Draft Season: Episode 21- CBS NFL Analyst Charles Davis

decades and decades. Breaking down the old twenty two for NFL films is Greg Costel, who Greg, I'm just happy that you've made it to the finish line with me, you know, at your advanced age, to get all the way through the draft. I think it's impressive that we've made it this far together. Well, you know, if I just to you how crazy I am. I'm still gonna take one more week and watch some guys that I

missed now that I've seen the draft. So fortunately there were always three guys in the first uh three rounds, three players that I had not seen in the first three rounds. Because I think I'm up to about two guys now that I've seen and in my one man scouting service, So you know, it's it takes a little time. As you know, Yeah, you're you're the definition of unwell, which is not how to guest to try to balance this out, and it is the incomparable Charles Davis, who

joins us here on te Pets draft season. Of course, on CBS during the NFL season you'll hear analizing games, but of course on the NFL network he was covering the trap put out mock drafts all the way leading up to the draft. So broke down these prospects, Greg, probably about as deeply as you did. And Charles, thanks so much for doing this with us. We appreciate it. Hey, Bob, Greg, thank you so much for having me. This is fantastic And I can't wait to talk a little ball with you.

And you know, Bob, with you being the radio voice of the New York Jets, I have the feeling that you're feeling pretty good about what you saw come off the board. And and Greg, you know we're gonna I know we're gonna talk quarterbacks, which you know, you know all the players, but you are a true quarterback guru. And everyone in our league I know checks to see what you say about quarterbacks because it checks out really

really well. And last but not least, mock drafts we all know are made to be put out there for us to be mocked. Once we put them out there, you go. Is there is there any chance guys you'll allow me to take all three of mine and use them in combination so I look better when it's all said and done, because at different ones I got different guys. Like I put Tyler Linderball to Baltimore at fourteen with my second mock draft, but didn't do it with my

final bock draft. You see where I'm going. So can I get credit for one or get picking at twenty to Pittsburgh on my first one but not my last? Oh that's right, it doesn't count that way. But I don't think this. This should be like the S A T. You get to like superscore. So yeah, you went, you might have maybe you had three eleven hundreds in the end of you so tremendous work. Um, you know what. I will selfishly get to the Jets at some point. But you I think Charles touched on the headline, and

Greg I know, has opinions on this as well. The quarterbacks were fascinating the fact that quarterback Kenny Pikett went in the first round probably where most talent evaluators thought he may go the most NFL ready polished product in college football this year. But no one reached, No one made a big, huge, aggressive trade up, no one panicked and thought one of these guys might go late first round and we better go up and get him. How surprised were you that in many moth traps you had

Malik Willis projected as possibly the top ten pick. Maybe people would be, you know, just entranced by the ceiling, and yet he and Matt Corral and Desmond Ritterer and Sam Howe, all of these guys that I think we all think of NFL potential all dropped later to the third round, and I mean maybe in the end where they should have gone. What do you think, Well, I think that that's kind of I think, Bobby, you laid

it out perfectly. And I can't wait for Greg to chime in on this because I said before, we all check and see what Craig says about quarterbacks. And that's that's not because we're on this show. That's just reality. Like when you asked around the league and you check with people, a lot of people will say, well, what did Greg think his quarterbacks? And it's a legit legit item.

I think that the league evaluations for once, instead of the game of liars poker that we're all used to for the last month leading up to the draft, where everyone gives you disinformation, I think the league told us the truth this time and actually stuck to it. And I think that you nailed at Bob. There wasn't a panic. I looked into the camera on day two of the draft.

I looked directly into the camera. I spoke to the people. Actually, I think I said at night one that someone's gonna take a quarterback and then the others are going to dive in. I was wrong, but I was wrong, which fit the evaluations because before this whole thing started. And I'm gonna let Greg get in here, because because because he should, I said before the draft, and I stuck

to it the entire time. There was a single quarterback in this draft that I had rated as highly as the fifth quarterback last year, and frankly the sixth quarterback, which was Davis Mills of Stanford who went to the Houston Texas. That Davis Mills had played a full year for David Shaw Stanford this year have a sneaking suspension, we would have been ranking him the number one quarterback coming out this year, so that's where my evaluations were.

But as always, that doesn't mean there aren't any stars in this that remains to be seen. This is all about evaluation, Greg, How did you say it? You know, I was as you were just talking, and I thought about this over the weekend as well, but it even hit me just more Charles as you were speaking. I wonder we become so ingrained in thinking that everybody sees the quarterback position now as a secondary action improvisational position.

And it's easy to say that because we do see guys, whether it's a Mahomes, whether it's a Josh Allen, do those kinds of things at are really high level. But I wonder if somewhere along the line, and I don't know if this is true or not, As I said, I it's just reacting to what you said. It's somewhere along the line. Team said, you know what, that's all great, but we as coaches work sixteen hours a day, we

have a whole off season. We put in our system we wanted to be executed, and if you executed properly within the structure, there's a much higher percentage chance that our offense will run efficiently, snap after snap after snap, not waiting for a potentially secondary action, improvisational play which

has somewhat of a random feel to it. And I'm just wondering, if you know, even with someone like Malik Willis and I know you watched his tape, I personally did not think his tape this year was that strong overall. Now can he make plays, of course, but Charles, you and I both know coaches and practice don't roll the ball out and say, you know, our plan today is

to just go make some plays. And I just wonder somewhere along the line, teams thought, you know what, these guys have some issues playing consistently within structure, doing the things that are required at the NFL level, snap after snap.

They're pretty significant works in progress in that area. So instead of just taking a guy because he can make a few plays, Hey, Sam Howell made a lot of plays, and I personally think Sam Howell has a chance, But you know what, he wasn't that consistent from the pocket. He would tell you that I spoke to him at the combine. He said to me, I didn't have a very good year. Those are his words. So I think

that teams. Who knows. I'm trying to give maybe a little more of a three thousand foot view of how teams might have thought, because Malik Willis would have been seen I think by a lot of people as, oh, you gotta go get him because he can make plays, but obviously teams didn't go get him. I love that.

I absolutely love that. I'm glad you brought that into play because there's a quarterback and retired and unretired, that makes the plays from the pocket, and he has all rings and he's the best quarterback we've ever seen, and that that, of course is Tom Brady. Russell. Wilson gets mis evaluated in my mind, and was misevaluated coming out of college by the vast majority of us because the

athleticism was predominant. But I thought that one year at Wisconsin was huge for him and the biggest place he made. And go back to his Seattle time. He made pocket throws when he came out of college, and everybody remember fourth and twenty six and the Big Ten championship game. That wasn't a broken play, it was a pocket throw and he makes it and end up going on and

win it. So those types of quarterbacks hit. I thought that Carson Strong from Nevada, who didn't get drafted, might have tested that theory Greg, except his knees, and I think his health were so bad that people passed on him, and that's why he's gonna end up being a free agent and last, but not least, one of the all time great quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers, you have to help me with this one. I think that his career revibes, for lack of a better word, actually continue to ascend or reascended,

whatever word you want to use. When he got out of that stage near the end of the Mike McCarthy time, in my mind of every snap he started to create instead of snap rhythm, look for your guy, throw the football. I think he's back to doing that, and then the legs are an accessory, not primary. And that's what I thought for about a two or three years per stage. As soon as he got in the snap, he was

off and going and going to create right away. Now he's back in rhythm, and boy, that's the Aaron Rodgers we all knew. Maybe I'll wrong, but that's what I said, and you're so right, because the last two years he's done that and he's played at an exceedingly high level. And I think what people are starting to understand is, you know, sure, we see Mahomes do his thing, Josh do his thing in Buffalo, but at some point in

this league, you need to drop back passing game. And if you don't have that, you're going to stop in your quest to get to the big game. You know. I think there are teams that are very good examples of that when I say they don't have one. Obviously, Charles, it's in their playbook, we know that, but but they just don't execute it at the level that's necessary to

really advance and become a great team. And I think we're seeing that, Hey, you know what, maybe that's something that should be higher on the list as opposed to lower on the list. Yeah, the second reaction stuff, Bob. The second reaction stuff, in my mind is that that's an accessory. That's what you sprinkle in. If the second reaction is what you're doing right off the top, well, we're back, We're we're having the turkey ball out back.

Now we're we're playing that, We're coming in and having the pumpkin pie, and and and that just doesn't work quite the same way as we go along doing it. And I think teams are starting to evaluate that a little bit more. And yes, we remember, just as Greg put out there, what Mahomes does, what Josh does, all that, but the biggest plays they make are from the pocket. And I'm gonna just stop up right here with this last observation, and it's one I'm gonna continue to jump

up and down the table on quarterback. Pro days have turned into horse contests at cential? How many players can I show? How many times can I show you an off schedule, off platform throw that you all go, wow, how great was that? How About you hit your back foot and either the ball comes out of your hand or your back foot and hitch it to time up the route and then throw the football and make that throw time and time and time again. Drew Lock had

a fantastic Pro Day with the off platform throws. We haven't seen him consistently make the throw on three and five step drops he's supposed to make to make him a starting quarterback in the NFL. I think I think all the Pro days have got to stop doing that. Hey, you want to give me one of those? Cool? But we're getting a whole series to show you off platform. All right, that's fine, but the biggest thing is am I consistently making the throw on three, five step and

seventh step dropped up supposed to make? Yeah, when Zach Wilson had his pro day, uh, you know, obviously as a Jets guy, it went viral when he had like that office back foot flicked the side on fifty yard down the middle and and Jet fans saw that like, oh my god, look what this guy can do. Well, you don't want him doing that, Like like if he's if he's doing that a lot, it means whatever play that you drew up, it didn't work, and now he

has to correctly get an offensive coordinator. I think, show me what you look like when the play that I put on the whiteboard comes together the way it's supposed to, and then you can execute that, And to me, that's more valuable. I agree, and Greg and I've talked about this, Charles. I want to get your reaction as well before we wrap up this segment and maybe get to some teams

and some other positions. But even if the quarterbacks an anomaly this year dropped, this draft still shows it's still all about the quarterback, right like, look what teams did. Look at the trades teams made for big wide receivers. Look at the top twelve guys that came off the board. To start, you need to get to Jordan Davis before that was the first player in this draft that you can make an argument place a position that isn't about

the quarterback. Everybody else it was the guy who's gonna catch the ball from the quarterback, or the guy that's gonna cover the guy that you're gonna try to throw too, or the guy that's blocking for the quarterback, or right the top. It's all still about the quarterback, isn't it. At great point, it's how the quarterback plays and how you affect the quarterback. All three of us are old enough to know these coaches. We weren't around totally when

they weren't walked the sidelines, but they're the legends. Bear Bryant and Bumm Phillips repopularized it. The game is still about protect ours rush. There's it still comes back to that. It hasn't changed protect your quarterback. That's what you're talking about, Bob. All those offensive tackles came off the board, rushed the quarterback. How about all the all the edge rushers that came

off the border early. Exactly right about that. The game is still played there, So you're right, even if it wasn't quarterbacks, it was about making the quarterback either uncomfortable or are safe enough to throw it to those receivers that came off the board as well. I love that observation. That's Charles Davids, Sam Babo shoot, Hi, Gregg Cosell of course with me as well, and this is Tape Heeds

Draft season. Will step aside for just a moment and come back and attack some of the teams, some of the other big position groups that were headline makers in the NFL Draft in just a moment, Baba shoot, Greg Cosell and Charles Davis kind enough to spend some time with us this week wrapping up our coverage of Tape Heeds Draft Season and the two NFL Draft and you know, Charles would spent pretty much the entire first segment talking

not just about the quarterbacks, but philosophically how teams went after players that impact the quarterback. Let's get to some teams and you know you brought them up, so I will selfishly take the bait my Jets that seemed had

a pretty good draft, right. Everybody seemed to collectively across the board think that they got a lot of boxes checked that they were able to get not only three first round picks, but three players in the first round, including Jermaine Johnson at twenty six that many people had prognosticated to be top ten guys. Um. And then they did get some other weapons that seemed to be their philosophy.

Just keep getting weapons, um, you know, for for Zach Wilson or guys that can go cover together team's weapons. And now, of course with Sauce Gardner their first pick. So what was your overall take on their performance? I thought it was phenomenal And one of the points I tried to make on the on the broadcast, I'll know if it cut through didn't because let's face there's a lot of time plus ed mayor narrow, so you know there's a lot going on for our for our draft.

The people people were hopping on the Jets bandwagon for the draft, and Joe Douglas and GM, I thought, look did we forget last year? He already showed you he knows how to manipulate a board. Remember last year when you do it, when the Jeff took Zack Wilson at two, he came back and executed a trade with Minnesota to get it to get Elijah Vera Tucker to guard tackle from USC at fourteen. You don't just take the quarterback and make sure and leave him naked and in his eyes. Hey,

we had McKay Beckton from before. You're bringing Vera Tucker. You got a heck of a left side. And then you come back and get the runner of Michael Carter at four. You got Alijah More in the second round. I thought last year was a tremendous draft for the Jets. Now you come back this year and in the game

of can you top yourself? I would say Joe Douglas did because not only was he waiting to come back in to get Jermaine Johnson as he kept dropping, he did how about it a second round what he did to make sure he got Breece Hall, because I mean that was a big deal. Breece Hall was I think the consensus top runner on the board. And now you're gonna pair Breeze Hall in the second round this year, Michael Carter in the fourth round last year, Zach Wilson

has that you got Alijah More last year. You now you come back with uh with Garrett Wilson this year. You know, oh, by the way he signed the c j us Alma right, didn't signed Alert Conklin as well, and in in in free agency. And then you come making Jeremy Rucker from ohiose date he was a very underrated tight end and people go, well, you didn't catch a lot of balls, And I was like, well, then you don't watch ball because Ohio State was throwing too

Chris Alave, Garrett Wilson, uh Smith and Jagba. I mean, they were playing the perimeter game. You're not throwing it to the tight end because those guys are creating big plays. Jeremy Rutgers a Long Island kid coming home. He's ecstatic and his past catching potential is more vast than what people know. I thought it was a masterful draft by Joe Douglas and Bob If I could just jump in,

I I couldn't agree more. The Rutgert picked. To me, we all know about the first round picks and obviously Breeze Hall, but I watched a ton of Rutgers, I mean and Obviously he did not catch a lot of balls, but people might forget he was a big, big time recruit coming out of Long Island and he is a

really talented guy. Obviously he blocked a lot at Ohio State, but when you really dig into his tape and see the routes that he ran and the athleticism that he brings to the table, he's a three level dimension as a tight end, and I think he's one of those guys along with a zoom And now now you have two tight ends, so the Jets are in a position

that every offensive coach wants to be in. And keep in mind their offensive coordinator has that San Francisco background, so they can line up with two tight ends, they can line up with three wide I think this is a team now that presents a lot of options offensively, and it puts Zack Wilson ideally in a good position.

I like hearing all that, Charles any other teams. We were actually touching on the Eagles, Greg and I work before we came on the fact that they made a big deal for a primetime wide receiver and a j Brown and then drafted to Georgia between the tackles front seven defensive players as part of their top three picks, you know, in Nakobe Dean and Jordan Davis. I don't know if that is a team that fascinated your or

any others on your list. Well, let's stick with the Eagles since you brought him up, because yes, they did fascinate me. Howie Rosemand, the mojo was there, Okay, not that it has been. You know, I really feel like some of these gms and how he's kind of a lightning ride for people really zeroing in on what happened, what didn't happen to all this. I'll tell you this about Howie Roseman. What's he standing? Greg five, Diing five eight whatever? Right? But he but but Howie Rosemand play

seven feet tall guys in every draft. Howie Roseman gets after it. Okay, he has he has the gumption of the cat burglar. Okay, he's a second story guy because he has conviction on people and he will go and do what he has to do to try and get them. Once he got Jordan Davis getting a j Brown in the trade, that means he had to work out the contract along the way because he didn't want to say I'm gonna trade for him and then have to work out the contract, which cost you even more money down

the road if you hit it wrong. He worked out all the details and now he's got that tough guy. See I compare A. J. Brown in a way to Jarvis Landry because juice in your in your wide receiver room, A J. Brown is gonna be the same way. You got to play the game with some toughness as well. You can't just go run your route to do your stuff. You gotta do all the things, do the things possible to be a pro. A J. Brown is like that. He played through a lot of injuries last year and

played really tough. He made missed some games, but when he was out there, he was and he played strong. So let's get back to the draft, getting Jordan Davis and then, as you pointed out, Bob the Kobe Dean, the linebacker who many had as their top linebacker on the board, they get him in the third round because of an injury. Concerned that can't that emerged at the combine where he had a peck injury and decided not

to get surgery at the time. So people think he's gonna be behind in his rehab and will he be ready for the season. I'm willing to wait on Nakobe Dean because once he gets healthy, the way we're playing linebacker these days, they don't have to be huge. He's better than every linebacker they've got right now. So soon as he plugs into the lineup, they're often running. So

to me, that was masterful to get him there. And last year, you remember, they drafted Landon Dickerson out of Florida's state in Alabama, right he played in two schools. We thought he was the heir apparent at center for Jason Kelsey, and he played guard last year. What this draft pick of Cam Jurgens from Nebraska told me is that the Eagles and Jeff Stoutland, they're offensive line coach, have evaluated Landon Dickerson, think that he's really good at guard.

And now we've got our air apparent Camp Jurgens, a center Kelsey with another one year deal. Give Jurgens a chance to break in, You leave Dickerson and guard Jerkins takes over at center. I really like all the things they did, and I'm gonna leave it at this. Kyran john In the linebacker out of Kansas, they drafted an undersized pass rusher. They can use them as a DPR designated pass rusher until he gets really comfortable, gets a

little weight under him. But boy, he plays with great leverage that we thought the Senior Bowl he may not look the part, but he was getting underneath these big blockers and finding ways passed them and pass rush drills. You know. You know what I'm curious about with Nakobe Dean. The tape is very good. You know, you have to like the player. There's nothing not to like based on tape. I'd be curious if some teams thought because he's really close to the bottom end of the spectrum in terms

of height for teams that look at that. And you know, Charles, there are teams that do that. They have standards and they have parameters for every position. We know that. But the thing that stood out to me because Kirby Smart is one of the few coaches in college football where when you watch their defense you see true NFL pressure concepts,

and na Kobe Dean was an outstanding blitzer. And I'm curious if John and Gannon, the d C for the the Eagles, who last year I don't think could really do a lot of the things he wanted to do simply because he didn't have the personnel. I'm wondering if they see Dean in that role as he matures and develops and gets coached, because he was a really, really good blitzer. He's very good playing forward. I like that,

and and the good thing he had. And but I think what some people might have been concerned with Greg is what he had in front of him. You guys watched I mean, Bob, you do college football every week? How many times have you gotten that shot on TV that you you were not even talking about, but you notice it. Greg sees it in the same way where that shot is from behind the offensive huddle and the defensive line has broken the huddle and they're waiting for

you and you look up. How many times have we seen that with Georgia this year because it became a favorite shot because you look up in that imposing defensive line is standing their hands on hips. That defensive line allowed him to do so many things with Nakobe Dean, with Channing Tenda, with Quay Walker that because of the size with Nakobe Dean, I think people were wondering was he protected so well? Kenny hand fight through things if I can't protect him as well, that caused him concern

as well going forward. But I think Greg is spot on the Kobe Dean's just such a great player. I comped him to Jonathan Vilma because he plays the game with his brain as well. This is gonna be a guy that that you don't have any worries about running your defense through. And as soon as he gets healthy, I love that pick. And to get him in the third,

to me, that's like an extra first round pick. Bob. Yeah, well, Jonathan Vilma, I was had a hard time interviewing him because it kind of felt stupid while I was talking to him. Yeah, well I have that when I have that, Bob, when I have conversations with him, I'm like, Jonathan, can you can you translate what you just said to me? Hey? Um, we're always looking for diamonds in the rough. You did mock draft, so obviously you were someone that was looking

I mean literally all the way through this draft. So in this trap, will you know? And I think sometimes with the fans and media, we've spent so much time talking about the first round, yeah, that we almost feel like the draft is over on Thursday night. We're really the guts of your team are put together in rounds

two through seven. Yeah, so who were which teams do you think maybe did the best work based on your you know, player evaluations, where there were some guys in the second, third, and fourth round you were like, oh, wait a minute, now they got a guy that I just think it's a difference maker. Can I take Houston as a whole? Sure? Sure, Let's face it, it's really easy. It's been really easy to dump on Houston over the last few years, hadn't it. I mean it's been real easy,

Like that's not even been sport for us. Okay, they've looked like a total disarray. They look like, you know, are they even trying out there with that roster? What's going on? You know? You know, you you hire, you hire a coach last year, and and and and uh David McCulley, and then you you fired him in one year and he's worked his butt off and those guys play hard for him. So what exactly were you doing at that place? You know, they have the Deshaun Watson

circus going on. I gotta tell you something, whatever was said before Nick Cassario, in my mind, in this draft, they went at it with conviction. I used that word a lot. They decided to Derek Stingley, who I think was the most talented corner in this draft. But I understood why people out of my Gardener ahead of him, because Gardener had been more consistent the last two seasons. But Stingley at the top of his game, no question,

my my best corner in this draft. And when he came back healthy for his Pro Day, and if you put the time in and I assumed Houston did, to be convinced that this guy's ready to elevate again. That's why he went at three instead of a mod Gardener. Then you come back and you get Kenyan Green at thirteen, which I was joking with someone the Kenyan Green was probably at the bowling alley or somewhere else because he

didn't expect to hear his name at thirteen. He didn't think he even starting to hear name until the mid twenties and then beyond. But at thirteen he provides I think the most physical offensive guard in this draft. So now you provided a second starter right away. Then you go to Jaln Petrie. My favorite safety in the draft. My favorite player was Kyle Hamilton and Notre Dame. So I'm not changing that, but people have heard me throughout

this process. I've had a major man crush on Jaln Petrie because instincts are huge in the secondary and Tyrone Matthews the patron saying of instincts, we know that, But since then I've said, Elijah Molden from who went to the Titans last year, reminded me Antoine Winfield when he came out of Minnesota before he went to the Bucks. Reminded me Jalen Petrie is this year's example to me of that guy. Now you talking about those guys, Bob who we got in the third, fourth, fifth, how about

getting Christian Harrison, linebacker from Alabama. And the third Damian Pierce are running back from Florida who is a thumper yet catches the ball well out of the backfield. The oddity he's going to be that his first one yard rushing game will happen in the NFL. He never had it in college because they've moved the ball around so much and they didn't stick with the run as much of Florida. And then Thomas Booker, the de tackle from Stanford.

It can be a great zero technique and run stopper, tea Qua Torriano the tight end from Morgan State, more blocker than catcher, Austin Deculus for tackle from Louisiana State. I think great value through there because they will compete. But Derek Stingley one, Kenyan Green one, Jalen Petrie to John Netchi the receiver from Alabama too when he gets healthy, Christian Harris free from Alabama. All of them will start as soon as they are ready to go meeting health wise,

They're immediate starters. And I think Damian Pierce, he immediately takes some carries from Rex burke Head. I thought it was about his professional a draft as Houston has had in a while. Now, you know, just a real quick point, and I love your thought, and it's probably a longer conversation. But Jalen Petrie is fascinating to me because he obviously is you know, Charles, he played what they call the start position, so he played slot corner, box safety and

outside linebacker. Okay, and obviously when you watch his tape in college, he was all over the place. He made a lot of plays. But I kept trying to think, what is he going to be in the NFL because and I'm just being honest, and again, this is what I try to do. I think about projection and transition

because they played a ton of zone at UH in college. Now, of course Lovely Smith does too, and I know a lot of people said he's a slot corner, but he didn't really play much man coverage, So to me, that would have been a projection if you see him as a slot corner and then there's a true safety. I was thinking to myself, is he really truly athletic enough to be that guy in a love E. Smith system?

He could be. I'm not sure. And then I can keep coming back to the argument that, well, the guy's made plays in college, He's just gonna keep making plays. And I would just love quick thought from you, because I I think he's a really good player on tape. I just was uncertain in my mind as to what his projection would be in the NFL. Yeah, I think you're.

I think you're. It's a great question, Greg, because I think you have to convince yourself of different things when you when you go back and look at his measurables and then go back and watch him run move all those things. Because he started there as a pure outside linebacker.

So that's this kind of a move was almost like uh Carnel Lake coming out of U. C l A. Remember, he was like a pure outside back through c l A. He was under size, but because he was so athletic, the Steelers made him a safety, and boy did they hit on that one. Petrie started as an outside back or Baylor, but as you pointed out, played that star position, so he had to have the traits of everything. It's

kind of like an astrology. If you're born within three days of either side of the dates on your thing, you get the characteristics of both signs. Well, that's kind of what Petrie was. He was in the cuff outside linebacker here, safety here, linebacker, you know, and that dime linebacker here. What I think he is is where the game has moved to as well, that Buffalo safety deal, Greg, where you have three Yeah, you mean the nickel right.

He's more the big nickel guy as opposed to the nickel corner, as you pointed out, because the nickel corner wasn't much of what he was really locked in doing. No, he didn't play a lot of man, didn't play a lot of man, But I will say this. He moves and he's fluid, and he ran way better than what people thought. I think he can do all the characteristics

of everything else. I'm betting on his instincts about the football to be that type of a player, and I think, to love you to find find plenty of ways to do that. That's what I'm counting on. So I think it's a great question, and it is a little bit of a projection. And Bob, I think that takes me to why Trent Baky went number one with Trayvon Walker, because there is a bit of a project ship. There is a thing that Treyvon Walker is going to be a great pass rusher because you don't go draft a

guy at one for six sacks a year. You draft a guy at one for double digit sacks a year. And Trayvon Walker never did that at Georgia. Adan Hutchinson did that in Michigan. That's why people are like, WHOA, what's going on here? The projection for them is the athleticism, the scheme he played at Georgia where he took up double teams where they didn't put him out there is

a wide nine. All those things. They think that all that can emerge and they see that upside as being big and that's what Trent Baky put his name on the line for. Well, Charles, I can't tell you how much we appreciate the time you've given us all this information. I mean, we could go team by teams for this entire drafted you with. The problem is, by the time we got done with all the information you and Greg have, you'd be in the booth calling your first team of

the season. Hey hey, we don't, we don't. We'd all be right there at kickoff, wouldn't we. But hopefully we can do this again with you at some point down the road. We love talking ball with you. Thanks a million, Thanks a million, thanks for having time to give me this time with you guys. It is flat out terrific and you know I love picking your brains as well. Look forward to seeing you again soon. Bob's same with you, Greg. Thanks, Charles,

really appreciate it. Thanks a lot of guys, You're the best. Thanks Charles. That is Charles Davis, so much information. And we're back tomorrow with another and I guess our final episode of Tape Heads Draft season to wrap up our coverage and our look back at the two NFL trapt Boble Shoosing a great post, Cell, Thanks for being a tape pend