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top of of what he does. And I've read about it and I've watched him and he has always just seemed to be so single minded and pursuing this like to be the elite of what he does. I mean, they were going to talk to him about that and find out how he got there and what it's like now that he's there. He was brilliant to talk to. He is how he comes across. So when you see interviews with him and all that kind of thing, you he seems like a great guy. Here's official confirmation for
the rest of this episode. He's a great guy. And I suppose Speaking of guys, sly guy Dave Elliott's here too. Please enjoy this episode of the Team With Me podcast with my guests Reese Mclennon, Olympic gold medalist and Dave Elliott, not Olympic gold medalist. Can I say some as we start? I was about to when you OK? Dave wears crossbody bags too and I've always criticised them for it. No. But but now I've seen it can look on the right but. Where do you see it's even
better? Because the only reason I'm wearing this, Yeah, that's because the Olympic medals in here. Well, that's cooler than when Dave wears it walking around Belfast, I've. Never done. Leonards Medal, 2002. Race and let's not take this clip out of context. Get it out, Yes. So you didn't, you didn't have a crossbody? But I didn't, I wasn't on them guys. But I've had some comments. They're like fucking going on, love violent. I love you walking into a shop and being like, do you have a
bag and keep it? You know, sort of the sort of bag you would keep an Olympic gold medal if you have them, you know, Olympic gold medal. How well you would do at the start of Love Island when you whip that on your life. Hold on. This is a great moment. I haven't really. What If this is so disrespectful, I'm really sorry. What do we think? It looks like he's one I. Don't know weightlifting? Yeah. I mean, not in the real
Olympics, I'd say. I don't want something in a different type of. It's very heavy. Wow, it's heavy as. Well. See, obviously a lot of people are like, oh, that's just presentation one that's legit. What? What is the real 1? I'm standing on the podium. What event does it look like I've won this 4 table? Tennis. Table I don't look like a table tennis guy Tennis is right tennis or like what do you think
you. You think because you're we've 400 metres like a creature, so you'd be, so you could see you like scaling a wall really quick. So you'd be one of those guys up the top that's. Not an Olympic. Support it is speed climbing. Oh. It's great speed climbing. Yes, speed climbing an Olympic sport. For God's sake, look at that. Have you had any like nervy moments with this? Like when have you give it to someone that nearly dropped it or have you lost it or?
Yeah, Well, the closest to it, I haven't dropped it, thankfully, but I gave it to somebody like I was opening up a needle store. Yes, I know. And they just grab it, feel the weight of that, Chuck it up and down in there. I was like. Whoa, whoa. Stop. Was it the sort of guy you would assume would catch it or no? No, definitely not even. Yeah, it was. I just jumped over the picture of my DAW being like. This is an Olympic gold medal. Yeah, pretty nice. Olympic gold medal Would you
like? Would you have hated to have won a silver? I wouldn't have hated it, but yeah, like there's a you're like, I wish I would have won. Olympic. Gold. I was going to get it done. You can do nothing with the rest of your life if you want, and you're an Olympic gold medalist. I know it's true. When you're ordering Chinese and stuff now, would you be like, hello, it's the Olympic gold medalist, Rich. McLennan. That's it exactly. All this look at you. I thought you meant like, can we go?
That is crazy. But see, in the moment that you were waiting, you looked like the coolest guy in the whole world. Like we were watching it. Yeah, going like, I know some of these guys are looking pretty decent. And obviously I'm not a master of scoring gymnastics, believe it or not, but I was like, oh, this guy looked pretty good. And then there's one guy who actually fell off at the this one. I thought he was doing really well and he looks idiot.
I don't. He went like I watching my kids. Yes. I love the idea of you sitting at home laughing at like Olympic gymnast, like, Oh my God, like, like armchair gym. That's fine. You like. I wouldn't have done that. Then I was saying stuff like, I didn't know it was the right thing. It's like recent legs. They're they're, they're together. They've they've not moved. He's got this here and Catherine's like, what do you know about?
It's like. Yeah, but like, you do know, like everyone, everyone's like, I don't know anything about gymnastics, but if you watch it, you're like, yeah, that's bad. Or like they made a mistake. If something looks like difficult, then it's like. I love it when people, you see people like get the metal put on and then they almost like touch without realising the, I don't know whether that's to make sure
it's real or whatever. But like you just see people get the metal put on and then it sort of sinks in. The Olympic gold medalist. And a lot of people just their hand goes to just to like. Yeah, it was when I felt like the waiter on my neck. I was like, Oh my God. Just like burst out into tears. Yeah, but of. Course, because that that that's the culmination of everything you've ever done. Yeah, it's true. And did you feel like it feels surreal like we do legs feel
like Jelly after and stuff? Like in some ways it did, in some ways it didn't. Like you look at it from 2 two different perspectives. Like from your younger self, you're like, holy shit, just won the Olympic Games. This is mad. And then from like your current self, you're like, well, of course, like this is like what I've been training for. This is the standard. I'm mad. I know that I'm the best in the world, but it is. It's mad to like finally do it
when it matters. I want a Belfast District scout event. What came second for Chuck on a welly boot? I was popping off that I can believe it. Like it was just a welly boot you. Just had a child's welly boot, right? So not even like a man's well. No, because it's difficult. Well, race. It's difficult to throw a man's welly boot, right? Because. Impressive. Yeah, but it's a lot of floppage.
OK, You've got the sole. If you're holding upside down, that is of course, you've got the soul here. And that's just a lot of just floppiness. Whereas child's Willy boot compact, yeah. So yeah, they just Chuck it across a hockey. Pitch. And you just channelled your years of being a bully. You're like this. I've experienced it. Yeah. Of someone shocked. It that's what was the first, what was the first phone call you made? Do you remember or someone you got on FaceTime or?
Well, like all my family were there in the arena, so it wasn't even like my family. I call, I think I called my like my best mate and my training partner as well. I've heard it's like, ah, like we're. All even staring at it. Yeah, that's do you sleep put? It on. And I told me, do you feel weird
at that thing? I was going to sleep with it on like that night but I put it on and like it even laughed like an indent in my chest and I was like I'm going to wake up and like cuts over my face and like a black eye. I love the win. Olympic Cool mail. I was thinking about this in the shower today. I was like, it's too late and I just come out and find a sport and just get well, I went yeah, fully.
Well, that Australian break dancer gives us all hope that maybe we can't win, but we could compete, we could get there. Then isn't rake on like the world champion at break dancing? I think he was doing some performance piece there, dressing in the cricket. Gear. Did you see her at any point? No, I didn't see her in person, but I was actually talking with a lot of like the rebel break dancers and the guy that won the Olympics as well and break dancing. They're not in the LA Olympics
anymore, by the way. They've caught the sport. It's done for her. It might have been it might have been like I don't want to speak for the whole sport. Yeah, like they might have just saw that. I mean, like this is bad for the Olympics one. But they were saying like, yes, she did actually qualify properly, right? But she she's not that good. Yeah. But you know what though? Like she is probably done more for her like Brand herself.
Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, she reckon she's making good money from it. Probably not like. For the next few months, yeah. What day? And then it's. Like when you come at. The same stuff like who's Penner showing up on a corporate event? Yes, nightclub appearances, uh, corporate events, all that kind of probably following you mentioned Love island following like someone who's been on Love Island DVD.
You rent that for a few months, you get what you can out of it and then King just like say, do a boohoo man club. Like, say we had this this today, and we'd be surprised for it. She's kangaroo hops in. That'd be great. Yeah. For you not. Do well, did you, the rest of the day when you won the gold medal, did you just walk about wearing it? No, Well, it was like the evening time that's the competition happened.
So it was straight away like going doing interviews, going up to, yeah, just doing a bunch of media interviews. So we don't even get time to like, think. Were you happy to do that, or could you have done without it? We just like. Yeah, like it would have been nice to like see my family and all straight after, but it's just like, so go, go, go. Well, first of all, you get the drug test. So the drug test, you have to go pee in a cup. And then after that you do all
the media stuff. And then after the media stuff, we went to like the Team Ireland house. And this is funny because like every other house, every, every nation has like a house, A-Team house. I don't know. Is that where you sleep or just like? A No. It's just like a base for like the fans to go for like the support staff to maybe like mingle a little bit and like the USA have this like gigantic mansion in the city of Paris. It's got like an Oakley store, like all the merch shops and
everything. Yeah, but what's the Ireland House? A pub? They have this and it's a really big pub, but it's this Irish pub just in the middle of in the middle of Paris. And that's where we went afterwards as well. Class. What was your first? Did you have a wee drink? Yeah, pint of Guinness. Oh, why was it good Or was it like? I've been drink since January 1st and there was like a mid pound of Guinness. Yeah. Just scoop straight from our river.
Two steps back away. I could see you being quite a good like fresh water swimmer. Because it looked like a manatee. It was an. Event that required you to float like the corpse game where you just pretend to be dead and I could last a long time but I don't know but like we we find it very nervous watching you and you look like the most can't do it ever. How was that once you're done whenever you're done your
routine. Did you know that it's going to take a lot to beat that in that moment and we just and then was there any moments you were watching a coin was a bit very scary. The judges might call this. Yeah. Is it better to be the first guy or the last guy? It doesn't like, it's hard to say because everyone's got their own strategy of like, do they watch the people in front of them?
For me personally, I don't, I don't like watch any anybody who's in front of me. Any scores that happens, it's hard to like avoid that as well because they're like announcing the scores over the speaker as well. But you try not to like process or think about it. You just like think about what you're doing because like anything other than what you're doing doesn't really matter. So like the reason you see me so calm, I guess is because I'm in this mindset of like, I don't care.
I don't care that this arena is filled with thousands of people or there's millions watching on TV and that it's like the biggest moment of my life. I just have to be under that mindset of like, I don't care. No, just like do it like I do in training. And whenever you were doing the walk up to the horse where you like nervous or you controlled yourself or was you like go time nard, it wasn't like I've done all I need to do. This is it. It's going to be what it's going to be.
Yeah. But a bit of that the ladder where like you just trust your preparation. You're just like trust all of the numbers that you've done in training and you don't need to do anything special in that moment is the is the main thing. You just need to do what you've done in training one more time. And that's like the confidence you get from good preparation, I guess. Would you like to hear my horse impression? I thought you were going to a pommel horse. So you're going to like go on your.
Handles. I did gymnastics, done Queens Hall in Hollywood from the ages of about 7. The seven like I didn't I didn't do more than a year and I was so shadow. I was so bad and they like my friends were going and they put me in the group with them, which is more than advanced group, but just so I could be with my friends and I I was I was just awful and I like if I can't get good at a sport quick, I just I lose all interest there. I can't I find it hard to like put don't even know I find it
hard to learn. So if I can't naturally do it, I. Find hard to learn. But I do if I can. If I can naturally do the thing and take to it easily, I'm interested. But it is like playing guitar. I tried to learn guitar after the first lesson when I couldn't play When You Say Nothing at All by Ronan Keaton, which what I which is what I was learning. As I'm never doing this again, I assumed I'd be able to just
play. You're going to hold around the guitar, your hands are touching the wood at the back. Would that give me an advantage in gymnastics? I heard the most recent pod and. What do you think? Can you tell by something? This funny one. No, it wasn't. It was it was a good one that you came up with. Thank you. You ever do gymnastics, David? Pardon. You ever do gymnastics? I've tried, but you know what? I'd be I'm surprisingly all right. I'd like flexibility. You can do the worm.
I'm a weird. Like, I'm strange, yeah. I don't look like I could do a lot of movement. But he did the nimble. The last time I saw him do the worm was in in Edinburgh at the Fringe Festival and it was it was this backpackers bar we used to go. To I was at his performance that was in the leaflets. We done carrier or something, but it was it was like a bars.
For me, the worst guy. It was a good night and Dave was with the leave to like, you know, go home or whatever, go into a different bar, go home pretty drunk and he run an all white T-shirt and on his way out of the bar he went watch this and he did the worm and like, you know, sticky pub floors. It was like it felt almost like a like, what would you say? Like a what's that floor? Laminate lino.
Lino was like a lino floor. It was stinking and Dave did the worm and you could hear every time he did it, it was like the floor was sticking to him. But he still did. And he bounced up and his T-shirt was stinking and everyone was just like, oh, why have you done that? See you later, folks. So he actually probably is better than me at gymnastics. But like one of my long like lasting school memories is I had, I had a PE teacher who he's a big man, but again, surprisingly nimble.
He's done a couple of classic things. And the one was when he argued me about my weight and his weight and how his weight could take on on like a step. He could do it because he wanted a part of the circuit. You do a squat jump on this step. And I was like, that's not going to take my way if I do a squat jump on this. And he goes, Dave, I'm 24 stone. What's this? He just jumped up land obliterated, completely obliterated. And then one of the days we were doing like, it must be like
first or second form. He had like wasn't a pommel horse but was like it to do the jump and he ran at it. And this is a guy probably like 6 foot 4 / 20 stone maybe at the time, mid 50s, early 60s. He ran and I swear the perfect form just over this thing into a forward role. And it was the most like Willy Wonka I think. How's this guy done? This, I guess, is his performance. That was unbelievable.
Can I, can I, can we ask questions of like guys who aren't Olympic athletes, haven't been to the Olympic Village, but like questions we really won't know. Like, for example, do you get loads of free stuff and what kind of free stuff do you get? Yeah. Yeah, we, we got. So you always got these like we care packages. When you arrive into the village, one of the main things is that new flip phone. What do you call it? Galaxy. Something I made him were thinking like a whisper.
Gold. No, no, no. You get like a, you get like a little bit flip phone. It's like the new newest Samsung or something, right? You just get it because then it's like free advertising from like all the Olympians in the world. So what else is in? To say water bottles, stuff like that. The phone's a big one. Yeah, yeah, you. Still got rubber johnnies. There was some, I didn't go out seeking them. Because you don't. Think I mean, I've got a
girlfriend, so you know, and. Don't think about who needs them. And of course, always be safe, guys. Always, always. And proud sponsor of this podcast. Dave, during sex, wears a helmet. To protect my brain and just also the last time we spoke about the Japanese beds with the beds better and. Oh yeah, no, the same beds. The cardboard Yeah, the. Exact same bed. Not get. I would think Olympic athletes would get top of the range NASA beds. I have a NASA bed.
You've got a NASA bed, which is something. When I bought the mattress, it was a label. Underground. Someone like me can be drawn in my advertising label with a NASA local and I don't know what it does, but I went we need that one. So I don't know because. Surely the actual purpose of a bed wouldn't even work in space? It said NASA. I go, I'm like, you can really feel this, but it's yeah, I would think use would have surely like the best beds in the world. It's it's all politics stuff.
I think so that they can recycle the beds after and be like a like eco friendly Olympic Games. Because there I mean there is a lot of, there is a lot of beds in that Olympic village obviously. I think there's maybe like 10,000 people in the village, so they don't want to like give really nice beds and then just have to like dismantle them or like Chuck them out so they bring your own bed. Could I? Theoretically, probably, yeah. I just never had that much I could see.
I could see the Americans doing that because. That's what I was going to say. Like I couldn't see like a LeBron James, no. But they don't stay in the village like. They all really, I thought you had to stay in the village. No, like I mean they're the big names will just stay in a nice hotel somewhere. But then do you think you'd have missed out on like, is the camaraderie and all part of it? Yeah, I think so.
I think for me, like I wouldn't want to like stay in a hotel because it just makes it like a normal competition then. Maybe you're too. Is there a danger of being like too comfortable almost or like? Well, one thing I would say is people, the people like talked to who did stay in hotels, they liked it because it felt like a normal competition, didn't feel like this big Olympic Games experience. So they just treated like a normal competition.
But then I think that the joy of the Olympics is being in that like, different environment, being in a village that is like purpose built for your sports. Yeah, being within like the city and the venues and feeling the buzz of the city. Did you go and watch any other events? Yeah, I went to see the athletics. The athletics is cool. Saw the like 200 metre final so that was pretty pretty nice to. See, I'd say Paris would have been brilliant during the Olympics.
Last time I was in Paris, me and Dave were doing a gig and we had time to go during the day and went to see Dunkirk, the movie, right? And just find it really emotional. And it kind of ruined our day a bit because we're just like, it's such a Harrow and tails. We're trying to do the gig, but we're like. But it wasn't even Dunkirkway. It was. In French. Dunkirkway. I was trying to read the subtitles, been really sad. I love. That Cuddy styles.
And then what we did, we just hopped on the train and just got off at like, like landmark stops. We popped. There's Notre Dame. All right, mate, hop back on. And so we could have just done that and enjoyed it. Yeah, but see Dunkirk instead. Yeah, I always avoid the cinemas when I travel to new places because. You've been a cinema anywhere. Yeah, as I got the animal French Festival. Want to see that twister or movie of a tornado?
Someone was really sad, but it was wait, everywhere we go we see sad movies. Tradition, though, we kind of too much happiness. Let's bring ourselves down. But that was that was a weird film. Yeah, someone's dad died or something. We were sad. And then like, we were so emotionally invested in the story when someone set the tornado on fire and it was just an inferno going around, we didn't even realise. This is absurd.
No, we're still just crying. And are you, how much when you're like in the, in the Olympic Village during the Olympics, how much are you kind of left to your own devices versus coaches or management or I don't even know what the term is? People come in like making sure you're, you know, sleeping at a certain like is it? Is it? It's up to you. Yeah, we're all adults, I guess. So it's kind of yeah. It's up to you to go to bed at the right time.
Yeah. I mean, I have one coach and he was out there at the Olympics with me. But then the other is the support staff and stuff, which is all helpful, but everyone's got the same goal of like get in your best performance. So it's anything like if somebody's trying to control you but too much or saying you need to do this and do that, then it's not the best interest of
the athlete really. Do you do people love it when you're walking around Paris and like the tracksuit, like the people just ask for photos sometimes, even if they don't know who the athlete is, they just want. Yeah, especially with the medal. Like, I could not take out the medal. Actually, I met up with Carl Frampton in Paris. He was out there doing a bit of
punditry, I think. And he sat, we sat down and had a coffee together and somebody was just like asking about the Olympics of me. And he was like, here take out the gold medal. Sure. I was like, right, because car farm was asked me to. I'll take it out. And then as soon as I've done that, like everybody from around that area in the street just like came over, right. A lot like different times.
And there was even like a few people that would like walk past like two or three times and then like get her his ask. But. Yeah. Out tracks. It was very white. I've been stressed. I haven't walked around Paris, not. Dirty you doing the worm? No second blue. But I would just love, like, to be decked out in the load of the gear like that. I think that's that's like, if I ever got to get to play like professional football for like Premier League team, I will love
that. Yeah. Like, I love the idea. I'm 36, all right? Underdogs. Look, Reese won't just one Olympic gold medal, right? Anything's part, you put the work in. Anything's possible. What? What age did you? Play for Bournemouth. No, no. Southampton. Who do you play for noise? I'm free agent, which gives me a real advantage because you know, clubs, if they have injuries, whatever, they can still bring me in. What I'm saying I would love to
sign, bless you. I would love to sign for a top sports team and then in my head they bring it to the megastore and it's closed to the public and they go get whatever you want. T-shirts, polos, lanyards, teddies, stationary bed clothes, you just have everything. Want freebies? That's it. I will say, like, I don't think I've bought an item of clothing for like the last three or four years. Are you sponsored by sports brand? Yes, I'm sponsored by Gym Plus Coffee.
I'm one of their like ambassadors, so that takes off. Can you get whatever you want? Umm, not whatever they want, but they just give me these like air drops of like a bunch of clothes. But I want you to be able. I want you. They have one in Victoria Square. Yes, yeah. I want you to be able to ring them your lipical medals and go, race is common, right? That's all you say? Yeah, race is common. They don't know when exactly, but they have to cease trading, right?
Flip the sign round at the front closed and then you walk in and you can just get whatever you want, like Supermarket Sweep. I would love that, Dave, if you could. Any store where you could be the ambassador and just get everything. What would this sounds like when you've stayed up for an hour too late? What would you like if you could? Pick and Spencer's the football and the clothes. Clothes. Yeah, just grapes and G lace. That's why I'd be happy, man, if you get.
But you you did a routine that it's like pretty hot when you got the jeans on and the jacket. Oh yeah, yeah. So that was the the cheap star advert. Yeah. Did you see that? Oh, I thought you meant this part of the Olympics. I was like. That would be a guy in the move, just in full double denim. Yeah. Did they give you loads of freak gear? Yeah, yeah. Brilliant. Yeah, bunch of bunch of jeans and whatnot. Are they going to ask you to do anything like more sexy?
Like drop the shirt. No, Well that that's great. Seems more like a one off advert that I've done. OK. But I'll look into it for. You, Calvin Klein, could be the next. One have you? You want my isn't. There. No way, you know, you know, trust me, he should not be in a position of power over you. Maybe Calvin Klein, I saw your EG star thing I was loving. Maybe the pants next. I'm gonna buy the G string. Whichever the new company love Honey, you might be interested
in some of their products. So let me ask you this. You've obviously had loads of offers since then at the endorsed product and that kind of thing has there. What percentage are you like thumbs up? What percentage you thumbs down? What do you mean? Like like have you had approaching me? Yeah, Have you had a lot of approach? We're like, oh, I, I wouldn't really want to be associated with that. That's not from like. You have to be quite selective what you do and don't do.
Yeah, you do, because you got it. Like if you're, this is an example, but if you say work with a bank, you can't work with like multiple banks then in that space. So you need to be sure that you're not stepping on people's feet or like a clothing brand, you can't then like sign with another clothing brand. So you just got to be selective in that way. So you need to make sure you're getting the best one.
Are you laughing at when we said you can't step in people's feet because you think you should have said toes or what? He. Laughed no I was laughing because we're start when he said that I thought well it's a joke to make but he's not gonna be on the feet because he's his feet are always up there. It's great for him, but I was also thinking about I could just imagine you signing the deal that that's goodbye sat down there back of Ireland and. Like, don't see the problem. Yeah.
What is the issue? Yeah. I've got a new saver and it's the great rate that's I just pictured you without any knowledge. What now do we say in the business? Do we say getting back on the horse? Yeah, because it literally is that. Yeah, it is. So would you say to people and getting back on the horse here? Yeah, words. And then yeah, just say. Have you been back on the horse since the Olympics? Yeah, yeah, I've been back.
I only had like 10 days off after the Olympics and then got back into it. But then I got back into straight away because I knew I'd be busy with different things, so I just didn't want to have like months of gymnastics all together. I. Was going to say, is that first? Is that first training session back really hard? Because. Because it was only 10 days it wasn't too bad, but the more time you have off, the more ache and it is really.
But like, I couldn't take any notes if I was you, you know, if I won the gold and my my coach like this, I just got my way back and be like here, you know. So like once you've done that, how you'd be like, what do you look then like legacy or what do you want to do next or now you're like, no matter what this is, This is because. Your goal was always yeah, which? Is a mad thing, like, and people ask me like, how has my life changed?
It's like not too much other than like your mindset because you're chasing this one thing. Like I started gymnastics when I was six years old and was chasing out one thing for my entire life and I was just done. You're just like, oh, there it is. Done. But do you? Are you as fired up more or less about like the idea of another Olympics?
Yeah, well, it it's, it's like I need two more world titles on an Olympic title to be the best of all time, which is pretty cool on. That, can I say even more than that, That's really cool. Yeah, yeah. So that will be the goal. And it's also like, it's my job, which is mad to say. And like, why would I ever just like, stop this awesome job unless I'm forced to in some way? Can we go back?
Because obviously everyone knows this story currently and like by the Olympics and that kind of thing. But like, you've dedicated yourself to this like forever since you started. So what made you get in the Olympic like we do in other sports as well when you were a kid? Yeah, yeah. I don't know sports play football, don't swim in rugby, field hockey and school and stuff.
I just, I love sports. Like, and it was always that thing you're saying where if you weren't good at one thing, like I, I was always pretty good at every sport. And but by the age of it, I was like, I just want to do gymnastics because it was having to like leave training early to go to football practise on like a Wednesday. And then I remember that car journey home. I was like, mom, I just want to do gymnastics. I got only want to do this. So did you ever get stick for
that like as a guy? You get it, but you get it anyway, you know what I mean? Like if you do anything at all in school, people are going to like poke fun at it. But like, I just, I'm not a big fan of the whole like leaning into the bullying side of things. Obviously if somebody gets bullied then that's different, but to me it was always just like poking fun at me and then I'd poke fun at them back. Yeah, yeah.
You know is. There anybody at school you think of now and you're just looking at your gold medal, this guy. Not anybody in particular, the teachers more so because then I've like, even when I was in school, I was like, I want to do gymnastics or I want to be like a gymnastics coach. And I was crapped at school by the way. So that gives you a bit of background. So that was like, they're kind of like, you know, you need to focus so that you actually get a
proper job. And I was like, I just want to do gymnastics. And then they were like, you can't do gymnastics as a career. There's no way. And they would bring they would bring in my like mom and dad and stuff and be like, listen, this guy is just like living a breeding gymnastics. He needs to stop and like focus on. His Can he just stop flipping? But yeah, so it is pretty mild. Her teachers even met my mom and dad and said like he needs to stop gymnastics.
But I think that that that's probably says a lot of their own insecurities is but you know, people get a little bit intimidated by Someone Like You go, I'm just going to do this thing. Yeah, but I just people, like, I don't play them at the same time. Yeah. How rare is it that somebody, like a kid is going to make it as a gym? Yeah, they're probably like, this is crazy.
But I do remember arguing with a teacher being like, listen, I don't want to sit at a classroom teaching, teaching students all day long. It sounds a lot more fun to be a gymnast for a career. Suppose that's a comedy.
It's such a you do get people. I wasn't saying I want to do it at school, but in the early days where you would have had like people like like friends and stuff, like people who genuinely were would be like, I don't know if you should be dedicating a lot of things because it's not something you can make work as a job. So I know what it's like to go because then I had a point where I was like, I'm only going to like, I've nothing to fall back on.
Yeah, like there's no academic career, but I'm, there's no vocation where I'm like, but I'm also a trained lawyer and I should be doing that. Yeah. I'm I'm nothing else bar this. Yeah. And I think that's valuable to have, though, because then it forces you to find the different pathways in your comedy career or, yeah, gymnastics career. And like, yeah, it's like I'm
only doing this. Yeah, but I guess I would be jealous of that from that early age, having the single man is at that age and doing this thing and being like, I don't care what people think. Because when you're taking the piss out of someone for going off and having a hobby and doing it all the time, Yeah, you just wish you had that yourself. Yeah, well, I guess I was always quite confident when I was
younger as well. So always knew, like, I don't know, I just kind of knew like I was going to make this work. And what was the training like? As in, how much your time were you dedicating to this as a as a kid? Yeah, so much so by the age of 10, I was doing between like 24 to 30 hours per week of training. So that's like a full time job on top of school work.
So I was going to school, leaving school at like about 3:30 or whatever, driving to gym for like 45 minutes and then training for four hours every evening. Yeah. You'd be dizzy at the end of. I know, I know, but like that's why my schoolwork did slack a good bit because I wasn't able to get homework done like. Did you always have the support from home at that time? Yeah, for sure. Like my mom and dad obviously drove me to the gym. I wasn't able to support myself.
I didn't get paid for gymnastics until I was like 18 years old. So like that gap of six years old and 18, that was all just my mom and dad, which is class. But is was there ever a point and go along the way where maybe like you felt you weren't where you wanted to be? Was there ever any doubts? And whenever you maybe had doubts about what you could do, how did you sort of alleviate those and push past them? Was there ever that moment like that?
Not really, to be honest, because it my career was kind of like really linear. It just kept getting better and better. And I think that's what makes even when in the Olympics a lot more manageable because it's like I started winning like international junior medals and then it was like I won the Commonwealth Games. This is big thing. Then it was like Europeans World Championships and then Olympics. So it's like all in the order it should be. Yeah.
But some people just get like they their debut is the Olympic Games, that 18 year old, they win and they're like, holy shit, what is this all about? Yeah. And also what we can talk about before the part, a bit of some people get opportunities at such a young age and you don't know yourself well enough to be in a good position to maintain that and then develop past that. Yeah.
Whereas when you've been working at it for a long time and you are that little bit older, you, you know how to handle that. Yeah. And the emotion of it and everything like that, so much better. Yeah, it definitely is. And I'm glad that it obviously went in that linear direction because it makes it a lot more manageable, like a big one like this.
And I think if I, I'm saying like my life hasn't changed all that much, I think if the Olympics came, the Olympic gold came first, I would be like, my life is just flipped upside down. Yeah. Yeah. But it hasn't. It's just kind of had a gradual increase, which is nice. I I I love it. To it like see, even like listening to you, obviously you started sex. I have a six year old now and she's showing signs of being good at dancing and I'm looking around going.
She's interested in stuff like I wasn't running being an example. So like she's like, I want to go run on dad and I'm like, well, I'll watch, but you know, it's like, how do you know like what to put? Like she loves it and she's you know, the the coach is saying she's got potential here.
Like obviously just supported me, like go bring her to her classes every week and up. But then how do you kind of know, you know the push them on to like the next level of that without being too like you're going to do this? Yeah, I guess it's always like if they enjoy it, they're going to lead the the way. I remember one thing my mom and dad always done, if I had like a really tough session, like I'd come out like hands or bleeding or whatever, and I'm like
crying. And my mom and dad always be like, do someone do it? I'd be like, yeah. And then they were like, OK. When you are doing those sessions, is it just the repetition that would leave you like that? And was would the would the fact you'd be crying come from the mental or the physical side of? It mental more so, yeah. About like what? Like not being able to do a certain thing and you're trying it so many times. Yeah, And, like, weird things
happen. I don't know if you remember from Tokyo, Simone Biles had this thing where she like, got lost in the air. Twisties.
Yeah, twisties. So like when you're flipping through the air, doing multiple somersaults, multiple twists, you you have to like innately count it in a way you have like this feeling of counting it because you can't just go 1234 that's it. But it's you need to kind of feel it and then something happens in your brain sometimes where like you short circuit, whether that'll be like stress or like you're getting closer to the competition. It would have always happened to me.
And those times I like had this fear of going backwards, doing backwards somersaults, backflips. And like backflips are, I know it sounds arrogant, but it's like they're the easiest skills and gymnastics. So when I all of a sudden stopped doing that, then I was like, oh, this is really annoying. So it was like the twisties equivalent for me. And that happened like throughout my entire career.
And that would be the days where I come out being like, I just can't do gymnastics and it's super frustrating. How do you get past that? When that's in, you have to just take a break or what's the process? For me, it was like relaxing a lot more, making it playful. So it never happened to me on Palm the Horse because you're
not like somersaultin. But I always made a playful like when I started training with other people, we'd like, created a game out of doing these like backwards somersaults and that took my mind off it in a serious way and like made it more, more fun. I what like what's the is the
plan? I just get straight back in the competitions or are there other things you're interested in of like what actually maybe you're in a better position to do them now of like the branch out and do a bit bit more TV work or? Yeah, I'd love to who I've kind of thought about this a good bit of like doing public speaking and, you know, doing those motivational talks and stuff like that. I feel like I've got a lot to give because it's just been my whole life, like motivating myself.
And I never really trained many people either. So I was always having to just like create that motivation within and like through the years been journaling, writing things down, writing good ideas down. So I'd love to like share that night now that I've got that platform of like, yeah, Olympic champion, like, yeah, I'd love to share the knowledge a bit. Who is the coolest person you
got to speak to at the Olympics? It's probably Carl Frampton as the first time meeting Carl and he was just like, messaged me. I was like, are you in Paris? Do you want to meet up for a coffee? We just like got a coffee and saw for like two or three hours chatting. Yeah, he's just that kind of guy that you can't sit and yeah, talk with. Like isn't. It very like ground, like down N Yeah, totally normal for sure.
Be so weird for him though. If he messaged me that you in Paris and you were like, no, I should be here competing right in 10, you know. I would love to, like, I'd love to go to the Olympics the way Snoop Dogg did, You know, like doing a bit of, like doing a bit of punditry but not having to know anything about it. That would be the.
But he, I don't know how he's managed it, but he was the like the mascot of Paris. And then when they're like we're handing over to LA, he's there again straight away. And Oh yeah, yes. He got paid like 600 grand per week or something. Mod per day, Maybe you. Take that. You would, you would. What them? What's like, is there anything you look, you look back on in your journey that you that you
would do differently? Like was there anything you were doing when you were younger with training or trying to achieve your goals that was getting in your way and then you learnt to go around it or go past it? Like a little bit, but then at the same time you kind of think if I had to change anything when I was younger, then this wouldn't have happened.
And like, I've obviously accomplished like all my dreams in the sport, so wouldn't change anything, but I would maybe just say to myself, like when I was younger, just chill out a little bit more, enjoy it, enjoy the process of it. I was just always really stressed out to try and be the best. I'm like such a competitive person still I'm to this day, but I feel like I handle a lot better than I did when I was younger.
And do you feel actually, obviously so much was dedicated to getting to where you are today? You think there is an element now where you're like, there's maybe some things like how long do you see your career going on for at the elite level? And do you see there's things maybe you missed out on that like kids are doing, like going like large trips, summer holidays, things like that? Like are the things you want to be doing once you finish?
Are you still focused on? Like I think I want to do it when you're in the height of like a competition build up. You're like, I wish I was able to do this. And then after the competition, you do it once, like going on a night out, you do it once. You're like, this bores me. Not yeah, I've done it. I'm hungover. I'm kind of over it. And then you want to get back into training and doing something productive. Have you ever drunk and pommeled?
No, I haven't actually, but that'll be interesting. I imagine. You're blocked. You start. That's a YouTube series. Giving yourself badger names. Mark von Pommel here. Out of the way, you know, Inspector Horse. I love you, but sitting. You're like, no, just just. You would sit there for 45 minutes. It's his niche. He's a niche player.
When you know what like say like you know, other athletes go on holiday, they can go to the gym or if a footballer goes on holiday, a lot of top hotels no have like sports pitches beside them so they can go and play. If you're on holiday, can you do any kind of gymnastics? Like just, you know, like calistatics training, just like left in your own body weight and stuff, wherever you can kind of do that now. Then there's more in the fitness gyms.
They're they're having those like bars and the palaesthetics, that CrossFit stuff. Yeah, that's helpful because it's kind of gymnastically. But you can't can't do proper gymnastics training unless you're in a gymnastics gym. Would you like, would you love something like, like would you like our airport to be named after you or anything like that? Why our airport? Because you're from arts. I am but. Or like the shopping centre.
People don't believe me when I say or tells an airport, like my friends from Belfast, I'm like, yeah, there's an airport NARS like. I'm going to tell a story that I was going to tell in the bonus podcast, but it does link in large airports will tell you you're enjoying like great success at the minute. I got mugged during the week so badly that I have to see the funny side of it. So I watched the Anthony Joshua fight my mate's house on Saturday night. Umm, he lives near me.
I took a bagel and a cup of tea over to his house and wash it. It's ground went back home. I had been the week before that I had met that price guy, you know, runs competition pages, you know stuff. Met him for a coffee at the end of the chat he goes give me your number here. So I take them my number on his phone and that was that. And on Monday morning, So the Joshua fight was on the Saturday. On the Monday morning, I texted him and went, let me know if you're still on for a coffee
next week. And he went, you gave me the wrong number last week. I tried to text you and I went, all right, OK, you've got my number now. And then he went, this is what I had text you. When I say this is the worst ever, it's the worst ever. This is a text I had missed the morning of the Anthony Joshua fight. She and Paul from Price guy here. Really random one. I have two spare tickets for the hotel room to the AJ fight tomorrow. Also two seats on a private
plane taking us there and back. Only me and my make on. Let me know if you fancy it. He was going from Ards airport. There was 1 digit difference in the phone number and I watch it my mitos for the bagel. But would it have been? Good. It would have been better. Yeah, it definitely would have been better. And in Warrington and Kakachi was good we. Oh, I'm sure it was. I'm sure it was. That is, that is the most gotten thing. It's probably out of Irvine's plan as well.
Do you have a What's? What was it like Did you did to set the time of art like that? Arts do anything for you when you came back. Was huge. Like there was like thousands in the town square. That's class. Yeah. Unreal. Have you always had good support from your hometown? Yeah, for sure, for sure. And then even though like I would represent Ireland and ours is like mostly loyalist, like everyone just shows their support. It's class.
Yep, it's absolutely class. And I've always been like, pride to like, say I'm from the nards, born and raised and stuff. So yeah. And the nice thing about ours as well, everyone would recognise me walking down the street. But nobody's like, weird with photos or anything to just like, top me in the arm. But like, here. Well done. Yes, yeah. Yeah, it was. His he's a banger guy and his snobbery came out when you said proud to be from art.
There was that I saw that Bangor art, that weird Bangor art rivalry when you said that because he went like this. Because it was in every like the people who bother me, I was like, because they're ignorant bastards. That's why I was. But you're you're, you're different. You nearly wouldn't touch Reese's. Leg and touch yourself. I don't sound remember he is from art so it could be some but you know what we went up to your tar the other the other week there for walks. Lovely.
Yeah, it's that we call. You're a little medalist, Sure it's. Your tar, you own it, but you have said it's a nice big walk. It's steep. Help. It's steep, very steep. What we might be legs. Well, I take go out with family. It's normal to do that. Now I was doing something weird. If I were going there, I go out with my family. It's normal to do that. I'm a dog. He loved it. Great time, right? And. Then we but now it is a bit steep, which is scary because you can just fall off and fully
die. But. Have you have you ever? I've never tried to relocate you and been like, you should be in this country or this city or anything. I lived in Dublin for like 5 years right? And then my coach opened up. It's his gymnastics club, Origin Gymnastics. It's like in the Art Leisure Centre here Which? Which, by the way, slag it all you want. Art leisure centres. Fucking unbelievable. People come from like Lisburn to go and use their spa. I mean, that's how. That's the only place.
They're just not going to reason to get out of Lisburn, but to be. Like a list of places that you just despite. You know what it? Does have a list? The. Sorry you. Can't just mock me and lift the keg. Race as athletes. As athletes, we believe hydration is key. Oh. Didn't know how much I'm getting. Yeah, but I got to say the BMLC is some spot Blairman Leisure Centre. It's it is, it is like what? Some birthday parties? In the art. Yeah, and his own 40th.
I'm not 40, but yeah. And I actually know. And do you, do you take some of the coaching there still or do? You like? Sometimes I would just go in for some of the sessions and. Like help to be if you're a kid, you're just about to go and do something and you walking. Imagine kids disrespecting you, fucked you.
Like loads of the get, there's like this ginormous poster of me on the wall and like some of the kids would be like, that's him, not other kids right now, Yeah. I'd say when I did the Adam a friend first when you were flying around people and it was like, do you remember the you're at a rare poster? Yes, and it was like it was a picture of me, but then it had been like designed to look like kind of like a drone and it looked great an idea. Mind the people I had go.
That's not him. That's not you. You don't look like that. I was like it literally is my face. They're like, no, you're nothing like that, but it's not you. But I am a friend of mine's daughter goes to the gymnastics club, and she used to call you coach race whenever you're doing this. And I was like, no, that's not your coach. I know. So don't you be at that. And I had made her cry and she's not been back. But, you know, sometimes life lessons have to be tough.
Would you? Would you judge my cart with? Yeah, no. Are these guys going to allow this with this equipment? And this guy's strangely long. You'll end up flipping. Fingers will knock over the cameras. Can you do handstand? Try handstand. You could do that with a break in the world. See. Is it better to sort of start like this? Whatever you're feeling, right? We know what what are your hands in there? What's the light there? And your feet are going OK. Give it a row.
You've got to believe he's got the twisties. That's. A frog stand, ladies and gentlemen. There you go. Is that good? That's good. Oh, he's nervous now. He's in his own head. Chin. Don't do it. Please don't do it. Please don't do it. I don't know. No. Yeah. There's too many veins going on in your head right now. That's not safe. All the blood. Oh, no. You know what you look like you're doing? Called a prayer. My head a bit there, but is that good? Is that a good starting block?
Yeah, it's good. It was. So slow. And you, like I've seen you're a confident guy. You have some would say overconfidence in yourself, but that was the only time I've ever seen you really doubt yourself ever. Oh no. I was worried my head was going to hit the ground. It was honest. Oh yeah. We'll have to get you down to the gym to try gymnastics class. Yeah, but obvious. Let's do it. Can we, could we go on with film it? Yeah, that'll be great fun at the BM the. BMLC.
BMLC do you? Reckon you're going to oust Blairman and we put now as the King of Art. You reckon like he's been holding on the title for a lot of years and like, I think you should have Reese Mclagan, that you need the road leading in. You maybe have the Reese McLaren roundabout where you have the star. Doesn't want to round and these fucking Olympic gold. Don't want to, Ryan, There's a needle. Tim horton's, Starbucks. Big Tesco's.
Yeah, it doesn't matter what Terry doesn't Burger King on a roundabout. He wants like a leisure centre or an airport. He said he wants the airport. Yeah, Anatar, umm, the Red Bull thing you mentioned earlier. Where? There are, there are other. Energy drinks out there. I forgot the sponsored by Monster. Will you get loads of free gear doing that and stuff? Yeah. So that would that would be the most free gear you'd get.
So we got as an athlete, an app that you can order unlimited gear, Unlimited, by the way, unlimited Red Bull as well. This is what I'm talking about. So I'm gonna. Limit. This when I first signed with them, they're like, yeah, this is the app, go nuts. And I'm like, well, like how nuts can I go here? So I went on order, 24 crates of the sugar free ones, 24 crates of the normal Red Bull, 500 Red Bull. I was like wonder if this will come here.
And not see but night. A guy comes up to my garage with a forklift and lowers a crate, like a crate, a wooden pallet of Red Bull down onto my driver and it's like, there you go. But. That's good, you drink all the Red Bull then give a path to the boys and arts. Can you get Can you get T-shirts and bucket hats on? Yes, all, all of the above. Can you get helmets like Formula One helmets? No, they're special for the Formula One guys, Yeah. But no, just sure.
See. How they do double XL hoodies? Why? Who's up for your mom? All about that. Yeah, we would. We would. We would love some Red Bull stuff. Well, it's only for the athletes. To do like snowboarding gear and stuff like that. Yeah, but literally anything, if you see somebody with a Red Bull hat on and it's only got the Red Bull on it, not like Red Bull Racing or anything, they're a Red Bull athlete. Are you a medium? What in what clothes? No, I'd be like a small.
We belly top you that sexy like like Buffalo bells and so am. She'd be lovely. Are you Red Bull? I would love it. I would genuinely love it if we we went and did some gymnastics. I'll be a lot of fun. Yeah, I chew the worm and as long as I know the floors are clean and that's very Immaculate, Yeah. See, with the Red Bull, they're famous for doing like stunts with their athletes. Do you have anything planned? Yeah, I've got some things planned, but they're just their
ideas at the minute. The one thing though is that I'm like, gymnastics isn't like a stunt sport. I'd love to do some stunts like that, but the main reason Red Bull have like signed me is for the results. So they're kind of like, we don't want to get you injured or something for your competitions. Right, right you. Can't imagine your coach and you're like, I'm going to do this skydiving suits and jump off, jump off Scrabble.
No, don't, don't. I'm going to do pommage over a volcano, but that'll be a lot of fun. Yeah, I like the Red Bull cars with the big hands on them can. You order a Red Bull car. Can you get a cab? Yeah, I can get us both on 500. Davy, what Brown would you love to be sponsored by the most? Not, not M&S. Oh, I. Don't know like. Drinks brand. Drinks brand that's a hard like the drink that I like the most is just heavy on water. I like the app, that's so boring.
Then we baby so. You know what to do. I would go for Hennessy the Brandy. I can see that. Yeah, I could do that. And then I would just insist this part of they'll have to be in like rap videos and stuff. I will. I like Doctor Pepper. Doctor Pepper. Yeah, I heard that in on your recent. Number one soft drink in my opinion. For flavour or as opposed to what brand? Because, you know, like, would you wear Doctor Pepper gear and
all? Yeah. Do you ever see that the Do they activate in that way? Do. You remember a time. What are you doing? I'm 25. Do you remember a time, it might have been before your time where all those soft drink brands brought out like T-shirts like Slightly Faded T show everyone had like Sprite T-shirts, 7UP and all? Those I remember more than the yoyos the brand on that was. Didn't know you're a master from the way you did that, yeah. Is that the Olympics?
Yoyo and yeah could. Be it was the one point I think, wasn't it what I think so Wick is whenever they take like they put something in and they take it away and if like some sports dip in and out. Yeah, they're like test so. Do what I loved when Great Britain or Great Britain had a football team. I'm like let's get an Ireland football team going at the Olympics, let's get Britain to put a football team back in. That's brilliant. It's coming back, LA. Apparently football is going to
be there. Was football there this time? Yeah, it was. There, but like with the Team GB, Team GB really enter a team in the LA one. Because it's not enter this. One No. It haven't since 2012. They only. Ever did it 2012? Yeah, which was mad because you're three, you're like 3 over age the dead under 20 ones. Yeah, I think. It is. I think it's like under 20 ones or under 20 threes and they're like. 23 and you're gonna have 3 overage, yeah. It's not not that. Ryan Giggs did it.
Remember, and makes big makes. And start Daniel Sturridge Yeah, yeah, I can't remember the other one, but I I love that I Olympic football be great but. You always disappointed. I thought the cats were a bit weak, yes. Like you thought it was a real sweet cat for it. And I think that's. You get an Ireland team going to the Olympics and bring back like overage players have like Roy Keane. You. That could be your thing. Imagine. I would love. That all age out for your 40th
to the next Olympics? Yep, have you? Unbelievable. It'll be a great way to celebrate my 40th being an athlete of the Olympic Games. Me and just just Red Bull. That mean you just not at each other. No, you can't have Brandon at the Olympics. All right, if you're. I got a special contract. Patty Barnes. No, he remember, he had the you know what? Patty Barnes and the Twitter. Yes, that day.
When Pat Hughes were doing like the parade at the Olympics and Patty had just the same that said, like sponsor me on Twitter, Patty BR Yeah, just walking around really cutting so much shit. But I mean, what, what can they do to you? Say if you do do something like that, who will come there and be like? Yes, who tells you about who tells?
You the Olympic Committee to see even with my YouTube I was posting like training footage and then I had like tiniest bit of competition footage in they were like it's done like take it down. It was demonetized. It wasn't even just demonetized. It was taken down straight away like they're. A took it down. Yes, so like they and when you say like the Olympics, nobody sees it as a brand, but it is a brand. So even I've got an Olympic tattoo in my arm.
I can't have that Olympic tattoo obvious in an advert because it's it's their trademark brown logo. Yeah. She like it is so. Annoying, though It is so frustrating because it's obviously the event that yeah, yeah, and all the Browns want to associate themselves with it, but it's so restricted. I'd be so tempted to get an Olympic tattoo of like the rings, like just here in holiday and all people are looking at me like, wonder what he did. Yeah.
Not competed. But it's like that, like an Iron Man tattoo, you know? It's like you have to, you have to earn it, you know? No, but you can theoretically just get it. You could get an Iron Man tattoo. It should be a rule, shouldn't there that you have like tattoo. Ours cannot do the Olympic symbol unless you bring like a certificate. A medal, yeah. Well, that's the no, because you get it if you compete with the Olympic school, which is an
accolade you don't know. Itself you get a certificate. Yeah, maybe if you ask for the probably. Print out one like. Does we is we flower still live or did die? Do you want to YouTube? What? Was it that it wasn't the floor? But that's a good guess. So when they give you this, when they give you the medal. The famous Florida. It's just like a poster and everyone is like what is in that? What is in that box that they give you do? We roll a poster.
Just we roll a poster of what if like it's artwork of the like city and all of the events included in that artwork. But you can literally get that in the gift shop. Yeah, be 10 out of 10 mental if they gave you a flag. No, I'll tell you why my logic is not ten out of 10 mental because when you historically, when you win, you get. Initially it was the gardens, which is the and then you get like the care flowers, the gold medal. So I thought that was just like a yeah, what's the?
Olympics, yeah, but I don't. That was probably when I'm like golden times. I always get flowers at competitions. For the medals. Yeah. Your YouTube channel, do you, do you post on that regularly? Not well over the Olympics. Yeah. So I've done like a series of vlogs and podcasts and stuff on on the lead up to the Olympics. So that that was quite interesting to do. We'll put a link to that below. Yeah, sweet. Thanks. I want to start up another podcast, a more regular one. And would it?
Would you be chatting to sports people or what would? The Yeah, mostly like sports people. Gymnasts as well you know gymnastics is a niche community so like and there's not many podcasts around in that sport so we've. Got a title? Flippin hell. Sorry I. Think you just go with Mark van Pommel. Have you got one more? For us, nothing. You're sure? When's your short Bangor? Quarter. I'm doing recording special at the Court House in Bangor on the 16th and 17th of October.
The 17th is nearly gone, but the 16th? Will this be for that? Yeah. Well, OK, we'll put the link to that in the description below. Reach your your legend. Thanks very much for for coming on. Congratulations on on all the success. Very, very well deserved. And do you have a message for Mary Peters? I can come for you. No Mary Peters can have that title of like the biggest, biggest Olympic career ever
like. Imagine if you got you got mugs and you got given the title beam and you had to be like, oh. Thank you, but it was her giving it to me. And then just get a tube with a Flora. Guys. Thank you very much for watching, listening. Thank you to Reese. Thank you to Dave. Thank you.