel, traveled back in time use this cell phone, and was not smart enough to stay out of the range of a camera it's not like the camera was even secret they were filming the premier. Why, Like, if I'm a time traveler and I go back to an era that exists before cell phones, I'm not whipping the cell phone out at a very public event where

there are cameras around. Yeah, And that leads me to my favorite of the debunking attempts. Uh. Apparently some video producers will put things into footage in order to make them like a a non uh, a non obvious water mark. So for the way that maps will sometimes include a street that doesn't actually exist in order to prove that it's their I p yes. So what what some people have suggested, and very few people I might add, was

that this is literally an anomaly. It's supposed to make you notice it so that if somebody else copies the video, you remember our privacy, our privacy piracy. We've had both our piracy broadcast. If you're copying DVDs, they can say, yes, you took this, because see this anomalous person carrying a cell phone in was something that I added and made black and white. I would think that just the fact that they showed the same video proves that they copied

it because they had to get it from somewhere. That argument makes no sense to me. I just like that argument. Right, you could do so much better. You have disappointed me. Go to your rooms now. Most most people seem to be going with the semen's hearing any thing. So let's go on to uh John Titor yes or t tourds T I T O R. I never really was clear

on exactly how you're supposed to pronounce that name. Well, apparently it's not his real name, and I say it is because le because he's he theoretically exists now he lives in Florida. Right, well, he existed then he was two years old. But no, okay, let's let's start at the beginning. November two, two thousand, there was a web

form called the Time Travel Institute. Yes, and a person who referred to himself or herself, possibly as time Travel Underscore zero posted started to post on this forum, and then later Time Travel Underscores zero became John Titre or Titour. However you're supposed to pronounce that j JT JT said eventually that he had traveled from the year two thousand thirty six back in time. This was actually technically his second stop. His first stop was back in nineteen seventy six.

I want to say, um, sorry it was And uh. The re then why he was traveling back in time was in two thousand thirty six, they realized they were really close to a big event that was going to be a huge problem for their computer systems. That's, of course talking about two thousand thirty eight, which is a going to be an issue with Unix UM and uh, we actually talked about that in a previous episode. We

don't need to go into that again, but at any rate, Uh. Apparently, and by two thousand thirty six, the technology was lost to interface with these systems and to correct the problem that existed. So he was sent back in time to to get an IBM computer because that would allow him to go back to his original time of six and use that computer to fix the problem so that by

eight everything would run smoothly. Yes, apparently, the the IBM had some functions that weren't included in the original documentation for the machine, but had some bearing on what it is that he needed to solve. Yeah. In fact, some of that is what people who believe that JT really did come from the future say, Well, I mean, how would he know that could do these things if he

weren't from the future and hadn't discovered it. And the answer to that is, actually that information was really available. It just wasn't in the manual. But but computer engineers knew all about it. Yeah, so it wasn't like it's a documented thing, right, it actually does exist? Yes, Yes, the computer that JT was supposedly going back in time to retrieve did exist. Um, is a real thing, and

it could do the things JT said it could do. Uh. The the plart where the argument breaks down is some people said that those were secret and therefore j T must have been telling the truth. But that's not the case. Those those features were not secret, They just weren't widely

known outside of computer science circles. So that just means that j he could be a computer scientist when I what JT said he really was was, uh, he was an officer in the army or a soldier in the army who had been part of this sort of time travel core. And uh, I think there were eight or seven people other people besides him in his time travel unit, and each of the members had a time travel device machine that would allow them to go to different points

of time, and they each had their own assignments. His assignment was to go back and get this computer, and he pointed out that he could spend as much time as he wanted to in the past, because when he would go back to his present, it would appear as if he had only been gone for a couple of seconds, right like the machine would disappear, and that would immediately reappear as if no time it all had had taken place.

But in reality he had spent maybe years away, So really the only indication would be his apparent age once he stepped out of the time travel machine, which by the way, was it was a car that had the time travel actual device installed, and it had to be a car that had a really heavy um suspension so they could handle a lot of weight. It happened to be in nineteen sixty seven Chevrolet Corvette. If you're gonna

travel man doing in style DeLorean. But yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like I've heard this one before. It was a convertible too. It wasn't just a Chevrolet Corvette,

was a convertible. And he said that the way this time travel device worked was by manipulating gravity, and that it would actually create two micro singularities, which are essentially like black holes, so to miniature black holes, would spend them around and it would alter gravity, and that through creating this gravity lock system, it could travel through time and in subsequent messages because j T he he wrote stuff from late two thousand to early two thousand one. Yeah,

he actually held court for a while. He was answering people's questions about time travel and what the future was, like how easy it is to time travel, And that's how we know so much about this. It's they're like, we found him somewhere and there there there there are websites out there that will list all of his posts chronologically. Um. Yeah, so you can actually read the whole story, and it

is it's long. Yeah, he was prolific with his with his uh forum posts and that goes that goes against what you were saying about the person holding the cell phone in the Charlie Chaplin video. I mean, if I agree with you, if I were in possession of some future technology and trying to pass as somebody who belonged here, I wouldn't want to flaunt this. And he's going not not even you know, just casually using this, you know, future technology in a public place and and trying to

be ignored. He's actually flaunting it like this is what I got here on pictures and and that raises a lot of questions right there, like we're asking him, doesn't this make you worried that when you go back you're gonna get in trouble because you revealed yourself And he's like, why would I get in trouble? He wouldn't answer the question. There were certain questions that j T was very good at evading, and that was one of them. He would never directly answer that. He's just like, why would they

be mad? I don't know the fact that you revealed all this information? And you know, there were also times where he would suggest that, like he was, his message was really weird, and that sometimes he was talking about things like in a hope of preventing tragedy, he wanted to express certain information, but but in another post, just a little further down, he'd say, yeah, there's no way

to alter the future. So you have these contradictory statements saying like, oh, I want to try and head off this this huge disaster that's coming, and boy, you guys are gonna be sorry when it happens. And then he'd say, you know, there's no way to really avoid it because time is not elastic like that. Right. Well, I understand that he was a Now I admit I had never heard of of JT before um, this particular episode. But um, you know, I understand though that he was a believer

in the many worlds theory. Yeah, the Everett Wheeler Graham multiple world theory of quantum physics. Now, this theory in general is you've probably heard about parallel dimensions. Yes, that's essentially what this theory states is that there are an infinite number of parallel dimensions, and that, uh, some of these dimensions are almost almost identical to our own, right, Like the differences between the two are very tiny, and then of course the further away you get, the greater

the differences are. So you know, you could say, like, oh, well, you know, you go five degrees of separation in the South won the Civil War. You go ten degrees of separation and humans never evolved, you know, and then you go twenty and then Earth never even happened, Like, uh, that that's a very simple way of putting this, you know, and he actually said that he did not travel back to his own time period of two thousand. He traveled back to a parallel time period of two thousand UM.

And this was another thing that I found really confusing. He said that he could travel huh, you know, using

the gravity thing. They would they would try and determine, uh, the temporal divergence is what he called it, temporal divergence being like how far away from his world line He didn't use timeline, he called worldline um how far away he would venture and he said, try to keep it between one or two percent, and that you would be similar enough to your own timeline that things would be familiar to you and you could interact and you you know,

nothing would take you by surprise necessarily, Like there will be minor differences, like someone might have won the World Series in one reality and it would be the opposing team in another reality, or maybe it was the same team but I had totally different name and whatever, or maybe it was a nice way to pass off, you know, making predictions that don't come true. That's that was one of the things that really bugged me because it was one of those he wanted to be able to have

have it both ways, right. He wanted to be able to say, Hey, this is what's going to happen to you, guys. Okay, I'm telling you this is gonna happen in two thousand five. This was one of his predictions. In two thousand five, the United States is going to erupt in civil war, which will eventually pull the rest of the world into

a conflict. And ultimately this would result in a nuclear uh nuclear bomb exchange of you know, firing him at each other between Russia and the United States and other parts of the world, and then you would have this new United States that would be five separate into five major regions. And that was his reality, was that there were these five major regions. Most of the other world

is pretty much whited out. Europe is gone, and China's gone, and Russia's supposed is hurt really bad, and that the entire social structure has changed dramatically because of that, as you would imagine it would um and he would he was saying like, this stuff is gonna happen to you, but that's you know. He also would say like, oh, well, I can't tell you who's gonna win the World Series, because you know it might be different from when when it happened in my worldline, it's not gonna be the

same for yours. Well, how how can you determine which events are definitely gonna happen and which events are not going to necessarily happen the way you remember them from your world line? There was never any differentiation between those two. There are other problems as well. Um. For one, in two thousand five, we did not interrupt into civil war,

so that suggested that claim was rather inaccurate. Let's say, at least, um, he didn't predict anything like you would think, all right, it's two thousand when he appeared, and he disappeared by March two thousand one, and uh, and actually wrote a farewell post in March of two thousand one. There was another major event in the United States that happened in two thousand one, the World Trade Center tragedy,

the terrorist attack. He never mentioned that at all, And you would think, like, this was something that really shook America up and to some extent the rest of the world as well, but really America, no mention of that at all in his posts. You would think that that would be you know, even even a vague mentioned saying there's going to be a terrorist attack that happens this year that's going to do No, that would be the thing, like, that's going to be the domino effect that will set

the rest of these things in motion. But he didn't say that. So he did say some other things that did eventually come true, though, such as, yeah, yeah, he was only off by about nine years on that one. Yes, but they did imagine they did man do that. He said that the certain facility, which by that I assume he meant the Large Hadron Collider, would go online in two thousand one. As you know, that was a little

optimistic cerns. LHC did not go online until really it started going online around two thousand nine, and then kind of kicked into gear in two thousand ten once birds stopped dropping bread into it. I was going to say, if it weren't for that bird, um, but yeah, the the last Olympics being in two thousand four, Yeah, he was wrong about that one. Wrong. Now there's one statement that a lot of people point to as saying like, oh, well this is what about this? What about mad cow disease?

Because one thing that JT said was that he was scared of eating in the current time frame, because he knew that there were UM the the the way that ranchers were raising cattle and where we were getting food and all that we're from unsafe sources, and he didn't trust them. And he thought that people were crazy for um,

for eating the food, you know, without question. And he was saying that it was going to lead to this outbreak of UM what essentially ends up being mad cow disease, which happens, of course, you know, you may have heard about it when UM animals are fed feed that contained the dead of their own species, like that can. That's one way that gets transferred or transmitted, and then you can catch it that way by eating tainted food UM.

And he talked about that a lot and uh. And so people said, well, you know, later on, the mad cow outbreak actually happened. You know, it actually happened while he was still posting UM. And isn't that proof that he at least had some form of being able to, you know, to to see into the future. Not exactly UM. The disease he was specifically talking about was quite spelt Jacob disease or c j D, and it was already well known by two thousand. In fact, it was first

identified or it was first observed in nine four. I was accepted as a new disease in nine six. Uh. When I say accepted, I'm talking specifically about mad cow disease, which is a kind of a variant on c j D. C j D we knew about well before. So anyway, anyway, by six we knew about mad cow disease. That's not what we called it necessarily, and it was called a v c j D, which is a variant of kreitz Felt Yakob disease. So in other words, this was not

a secret. It's not like he was giving us information that we didn't already have access to. He was saying that it was more important than what people believed, and then it turned out that he was right. But we already we you know, we had already known about this for almost two decades. So I don't really come that. Are that great evidence to support the JT was actually from the future. Yeah, there, there's more evidence to the

contrary than there is for him. I fear. Yeah, the there people would have like very serious questions about the time travel techniques that he talked about, because some of it was based upon theoretical physics and uh, and so there there are theoretical physicists out there. Actually they're the physicists are real, but the science, the science is theoretical.

So sore, there are these these physicists out there who do think that there may be a way of being creating these shortcuts through time or between dimensions or whatever

using similar methods to what JT was saying. But when people would ask specifics, he would say, I'm not a physicist, so I can't really answer that question, which was weird because he could answer some physics questions in detail, and you think, wow, that's remarkable because he said that he was he grew up in central Florida, um that he had essentially joined the army by age fourteen, that he was either homeschooled or went to some university that had

been turned into a fort in Florida. So you wonder where did you learn the basics of the physics stuff you're talking about here that that are I mean, these are complicated quantum physics, uh concepts, and yet you you know, you can answer some of them very well and the

others you can't answer at all. It's kind of strange and I also wondered, how could he if if when you're traveling through time and it's all dependent upon gravity and you can only get the percentage to around one or two percent, that you're going to go to um are or you're going to a dimension that's gonna be only one or two percent degrees difference from your own, how do you get back? Like, how do you how do you travel back so you're at your back and

in what is legitimately your own world line. Yeah, he wasn't very good at answering that. Also. Another question I had was if if it's using gravity, like supposedly the device was measuring gravity around it traveling through time but not space, right, right? Yeah, they that's the difference in the DeLorean in the Corvette. In this case, the Corvette is basically just a shell. It's something for him to sit in. Well, then it happened, Well, the Dolorean also

would travel through time but not space. It's just that, uh, it is traveling through space, but it's not It's not like you could travel in time from California and then appear in Paris, right, you would go from California to California, would just be a different type right, Yes, the tartist can doctor who's tartists can travel through both time and space. This thing could supposedly travel only through time, not space. So the question people had was, wait a minute, how

is that even possible? Because the Earth isn't gonna be where it was when you traveled, Like you hit start and you're traveling back thirty years. Well, the Earth has is not in the same position as it was, you know when you left, so you would be appearing in the middle of space. Nothing nothing there if if it doesn't travel through space and only travels through time, and he said, that's a great question by so it would have been really good to get involved in that discussion.

I gotta go that was you know anyway. So my my vote is that JT was a hoax, that the person who was perpetuating the hoax did know at least, you know, had a ground interest in quantum physics more than a ground interest in computer science. I would say that the person who posted this probably was a computer scientist um, and that they also had some social commentary

that this person probably legitimately believed in. And this was this was like things like you guys got to be more vigilant about protecting the constitution, don't eat meat, that's you know, be careful about the where your food comes from. And like the warnings he were getting that he gave were um, good warnings. It's just that everything was fabricated, right, And like I said, the big predictions haven't panned out,

which kind of proves that. Now you could argue, well, in his parallel time, they did pan out that way, but that then you're just using an unfalsifiable argument, which is ridiculous. You can't. That's not a debate, that's just a way of making me go crazy. We all enjoy this. Then I read an article on of all places, tour dot com, which is really awesome for science fiction your fantasy. By the way, many of you probably know that he is our The website is uh decided for a major

science fiction fantasy publisher actually science fiction infinite. Yeah anyway, um, speculative fiction published there we go. I was trying to remember if they do both or if they split between tournforge anyway. Uh. Pablo Stefanini wrote a blog post in two thousand eight basically saying, Hey, the Olympics are over. I guess he was wrong. Um, that was the basic gist of it, but I mean that that really no, that's how he got started and went into a lot

of things including, uh, he mentioned Mike Lynch. Did you here. I haven't come across Mike Lynch. He's a private investigator. An Italian TV show hired him. I think I did. And they found the name of a lawyer named Larry Haber. Uh has a brother who has a brother, John Rick Haber, who has a computer expert and basically, uh, they came to the conclusion, or at least suggested that these two, the Haber brothers, may have actually come up with this

as a hoax. Um basically uh um, possibly as a means for an entertainment deal of some kind, because there have been uh subsequent books and things about JT. And somebody pointed out that, uh, Larry Haber lives in Celebration, Florida, which is a Disney community. I think that's probably coincidence. But it's another thing that the Walt Disney is frozen underneath his house, right and they're going to revive him and be healthy. No, he's just he's always just frozen. Okay,

I suppose that's possible. I don't think that's true. Either it's not true based on the factual stuff I've read, but you know, I wasn't there to witness it, so I can't confirm that. No. Um, so they this this private investigator concluded that the whole thing was made up by these guys. But uh, there's still this, this thing keeps going around the internet as these things are wont

to do. Yeah, and they're more. I mean, I saw one today about a guy who supposedly encountered his seventy year old self, like a guy in his in his thirties, while he was fixing the sink of all things. Uh, ended up meeting his seventy year old version of himself. And then they took a video using the guy's cell phone. And in the video you see these two guys, these these two bald guys standing out a Swedish fellow, uh,

standing out in the field. The sun is behind them, so the light sources behind them, so you can't make out details really well. And both of them show their their right arms and they have identical tattoos. I did it immediately raised questions for me. Light sources behind them, so you can't make out details very well. That suggests that this might not be on the up and up. I mean, why put the light source behind you if

you want to get proof of this. The tattoo on the older guy's arm, the seventy year old version looked just as fresh, if not fresher, than the young guys tattoo also raises some I happen to have a pair of tattoos, folks, and I can tell you over time they fade. And I don't imagine a seventy year old going out and saying, you know what, I need to

get my ink refreshed. Um. So I'm just saying that these time travel jokes and hoaxes and things are probably gonna keep ongoing as people find more and more clever ways of incorporating them. And of course, things like photo editing software and video editing software are getting cheaper and easier to use every year. So I would not be surprised to see some incredibly convincing yet still completely fictional

time travel stories in the in the future on the web. Yeah, even though uh, Einstein's theory of relativity does not rule out time travel apparently, not that I understand it very very well, um, but from what I understand the the physics behind JTS machine are unlikely to work well. Just the whole manipulating gravity thing at the very beginning makes it difficult to I said, the energy it would take to make that work would be at least at least

to nineteen sixty seven Chevrolet corvettes. Um. Actually what I saw was in MRS Yeah, a Mr Fusion UM. But the other thing is that apparently it's considered that a time machine cannot travel past the date of its own creation. So if it was actually built in and two thousand thirty four, one wonders if the parallel makes up for that though, because that's why he said the grandfather father paradox didn't apply, was because he was not in his own timeline. He was in a parallel timeline. I think

he's cheating. So he could go and kill himself if he wanted to, because he was two years old when he like his his his quote unquote real self would be too. He could have technically killed himself and still been fine because it was a parallel universe, not his own. Um. Yeah, that's how he gets around a lot of those things. I yeah, I called shenanigans. If you if you second my Shenanigans, Go get a broom and we will storm

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