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Tax Chats

Dyreng and Hoopeswww.taxchats.org

Taxes touch every aspect of society, including who rules, where factories are built, what people drink, what car they buy, when they have children, and when they die. Scott Dyreng (Duke) and Jeff Hoopes (UNC), two accounting professors, chat about taxes, including current events, with the energy of an over-caffeinated chihuahua. Listening is guaranteed to be far more entertaining than actually paying your taxes.

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Episodes

Tax Morality with Ruth Braunstein

Send us a text In this episode, Scott and Jeff chat with Ruth Braunstein about her recent book " My Tax Dollars: The Morality of Taxpaying in America " wherein we discuss complicated issues related to using tax dollars to fund controversial issues like abortion and war. We discuss taxpayer resistance. We chat about the complexities that arise in government use of taxpayer dollars when the underlying population is extremely diverse....

Jun 12, 202538 minSeason 1Ep. 154

A Proposal for a Standard Business Deduction: A Chat with Kathleen Thomas

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Kathleen Thomas, a UNC tax law professor, about a recent proposal to allow businesses to have a standard deduction, rather than track expenses. Kathleen explains how this proposal would simplify compliance with and administration of the tax code.

May 22, 202537 minSeason 1Ep. 153

One Big Beautiful Bill, One Short Sagacious Summary (insofar as it is accurate)

Send us a text The House Ways and Means Committee has pass The One Big Beautiful Bill the TOBBB). Knowing this was coming up, Jeff invited Scott to go on a Tax Chats road trip, but, got rejected--Scott was too busy. So, Jeff watched the process from a distance. Jeff discusses what he observed, and Jeff and Scott discuss the contents of the bill, for far as it was passed by the House Ways and Means Committee....

May 14, 202535 minSeason 1Ep. 152

The Tax Family Tree: A Genealogical Discussion with Kyle Pomerleau

Send us a text Jeff and Scott talk about the relationship taxes have with each other. How are value added taxes related to sales taxes or the border adjustment tax, and how are all related to income taxes (or are they just unrelated)? Find out by listening to this amazing episode.

Apr 28, 202548 minSeason 1Ep. 151

Which is the worst Tax Expenditure?: A Chat with Adam Michel

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Adam Michel of the Cato Institute about tax expenditures. Adam currently has on his X account the Tax Expenditure Madness brackets (also on his substack: https://adamnmichel.substack.com/). Adam sets up brackets like the March Madness NCAA basketball tournament, but instead of pitting basketball teams against each other to establish the best team*, he has tax expenditures competing to determine which is the worst expenditure. Jeff, Scott and Adam chat abou...

Mar 24, 202540 minSeason 1Ep. 149

Race and Taxes: A Chat with Bill Gale

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Bill Gale of the Tax Policy Center about his new paper (with Oliver Hall and John Sabelhaus), "The Same But Different: How the Income Tax Affects Black, Hispanic, and White Households." We discuss how the bottom 70% of Black households, by income, pay less in tax than White households with similar incomes. This occurs because Black households have more dependents, on average, than White households, and children are tax advantaged in the U.S. In the top 30%...

Mar 19, 202529 minSeason 1Ep. 148

Tax Enforcement in Developing Countries: A Chat with Oyebola Okunogbe

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Oyebola Okunogbe, an economist at the World Bank. They discuss tax enforcement in the developing world, including the challenges developing world countries face that more developed countries do not face, and, how those challenges shape tax systems. Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earmarkcpe.com/ to download the free app. Go to the Tax Chats channel, regist...

Feb 19, 202534 minSeason 1Ep. 147

Advising the President's Advisor: Elena Patel on working at the CEA

Send us a text Jeff and Scott talk about Elena Patel , an economics professor at the University of Utah, about her time working at the Council of Economic Advisors. Elena worked as a tax economist advising the chair of the CEA, who is an economic advisor to the President. Elena talks about how one gets this job, what one does in the job, what the CEA is general, and how the CEA interacts in a very political world....

Feb 17, 202535 minSeason 1Ep. 146

A Chat with Rita de la Feria on Tax Fairness

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Rita de la Feria on tax fairness. Fairness is in the eye of the beholder, and tax fairness, in particular, appears to be particularly sensitive to whose eye is beholding.

Feb 06, 202546 minSeason 1Ep. 145

Re-release: Martin Luther King Jr.'s Tax Perjury Trial: A conversation with Edgar Dyer

Send us a text This episode originally aired on January 15, 2022. We are releasing it for Martin Luther King day, January 20, 2025. If you already heard it and don't wish to hear it again, skip it! Martin Luther King Jr. is the only person to have ever been tried for perjury with regards to state income taxes in Alabama. Jeff and Scott interview Edgar Dyer about the tax perjury trial of Martin Luther King Jr. in 1960. Eddie wrote an article entitled " A Triumph of Justice in Alabama: The 1960 Pe...

Jan 16, 202534 minSeason 1Ep. 144

Low Property taxes in California: Chatting about Prop 13 with Dan Walters

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Dan Walter's, an Opinion Columnist for CalMatters. They chat about Prop 13, a law that dramatically limits property tax increases in California, and was passed in 1978. Dan has been writing about California since 1975, and shares his perspectives on Prop 13 from having lived through and covered the debate surrounding its passage, as well as what effects Prop 13 has had since its passage....

Jan 15, 202534 minSeason 1Ep. 143

Democrats Lowering the Income Tax in Hawaii! A Chat with Seth Colby

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Seth Colby, a Tax Research and Planning Officer for the State of Hawaii. They discussed a recent policy change in Hawaii, where Hawaii dramatically reduced income tax rates, while increasing sales taxes, in an effort to both collect less revenue for lower-income Hawaiians, while generating additional revenue from those visiting Hawaii temporarily.

Jan 13, 202531 minSeason 1Ep. 143

The Regulation of Paid Tax Preparers: A Conversation with John Treu

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with West Virginia University accounting professor, and lawyer, John Treu, about the regulation of paid tax preparers, including John's empirical evidence that they improve return quality and the Loving case.

Dec 10, 202437 minSeason 1Ep. 142

Tax Notes: A Chat with Tax Analysts CEO Cara Griffith

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Cara Griffith, CEO of Tax Analysts about Tax Notes, the main product of Tax Analysts. Tax Notes is a tax practitioner publication catering to tax professionals, and Jeff and Scott talk about who reads Tax Notes, how content is produced, and who the competitors to Tax Notes are. Finally, we discuss Tax Analysts' ownership of the URL https://taxmuseum.org/, which is a direct competitor to the much better http://thetaxmuseum.org....

Nov 25, 202427 minSeason 1Ep. 140

Electric Car Subsidies in the IRA: A Chat with Felix Tintelnot

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Felix Tintelnot about electric cars, and the subsidies they were given before the IRA, and in the IRA. We learn that because electric cars are heavier and therefore more likely to crush you to death if they crash into you, they create negative externalities, in addition to the positive benefit of reducing pollution.

Nov 18, 202434 minSeason 1Ep. 139

Certifying Fairness? A Chat with Fair Tax Foundation's CEO Paul Monaghan

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Paul Monaghan, the CEO of the Fair Tax Foundation . The Fair Tax Foundation certifies companies for paying a "good" amount of tax, focusing on the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law, certifying companies from small to publicly traded large corporations. How can you tell if a company is paying a fair amount in tax? Listen to the episode to find out! Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week af...

Oct 24, 202440 minSeason 1Ep. 138

Cement and Carbon Taxes: A Chat with Marcel Olbert and Daniel Klein

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Marcel Olbert, assistant professor of accounting at London Business School, and Daniel Klein, assistant to the CFO at Heidelberg Materials. They discuss carbon taxes, and a new paper Marcel has on carbon leakage. They also discuss how carbon taxes and leakage affect Heidelberg Materials, one of the largest producers of cement in the world. Cement production contributes an enormous amount of carbon into the atmosphere, and so it is very sensitive to carbon ...

Oct 09, 202443 minSeason 1Ep. 137

Deadly Tax Protests in Kenya: A chat with Nana Ama Sarfo

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Nana Ama Sarfo, a contributing editor with Tax Notes, with a special interest in covering taxes in the developing world. They chat about the recent deadly tax protests in Kenya, where a tax increase on basic life staples lead to violence in the street, parliament being lit on fire, and death. Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earmarkcpe.com/ to download the ...

Sep 28, 202428 minSeason 1Ep. 136

Taxing Traffic? A Chat About Congestion Pricing with Matthew Tarduno

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with economist and professor Matthew Tarduno about the problems that automobile traffic causes, and different ways that have been devised to solve the problem (including tax-adjacent ways!). Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earmarkcpe.com/ to download the free app. Go to the Tax Chats channel, register for the course, take a short quiz, and earn your CPE certifi...

Sep 04, 202440 minSeason 1Ep. 135

Utah State Tax Policy: A Chat with Senator Daniel McCay

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Senator Daniel McCay, chairman of the Utah Senate Revenue and Taxation Committee, about how he thinks about tax policy, what the objectives of tax policy are, and how he thinks Utah is doing tax-wise. Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earmarkcpe.com/ to download the free app. Go to the Tax Chats channel, register for the course, take a short quiz, and earn y...

Sep 03, 202440 minSeason 1Ep. 134

The Power to Destroy: A Chat with Michael Graetz about his new book

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Michael Graetz, Professor Emeritus of Law at Yale, about his new book, The Power to Destroy: How the Antitax Movement Hijacked America. We talk about the start of the anti-tax movement with the opposition to property tax increases in California, the Regan-era tax cuts, and how the desire to cut taxes has shaped American politics over the last 40 years. Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes ...

Aug 14, 202445 minSeason 1Ep. 133

Overturning Chevron: A Chat about the Loper Bright decision with Andy Grewal

Send us a text Jeff and Scott talk with Iowa law professor Andy Grewal about the recent Supreme Court case, Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo, which effectively eliminates Chevron deference. They discuss the ramifications for tax and non-tax administrative law. Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earmarkcpe.com/ to download the free app. Go to the Tax Chats channel, register for the course, take ...

Jul 31, 202431 minSeason 1Ep. 132

Taxocracy: A Chat with Scott Hodge about his new book

Send us a text Jeff and Scott talk with Scott Hodge (who is revealed to be a more authentic "Scott" than Scott Dyreng), CEO Emeritus to the Tax Foundation. They discuss his new book, " Taxocracy: What You Don't Know About Taxes and How They Rule Your Daily Life ", about all the ways which taxes shape our lives. Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earmarkcpe.com/ to download the free app. Go to the T...

Jul 26, 202439 minSeason 1Ep. 131

Moore with Daniel Hemel

Send us a text In this episode, Jeff and Scott chat once more with Daniel Hemel. In the past we have spoken with Daniel about taxing stock buybacks (episode #79) and Donald Trump's tax returns (episode #80). This time we talk about the carefully watched supreme court decision Moore v USA. Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earmarkcpe.com/ to download the free app. Go to the Tax Chats channel, regis...

Jul 17, 202431 minSeason 1Ep. 130

Thoreau Disobeys: A Chat about Thoreau and Taxes with Laura Dassow Walls

Send us a text Henry David Thoreau famously refused to pay his poll tax and went to jail (very briefly) as a result. Jeff and Scott chat with Laura Dassow Walls, emerita English professor at Notre Dame and author of Henry David Thoreau: A Life , about what we can learn from Thoreau about taxes and the relationship they create between taxpayers and the state. Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earma...

Jun 24, 202435 minSeason 1Ep. 129

All You Could Ever Want to Know about the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) with Jacob Bastian

Send us a text Jeff and Scott chat with Jacob Bastian, assistant professor of Economics at Rutgers, about the earned income tax credit (EITC). Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earmarkcpe.com/ to download the free app. Go to the Tax Chats channel, register for the course, take a short quiz, and earn your CPE certificate....

Jun 14, 202444 minSeason 1Ep. 128

Taxes and Online Sports Betting: A Chat with Nathan Goldman

Send us a text Jeff and Scott talk to Nathan Goldman, accounting professor at North Carolina State University (completing the tax triangle between UNC, Duke, and NC State!)., about taxes and online sports betting. Sports betting was recently legalized in North Carolina, and Nathan co-wrote (with Christina Lewellen) a widely circulated piece about the tax implications of sports betting,: https://poole.ncsu.edu/thought-leadership/article/the-taxation-of-online-sports-betting-in-north-carolina/ Get...

May 30, 202433 minSeason 1Ep. 127

The Budget Lab at Yale: A Chat with Martha Gimbel

Send us a text Scott and Jeff chat with Martha Gimbel , executive director of The Budget Lab at Yale University . We discuss the functions of the lab, including its efforts on budget scoring. Get CPE for listening to Tax Chats! Free CPE courses are available approximately one week after episodes are published. Visit https://earmarkcpe.com/ to download the free app. Go to the Tax Chats channel, register for the course, take a short quiz, and earn your CPE certificate....

May 16, 202430 minSeason 1Ep. 126
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